[SPEAKER_02]: me 17 years old, I'm like 17 years old, 17 years old, I was a community college, you know, and so you did most of this thought a degree correct?
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you're like 16, you just like, oh, Simon security, like, did you find that interesting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always had like a passion for tech ever since like to say straight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't until like my summer of my senior year high school where I actually got introduced in cyber security than just I don't know something just click like the fact that it's Always changing it's always evolving that something that was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the the money is there too But just being able to help people which is one of the deez that I've up to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why I just fell in love with cyber security I have so much A bashful though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm actually currently getting one but I didn't get a degree for both to take jobs
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome everybody to another edition of the Tech woke podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Chris, an information system security officer inside the Govtech space.
[SPEAKER_02]: And today's podcast is a took a year to make this happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be interviewing a young brother that took a different way to get into tech.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did it at a young age.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is inspired a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you didn't have to do it the traditional way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't have to go to the NBA rapper or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: The young man tapped in at a young age to get into cyber security.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been a speaker, speaks at Guabtech on it, various conferences.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing various podcasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: He works in an instant response kind of lane with Splunk and all these instant response too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But without further ado, Dominique, I'd like to know how you doing, or I'm doing a great better thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for having me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so again, it was it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me and you over a long period of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I met you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that kind of last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I met you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that kind of last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We was able to build a relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you build a relationship off a TikTok just saying, hey, that's that you're actually a real person.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just seeing your real.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm just actually using some questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, so like,
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you get in the tech when you get in the tech when you told me 17 years old, I was like 17 years old, 17 years old, I was a community college, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you did most of this thought would be great, correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir, without.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, pretty hard greener.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm actually currently getting one, but I didn't get a degree for both the tech jobs I had worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we don't dive into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So tell me about your early journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who mentored you to kind of get you in the space and why do you think they mentored your journey out here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the person that mentored me I was able to meet him through my dad and he pretty much just gave told me about what cyber security was because I feel like before that We just think from the movies is just someone behind a computer hacking or just in a black hoodie
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he just showed me the ropes, he told me what's up security was, the different types of niches, and then also what you can, you know, use it as if you actually take his serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what kind of hooked me and got me into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the reason why he wanted to mentor me because I think he saw that I was very disciplined and committed and, you know, I'm someone that's always trying to like get better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I call it like a, you know, like a joke in that tab of the sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that he just saw that that drive in that passion that that he had at that age.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's probably why he decided to play drawing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I love that, so for you at a young age, you're hearing about this, and how did you take it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you're like 16, you just like, oh, cyber security, like, did you find it interesting or?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always had like a passion for tech ever since like to say straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to make little websites with like my ad and do little coding projects here and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I did a video production editing in high school, but it wasn't until like my summer of my senior year at high school, where I actually got introduced in cyber security and just.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know something just click, like the fact that it's always changing, it's always evolving, that's something that was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the money is there too, but just being able to help people, which is one of the deez that I've up to do, I think that's why I just fell in love with cyber security and I have so much of a passion for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so like break this down to the audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: As he's minced on you, like with specifically easy teaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he had an internship program.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was called, it's called, it's now called, it's like authority, but back there used to be called the cyber ex elite, and pretty much, it was like a more defensive size, cybersecurity, internships, so specialized, cybersecurity, intelligence, would do weekly means, and we're going through reports.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's given us access to professionals within the industry and we're also working on our resumes and interview skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are some of the things that he was teaching us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I know he'd find imitation to the security, but sir, was it, was it, did he a dip in the issue to settle it also?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just told me he told me about, you know, different serves, but I didn't get the security plus so about maybe a year into my first IT role.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he definitely mission those.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you just want to make sure you had a fundamental understanding on what things we're going on in the sea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, Randy reports, you know, holding on to a website cybercrime magazine, beeping computer, understanding like the threat landscape and how to, you know, understand what these attacks are doing, different frameworks like cyber kill chain, matter attack, no type of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we definitely, you know, help me build those fundamentals and
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm great before because I still use all those things to visit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You feel like, like, you win learning at the fundamental level, does it help you like in your career like researching and understanding those things?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, for sure, whether it's like ports, whether it's even on me having to do some google search, I feel like it's definitely helped me in my role as well, especially when I'm writing because I do a lot of tickets being in the soft.
[SPEAKER_01]: and because I did so many reports when I started, I just been able to take that mindset and those techniques that I did and be able to apply it to my tickets and, you know, my bosses, they love the tickets that I do and they always say that they're very thorough, so it's definitely helped me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we, okay, so you did that, you got your shirt like a year later, rose your purse, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seek your pockets.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, men to approach everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you explain why security presses by the best basic service you should get?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's just a great foundational cert because it goes over all the things within cybersecurity from a little bit of the offensive side, different access controls, different types of malware, and all that things you need to know to have a basic fundamental understanding from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, obviously, it's very big in the government tech space.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's one of your main social media have to be DOD8570 or 8140 compliant, so it's definitely a good cert time.
[SPEAKER_02]: okay so you get your side if you get your security plus right when you when you got your security plus uh what what did you do after did you continue murdering the sales or did you get your car's job?
[SPEAKER_01]: yes so once I got the security plus I was already in LTS.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I continue to, you know, balance my health that's with my internship.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then from there, since I already knew the fundamentals, it was now time to just actually start learning the necessary tools that I know I'll be using for the job that I wanted, which was a sock handle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why I started taking courses on Splunk, a little bit of the cloud and Azure, and just really understanding these tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then when I can see these interviews, I can then speak to them and say, hey, I'm at least doing as much as I can to learn.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for a sock analyst role, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's an instant response role, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you kind of break down like, what does sock mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is, what is instant response?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you break that down a little bit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so sock stands for Security Operations Center.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to think that we like the first time a defense we're doing 24 set of monetary of the network.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my premium was just making sure the different events and actions that are hacky, grew up keeping you at the network are supposed to be happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we're looking through different tools
[SPEAKER_01]: on a cloud at AWS or Azure, and we're just making sure that the network is where it needs to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if there's any issues in, you know, we'll do our analysis, write it up, and then send it to the proper team, and then the incident response scene will then be the people that actually respond to that various incident, whether it's maybe somebody click them and fishing, or malware got infiltrated into the network.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's then instead of responding to be able to take those access controls in that incident response plan and be able to result those issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so, so you're, okay, it's a, it's a, it's a soccer of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like a role that's like a night or is in the daytime?
[SPEAKER_01]: It varies of, at my job, who personally, there's rotating shifts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do four tins, so 40 a.m., we let you two now chasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I chose the morning shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's five a.m., but BPM where I'm at, I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a morning person and I feel like it still allows me to, you know, be productive and I don't mind the hours, especially since I could actually off day during the week.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, what is the final answer to the incident?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was listening to some people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could see anything come through, but is rare that you even have incidents in the job?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that true or do you go through that a long?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of that activity is like benign, but you know, there are going to be incidents in the case where somebody may be running a PowerShell script or
[SPEAKER_01]: they may be a penetration test going on and we see them doing activity with specific hacking tools so though in those times that's where you know those incidents do come up but they do come up not often but you know if they do will be able to you know try to meditate it as best as we can and send it to the property and oh okay so so how do people hack a system like they're trying to hack into your your employees network like what are some
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, definitely like different PowerShell scripts or, you know, you see them trying to connect to different ports like SSH and or mode in in and different things like that or it can just be Something as simple as maybe a person that's part of an admin group is adding will school uses that you never see before in the network or
[SPEAKER_01]: some guest user that added my somebody in that guest user as it been, you know, verified or even just something as simple as maybe a server is connecting to malicious IP address and you have to, you know, be able to figure out that IP address of actually malicious or not or those actions or, you know, malicious in essence.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is wailing or spear fishing, is that a, is that a, is that or fishing, is that a common thing in space?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's definitely a common thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe like 90% of the tax are fishing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe they don't call me on that, but yeah, fishing is definitely a case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always see it when I'm working in the cloud because I work for an SSP.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we provide security services for other companies so I get to be in different environments and an Azure Owl, we see like all of this eat this person.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see the email, it's been blocked because due to fishing on whatever it is, but it's definitely true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen too much of a whaling, you know, they do try to impersonate the CEO sometimes and like I'll see it in my mailbox and I'm like I know you're not going to pitch me out of randomness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's definitely there for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not another headache is a sock is a world that I keep hearing, like what, what, where are the requirements to do sock?
[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of touched on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you got to know some red hat, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to know some like what, what tools you got to know to be in a sock?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say the biggest tools you need to learn are one, a sim, so security information, event management.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty much a tool that's going to look at the different events that are happening on your network.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anything from you, click it on a link.
[SPEAKER_01]: You send in the email messages to some bodies, looking at those things, EDR, which is important detection and response.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a tool that's going to be able to detect and respond to any like malicious activity on and individual endpoint,
[SPEAKER_01]: printer, a phone, a computer, I know, uh, specific ones are like crowd strike, sent into the one carbon black, and then I know for send it's like splunk, uh, last sake, uh, data dog and a few others, and then I always say like a good technique system, whether that's like serves now, zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's like a new AI at one called torque, T or it's a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, T.O.R.Q.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, definitely with that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are probably some of the main tools that I use.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you then have like your O sent tools, like virus total and that to be able to search up the findings that you're getting within that ticket.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you mean by, tell you what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you talking about sometimes the incident somebody sends you a ticket?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're, hey, you might want to look into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So keep her get out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it pretty much just like alerts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at my job, we use a ticket system called Jira and pretty much depending on the specific client that alert may get put into Jira and then from there within doing our analysis, which is individually the ticket and we're pretty much explaining what we saw what happened and then you know, given them our findings.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of how it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it sounds like a kind of unique role.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you do, what do you do to also prepare for yourself to do the job?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're everything that you learn on the go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you don't want to learn it to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a lad at home?
[SPEAKER_01]: Will you learn it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, the main tools that I usually like splunk in a last six, so I try to have home last for those and just practice a lot of like my querying and searching because I found that, you know, being in the sock, you're not going to know everything, but the biggest thing when you are collecting your fines is time, so being able to like narrow your searches down and get better at doing that, so then you're not wasting as many resources in time while you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, say somebody's trying to get into the sock roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the, I know you know, and you, you had your family who was out of a diet for a while, and you got a job.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they need you do, what did you do to get it to off again, or how did you get back in everyone?
[SPEAKER_02]: And how would you tell other people to kind of get a roll in the sock roll?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for me, I think the best thing to help me lay my role was build with my personal brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I have the fundamentals and I took the time to get the search and knowledge book.
[SPEAKER_01]: My personal brand is really what allowed me to get in front of these different recruiters because I like to say your resume only says so much so if you can build your own personal brand, just tell your own story, I can maybe make you stand out from other candidates per se.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what's allowed me to get to a world that I'm at and I would say for those
[SPEAKER_01]: get a role in the sock differently, mash of the fundamentals, so networking that's going to come up a lot, you know, understanding how devices communicate to each other, different types of IP addresses and, you know, their their classes, you know, public IP versus private, you know, switches, stuff like that, courts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, understanding the networking aspect that would be because you'll be able to see that when you're looking at the different logs and whatever environment that it is that you're in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I would say the biggest thing
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's cool to understand the fundamentals and know what a sock is and know let's talk to think what you'd have to get hands on and show these employers that A, I know what it is that I'm talking about for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would do, you know, lab from Spluck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would go on you to me and just go do these different courses and really take my time and try to master each element when it came to the specific tools that I was working on.
[SPEAKER_02]: understood.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would tell somebody also to get like a BMware and kind of just laugh it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But last would be expensive, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a something that would be a thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I know expensive hobby people got now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and some of it is, but I think there's other free platforms that you could use that are affordable, track me as one, and then another one called that's Defenda.io.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one's like, is that a private track me, but it's more geared towards the defensive size so you can be the stock handle that you could be the instant response and they give you kind of your own environment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't have to then necessarily buy the necessary resources for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's definitely affordable options out there and then you're to me they have this counts as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you just gotta be, you know, a hawk with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, so when it comes to building a person bread, I've been telling people that a lot, um, like for me, I build my personal friend over the last two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like you, what I go to these conferences a lot of employers told me, you know, people kind of want to talk and understand, like, wait, I know an insider.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, they reach out to you all neat then, at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll keep telling him if you kind of dive inside the porn today, like when you got your, you know, when you got your new job, or they somebody was just saw on you on like TikTok or like LinkedIn, there's like, you didn't bring, they don't know you got to be following like 10, that we got to 10,000 on anything else, 16 winning, or you just know you're just subtly 16 times if you 16, I roll world, yeah, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could, I could attest to every role that I've gotten has been because of LinkedIn, literally, the jall that I'm at now, he, the recruiter reached out to me and said, hey, I think you'd be a good fit because I've seen her post and I see the consistent work that, you know, you put it in, but like I said before, your personal experience definitely important and what makes tech so cool is that like everybody's journey is different.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's you need to use, what's you need to you and I feel like if you're able to touch on those things and you know, be positive and just be
[SPEAKER_01]: yourself it, you know, can open up so we need to do a treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it can.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you just got to, that's the marker we're going in.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't build your personal brand, you won't get a little job going for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, can you talk about like being a young guy inside your field?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like, how does that experience like?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, are you working with older people, younger people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Older.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been the youngest on all the teams that I've been on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at the beginning it was a little bit of imposter syndrome because I'm thinking like, hey, why am I not at the trouble with that they're at or why am I not here?
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, my dad always tells me, don't compare your 20 to somebody else's 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that senior analyst started as an intern.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's just levels to it and you just have to continue to work and continue to put in the time and you'll be able to get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I've endured my time being in the industry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really seen too many like gatekeepers in my own.
[SPEAKER_01]: network and kind of have positive interactions with all the teams that I've met part of.
[SPEAKER_02]: You feel like a lot of people just gravitate to you because they just want to help you or push you to the next level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a little bit of that and then I think it's just because I just try to be my own self.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't try to front.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't try to do things that I know that I'm not doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just try to be relatable and positive and I try stay away from the negativity and I feel like because I'm very driven and consistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: They see the and they respect it and they just want to be able to gravitate towards it because they see that I'm doing something positive, not just for myself, but for others.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like you with me, I see you and I just talk to you and I'm just like, whatever you need, I have a literary do anything to help me because I see you, you, you, you killing it, you put it in the work, you know, be such a young person.
[SPEAKER_02]: In, in need of people be like, Gen Z, this or Gen Z that I'm like, Gen Z, Gen Z is the most creative.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, Gen Z is the most creative.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know social media, yeah, yeah, in touch of conversations, how you feel, how would you don't like, yeah, and in nine times in ten,
[SPEAKER_02]: I love your generation just because of that and you know, that's a good thing for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they forget that like there's certain Gen Zs that are like older Gen Zs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 2004 so like I've been around you know the millennials in Gen X isn't just always growing up around older people so because of that I've always had to just you know sit back you know be quiet and just observe and that's kind of how that's chippled down into of you know my career and how I interact with people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you remember about a people or see that go-to-con today, and you literally just moving in, you know, everybody literally, you know, Simone, you know, Ace, but no.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just walking around, but I was buying the scenes, like, you've added a CEO of that, but you do done the work to be in that position.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel what appears if he ever comes to you and you're like, I want to do what you're doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you navigate that?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because I think I'm around so many older people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get a chance to be around people more towards my age, but when I do get a chance to be around them, I feel great, I feel heartfelt, and I just want to be able to try to help them as much as I can, and I feel like because if they know that I'm not young age, I'm relatable, but then I'm also coming at them real, then I feel that they're able to gravitate towards that, and they want to be helped and want to be mentored,
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, that pair of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So back to the sock world.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is like kind of like the level up in that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this like you just be socked or socked too, or like how do you love the web as a sock and nose?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's different levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's sock 1, level 1, and level 2, level 3, and then I believe it's like a senior sock and then like a sock, you know, manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the various levels depend on like what's had to take it or alert you may get, and you may just get more of the work load or just even projects depending on what that does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I luckily, you know, the boss that I have, he's very like, I get the asking questions and talk to him all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of tells him what he, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: His day when it comes to managing everybody on the team, but yeah, it's kind of the old.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the levels and then it just depends on the company that you're at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Dominic, I know you're navigating the space currently.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you did the sock analyst and I know you're a level and up But what is some help you can give to people that's trying to get in there trying to get in your shoes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you tell them to get into cyber security?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, first I will say figure out like you're why the reason why you want to get in the same security like some people do it because they love it some people do it and freaking for the money and you know that's okay, but if you are doing it for the money you may not be fulfilled towards the end when you are, you know, in those happy and jobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you figure out why you want to get into this space and then I could say one tip or another one would be
[SPEAKER_01]: Find a mentor as early as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to test this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be mature that I've has, you know, given me confidence, has, you know, helped me grow and has helped me, you know, it's still belief in me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you find a right mentor, they can do the same for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to finding these mentors, I definitely say there's two things that you need a little for.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, make sure they hold you accountable, and you know they're getting on you and making sure you don't slack, even two, make sure that the person that you're trying, that you're trying to get a mid that you're trying to get to be your mentor, has been an issue that you're trying to, you know, get into a call to the place that you're,
[SPEAKER_01]: trying to go, right, for example, you know, like Kobe Bryant wanted to be the best, you know, basketball player in the NBA, he's not going to go learn from the janitor, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying no disrespect to the janitor, you know, I'm not saying he can't learn anything, maybe he can't, you never know, but you want to surround yourself with, you know, people that are in the shoes you're trying to get into and that's why he had the mentors, he did like build a soul, Jerry West, you know, my veteran and those type of people, and you know, I feel like you're able to look for the right one and you can definitely help change your trajectory and then
[SPEAKER_01]: Lastly, just to leave another point on how to find these mentors because I know it could be a little bit difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: My best bet has been on LinkedIn and then also just networking at conferences and I always say, do what others aren't willing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They may be mean, go, I mean, listen, message just to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They may mean offering your services to them and it isn't necessary being like giving them money, but like if they meet, you know, cotton down or if they need some support and some type of way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all of that to them because you need to be mindful of the time because they're taking time out their day to help you or if you're at a conference just take how we work or take on, you know, speak up after a panel or ask a question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember just a quick story when I found one of my first mentors I'm going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: a city of a little small event in my city called Cody in the hood, and it was a bunch of panellists.
[SPEAKER_01]: My garden took me, shout out pops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was a little scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on 17 at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had the panellist done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just went up and just say, Hey, would anybody want to be my mentor?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very driven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Passionate and one of the men on the panel is named as Jeff Ivory, Shao Jeff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He offered his mentorship to me and you know I still speak to him to this day, but it's things like that that you have to do and get outside that cumbersome findage mentor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's about not one piece of advice is find a mentor as a raise you can
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, you don't live there and I get like hundreds of people literally, hey, mentor me, hey, dude is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest with you, I don't mind helping nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would in the beginning, I just used to mentor every little person I can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: My only issue is to say, they want this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just stacks on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the people I'm generally interested in mentoring is that people that have already done the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that how you feel too?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or done somewhere, or you just wanted to just go into helping everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to help those people as a kid, but I at least want them to have a plan and not come to me with just nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So having to understand, hey, I want to get into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm currently taking this course and trying to get this certification, just show me something that let's me know that, like, okay, you're actively working towards getting better and actually landing that I rolled it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you go like picking your role is probably the best thing you should do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like picking your role before you begin this opera?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of the best things you can do because I'm security so diverse, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Red Tune, Blue Tune, Purple Tune, you know, you got Generes C, all these stains.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I understand that the first choice you may choose may not be the last, but she should at least understand what, uh, specialty that you want to actually, like dive into.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's definitely important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I would say that for me is like, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: My friend just told me, it's so, it's, I was like, let me go do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got a job in two miles versus a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and the same thing with you, like you said, I teach is like, I would just do it to tell this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, and ran out, right, or.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I wouldn't, I think, like, everybody would be a pintester.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to miss me, did you get to that level?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't know, like, like, holy, so like, I knew that was it kind of, you know, workout, but I always heard, like, like, help this was a good entry point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people have done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it gets a bad rap sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, people tried to, like, look over it, or like, sunny innocence.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did to help this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then over time, just,
[SPEAKER_01]: doing research.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just fell in love with just the defensive side of side of the security and being able to stop those things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you are someone that is looking for your niche, I definitely recommend just watching day and divide videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know reaching out to people on weekends.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you want to be a pintester, go reach out to somebody that is a penetration test or trying to do the relationship with them and just ask them, okay, what is your day-to-day look like?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're more likely to respond because you're not some
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that bro, so yeah, this is some good advice and then also too like when that word mean Where's the best place to never again personal brain is big, but you have a network of actual people Like even me under this podcast, I came to gun tech uh, and I've seen all these actual people and it's like it kind of it's it makes me Arpert too, so is it best to do it only thing or best to go in person and how would you find these networking average?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's like layers to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at first, I'll just start just only thing and just connecting with people because in the beginning, you're building your profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to make sure that it's optimized.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, just connecting with people you don't often necessarily in the beginning, like send them messages.
[SPEAKER_01]: But over time, start to build your connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then start doing your posts and reaching out to other people and commenting on other people's pages, reaching out to recruit or so you're going to actually build that combatering with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then from there what you gain a little bit of experience once you gain a little bit more confidence, then you can start going to the different conferences always recommends start small there's going to be you know your vocal tech events and mission like an ambassador someplace where there's not really anything there's going to be something related to technology that you can go to which is start to you know mean going that worth a little bit and then.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you get more experience, and again, when you get more confidence, then you start going out to these bigger platforms, and these bigger conferences, like, you know, your go-to-cons, or your affluent text, test-gating fees, you know, of that nature.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I actually think it makes it not a sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just start small.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because a lot of people just go to a gun tech con or an acro tech shop to go take on, or you go to these conference and you're thinking, oh, I'm a life's about to be changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to kind of do a little bit of work before you even get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just even know some of the speakers, like, hey, you know, just build a relationship with the speaker before you even get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just on a panel with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a panel today, I was listening to,
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was talking about, uh, just, you know, just talking, this one that you said, it's my portion of the B&M tour, and then the guy end up getting a job they're all on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I give what you're coming on half that portion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just compared, you know, come to your research.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really expect maybe you had no experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a little conference and get a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, this is not where the environment is nowadays, but you definitely have to put in some type of work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at least just show people that eighth, I'm willing to be driven and put this working to get better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that definitely is what's happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in conferences, this is a best thing to yourself to just to kind of put you in your bones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a while, it's like, even me being a text face, seeing y'all is normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, to the point where it's like, I'm seeing y'all so many advances like it's normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: But oh, this wasn't it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't anything I found to see the new creators coming out, you know, and I'm by man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get up out of here soon, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, just seeing on that, this is very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think with Gen Z people talk about Gen Z a lot too?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Gen Z are the people that still want to work or from European, from just my doing, dealing with different people, do you think they want to work or do they think they want to kind of create more innovation cyber security for any.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a little bit of both, I think sometimes social media gives cyber security like a bad rap or they think like, oh, I could just, you know, make all this money right away where they see the car, you see the jewelry and they think, oh, substitutes just like this and then when they get in there, it's like, it's a whole other ball game, but there are the people that are doing better engines that do want to be innovative and creative and, you know, coming up with these necessary AI tools are just coming up with different like groups to help other people, so I definitely think it's like a mixture of both.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think I think I'm more on the creative side of that love devil with a younger peek when Derek Jack is I'm not a lot from never shout to Leslie I'm not so much from Leslie this this is a young brother to let's see Maribah He just he just gives me a lot of information.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always said there and he just be like sending me all this stuff so I do like which I do on innovation so
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, this is y'all's face and it probably the next five to 10 years and how does it feel for you you even the state five years out for just 20 to eight six to 21 four years so about the next four or five years you're going to Base of you master like birdie.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that is a you're haven't
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think about it for a time or time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't wait to get to that age, but I'm just someone that just loves the process of getting better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really get fixated on like the end goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just love, you know, working hard at being able to just learn different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's definitely gonna be so I'm gonna see when I get to that age.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, what do you wanna do more for?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's your main goals?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to be honest, my main goals is I'm 21 years old right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to become financially free by 25 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, my main goal and be able to also help as many, you know, people as I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to say this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to, you know, my goal, my main goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another one is, you know, try it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: These help at 5,000 kids, really becoming youngest and charged for their families and said their family is all for success to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a, and what is the issue?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a guard family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, I just want to become the best version of myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be able to look at, you know, when I retired, you know, I'm not working anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say that I gave it all, you know, that I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll say the said that thing is just, you know, from my family, I want to be able to give them a different life that day.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, didn't get a dress or experience, you know, my family's been impacted by the world drugs as well as in carcer racist system, you know, you might dial them to prison and on with some of my uncles and aunts and things in that nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to be able to give them the life that they had because they came from program homes and, you know, they had to refuse to grow earlier in their life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to be able to take care of them as, you know, much as they came because they poured so much into me and you know, I just want to be a big get back to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually bought him a little guy in the tears, man, because it's like the thing about being in this space, a lot of people just talk about the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course you can get the money and be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't got that vibe that you try to get the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just want to use it to help other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people don't say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people like I want to go on a yacht.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, I'm doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love that how you broke that down and help everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, because even me, you know, the main reason I started this podcast was,
[SPEAKER_02]: to help people, like even going to Nutacombs, I'm seeing that we overall have reached out to people in Nebraska, LA, or just random places.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: All this is crazy what a camera can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And speaking, your journey is crazy on how that can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything you want to lead for somebody and is trying to get into cybersecurity?
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody, young, old, anything in different queue?
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell, we'll be right with you again, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say the biggest piece of advice I would give to somebody that is trying to getting this cybersecurity is, you know, like I made sure for a final mentor, but I think, you know, figure out what you want your legacy will be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, you know, something that doesn't get talked about enough, you know, what do you want to be, you know, remember for, and for me, I want to be known as that person that made the right sacrifices really long, but then also put others and his family and, you know, positions to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so this is what I use to ask you, but they're coming to podcasts on people that's familiar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always going to ask you, so what is your goal for the next five years?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is your, what do you want to do next virus?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest, I don't want to try this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't copy anything, but like out in the next five years, I see myself like, you know, work with a mole on like the island somewhere, whether that would be like about bees or follow you or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I don't know what work I'll be doing, whether that's like, you know, government take, big take or whatever that may be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, one thing's for sure, I will be work of remote and times of curing, you know, I will be, you know, financially free.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't mind, I would love to share that plan and also, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so as far as that, you know, that plane goes it definitely works if you, you know, aren't making six figures.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll just take a little bit longer, but, you know, first thing you would need to do is obviously get your six for your tech role and other average salary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for our cyber security job is about by 132,000 give or take depending on the city.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also there's, you know, different roles where you ever see your level in mid level entry level type of role.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it kind of varies depending on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That lets you know that at some point, meaning is hard security, you will make these triggers, so make sure you hit the necessary tonning, your hands on your spirits, the right certs, and now we're up to right way, and you'll have that roll on and from there, I would, I would, you would work at what we're going to do is take the 100k and cut it in half, and pretty much take that 50k.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you know invested.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to sit here to tell you how to invest the stock bargatory they just invested in blue chip stocks or companies that you know are going to be around for the next 20 to 30 years so it's going to take some research to do whether that's like your Nvidia's or Apple's, you know your Amazon's and you know let's do the math 50 you know times five over the next five years that's 250,000 and your money's both are they going to double or triple
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just your investment money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not, you know, your actual six figure job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna get more experience, you're gonna get more search, you're gonna, you know, put more time in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means you're gonna get, you're probably gonna double your salary when it comes to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, after hearing that, you don't think that's financial freedom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, you know, I think that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that other FEDK, that's what you're just gonna live off of.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whether that she, you know, your rent, you're due to these, everything's like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not only sit here and, you know, care people say, oh, that's not possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't live off FEDK, yes you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did it before, but you were making less, you know, I'd personally, you know, no grown men that are taking care of kids right now that may less than 50K, you know, it's doable and, you know, this plan that I mentioned is simple, but it takes ultimate discipline, ultimate sacrifice and you have to be willing to, you know, live beneath your means.
[SPEAKER_01]: for the time being.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they may mean moving back in which your parents go getting a moon may or even getting the least expensive apartment as you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're willing to, you know, be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to, you know, put your family, it places to win and you really want to become the youngest in charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to live a new for me to be willing to make those sacrifices.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm gonna get there and that's how you came to and I'm gonna people to hold me accountable because I'm at $20 non-out financially free yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to, you know, let me hear about it, but that's the plan for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you you you picked the right person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely going to have to die here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you still say that by I you pick a wrong person, but that's a great goal I think you a accomplishment you have the discipline you're around the right people to double that and like you said Getting a six-figure job.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was done on 40k at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really pretty good to be honest with you to more money than what you spend
[SPEAKER_02]: I just need one year to say somebody to buy a house and pay all these still knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll sleep in a basement.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can treat you to the house the best way I can't fix enough stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just need one year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I'm really comfortable in that at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I respect that, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You won't do what you're going to do, and if you say it, and the weather like I said, you proclaimed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'm speaking to leave it.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So can you also tell key lead to audience for one quote?
[SPEAKER_02]: One quote you want to lead to audience way, it could be a quote statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it something that you want to lead to audience with to grow one more time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't have any of my phone because I don't want to let put you the quote because I haven't heard it in the long time, but it's a quote by Muhammad Ali and it's served at the service to others is to rent you paid for your room here on earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think just, you know, having that,
[SPEAKER_01]: green heart to get back to others is what's going to help the world move forward and leave it in a better place because at the end of the day the man goes to you know, the things that we have better than we thought it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I agree with your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even, you know, all the service we were doing, given this not as back inside of the security.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beyond us with you, that's what the main thing I case me to keep going with the pie case and going through life is because I know the end of the day, as long as I keep doing what God wants me to do, I'm always going to be blessed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The more people I help, knowingly and unknowingly, that's the whole purpose that is, and I continue to do this, as long as possible, just off of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you got to keep
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's definitely the play for short.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Dominique, I appreciate you coming on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is really happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for allowing me to share my story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was one for popcorn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can always come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's how you wanna come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a story.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can always come on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do a once a year thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see you over the years and how you grow and be getting your financial plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, thank you again.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then before we go, I did have like a little bit for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you guys, I got a deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man prepared today.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you have any good?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little so I'm sure but a little, you know, some acid beans kind of I'm gonna wear it You take out Don's merch.
[SPEAKER_02]: What can you find this merch?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a prototype now, but I'm just giving it out as samples at the conference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay Well, you guys get a website man, and something you go buy a support you now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's in the words for sure
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're working on all you find here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm on all platforms.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for LinkedIn, it's Dominica, the Gritty, DOM, INIC, AL, EG, RET, and then on Instagram and TikTok, I go by Dom, the Cyber Genius, so DOM, though, and then no Cyber Genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of what I'm at.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I also put out a once-a-muff newsletter, while I just give people,
[SPEAKER_01]: access to, you know, my journey and I'm off by my update on what I'm doing and then also cyber security tips and have a lot of sits and just ways that I'm, you know, trying to be successful and level myself up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what you do for me.
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