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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to section three, three, six.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am your and dearly sitting host, Matt's Roca.
[SPEAKER_03]: As always, I'm joined by the Buckingham Leverage Arch Roca.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Matt, last episode of 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my, we're not going to squeeze another episode before the years out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Only if Mike's a life squeezes in another picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to, yeah, we're not going to do a special extra episode previewing the Raven Steelers match up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm glad there's another game that matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you though?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you feel like I feel like it's a Baltimore sports fan this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have been tortured enough and this feels like one last little thing to torture me with.
[SPEAKER_03]: to hear just end out this, the seasons of Ravens and Orals.
[SPEAKER_02]: This year has been enough to frustrate me, to get on both, get on and off of the fire harbault trains and the get rid of Lamar trains.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That I end up in this season having frustrated with both of those guys enough, that part of you wants like just the season to end because you sneak into the playoffs and oh, everything's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoever I texted you, it feels like the coaches, but whoever loses Tot-Tamlin or Harabug, it's fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are too long, tenured coaches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how they feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to fire someone if you make the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard not to give Lamar your extension that he wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he doesn't make the playoffs, even if he only played half the games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you need to give an extension either way because Caproom and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's really, it's a, it's really, and all the Lamar's stories are just absolutely fascinating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if I wasn't a Raven's fan and a little bit too close to it, I would be entertained by all the stories and they're interesting, but as a fan, it's more frustrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: I made a joke about on Twitter, I just put, hey, I wonder what video game Lamar got for Christmas this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I got people messaging me that story's fake.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all lies and it's like no guys Like pressons we all have been frustrated and hate things pressing is wrote in the house The hate presses are well known as salvage haters.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's yeah, he's a eater.
[SPEAKER_02]: He tried every month for 25 years It's not like he just it's not some guy that just makes things up There's at least a little bit of truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: He may expand it, but there's always a little bit of truth in these stories
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you remember we remember we ripped the video game systems out of our locker room because they were too much of a distraction And Lamar made it sound like he was the leader that made that call to get him out Yeah, he did the ping-pong tape with all of his Lamar got them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, right He said we would make it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said it was no no no no no.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said it was what he didn't tell us is that he was the one distracted
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if he's out late, if he is too tired coming to practice, then Medan said he is fallen asleep or starting to dose out because he was up all night playing video games.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing that's what he does in the clubhouse too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I don't understand the Josh here is the other part of it though to just get to his level.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was watching it's wild with the NFL is right now because there's so many like third string quarterbacks in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you watched over the holidays, some of these football games with the Vikings and stuff, these third string quarterbacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, even if you get to 100 yards.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, even the Rames game.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's so clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: We I mean, it's in the midst of hating on Lamar It's so clear the alternative is a lot worse of a QB There's very few really good QB's but I look at Lamar and I see When I see him play, I don't see a really smart quarterback.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see a really talented guy
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's really good football instincts.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got really good presence in the market.
[SPEAKER_03]: He knows when people are rushing and coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what if he prepared his body a little bit more?
[SPEAKER_02]: So he could handle a bruise?
[SPEAKER_02]: What if he studied a little more so that he could look all of his progression stem instead of just running out with the ball?
[SPEAKER_03]: just because I just disagree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't think you can get to the point where Lamar's at without being a disciplined person, without being someone who does, who does, who puts in the work.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talk about each, which we come in with a little bit more muscle, when you're he was leaner to be faster, I think he's someone who does work on his body, work it's in the office, and prepares himself well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that can be true, and he can also stay up late playing video games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Think both things can be true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you can prefer African practices and not be a morning person.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think both things can be true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I'll tell you, change in the entire team schedule.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because the quarterback wants to sleep in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel there's more to that story too, as well, because John Harball is an old school coach.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's kicked people out of the locker room for not kind of fallen in line.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you go bail they back to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But John Harball changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once we transitioned from Joe to Lamar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's still in times.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still not the, uh, I mean, he's not the bread and hide player first friendly coach like he has I feel like he is not like that unless he's changed complete life past a couple years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think John Harball is careful what he says at the podium.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, not upset Lamar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I mean Lamar.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is very delicate with Lamar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree and I as he should be because no, no, if the Mars a problem you go ahead and call out Lamar Oh, I don't care that he's the most talented guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen Lamar concerns me that he is all this talent
[SPEAKER_02]: And that talent is going to, you have to adjust, he does not look to me like a guy who's going to be in the league for 15 years, 20 years, because once the speed and natural gifts back off a little bit from being young, as he gets old, like all of us, I don't think he can transition unless he starts studying and working out, and he's got to find a way to be healthy.
[SPEAKER_03]: oh my gosh the amount of assumptions you're making about how about his work at routine Josh and this is all based of what a bad half a season of one bad year in the midst of his career what I mean time will tell I'm listening to me why every time he's up for a new contract he misses like three four games
[SPEAKER_03]: for new contract, he misses three or four games.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I totally get.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's healthy and less it's a contract year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And less he's up for an extension or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he's a new extension.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I think he's more sensitive with his body.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think most quarterbacks would have played last week with the season on the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I had a sore back and wants to be healthy next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really hard from the outside.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I agree with you in the sense that I thought he should have played, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a back contusion seems like a little boobo on your back and you can play through it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But obviously, I'm not experienced with Lamar.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're re-behaving to the lines, it seems like John Harbaw thought Lamar should be able to play as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and that's been Lamar.
[SPEAKER_02]: that's been a problem with our ball and that's what I'm saying where he is soft on the podium where there are many times where he's up there thinking Lamar's gonna play it on Sunday and then suddenly Sunday Lamar's not playing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and we've talked about in years past the illnesses are ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he doesn't even, I don't know how small a children he has at home, but even me with all these small kids, I don't get sick as much as Lamar.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because you sleep, sleep is important.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, there might be other factors that lead to the other course.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the reality was, you can excuse missing practice, missing even a gamer to if you're playing an elite level.
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is Lamar, the only reason all this stuff is coming out now is to Lamar has struggled with this issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then everything, it all falls apart and you have a little bit of struggle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the point as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the reality is the Ravens can't move on from Lamar.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Lamar's their guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to we're recording this on Monday morning and part of me wants to flip on over to Give all my phone and pull up bottom or sports talk because I'm seeing it online at people's table We need to hauntly to start next week and it's like no no
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we need to give the ball more to Henry even when Lamar's back there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, I think when people what why people went Huntley and I'm I'm a little bit on that camp too is just because it forces John Harbaugh to give Henry the ball 30 40 times Because he knows he doesn't have Lamar there correct and we want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so just if they but have at Lamar Jackson play With the game plan as the Huntley's in there
[SPEAKER_02]: right now they try to get cute once in a while and be like all right Henry's off for the for this set of downs so we're gonna let Mitchell in there and that didn't work but they made the decision to bring Henry in on some of those close place when they needed it yeah the problem was big improvement problem is two weeks ago they had a stupid script where a series Henry would have it and a series Mitchell would have it which which not that's how you coach little league
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you get this in and I'll take the You switch to next in and miss it now you do the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and maybe the first quarter you have that script or something Right, and when things get real things get serious like you go with the better player who's playing better.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not hard It's obvious stuff, so And if the Raven's lose, we're gonna look back on that on that game two weeks ago and say up And well, I mean, I mean, I feel like this year
[SPEAKER_03]: If we've played in any other division, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd be very out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is our ball's been given a thousand lives this season to save this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: This job, and there's one more time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if getting the playoffs will save it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you might need to win a game or turn the playoffs to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly don't know how much of the hot seat the harbors are on because we already see the excuses.
[SPEAKER_02]: The excuses are the same as last time harbors on the hot seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Lamar, wasn't healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If your quarterback's not healthy, you have issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am I am turning around on Zach or on the defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think as the season's going on, the defense has gotten better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm okay with him there where I did not like that early in the season and was concerned.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, your boy Bashad is pretty loyal guy too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's going to take a lot to get him to fire our ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, remember I had the conversation with him about firing Billick and how hard it was for him to fire Billick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is we get we're running to talk orgulls.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, we got a little just right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, it's the most ravens we've had probably talked this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this season has been so just compelling just from a outside or standpoint.
[SPEAKER_03]: Being in it has been really frustrating because Yeah, Lamar stuff the play-kong stuff the insane lack of defense and all the high-spotations County The Orioles talking about before the expectations were were there and maybe and listen Josh you um after Alice I was talking trash after with the browns won
[SPEAKER_03]: Saying, okay, this is just another chance to be disappointed in our in our group chat there and dad called me He like he called me and said, you know, why being so down and He yeah, he kind of convinced me In terms of the teams that are in the playoffs, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's there's no chief anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no chief.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bills don't look very good Well, isn't that the most frustrating thing about the ravens is one paper the ravens are good enough to go to the Super Bowl
[SPEAKER_03]: Even now even now you look at and that's why they keep on even late into the season There were keep on being the favorites and the money lines and stuff like Vegas knows If you were the talented team if you if Lamar sell There gonna be I don't know what the number line is, but I bet they're favorite against the Steelers Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: even uh, it's in pitch broke.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it might be Steelers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet they're still favored.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm going to wait to see it for more plays, but if Lamar plays, I bet they're gonna But if you play Lamar and you give Henry the ball You guys can do anything Yeah, the problem is trying to be cute and overthink it
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but if we get, when we get in the playoffs, I mean, there's no, there's no team I go in there thinking we have no chance of beating this team, so it's going to be an interesting to see if we can make it a playoffs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it should be kind of spastic that the season that calls Raven fans the most angst could kind of be know it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love it if Lamar gets his Super Bowl this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: After all the frustrations, given that's when you give them the extension and everything, sure, prove it, though, and win some games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we can do a Joe Flag with a situation, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You win the big one, you, you, you, you get really, because now I go into it and be like, all right, we get in the playoffs, but then how are we going to be disappointed?
[SPEAKER_02]: Lack of their can we use is flowers going to drop another important ball?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we not going to pass the ball on Mark Leantruz?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Leantruz got more touches this past Sunday than he has in weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or what I mean happens to is, and this would be different, but typically in the season, Lamar Jackson never turns the ball over.
[SPEAKER_02]: He probably never turns the ball over and tell the playoffs or prime time, I've never seen the guy who does so bad at prime time games like Lamar.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's obvious kind of what's happening with Lamar in last situation is just he's trying to be a superstar and tries too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he tries to put it all on himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, but hopefully he's, you know, he's realizing watching, I mean, sitting there watching Huntley go out there and just make five guard passes and hand them all off.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we still win by double touchdowns.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a pretty strong case.
[SPEAKER_03]: I say, Lamar, you don't have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And people in the media, too, make a seem like Lamar has to be the guy to do all this.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a lot of talented pieces around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was the quarterback for the Packers?
[SPEAKER_02]: Willis?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, uh, everybody belong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope Lamar watched him and see that he is a quarterback with his throwing arm falling out of his shoulder and he's still out there playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because running running around and running because I know what they did they took them to that back room They gave them a cortisone shot on that shoulder and shot them up and got them back out there You know they have the same pain killers for a back contusion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it and the molecular substance defense He is a backup plank for his career right now as opposed to understand that more Jackson Who is just trying to get to the next payday?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the point, isn't that the point is, is Lamar worried about getting this team wins and into the playoffs or about himself?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like a guy who was a must win situation, you would like to see him try to get in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so he can't care more about winning the Super Bowl or winning another MVP.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he, is it all about him?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you like a championship or a personal accolade?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, at this point, sorry, done the MVP stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think he does want a championship.
[SPEAKER_03]: As long as he can get that to the point, they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but hey, we have a 16 minutes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to talk about the other birds?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, last podcast, we came on to talk about the offense and the additions to the offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now we talk about the additions.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we said the next shoe to drop was to dress the starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_03]: The starting pitching has been addressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about if it's been addressed ever done here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we have made some moves to address starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a full rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we added two pieces, just last night, it was announced that we assigned Zack Fland to a one year, 10 million dollar deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know the big deal of Shane Baza, but before we get to Shane Baza though, thoughts on bringing back to Zack Fland.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it's clearly a one year like, let me, let me, you guys, I wasn't healthy for you last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: give you what I should have given you last year and prove myself for another big contract from someone else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's clearly approved by self-year, where's Akia Flynn a bounce back year, and $10 million is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's $5 million salary, $3 million sign in bonus, and then $2 million at the end for the buyout.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we add up to 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that platform.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the veteran presence in our rotation and I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's to veteran who's been around.
[SPEAKER_03]: They do a mutual option, but they're too many of our buyouts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they can both agree to, I guess, go on for another year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they really would never do that, because why would you, you would always be negotiating, so you just take the two of our buyouts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're just going to get there and just to get the buyouts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you think of the two of our buyouts?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what we've seen in Birdland, from Zac Aphlen, is like a tale of two Zac Aphlen's, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: he was lights out on the stretch.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was our best pitcher.
[SPEAKER_03]: To the point where last year's open and they started, was that Evelyn?
[SPEAKER_03]: We were rocking with him as our number one starter.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then last year was the disaster for him because got out for rough start and a couple of stints on the injured list.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they found out, you know, this is needs to have surgery on his back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, this is why you don't try to play through back injuries Josh.
[SPEAKER_03]: She just have to stab the Mars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, uh, yes, the last year was kind of a wash.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of this no risk thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to be the opening day starter.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not going to rely on him like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't know in terms of health.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where where he's going to be at come, spring training a day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they take it easy on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's your number four starter probably as we go what I mean we'll go through the rotation in a minute But I think you're kind of putting him back there and letting him get healthy and work his way up
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he feels to me last year was the opening start and now he feels like a depth piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would even put him as like a five or six.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's there as I could see that as well a depth piece and it's it's one year ten minutes it's almost no risk, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So right it be turns into back into the 2024 version.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a steal of a deal and then if it doesn't work out, well, okay, you gave it a run and you have other options there to to go with.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I like it too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you, all right, so yeah, so we both like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We like that, Flynn, but we don't see him as number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen number four five.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, four five by that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Shane Bass.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Orioles traded a bunch of prospects that no one has heard of until they traded them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone panics of oh, these were good prospects.
[SPEAKER_03]: A couple of them were first round picks.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not true that no one's ever heard of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to follow the mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only reason you haven't heard of them is because they were just drafted the year before.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they are, they are three to four years away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm completely unproven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: People, people hate the idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and then I feel like they gotta be reminded that most major league draft picks never make it to the majors.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they draft a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they traded, um, Kedem Bo, Bo Dine, who is orders number seven prospect.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: They slated a bronze, former number on pick, uh, who was their number 12 prospect, um, Michael for it, who some people think is their, uh, best, what, one of their, if not, their best pitching prospect.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Austin Overn, and then the competitive balance pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: So essentially a late first round pick or early second round pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever think about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this with the Piedalonzo trading, a signing that it shows that Michaelis has been pressured and it's a win now mentality.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's exactly what this move does, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a panic move, but it's not a panic move.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a, it's a, we have to win now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a, we need to prove and win before these young guys contracts get expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Four, we have to extend Gunner before we have to extend Jackson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe it also feels like not before we have to extend Gunner and Jackson, but this is what teams that have
[SPEAKER_03]: money do, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they can always sign other people or they can make up for their mistakes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't always need to fill a team with minimum wage prospects.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like what what the Tampa Bay raise are doing is what we used to do under John and Angelo's.
[SPEAKER_03]: We could never make this trade under John and Angelo's because the process would be too important for us because we need those cheap wages whereas now as you start looking at this roster,
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of guys in there that's not going to be making minimum wage right that that that aren't on the baseball's minimum salary That are making some money and so big large market teams aren't afraid to trade prospects because the cheap War value that you get from those prospects are less important To teams who have money and so this also feels to me like this is an ownership group who's won't spend money and this move shows that
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with that and I don't I also I see this guy and I see the potential there I see where he's struggle this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had a 487 year a which is not Anything to be excited about but I see how they think that we can get a little bit more out of him Yeah, I can understand that and we have him for three years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes
[SPEAKER_03]: They're the GM from the raise, I think, put this well.
[SPEAKER_03]: The GM for the raise said, love the person, love the human, and someone that we feel very, very strongly that the best is right in front of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that Baltimore Grease, and that speaks to why the transaction came in at the acquisition price that it did.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's coming off injuries, kind of injury, injury, written, year, but he has no one denies the stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Plus, 9.7 mile per hour fastball, good change up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he the stuff there is to be and if you listen to a lie is talk about him a lie sees him I think as a number two starter maybe even a number one starter he sees him as that potential right not this year going forward in future years and that's where people will say I I've seen the argument oh we overpaid for this guy because he's a 47 and we gave up all this stuff and it's it's the potential that he's got and the three years under contract so I don't I don't
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it definitely definitely looks like an overpay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so if you see this deal and you look like an overpay, then you have to ask, why?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's not like Shane Bazz was the only guy on the trade market.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it sounds like this package could have probably gotten like a McKinsey Gore, who ever, a lot of people like from the nationals.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's clear this is the guy Elias wanted.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also clear, like what a big package to me says, what this large number of prospects as to me is, one, Michael is really one of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two, I'm sure the negotiations didn't start here, and the race probably didn't want to give him up until like this deal was overwhelming.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the amount of players and the overpass and people say shows how both teams really value Shane Bazz and what they see as his potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now what he's gonna ask you, you don't trade for what you've got to last you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You trade for what he's gonna do in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's gonna last someone looking at last your stats when you look at his home and away splits.
[SPEAKER_02]: where he did a lot better on the road and you have to remember that last year the home games for Tampa Bay were in St. Bernard Field.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were in that smaller stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were in that heat of of Tampa in an outdoor stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's things like that that will affect it as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing about the trade is, if you look at who we sent back, we talked a lot last time with the signing of Peter Lanzo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well now does this make Kobe Mayo expendable?
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked before about Adley Ruchman and his row going forward, or even like a Dylan beavers in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: None of these prospects, though, are we're going to be contributors to this year's team.
[SPEAKER_03]: None of the prospects were the guys who we talked about before is about being maybe expendable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder if that was because the race didn't want Kobe Mayo, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it, it sounds like all the race maybe does not want to trade these near ready or ready made make go to a music prospects.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my hope is he's holding the hold on him out for a bigger trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe a bigger trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also part of it is derays philosophy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see the rays all the time get prospects, develop prospects, and then trade their prospects.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or trade them once they develop them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was looking at, you know, where does ranked previously on their top prospect list.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was as high as number five and 2020.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a list headline by Wanderfranco.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's also just these stars on on the 2020 race prospect list.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they did about the past teams on the right side.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there was only like one player still in the race.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wanderfranco everyone else was, let's trade it away.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is how they have to do it in their defense when you have no budget.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's what they've done forever and they lock into the playoffs once in a while because if you get those young guys in prospect It's all quick at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get your way up there.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, the the only other thought though that comes to mind I just need to bring this up He feels like in terms of stuff wise and potential
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe comparison you can make is in terms of under years in a control too.
[SPEAKER_03]: A comparison you can make to is a guy named Grace and Rodriguez.
[SPEAKER_03]: Similar potential, similar upside, similar years of under control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can see that I think Grace and has a higher upside slightly, but he hasn't proven it at the majors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can see I can see your comparison.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so here is the only thing that kind of causes me to pause about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand why you weren't shamed by us.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was healthy last year, coming off of healthy year.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to build on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Grasional Regus is more of a question mark.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got, we, we give up four good prospects and a, and a, and a good draft pick to get shamed by us with these years control.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got an outfielder on expiring contract for Grace and Regus.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you look at this, doesn't feel like we should have gotten more back for Grace and Regus if you can.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can.
[UNKNOWN]: If you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you can.
[UNKNOWN]: If
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying like, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you feel like you wanted to welcome you, you trade them away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they trade them early enough, season Josh.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could have gone to him and potentially gotten a better deal for him than just Taylor Ward.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe, maybe, so there's also a difference between young, young, young prospects.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a guy that can make an impact this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, Eliz is he cares it seems like this year for the first time ever he cares about really this season's roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does feel like he's um, he lift off his past and he's now trying to keep the plane afloat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're free.
[SPEAKER_03]: I over fully into lift off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: No doubt about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one's pushing that anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're speaking of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think this our rotation is now finished?
[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about the rotation as it looks now in a moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do you think this is our move and we're not bringing in a star?
[SPEAKER_03]: And Ace about this as far as I think it's very possible we're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I disagree, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that there's still too much depth with Adley and Mayo and even cursed that I think Elias is trying to make a trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we we looked at the free agent pictures and none of them fit what we want now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's trying to get a big name from another team.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what, and maybe that's just my hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's just what I've wanted the entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I look at it and be like, and I feel like if we were tying a top-of-the-line free agent picture, we would have done it by now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like the fact that what's taken long is trying to work out a trade instead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't make, maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you've already traded four prospects for Shane Bazz.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I mean, to go dip into your prospects again to get another picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you have the money when I say that's what I don't, I think that's what Adley and Mayo are for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, see, I think I'll be a mayor back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you could make a trade to a team like the Tigers that doesn't want to go into full rebuild with one of these young guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you want to get scoobled?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want scoobled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who else is there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you don't have to start scoobled, I want skiing, but they're not trade in skiing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want scoobled, scoobled, scoobled, scoobled, scoobled, scoobled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I, let's not agree if Detroit's talking, you offer, you know, the best possible deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now it'd be awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you don't go out and get schoolable, it's, I mean, you look at McKenzie-Goor and Cabrera, Senate, contra, they're, they're, they're good pitchers, they're not number ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are numbers two and three, which I feel like you can maybe do better in free agency.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I also look at this rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think yeah, I mean, I think you you could sell this rotation as being something Oh, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good through the rotation because I agree I look at this rotation and they're better than last year and I like the rotation I like the guys in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's a lot of high potential guys that it could also all go wrong, but if they go well, it could be an amazing rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, well, let's first go through last year's, because I was looking at this last year's rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just got to say, like, what were we thinking?
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like I get what were we thinking with this rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last year, our opening started with Zac Eflan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: That made sense until the end of the race.
[SPEAKER_03]: It made sense at the time, but then a rotation outside of that, we're looking at Dean Cramer, Toma Yoki, Sue Gano.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, that was a flyer that did not work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I predicted for him to be rookie in the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's such.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he was he was okay at times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he showed a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Morton really crashed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then if you and then you've a look at terms of, um, uh, Cape Poe Vitch is then, and they're two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: He ended up with the area over five.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Trevor Rogers of course did did his right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the fun surprise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, but remember Rogers didn't pitch until the last week in May.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we did have Cal Gibson.
[SPEAKER_03]: We took a member took a flower and Cal Gibson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a disaster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So our rotation consisted of 37-year-old Cal Gibson, Sugaana at 35, Charlie Morton at 41, and then Dean Cramer at Zach Flin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a crappy rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then our depth was, you know, Kate Kate Povitch, and Trevor Rogers, who's lucked into being great, Cobb Radish only, you know, came in at the at the very end of the season along with Tara, Tara Lowell's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, going into the season, I mean, what we were counting on, Kyle Gibson, Zach Flin, and Grayson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about Grayson being our number one.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he never made a start.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, no, so already, I were just looking a lot better than last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, lots of hooking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So who's your open and day starter?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's my open day starter?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who's the number one this year?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's got to be Trevor Rogers after we did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking, yeah, it's Rogers.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Rogers.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can make an argument for CalBradish because he's done it for longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could, but I think you have to congratulate Rogers on last season and be like, we want to see the same from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I see, I see Bradish's number two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and a lot of this Josh comes down to, if you look at just predictions and you look at steamer or whatever kind of you go to for your prediction models, a lot of them have both co-bradish and Rogers having big regressions this year, not being terrible, but not being as good as they have been Rogers last year and co-bradish last year in the year before.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, part of how you think about the orientation and how you think they'll do is how do you think the coprash and Trevor Rogers.
[SPEAKER_03]: We look at them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you and I see them as a solid one to starter that can help against anybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the rest of baseball is there with us and thinking about them.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also think the rest of baseball did not watch you or it was much less seasoned to see what Trevor Rogers truly had.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so yeah, we got Trevor Rogers and Cobb Rattish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, then that's I think that's where you put Shane Bass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's your number three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think I gives that to Flander number four slot, which then leaves me at that fifth spot of that could be Dean Cramer, Tyler Wells, type situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't like Dean Cramer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like him in that role.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I've probably been our most consistent in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of Inans pitched, I'm just going out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the grammar gets that fifth slot because I think Tyler Wells adds some excitement to your bullpen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would flip it around a little bit if if this is our rotation right and I would put probably Tau the Wells at four and knowing that later in the season I could move to to the bullpen and see how things go yeah and then I got Dean Kramer at five and Zach Flin I assume coming back from the back injury the one to slow play him a little bit so I think they're going to just see how it works out with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe extended spring training or something, you're not even put an effort in this rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's number six for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're putting him started nor falcon workout.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we do know, and I didn't even list, you know, Kate Povitch in there with a lot of people like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Povitch, Soras.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think his guys have made impacts last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, move, we'll just have to be in the pan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stroud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and there are going to be injuries, right, to to the rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're both there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we'll see what happens there in terms of, I mean, that could be a spot if you have Kate Povech or even Zach Eifflin seeing how his return goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, I feel okay about, I don't feel like this is going to be a dominant rotation, but I feel pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: about a Rogers-Brattish-Bas-Craiber-wells or wells-Craiber.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when...
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty good about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when it's looking like our lineup could be the best and baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if things, I mean, I think Stone and Plode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I saw, I saw, you know, I get the emails from mlb.com and they'd different headlines.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're, they're latest one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this was there to go said, player from each team, most likely to have a bounce back year next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to have to be for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say Gunner for the Orioles have a bounce
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was thinking about that, Adley.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was looking at it and Kind of look at the numbers.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could make an argument pretty much for every offensive player On the team to have a bounce back like I don't think yeah, you're gonna jacks and that's what's an up to potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: How is there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Go go through the list
[SPEAKER_03]: None of them, even to go down to Mount Castle, even Westburg, because he was injured, I think every offense a player could have a bounce back, could be better than last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yes, I agree their offense can be elite, but it's also assumes that Gunner is a Gunner of two years ago, and that Jordan stays healthy and takes the next step, and that cows are
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it has the potential to be and I think they're not even leaves off a guy like Mayo Showing up with that with the bat we all have been promised
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you have those, I think three young players who could be, especially Mayo and Pesayo could be game changers if they can play as well as we think they can.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, and you know what, I put, I put bevers in there as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can put bevers in there too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, certainly the offense has a potential to be one of the best in baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: but it's assuming that these young players kind of grasp exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you also with the veterans, I think you have more room there when these guys struggle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I think Peter Lanzo and Taylor Ward do a lot of kind of protection and help in this lineup for some of the young guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we never really had that before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, no, no, Tyler O'Neill and Ryan O'Hurne didn't really give you that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the world's have definitely addressed the offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: We feel good about the offense even by making these moves.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was saying about it too, like, just again, if you look at last year's roster,
[SPEAKER_03]: And you think about like don't call sin, played like half the season, what are we even doing there with him and we think about just some of the other players who like we were counting on cursed at and that turned into be a bit of a disaster.
[SPEAKER_03]: So even just by adding all these pieces, like Kobe Mayo, we're not counting on Kobe Mayo this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not counting on Ryan Mount Castle.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not counting on Ryan Mount Castle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't Carlson, I don't think it's even on the team anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so these guys who were going to be essential pieces, like Carlson, we were kind of counting him last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mount Castle, all these pieces for two or three years now, we've been saying it's time for Mount Castle to bounce back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, basically how are they moved the wall?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the power hasn't been there, it's been moved the wall.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now all of a sudden, these pieces become...
[SPEAKER_03]: full bench pieces, depth pieces.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now we're not going to see these guys you've never heard of making starting 50 games in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I don't think we're going to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think we have a decent outfield with word and cows or beavers, and of course, you tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying, I said, you got a potato or a meal and they're at least one open a day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I read this somewhere, someone or maybe I listened to it or read.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forget where I heard this, but someone mentioned the idea of putting Kobe Mayo in a corner outfield spot too, just because there's not room for him at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know how much time they gave him a Norfolk out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if I was Kobe, I'd be working on something like that this elf season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I might be like, I might be working on it, but also a little bit annoyed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be annoyed that Alonso's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, and I was at their basement.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they said, you know, you need to move, we need to move you to first.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so then he put in a ton of work at first.
[SPEAKER_03]: At first.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they were always talking about how he's the first one on the field, getting extra work in at first, and he put all that work in first.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then just have people outside.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now they're going to say, OK, now do that same thing you did last year?
[SPEAKER_03]: now in the outfield right that or just stay up all night playing video games yeah either way either way now you can't do that until your superstar alarms can do that oh okay all right
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I feel good about the offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, I feel okay about the rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious to see if we do make another trade or a signing, I mean, if we can still pull off of our deserts or as, I think this becomes, I mean, buy a map of what series tickets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the best rotation is a baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: You bring in a number one and slide all these guys back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly, yeah, it's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, having Trevor Rogers, as you're two and Cobb Radish, as you're three, what are we talking about here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, we're talking about a world series.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we'll see if that happens though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not holding my breath.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I mean, it's interesting that both kind of the elite starting pictures left in the market have not signed yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you disappointed that we gave up our season tickets?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead and do it season like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be a fun season, I mean, not really because I live in making.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am a little bit because of stuff like I want to go up for open and day, and that would take out a go by tickets off the secondary market or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to be open seats for open and day?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not with alarms so silent now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think we can get pretty much maybe not open and day, but pretty much any tickets we want we can be able to yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think I'll still get tickets for whatever I want, but it's way easier to run.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could just call Carlos and get tickets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I'll still be there for the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Judge, are you concerned at all?
[SPEAKER_03]: We, the Orioles have clearly made an effort to address the offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: They made clearly made additions to the certain pitching.
[SPEAKER_03]: We hope they're not done, but we'll see outside of Ryan has, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't done anything yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we feel that the bullpen is something that we should and need to address here in the coming days?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not worried about the bullpen because we mentioned five starters that we're not going to have room for.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they could be good impacts on the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that gives us a long man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that guy like Tyler Wells is an excellent set-up man, a guy for deep in your ball games.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's proven that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you have that there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You put in a guy like Kid povich in there is a long relief guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you can make some tweaks and get some of these rotation arms into your bullpen So I feel I still feel pretty good about the bullpen
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, uh, with no Felix Batista, then right now Ryan how's it becomes your your closer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why we signed him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I mean, that's exactly what the point of the move was.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it was our only bullpen move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Andrew Kittridge is back there, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's another bullpen move, I guess we made.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I mean, there's some question marks, I'm curious to see how they play out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like how much faith do you have in could know after you struggled last year?
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly don't have a whole lot of faith on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have, at that point where I need him to prove it, works like I know you have the potential, but prove that you can do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we were a lot a lot on like Dietrich N's last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're a fan of Dietrich N's, but I wonder about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Has Sir Anthony signed yet?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think I believe he's still out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to bring him back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cubs got Hunter Harvey, what that kind of wanted him, but I did not want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not want that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not want that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did want Sarah, I do want Sarah Anthony back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I would feel better if we added one more picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think one more bullpen arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Specifically, I think we could use, I mean, this is not something to mingas, but specifically, I think we could use a lefty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, then you have Danny Colombeck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I remember at the beginning of the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he had like a period of zero for the first couple of months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I think he crashed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because right now, the lefties in our bullpen are Dietrich Andes that I just mentioned, and Kegan Aiken, and I ran to Wolfram, and that's the list of lefties in the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I Danny Colum last year played 40 games with the twins.
[SPEAKER_02]: and got a 116 ERA.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then went to the Rangers for 15 games and had a 525.
[SPEAKER_03]: So trade and struggle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, trade and struggle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, how's he had a similar thing with the maps when he was straight?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know what, bring him to hand me back, why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in the twos when he was in Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I could give him another shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would appreciate one or two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Another, bring back Seranthian Dominguez and give me a lefty bullpen iron, like cool cool over someone else and I could roll with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll feel pretty good about that bullpen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, me too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just looking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just pulled up the or the 40 man to look at the lefty relievers.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I pulled the name Grant Wolfram.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would never gotten that name without pulling up the 40-minute roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you look at catchers in just the 40 man.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're down to Bassayo and Ruchman as it only two catchers on the 40 man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you look at the infielders.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no one, what's that?
[SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because there's not going to trade Adley.
[SPEAKER_03]: As you look at the infield, there's no one there that you can take off the list.
[SPEAKER_03]: They all need to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mount Castle and Mayo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Lanzo Henderson, Holiday Jackson, Jeremiah Jackson, Kersia, he has a year, he has him with his roles in him too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kobe Mayo, Mount Castle, Jordan Westburg, I guess Mount Castle would be the most expendable of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Mount Castle would be the most expendable.
[SPEAKER_03]: But with every signing, right, you kind of, you have to move someone off the 40 man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The position player wise, we're running out of guys in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess Leo, Dr. Varaz, who is signed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he'd be your next bubble guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're running out of guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just our rosers just shaping up really nicely.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was also a nice article on MLB.com about Enrique Bradfield Jr. And he's going to get a spring train.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's already been said.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to be invited to Major League Camp.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he seems when they kind of leading his quotes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He seemed to be hopeful.
[SPEAKER_03]: to have a set of the squad.
[SPEAKER_03]: If not coming out of spring training early on the 2020s exceeds and so that's going to be another name in the off field that could be intriguing to watch and Ricky Bradford Jr. and what his role is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if that, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because that is, if you can hit, that's the whole big question.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can hit well enough, that's your answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly as an extra outfielder, defensive, your Andy Chavez type in a corporate world, a centerfielder, but also you're a Mateo speed on the back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, your pinch runner, your extra innings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, look who we got at second base now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what Mateo played really good defense, but he couldn't hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was there for the speed.
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah so it feels it feels good at this point Josh in we're uh at the end of December here and I feel like we have a roster that plays now I hope we're not done I hope we can make an addition like I said to the rotation and a couple of additions to to the bullpen but even like I'm ready to go let's uh it's a long wait until you know pictures and catches report but let's rock and roll agreed yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it, like it, like it, like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe we're, I mean, we'll get in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at 2025, every day's closer to baseball season, I believe this week was the halfway point between the end of the world series and the start of opening day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that was like yesterday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and hopefully the Ravens will keep us entertained for a few more weeks to, you know, get as close to the spring training.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least one more, at least one more game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either frustrate us or get us excited and and then trick us in the believing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's our either way judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all right because I'm all into the Atlanta Hawks this season So I'm watching most of their games and they got this guy Jalen Johnson who just gets a triple double like every night So I got that the fallback.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you got the NBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nobody else cares.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hey some people care on Christmas
[SPEAKER_02]: on Christmas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw a whole controversy of all I saw from basketball people on Christmas day was nothing about the NBA just complaining about the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had NBA had that one day out of the year just for themselves Christmas and then an NFL has to come on take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what NBA proved that you deserve it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Prove that I should watch you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, style I've seen you do is complain You didn't say this is the big Christmas day games.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you need to tune in for You just said wine wine wine wine wine NFL NFL NFL oh Josh you're just you are just lucky that you're it Madely baseball doesn't have to compete with the NFL or no one will watch baseball either Okay, we had remember we had that a few years ago With the uh with the Ravens and or the Ravens open in game in the Orioles and yes, who won?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to buy their meaningless games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But who who watched to what was what was the TV rate ratings for each of those games?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it was different times, but I'm sure the NFL got more because the rate was always crushed or was the TV rate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just like the question in B.A.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also because there's only 16 games.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of research to tell me how now I'm telling you take a football and it's all with a gambling gambling The gambling is right now sports gambling is out of control.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's yeah, it makes me mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so stupid It is all it does is it's gonna get you in trouble for corruption
[SPEAKER_02]: when when every game every broadcast is now sponsored by gambling sites.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the other thing that's going to do Josh is as I watch every game with my eight-year-old, it's going to give every teenager in the country a dictated sports gambling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is a huge problem on college campuses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sure you're probably seeing a little of this on Mercer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't really noticed it to be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be with the amount of just, you know, propaganda on these commercials and stuff for young people growing up.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, I can't imagine growing up now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention, try watching these pre-game shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: They suck because it's all about fantasy football and gambling stats.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if it's not on the side, there's a scroll that's showing that that's horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like it doesn't matter who wins anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just did did they win by the Americans.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to gamble.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I liked it when I had to go to Vegas and it's like a special thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I get the bet on the Ravens to win it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many times did I drop that $20 for the Orioles to win the world series?
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I'm there in like December.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well you you should have made that bet by the way in November, before they got Peter Lanzo and now the Shane Baz deal and you better put it the better now Josh before they get about as let's see, Orioles world series odds.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean the AL East itself is so competitive.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who I got resumed the blue jays have the best sides.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then the Yankees then us and the Red Sox, but I'm sure that it's so competitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are 30 to one odds.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Dodgers 2-1.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have everyone right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it looks like we're we're between 3,000, 30-1, 2,200.
[SPEAKER_02]: It says we're in the mid, we're kind of mid tier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll make the bet now before we sign anybody else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great for anybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I think it's too late.
[SPEAKER_03]: You already missed the boat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: for the best bets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, hey, if we win it all, any bets are your bet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you could increase that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do Orioles, Dodgers, real series.
[SPEAKER_03]: Orioles, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could increase your pay out there a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're good out here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got some bets to the place.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Try them now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can play all the winters.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do, but I thought they were winning two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were going to beat the bangles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were going to win all these games and I thought they were going to beat the Steelers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were going to beat them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many games.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they won 13 games.
[SPEAKER_03]: So do I do you want to win?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, how can you watch what the Ravens did on Sunday against the Packers?
[SPEAKER_03]: Then watch what the Steelers didn't do against the Browns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And think that the Ravens aren't going to win by three touchdowns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as Genet even be competitive, but we'll see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: But football's wild.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this has been a lot to the Ravens of the Nation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to bet it, I'll tell you that much.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, but I'll enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, be there something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I go and it's 125.
[SPEAKER_02]: The oil signs someone that we have to do in emergency after so before the end of the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it'd be awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I have a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm full.
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