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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forty-K-Lore cast with me, John Barsati and Brad Chester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, we're covering the after of the war of Armageddon, known affectionately as the months of shame.
[SPEAKER_00]: As they should be, yeah, again, read the Emperor's gift or at least the second half of it, if you're not overly interested in great nights at least read the second half of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't usually cover the book, but in this case, there's a pretty good source material.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like your style there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just jump ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, look, it's like a lot of movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can skip around in commando and get a great experience and skip a lot of, like, what was that purpose?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to miss the plot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start off with where we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first war of Armageddon has now concluded and grown the forces of Corridor then repelled.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're banished by the Grey Knights, but also thanks to a rather herkily and effort by this
[SPEAKER_00]: by the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And her humans say, oh, please, sir, because the human defenders of Armageddon were heroes of the Imperium to quote Logan Grimner, yeah, I just quoted a fictional character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I, I'm not saying that they're not, but in reading the books, I don't know a lot of stories of what they did other than not die.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, if you don't instantly run away as a bloodthirsty smoke show you, it's just the next couple wars of Armageddon, the humans do epic stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I've said.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this one of War of Armageddon, their epic was Logan said they did a good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, no, the thing is that they did hold the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: for a while with Space Wolves next.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, you know, hey, I'm more calling out GW and that, hey, we could get more on this war because in other wars, you hear like tales of real heroism from them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one, it was like, they counter attacked.
[SPEAKER_00]: This Space Wolves are also there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they, not only wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're never seen a bloodthirsty ever and you're holding a last rifle,
[SPEAKER_00]: and you don't just run away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hero or stupid, pick one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe both.
[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hero.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a space wolves, the defense force and the great nights were getting slaughtered on Armageddon, defeating Angron, the inquisition was up in space watching, doing what he usually does plotting, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was the inquisition decided that the events the Armageddon,
[SPEAKER_00]: were too extreme, even though a lot of the people there were either oblivious to the events or heroes and defense against them, the risk of the spread of heresy was too great because a single citizen telling the stories of what happened there could be like a drop of snow that caused an avalanche.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how any position of music.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is so much different modern modern.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is still modern for decay, but like it has changed quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, this is M40.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is still M41.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just saying that it changes quite a bit once you have the rift and people go, hey, man, yep, that hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Demons are coming by and groceries that your store is in that comment now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, whoa, they've had this stuff kind of changed guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other problem that the English has though is that this planet is of too high value.
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually in this type of scenario, you have a chaos theme and attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: After the invasion, they would just purify the whole planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a whole exterminator swipe it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is 80s action movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: You walk away from a burning bill from the
[SPEAKER_00]: every single time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what happens in this situation, though, is Armageddon is too valuable.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this massive manufacturing hub, so they can't just blow it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the inquisition then divides the survivors into two categories.
[SPEAKER_00]: The civilians who were within the hives, who saw nothing, no nothing, and the soldiers in the battlefront.
[SPEAKER_00]: And,
[SPEAKER_00]: one of that no nothing saw nothing thing on a dive into a little bit, the fighting didn't occur within the hives.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inside the hives was just, you know, yeah, they were cultists, but we had to say we had some cultists relations up and up, but there's no demon, there's no demon can.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they didn't see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Logan, when he got there, actually sealed all the hives, too, to make sure they couldn't see that the playlist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like good windows on the hives, but the idea was nothing went into the hives and they came out of the hives.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyone inside the hive was just kind of, they might not even know there was a war going on in all fairness.
[SPEAKER_01]: But nonetheless, the increased side's I love that their solutions are always
[SPEAKER_01]: So awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so overboard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's here's because the part one of it may be fine to part two is gross.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the inclusion decides the best solution is to just sterilize the entire population.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they can't that way the story dies with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that still takes a while so then they send them out of labor camps like forced labor camps like they've done something wrong and they were going to do forced labor until they die.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, you guys are just dicks.
[SPEAKER_00]: My thinking of it is because if you let the population die out, your labor force becomes kind of unreliable because it's
[SPEAKER_00]: say this hives down 30% can they keep producing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea was, what does take everyone out of all the hives and bring a new colonists?
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll take the old colonists and we'll go put them on what is an effective penitent crusade despite them doing nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at that point time, just shoot me on the head dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, hey, what are you doing today?
[SPEAKER_01]: Every day I wake up, Steve punches me in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I break heavy rocks and then they beat me with a stick at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, what's told me?
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's just the citizens.
[SPEAKER_00]: The soldiers were a lot darker for the idea to deal with all these soldiers and these ones who did C. K. S. obviously was the great nights were just going to mass murder them.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of the soldiers are going to be rounded up and shipped off to heavy air quotes here the next engagement.
[SPEAKER_00]: because they are pretty solid veterans now guys, but that was a cover story.
[SPEAKER_00]: The plan was as soon as they went to leave and translate into the warp, the great night ship would attack them and blow them up in space.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're sterilizing the one population to work to be in labor camps, but those people aren't never saw chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no chance them falling to chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: They might as you work in that labor camp without worshiping demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the soldiers, they're all going to start worshiping demons like tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to kill them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you a bad movie that I'm referencing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They treated all the soldiers like they were from the island.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've won the lottery.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: God damn it.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both of these plans were not well received by the Space Wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, or even the Grey Nights, if I'm being honest, and that's a cool part of the story, that Space Wolves really not okay with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even the Grey Nights were asking a question of like, hey, we rushed here to fight Angron to save the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're just going to kill everyone anyway, why didn't we just wait?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know a week and we would have had four great nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the grenades would have gotten here as opposed to Ted is showing up going so just go down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I guess we fought one of the most powerful demon princes of chaos in existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: With a hundred and nine dudes, we could have waited a week and it would have been like 1,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Feels like maybe we should have done the 1,000 thing if we were trying to save the populace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the great nights felt that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Worked, I do anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know who was?
[SPEAKER_01]: This little screen grim now in the space moves ain't going out like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna jump over now to another character who gets introduced.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's around earlier, but he guns very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go with Kisneros as how I'm gonna pronounce it because GW just wants my life to be hard when they write these names.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the inquisition had a number of members present at Armageddon, and the decision to kill off all non-a-star days who saw it was decided by a vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a senior leader, though, and that's inquisitor, Lord, we're good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yemsme, G-H-E-S-M-E-I.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, everything about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kisneros.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly, about Kisneros, he's an independent inquisition member.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not part of any order, not oromalius, not orodosinos, none of the orodos, which matters a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his origins are largely unknown.
[SPEAKER_00]: They hint his age as summer around 400 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's been doing this for a bit, or maybe at least how long he served within the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's described to be like the laziest written villain ever because he's got long flowing blonde hair and he's perfect features because he's meant to be this person Like it's just that he's meant to be a person you want to punch in the face the second you see them and they start speaking That's he's described.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the bad frat guy in a movie
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think of him as the frantic guy, but I'd get you on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah backwards baseball cap the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is that he sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think one look at him and go, oh, if not even in the movie, he's like the opening scene of a TV show.
[SPEAKER_00]: The leader of the bullies.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he's described effectively as so.
[SPEAKER_00]: thing about Kisneros is he's absolute in his convictions.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a genius, but he's not dull.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's, but he believes that his course of action is the right one and is not willing to divert once he's made his decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also not the only member of the Inquisition there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, the other one does matter is Anika, which is spelled wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yarrl's daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yarrl's daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That one was phonetic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I wrote that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's originally from Fenris.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to matter a bit more than later.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a member of the Ordo Malias.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's an inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's basically the protagonist to Kaisnero's antagonist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's very close with some of the great acts.
[SPEAKER_00]: but the problem for her is she's this character who has no real power whatsoever and he's comically a douche bear but continue well he's to everybody that's the whole thing true the problem with inquisitors is and this does matter kind of link oh yeah only for this in the notes let's talk was real quick inquisitors can kill other inquisitors
[SPEAKER_00]: They know that and when you're an inquisitor, you really have to be careful about gripping too hard at somebody because they can just call you a heretic and murder you and that's kind of the end of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to be careful as an inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why there's a lot of subterfuge with inquisitors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unlike with Logan Grimner, not a lot of subterfuge.
[SPEAKER_00]: new.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, but he's clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's story gets really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to say he's cut in, but brutal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Space Wolves are orcs just move on with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Move on with your day.
[SPEAKER_00]: The writing's not that.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you read an orc novel and you read a spacewolf novel, there's overlap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into the opening of the hostilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yarl Grimnar reached out to him in position forces once the processing of this is of Armageddon began.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote he politely informed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was politely.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was snarling, but it was politely, that he accepted there is nothing he could do for the population being sterilized, but he wasn't okay with whether it was soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: his viewpoint was anyone who fought against the force of Angron, our heroes of the Imperium, and would be treated as such.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisition of the Grey Knights, both knew Grimnar is a little bit of a loony, but they had no idea how far he would go.
[SPEAKER_00]: This created some tension for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, what does he mean by this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there was no open threat from him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just was a, I'm not going to let you do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is one of those where I feel like they didn't understand who they were talking to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like maybe we have a bad connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you know, I'm not letting this happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: In English, it says, yeah, yeah, whatever, and the process begins.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first transport takes off and load it up with these veterans.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's being escorted out to its jump point by a space wolf cruiser, it's a single cruiser, but also a great night cruiser.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the one that a Hyperion, who we discussed last cast, this is a cruiser he's on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though the space wolf cruiser is pretty close, it's not that close.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Hyperion's able to shoot on it,
[SPEAKER_00]: Now what's important here is didn't hit the space wolf thing and the space wolves basically replied back with, okay, so you are willing to do this for lack of a better phrase.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was their question was simply, do you have the balls to follow through with this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the great night thing was just said, yeah, of course we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the space wolves went, okay, on to plan B.
[SPEAKER_00]: Important note here.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the ground, the acquisition massively outnumber the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a giant force there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason, in space, they didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Grimnar can't really do anything on the planet arm again.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in space, they've got more ships and actually heavier ships, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if a naval battle were to commence, the space wolves would win hand-handedly, but they both take losses.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the fear the Grey Knights and the Gushan had.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was if the Space Wolves attack, we're all gonna die, simply put.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and we're yet on our Badab War levels, a civil Logan does two things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing he does is he organizes, he makes up some excuse, and organizes all of the transport ships to leave at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like episode five, episode four, whatever it is, where the Empire Strikes Back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where the ion cannon can only protect so many at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be episode five.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Five.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Five.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like, I'm playing Lego Star Wars with my kid right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so he does, he says, all the ships we're all going to leave at once because there's a warp storm coming or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So every single troop transport takes off at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Logan decides, this time, we're not gonna follow close behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on top of either on your six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the ships look like top gun maneuvers as they're moving out.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the transports are moving in a big ball, all the spacebulb vehicles around them are causing changing direction randomly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're doing this so that no one can get an actual line of sight without hitting a spacebulb vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the ink position, send the grain knights to follow in and you get this kind of standoff because they cannot get a firing solution without hitting a grain knights.
[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually, there's a new grandmaster named Yoros of the Grandites.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he makes a box called a Grimdard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Yoros is not long for this world spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Yoros tells Grimdard, okay, okay, you made your point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now get out of the way, because we have to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's way nicer than how he sent up a continue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Grimdard replies back with, just what point?
[SPEAKER_00]: what point weren't this is what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now Kisneros has to take over and he orders the fleet to attack the space will fleet, which is a declaration of war, in effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's this kind of funny thing happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: The great night vessels are like, are you sure?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, fire on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all the great night vessels go, all right, let's wear the heaviest shields in the space while full of ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we just shoot at that at low power because I really don't want to have a big naval conflict?
[SPEAKER_00]: and this begins happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all basically firing at the space wolf ships and the space wolves, their aft shields will go down and so the ship will just turn to put like the Star Wars shields out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a weird sparring thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That this was so strange to me in the books because I didn't know what they were trying to accomplish and it does continue until Kusnano's loses his mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otters nowhere too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, this is bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And...
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, decide to rage out and this bit's hilarious because what Kisneros does this is I destroy them now That's screaming like the professional style get them kill them now and so they go the great night Fleet starts going into pursuit they be in actually shooting much more heavily at the space wolf ships Potentially destroying some of them until there's a really big flash in front of everybody
[SPEAKER_00]: And the battle farge, oh, y'all farm, y'all for high, y'all for high.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go with y'all for high, translates in along with all of its escorts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Effectively, the space wolves brought their fleet and they translated in between the space wolves and escort and the great night fleet pursuing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: At which point, Kisneros does have to kind of go, okay, let's also set this up because
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we glossed over the fact that another battle barge marines travel in monstrosity warships because they have to bring so much stuff with them in the first place for their traveling war.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the battle barges are holy crap.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just flying nomically large.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also I should mention one thing I didn't mention earlier, I'm sorry everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: The key part of this is the space
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter how many times the gray night vessels and I guess English vessels shot at the space while vessels, they never returned fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when this battle barge translates in front of them, this becomes a nice little warning sign-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing could have just bothered translating and wiped out the entire fleet almost by itself, but it just translate in and says, hey, do you want to shoot at this too?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do love this fact because this is like the guy that's trying to talk a lot of crap in front of the bar and then the big guy shows up and just goes, come on man, and they go, man, if I wanted to, I beat you up, I'm not going to right now, but if I wanted to, I would.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the videos of road rage where someone's banging on someone's door, the door opens and like seven feet gets out and the person's banging on it's going like, ah, I never mind, I looked, oh, the light screen got to go, so weirdly enough, the inquisition for us backs up, yeah, now kiss narrows and the gray nights do not take this L well, they're very much on team, one the battle, but you're going to lose the war of the space wolves, and unfortunately,
[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Grimnar's intentions here were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The results of it are pretty bad, because instead of a few million soldiers dying, trillions, now die as a result of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the troop transport successfully leave the system,
[SPEAKER_00]: But the English didn't have to ID it all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They knew every ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know, and the Imperium is not.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't sailing across the Pacific in 1643.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they controlled stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he did the, he did a firefly on this where they put out 52 fake trackers also because he spreads them to the,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Grimnar's idea is that these are heroes and they deserve not only to survive, but to have offspring and do all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to scatter them to the wind.
[SPEAKER_00]: The issue is that as the troops drop off and spread and they spread out more and more, the English and views is like an infection spreading, like putting spider webs everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it felt like to them that Grimnar was daring the English,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was daring though, I think I really do think that Grimnar thought that look, man, you'll see it's ridiculous, you know, to do this, just don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have to be so colossally ridiculous for you to do this, that there's no way that you're going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's exactly what Kishneras does.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the acquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, well, I'm missing a beat, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: The English and begins track and movement of every ship and they start deploying gray night fleets along the way that kind of stop them, but more importantly, to just kill anything that interacted with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, like a relay spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we talk about space travel,
[SPEAKER_00]: merchant fleets they don't have navigators so they do short jumps and so they jump into the warp and they jump out of the warp and when they come out of the warp they basically ping and it's usually when these relay stations here is our ID here's where we're going what direction do we go really just go that way all right and they'll translate back into the warp and that's the hop their way through the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: The things that when they do that relay station now gets a record of their
[SPEAKER_00]: So the English starts destroying these relay stations.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was so bananas, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is such an idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of my least favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, just because it's all way to Lord of Terra, but no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because this guy's in doing what he's doing, which is already too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts weakening the Imperium, because he's actually making, killing these bacon's for instance, horribly hurts people that are bringing good services to the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two, you remember the Imperium is a war economy period, 90% of everything that's happening is to further the war efforts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so this guy is actually making the Imperium weaker by doing what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: What ends up happening is the question comes through and they're blowing up this relay station because the relay station has a record of a ship that they don't want anyone to know ever existed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's other ships, thousands, tens of thousands of ships that are going to translate out of the warp to ping that relay station, that's now not there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now they have to find another relay station to ping, and he's going to fetch slowing down the entirety of the Imperium to achieve his thing, which the Brad's point earlier, Grimdar was like, yeah, man, like, you're not going to go this far, are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he goes further than that, because he also starts exterminatizing worlds that the survivors land on.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not listen to Robert Donnie Jr. No, he did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Grimnar doesn't really care for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Grimnar begins at first, increasing the amount of escorts on the ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: His idea was,
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, I'll make it even harder to kill these ships and we're going to spread them even farther and wider.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is to put the inquisition on pace to become the greatest threat to the entire imperial citizenry.
[SPEAKER_00]: That exists in the galaxy because there's so spread out there's so much left everywhere and engaging with them is so hard it has to be so violent.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll never do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is when things go and they went, we jumped a plaid.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is so dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is intergalactically dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Neros goes, hey, man, he's making it real hard for me to be an idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even some, this stuff is getting to the point where it's super inconvenient for me to murder an exterminated entire planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, and I can't do some of these planets because they're too valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he decides, hey man, Logan, you should meet up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to hash this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he sends a coded communication to Grimnar, asking to meet and discuss, and for a parlay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the two leaders.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grimnar agreed, and Kisnaros began the F around and find out face of this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoo!
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the more was F around, what he does next is an extreme.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they agreed to meet in the hurricane system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Kisneros and Grandmaster Yoros had a separate plan, but they really decided was the best way to end hostilities between the inquisition and the space walls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because remember, the space walls are a first-founding chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: they are we are on the verge of a civil war between them and the Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even Kisneros is nervous about how that's going to play out for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is possible that you know, that and I'll say your roast knows the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's entirely possible the lords of terror would say, yeah, why are you at war with one of the most important factions and the ones who actually fought next to the emperor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that also haven't even remotely codex compliant enough, but there's also that they have a ton of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this plan is so bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel this plan is really good if it's not a space marine chapter you're trying to do it, do it, let alone and a start, let alone space will.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, they plan is we're going to capture Grimnar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that will pacify everyone because we'll have their chapter master and from then we can get them to do whatever we want, which is not the best idea if we're going to rank it on one to ten is a negative 80.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of who's in the room is their their pitching this on the whiteboard and they're like, all right, and this equals this and as soon as we capture them.
[SPEAKER_01]: they will just everybody will call down and not do anything you're like no the exact opposite will happen they will come try to get grimdar it no yeah bad no you got what I got that's pretty well off get off there no bad no
[SPEAKER_00]: So Grimnar doesn't know this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he honors the code of Parley.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it is entire fleet translate in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told all of this because this is one of my favorites because I've had people go, you know, Grimnar fell into this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, yeah, man, because this is so roadrunner coyote, such a bad plan that it's like this would never happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one would ever think to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Grimnar, entire fleet translate in,
[SPEAKER_00]: Shields down weapons down and immediately get fired upon.
[SPEAKER_00]: The four escort vehicles are on grandnars vessel called the Skara Massiex, who are destroyed at a hundred percent casualty.
[SPEAKER_00]: The acquisition vessels then begin firing on the Skara Massiex and disable it, turning basically showing that as engines, not all the way because we get to that in a second, but it's bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kisneros then demands that Grimnar halt all of his actions and come aboard his vessel to discuss terms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is one of my favorite things in all of the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Grimnar just goes, yeah, I'll be there in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll lie away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just bought fresh new boots and mighty ass cake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just slap those on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll take me a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so Grimdar and his Wolfguard teleport a board in position vessel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kishnaro says convinced that he's bested Grimdar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's bringing his defeated commander on board his ship to surrender.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he'd be immediately beat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this isn't Kishnaro's does a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves to monologue at people, not bad guy monologue, but just like, yeah, yeah, everything I know is correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to give you a lecture now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a, this is 100% a bad guy monologue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no, but he's not with the bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: We say bad guy model, I guess he's ready to all this confession of, and this is how this is what I'm gonna do after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just talking shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just being an idiot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He informs Grimnar the whole war was silly that this is a mistake, but don't worry, the Englishition are willing to forgive the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their entire chapter just has to go complete, a penitent crusade.
[SPEAKER_00]: And afterwards read to Claire, they're loyal to you to the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: and he keeps going with his whole thing blah blah blah all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And after a lot of this long speech, Grimnar just goes, yeah, yeah, who ordered the shooting on my vessels?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, over again, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, he just completely is ignoring it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, all I want to know, who gave the order to which?
[SPEAKER_01]: But yours goes, hey, I don't know if he was trying to be the tough guy or what happened there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yours says it's actually you gave the order,
[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, Grimner decides, and he had a problem with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's taken offense, Grimner moves at lightning speed, and before Yoros even knows he's getting attacked effectively, he cuts him in half with his powerhouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just with, well, that's settled and kind of me mugs everybody for a minute with big guys in one line, little guys in another if you guys want to deal with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of, and it should kiss Nero starts yelling, obviously the great nights are about to murder our four of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And kiss Nero's steps and says, no, everyone's stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like talking to Grimdard, talking down to them, of course, despite it being very much so an up-angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling him, look, there's no reason for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is have your whole chapter going to Penteint Crusade.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All will be forgiven, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grimdard is not really feeling it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I like happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going, hey, not only have I said your untrace whether you might be here, it takes, I've bested you, which is another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: All you have to do is convince your entire legion to go get still legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: To go to a suicide mission and declare that your heretics and you could redeem yourself, and he just went, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to happen, believe he says, in effect, go piss up a rope and Grimdar and his Wolfguard go to teleport back to their ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and I didn't know this, teleportation uses the warp, who knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Grey Knights are actually able to hold them in place.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Grants knew they tried and leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as Grimdar tries to teleport back to his ship, the Grey Knights put up a barrier and they stop it, all proud of themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for a moment, he said, then Grimnar is Wolfguard, decide, oh, you just tried to capture the chapter master, nope, and proceed to just cut down for just a car's breaking the containment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which breaks the name and then they all try and jump back to the scrumma sex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what I will say is the Grants could destroy the Scramus X right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing is already disabled.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a fleet of them there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Kisnaro just says whatever, let him go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because he knows if he killed Grimdar and Cold Blood, this becomes a full blown civil war.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has to now have a better plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler alert, he has a better plan than killing Grimdar and Cold Blood, but it's not a good plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of his plans are comically terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we've now entered what becomes the open war phase of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grimdars on to plan D now, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Grimdars just went, yeah, I'm not even pretending to be cool guy anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, hey, I noticed that on today's agenda, it's beat the crap out of the grainites, the acquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so what happens is over the next month or so, great night vessels start disappearing all around the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're through the vessels who are pursuing the veterans of Armageddon, the ship's just disappear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not a really big surprise when they went and looked for them what they found, just
[SPEAKER_00]: avoid damage where they've been completely suddenly attacked and a little bit of psionic testing they discover, oh yeah, the space was that it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we now have a full blown civil war.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a shadow civil war, but it's a full blown civil war.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the issue is size.
[SPEAKER_00]: the inquisition and their total troops and vessels.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's galactic wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, much larger than the space wells.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the space wolves massively outnumber the grain heights.
[SPEAKER_00]: And without the grain heights, the inquisition lose one of their most vital parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the grain heights are being used for
[SPEAKER_01]: such ridiculous you just made you basically had special forces enforcing no jay walking right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is how small this is compared to what they should be doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so I'm around the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kisner is brought in the red hunters.
[SPEAKER_00]: The red hunters are another starting his chapter like the minitars and that but that they're aligned to the inquisition, but they're not
[SPEAKER_00]: grainites, they don't have the emperor's gene seeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the red hunters are weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of, they actually are super weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're known as the only chapter to openly worship the emperor like a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're effectively the word bearers from 30 k. But their purpose is more to be the minions of the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whereas the grainites are meant to fight the archenemy, the problem is that the space was targeting both of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a war right
[SPEAKER_00]: Eh, they can make more of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the space walls wipe out or significantly decrease in the amount of grain nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the imperiums actually endanger, because they don't have a forest that can handle demonic incursions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this war is about to get a real big problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my opinion is that key scenarios knew this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because my opinion is that each step of the way here, key scenarios kept convincing himself that what he was about to do was going to be successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, but this next thing will be, and it's all to kind of cover up from the mistakes of the first one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because now it's decides after about eight months of campaigning, he decides, all right, give up in effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Saying, we're not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: We cannot hunt down these survivors of Armageddon.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll never get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't, at the same time, labeled a space wolves as traitors or heretics.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just can't himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he can't hide himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs them to label themselves as heretics.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where I'm saying, he's at that point now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has to stop hunting down and killing random worlds because the attention's gonna come to him on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is just, we'll not cut his losses in his epic ban.
[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps doubling down.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's chasing a bad bet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing, and that's the best analogy, possibly, chasing a bad bet, because the flip side is seen with the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's now engaged to the space wolf.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to kill the chapter master of the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs the space wolves to be heretics, and the only way to list of the space wolves to convince everybody else that they are heretics by saying they're heretics.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has a new, really good plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: That does not go very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually one of the best parts of that whole book.
[SPEAKER_00]: My whole fair parts of the whole story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kisneros calls all the great nights, all the red hunters, and a bunch of the English position to a meeting point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they'll get this meeting point, he reveals his master plan, which is, oh, the war for the souls of Armageddon is lost, but it's not his fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because of the betrayal of the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's once noble chapter has fallen, and needs to be brought back in line.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his viewpoint is Logan Grimnar wouldn't listen to reason, but someone else in the chapter probably would.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to go to Fenris, and we're going to surround it, and we're going to bomb it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And which is, by the way, the space will shaft their monastery and one of the most important parts of the entire galaxy for them outside of Holy Terran.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, wow, never go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his entire idea is that, well, they will then submit to the inquisition and take their punishment because they wouldn't want their home world to be destroyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I took offense to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this whole thing is going to work because Grimnar and 95% of his fleet are out hunting the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not going to be on Fenrus.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's really no defensive forces there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's correct when they arrive on Fenrus, there was nothing there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a single damaged cruiser, it docked the fan, getting repaired.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the thing is not undefended, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of space wolves are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Fortress Monastery has, it's called a Fortress Monastery for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it dates back to 10,000 plus years when the Imperium could really build stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this thing can actually take quite a pounding.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was made for one of the Emperor's favorite legions to make sure it was safe, so it was done by the best of the mechanic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not some of the stuff that's built in more modern 40K.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Kisneros and the fleet quickly surround to be in bombarding Fenris and the Fang, and he demands a parlay with the Spades Wolves to discuss terms.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this whole part's epically funny, by the way, in the book in a good way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Grindler was out of the galaxy, so he asked for the highest ranking member of the space was to negotiate with him, to which the person on the other side of the phone goes, there is someone but give us four hours to get him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kisneros doesn't read into that at all, and he's just super excited about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It starts making up his delegation party to go down there and get his surrender.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like high-fiving himself thinking about how awesome he is for having this happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so what he does is, but he wants to come off as diplomatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he brings himself, obviously, and he brings hyperion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hyperion, we talk a lot in the last cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have to say, Blade Breaker, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space was no him as Blade Breaker, because he broke and Grons Blade.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a heroic tale that has spread the entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every space wolf basically knows the
[SPEAKER_00]: and he brings on a girl's daughter as well, because she was born on Fenris and has a strong attach in the road.
[SPEAKER_00]: In his idea, he's trying to show authority, but also compassion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I don't want to wipe you out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that you are a noble chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to take your punishment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then everything will be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're hanging out on this dock, it's a miss-based dock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the fact that they said we're going to send our representative, but we need a little while, because they had to wake him, because they're representative, they went,
[SPEAKER_01]: shit's going down.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do and shit goes down?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we wake up Bjorn the fell handed and he shows up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, to go again, Bjorn's a venerable dread not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been around for yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's also
[SPEAKER_01]: gives, he's also the communist dread not ever, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: He consistently talks people into stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I would be able to calm people down and win arguments too if I was a giant non-strosity of a dread not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, well, well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this sentence epic by the way, because the dread not walks in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately, Monica recognized it being crying because she came believe that it's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hyperion starts reading the side of the sarcophagi, realizes who it is, and drops to and ne, as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Kisneros is just having a lecture and talking and talking and talking, and has a moment of the wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is everyone around me kneeling in front of this dreadnought?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it has a great line where he says, I've given you my name.
[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't given me yours.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we can't, partly till you tell me your name to which Bjorn goes, it's written on the side of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an hyperion has to translate, telling his narrows, this is Bjorn the fell handed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was alive with the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's what he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talks that he says he fought at the side of the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he actually liked me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a line he used of the Kisnerus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do what's Kisnerus is kind of now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a fun little like moment of power flip.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell this person what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking to someone who stood next to the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in battle more than once.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't look good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't lunch with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another really great line of it is this kiss narrows for first.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the god emperor and Bjorn refers back to god emperor That's what got us into this whole mess to begin with great on a great little life But before kiss narrows can even get his feet back underneath him to try to negotiate with Bjorn They get another phone call and it's a bad one grim notice here And he's in a move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wait a second script.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was here with
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, space was.
[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely did the ring everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: The entire space will fleet has translated the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And unlike the last time, they didn't come in, sheels down guns down.
[SPEAKER_00]: They came in firing and began a completely attacking, a inquisitably that wasn't even in a defensive formation because they didn't think there was any chance of attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rear was completely unguarded.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is because as soon as the inquisition arrived in orbit, obviously the fangs sent a distress call out to the entirety and Logan and the rest of the space wolves heard it and went the fangs in trouble on my way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my beard, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the story is kind of cool here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've told this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Travelling through the warp is complicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really taxing on the ship and the navigators.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even though the further you have to go in the warp, the rougher it is, and you'll pay a cost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Navigators die quite often in warp travel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is pretty badass because Logan decides to get the room priest together and go, I need to get here now.
[SPEAKER_01]: What can you do about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we cheat this?
[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is, yes, but but all the room priest will die in doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'd be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: The room priest all were like, yeah, okay, no problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And things and attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's how they look at the effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space will fleet does almost an impossible trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: They make what should have been a maybe month long journey.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, 12 hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, they broke a few speed limits.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm getting at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kisneros returns the bridge of his ship along with Hyperion and Anika just in time for the spaceful fleet to basically be on top of them and Kisneros, again, he is quite clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: He begins coordinating this whole naval engagement, trying to fight back, but it's a feudal effort because...
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you say he's doing a good job of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's giving orders as he's getting pummeled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, and also, it's kind of hard to do it because the issue is like, when you're doing a space battle, most of these like, like, all naval engagements, you tend to kind of keep some distance, make some range of figure out the space wolves where on flank speed going straight ahead, running basically rampage speeds, rampage speeds, smashing shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fantastic on this, because they were just like, nope, and you got to die, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this scene is also because the space was coming hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the scrim socks, scramma socks, scramma socks, scramma socks, I apologize, spaceball offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: These names are hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you guys love your ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: And anyway, scramma socks is comes bearing right down in Kissnarrows' ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just before it makes contact, turns to the side a little bit and gives a full broad side into Kissnarrows' ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: not to destroy it, just enough to pull the shields down, which is all he wanted in the first place because Grimnar wanted to go have a chat with Kiznodderals.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, he teleported on board and then you've got Grimnar.
[SPEAKER_01]: where we'll terminate our armor, which by the way is awesome looking because it has all the pelts and all the, oh, so sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, Brad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how much you love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woohoo!
[SPEAKER_01]: The best is he shows up and terminate our armor is known to be super slow and plodd.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's invulnerable, but you can barely move on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Grimd armor decides, yeah, those rules don't apply to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he starts sprinting in his terminator armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot to mention he's also like,
[SPEAKER_01]: yellow swagging everything in front of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just watering things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have to pause this for a second because in the book they do make a really big deal out of him running in Terminator armor and how it's impossible and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but we do a lower podcast so I read a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually happens all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apped out ran in Terminator Armor all the time in 30k, still doesn't 40k.
[SPEAKER_00]: The white scars used to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember the white scars that they were an army at one point in this game?
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the lead character in Dawn of War, there's dark angels' books where the deathmen nights are running.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just pointing it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not running.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Deathwing Knights move a great speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about killing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they move it great speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not running.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: You will not poo on the roof.
[SPEAKER_00]: So are you saying that Deathwing Knights are the masters of power walking and they've had terminated her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm running.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like old people at the mall.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... are you maces of absolution you check it with us that you don't hurt yourself uh... right well he does have a scratch here we both know that it's all you would be you're mace of absolution might might might may serve scratching my back because i can't reach
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it still sounds awesome for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a plus four magic, I don't know, but so he runs across the bridge doing holy crap things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he finds the person that's been giving him a lot of problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can only imagine just the pure anger.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, it's got to be the thing of Grimner starts off with, well, he's not going to do this, because this would be ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, up it and he won't do this because this will be ridiculous and so on and so forth until finally gets to this and he's like, you got to go man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so he cuts his narrows as head from clean off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Problem though, is that he wasn't coming there just to cut the head off the snake.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's there to kill the entire snake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was gonna say he's taking the snake and he's beating it on the ground, chopping it up and throwing it into a fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he kills his narrows.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at this moment in the novel, as everyone's watching him do this, that's when they realize there's 20 or 30 other wolf guard also on the This wolf guard terminators are coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is so ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even see this many terminators very often.
[SPEAKER_00]: They begin slaughtering everyone that is pretty evident at this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space walls are going to make the Grey Knight's extinct.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the purpose of this, along with everyone else.
[SPEAKER_00]: The entire collision fleet, this Grimnar is all in on civil war.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he begins just a wholesale slaughter across this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: including Hyperion, Mal, Onica.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're barely holding on at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, I think Grimnar was like, basically, it was crushing Mal under one of his boots to kill him.
[SPEAKER_00]: When a even bigger flash of light happens, and
[SPEAKER_00]: Bjorn has teleported himself under the ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a great time in this book because Bjorn shows up, and he's not there to continue crushing the acquisition.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's there to talk old man wisdom into the Great Wolf.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, what it's to tell Grimnar, hey man, we got to dial this back basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he does it a great way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is that Bjorn's just respected period
[SPEAKER_00]: Bjorn is only not the yarl of the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's because the downside of being 10, something like a thousand years old, he has to sleep for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll just go crazy if you're a week's time in a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when awake, he is in effect the yarl.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he comes in there and him and Grimnar start having a check.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Grimnar is, by the way, having this check while still crushing malinduras boot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he had 100% on team.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I want to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a cute scene where Bjorn refers to Grimnar
[SPEAKER_00]: And it grew by with the oldest person around outside of obviously Bjorn.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he does, and he does convince Grimnar to the blood rage suits the assault stops.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, I would say there's a... Not done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a few caveats here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond calmly looks over at Anika and goes, hey, just an FYI, inquisition, no fendrous period, off limits.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just let you know, it says, we'll fire upon it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll blow up anything you send here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't send your agents.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything that's gonna be equal up here is anywhere near fendrous, we will destroy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not, you have lost our trust,
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I think he does, which is super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: He turns to Hyperion and says all right, you're coming down to the Fang and you're going to explain to every single space wolf.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a great night is, which is code for you're going to tell the entirety of the space wolf's the truth about the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What what chaos is, what it represents everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And hyper and kind of goes, yeah, that's he was fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to agree to whatever Bjorn says, because I feel that Logan is someone makes a loud noise that he doesn't like, and he's just going to go back into the rage.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also standing in between, at this point, probably right in between Logan, who's holding an axe and Bjorn, who is still a venerable dread not like, you're no, you may not get to the, oh, part of the pronoun.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went to the fire like, he tells him, you're going to go explain to everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, smash, pull the next guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to explain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So while this then satisfies the space walls for now, the war is over, sort of.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space walls also recognize though that this is probably just the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space walls realized that they just went to war with the Imperium and they emerged victorious, but the Inquisition would be back.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisition, I rightly feel the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't, yes, Kisnerus was weird, but the space wolves just went to open war with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space wolves, they can be story, they can be releasing, but they just stood against the inquisition in opposition.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the Space Wolves had no real consequences for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's an affront that could not stand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's fun about this, there's no actual proof of what they did, but the inquisition they've been working behind the scenes on ways to clip the wings of the Space Wolves, you know, to bring them the heel later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they did it by infiltrating games workshop and making sure that the Space Wolves actually rules the last three editions.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's the longest they were good for three months?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of things are like that though because the space was typically What kind of a bit of a science But like are you out of your mind space was really really good and then get nerfed space was gonna get nerfed But they always get too hard nerfed
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get bad rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they get a weird rule shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the inquisition gets involved and they get really bad again.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the big one, though, is the grainites in this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The grainites left the ordeal kind of independent.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a major shift for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: much like the inquisition, they realized they can't fully trust the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And while they may have somewhat agreed with things Logan did, they also did agree in principle with what the inquisition was doing in Armageddon.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lost
[SPEAKER_00]: their problem is they look at the space we'll say the space we'll don't seem to understand the real threat that is the arch enemy.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys and it kind of isn't maybe all of the authorities don't fully understand how serious this war we have with the immaterial is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time they also looked at the inquisition and said, I don't we can't really be that aligned with you guys either.
[SPEAKER_01]: they were using them and also they didn't have them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were also using like the you typically do which the inquisition to be fair has effectively unlimited resources.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and the grain nights aren't unlimited and the grain nights didn't really want to be used as a throwaway tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they have these are a star days with a gene seed of the emperor, they're also really hard to recruit for.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are not easy numbers to make up for and they lost a ton of people and the war of armor getting and more importantly in the months of shame.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, they then start shifting themselves to being a bit more of an independent faction.
[SPEAKER_00]: We get a lot more in Dregos that takes over.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they become their own faction where they're doing, yes, they're still aligned with the auto-malious, but now it's more of a partnership than an arm of the auto-malious.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will take, hey, you guys should go here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys should help out here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Green Hat's going to look at that and say, yes, maybe we will.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's our terms, and we'll do it how we want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big shift that kind of moves stuff into certain directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would also argue, and I don't know if it's true, that this war of Armageddon is maybe the shift we see in lore of the citizenry of the Imperium, learning more about chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is possible, I mean, all right, zong made up guys, but still, it is possible that
[SPEAKER_00]: All of these people who survived the war, all these soldiers who then were on random plants, telling tales about fighting demons and doing this stuff, this may be why I'm like current 40K lore, a lot of the citizenry, especially the regiments, are all aware of chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: My theory, total junk theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, War of Armageddon, we covered it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's still two more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we covered it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't cover the wars.
[SPEAKER_01]: We covered it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A war.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first fourth, whatever number of War of Armageddon this was, but this was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked it a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do more of them in the future, but we haven't covered chaos in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a new year, so let's get after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to side between night lords, iron warriors in the region, and I'm going to do alpha legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am Elfarius.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alpha Legion or fun, I think it's gonna be a really good one for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we should do night lords.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just my thinking is, I think we're able to know night lord lords, Alpha Legion lords a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go, fear a lot more complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's also a bunch of stuff is may or may not be canon.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, well, it's not that stuff may or not be canon.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of stuff that's canon that may or not may or might not be true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's so fun about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's all canon.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then it's conflicting and the answer is, yes, they are a very fun Legion jump-in-do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no idea this can be too cast, three cast, whatever it is because I gotta start writing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're gonna do Alpha Legion super excited about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really cool paint scheme too if I'm being honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: But get to the excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: But till next time, John Barcati, Brad Chester, this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys next week.