[SPEAKER_02]: Hey everybody, welcome back to The Great Mulk and Lane podcast where queer friends and allies gathered to review and discuss the original X-Men comics and continuity order.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to be releasing this in mid-December.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're closing the show out in 2025, with one last script reading in each of our epic groups.
[SPEAKER_02]: And today is my all-brit crew episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Brit crew me and a girl named London.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be reading the scripts from Captain America 9 through 12.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing four issues kind of all block together because these are really short stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just needs to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So 9 through 12.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain Britain issue 9 begins in December of his release in December 1976.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is by Chris Claremont, her trippy with Fred Kita on EX, Georgia, Russes on Colors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Irving the ton of beyond letters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Larry Lieber is the editor on both books that we're going to be at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it all four books that we're going to be reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh the first story is called demon fire and the second is called dagger of the mind and we will be pausing there in a moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Chad Anderson.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be reading your narrator today.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm James Lee Campbell and I'll be reading Captain Britain again.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm Giza Goble.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll be
[SPEAKER_05]: My name is Robin Moffat.
[SPEAKER_07]: I will be receiving a Baptist tonight for my performances as the demon and the women on Christmas I'm gonna be doing make most of my and Jamie Braddock plus the man now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not the mastermind from X-Men fame This is mastermind the sentient computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be getting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a huge character in Captain Britain It's being introduced and our last cast member.
[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all my name is Lundid Villamere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am playing Betsy Braddock and a civilian
[SPEAKER_02]: Marvel Comics group presents the newest and greatest superhero of all, Captain Britain only 10, Pence, and in full color!
[SPEAKER_02]: Shock-file-o-shock when Captain Britain battles the demon creatures of Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cover, Captain Britain is having the worst threesome of his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: One green demon is choking him while the other wraps itself around his thigh, and both are shoving him toward the hellfire below against the backdrop of Kraggy Rock stretching into a golden sky, and hey James Lee Campbell has had worse Saturday nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like I'm quite excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: And looming large is the evil face of Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin he likes to watch when student physicists Brian Braddock rubbs his mystic amulet and you guys rubbs is in the text.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not me adding.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do use the word.
[SPEAKER_02]: He transforms into Britain's super heroic champion of justice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dan Lee presents Captain Bryson in Demon Fire, only moments ago what should have been a normal landing at a private west country airfield has turned into tragedy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now Captain Bryton has smashed free of its burning wreckage only to come face-to-face with the most bizarre menace of his brief career.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a plane burns behind them, our costume hero Neal's and the following snow, creating the unconscious form of his own twin sister Betsy Braddock.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the distance, a white-haired maniac, clad in black, his cape blowing in the wind, sits a stride of black horse.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was monsters that pulled your aircraft from the sky and ravaged the girl's mind, monster spawned by the demon dreams of docked her sin, and as I destroyed the girl's mind, so shall I, now destroy yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: The madman gestures, and a ball of fire appears in his hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sound effect?
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[SPEAKER_06]: With quick thinking, Captain Britain got better against Betty Braddock to safety before being hit with the fire shazam Whatever that refugee from a tale of two city said about imaginary monsters, this fireball is really enough And let's get Betsy out of here lucky that Sin is no marksman there.
[SPEAKER_06]: She should be safe behind this tree wait heat behind me It's the fireball coming at me like a homing missile.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's moving too fast.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't dodge ah my body
[SPEAKER_06]: shaken, aching, almost as though I'd be electrocuted and here comes Dr.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sin to finish me off.
[SPEAKER_06]: My legs are too numb to run.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll have to stand in the fight.
[SPEAKER_06]: Fight is only Captain Britain can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now in a minute we're going to see Captain Britain use his scientific acumen again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's smart, but if a ball of fire hits you, it should not feel like you've been electrocuted.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say that's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin, another fireball in his fist, rushes at the hero on horseback, but Captain Britain manages to grab his battle staff.
[SPEAKER_02]: The villain is dismounted, crashing into the snow with a flump.
[SPEAKER_06]: How's it feel to be able to receive again for a change, charm, sensation, returning to my legs.
[SPEAKER_06]: All pins and needles, but at last now I can take the battle to Sin himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard of you, Captain.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Superhero who caused such a feroir in London.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you'll find I'm more than Matt.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll find I'm more than your match.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard of you captain, this superhero who caused such a feroir in London, but you'll find I'm more than your match.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's tell you what the discussion is all about, and now sin is time to... What?
[SPEAKER_06]: He was right in front of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where did he go?
[SPEAKER_02]: With a pop, God decend effects in this issue are amazing in their way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin disappears and reappears directly behind our hero.
[SPEAKER_06]: Over here my dear captain howin if I went to sporting man you'd be dead by no He's right last him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't defeat an enemy who's unreachable.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm touchable.
[SPEAKER_02]: What intruders?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably a car pulls up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a land rover from the man or coming to investigate the crash
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love when you do this so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: It always makes me laugh.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a Land Rover from the Manor.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've come to investigate the crash.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do not spread my power over too many victims.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not till it's fully developed.
[SPEAKER_03]: But before I take my leave, Captain Britain, I'll show you just how an adequate your muscular prowess is against the matchless mind of doctors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sins that one old gay man at the bar that just won't take no for an answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: All too real.
[SPEAKER_02]: Teams of beams of pink energy fire out of the eyes of Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sins, striking Captain Britain with a dazzling light that burns the hero's mind and seers into his soul.
[SPEAKER_06]: That light from his eyes, it's dazzling me burning into my mind, fearing my very soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain Britain turns, takes a step forward towards sin and tries to grab him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the very earth opens up beneath his feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took a step towards sin to grab him and open beneath my feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: The captain falls through the earth into the flames below, where monstrous, miserable creatures snarl in the flames while winged demons fly overhead.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's insane.
[SPEAKER_06]: This can't be happening.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's impossible.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yet every sense I have tells me I'm falling into Hades.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain Britain is determined to take my role as the narrator, so I'm just going to make him eat it every line.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the demon's yells as he picks up Captain Britain, ready to toss our heroes into the torture explains below.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, Brian Grattich, for Hades, is where all sinners are said, the Sarah of the devil for eternity.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you ought to center our, you know, a man responsible for his patent's death.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was an accident.
[SPEAKER_04]: I never meant, and they forgave me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh God, for this means nothing here, you men.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is Headies.
[SPEAKER_04]: All never turn into despair.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm ending that nation as you shall never lair.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, crushing me without my thoughts, fires, so for stench choking me, but I can't.
[SPEAKER_06]: I won't give in.
[SPEAKER_06]: Must be all my imagination.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like the monster's Betsy saw, but it seems so.
[SPEAKER_06]: So horribly real.
[SPEAKER_06]: I must deny it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an illusion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nothing more.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to be and illusions can be resisted.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yet what if I'm not dreaming?
[SPEAKER_06]: What if this is real?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, all my instincts tell me otherwise and instincts were all I've left to believe in if I deny them and succumb to sin's illusion And this nightmare will become my reality.
[SPEAKER_06]: I remain here forever.
[SPEAKER_06]: I must fight the illusion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Fight it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This sounds a lot like me trying to overcome my queerness as a kid is like did Mormon demons told me I was gonna burn in hell if I didn't
[SPEAKER_02]: And Brian Braddock awakens back in the real world, still in the snowstorm and a brown coat and green scarf.
[SPEAKER_02]: His brother Jamie Cleanshaven with feathered brown hair, wears blue jeans and an orange coat.
[SPEAKER_02]: His left foot is in a cast and he walks using a crutch.
[SPEAKER_02]: While Jamie aids Brian, Mick, the family servant, is helping a disoriented Betsy back into the car.
[SPEAKER_07]: Brian lad, you're right, make get some brownie from the flask, quickly man.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, sir, Jamie, it really you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, little brother, you saved that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Head still pounding from sins nightmare, but I changed back to Brian Bradley without willing it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did Jamie see the transformation?
[SPEAKER_06]: Did he discover my secrets and even worse, to Dr.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sin?
[SPEAKER_05]: Never a dull moment working for the Braddock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Soon, a troubled youth arrives at Braddock Manor, which was built a quarter millennium ago by a victorious general home from the European wars on land that's been part of the Braddock heritage since before the Romans came, land steeped in history, land a house, a family that today are all under siege, and soon within Downton Abbey itself.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm glad you recovered so quickly from your car crash, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm April.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm invulnerable for that crash?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, accident.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was a declaration of war between me and sin.
[SPEAKER_07]: Who is sin, Jamie?
[SPEAKER_07]: What does he want?
[SPEAKER_07]: power to control both the bodies and minds of men.
[SPEAKER_02]: The three siblings take refuge in a palatial room with golden wallpaper, Mick serves them all hot drinks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Betsy, particularly still seems disoriented.
[SPEAKER_07]: The legendary Dr.
[SPEAKER_07]: Sin, Russell Thondy, scarecrow Romney Marsh, was a fighter against tyranny and justice and injustice.
[SPEAKER_07]: Our doctor's sin was deliberately preventing the name and the memory.
[SPEAKER_07]: He started his raid of terror, a month ago, and the local farms and villages.
[SPEAKER_07]: Didn't anyone try to stop him?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a number of people, including the county chief comes to book.
[SPEAKER_07]: Every pastor's confronted sin has been transformed into his devoted slave.
[SPEAKER_06]: Except Captain Britain, he was super powerful enough to overcome sin's hypnotic spell.
[SPEAKER_02]: The eerie visage of Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin appears through the window and a flash of light before Betsy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The light, dazzling, flashing at me through through the window.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your will is mine, Betsy Bradel, now I'm forever to do with as I please.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I please is dressing up in pretty dresses.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the plumes.
[SPEAKER_02]: and a moment later, Betsy wakes up, but her brother suddenly appeared to her as horrific monsters and a hell dimension once again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mystic visuals in the air above them silently, Betsy reaches for an ancestral battle axe hanging on the wall above her head.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, monsters, the same ones that attacked my plane, somehow they've captured me and taken me into their own hideous worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's even more horrible, I remember these creatures killing Jamie and Brian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they'll surely slay me unless I can strike first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Careful girl, not a sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've made it this far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't muck things up now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, Brian, that's the situation, but enough of my badly.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've been neglecting, let's say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Die, monsters, you killed my brother, and you'll pay for it, so help me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Betsy's waving that acts like a mad woman.
[SPEAKER_06]: Only Captain Britain would have the power to restrain her, but if I switch to him now, I reveal my secret identity.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yet, if I don't, Betsy may well kill us both.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next, daggers of the mind, in which Betsy Braddock tries to be an ax murderer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that story?
[SPEAKER_02]: The first, a Captain Written Fun page, match Captain Written with his shadow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how many words can you find in America, which is not a game I want to play in 2025?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, on the shoot 10, the cover.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin is added a fashionable yellow sash to his thigh high leather boots, black tunic mini skirt, hopped collar with a brooch to clasp it.
[SPEAKER_02]: White sleeves, flared red cape look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Slee the fallen monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: You Betsy Braddock, who's wearing a green blouse with matching scarf, leather belt, orange pants.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's the kind of angry only a brunette Brit could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, master.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear I obey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the ground, Captain Britain clutches his battle staff in the snow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't fight back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to against my own sister.
[SPEAKER_02]: With Braddock Manor in the background, it's superhero versus mad woman, brother versus sister.
[SPEAKER_02]: See the nightmare in a house divided.
[SPEAKER_02]: But actually the story's called Danger of the Mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, things were just fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then suddenly, Betsy Braddock is trying to chop her brother, Janine, but she splits a table apart instead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this axe is fucking huge, you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at the art, it's enormous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, but to her, they don't look like the Braddock Brothers at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamie, look out, space has gone berserk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sir, you killed my brothers, but you're a long way from killing me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Madness, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, consider things from Betsy Braddock's point of view.
[SPEAKER_02]: One minute, she's sitting safe and serene in the morning room of Braddock Manor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the next, she's surrounded by demon things out of her most horrible nightmares.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in a truly insane panel because this woman weighs like 102 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: She swings an axe and cuts down a table and a full cabinet at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scram, like it's not a chainsaw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Small wonder that she reacts that she does, the miracle is that she's able to stand and fight at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dye, let's say, ooh, she almost takes Brian's head off.
[SPEAKER_06]: Down Brian, one wrong move here in the UK will be looking for a new superhero.
[SPEAKER_06]: Betsy's playing for keeps.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's giving Jamie and me no chance to catch our breath to defend ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: who true Brian as your twin sister suddenly shifts her deadly attention from you to your brother and back again, what she almost takes Jamie's leg off.
[SPEAKER_07]: My bad, like, it's in my way, slowing me down.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a sitting duck for Betsey's axe.
[SPEAKER_06]: At last, I got you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I pretend to attack to draw her away from Jamie, but she's reacting fast and I expected.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, my arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says as he bumps it on a chair, like he didn't get hurt in any way, but like his arm got bumped and he's like, oh no, my arm anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: You
[SPEAKER_01]: one horror down and out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now for the other one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamie snags his leg on another chair and starts falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fucking chairs everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: My leg, it's snanked on the chair.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot can happen in the blink of an eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Case in point as Betsy raises the axe to behead Jamie and Brian gives a little rub rub, rub on a certain amulet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jamie's down.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's finished unless I stop Betsy and I can't.
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't the strength of speed to cope with a mad woman, especially with my wounded arm.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if Brian Braddock can't do a thing Captain Bryson can, it would mean revealing my secret identity, but that matters little when my brother's life is at stake.
[SPEAKER_06]: Moments, time flashing by fast too fast.
[SPEAKER_06]: Betsy, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm a pretty psych of your brother!
[SPEAKER_06]: Jamie has only seconds left.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've got to be right on target with my first try.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've done it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now fully in costume Captain Bryton hits the axe with his red, white and blue stave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kang!
[SPEAKER_01]: Something else is in the room attacking me, but what, oh no, please, no!
[SPEAKER_02]: The scream is terrifying, torn from the depths of Betsy Braddock's soul and small wonder for what we see to be Captain Britain, Betsy's tormented mind, sees as the most fearsome monster of the lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sight, smell, hearing, faced, touch, all her senses are revolted by the slavering, giboring thing before her.
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of looks like Hank McCoy except Drooling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, and yet even now, she does not panic.
[SPEAKER_02]: She attacks without her axe.
[SPEAKER_02]: She leaps right into Captain Britain and knocks him back where through a window.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scratch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's useless.
[SPEAKER_04]: My words have no effect on her.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's out of a mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you're bigger and stronger than I.
[SPEAKER_01]: monster, but no matter what the odds, we bradix don't give up without a fight.
[SPEAKER_06]: She speaks of monsters, just as in the plane when she fantasized demons that made her crash.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sin hypnotized her then, made her seen non-existent creatures, perhaps he's doing it again, and if he is, then he must be close by, controlling Betsy through the hypnotic powers of his demon dreams.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there he is!
[SPEAKER_02]: The two brattics land in the snow, and that's he's got her axe still, but now it's like the size of a hammer, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bizarre art choices.
[SPEAKER_02]: And often the distance, there's a man still on horseback.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why, now Captain Britain has attempted to foil my plans.
[SPEAKER_03]: He alone is resistant to my power, and that makes him dangerous.
[SPEAKER_06]: Too dangerous to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain Britain dodges a swing from the axe, which is now about the size of a tennis racket, but then it shrinks to the size of a frying pan by the next panel, and then knocks Betsy over in Pinsor Arms, while Jamie comes outside to investigate the weird hero on top of his sister in the snow.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was if she were trying to fight off sins control, but now she's struggling like a tiger again, and to make matters worse, here comes brother James.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Brian, what are you going on here?
[SPEAKER_06]: Calm down, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've enough trouble without you shouting out my secrets.
[SPEAKER_06]: As for Betsy, a simple nerve pinch should put her to sleep, leaving me free to come from the real villain of the piece.
[SPEAKER_06]: Stay with Sis Jamie.
[SPEAKER_06]: Watch over her.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's gone.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was here a moment ago.
[SPEAKER_06]: The hoof prints and broken branches prove it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, at least the fresh snow will make it easy to follow the trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately, an unexpected wind suddenly blows up, and...
[SPEAKER_06]: The shifting snow is obliterate the tracks up ahead, sinners as lucky as he is dangerous.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's made his escape.
[SPEAKER_02]: After a fruitless search, Cap returns to the manner, and to his brother's unending questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll ask all your questions later.
[SPEAKER_02]: After we've got him Betsy to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, but Mike, that sounds as good once.
[SPEAKER_07]: Four blocks, likes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mortar Research Center, not far from the snow-swept hills that surround Braddock Manor, and the only clinic for 50 miles, a clinic that specializes in diseases of the mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Inside, Betsy is suspended on a table with her head in the biggest fishbowl ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming she's just doing it to get a perm here, like it looks kind of like that imagery, but behind her a wall of massive machinery is placed.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're different, Unibron, changed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Inside, as well as a house.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've seen a lot of these past weeks, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_06]: What I'm saying, I've talked with God.
[SPEAKER_06]: I stood with an enchanted surgeon took on the powers and responsibilities of a superhero.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, for all Captain Britain's power, I couldn't do a blasted thing to protect my sister from Dr.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_06]: Superheroes?
[SPEAKER_06]: Super villains?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's all like an incredible dream.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm one of the protagonists.
[SPEAKER_06]: Be a wielded by forces beyond human understanding.
[SPEAKER_06]: So until I can sort out this madness, I want you to remain silent about what you've learned this day.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, how well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in Walk's Doctor Ramsay, a tall man with the weirdest chin beard.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wears a red tie and brown coat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Officer Doc, how is she?
[SPEAKER_03]: As well as can be expected.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's resting now.
[SPEAKER_03]: We plan to keep her at more door for more tests.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing to worry about just a routine precaution.
[SPEAKER_03]: The best thing you to can do is go home and get some sleep yourselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you'd prefer to stay, but if you do, you'll only be getting in the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So hop it both of you, I'll ring you first thing tomorrow morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: The brothers are gone, Master, and the girl is being prepared.
[SPEAKER_03]: We will begin extensive brainwashing this evening.
[SPEAKER_03]: She will have no memory of our indoctrination sessions, but within a day she will be yours to come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, the maniacal Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin is there too!
[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent, my dear Ramsie, normally I dislike using such good methods, but my own powers are not yet sufficient to control the girl adequately.
[SPEAKER_03]: The delicious irony of it all that the unsuspecting brother should deliver the sister right to my doorstep that I may shape her into the weapon of their own destruction.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's next time in burn, which burn.
[SPEAKER_02]: But first, this issue's Captain Britain fun page is a lion of avalon maze with a note that reads, even Richard the Lionheart would be afraid to enter this maze, but not you, oh true, believer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And remember, the shortest distance between two points is not a straight lion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ugh, there's also a word puzzle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both these books came out in 1976.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to continue with Captain Britain 11 and 12.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same creative team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain Britain 11, the newest and greatest superhero of all is only 10 Pence!
[SPEAKER_02]: Our hero dressed in his red suit with the lion of Avalon on his chest is rushing for with his battle staff behind him a row of homes and in front a woman has been chained to the stake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Men with torches surround her, one man fires a shot and a bullet narrowly misses her head.
[SPEAKER_02]: The woman has her arms behind her, she's wearing a collared yellow shirt, green pants, huge brown leather belt and black boots.
[SPEAKER_05]: For a fact, they'll kill you too.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I can't let you burn.
[SPEAKER_07]: Captain Brande, stop him, in the name of Dr.
[SPEAKER_07]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Superhero battles, Morgon Madd.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stan Lee presents Captain Britain, having barely escaped a murderous attack upon himself and his brother by their hypnotized sister, Brande is a bloodbrettic manner to seek solace in silence in the countryside.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now, even this respite is shattered by the bone-shilling cry of burn, which
[SPEAKER_02]: burn, and those menacing cries grow ever louder in the ears of the pursuit.
[SPEAKER_02]: A young couple from a nearby village who are fleeing for their very lives when the women slips in the snow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, I wish we could.
[SPEAKER_02]: In an instant, the angry mob is upon them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now we have the witches from blood on the spot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hold on there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's keep this thing civilized, shall we?
[SPEAKER_06]: Who's the flaming head to you?
[SPEAKER_06]: Captain Brickson, now calm down and let's get to the bottom of this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Chad, if you want to jump in, you're still missing the point.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a chaplain, he's way to a costume ball, I'm a flesh and blood superhero.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sun and Lestua hearings impaired, you'd best listen when I speak.
[SPEAKER_06]: My tough talk stopped them for a moment, a moment to figure out how to avoid a confrontation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, as time seems to stand still, we open on Captain Britain facing off against a group of armed men in the snow, but let's go back a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: The mind behind the mask of Captain Britain whisks back a few hours, Brian and a yellow coat stands with his brother Jamie in their home.
[SPEAKER_07]: My brother, the costume hero, all Britain is talking about, I can't believe it!
[SPEAKER_06]: I share your incredulity, but nonetheless, it's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: Precent actual forces and a capricious fate of somehow conspired to affect the impossible.
[SPEAKER_06]: So until I've had time to think, to sort things out, let's speak no more of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Brian fled Braddock Manor, seeking refuge in the surrounding forest, and seeking answers to all the perplexing problems besting Britain's first superhero.
[SPEAKER_02]: but still the answers would not come until finally after hours of aimless wandering Brian Braddock rubbs his amulet and changes form he runs grips the tree branch then another vaulting himself up on a rock base and the snow while talking to himself.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you can't help yourself, perhaps Captain Britain can.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now that I've touched the amulet and changed into my alter ego, I'll give it a go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm off, leaving ten times higher than a normal man possibly could.
[SPEAKER_06]: The exhilaration is always indescribable.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's as if Brian Braddock no longer exists.
[SPEAKER_06]: The very sky seems mind-commanding graceful, acrobatic movements.
[SPEAKER_06]: eat your heart out, Brian.
[SPEAKER_06]: Perhaps that's the answer I've been searching for.
[SPEAKER_06]: The way to end the identity crisis that I've been suffering, just a moment ago I was talking as if I was someone other than myself.
[SPEAKER_06]: I totally different person, but of course I am, at least physically, which must produce profound changes in my personality.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wait, slow down.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't simply kill Daphol Brian, or can I?
[SPEAKER_02]: The identity crisis that he's finally suffering, like, oh, a magic lady gave me a new body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I should figure out what the hell that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: The before any conclusion can emerge from the reigning confusion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh-oh, looks as if the self-analysis session will have to wait.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's angry armed mob just over the rise, and pursuit of two unarmed people.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, all the odds Brian Bradford choose to face, but the captain Bryson is the right cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Suddenly Captain Britain's reverie is shattered by the crushing force of reality, a mob is attacked, and one hits the hero with the butt of a gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thud!
[SPEAKER_02]: Super hero!
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you're super hero!
[SPEAKER_02]: Quick, swam the wally storm!
[SPEAKER_02]: But the young lion of London is not about to be overwhelmed, and steady launches a counterattack.
[SPEAKER_02]: First, lashing out with this staff, then using it to vault out of harm's way, and finally swooping back into the very midst of the attackers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't always believe what a chap says, but in my case, you should have memorized each word.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the custom warrior would be less confident if he could see an all-too familiar, cloaked figure, lurking sinisterly behind the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: A mysterious white-haired man on a black horse is often the distance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin?
[SPEAKER_03]: So once more, Captain Britain deals to interfere with my master plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let him, for this battle, most surely will be his last.
[SPEAKER_03]: So swear I, Doctor Sim!
[SPEAKER_06]: But back to our hero, who's knocking a gun aside.
[SPEAKER_06]: odd.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought I had things under control, but suddenly I seemed to be tiring, while my phone was gross.
[SPEAKER_06]: From her.
[SPEAKER_03]: The villagers are fading more fiercely than ever, there's no chance of them losing now, not with the mental essence of doctors sin flowing through directly into their minds.
[SPEAKER_02]: the mental essence flowing through cheese, kinky.
[SPEAKER_02]: The villain wears a collar higher than his own hair, and has a swirling hypnotic brooch holding it close.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know where your second win has come from, but it's still isn't enough to defeat me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe you can't give it a proper lick at night, but we'll still finish off the witches.
[SPEAKER_07]: I did it my sights, and I even used to keep me but from blasting them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian throws his staff, hitting the man in the gut.
[SPEAKER_06]: Fuck!
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't worry, folks.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll have you safely away from this in no time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And remember that innocent guy and his wife from earlier?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still cowering over there with his wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch out, behind you.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another bloke with a gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the warning comes too late, and a load of double-out shot explodes directly toward Captain Britain's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: At such close range, the deadly charge slams into its valiant victim with the force of a lightning blast, rendering him unconscious, and propelling him toward the edge of a cliff where his limp form rolls over the edge and plummets helplessly downward toward certain death, hitting the ground with a sickening thud, Captain Britain lies motionless, no longer a threat to the throng watching from above.
[SPEAKER_02]: But even as the mob angrily turns back to their initial prey, a spark of life still remains within the mind of the fallen hero, remains to grow and multiply into a new life force, an unexplainable power which slowly draws the brain back from the endless void of darkness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, some hours later, the grim veil of death has disappeared, leaving only a shimmering fog of semi-consciousness, and though he knows not why Captain Britain lives, and the civilian man
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, one could have survived that fall.
[SPEAKER_06]: Unless we were somehow protected by a supernatural power.
[SPEAKER_06]: The girl who was with you, what happened to her?
[SPEAKER_06]: A mob or a managed to escape, but they've taken her to the village too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know their plans, just pray that we arrive in time.
[SPEAKER_06]: The village is just not a fear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, let's get cracking.
[SPEAKER_06]: And understand this whole ghastly affair.
[SPEAKER_06]: We were never harmed anyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why would the accusers of which craft?
[SPEAKER_06]: Perhaps it's not so baffling as it seems at least not if my suspicions prove true suspicions that this nightmare was spawned by the Diabolical mind of Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin Did you guys ever seen young Frankenstein and whenever they announced that for our characters name There's like a horse sound off in the background like I feel like we need something every time we say Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin There needs to be like a
[SPEAKER_03]: Da ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_06]: Some 15 minutes later, they are gathered in the square, a minus mob, decent people helplessly acting under a sinister control must stop them, we must, don't worry, I intend to.
[SPEAKER_07]: The female is a witch, none of us will be safe until she's destroyed, like the torch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next issue, Captain Britain and Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin face the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did not miss it, but first to Captain Britain fun page, find as many invisible women in a jumble as you can, and rhyme some words with read, those don't have anything to do with Captain Britain.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, Captain Britain 12 and fluke lore!
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin is all muscular and glowing with energy, standing even larger than Captain Britain whose battle staff is glancing off the villain's force field.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't pay us his fourth field.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's won.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, please start over and every time you hear the name doctor sin, please take a shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just, uh, just throw that in.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm already hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mistaking an innocent girl for a witch, a crazed mob prepares to burn her at the stake, as Captain Britain races to her rescue.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's aware that his foes are acting under the hypnotic influence of the demonic, Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin, vaulting toward the blazing pie, or the young warriors only thought, is that to save the girl is to die a superhero.
[SPEAKER_06]: I caught Sin and the whole Darth village of God, but I must act fast before they come down on me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Help me, please!
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not giving the costume again, but how?
[SPEAKER_07]: We finished him back in the forest!
[SPEAKER_06]: I've reached her, but unless my staff is strong enough to break her chains, we'll both be dead in seconds.
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't had to staff long enough to measure it's strength, let alone test it for other capabilities.
[SPEAKER_06]: I only pray the powers that fashion this stick didn't stint, something's giving.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can feel it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ryan breaks the chain with his huge sticks.
[SPEAKER_02]: back and the base has been lit on fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd means to burn this woman alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the chain.
[SPEAKER_02]: The girl is falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: My scrap have before she hits the flames.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, just save the witch!
[SPEAKER_02]: And indeed, with one incredible leap, both superhero and girls stand 50 yards away, safe from searing heat, if not from the mob's frenzy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here they come, enraged beyond all reason, and with no staff, I'll not be able to hold them off, but there wasn't a choice.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't have time to save both the girl and my weapon.
[SPEAKER_06]: It had to be the girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, as the vengeful villagers, closing for the kill, a roaring fire, totally engulfs what might have been Captain Britain's only hope for salvation, but suddenly the attacker's freeze, like players, in a stop-action sequence on television, and a startled hero whirls to confront an all-too familiar voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin has ridden in on horseback.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is not fitting for rustics to destroy you, Captain Britain.
[SPEAKER_03]: That pleasure belongs to Dr.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sin!
[SPEAKER_02]: Good Lord this gag.
[SPEAKER_03]: beaten dead horses.
[SPEAKER_06]: So my suspicions were correct.
[SPEAKER_06]: You are the puppeteer who's been putting the strings of this nightmare.
[SPEAKER_06]: But how?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_06]: How?
[SPEAKER_03]: By the utilisation of greater mental power than man has ever known.
[SPEAKER_03]: As for the why to test that mental power first on the simple country folk next on the more sophisticated
[SPEAKER_02]: because that's the order things go.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, while Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin dreams of a world domination, let us ever so briefly turn our attention to a highly secret computer complex tucked away in a secluded mansion nearby, where a vast gank of man-made machinery surveys and records the doctor's every action.
[SPEAKER_02]: and unbeknownst to him, painstakingly plots each movement he will make, each word he will speak in advance.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, at this crucial moment, the monstrosity of transistors and electrical circuit senses something is very, very wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're about to introduce you to the computer mastermind, and this character is bigger in X-Men mythology than you think.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get there over time.
[SPEAKER_07]: Problem, though, more powerful than anticipated, master section to section 5, request solution immediately 5A, reporting control over subject remains total, but master section lacks sufficient energy to transmit the subject for defeat of QFO, computer data, received and accepted master section down to 30, all energy to subject, energy flow to all other subjects temporarily lost, due screen confirms successful transmission, subject attacking though, estimate victory,
[SPEAKER_02]: In the view screen, Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin knocks Captain Britain back with a psychic blast from his own eyes, but before we switch from technology back to tumult, let us look on our other two products, Jamie and Betsy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Betsy's under the care of a doctor wearing a pink ruffled blouse, her blonde bob resting on a pillowcase.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry that we've done all we can.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hopeless.
[SPEAKER_03]: You must be dumb!
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at her!
[SPEAKER_03]: She's sitting up!
[SPEAKER_03]: Betsy, Betsy!
[SPEAKER_03]: Amy, I'm...
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really... Something went wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: Senua said that the girl wouldn't regain consciousness.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should completely recover.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a miracle!
[SPEAKER_03]: Corridor Zaster, I must contact Sen, immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin has more pressing concerns at this particular moment as...
[SPEAKER_06]: He's unleashing his attack, bolts of his mental energy tearing through my brain, even my staff couldn't help me now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're meddling as at an end, you're finished!
[SPEAKER_02]: Energy gathers in the doctor's hands and strikes the hero full force, ZAT!
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah!
[SPEAKER_02]: But to the villain's surprise, Captain Britain proved stronger and more resilient than he anticipated.
[SPEAKER_06]: He almost did me in, but I can't let on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can't let him realize he has the upper hand.
[SPEAKER_06]: If that was your best, I suggest you make no long range plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then the young lion of London charges his foe with all the strength he can muster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any crash is a do a force field, one.
[SPEAKER_03]: No plans, none since my mental force shield will assure me a long and secure future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Long and secure are much like my penis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this character is just giving liberty to me so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's liberachi.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we're gonna just keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when the fallen hero lies stunned and struggling to regain consciousness, sin levitate Captain Britain's body in the air before him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now through my mental power alone, I shall levitate your helpless form and send you to your final.
[SPEAKER_07]: The same section report, subject is in complete control, power flow to subject, constant, or sub-sectional sections will remain deactivated until mission is completed, and display completion in 50 seconds, standby for victory notification, commanding subject to levitate victim towards plane subject, obeying completion now less than 30 seconds away, victim will be dropped into flames, and displayed his immediate destruction, completion now less than 20 seconds
[SPEAKER_02]: Standby, it is rumored that in the last moments before a man dies, his entire life flashes before his eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in Bryan Braddock's case, his thoughts contain only one scene from the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: That of the mysterious gods who granted him the very powers, which had led him to this moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bryan thinks of Merlin and Roma.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who are you?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why did you choose me?
[SPEAKER_06]: What's my destruction in your purpose?
[SPEAKER_06]: And if not, why don't you save me?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_03]: The grim game is over, Captain Britain, your
[SPEAKER_03]: finished and your insignificant demise will launch my epic conquest of all mankind.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's I withdraw the mental shield which holds you suspended and commend you to the flames.
[SPEAKER_07]: Main section report, completion victim released, plundity will continue to monitor heartbeat until cessation standby.
[SPEAKER_06]: The flames rushing towards me that are
[SPEAKER_02]: Next, from the ashes, and on the fun page this time, how are these Nick Fury's different?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also a bunch of double page letter pages through these issues, well worth checking out if you have access.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this is a crazy setup, we're going to continue this story next time where we learn, and this is early spoilers for our cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mastermind is behind the power of Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_02]: because he's trying to analyze Captain Britain's powers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Mastermind is also inherently connected to the Braddock family line.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get into it in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Giza, you've got to play another epic villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one, just ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: We shared a few comments as we recorded, but let me hear some of your early thoughts on what it was like to play Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_02]: His real name, by the way, is Christopher Thorne.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, it's Dr.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, for some reason, for him to always be on a horse to begin with, every time we see them in these, like, this, the first three parts of this, and he's always on a horse, that, that he just loves these drama.
[SPEAKER_03]: He refers to him, he just refers to himself a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love that a bit of villain, because it's so, so centered.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought when I was reading through the script, I went, that, that's a theme tune.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just went, doctor, sin, and everything, that was me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I just really,
[SPEAKER_02]: The most important question of the entire day, now that we've had some time to spend with the early Captain Britain villains, Fuck Mary Kill, Joshua Sprag the Reaver, Albert Potter Hurricane, or Christopher Thorne, Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna tell Reaver to flamboyant to flamboyant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, he looked like a K-Zer, but I don't know if he remembers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, oh, I'm going to kiss Hurricane because that's a good blow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm probably going to marry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to marry this one because he just me on my toes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, he'll do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, he's gone by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he'll die.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's gone by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he'll die the soonest.
[SPEAKER_02]: He dies next to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, okay, well, they don't actually have a house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I officially have launched a whole audiobook franchise that I'm doing on Patreon and I'm looking for all sorts of suggestions, so feel free to get my Patreon, which is Giza Gobo and have a wee lesson if you enjoy my performances.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is a lot more because I'm doing about 800 characters in one book, every single book.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think one of the ones coming up will be a golden ghettles, margar mystery, but so that's going to be interesting to try and be be Arthur, a stalgate, baity way through McLean Han, all in the one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard that this is going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're so talented, my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Giza is also here in full make up everyone on her way to back performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you so much for showing up today.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, thank you, and I'm very, very much looking forward to the next episode, because that cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally was like, why, why is the no more script?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was upset.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did four today though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there is a reference when they're talking about Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin to the scarecrow of Romney Marsh, which is ancient history.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a three-part television mini series that Disney put out on wonderful world of color in 1964.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's based on the Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin novels by Russell Thorndike, who, particularly in the 1960 book,
[SPEAKER_02]: a Christopher Sin, which is the name of the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stories set in 18th century London around 1775 during the reign of King George III, and it centers on Dr. Christopher Sin a respected vicar of the dim church parish who leads a double life as the mysterious and feared scarecrow by night.
[SPEAKER_02]: as the scarecrow sin leads a smuggling operation to oppose the oppressive taxation and brutal press gangs of the British monarchy, distributing the profits to the impoverished people of Romney Marsh.
[SPEAKER_02]: His identity is only known to two trusted allies, Mr. Mips and John Banks.
[SPEAKER_02]: The scarecrow's terrifying burlap mask and haunting laugh created using a dishcloth and champagne straws were designed by veteran makeup artist, Harry Frampton, to instill fear and corrupt officials while making him an a folk hero to everyone else.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a literal series.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go find it in the is need treasure troves somewhere if you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's where they got the idea for Dr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sin from.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to die next time we've never seen him again in another comic book except an indication of flashback to early Captain Britain.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Giza, thank you whenever you need to run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, now we also have Brian kind of going through it a little bit here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian starting to see a villain who has taken over kind of his small town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Infected the minds of his siblings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Infected the minds of his community.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're burning people at the stake.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's also starting to ask bigger questions to himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: James talked to me about Brian's journey in this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: very much coming out story very clear coded of I'm I'm discovering I want to let go of my old self but when I live for my true self all my new self yeah I find I find him a very intriguing at this point in his history that he would be happy to even entertain thoughts of getting rid of Brian and just being Captain Britain I think it's really really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does Jamie think of Brian Christian?
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially that scene where he walks in and Brian's like straddling Betsy.
[SPEAKER_07]: At the time, probably so, oh god, not this again.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now that we know everything else, I think it's, um, have they been watching Game of Thrones?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's definitely an element of that, but I think with everything we know about Jamie now, it's much more of a waste he got set and not me, but at the time I think it's very much sort of what the hell is that idiot doing wearing this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamie has a hurt leg, there's a racing cars thing that there's a theme that's going to come back for this character.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to see him for a little while, while we get him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna learn the truth of the death of Brian's parents shortly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of bratic family lore about to make its way up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Betsy starts as a charter pilot, goes a little bit crazy, drives her brother's car to go get bride, and then tries to murder everyone with a size changing axe.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a Betsy Braddock axe murderer scene with some hints that are power.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple images of glowing eyes and her breaking out of the control of Dr. Sid, London talk to us about Betsy's journey here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to play a mad woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's also kind of a dynamic when you're the only female and you have two brothers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of just want to kill them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so that's my thought process is playing Betsy, so you know, it was wild, like it's been a fun journey, so can't wait to see more.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have the incredible, although very little used character, from the the Braddock family staff, who was like, I was always an adventure with these three, like a Robin tell us about playing mitt.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, to really get into the main set of a character's nuanced and complex as make, I've been watching Don't In Abbey every day for the last week.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have been cleaning my house instead of making my husband do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm also lying.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've done none of those things.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, again, that!
[SPEAKER_05]: That's basically what I imagine is him.
[SPEAKER_05]: He is the Dintin Abbey sort of, hi, hey, looking after these rich motherfuckers, but he gets all the gossip.
[SPEAKER_05]: He knows more about all these siblings than any of them know about each other.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yet, he is Chris Claremont.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mick is one of those just fun little kind of side characters that we wish we had more of, but I don't think we've ever seen him ever again in another comic book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next issue, we get to meet the beloved housekeeper Emma Collins, though, who's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will love
[SPEAKER_02]: Mastermindy, super-computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: What vibes do you get from this computer?
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are any parallels to British fiction that you can draw to.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I was absolutely vibing on Tom Baker and K9, Doctor Who.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's the root I'm going.
[SPEAKER_07]: And even when I'm saying it, I can hear the the
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a certain point in Captain Britain's stories where Dr. Who heavily influences the heroic stories being told about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not quite happening yet, but when we get to the Captain Britain core and the other world craziness, it's very
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't bring this to all the sand steward.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why couldn't Jamie have just died and we'd have, as Robin said, we'd have had our sand still.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've forgot all about Jaco Tanner and Courtney Ross and all these other who are they, sorry?
[SPEAKER_06]: Who are these people that you're talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sounds like Brian.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we start to see a narrative shift into the family drama, which kind of getting over the book for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have a long form story with the red skull attacking London coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it got to talk about it in our red skull episode, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was the sauciest one today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was cracking at least dirt jokes and you guys are like, come on, Chad.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, Chad, that's because we're British and a British and the real country boom.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are the United Kingdom Afro.
[SPEAKER_06]: We do have a sense of modesty.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Lots of the hung twisters in this, lots of the little, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it really tested my tongue.
[SPEAKER_06]: So thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can tell the trem on Kickton.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I do, I do what the one thing I do love about the script, Chad, is that that moment when the narrator says something and then the character says something, it kills me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And as it goes forward, I promise that my delivery will just become more and more just
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I'm typing these scripts, that kind of happens accidentally a lot because my job is the scriptwriter or like the script interpreter is to type what's happening and then always look at Brian's dialogue and he just fucking says what just happened You know, like I'm the narrator's like look outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's rating and then Brian's like yeah
[SPEAKER_06]: You look outside, it's raining, and I feel like I feel like Captain Janeway, because she does this a lot in Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing a little bit of a neurodiver, a diverse binge of the series at the moment, and every time someone goes, oh my god, it must be a nebula.
[SPEAKER_06]: She goes, it must be a nebula.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I feel like Janeway right now, I feel like Captain Janeway is just lazy to get bright.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just really funny, but every time I say I'm like I need to make this a comedy moment, but also still be serious as Brian see the one They I will say the difference is game.
[SPEAKER_05]: We as asking a question because she's definitely want to rain turk True, Captain Britain just does not have a lot going on But no, he's just Yeah, he's just in the waiting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he's heading the clouds and I and I do love our little a little airhead actually
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, next time we get a little bit more into the family lore of Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right before he has to face his first great evil, their red skull involving a team up with Captain America, so we've got some fun to get coming here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This does not feel like Betsy Braddock to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will just say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The character regulator is much different than this crazy mad woman, but God, this was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: With her giant axe hacking furniture in half.
[SPEAKER_06]: As a Jamie fan and you and I know that I'm a Jamie fan, I'm still dying for us to have a really deep dive into Jamie because I would die to do this, but I love Jamie so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love seeing Jamie in these early days.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love seeing how much of a that the contrast between the brothers of Brian being.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm good, I've gone to school, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, um, I do themed months on my show as I've explained.
[SPEAKER_02]: We call it the academic panel or the trial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamie is going to get a whole month, but it's not going to be for a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to wait till we get it to a little bit more of his core story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the whole Braddock family is like, open.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've got, I've got spreadsheets on spreadsheets.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just have to take one at a time to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because otherwise, I'll get lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we also just added more in the Taggart and Blackthump category.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's all these long list of amazing characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to one at a time.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I just love being doing these.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's so much fun.
[SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, look forward to the next ones.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Chrissy 1701 on most platforms.
[SPEAKER_07]: Come and find me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am so excited to have been invited to be part of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can catch me on all socials London hearts you that's London, H-E-A-R-T-S, and the letter year.
[SPEAKER_05]: As we were just wrapping up the conversation there, it dawned on me that based on his presentation in these comics, if Jimmy Bradet were going to be played by an actor, it really should be Jack Whitehall, and it makes me want to punch him.
[SPEAKER_06]: That would be such great casting as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: It would be such great casting because the contrast between the physical actor and his Captain Britain persona would be amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love that casting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Make it happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Make it so.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you want to thank me on social media, you can check me out on Blue Sky, Red Breasted Robin with a Y.
[SPEAKER_05]: You should definitely do so because you will get to keep up with my upcoming ex-boys as I announced that I am moving to Japan in March.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh wow!
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so if you want to see what it's like for a trans woman, her trans husband and their two cats to move to the other side of the world, come and follow me having mental breakdowns on a daily basis as I try to learn
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I adore you, but I'm also wondering if the cats are trans.
[SPEAKER_05]: So actually, yes, Coco or ginger cat, she has a G is a rescue from an abroad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our passport says she's a boy, but she is definitely not a boy, so she's trans.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we have our one-on-trans token in the corner here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you say you rescued her from abroad, does that mean another country or from a mean old woman?
[SPEAKER_06]: Abroad!
[SPEAKER_06]: I am really enjoying doing these.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm loving discovering Brian and Brian even more.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can find me on Instagram at jl underscore c. It's very simple.
[SPEAKER_06]: You'll see my chubby smiley face.
[SPEAKER_06]: As this goes out two days ago, I opened in Santa and the lost letters in Norfolk.
[SPEAKER_06]: Please don't bother trying to come and buy a ticket.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is so far away from anyone else.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like near the coast.
[SPEAKER_06]: but I'm having a great time prancing around at singing and dancing a Santa right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, and if you follow the Instagram, you'll see plenty of pages of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lastly, follow the show, Grimmalk, and under score lane on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where you can find me most easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm posting regular content.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next episode coming out after this will be just before the end of the year where it's our final champion script read of the year, in which rampage attacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fun group with all of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having such a good time producing these scripts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we close the year out with an episode called about Latu.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all about the watcher over on the Patreon and the matching theme is eyeball horror.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have all eyeball characters over on the other side.
[SPEAKER_02]: January we're launching in with X-Men number 101, the first appearance of the Phoenix Force, as well as a full month dedicated to night crawler.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have some really fun things coming your way in early 2026.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please stay safe, please take care of yourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your ongoing support.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to this wonderful group of friends and we will see you all back here in a few months for our next Captain Britain script read released next April So see you all soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye and now stay tuned for some thoughts on fascism as a special guest and I talked about a red skull story and it's modern applications
[SPEAKER_02]: The Zemosk region expulsions, also known as the Zemosk uprising, were part of the Nazi German campaign of ethnic cleansing in Southeastern Poland between 1943, rooted in Heinrich Himmler's General Plot Ost, the plan to Germanize Central and Eastern Europe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zemosk,
[SPEAKER_02]: located in the Lublin district was chosen as one of the first testing grounds for this vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Nazis sought to expel tens of thousands of Polish inhabitants and replaced them with German colonists creating a racially pure settlement zone known as the German living space or Levin's realm.
[SPEAKER_02]: The operation began in November 1942 when SS and police units descended on villages giving residents minutes to gather belongings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before being loaded onto trains or trucks, bound for camps and getos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over 110,000 Polish civilians from approximately 300 villages were expelled during the campaign and the population included thousands of children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many adults were sent to forced labor camps or concentration camps, such as Majdanek, where children deemed racially valuable by Nazi standards were seized for Germanization and placed with German families under new identities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Others including the elderly and those resisting removal were executed on the spot entire villages such as skier, but I and I'm going to get these pronunciations wrong I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This city is S. Z. C. Z. E. B. R. Z. E. S. Y.
[SPEAKER_02]: Z. Y. N.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, entire villages were systematically cleared to make way for settlers imported from regions like Mesarabia, Bukovina and Volania, ethnic German regions whom the Nazi regime considered returning home to the Reich.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rather than pacifying the area, the expulsions provoked forced resistance, Polish home army, or the army of Krojhawa, and the people's guard, the Guarnia Lodawa.
[SPEAKER_02]: launched coordinated gorilla attacks to protect civilians and disrupt resettlement convoys.
[SPEAKER_02]: By early 1943, these partisan forces had grown into a large-scale rural insurgency known as this Amosk uprising, which spread across the Lublin region, ambushes, sabotage operations,
[SPEAKER_02]: and attacks on Germany's supply lines, forced the Nazis to divert considerable manpower away from the Eastern Front.
[SPEAKER_02]: Villagers often fled into the forests, joining resistance units or forming independent self-defense groups, despite horrific reprisals, including mass shootings and the burning of entire settlements, the resistance prevented full implementation of
[SPEAKER_02]: of the German colonization plan, because the option was to either be assimilated and wiped out or to fight back.
[SPEAKER_02]: By late 1943, the Zemoscary Settlement Project was effectively abandoned as a failure as a result.
[SPEAKER_02]: German authorities had only managed to settle a fraction of the targeted land, and many of the colonists withdrew due to continued partisan attacks and the Red Army's westward advance.
[SPEAKER_02]: The operation left the region devastated, and estimated 50,000 people were killed or died in the camps, and thousands of children vanished into that
[SPEAKER_02]: Yet, the defiance of the Zamasque population became one of the most significant examples of Polish rural resistance during the occupation.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the post-war years, the Zamasque campaign came to symbolize both the brutality of Nazi racial purity and the resilience of occupied communities that refused to be erased.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's jump to 2001, it's Captain America Volume 3, number 41.
[SPEAKER_02]: That rocked the Leber of all people has been hired to steal the plants for the United States nuclear defense codes, but surprised the man behind it all is the Red Skull.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you look so surprised at Captain?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who else would you expect to find but the Red Skull Captain America's?
[SPEAKER_02]: You wanted the plans I should have known.
[SPEAKER_02]: Indeed, you should have yet another display of your many inferiorities.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Red Skull gets another escape clinging to a rope ladder suspended from the missing hella carrier, which happens weirdly often.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just flying away on a helicopter hold a gun to the ladder as he gets the last word.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we go to the America Lost series by Dan Jurgen's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain America 45 through 48.
[SPEAKER_02]: A man named Adam Hauser helped fire up some racist in Louisiana who feel like Mexicans are stealing all of their jobs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gives them white hoods and sends them to attack and kill some Mexicans at a hotel, but it turns out they were just tourists.
[SPEAKER_02]: Captain America and shield determined that the Red Skull has hidden the hell of carrier underwater in the Gulf of Mexico and Hauser, by the way, no surprise, is working for the Red Skull.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mexico will be enraged by the morning, war along the borders, cities and flames, the complete and total destabilization of America, it collapses from within rather than from without.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's close enough to taste my friend paradise, and Red Skull has been to a tailor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a gold tunic that almost looks like an exoskeleton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peak shoulders, gloves, silver boots, Captain America finds the hell of carrier, and storms it, and finds the red skull drinking glass of sherry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is taking me a long time to realize it, but I have no reason to destroy America, not when you are perfectly diverse, patchwork, countries capable of doing so all, by itself, from within.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your nation is a cauldron of hate waiting to erupt.
[SPEAKER_02]: A cesspool of violent thoughts looking for release.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fuse extending from one coast to the other, waiting for someone to ignite the flame.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the skull moves the hell carrier to Louisiana, where houses have been stoking up tension between the white people and the minority groups.
[SPEAKER_02]: Suit our message of hate will be carried to the entire nation.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, our goals have been similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, have always been similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, working together like this, we cannot be defeated together as the Red Skull.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time you look for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: After all, I'm the one who provided the means, which show deliver us to victory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick Fury gets captured and bitch slapped by the red skull and then told he's allowed to watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch your country burn from the best seat in the house, not from our actions, but from the actions of America's own citizens.
[SPEAKER_02]: And from the ashes, a new right will emerge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It turns out Adam Hauser is yet another clone of Adolf Hitler, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a big surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get another version of the hate monger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go see my hate monger episode with Molly and Philip over on the Patreon this month, although we don't cover this particular story in any depth.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Red School makes sure that Hauser knows that he's inferior regularly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He slaps Fury again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pilots, the hell a carrier to the race war that has been that he has been once again planning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring fury with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can watch his country burn from the best seat in the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not from our actions, but from the actions of America's own citizens.
[SPEAKER_02]: And from the ashes, a new rike will emerge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've long waited to recast the world into a single unified people, genetically deserving of my leadership.
[SPEAKER_02]: What better way to start than America when we last thought the cosmic cube brought my aspirations to the brink of realization The Cuban I wore won my deepest thoughts revealed to its power as were my memories and experiences My time with Hitler, all his fiery speeches of conquest and domination
[SPEAKER_02]: The results of all that, the cube took all these thoughts and ideas coalescing them into a form of living energy and emotion, standing before he was the personification of my dream of Hitler's dream, raw intensely passionate emotion, given physical form.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so hard as he says all of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Red Skull finally had Hitler's baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: His plan this time to create a hate-brain COVID that will like past
[SPEAKER_02]: through humans, from person to person.
[SPEAKER_02]: They try to turn cap-eval, but cap loves America, too darn much, with all of his close-threaded cap-kits to choke the red skull for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nearly naked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the hate-monger gets shot, and you know, it's nine, and fades away in the breeze.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me welcome my dear friend, Priya Saxon, a back to the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Priya, hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a lot to jump into.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, are you a red skull fan, my friend?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would not say that I am just hearing you say like his quotes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, man, I hate this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's truly terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you'd read these comics before this Dan jargons run on Captain America.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was it like for you to jump into this 2001 story?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had not read this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't read a ton of like Captain America stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I like Dan jargons work on I like his art style in this era is like
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it has some of that vibe like from like older decades but it doesn't feel like out of place like I think it looks pretty good even if the coloring is a little bit like garish because it's 2000 and that's what they were doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, my red skull preferences, if I'm going to get a red skull story, I want him to hire Bat Rock the Leaper to get the nuclear defense codes and then escape on a helicopter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think my introduction to Bat Rock the Leaper was the Gwen Pool series where he's nice there, he becomes Gwen Pool's friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I always have kind of a soft spot for him, even though he's usually
[SPEAKER_00]: of villain in doing bad things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm usually like pretty neutral on Captain America, but I like him here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like kind of corny, but he still have to love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even get to do my bat rock, French accent, everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're used to my haunts and fronzer and skull accent now, but I didn't go to be boss-roxy, but I just...
[SPEAKER_02]: welcome for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we jump to the slightly more and well not slightly.
[SPEAKER_02]: The much more intense America lost story where we have clones if ate off Hitler and incited racial violence and the hate-monger rage baby and it's so gay and horny the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me hear that's on America lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of an intense story, but it's a solid story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was kind of shocked reading it at the, like, how blatant it is about, like, the racism and, like, the racism that the, is it the hate longer is like, because it, I think it does a really good job of, like, translating, like, the, like, Nazi mindset to, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: issues that were more relevant to Americans, which is specifically like hatred of immigrants and being like, oh no, they're going to replace us.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to kill them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like this, a lot of it feels so like relevant of like what people are thinking today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little bit like shocked by that, but like in a good way, I think it was very pointed and very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: calling American racism fascism very directly on the page in 2001 in a book where there's a lot of swastikas and the red skull being like no no no no no I am your boss I am the one that's superior but then it turns out it was a Hitler clung the whole time that had to have put it your brain a little bit
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, I think it's admirable like if you're going to do like a Captain America story then like yeah You should be thinking about like interacting with like not just like the like World War II like racism and like those politics But also like the US today and like the really ugly sides of it
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he ties up Fury and says you can watch America burn from the best seat in the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not from our actions, but from the actions of America's own citizens, which is so deeply uncomfortably parallel to kind of the world we're living in these days, not so directly, because we don't have cartoon supervillains wearing gold exoskeletons.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like we're like one like step away from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it feels like we could almost be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but for some people I think it is there, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like for the people that are like afraid for of the mask people in the streets, I think it is there for some.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for some of us, we don't have to face that quite directly yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you have any moments in this series that kind of stood out as inspiring or humorous?
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked there was a, it seemed like Captain America had like maybe like a girlfriend
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I only saw her in one issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, but she seems really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, it's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I didn't know about this character.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, it's kind of cool that like Steve has like this relationship with someone that is like outside of his work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and she seems cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she was like working out at home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a fun character.
[SPEAKER_02]: She comes back in the Great Lakes Avengers series later, but she's she's around and kept for a little while, which is an interesting take on some of his comments on like the economy and immigration capoes is fun when he's challenged by someone smarter than him, which which Connie Ferrari definitely is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then we have this kind of hate manga or rage baby, but the clearness of like shirtless cap straddling the red skull like there's so much crazy moments between these characters and it reads so uncomfortably clear sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's always like kind of nuts when there's like something that is so like explicitly about like not see it and then there's like humor autism in that because it is like a thing that happens a lot in these kinds of stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's always a little bit like it makes you feel like weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only happens a lot, but almost, almost happens every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of an odd thing, which takes me to this place of like opening.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about himlers, like planned to kind of like, let's just argue
[SPEAKER_02]: in ISD's communities like we'll make them blonde and pretty it's something so horny about him wanting everyone to be blonde and beautiful and it's just I mean it's disgusting obviously and these are obviously extremely horrible war crimes and travesties but there's a really strong theme of rebellion and fighting back and like how you know in every different region that was fighting back it added up to the wider
[SPEAKER_02]: things eventually turning a different direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know that idea of these communities having to face the idea of assimilation not knowing what was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew like a like tiny bit of that just from like background knowledge, but just hearing about all of that was um it's really heavy and it's really horrible and also like part of what's horrible about it is that it's not that
[SPEAKER_00]: unusual like it just it seems like very similar to like any kind of like imperialism or any kind of like genocide project that happens and it's like as much as we think of like the atrocities of World War II as so incomparable to anything else like there have been and are other atrocities that have like followed similar patterns and it just
[SPEAKER_00]: is really horrible, but then it's also it makes you glad to know that like people were fighting back and that people were inspired by that um fighting back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I read these stories about like the long-term plans of the Nazis, it's giving me very project 2025 in such an Ikki way.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing in 2025?
[SPEAKER_02]: My friend, I don't know, it's a crazy time.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is such a crazy time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we just want you to think things can't get more strange in the most awful way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am feeling a little bit more hopeful maybe because I live in New York and sort of in month on you just was elected for mayor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, I wasn't even sure if that was something that could be possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm hoping that that will bring some change and maybe inspire people to realize
[SPEAKER_00]: There it change is possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just see things like things you didn't Cruelty's that you didn't know people were capable of conceiving, let alone carrying out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is just a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I live in Utah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's an interesting thing making these because these episodes end up coming out about six or eight weeks later, after we record them so Manhattan, Donnie was just elected last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone's like, yay, hope, I forgot what I hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then like the next day, the Supreme Court reinforced the passport thing against trans people and they're like taking up gay marriage and then like I heard about other ice attack down the road from my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just it's so crazy to balance all of that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is wonderful to find those hopeful things to latch on to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope is important and joy is important and I think both are how we create defiance and the act of all of this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm grateful for your friendship, my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any final thoughts on this light and fluffy anecdote that I took you on called America Lost?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think just that like what you said about hope, I think that is like why people tell Captain America stories and why that character matters to people because like it feels very silly to have like a superhero called Captain America when they're like there's a lot of really awful stuff that the US has done and continues to do but it's like you want to
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the values of the boomer generation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it fits anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked him in this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like a solid guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had a big crush on Steve Rogers when I was here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we're still getting to know each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've hung out on a couple different shows, but I'm really learning to respect your very quiet and soft.
[SPEAKER_02]: smart intelligent, like insights.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, I, I just edited a big episode we did together and I was like really enjoying like just tuning in to your, your insightful thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really look forward to hanging out again.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're, you're fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, um, dropping into these like, uh, conversations about comics that like I hadn't read or I hadn't, like, thought about much before and then like kind of having to consider them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has, it's like a fun exercise for my brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for having me on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, after we did more of your women together, we have a lot of love.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we'll hang out again soon and we'll make it silly next time I promise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Be safe out there.
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