WEBVTT 00:02.292 --> 00:04.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey friends, welcome to the Christian parenting podcast. 00:04.838 --> 00:06.202 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad that you're here today. 00:06.603 --> 00:16.588 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that you're going to really love this conversation because we are talking about something every parent needs, whether you are in a really sweet season or a really stretching one, and that is community. 00:17.294 --> 00:27.088 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that parenting can feel really lonely sometimes, even when our homes are full of noise and activity, it's easy to feel unseen or like no one really understands what we're walking through. 00:27.549 --> 00:30.593 [SPEAKER_02]: But God never designed us to do life or parenting alone. 00:31.134 --> 00:40.467 [SPEAKER_02]: He definitely created us for connection and for friendship and for the kind of support that reminds us that we're not crazy and we're not the only ones trying to figure this whole thing out. 00:40.447 --> 00:52.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Today I'm joined by the incredible Alyssa Morgan and she spent so many years leading mobs international now mom co many of you may be involved in their groups and now she writes and podcasts with our daily bread. 00:52.547 --> 00:59.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Alyssa has walked through seasons of brokenness and beauty and she brings so much wisdom about how biblical community shapes us and helps us grow. 01:00.060 --> 01:03.045 [SPEAKER_02]: So settle in, take a breath and let this conversation encourage you. 01:03.565 --> 01:04.547 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that you love it. 01:10.147 --> 01:12.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi Lisa, welcome to the Christian Parenting Podcast. 01:12.612 --> 01:14.276 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey Steph, good to be with you. 01:14.336 --> 01:16.300 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm thrilled to have you here. 01:16.360 --> 01:19.126 [SPEAKER_02]: So we can have a great conversation all about community. 01:19.166 --> 01:23.295 [SPEAKER_02]: But before I just would love for you to introduce yourself. 01:23.335 --> 01:27.885 [SPEAKER_02]: So can you tell us a little about who you are, about your family and what you do, all the good stuff? 01:27.865 --> 01:38.518 [SPEAKER_04]: All the things, okay, so I grew up loving Jesus, but didn't actually discover him until I was about 16 terms of really what he had done for me on the cross. 01:38.598 --> 01:41.261 [SPEAKER_04]: So that shaped my life hugely. 01:41.762 --> 01:45.466 [SPEAKER_04]: I ended up going to seminary to become a hospital chaplain. 01:45.526 --> 01:47.929 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought, but God had other things in mind. 01:47.949 --> 01:50.312 [SPEAKER_04]: I met married my husband there. 01:50.292 --> 02:08.234 [SPEAKER_04]: I came from a broken family, broken through divorce and that through alcoholism and when I found Evan, my husband, you know, I just, we committed, we never used the word divorce and I expected everything to just be perfect because we had Jesus and my family had not had him growing up. 02:08.414 --> 02:14.882 [SPEAKER_04]: So, any who I was a state-owned mom for a little while and then received a call to 02:14.862 --> 02:21.012 [SPEAKER_04]: apply to become the first president of an international nonprofit outreach for moms. 02:21.472 --> 02:26.801 [SPEAKER_04]: It was called Mops International in those days and now it's called the mom code by Mops International. 02:27.361 --> 02:30.947 [SPEAKER_04]: So I served there for 20 years as their CEO. 02:30.927 --> 02:38.884 [SPEAKER_04]: And during those years it was phenomenal, but also we went through a lot of stuff with our own family that was really trying. 02:39.084 --> 02:47.181 [SPEAKER_04]: And I wrote a book called The Beauty of Broken, where I learned a lot about God's love for the broken and God's plans for the broken. 02:47.161 --> 03:15.733 [SPEAKER_04]: I stepped down in 2009 from that role just really convinced that God wanted to hand that over to the next generation of leaders, that ministry, which he has done so beautifully with Mandy Erioto and others who are leading it now, and I began to work for our daily bread ministries, writing for them, doing podcasts for them, God hears her with Erin 03:15.713 --> 03:16.995 [SPEAKER_04]: and some guests. 03:17.035 --> 03:18.316 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's what I do today. 03:18.336 --> 03:21.340 [SPEAKER_04]: I married to Evan for now 46 years. 03:21.921 --> 03:23.223 [SPEAKER_04]: You have two grown children. 03:23.543 --> 03:31.553 [SPEAKER_04]: We have four grandchildren ranging from age 21 down to in utero who'll be born later this year. 03:31.874 --> 03:34.737 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just a very rich season. 03:35.138 --> 03:43.729 [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of unexpected things, a lot of continuing to hold on to Jesus in my latter years and a lot of learning to let go. 03:43.709 --> 03:51.545 [SPEAKER_04]: that he has the plans that he has for us, plans for good, and not for harm to bring us all the future. 03:51.585 --> 03:56.976 [SPEAKER_04]: And I hope, as he promised, Israel and their Babylonian exile a million years ago. 03:57.209 --> 04:20.247 [SPEAKER_02]: our stories are very similar coming to know Jesus a little later and then seminary and then ministry and I think it's really refreshing for parents to hear that you didn't really you kind of knew Jesus but didn't really know Jesus until you were 16 because I think sometimes we panic a little bit if our kids aren't on fire produces when they're really little if they're growing up in a Christian home which I assume everyone listening to the Christian parenting podcast of course do that. 04:21.323 --> 04:21.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 04:22.484 --> 04:22.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:22.705 --> 04:26.009 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's just a good reminder that God is moving in all ages. 04:26.449 --> 04:27.531 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 04:27.551 --> 04:28.452 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thank you. 04:28.472 --> 04:29.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely. 04:29.773 --> 04:32.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're going to talk a little bit about community today. 04:32.897 --> 04:34.459 [SPEAKER_02]: The importance of community. 04:34.579 --> 04:39.245 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that parenting can be so lonely, depending on the season you're in. 04:39.365 --> 04:43.330 [SPEAKER_02]: Really any season, depending on the kind of, yeah, just where you are in life. 04:43.430 --> 04:46.153 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and God did not create us to be alone. 04:46.173 --> 04:48.276 [SPEAKER_02]: And he really didn't create us to parent alone. 04:48.256 --> 05:00.274 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would love to hear a little bit about how you've experienced biblical community, what this looked like for you, and how communities just kind of blessed your life personally, and then we could get into some other stuff too. 05:00.322 --> 05:03.165 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a great question. 05:03.406 --> 05:07.570 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, when I first became a Christian, I was involved in Bible studies and things like that. 05:07.590 --> 05:15.660 [SPEAKER_04]: I had a couple of friends that even through seminary, we would meet together in the girls bathroom because there were so few girls in seminary. 05:15.920 --> 05:21.767 [SPEAKER_04]: And pray, in fact, one woman and I prayed for about three years for a spouse for each other. 05:21.827 --> 05:23.729 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not going to believe this, no kidding. 05:23.749 --> 05:26.953 [SPEAKER_04]: Thirty years later, our children married. 05:27.794 --> 05:28.995 [SPEAKER_01]: no way. 05:29.015 --> 05:29.196 [UNKNOWN]: I know. 05:29.416 --> 05:29.676 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 05:29.716 --> 05:30.917 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like the dream. 05:31.598 --> 05:31.858 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:31.918 --> 05:39.086 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's the literal path because my son came through some choices, but you know what, it's been beautiful. 05:39.346 --> 05:42.029 [SPEAKER_04]: And we, I understand her hesitation. 05:43.110 --> 05:46.454 [SPEAKER_04]: We love what God's done and it's it's a beautiful thing. 05:46.474 --> 05:48.877 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, that's where some of my early community came from. 05:49.237 --> 05:52.941 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I can remember in this seasons of young mothering, just. 05:52.921 --> 05:59.630 [SPEAKER_04]: finding a friend to swing a toddler with on a swing set and going to McDonald's Playland just for an hour that was sanity. 05:59.851 --> 06:06.139 [SPEAKER_04]: Community at work, when I was away from home, that was a huge have friends outside. 06:06.359 --> 06:07.781 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a group of women too. 06:07.841 --> 06:11.166 [SPEAKER_04]: We would go to the movies once a month, because ourselves the movie mavens. 06:11.146 --> 06:23.200 [SPEAKER_04]: and husbands or whoever would take care of kids, and we'd go out alone for adult time, and that morphed into what we call the fab five, because there were five of us, and we still meet to this day. 06:23.461 --> 06:39.600 [SPEAKER_04]: Once a year, we've scattered across the United States, but I would say we hold each others lives, and we can text just with like a high five, which means the fab five, you know, gotcha kind of thing, or need prayer, or something like that. 06:39.580 --> 06:56.256 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been a couple's Bible studies super important neighbors with people who don't even know God have been very enriching for me to do a book club or to do a potluck or you know a 4th of July called a set gathering. 06:56.236 --> 06:57.639 [SPEAKER_04]: That's super enriching. 06:57.840 --> 06:59.344 [SPEAKER_04]: So I could kind of go on it on. 06:59.364 --> 07:03.033 [SPEAKER_04]: There was another season where I was in about 20 years. 07:03.093 --> 07:10.371 [SPEAKER_04]: I was in what we call the Covenant Group with eight women who were all at least five years older than me, some 20 years older than me. 07:10.531 --> 07:12.135 [SPEAKER_04]: And I asked off why? 07:12.115 --> 07:19.024 [SPEAKER_04]: Why am I in this group at one point and he said, well, it takes that many women to mother you at least and I love that so much. 07:19.364 --> 07:25.833 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know, I think just being open to community stuff, it can take a lot of different shapes and forms. 07:26.293 --> 07:28.576 [SPEAKER_04]: And those are just some of the ones that I've enjoyed. 07:28.837 --> 07:32.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to talk about your fab vibe for a minute because 07:32.922 --> 07:41.391 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that, okay, so you started going to the movies once a month and you've now gone, like, you see each other once a year or whatever. 07:41.411 --> 07:44.843 [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously your community has changed because your life has changed. 07:45.184 --> 07:45.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:46.608 --> 07:58.192 [SPEAKER_02]: your life has changed, your kids have changed, you have grandkids now, you're scattered around the country, you know, and I think that is really hard as a mom, because your friendships change a lot, very dramatically. 07:58.693 --> 08:05.106 [SPEAKER_02]: When I was in Mops, we, my Mops friends, we did everything together, we went to the gym together, we went grocery shopping together. 08:05.373 --> 08:24.816 [SPEAKER_02]: now we don't see each other is often you know because our kids are in the sports and it's kind of painful sometimes because friendships change so much so what has that experience been like and how have you held on to the ones that are important or maybe released the ones that aren't like how is that experience been important stuff to look at that. 08:24.796 --> 08:29.863 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember I was in therapy when I was in my early thirties, I was in therapy for most of my life. 08:29.883 --> 08:37.654 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I was in therapy when I was in my early thirties specifically and my therapist would talk about how friendships are like islands of intimacy. 08:37.854 --> 08:49.150 [SPEAKER_04]: So you will own boat up and dock on an island for a season and often you then sail away and you may not return to that island and I think we have these kinds of 08:49.130 --> 08:57.102 [SPEAKER_04]: Expectation is for some of the girl shows, you know, we watch on TV or something and think, you know, this is going to be steel McNallyous or fab five, you know, forever. 08:57.182 --> 09:07.577 [SPEAKER_04]: And many times it's not, many times it's four a season and we learn in that season how to be a friend or we make a friend with people and then we might keep one and continue to grow them. 09:07.597 --> 09:08.618 [SPEAKER_04]: It just depends. 09:08.859 --> 09:18.833 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's very different that there are a group of women, one is since died and gone to be with Jesus early early 09:18.813 --> 09:24.239 [SPEAKER_04]: mops international, and we've all been gone for 20 years, but we still gather. 09:24.620 --> 09:39.437 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think there is great grief when you lose each other, and a couple of things about that is to take with you like in a backpack if you picture that island illustration, the lessons you've learned from how to be a friend and maybe not how not to be a friend. 09:39.477 --> 09:41.099 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what, what did you learn that didn't work? 09:41.179 --> 09:42.120 [SPEAKER_04]: It was not healthy. 09:42.100 --> 09:45.544 [SPEAKER_04]: And then also, there's an intentionality in going back and checking in. 09:45.724 --> 09:48.727 [SPEAKER_04]: And even if it's been, I'm sure it's like this with you and your mob friends. 09:49.348 --> 09:51.631 [SPEAKER_04]: Even if it's been 10 years, you can pick it up. 09:51.931 --> 09:58.939 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what the struggle was with bedwedding or with, you know, they wouldn't need pertence or whatever that seemed like the end of the universe. 09:59.099 --> 10:04.825 [SPEAKER_04]: And you do forge a bond that is not easily broken and you can go back and pick it up again. 10:05.045 --> 10:05.526 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:05.506 --> 10:07.711 [SPEAKER_02]: I went on a girl's trip with my college friends. 10:08.071 --> 10:12.060 [SPEAKER_02]: A few years ago now, we're overdo for another one, but it was just like that. 10:12.300 --> 10:14.004 [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't seen each other for years. 10:14.244 --> 10:23.143 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll text obviously and like Marco Polo back and forth, but to be together for a whole weekend, it had been a really long time, but it felt like it had been yesterday. 10:24.001 --> 10:26.686 [SPEAKER_02]: because we bonded a lot in college, we learned how to be adults together. 10:26.846 --> 10:29.310 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have that bond, and then it just carries through like that. 10:29.791 --> 10:33.298 [SPEAKER_02]: But it is painful too, because there are people that you think you're in me friends with forever. 10:33.318 --> 10:34.780 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 10:34.800 --> 10:36.103 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just gonna be what it is. 10:36.183 --> 10:37.706 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it shifts. 10:37.746 --> 10:43.215 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that idea of the backpack and you take what you learned and you bring that with you into the next friendship. 10:43.275 --> 10:45.019 [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't always mean it was bad. 10:45.199 --> 10:46.802 [SPEAKER_02]: It just means it was first season. 10:47.162 --> 10:48.625 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's hard to remember. 10:48.605 --> 10:54.632 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think to obey that Nudge to, in fact, I just did this right before I got on this conversation with you, Stefan. 10:54.792 --> 11:01.700 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember, oh, so-and-so, who I just met a year ago, texted me last weekend and I didn't respond to her and I hardly know her. 11:02.040 --> 11:04.182 [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought she took some time to do that. 11:04.523 --> 11:05.584 [SPEAKER_04]: I need to respond to her. 11:05.644 --> 11:14.253 [SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe it's I need to reach out to so-and-so, you know, and if they don't ever respond back, okay, I felt the Nudge and I followed it. 11:14.334 --> 11:14.854 [SPEAKER_04]: I obeyed it. 11:14.914 --> 11:15.675 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 11:15.807 --> 11:16.328 [SPEAKER_04]: Never know. 11:16.749 --> 11:22.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I was just so my dear friend Crystal, she goes to church with us and our daughters are friend. 11:22.923 --> 11:27.994 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really pulled back a lot of friendships when I started working because I had to figure out how to work. 11:28.174 --> 11:33.867 [SPEAKER_02]: And be focused on my family and it was very lonely for me because I'm usually very social. 11:34.083 --> 11:38.812 [SPEAKER_02]: She, like, I have told her how much it meant to me what she's invited me to her birthday tea. 11:39.393 --> 11:43.139 [SPEAKER_02]: And I went and I just had, you know what? 11:43.219 --> 11:46.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I haven't been invited to anything for a really long time. 11:46.866 --> 11:47.647 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Russia. 11:48.048 --> 11:51.054 [SPEAKER_02]: And it just meant the world to me that you thought of me. 11:51.074 --> 11:54.640 [SPEAKER_02]: And just like, you know what, I wasn't going to, because I thought this is during the weekday. 11:54.620 --> 12:01.429 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're probably really busy working and you have other things to do, but the Holy Spirit said invite her, and I didn't know it was going to mean so much to you. 12:01.649 --> 12:06.375 [SPEAKER_02]: But it really gave me a little bit of hope that I need to cling on because of her obedience to the spirit. 12:06.676 --> 12:20.514 [SPEAKER_04]: So, because of that wild and to do it on the flip flop, the flip flop, but that example, I remember when I was newly married and I was just starting a ministry and I was speaking and my best friend who had been in my wedding was getting married. 12:21.034 --> 12:23.057 [SPEAKER_04]: She did not ask me to be in her wedding. 12:23.037 --> 12:28.047 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was just floored and I called her and I said, why didn't you ask to pay her with it? 12:28.167 --> 12:29.089 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it was weird. 12:29.109 --> 12:30.411 [SPEAKER_04]: That kind of relationship. 12:30.431 --> 12:30.692 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 12:30.712 --> 12:32.055 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought you were too busy. 12:32.415 --> 12:34.018 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, but you could ask. 12:34.499 --> 12:35.601 [SPEAKER_04]: And let me decide. 12:35.641 --> 12:37.926 [SPEAKER_04]: And I, she realized she was afraid of rejection. 12:37.986 --> 12:40.651 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just we get so wonky. 12:40.771 --> 12:41.753 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't we, you know. 12:41.874 --> 12:42.615 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 12:42.595 --> 12:43.176 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 12:43.236 --> 12:44.597 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because no one wants to be rejected. 12:44.657 --> 12:47.600 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody wants to protect themselves and just make it easier. 12:47.640 --> 12:49.021 [SPEAKER_02]: Relationships are hard enough. 12:49.061 --> 12:50.442 [SPEAKER_02]: We have husbands and kids to deal with. 12:50.482 --> 12:52.704 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, it's not the friendships easier. 12:52.904 --> 12:54.406 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they're so important. 12:54.626 --> 12:54.866 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 12:54.886 --> 12:58.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is anyone who's listening and is feeling a nudge by the Holy Spirit. 12:58.410 --> 12:59.751 [SPEAKER_02]: This is us telling you. 12:59.991 --> 13:00.531 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for you. 13:00.692 --> 13:01.372 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the problem. 13:01.392 --> 13:01.953 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for you. 13:02.493 --> 13:07.318 [SPEAKER_02]: Go text to friends that you've been meaning to reach out to because it might make you really big difference for them. 13:07.418 --> 13:07.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 13:07.718 --> 13:08.539 [SPEAKER_02]: So pause now. 13:08.719 --> 13:09.900 [SPEAKER_02]: Go text and then come back. 13:10.240 --> 13:10.881 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job. 13:11.013 --> 13:11.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay. 13:11.754 --> 13:14.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to dig into scripture a little bit and talk about community. 13:15.057 --> 13:19.741 [SPEAKER_02]: Like are there women in scripture who kind of you think of when you think of community? 13:19.781 --> 13:25.066 [SPEAKER_02]: Or is there a way that like Jesus modeled community with women if people who followed him? 13:25.466 --> 13:27.949 [SPEAKER_02]: And how can we kind of apply that to us today? 13:28.069 --> 13:30.231 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd love that question. 13:30.371 --> 13:31.332 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's interesting. 13:31.372 --> 13:35.195 [SPEAKER_04]: There's tons, there's tons and tons of examples of it. 13:35.396 --> 13:39.079 [SPEAKER_04]: I think about Jesus in the home of Mary in Martha. 13:39.059 --> 13:45.894 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think about the community there where nobody else has mentioned in that story except Mary and Martha. 13:46.235 --> 13:49.281 [SPEAKER_04]: But you know there are other students they're learning from the rabbi. 13:49.482 --> 13:52.508 [SPEAKER_04]: So you see Jesus hanging out with women so to speak. 13:52.709 --> 13:56.477 [SPEAKER_04]: I love, I love in Luke chapter 8. 13:56.457 --> 14:00.561 [SPEAKER_04]: The first couple of verses, and I'm just going to grab them and read them here. 14:00.941 --> 14:16.515 [SPEAKER_04]: After this, Jesus traveled about from one town village to another proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God, the 12 for with him, verse 2, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases, Mary called Magdalene from whom seven demons had come out. 14:16.975 --> 14:25.603 [SPEAKER_04]: Joanna the wife had chosen the manager of heroes, Herod's Susanna, and many others, these women were helping to support them out of their own means. 14:25.583 --> 14:34.675 [SPEAKER_04]: To me, that is just such a gorgeous example of community that the twelve are there, and Jesus is traveling, and it's a real time ministry. 14:34.715 --> 14:41.403 [SPEAKER_04]: These are in his three very vibrant years of active ministry on the planet, and the twelve are there. 14:41.463 --> 14:46.530 [SPEAKER_04]: We saw him call them and all four of the gospels is powerful, but also some women. 14:46.710 --> 14:52.317 [SPEAKER_04]: Some women that he had healed, some women that he had impacted, some women that he had influenced, some women that he had saved. 14:52.685 --> 15:01.287 [SPEAKER_04]: They're helping to support them, not just Jesus, them, the 12 out of their own means. 15:01.808 --> 15:09.327 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, we'll see about that in Acts, you know, two and four and five, we'll see how they're early church supported each other. 15:09.307 --> 15:19.443 [SPEAKER_04]: But that Lucas just bizarre and bonkers in terms of how he underlines the importance of women in his story of Jesus. 15:19.984 --> 15:29.820 [SPEAKER_04]: And those three verses, I think, are the highlight for me of how Jesus not just included, but called an equipped woman and received their gifts. 15:29.840 --> 15:30.642 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's where I go. 15:30.822 --> 15:31.483 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 15:31.463 --> 15:36.187 [SPEAKER_02]: So what would your encouragement be for women who are listening with that verse in mind? 15:36.427 --> 15:38.990 [SPEAKER_04]: With that verse in mind, don't hold back. 15:40.291 --> 15:44.194 [SPEAKER_04]: You've got some kind of gifting that God has entrusted to you. 15:44.274 --> 15:48.338 [SPEAKER_04]: I think one of our greatest struggles this women is we wait to be invited. 15:48.598 --> 15:50.500 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, well, no, he's called me. 15:50.860 --> 15:51.881 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's included me. 15:51.961 --> 15:53.242 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's reached out to me. 15:53.362 --> 15:55.244 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody said sit here next to me. 15:55.284 --> 15:57.706 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody started a conversation with me. 15:57.826 --> 15:59.648 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody noticed I showed up. 15:59.628 --> 16:01.831 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody called on me when I raised my hand. 16:02.212 --> 16:06.377 [SPEAKER_04]: We wait to be invited instead of realizing God is already invited us. 16:06.718 --> 16:12.766 [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone on this, we've been invited, just because we're his creatures made in his image. 16:12.786 --> 16:13.708 [SPEAKER_04]: He's already invited us. 16:13.748 --> 16:20.337 [SPEAKER_04]: So say yes to RSVPS, say yes, be the first one, initiate, start it. 16:20.317 --> 16:21.519 [SPEAKER_04]: turn to the person in your right. 16:21.559 --> 16:26.325 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so many times we're lonely because we're waiting for somebody to notice us. 16:26.586 --> 16:41.366 [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas if we could just notice somebody else, I haven't meant her who used to say, you know, we're all people who have arrows attached to us and the arrows are either pointing at us, your I am people, or they're pointed outward, they're you are people. 16:41.646 --> 16:43.769 [SPEAKER_04]: And when you're a there you are a person. 16:43.989 --> 16:49.497 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody loves you because you're 16:50.405 --> 16:59.861 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, as seen as much as you want to be because you're really focused on seeing others, but if we get all panties and water about that, we're never going to be seeing. 16:59.981 --> 17:01.063 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, God sees us. 17:01.403 --> 17:02.345 [SPEAKER_04]: We've been seen. 17:02.705 --> 17:04.689 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's turn it around and notice others. 17:04.769 --> 17:08.795 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's turn it around and say, yes, and say, here I am. 17:08.896 --> 17:09.797 [SPEAKER_04]: How can I help you? 17:09.777 --> 17:17.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that women, especially, and I think it starts from a very young age with our young girls, feel like they're just either too much or not enough. 17:18.105 --> 17:24.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I have too much personality, I'm just too overwhelming, like drinking from a fire hydrant, you know? 17:24.972 --> 17:26.634 [SPEAKER_02]: Or like I'm not good enough. 17:26.934 --> 17:28.496 [SPEAKER_02]: And both those things are lies. 17:28.556 --> 17:38.005 [SPEAKER_02]: There may be truth to both of them, not the good enough, but you know, like you might be shy and quiet, and you might be a huge personality, but that doesn't mean that you're not wanted. 17:38.285 --> 17:39.126 [SPEAKER_02]: It means. 17:39.106 --> 17:43.952 [SPEAKER_02]: that you're going to bring your own giftings and personalities to table, because everyone needs someone who's a lot. 17:44.493 --> 17:45.935 [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone needs the question. 17:46.095 --> 17:48.518 [SPEAKER_04]: And personalities are really unique. 17:48.558 --> 17:51.843 [SPEAKER_04]: Some if you're going to do any at-ground work, and fours can be too much. 17:52.383 --> 17:54.907 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, others can feel like they're too little, whatever. 17:55.087 --> 17:57.110 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody's personalized going to work it out differently. 17:57.350 --> 17:59.713 [SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is everybody's needed. 17:59.693 --> 18:11.214 [SPEAKER_04]: And Paul's words in, in first Corinthians, in Romans 12, in first Corinthians, in saying if the body can say to the foot, I don't need you, well, where's the walking going to be or where's the mouth where's the talking going to be? 18:11.254 --> 18:12.075 [SPEAKER_04]: We're all needed. 18:12.877 --> 18:15.221 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's really tough to embrace that at times. 18:15.722 --> 18:19.188 [SPEAKER_04]: I've kind of friend who, and this is another is the flip side of it. 18:19.208 --> 18:21.212 [SPEAKER_04]: I think sometimes we are too much. 18:21.192 --> 18:23.215 [SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes we aren't not enough. 18:23.435 --> 18:24.376 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's legit. 18:24.737 --> 18:26.720 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't want to dismiss that either. 18:27.200 --> 18:29.624 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got a friend who I was just going to share this. 18:29.644 --> 18:32.007 [SPEAKER_04]: So a friend who said, is something wrong with me. 18:32.348 --> 18:33.730 [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't feel right inside. 18:33.930 --> 18:36.013 [SPEAKER_04]: And then she meant, I feel like I'm too much. 18:36.373 --> 18:37.455 [SPEAKER_04]: Or I feel like I'm not enough. 18:37.755 --> 18:40.439 [SPEAKER_04]: And she would, she's probably said that to me three or four times. 18:40.539 --> 18:44.104 [SPEAKER_04]: And my tendencies to go, oh, no, no, no, you're, you're fine. 18:44.124 --> 18:45.446 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, no, that kind of thing. 18:45.766 --> 18:46.407 [SPEAKER_04]: And it hit me. 18:46.447 --> 18:46.948 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what? 18:47.148 --> 18:50.473 [SPEAKER_04]: Something is off inside her and she's noticing that. 18:50.453 --> 18:52.696 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, you know what, I think you should listen to that. 18:53.017 --> 18:54.479 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you're not okay. 18:54.699 --> 18:56.062 [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe you're work. 18:56.422 --> 19:06.517 [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe it's a good time to invest in some counseling or invest in some life coaching or invest in just building your personality or some professional skills. 19:06.978 --> 19:08.500 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we can dismiss that too. 19:08.881 --> 19:10.183 [SPEAKER_04]: And a real friend will go, 19:10.163 --> 19:10.724 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 19:10.804 --> 19:12.306 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not just going to gloss over that. 19:12.346 --> 19:13.007 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's pause. 19:13.327 --> 19:15.730 [SPEAKER_04]: What might be off and how can you address it? 19:16.170 --> 19:17.292 [SPEAKER_04]: Because that's worth 12, too. 19:17.512 --> 19:17.913 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:17.933 --> 19:20.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's a hard conversation to have, like, what a blessing. 19:20.556 --> 19:23.560 [SPEAKER_02]: That is to have a friend who can say, like, hey, you're not okay. 19:24.040 --> 19:27.164 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, at your just not, you're not thriving right now. 19:27.184 --> 19:29.087 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's something that isn't quite right. 19:29.227 --> 19:30.689 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I want to help you. 19:30.989 --> 19:34.493 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's figure out where how you can get help because gorgeous. 19:34.734 --> 19:35.074 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:35.054 --> 19:36.097 [SPEAKER_02]: everyone needs that. 19:36.197 --> 19:40.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you don't even realize that you're not doing well until someone's like, hey, you seem off. 19:41.032 --> 19:44.322 [SPEAKER_02]: And those are kind of scary because you don't want to get mad at you or offended. 19:44.892 --> 19:46.254 [SPEAKER_04]: very scary. 19:46.294 --> 19:48.877 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what we need to go take another course from Henry Cloud. 19:48.937 --> 19:54.122 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, we just we've got to keep growing ourselves and be honest. 19:54.143 --> 19:54.323 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 19:54.623 --> 19:54.843 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:55.184 --> 19:55.464 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:55.524 --> 20:00.390 [SPEAKER_02]: No, God creates us all differently, and he puts people in our lives for a specific reason. 20:00.510 --> 20:07.778 [SPEAKER_02]: I just thinking about one of my dear friends, Ashley, our daughter's dance together, and we frequently will go on walks during dance. 20:08.129 --> 20:10.292 [SPEAKER_02]: and just around the studio at this little four mile loop. 20:10.312 --> 20:11.433 [SPEAKER_02]: And we wear our weighted breasts. 20:11.613 --> 20:17.040 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, I am, you're like, type A engineer and I am the type, and I am the type B creative. 20:17.100 --> 20:20.384 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're like, we're just working together to solve the world's problems in our lives. 20:20.564 --> 20:21.685 [SPEAKER_04]: We're like, nice. 20:21.705 --> 20:21.825 [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. 20:21.845 --> 20:23.187 [SPEAKER_04]: You should run for Oculus, yeah. 20:23.487 --> 20:28.333 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we could because she'll bring the type A that we all need and I will bring some creativity. 20:28.653 --> 20:31.757 [SPEAKER_02]: But together, we just are gonna figure it all out together. 20:31.737 --> 20:32.699 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so good. 20:32.879 --> 20:33.721 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's fun. 20:34.342 --> 20:40.032 [SPEAKER_02]: What would she say to the woman listening who feels a little unseen or alone right now? 20:40.152 --> 20:47.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Like how can she either maybe even lean into that or kind of reach out and find community go first. 20:47.445 --> 20:51.332 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so hard to do that, but take a deep breath and go first. 20:51.312 --> 20:57.782 [SPEAKER_04]: The reality is that I know we have seasons where we can't absorb this reality. 20:57.962 --> 20:59.344 [SPEAKER_04]: The reality is we are loved. 20:59.685 --> 21:03.290 [SPEAKER_04]: Each one of us, you are loved exactly the way you are. 21:03.370 --> 21:05.754 [SPEAKER_04]: God sees you exactly the way you are. 21:05.794 --> 21:19.395 [SPEAKER_04]: Take Psalm 139 and put your name in where every time it says, as far as I go from the east to the west, you're with me, you're with Elisa, you're with Steph, personalize it. 21:19.375 --> 21:24.202 [SPEAKER_04]: take first Corinthians 13 and personalize it, put your name in the blanks. 21:24.222 --> 21:37.220 [SPEAKER_04]: When we, I mean, scripture is a communal communication is not just meant for us alone, but when we're struggling to see ourselves to know that God sees us, let's start with that very personal love letter. 21:37.240 --> 21:38.121 [SPEAKER_04]: God sees you. 21:38.542 --> 21:39.082 [SPEAKER_04]: He hears you. 21:39.323 --> 21:41.406 [SPEAKER_04]: He loves you because you are his. 21:41.566 --> 21:48.235 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what the tagline for God hears 21:48.215 --> 21:51.860 [SPEAKER_04]: write yourself a sticky note and put it on your mirror every day. 21:52.081 --> 21:55.866 [SPEAKER_04]: When you get in the card to drive off, look over to the passenger side. 21:55.907 --> 22:00.233 [SPEAKER_04]: Even if you've got kids strapped in the back, look over the passenger side and go not alone. 22:00.574 --> 22:01.295 [SPEAKER_04]: He's right there. 22:01.335 --> 22:02.897 [SPEAKER_04]: God is with me. 22:03.558 --> 22:09.066 [SPEAKER_04]: Memorize some of these scriptures that nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. 22:09.086 --> 22:12.872 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, not height nor depth nor anything like that. 22:12.852 --> 22:39.889 [SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's really tough to get through a certain personality types, especially certain people when they've been deeply wounded, and a special seasons, where it feels like every door has just been slammed in our face, but as we reach out and realize every single human on the planet has that same doubt and fear of being unseen and unknown, reach out and watch from this place at being the same. 22:39.869 --> 23:08.273 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so when we have to do the inner work before we can go and experience true really good community which is always hard and finding community is really tough and I think one thing that you said earlier that that was really interesting and I want to go like a way back for a second is that you had a lot of friends who were neighbors and not Christians and sometimes I think we get a little afraid of that potentially because we're like we want to surround ourselves with Christian community and biblical community and that's very important. 23:08.253 --> 23:12.865 [SPEAKER_02]: But what about the people in your life who may not follow Jesus? 23:13.245 --> 23:21.827 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have a great relationship with like how, how do we enter into that type of community and be loving but also the light of Jesus? 23:22.148 --> 23:25.857 [SPEAKER_04]: I was terrified of non-Christian friends for a lot of years. 23:25.837 --> 23:29.000 [SPEAKER_04]: It was so much like, they're the demon or something like that. 23:29.020 --> 23:33.985 [SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, I'd be on my most wanted list and I'm out to change them. 23:34.065 --> 23:36.207 [SPEAKER_04]: And there have been a couple of seasons in my life. 23:36.267 --> 23:39.190 [SPEAKER_04]: And I would say in the last 20 years, so it's been later in my life. 23:39.390 --> 23:41.472 [SPEAKER_04]: Where God has just said, go love them. 23:41.692 --> 23:43.894 [SPEAKER_04]: And I've gotten to where it's going to sound terrible. 23:44.034 --> 23:46.276 [SPEAKER_04]: But lots of times, I like no Christians better than Christians. 23:46.477 --> 23:48.038 [SPEAKER_02]: I just said, no, I agree. 23:48.819 --> 23:51.201 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're really good for no Christians. 23:51.942 --> 23:53.363 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not evil. 23:53.512 --> 23:53.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 23:54.253 --> 23:55.774 [SPEAKER_04]: I went on a walk with a friend. 23:55.814 --> 24:00.359 [SPEAKER_04]: I've known her about six years now and she's been on a journey to know God. 24:00.379 --> 24:02.981 [SPEAKER_04]: She lost her son about 10 years ago. 24:03.021 --> 24:04.143 [SPEAKER_04]: He was maybe 40. 24:04.203 --> 24:10.889 [SPEAKER_04]: So she's in her 70s and I we walk off and I remember one time as I first was getting to know her. 24:11.270 --> 24:13.912 [SPEAKER_04]: She has to be she goes, why is God so important to you? 24:14.513 --> 24:15.954 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just climbed up. 24:16.034 --> 24:17.796 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, you know, and you know what? 24:17.916 --> 24:19.758 [SPEAKER_04]: It was the most sharpening question. 24:20.058 --> 24:20.599 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 24:20.579 --> 24:24.266 [SPEAKER_04]: It made me pull back and go, let's not just spout something out here. 24:24.426 --> 24:26.130 [SPEAKER_04]: Why is he so important to me? 24:26.671 --> 24:32.823 [SPEAKER_04]: Because people would know me, oh, at least some Morgan, she speaks over here, or she writes over here, and they assign this identity to me. 24:33.023 --> 24:36.991 [SPEAKER_04]: NonChristians help us understand and take a look at, well, who am I really? 24:37.051 --> 24:40.798 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was able to blurt out after a bit. 24:40.778 --> 24:43.581 [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess he just gives me stability. 24:43.781 --> 24:47.304 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been through a lot of crap in my life, and God loves me still. 24:48.005 --> 24:48.426 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what? 24:48.446 --> 24:50.067 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the most amazing thing now. 24:50.408 --> 24:51.569 [SPEAKER_04]: I can tell her anything. 24:52.109 --> 24:54.672 [SPEAKER_04]: I can pray for her, over her, with her. 24:55.052 --> 24:57.575 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never prayed with her to receive Christ. 24:58.596 --> 24:58.736 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 24:58.756 --> 25:02.620 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not invited me to do that, but she comes to me with struggles. 25:02.860 --> 25:08.085 [SPEAKER_04]: And now she would say one of her best friends, and I would 25:08.065 --> 25:21.732 [SPEAKER_04]: I think more than she used to, but we're still in a journey together, so for me, it has so deeply enriched me to know that people are people, or people, and I'm not responsible for fixing everything in them. 25:22.113 --> 25:23.796 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just responsible to love them. 25:23.776 --> 25:26.780 [SPEAKER_04]: And to say how to do that, just be vulnerable. 25:27.180 --> 25:35.311 [SPEAKER_04]: First, as the mobs president and the mom co-president says now make it awkward, make it weird, hug people a little bit longer than it's comfortable. 25:35.511 --> 25:40.617 [SPEAKER_04]: Suggest that you play a board game or something goofy, you know, just do it. 25:40.878 --> 25:43.581 [SPEAKER_04]: And the connection might stun us. 25:43.821 --> 25:44.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:44.262 --> 25:51.816 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I most of my friends, my closest friends are Christians, because we relate in that way, in our, that's the foundation of our lives. 25:52.037 --> 25:58.289 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, just like you, some of my favorite friends are not, and it is because we have the best conversations. 25:58.549 --> 26:05.663 [SPEAKER_02]: And they challenge my beliefs, because I can't just spit out a Christian-ease answer that everyone's like, yes, I agree. 26:05.643 --> 26:10.910 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to really think through what I'm saying to them that I'm really stating what I believe. 26:11.011 --> 26:29.136 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to know why I believe that and I have to represent Jesus well well doing it and I have to love them in a way that represents Jesus and it is it is sharpening and it is one of my favorites and they also call me you know one her brother-in-law died and I was the first person she called and was like I have so many questions I'm like I don't 26:29.116 --> 26:39.525 [SPEAKER_02]: have that many answers, but I have a year for you, like, and I'm here, because I think it is easy to get afraid of that, but there's so much good fruit that comes from it. 26:39.545 --> 26:39.826 [SPEAKER_01]: There is. 26:40.146 --> 26:40.707 [SPEAKER_01]: There's people. 26:41.487 --> 26:44.430 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's, we make it so much harder than God does. 26:44.810 --> 26:47.252 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he just love your neighbor as yourself. 26:47.753 --> 26:51.096 [SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's a pretty clearly, you know, love me and love others. 26:51.356 --> 26:52.297 [SPEAKER_04]: Why do you think that's so hard? 26:52.717 --> 26:55.720 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 26:55.760 --> 26:58.903 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I was maybe 26:58.883 --> 27:01.072 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was going to corrupt me. 27:01.112 --> 27:07.577 [SPEAKER_04]: God is God, and he makes it clear what's going to work and what isn't. 27:07.945 --> 27:33.177 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I swallowed a lot of fear that I was going to go off the rails and the reality is he lives within us and he people want him they want to be loved they want desperately to be loved seeing and heard just like we just described that stuff you know we all want to be seen we all want to be listened to it's pretty easy thing to give people what we want ourselves. 27:33.157 --> 27:33.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 27:33.798 --> 27:38.064 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you have the hope of Jesus and the love of Jesus, and you know what it is, you want it for everyone. 27:38.245 --> 27:39.867 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's easy to share. 27:39.927 --> 27:41.910 [SPEAKER_02]: It's sometimes too easy to share where you want it. 27:41.970 --> 27:47.358 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, not pray for the for your friend to accept Jesus because she hasn't invited you to yet. 27:47.558 --> 27:47.999 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard. 27:48.019 --> 27:52.005 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a hard balance of how do I do that. 27:52.285 --> 27:54.068 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like how do I share? 27:54.128 --> 27:56.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even have no other choice. 27:56.231 --> 28:02.961 [SPEAKER_04]: This is with her like that of like, 28:03.616 --> 28:05.039 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:05.059 --> 28:05.419 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 28:05.900 --> 28:06.341 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:06.581 --> 28:07.603 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's good. 28:07.663 --> 28:08.285 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it is. 28:08.365 --> 28:15.558 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a balance of like, I don't want me to pushy, but I want, and I've, I've asked friends of where I'm like, I just want to confirm like, you know where I stand, right? 28:15.818 --> 28:17.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what I believe. 28:17.622 --> 28:18.423 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, yeah. 28:18.443 --> 28:18.644 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 28:18.664 --> 28:19.265 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, good. 28:19.405 --> 28:20.187 [SPEAKER_02]: As long as we're clear. 28:20.227 --> 28:22.671 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah. 28:22.932 --> 28:23.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:23.292 --> 28:23.613 [SPEAKER_02]: And it is. 28:23.693 --> 28:24.274 [SPEAKER_02]: It's refining. 28:24.473 --> 28:24.833 [SPEAKER_02]: for sure. 28:25.154 --> 28:31.841 [SPEAKER_02]: As we wrap up our time, what would your kind of final encouragement be to parents that are listening right now? 28:32.121 --> 28:33.703 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you said it in a way. 28:34.303 --> 28:37.867 [SPEAKER_04]: We weren't meant to parent alone, so don't let her hit alone. 28:38.067 --> 28:50.700 [SPEAKER_04]: Whether you get involved in a meet up through the mom co or at your local church or a neighbor or you trade babysitting or you invite an older mom to mentor you. 28:51.963 --> 28:53.465 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a million ways to do it. 28:54.126 --> 28:54.887 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't do it alone. 28:55.087 --> 28:58.793 [SPEAKER_04]: And for single moms, especially my heart just goes to you. 28:58.833 --> 28:59.994 [SPEAKER_04]: I know how hard it is. 29:00.195 --> 29:01.697 [SPEAKER_04]: Make time for yourself. 29:01.877 --> 29:13.393 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's a lunch hour time when you and another friend can just go for a walk or you've got a friend who lives maybe works across the city from you and you both have to pick up your kids at a certain time. 29:13.554 --> 29:16.738 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, maybe you just make a face time appointment. 29:16.718 --> 29:34.842 [SPEAKER_04]: to talk on your break for 15 minutes or something, but be intentional about it, your needs matter, and you're not crazy for feeling exhausted and like you just don't want to maybe even give into the relationship with your spouse or something that's so normal and you weren't meant to be alone. 29:34.942 --> 29:41.511 [SPEAKER_04]: So I would encourage you to go first, to reach out, to keep reaching out, until it works. 29:41.558 --> 29:43.321 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you so much. 29:43.401 --> 29:49.292 [SPEAKER_02]: That is, I feel like everything you've said is so wise and I really appreciate you coming and sharing with us and encouraging us. 29:49.532 --> 29:50.414 [SPEAKER_02]: I just thank you. 29:50.714 --> 29:51.816 [SPEAKER_03]: My joy, my joy. 29:51.936 --> 29:52.497 [SPEAKER_03]: Love to you. 29:52.758 --> 29:56.344 [SPEAKER_03]: Stuff to spend great chat with you and one won't want everybody listening. 29:57.438 --> 29:58.961 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining us today. 29:58.981 --> 30:03.890 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that this conversation encouraged you and reminded you that you are not meant to do this alone. 30:04.451 --> 30:12.345 [SPEAKER_02]: If this episode was meaningful, it would mean so much to me if you would just take a quick minute to like the show, subscribe so you never miss an episode and then leave a review. 30:12.806 --> 30:17.775 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the best ways to help other parents find this encouragement and join our little Christian parenting community. 30:18.312 --> 30:20.897 [SPEAKER_02]: May God bless you as you step into the rest of your week. 30:21.298 --> 30:29.575 [SPEAKER_02]: May he so round you with the people you need, give you the courage to reach out first, and may you feel deeply seen and fully loved by the one who created you. 30:30.136 --> 30:32.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for listening, we'll see you again next week.