[SPEAKER_04]: What is up, everybody?
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Comic Book Club on the Alex.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Justin.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we are here with a special guest for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kyle Starks, welcome back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kyle, great chatting with you.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's me, I'm Karl Stark, thanks for your help.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, before we even get to the general picture like the idea of the book, I just want to talk about Vertigo in general and coming to the Vertigo, we talked to Chris Condon and Jacob Phillips a couple of weeks back and they were telling pretty good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're pretty talented.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to be honest.
[SPEAKER_04]: We were talking to them about how like it was
[SPEAKER_04]: almost two years or maybe more than two years since they first came on and then ultimately there's announcement.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff to go through but how much of a process, how much of a lately process has this been for you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how long have you had to keep just sitting now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well we have eight issues done.
[SPEAKER_02]: First, first of all, there are good reasons for the delay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what, I guess I should listen to that podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris and Jacob are, are they're so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, I don't, you have to read the issue with unbelievably good, which is a barrel of the brutal dark as Rican mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's super good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so I don't know how much they said, and I'm, of course, a very good soldier, and I'm not going to say anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be very careful with my words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, in terms of schedule, there's there are the good reason why they keep sort of pushing it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: number one would be coming out April 2025.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I did believe that was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I may have made career plans based around expecting to have maybe my biggest book ever in April of 2025 that I've regret now in December 2025.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they had good reason then it was it was going to be April and I hope I can remember it was going to be April and there was just reasons for that and my
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, this is completely me guessing is that some of those books weren't ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, either for whatever reason they needed more time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They went.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's my suspicious that they pushed it back to November with my understanding is that it would be coming on November.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: The month after New York Comic Con would great timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: People will be so excited about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it can.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to get my, but I know, like, because of the Marvel DC crossover, they did not with them competing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did not want those two things having at the same time, which I think is very smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's very considerate of not only all of our team's works, the four books that are coming out, which is me, and Steve Pue, doing end of life, and Condon, and like I said, doing pair of little bit of dark, and these camp and siphon doing bleeding hearts.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the most part, and I seem, I seem tiny and would talk to where he just pumps them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I know there was going to be November and then they pushed it back to February and then they had the plan of having all the votes coming out in the same month, which I think is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So each week is sort of like week one is a nice house on the lake and then week two is I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then week three is in the life, the best week obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then.
[SPEAKER_02]: than the four, which I like, I like because it's going to be those four books for several months before the second wave, perhaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: And two of those books are supposed to be ongoing, end of life and bleeding hearts are supposed to be ongoing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as a retain is sort of an ongoing, it's going to be in six issue blocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it does well, there'll be another six issues, which will be a lot because it's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's great to have like, I don't know, it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Signaled on Thursday.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're what you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I just like.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, it's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we missed that regularity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's something that I have noticed in myself in the last couple years like I want someone to tell me when stuff's happening so that I don't have to be doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would it be a programmer?
[SPEAKER_02]: What if you knew when things were happening crazy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, to continue on this bench, Justin, I were in the crowd for the Vertigo panel.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: But one of my big takeaways, even beyond just, you know, getting to see the titles and hear about everything, was hearing Chris Conroy for those who don't know, the executive editor in charge of Vertigo and Black Label and the Elsewhere Institals.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just talking about like, one of his big ideas was, hey, what if we got teams who knew how to work together that could release on a regular schedule?
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's sort of crazy that there isn't more of that in the comic book industry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy that that's the innovation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We like, let's give people a hardy friends do a good work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I don't know how much, I don't know how much, I think Chris is more tight-lip than I am because he's more professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, my understanding again, like the reason, what, I mean, like, look, Rubik and Phillips wrote a book every year, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they, it happens, Morrison still works with quietly, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, it still happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I know for this, it was DC who I, I love because of this, which is like with the compact comics and vertigo are literally like responses to like retailer concerns.
[SPEAKER_02]: The retailers were like, they really like, hey, like, I and again, some of this is speculation and it's me speaking for people who never told me anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know I know a little bit right like it's my understanding that the reason why they did those compact comics because they were basically like hey retailer's wise management so well and the retailer like oh because they're small and they're cheap which by the way is not the correct answer for why they're doing so well but they're great they're doing great DC like DC was like what do we think
[SPEAKER_02]: like is needed for us to stay in the minds of sequential fans.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe in it's my understanding is that for this, the retailers, they're like, you know what else is wrong with comics is that there's not long run with the same creative team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're used to be in the 80s and the 70s.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're going, hey, you know what, we'll try it, but you can't sound issue six.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know how you're going to sound issue 32.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be real interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so it's like then responding and it's like, well, how do you do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you get a team go?
[SPEAKER_02]: that's going to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you get a book that you know is going to be good that could last for what's an ongoing in 2026, you know, in the say 12 issues for years with the comics, which is so big that's going to be good for 12 issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will let's get teams that people like and they know and we know they do good work and I think if you look at every single one of those teams, they're all
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, I mean, I'm on it, but they're all all start teams, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, there's such good combos and like kind of develops is a no-brainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was like, who's on it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, kind of builds on like no-brainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then is this so good and so hot right now, and everyone loved 20th century man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was long before last year, this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, did it just still like,
[SPEAKER_02]: me like maybe people do them and they like in some of the like you kind of listen I know my sales numbers I know my sales numbers but like like Dennis at New York Comic Con we did signings for the like the the vertical preview dude everyone was there to see Dennis like everyone was there to see Dennis he's he's had a huge breakout which is great which is what vertical needs because otherwise it's kind of three lower level like less recognized teams in James time in which is great
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and we're all good like the thing like I'm so happy for Dennis obviously because he deserves all that I'm super excited for Condon and Phillips because they're so good and I'm thrilled because I think it's going to be the first time a lot of people are going to see my work, but that was the trick right like so we're going to tell these guys like they have some form of freedom, uh, ownership, um, which is better than it has been that's why you always came back because if it was the same deal from last pretty good, we probably like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You won't try that hard if you don't actually not that owning makes you more invested and telling a good story, but if I'm going to do it for a long time
[SPEAKER_02]: a theoretical long time, like it should be worth my time in regards to leaving like proud of it, like proud of the work and not just going to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so getting these teams at like each other and do good work, I just think it's really smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And DC doing those two things in particular shows that at least they're aware of sort of what the market is like today and that something needs to happen and we don't who knows what that is, but I think this is very smart on their part and I'm honored to be a part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and shots to them for putting it out, they're taking some risks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like DC is especially in the last year has been really doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's exciting from the fan side.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, there was so much hype in the room at New York Comic-Con.
[SPEAKER_01]: How has it been then and since just for the line coming back, and you being a part of it, from fans?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I haven't, I think people are excited, but I'm not, I'm not the guy to ask because like, like, literally we were walking, we're like standing in the back, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's tiny in, it's as a fellow, and it's, uh, size spurrier, and uh, uh, we're going to mock you, it's like all these people who like,
[SPEAKER_02]: are huge stars, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And in like, kind of, and I were like, well, it's weird being the least known, like the least, like the lowest, huge rating person here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of was like, I don't think it's you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, you have ultimate Wolverine, and I do not.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm pretty sure it's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm probably the last person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just tell me, sorry, let me interrupt you there and say, let me interrupt you there and say, you brought the energy there on the panel that like, you big up to Chris in a way where he was like, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I did not want to do New York Comic-Con because it's a huge, it's a huge inconvenience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, like, the money is going down for me, which is neither here nor there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's another podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of during those shows, but there's so many people there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of competition in regards to someone caring about me specifically, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to do it because it's just a pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I knew that they were announcing the books there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Steve Steve is he refers himself as quote participation at verse, which is a nice way to say like extremely misinthropic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I knew if I didn't go there, my book would not be talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or it'd be passing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like we might get a video and I know our, my intent was as like well, I'm a big personality.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I think people can even engage with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say, hopefully.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I can part of like, I've sold a lot of books just by being charming and somewhat funny, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: One, and I'm like, well, look, this is my window and I can promise you if there was what 300 people in that room, like, maybe like,
[SPEAKER_02]: 30 of them probably really knew who I was or were familiar with my work outside of maybe like piece maker or love or Rick and Morty right and like none of those are those are all books I'm very proud of and they're very much Kyle Starks books extremely Kyle Starks books but they're not the best representation of what I do as a as a voice as a creator so I knew like
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Ezreal doesn't have do knitting and I think you saw like that's a good boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like, I just have to do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm trying to just have to do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're going to sell the books they're going to sell and it's going to be great for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, also people are just going to be excited about their books because their books that people are familiar with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no one knows who I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris was, Chris was saying the same thing, like known as I am either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't think that's true, but I also like always assume people have better taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do like everyone read that text and blood and anchor a gangmaster, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like surely they did, surely they did and they're like, you'd be surprised and I'm like, I wouldn't be, I know what my sales number is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I knew I had to go big.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also thought, um, if I get bored at a, if I get bored on a panel,
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the people in the crowd are bored.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying I was bored.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Conroy did an amazing job on that panel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he did the best job you could have done.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like tight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every moment, like everyone got like everything got like their spotlight.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was done so well and then I told him that afterwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I felt like Condon like who's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like, like, Edgar Baker too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we say 2.0, Edgar, like, he's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds clever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very stylistically similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's very similar, like, super similar in terms of tone, I think, like, not content necessarily, but it's just it's smart and it's well-written.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, it's composed in a really, like, like, literary, writerly way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I didn't think he sold his book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think he hides just the way it should have been and I'm going to jump in and he did think he's like he's like he's like you got a lot more energy than me and I'm like well this is all I got you know This is all I can bring to the table, but it's like he's I'm looking good I read it like it wasn't I haven't read the other books.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't speak to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've read that book and it's dope.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good and it's like you got to say things like piping things apart of the job and it's hard and not everyone can do it
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say well, but it's hard like it's not like we're telling stories and I don't think I'm as good as typing when once we get into live I'll be like I don't know if I actually hype that very well I thought it's saying like the same things over and over But it's like at least be like who was that guy at the very least on a panel would be like who was that guy?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, maybe I'll take out the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: He seemed funny or interesting or clever or charming or, I don't know, I'm probably going to notice it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he seemed like a real doofus, like a really extreme doofus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't know what to talk about the book, but just to stay out this for a moment, because it is what a by personal pet piece about the comic book industry is it kind of stakes that people have to double duty that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about this on the live show the other day.
[SPEAKER_04]: That, like, Stanley obviously was born to be a pitchman,
[SPEAKER_04]: But that every editor is now like, I have to be stand lead to point, oh, I don't think is fair to their skill set, you know, the editors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like that they don't have to be up there being like who's doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's, I think that's, I'm not going to call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who's doing Stanley stuff, not like, listen, Connery did a great job at Connery, and I must say, like, editor of her so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love my editors or the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not disparaging any of them, but it's not him who were screaming about books.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's us, it's us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not like, it feels like, oh, man, editor and she's Stanley's promoting his books real good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, really crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: like wow that's amazing the publisher the publisher is like really getting on a soapbox so to speak and yelling about
[SPEAKER_02]: their books at the top that's crazy can you imagine like we're expected to do it and our audience can't grow it doesn't make any sense my audience can only grow by a book doing well it's like so like what's the what's the marketing metric of that i this is a conversation i can have at link because it's it's been the state of comics in December 2020 five is both my favorite conversation and my least favorite conversation at the same time like i love talking about it but like
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a weird thing is like they all have marketing department, they all have PR people, but it's like, you're I am on a podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I say this like, and I tell my wife, like, maybe we'll do less shows next year, but like shows are promotion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Podcasts are promotion and in this industry, in this industry, there's only three places to promote.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's in comic shop, which means you have to get a retailer on board to actually sell your book.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't mean like they don't sell books.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean like out of 30 books that come out every month, you got to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, my mind's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's worth it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can, like, they won't regret if you get them to buy it for $5 or $4 or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's podcasts and there's social media.
[SPEAKER_02]: And social media is dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of what it was seven years ago, I think a lot of people have moved to private disc boards.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there is, like, even Instagram, but I thought Instagram surely will stick is not doing well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no place where you need to go outside of disc boards, newsletters, which you have to sign up for.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bad so like convention conventions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean conventions are promoted and I think conventions and podcasts are the same It's like now I'm in front of an audience if not the audience it has to deal with me every day because they've chosen to It's me trying to find new people and just like that convinced are the panel like I have to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve's not gonna be there
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we're both not there like that means our book gets maybe a best like a 20 whatever it was 45 second video and So it sucks because it's just it seems like there's probably other ways one could do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure But this definitely
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is crazy how much of a personal pull from an audience numbers is like the defining factor and getting something over the line, both for the, uh, a lot of people who are like, I don't really have a big audience but I've been doing this for 30 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like a literal online fan base of sub-stack subscribers or someone who has a huge sub-stack subscriber ship or social media presence who doesn't know anything about comics.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I sold three books here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like what the fuck are we doing here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, backwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's super weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's it's it's frustrating because I people like comics like people clearly like sequential storytelling and i think people want new book people want new books and new creators bad you could be excited just on our show when we say like oh we really like this book they're like what is it i'm i'm dying from new story that really gets what
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's my thing in that regard, especially again right now because comics are so expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they are, they're so expensive and everything's dictated on everything in this industry is dictated on a single floppy that comes out once every month.
[SPEAKER_02]: These kids can't wait a week to watch a TV show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Young people like which legit, I don't want to wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had never liked television, I like movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like television a lot now because you can watch it on the blocks that you can control.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't love waiting a week to see the next law.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I didn't because it was so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what there was also like I don't know something else show on that I never what because it wasn't worth waiting a week for, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So today is like we go okay everything is dependent on this single issue that's five dollars which is what happened at Netflix subscription.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it comes out every month which isn't great and also if it doesn't do well there won't be more of it and you can only get it one place like it's not online I mean it is but you know what I mean it's not we messed that up you can't get online you can't get it at Walmart you can't get it Barnes and Nobles you have to go to the specific place which I say again I'm not disparaging anyone a large percentage of those
[SPEAKER_02]: buildings, people don't want to go to.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just don't go to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you'd have to want what's inside of it so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it goes like, it's like vinyl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, vinyl is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you don't have a record player, one, it's not cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then let's just go hang on the wall, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you have to really like a band to go pay $30 for a vinyl, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to really, are you think it's so collectible, which is crazy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's great because it's entertainment to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always been entertainment to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's such a weird
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember talking to a publisher, this was like years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was before I did Rick and Morty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, why don't you guys do this thing, which was like a blind box?
[SPEAKER_02]: Something that everyone was doing that wasn't in comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing great, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a blind box or a subscription service.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, people sign up to those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just forget about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you'd make free money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you wouldn't make otherwise for like three months.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's three months profit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't get, otherwise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like just by adding like a subscription service.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the publisher said to me, and I think it's a universal mind you again, a different.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the word I'm looking for?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of different, like a cherished degrees of, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that he was like, he's like, he's like, I hear what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: He literally said, I'll never forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know where I was standing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could walk back or else I had to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's, and I was like, that's wild to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he said, I hear what you're saying and it's a good idea, but all I hear is that I have to change my business structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you wouldn't have to change your business structure one, you would be adding to your business structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not redoing anything like comic shops and floppys that all exist, but there's other ways to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like the DC thing, and again, I know it's vertigo, and it's like I'm I am like carrying the sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm carrying the soap box or whatever are the one that I can't put in the boards, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the sandwich for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wearing the sandwich for it is that I think it's great that someone's trying something and I think because of the two books I've read and bleeding hearts, I feel like a hundred percent sound like it's a category, it's a lot of and again, I say humbly, I say effectively.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's three really good creative teams that are going to do books that don't look like anything else on the shelf.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to look like not something you've seen a lot of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, and I'll say, it's like, I think in life, one of the things I love about it is that it's an extremely cow's dark book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think peacemaker was an extremely cow's dark book, and that's everything I wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, similar to peacemaker, sure, but I don't think anyone else should make comics like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's anyone who makes comics like content and Phillips.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's anyone who makes comics like Dennis Camp.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like they're unique, which I think is the vertigo thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's so smart to be like, hey, comics can be other things, and they can be really good, which if you think about it, if you put, that's what vertigo was the start with, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it was originally like, hey, you know, this can be, and I don't think into life necessarily falls into, they can be high art, they can be cerebral, they can be beautiful, they can be adult, which is important to cognitive readers for some reason,
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's smart because you know what manga is, it's not super heroes and huge constant huge stakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ultimately weird characters doing weird things, and I think those three books all do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's something that you could sell.
[SPEAKER_02]: If someone's like, oh, I'm interested in game comics, and it's vertical weekarts, because it looks absolutely Batman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's a lot of people who came in that don't read comics because like, I hear it's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you go, you hope that's the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: You hope people with these are cool for a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We hope you have $20.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's talk about specifically end of life then so the general concept I'll give the pitch a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can't talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's basically an assassin gets kind of screws up kind of gets screwed and he has to run away, go home.
[SPEAKER_04]: The one place he does what I go and it follows what happens as he ends up at his hometown as this assassin organization called the
[SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of the gist of it, but like you were saying, it is a very Kyle Starks book because it calls a buy a lot of the other things that you've done, like assassinations certainly came to my top of mine there.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's also a little bit like gross point black.
[SPEAKER_04]: It reminded me of that a little bit, just a bit of a assassin coming to a small town.
[SPEAKER_04]: But you got the humor you do have very much like the mature themes and adult storytelling that's happening in there, and you also have some gross ultraviolet happening at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I say this phrase or because I love, I love a very concise, I feel like that says it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when we had gone through some other stuff, which was trying to figure out what verdict was going to be, it's like, I was there from the very beginning, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were some of those stuff that they're like, that's not, and I was like, I have an idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's John Wick meets Northern Exposure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to do, and the other thing in Conroy said this, and I'm like, I'm glad someone else said it, because I don't want to say it, but me, it's like, it's very similar to,
[SPEAKER_02]: If preacher didn't move, if they just kind of stayed in one place, whereas I wanted this sort of like non-subverage of new characters and these sort of new story tones and how they would affect the Maker and his image.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eddie, it would work with his dad who he doesn't get along with, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think his dad sort of regrets that he made it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's these complications, his first love is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, every week, someone, every issue, someone different trying to kill them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that varies from the menagerie to there's a local, the local crime boss.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love a roadhouse.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this small town, Deathspit, is a canceled newspaper comic artist, who's turned to crime since he can't make comics anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's sort of like the roadhouse boss of this area, and Eddie has to deal with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think Steve's doing great things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the emotionality is unique.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think being very character driven, I think the way that I do that is unique.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's huge action.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a fun rom.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping over the next year to maybe make someone cry at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I won't have a lot of fun before that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's sort of the preacher thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you're these sort of three characters that we're sort of hanging out with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And bad things are happening every month in different bad things are happening every month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm not great at talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I was better.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need another Kyle Starks to be net sitting next to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that's too many.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not too many Kyle Starks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really a few.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like you really loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The imaginary Kyle next to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, without you hearing that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we conjured him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The monkey's part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have so much work to get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just to a multiplicity, to a multiplicity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that worked out famously.
[SPEAKER_04]: It did in the movie, multiplicity.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like the issue without spoiling too much about it that we've talked about like the general gist of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the things that I was always very impressed that I've always impressed by with your work is there's so much that's set up in this first issue, like you ran through a lot of those different things, but it always feels well balanced, and it's always very focused on the main character.
[SPEAKER_04]: So,
[SPEAKER_04]: at this point, you're very experienced ready comics.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that something that comes naturally, or do you have to sort of like massage it so that it really does feel like, okay, we're popping up this bit here and bringing it to the bedajary and now we're bringing it in the dad and now we're bringing it in cancelled cartoonist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good question, I go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, no, I think it's maybe natural, which is a bad answer, but I, and I feel like it's something that I really had to work on.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first issue, the first issue should set, should set it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not like TV where you have a pilot in the pilot that's that I've been a dozen poorly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the first issue needs, I think first issue companies need to do two things.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need to set up what the story is, what's going to happen, and they need to,
[SPEAKER_02]: And they need to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need to be like at 11.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you'd be like, I wouldn't know what's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't know what's happened next.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the two most important thing that is you can do a person that you can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think like I hate this place like I nailed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I hate this place is the best number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably ever write because there was so much stuff to put in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you still with the character stuff because if you don't care about these characters, the idea, the concept of the story has to be so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll never do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never have just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: just like a really brilliant idea that people are like, wow, I can't high concept idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's not what I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do what if what if it man didn't like his dad and had to live with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, well, yeah, I mean, there's so much high concepts stuff in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in reading that reading this first issue, I feel like.
[SPEAKER_01]: to backing Alex's question like I feel like you zero in you sort of toggle back it's like fun fun action heavy emotional like it's an emotional verbal fight between him and his dad that has just his high stakes and I feel like moving through the issue you get that and then you're like oh we got to have one more fun thing here at the end and that sort of like a sniper zeroing in on the target I feel like works it's so nice it feels the flow at that
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's extremely, I think that's extremely kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, and I will say, I think we've done it with every issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like every issue has that balance of all the, because I like everything, and we're always trying to make the thing that we do this in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the easiest way to make them go, oh, I really like this issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I can say is sincerely, like, one Steve's amazing, Steve's art's unbelievable, and just looking at that, I go, like, I missed this before he does this funny little thing that I didn't notice, because it's so small.
[SPEAKER_02]: like you make the thing you want and that's like I put I put a year into this like I put I didn't really do anything else and again I kind of screwed myself financially but which is neither here nor there which is neither here nor there because it's all going to work down great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well it's going to be such a huge it's going to be such a big success it's going to be the new absolute Batman don't call it absolute into life um that would be like well I'll be like honey don't worry about it we can pay the taxes this year um
[SPEAKER_02]: are not probably not, but we're hoping to do anything that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're making good books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're making good books.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like every issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like every issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just hit because I'm so far ahead and I'm going to have to do this issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: because Steve needs work, because Steve's not stopping, Steve's just going, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I got to reread them to see like, because like, I'll forget little things I put in there that are important for later, that I wanted to use for later.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, oh yeah, I got to remember that, this character said this thing, because part of it was, especially for this is that, this is a theoretical ongoing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we could be doing this for the next 20 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if it does, well, we could be doing this for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so just like, I hate this place, but it's supposed to be an ongoing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the seek for these number ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: a whole universe of things that can keep telling more stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could do what I like to call the new universe Maxi series run of 32.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think pretty easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm also ready to wrap it up at 12.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like sales will decide that of course because I have a type of an ending.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you, you know, right in, but I'm just curious that I don't know if you could talk about this, but like are you only contracted for a certain amount like obviously the DC wants to make an investment in this, but for example, we're in a world where everybody is jogging to an order brothers, which I was DC, so who knows what could happen, like so TBD on that, but like at this point are you definite 12 issues is it's more than that, where does that fall?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know for me it's 12 issues and that number changed a couple times and regards to how many.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like how many they had to I think DC had to decide like what could they afford?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again like I know Ezra came the pair of the brutal darkness six issues but it's six issues with the hope of doing six more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think bleeding hearts is ongoing is theoretical ongoing like that or is this so I assume that they have 12 issues also I think there's an eightish aid issue with that
[SPEAKER_02]: one point being thrown around.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't speak for them in specifics, but I mean, on paper, this is an ongoing.
[SPEAKER_02]: On paper, it's an ongoing, but I'm guaranteed 12.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, I'm allowed to say that, but I said it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guaranteed 12, I should ask if I can say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for sure, 12, like I have 12 issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: 12 issue art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, too late.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know it's a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's no way of editing podcasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a live news.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you need to take it out, I will take it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I, I, I don't think I have an NDA on my contract or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can say what a brand one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give us the worst secret they have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for DC.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for DC.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're worst secret.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like DC you'd have to ask me about a different publisher and you know what I can't think of any other publishers right now I was okay everything I've done with the DC I've been extraordinarily pleased with because
[SPEAKER_02]: One, I like, I like it when someone's clearly thinking about things and going, we should make, we should try something because things could be better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like my, my name, my number is on Russell Highest, which comes on two weeks that we deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, or like half of what they were in 2017, when I did Rock Candy Mountain, I had no eyes on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had one eyes on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one knew I was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't written Morty for five year.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like those numbers are,
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're half significantly different, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to be like, well, we got to do something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got to do, yeah, we should do something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad that, and I think notably DC of the one he's like, let's try stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if the retailer say they need on goings, you get,
[SPEAKER_02]: a good team as you can to do ongoing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the sites for your ankle book is like eight issues or six of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited about that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be really good night or here and we're there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one I'm like that I haven't read like I'm really I really want to read because of it was so good to pitch at the panel.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, you brought up this advice, so I want to ask you about that real quick, just to give context for folks this is coming out for image on December 17th.
[SPEAKER_04]: The thing that I want to ask you about is you are doing art on that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So versus end of life where you have Steve Pue, as you mentioned, like sneaking little things in there and adding things to the comedy,
[SPEAKER_04]: How does that change things for you in terms of how you approach the script?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like when you're doing the art yourself and you're doing the whole thing, versus the collaboration with Steve?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a million.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a million different ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I'm extremely hesitant to give another artist more than six panels of the page, because they're working very hard and it's harder because they're better than me at drawing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's much more work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will give how starts the artist in this panel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever that page needs, whatever the screen needs will just do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is great for I'm very character driven.
[SPEAKER_02]: It allows more character stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that people like you're not a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, oh, we like it when you do it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, that's because there's more character stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just more happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like I learned how to
[SPEAKER_02]: tell stories with other artists and take advantage of their strengths.
[SPEAKER_02]: The diamond art, I say, actually do air quotes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an artist, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I'm very good at sequential storytelling.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think my art totally fits with what I generally do with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Steve's unbelievable, but dude, he's, they're working.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one that's, it's less story or, that's not even true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just told differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, it's like, I was looking at something, because I'm doing, I'm on issue four, and it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: This page is always given color notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's on panel nine and that seems like weird That seems like maybe too many panels.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like if I make it my colorist too too many panel I don't even concern about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I should they're fine So just different I also I also and I don't recommend this to anyone hated don't was I don't use a script for me
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not improv.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a very good idea what it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know all my beats, and I just kind of get after it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, that's not recommended either.
[SPEAKER_02]: But because of that, the way that I do it is it's, I can't remember my friend Andy Hirsch once called it like, like planned improvisation or something like that, because I do only space where I can go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is a good place for a joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or this is a good place for a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I can go while I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This should be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can change.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can go change page five.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that gives me like a certain rhythm and the characters have a certain strength of dialogue and characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've taken to now doing like hard thumbnails for when I'm writing other scripts so that I can go this still has my beats and so I'm my rhythm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they draw the panels better and they'll do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always do I love a six panel grid like so much and they'll like they're doing like.
[SPEAKER_02]: the panel angle, I don't do any, I don't do any of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I just want my story like straight like an IV into me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't give me, I don't, I don't, I don't want panel, I need panels and I want at least six.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and one other thing that I feel like you're giving yourself an extra level of difficulty with on a wrestle haste is you have copious backbatter there, which is very fun, but what
[SPEAKER_02]: more, more, more free work by your boy Kyle Sarks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I, I think I very suddenly implied it earlier, but like, I kind of hate puppies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the worst way to consume a story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so because of that, I think like, if you're going to make that effort, there should be some sort of added value.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know for, end of life we're also doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm wondering exactly what the back better is going to be for.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for a rental house, I'm doing two things, notably one, I've learned my design level cap.
[SPEAKER_02]: My design skill cap is 70's vintage wrestling magazine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the back matter looks like it looks like a vintage wrestling magazine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing all these fake ads.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've done surveys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked a bunch of peers who like wrestling, which is Condon and Azarella, but a wrestling boys.
[SPEAKER_02]: amongst I think there's 20 something guys who are either comic creators who I know like wrestling who replied to me are there are people of note who are adjacent so like there's a WWE referee and there's some skybound editors who I know like wrestling and some storerunner who I know like wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's cool because each week each month I'll ask them a different question and so you get to see like what's Brian out of the row is for favorite tag team.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were wondering
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, I think it's good that I have all these ad and I'm actually doing this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like the ads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, escalate each issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm doing kind of little stories with these stupid ads in the background where it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is like, I, when we did six side kicks, I'm jumping all over a place.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right to try to, try to, is a, is love that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, it's got to be really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like we went.
[SPEAKER_02]: big and I think it's only the issues too bad no one will ever see it and then they put it in the trade and I'm like I kind of like that though because we work so hard on it but the nature of this because it's I don't want to put five pages of ad between each chapter break I kind of don't want anything between the chapter I kind of want just to be skybound style like straight story so a lot of stuff just isn't going to make it like it's just not going to be in the book because I can't put it in the back and go this is just you one backmattered I mean I guess like good
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, I'll have some of that back matter in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of it just won't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, anything that's like a story, like a clipping, there's a couple of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of get away from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I started doing like top 10 lists and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like that can make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm doing this, like, I think really funny stuff with these ads.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the ads is like, do you want to learn how to fight?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a guy in an alley behind an adult bookstore?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they get issue two.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, why didn't you cowards show up?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he gets madder and like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm doing these little guys they ordered too many wrestling rings they trying to sell these wrestling rings because they overordered and all these little stories And it's like I'm escalating them in a way that I think is really fun to make it worth getting each issue of course
[SPEAKER_02]: how many people like what does it matter?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for me, if you're going to buy that floppy, there should be added value, and so I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: For end of life, that canceled cartoonist that I mentioned, I drew all this, I've drawn to the strip, it's called Wrong Dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I've done like 24 of these wrong dogs, since I've done a bunch of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh, we're going to use them.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, we'll put them on the back of a comedy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, I think we
[SPEAKER_02]: the back cover just be all wrongdog strips are something you know i mean like they're not hard to do like the they are kind of hard to do it
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know they're going to do our last I heard is like so the front page is going to be like the town newspaper with our credits and other little things and they're like so we'll just do this and they're like, no, no, we're going to change it every issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's like there's like the local diner, I think let's have their let's have their weekly special and they're like, and they're like how many weekly special are there and I'm like, no, no, it's their weekly special I'm going to change it like there's only four things in this town.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they know we're going to change every weekend, it's like they're going to put supposedly two wrong dogs each month also in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's stuff, like, are they going to collect those wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to do like a Garfield book of rock?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like, it's just going to exist in this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I'm am I going to do it a hundred percent, because I've been working to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to, I'm going to get some coffee mugs made, but that's not either here or there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the new Jim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're doing it there too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's talk about maybe trying to figure out some other stuff, which might
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve sketches for characters which are he doesn't even do so I don't know if that would be just they just show up on the page perfect but I know that they also want to do some sort of add-up back matter for end of life it again it creases the value of it it there's something extra that you can only get in those bodies which I think is the way to do those things I think that's the way to do them well in that extra care I feel like you know you're not going to maybe not everyone reads them but the people that do are like it adds so much you know pulls you so much deeper into everything I feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just added value and I think we need to figure out ways that are even outside of, you know, the back matter of comics of how to, I think for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I say these things and it's like, well, I actually do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I need to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to do an issue are like a mini comic that involves one of the characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: After issue five, it'd be nice to know a little bit more about.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we'll put them on my Patreon and then we'll put it in the graph.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to put it in the trade because.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, even with that trade, I would like for the people of what the five issues are also by the trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a mean trick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what if I was like, oh, there's an eight issue comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's like trying to figure out what this added value are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think having a little bit of my Patreon for sure is added value to me because social media is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: How can I get people engaged with me?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Patreon.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, specifically, it's Patreon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so we're just trying to figure out how to like, what's added value, what's added value, what is outside of just people going into comic shops, but I think that's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even Barnes and Noble is like, like, it's tough to buy comics there, like you just, and that's the place where people go by, you know, square things full of paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is trying to figure out how to be more than just.
[SPEAKER_02]: direct market boy, which is again, it's only on OK. We'll see it in the like, though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, guys, I do want to ask you about a couple of other projects real quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got to have my shoulder is coming out from Dark Horse for anybody who hasn't read it the first issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: You find this woman who has been tortured for an extended period of time by a bunch of guys inexplicably.
[SPEAKER_04]: She is going to come back and get her revenge, but you have a big note right at the top of the issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: Being like, hey, this is, I'm paraphrasing here, but like, hey, this is really bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't worry, it's going to be worse for the other guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: What, what led to that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I think you, so whenever,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't try to do the same thing twice, which isn't intentional.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that I did it, and I'm ready for the next thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And outside of sort of in-depth life, which I think is sort of actual comedy, which is what my whole career has been in many ways, I really like, I really like horror.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did a horror, my first horror was Old Head, which isn't even scary, even a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I did, I hate this place, which I thought was very scary, and it got nominated for best cheaper publication.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't as scary as I thought it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I want to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to, and then I think, you know what, I want to do just a fun one, which is where monster fly, which is.
[SPEAKER_02]: on a door, I do where I hate this place and where my sister's lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a guy who wanted to do a scary, I want one to be scary, so I did those not afraid, which is about to be circular into a competition to break the state record for murders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it sounds funny, and you know this is no, I'm like this one's very serious, it's very straight, it's very dark, it's very scary, if you like it's pretty chucked, it's pretty funny, and I'm like, what, I'm doing something wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, well, I just can't help it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just can't help it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I like, it's just how I think characters, the characters I like are always charming or funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I want you to care about these characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're charming or funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if they are serial killers, also, it's like, whoops.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for this one, I'm like, I have, I saw something that was a bloody revenge, and I, it escapes me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's usually what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I watch something I go, oh, I'd like to do, I'd like to do a bloody revenge, or I'd like to do an ensemble hitman.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's also been like me trying to make correct mistakes because it's like, oh, I didn't quite do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like when I did assassination, I was like, I'm doing a mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not a very good mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty bad mystery, honestly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then I did six times a piece of trigger key.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, well, that's a pretty good mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not a great mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I did pine and merme.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can pine and merme, because I was like, I think I got mystery out of me for what I would have loved of done, you know, five of those bugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was like, I get the mystery out of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is, I wouldn't, if you love or even if you love, it were raised on sort of
[SPEAKER_02]: I would do something scary and I want to do a revenge and I think that they require one awful things have to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there are a few people who are like, they're like, well, it's like fetishizing.
[SPEAKER_02]: torture.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, it's a horror, but I didn't, I didn't enjoy any of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope you didn't enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is ghastly and it's awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's happens person.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the point of that trigger is going, this first issue sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this first issue for this girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a really good issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Peter Krabalski did a killer job on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, it's going to be like, we're engaged in the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not selling you one issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe other people are going to do one issue in a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to tell you a story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the story is, it's
[SPEAKER_02]: Something terrible is going to happen this person, but I promise, and like wait to see the opening of issue two, I promise it's very cathartic like and oh you know what it was I can tell you what it was is that I believe Schweizer and I we've been talking about like once upon a time and Hollywood, which is very sort of revision history.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how it's like, we don't have glorious bathrooms, probably, because I made a poster.
[SPEAKER_02]: I made a poster that no one bought.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that I had just learned about this girl, Junko Farata, and don't look it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like one of the worst things that's ever happened to a human period, and it's just other humans being awful, awful, and it's terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there are some of, like, well, I feel like she should have got her revenge for some, unfortunately, that's where, like, that type of person, that real thing that you have to revenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then it's sort of expands as all of things do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it goes past just like an awful thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's going to be a little supernatural.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got a little bit of a crow thing going on, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we exist in a certain world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think it's, I'm really proud of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that persists you sucks, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, I hate, it's like, if you don't do anything bad to this girl, then what do you care?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you just, like, you just, like, we just have to trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: you got to set the track for everything and I think it really does and we we have to read the second issue and like you're saying that is oh it's really horrifying but obviously we're not going to say it's very good it's very well yes and let me tell you which like shout out to my editor Daniel Thibonet a dark horse when we did that first issue
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like we pulled it like we pulled it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're certain things I had in there and it's like I'm glad they're not in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's sort of things that always happen in bloody revenge is like you can jump to your own collegiate is probably correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they would never did it on like it was implied things were implied and they're like and I'm like you know what you're right what if we made a believe revenge that didn't have essay and it basically right or didn't have really some pretty bad like worst stuff happening because they think it's kind of bad enough as it ended up being on my bed is correct but I got a lot of like not a lot of notes but a lot of like we should be careful here she's in issue one like she is found
[SPEAKER_02]: in present time after we flash back like she's Nate has naked in the water and it's like, let's be very careful with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is this whole thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to be very careful, very careful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then at the very first repages, something so outrageously despicable, she does to one of these boys, and like it's Peter is so good at doing because he's Polish.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so cute too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Graphic awful things, which is why I wouldn't do this book with them is like we didn't wear my supply And I'm like dude, he could do some really messed up things and they said nothing Like anything bad that happens to any of the men They said nothing and I'm like, but you know what that's correct like they all deserve it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be worse And that's what I wanted like when I watch a bloody revenge you get to the part where you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she whatever she does They have coming
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever she does no matter how bad it is they have a coming and we like that like we like seeing I think it's not about a girl being tortured.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about a girl getting revenge You have to have that so it's milk.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's mixed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny Peter said he's never had a perfect score But we had a perfect score from a couple places on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like I've never had it One I was like we're much more lied and get it what the heck that's but it's great
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's also a lot of people being like it's kind of disgusting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, it's a port.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I put that notice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's why I did it like that's a long way to get to it because you I want people to go like, hey, this isn't funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't where monsters lie like this is not a good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is awful, but it's worth it's worth seeing what happens next.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you go, I will kind of see issue too, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I didn't like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may be uncomfortable, which should.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think issue two you and you go oh wait like that's kind of great like that's awesome yeah you're with your wither so hard on the like even if you're not a like violence chasing person but I love the villains even in that second issue are like whoa that was too fucked up
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I thought was really funny response from them, but one thing I'm going to talk about with the book is the thing that really stuck out to me besides the very satisfying revenge journey is the time dilation You're using in there, which feels like well, and you sort of great aid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say too much, but you great aid it in a way that enhances the revenge part really well and like when did how did that come together in the book?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you make the thing that you wish he's I love flashbacks and I think for this one and it only goes back like so far like to these flashback is what you see at the beginning like you we don't go back on her anymore because we're just a normal Right trying to make it through her days girl just like a normal human but you go back with father Guerrero because he has a I think a very interesting backstory but I love
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love everything matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love a whole lifetime mattering.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I do a lot of flashbacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Resilize has a lot of flashbacks that there are high flashbacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like,
[SPEAKER_02]: an issue for and especially five when you start seeing like oh there's machinations that have been in play like there's black facts which is great because I don't have to draw the panels again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just use the same ones in color differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love I love I love that kind of storytelling and if you look at all my I do a lot like I just love black facts and I do think devil my shoulder is my best use of flashback of how to wrap
[SPEAKER_02]: figuring out the timing, and I'm learning this now and wrestleize, honestly, where you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, this is happening because of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will be important later when do you say that?
[SPEAKER_02]: When do you say what the what the important thing was that isn't so early in ruins is surprised you do it after the twist and then they would like to think that I didn't set it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like I set it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing incidental in any of my stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, I feel like I'm crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that when my shoulders is the best job of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I've just wrapped four has been done for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, I just looked at a couple of months ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's with Peter almost every time where I go, man, it's exactly what I wanted to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I feel the same way about end of life, I feel the same way about kind and merimack.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been very lucky, but Peter and Steve, like every show go, yep, that's exactly what it's supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the best feeling, because I wrote it six months ago and who knows if I was any good six months ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew what I wanted it to be then, but
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, time passes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think all four, it's like that for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the starkness to serving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but I think if you were a fan of revenge and I love, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, I love crime revenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love all types of revenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love a bloody horror and I don't think they've done a bloody horror in a while, a bloody revenge in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's exactly what I want to do, and that's the best feeling, and hopefully people talk about it, you know, and they hopefully it sells some issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really had me wishing there were more people as she needs revenge on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, unfortunately, it's a pretty limousine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you go through them sort of fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all going somewhere, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: You mentioned where monsters lie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are we going to be seeing a volume three of that at some point?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so I did a Kickstarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did a Kickstarter volume three and that's a that's a whole different story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you remember when earlier I said talking about the industry is my favorite and leafy everything to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we did a kickstarter, we did a 48-page kickstarter for volume three, long story short, volume one sold out, Brahm Stroker were nominated, it did great, volume two, no one even knew it came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were no sales and because of that dark horse, which rightly,
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it probably should have done better.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are probably things that could have been done.
[SPEAKER_02]: But rightly, they couldn't justify doing a third issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: After one did so well, and I was doing a second, I was like, I want to do three arts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had my idea, I wanted to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, if it's a huge success, which is what I always think, and it never is, but that's not their end or their.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a huge success, I'll do a fourth one, and then I'll fourth one, I'll put them at space, because that's what all four franchises do, and they go too far.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, I don't, I think I hope I don't do four, because that's not a very good story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had this sort of third story and Peter, who I love working with, was like, we're going to do a third, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, well, we didn't make any money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, well, I think we could do, like, what, like, here's what our, luckily they're Polish again.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't make, like, the dollar translates very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your rate?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we could do this many pages where we all get paid
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we can make 48 page comic, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I can put it, I think I can do, and I mean, what's 80 to 48?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I can do it, and so he's on, I think he's got 20 pages done now with a little bit behind between those.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing the best he can.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to sit down February, but both his cover and my cover are available in my store to pre-order, which means you pay for them now, and I will send them to you when I get them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our available on storecastworks.com, they're like $15 and $20.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's my understanding that there's probably an intent to collect it at some point in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's free for dark horse to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to pay me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I already made it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's hopefully down the line because we want to get these out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's one of the things like So many that so many people it's funny like I did heurus Khan, which is my favorite show And I hear us con these people who I see every year who are fans of mine who follow me on social media They're against social media is what this like oh, there's a volume two and I'm like, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: There is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know about it, but also not weird at all, but the number people I like specifically say like David Harper who we adore at Sketch was like, I like volume two better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, there's more character stuff in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does more, it does more Kyle starts things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you would like it better, but it's also, it's such a good premise, which is there's basically getting communities for slatter monsters to go to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they have like
[SPEAKER_02]: a structure to support them, but they still have to move their lawn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's like, it's the second one's the same thing again.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's their, it's a horror franchise to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love like, oh, well, now they, now they're at the Hillbilly, the Hillbilly game community.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all the Hillbilly's leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then volume three, which is a 40, he kind of volume three, because it's just one shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: The annual, we'll call it the annual.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how we used to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they go to Japan, because I wanted to do Asian monster so bad, and they go to hell, because of the fourth they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really pleased with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait for it come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: that, you know, I feel like I'd be sad that all the were monster life fans probably won't see it, but that well, they didn't see volume to either.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know, throw all the people have been there with me all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very rewarding and very fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Comic man, they're hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I do what I ask you about one last thing, kill them all.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was a movie that is in pre-production or wasn't pre-production.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, nothing's ever going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't mean with kill them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe, like, for kill them all specifically, it was something that the option for a really good amount.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, David.
[SPEAKER_02]: That also, I've been extra.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been and I'm not bragging I've been extremely fortunate with Hollywood support I have a very good agent and it's never a lot of money, but it's enough that I don't worry about Bill's for a couple months, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And because of a lot of things for the last year and a half two years There's been no there's been no movement there So it's like usually I would get and I know I'm bragging like a $5,000 check like one and I think heck yeah What if a comment gave me $5,000?
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be crazy
[SPEAKER_02]: And that didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like one more thing that kind of was a pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but the thing with so they optioned it for a very good amount could job agent, they may be renewed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once I don't think that happened, I think when it came that they were going to renew they bought it and when they buy something outright it means instead of having for 18 months they haven't for like five to seven years and they pay a lot of money that money is all gone because it was pandemic it's six years ago at this point, why it's got a new car that's great for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the thing is like because they put actual money into it actually almost close to Hollywood money they are more.
[SPEAKER_02]: involved enough that so like there's same hargraves was connected he's a second director connect the same hargraves did um extraction which is really good on that like it's a really great act of movie so he was attached there's a the lady before the old lady worked on the old guard she's so she's gone okay well there's been at least three or four scripts would have been a guy probably fifty k every time he writes a script um they're they're getting better you know
[SPEAKER_02]: The director come in and change all that stuff anyways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like will it happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know probably not if they do that's a very good day for me The day they turn the lights on will be the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have probably like my mom will die that day, too But something bad will happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be a really good day financially.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Aiden So yeah, all this stuff is around the carousel.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice nice to be in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think here's the thing in
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I think about like seven years ago, because my person was successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was option before it came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So any guy's nominated for eyes or so, and all this fun, like it did pretty well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still does well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good, I think that helps.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good, it's pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've optioned almost everything that I've owned, at least once the only thing that I have an option once that I own that we just say image, specifically, is all of that, which listen, we get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a weird one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good, but it's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the top sell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked to a bunch of people who were interested in it, but it just didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been very fortunate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of those, I get like one renewal, which is a less amount than.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think having me and I don't know, probably not I don't hold my breath at every time I get an option and they announce it in my head until the thousand but and I don't think that's true anymore, but I think we'll go, oh, they might make a movie and let's check it out and the seven years ago, what is all the thousand.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm going to make a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll check it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: We might not be coming out, or maybe we'll be coming out, but we do know that end of life number one is definitely 100% coming out February 18th, 2026.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody should definitely check it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm Kyle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for taking you so much time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much time to talk to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: We appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like talking.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the book's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't wait to read your book with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And see you there.
[SPEAKER_02]: All three books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Kyle.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you guys and proud of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me gather.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get from way back.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sit on crappy couches and they let us see what we can And these are nothing they'll let us let your destiny To grab your ring, hammer, don't be late, or it'll fail