[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Andre, thanks for joining me today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little bit of a podcast slash video, TFL CarChat, and we are here talking about some really interesting things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cars that are left on parking lots, and it's dealer lots, are we where we might be able to get a bargain?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'm really curious about this list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got a list at Hagridi, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Classic cars that they think are going to appreciate they always do this every year They just publish their new list and by the way your whole market list Bullmarking here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about that and of course you are here Yeah, where's Tommy in the way?
[SPEAKER_02]: He just watched the Seth Meyer show being recorded and worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: What yeah?
[SPEAKER_02]: He just texted me a call
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's why are we not there because he's on vacation in New York City for the holidays okay good uh and he went to the recording of the Seth Meyer show and he said it was a lot of fun you know what uh my wife was recently like last year she was there for holidays and the city just has a lot of energy you know there's a Rockefeller center there's the Christmas tree there's Lego store I mean there's everything that's your sister
[SPEAKER_00]: there's my sister lives there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a fun place to live in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Women is lovely, wife are enjoying a week in New York, so I appreciate you being here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before we get to all that, let's talk about some news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we must talk news.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't want to rehash news that happened a week ago, but a week ago, so that introduced a new sports car is born.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, actually two or three new sports cars actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the one I want to talk about is the
[SPEAKER_02]: G-R-G-T, which is the one that's up on the screen, it's this long-hoded, very much, very impressive car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you, I don't want to go into all the details because, like I said, that story today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it can ask you one thing first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like the name GRGT and it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it could be worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I struggle with it because I don't know which one to put first It's is it GGR or is it GRG?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I struggle with that But I mean also introduced an electric version and this is where I want to talk about called the Lexus What's the Lexus?
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Fay the new LFA
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it's electric dude, producer Cole and I, and I think you were discussing this a couple of days back We can't believe it's electric.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you believe it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I I think it's smart I think a lot of people aren't happy about it being electric because right now We're living in a time where electric cars are no longer the car is your yes, but Roman what was their original LFA known for 10 cylinder
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the sound that this engine used to make.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: This car, I don't know what kind of sound it's going to be making.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they said they might take some of Hyundai's, you know, I think...
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're in work and have a shift and maybe have a real engine note...
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I need to buy the Fredsonic system from Dodge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should buy the Fredsonic system.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should last.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Hyundai does really good sound, but they do like the silly like forceland arrangements from their heritage because they don't have a real VA. You know, race car engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was, um, I got lucky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in South Korea this year earlier this year and I was talking to some Hyundai engineers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they actually told me because they were showing me one of their electric race cars, one of them, when that bike speak, right, hill climb.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said that there's a way to use the bodywork.
[SPEAKER_00]: to amplify some of the sounds that electric motors make, that actually makes it real, not fake noises, you know, that you generate using speakers, but they're talking about actually amplifying some noises using the body work of the car, which is really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean it was sound like maybe like one of those star wars skimmers, you know, something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a spaceship or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm guessing I don't necessarily want to, you know, rehash the stuff that's already out there about the, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: G-R-G-T but I do want to talk about a couple bits of news and my opinion on one thing So the bit of news that was kind of interesting, but I'm not sure why they're doing this So we need to hash this out is they announced they're not going to sell it in a two-to-to-do-do Where's it going to sold?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be sold through Lexus dealers the G-R-G-T yeah sports car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can I call it super car?
[SPEAKER_02]: sure is that i mean it's it's pretty super i mean we don't know a lot about it in terms of pricing we're expecting it to be right around they're saying they're benchmarking competitors so if they benchmarked a core vet figure 200 thousand i'm talking about the zr1 yeah and if they benchmarked the gt three then you're like more like 300 thousand but i think it'll be more in the 200 thousand dollar range that kind of feels like it's kind of sound super it's a supercar
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but imagine, here's a, I think of proper analogy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if GM had decided, we're not going to sell the Corvette as a Chevy, but we're going to sell it as a Cadillac, in Cadillac as a Chevy Corvette.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you do that, Toyota?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you sell a Toyota through Lexus dealers?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I understand why the thinking is, because like the dealers are more exclusive, they probably have like a higher level of customer,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to say, but can I get a Kabachino to Lexus dealer?
[SPEAKER_00]: But well, your wife used to own Lexus, Rx.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you were telling me she really enjoyed you and enjoyed going to Lexus dealership.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have like, you know, they had like, like you said, I think some have spas and they have, you know, like computer stations and it's a very, but it's still Toyota.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Lexus has the LFA.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I think it's a, it's a recipe to piss off a lot of turd dealers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's a recipe for, let's say I bought my GRGT.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I live in a kind of out-of-the-way place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say I live in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there aren't a lot of Lexus dealers out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, but there might be a Toyota dealer nearby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So where do I go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I go to a Toyota dealer that's nearby?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or do I have to go to Lexus dealer somewhere else?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's also, when you think about it, it's also odd because when I was in Japan, they announced that they're going to sell the new century, right, the high and bespoke, more, where are you going to sell that, Lexus?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, Lexus deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lexus is getting the LFA electric.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like the fact that there are two is going to be people choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to electric, get the LFA, if you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a twin tour, I think, is it a twin tour of the eight?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with a hybrid, with a little electric motor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a six hundred plus horsepower.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, which isn't that much, but I think it's a good number.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you can go into a combustion.
[SPEAKER_02]: But why is it not going through Toyota?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we having to go to, I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of two dealers are going to find, they're going to get their nose out of joint because of that because, let's face it, a lot of two dealers are very wealthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they want ones and I some might own also Lexus dealerships, but they're a lot a lot of those dealers could be not just sellers of that car, but customers and now that they're being sold through Lexus and also there's a GR Lineage, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's Jar Corolla.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's next to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a GR Supra that's maist.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's being discontinued.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's other GR.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, line up of cars that are also should be next to it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you separate this other car, put it somewhere else?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I say, like like selling a Chevy Corvette at a Cadillac dealership.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you were granted the C8 as a Cadillac, they'll be a different story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but they didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They made the RFA, which makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing I noticed is, and this is kind of, let's call it industry insider review.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and it does cut a little closer to the bone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you that because when we started TFL We didn't get a lot of respect because we were doing video like 2009 we were one of the early youtubers out there doing video and I would go on with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go on these programs and you know the manufacturer is ranked publications based on how important they think they are or maybe they're reach.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we would always be like B or C and yet it was clear even back then that video is going to be the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: that you're going to sell cars and you're going to get the word out about cars and we would always be kind of the second in line after the print people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, third in line.
[SPEAKER_02]: So first of both books, they got the first two months, three months advanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your textbook?
[SPEAKER_02]: Motor train and current driver road and drag automobile.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the kind of the big four are the biggest ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were they went on these long leads, so they would always be invited And then the regular like print people went next so like if you were a reporter for journal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bloomberg.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Bloomberg or automotive news or like like even like your wife free press.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or like the Auto editor for the Denver Post whatever
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, all the people who had digital media like blogs, and then somewhere in the back where you were going to see some video guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Video guys who are painting the ass because we took a lot more time, and we had it shoot a lot more videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: And over time, I think it...
[SPEAKER_02]: and you can see that because the magazines have some of them gone quarterly, you know, they've shrunk in size or staffs, they've shrunk in size, and they've also consolidated.
[SPEAKER_02]: So once upon a time, all those magazines were owned by different companies, now they're owned by one or two different ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's one, they're all, and most of them are owned by God, what is it, same company, I can't think of it now, it's escaping me too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hearst, Hearst, Hearst, and they also only bring a trailer, which I probably make some more money than all the magazines combined.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm sure it makes more money, I get these combined.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, well, they have websites too.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was the best thing in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like when they rolled out the GR, they rolled it out in Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was at Fuji Raceway, which took it on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And were there any video people there?
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's there was all the magazines and they and back then and this is still true today I love these guys are great journalists, but as you know, I got to do both when I was in my early career I was both a print journalist or a newspaper and I was a
[SPEAKER_02]: There's very few people who do both because the two aren't compatible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, some people like Clarkson from Top Gear, they're really good at writing and presenting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that is a very different arts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very different skills, because print you tell and video you show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the natural inclination of any print reporter is a tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with video, it's not about me telling, it's about me showing, and it's a whole different way of thinking about the way you present the information.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know what happened to me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard about this car coming out, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It flickered on my Instagram reel, and my other reel, and I immediately went to YouTube, and I typed in Toyota GRGT.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like one short popped up one short and I was like wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we weren't there And I was like, where is everybody else?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's Sophia and where's I don't know names any any youtuber where they're pushing pistons, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they really popular and you know we were
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to, I'm going to bang our drum a little bit, we got 1.3 million on Tiktok.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got like almost a million on Facebook because we do a lot of shorts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and long-form video is also very different from doing short-form video, but these print reporters who were there are just not good at doing video.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you ended up with...
[SPEAKER_02]: A bunch of people who did really bad long-form or even short-form videos, and I wasn't even seeing any They weren't the first day.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally top gear drop-up video top gear is really good Yeah, and they dropped their video and I was very thankful because they actually showed you know the naked chassie Remember they showed the engine they showed the you know you could see the trans axle you could see all of that stuff But I felt like I was back in 2000 in 10
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was like, holy cow, and with sure it's even more important, like it was sure it's you literally, it used to be like, it had four words to capture someone with attention, now you have like one word.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you start your short, hey guys, I'm here in Japan, or Toyota just unveiled the GRGT.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody is clicked outside by the end of the word, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hi guys, everybody's gone and yeah, this is exactly what we got from the you know the the friend guys there and girls and I'm I'm like I'm like scratching my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, why guys come on I bring the people who are good at this art form
[SPEAKER_02]: and this news form that is now the dominant and most interesting and most relevant form.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you can bring out, and these are an old dinosaur, you know, there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you bring out the print folk and, you know, they're, they're going to write their story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if, you know, if they're fast, they'll write it overnight or they'll, you know, publish three months from now in the magazine because that's how far magazines are ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why in the end of that happened like but we've done 2,000 10 But we're done is here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were also live on patreon dot com slash tfl car nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for joining me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's disappointing He wanted to see Tommy here not me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know really I apologize
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you will see Tommy next week watch him tonight on Seth Meyers He's in the audience If you'll see him he's in the audience not in the chair.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we don't we can get invited Okay, and his wife are in the audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, Don.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll we'll get to that next week All right, so that that was first topic the second topic I want to talk about is you know We did a video that became very popular at you in TFL Japan more almost more popular than I don't know when
[SPEAKER_02]: President Trump, of course, said that he wanted the cute cars from Japan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cole, can you show it to you, Phil?
[SPEAKER_00]: Japan?
[SPEAKER_00]: Really quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: We recently started.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we started this year, and that's our biggest video.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it went over 200,000, where basically me and Andre did an editorial video where we talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know what what what K trucks okay so it was a practical because and it's incredible how many people like missed the gist of that story and I keep hearing it over and over again so I've just listened to one of my podcast and and on the podcast they said oh President Trump wants to import K cars
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you get that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he said, let's build him here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he, yeah, I think people missed that part.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what he said was, we want to build K cars or small cars in America and everybody's like, hey, I get to import my favorite, you know, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we do too.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to import a chimney, a chimney, but that wasn't the whole point.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just incredible how we go from, you know, a president saying, I want Q cars in America to, I want Q cars to be built in America to people saying, now I can import my beautiful whatever Japanese car you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, we don't know how this is going to play out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: Fiat announced something yeah, that's a little baby topolino Yeah, they're gonna bring the topolino.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see this?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was smart by the way Somebody had somebody adds to an interest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because because it's a topolino Fiat topolino.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have been it's fiat
[SPEAKER_02]: had been toying so let us have been toying with us saying they might bring it so this is not something new Yes, and so when President Trump goes out and says we need to build small cars here all the sudden they're like hell Yeah, we're breaking out Actually, we have a video of it cold Tommy Tommy shot it at the LA Auto Show So this is a car that has a top speed of 28 miles an hour
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like I forget it's all electric it has a range of 50 miles So it's basically it's basically a really cute golf cart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you could drive it in your neighborhood Yeah, it's a neighborhood kind of car and I like it's not a real car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it, but oh God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I could If I could actually I maybe hit it a short on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was just there it is was that the short
[SPEAKER_02]: keep going down down down down down to roll down right on the left is that ours or is that somebody else's
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Fiat is already taking the president's advice and bringing it in, even though I think they have been toying with bringing that car in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was smart, even though it may never come.
[SPEAKER_00]: It may never come.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing to say, you know what, we have a car that we could consider bringing, but a lot of things have to happen in order to actually bring it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I don't know, and I think the editorial, which was, I think, still the most important thing we said, I'm not sure there's a market for K cars or Q cars in America, you know, that the problem is in America, people associate cheap with small, they associate all these negative connotations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember, do you remember when the smart car was here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's no longer here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you remember, yeah, it's a bigger problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: You remember when you saw Smart Card Drive down the road and you looked at the owner?
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think about that person, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like that guy or gal is really smart because they're driving a smart car, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of the exact opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like there's kind of a loser who can't afford it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that I wasn't passing judgment like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think personally war passing judgment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying the war, the war is saying that was the vibe that you got when you were driving with these.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was bummer from a bummer from me when I was, actually, what I considered buying a smart car.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I saw that one, I know, I know, it was kind of cute, but personally speaking when I looked at the Not the electric one, but the standard smart car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually wasn't any more efficient than like a Honda Civic Yes, so so I was like why I mean if it was twice more efficient because you could back into it in a parking space and parking
[SPEAKER_00]: If I lived in Monthaten, maybe I could buy one.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I didn't have people didn't buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, okay, let me put it this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, your man hadn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and there's two people driving down the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, now we're going back to smart car times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, not today, but when the smart car was around, she was like 10 years ago, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two people driving down the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them is let's call it a guy and it is let's say mid-50s which is kind of where the demographic was driving a smart car and there's another guy in his mid-50s cruising down in a town car with a chauffeur.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, what, what, you know, which one of those two do you think successful?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which one is the winner?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would think a person who's being shaffered in a nice black automobile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably is the winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think I think this is always the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the two Polinos have been around a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically one of those cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you get the convertible or it has a rope for door.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's one of those cars that you would have on a beach on the beach or have on your yacht when you're in Monaco and you'll stick it off your yacht and zip around town with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it may work like I've seen a lot of mini-mokes running around where the rental cars, I think the two-pli-know may have that kind of vibe to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what a mini-moke is right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like discovering a little city, you know, by the beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look up at mini-mokes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they become electric cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're basically like little.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were built by golf carts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, there we go Yeah, that's a mini-move.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were built in Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they look weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were engineered by Land Rover for the Army if I'm in bright
[SPEAKER_02]: And the army said, no, these are just like, like, like, jeeps, and then they sold them in Australia as little beach cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, I think there's a Chinese company that's building electric versions of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you go to places like Solving in California, you'll see them running around where people just go there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or like Key West maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Tourism.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the Tupolino would be good for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think anybody would buy it as they're like, you know, go to work car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you buy Tupolino?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's getting into a cold, even, but the cold is considering a Prius, did you know this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, the Prius is good, I mean, well, efficiency, especially if we had a Prius in this, what was the need of the color?
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot the color.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was this mustard yellow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, forget the official name of that color.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for Ashi.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, it's like a Japanese word.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go, you just saw, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we took a drag racing,
[SPEAKER_02]: We drove the beans out of it, we really used like an eighth of a tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we used nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you can get them in all wheel drive?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And four doors too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's an actual car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's good looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sexy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, went back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the problem with the previous, because if we live in Colorado, so we like all wheel drive, the problem with the previous one, is it only,
[SPEAKER_02]: was in all wheel drive up to about 25 miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was meant to be kind of just get unstuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get unstuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my man Sophie on tried that when we launched it in a field in snow and it didn't get unstuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was on like summer tires or all seasons and we had a tractor to pull out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Sophia, I don't mean to throw you into the bus But it was pretty funny how he got a stuck in a field So now all-wheel drive system is that is that electric motor in the back that Toyota does and so it can be all-wheel drive beyond 25 miles now.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like it?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Prius?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved everything about it, except hitting my head on the apeler because it's so swag back when I would get out, sometimes I would hit my head on it, so maybe it's not for the big guys, but it's, I really like the efficiency of it and just how drives.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it actually drives the kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: The part that I did like is a part where the display, the dashboard, is way out in front of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pushed back and the reason for that that I was given was because a lot of older people my tutors, I'm not speaking out of turn, this is true, and Honda's.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the reason I was told and if you know anything other than this, you can let me know is because as you get older, your eyes have a hard time switching focus, so I'm aware.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if the display is way out here where you're looking anyway,
[SPEAKER_02]: When it's easier to see this play, it's the same reason like those digital mirrors are in very big options because you guys push focus for like in front of you to, you know, up close.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why they did it, but I just found it really weird to have that dashboard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's probably like a good one, foot and a half way out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't bug me, it's just hitting my head was difficult.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you're tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody will have the problem I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, only the tall folk are going to have the... Oh, Matt has joined us on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Matt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Matt, how are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm old school, but I like still here the details about the cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy listening to your full podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening, Matt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nearly as much as like watching you all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're happy that you're alive with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the other car that we have here in the studio and I have driven it yet is the outie and you got to drive that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I did not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to drive it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our producer Cole drove it yesterday because we did an eye gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was chasing me around in this outie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an outie at SQ5.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put you out of the spot, Cole.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to be reviewing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, like a three-sutten review of the Audi, you like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked it a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounded good and it was really easy to keep up with.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you put him on camera?
[SPEAKER_00]: But Cole, did you think he said did it feel traditional to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you drive a RA4 V6 was the Audi, well, maybe I'm putting
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a Tesla was on the spectrum of RAF4 to Tesla.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where was this Audi?
[SPEAKER_03]: More RAF4 for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, yeah, I kind of got what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it feels like a car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it has a regular steering wheel, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a squircle?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bounty's doing circles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it is a twin turbo, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes all the right noises that you're used to from before.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a twin turbo V6 and it's got a normal shift the right normalish.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's like the little one that you kind of push it forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I hate all tiny shift there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not tradition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the power train is traditional, but everything else is changing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, heavy springs, but like, but just a bunch of species and the screens passenger the middle and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to review tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to do a, it's just in our tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the reason I bring that up before we get to all these lists is because you, and we can talk about this, took our long term.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Hunter.
[SPEAKER_02]: They lent us a passport transport for a long term review.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we got it for like three months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Alvin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we did a lot with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We took that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We compared it to a bronco if you haven't watched that video.
[SPEAKER_02]: I go to all TFL all the time, all TFL.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: store.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but you, my man, you got the IKIT.
[SPEAKER_02]: You actually IKIT, so tow's 5,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's ready to tow 5,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: You towed a Honda with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I towed a Honda with a Honda.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we had a Honda talent, right, which is not a long-term loan that we've had at the ranch, which is the side by side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Side by side, off-road vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also have an aluminum trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I we thought it was a great combination, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You could put the side by side.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the trailer and the whole setup weighed about 4,000 pounds so it's well pretty much within you know 5,000 pound which we could have pushed further you know closer to 5,000 but we kind of didn't but I was still a bit nervous because the Honda Passport has naturally aspirated non-turbo V6 and we're going to 11,000 feet of elevation and I was worried that it's going to
[SPEAKER_02]: We have found that crossover slash SUVs, unless they're like the big boys that are truck-based.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're struggle, they're struggle, yeah, they're not great at telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, it was worried about downhill portion, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you have to slow down this extra 4,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I was just, I thought just to curdle me, Andre.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anybody else toes with these things but us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of any other publication that they actually told with like a passport.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you saw first and you saw it only on TFL.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let us know if your favorite magazine toes with the passport.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who's toe to the passport?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how did it do?
[SPEAKER_02]: You spilled the beans.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can watch the video.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's ready up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Videos already.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're recording it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's day Friday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it surprised me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So normally on the way down, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We counting break applications because we don't want to have too many, but we don't want to overheat the brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did four.
[SPEAKER_00]: pre-complications which is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, some, some think I'm trying to do like 12 or 12 or 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a tow mode, so a special towing mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the only negative really about this passport is that it doesn't have a break controller, a built-in trailer break controller.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we had to use another solution which we have a remote one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the way up, it's, I want to say I used full throttle maybe a couple different times, but I had basically good power all the way up the mountain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if you'll kind of be.
[SPEAKER_00]: not bad because 6mpg on our climb between it's a 8-mile stretch right from and you gain about 2,000 feet of elevation in this 8-miles and 6.7 yeah if you want to be the baller at the trailhead when you show up with a talent being towed by a pass or trail sport you're going to be the
[SPEAKER_02]: and then you take off the talent and then you unhooked the passport and then together go on the trail yeah you can both go off road yeah that's a baller move I like that vehicle they've done a really good job apparently they can't keep them on the lots you know what but they can do to improve it
[SPEAKER_02]: think about what I just said and think about where I was going to go with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I ruined this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Andre, I have a list of vehicles that they can keep on the dealer lots because they never leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: So before I tell you where I came from and what I did, I did some cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to hear about a drag race.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, I drag race done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would give you a hint before I talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I drag race and my trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's talk about the vehicles that are stuck on and lots.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a list by these cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are vehicles based on IC cars.com that do not sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically they're stuck on the lower lots and they're very difficult for dealers to move.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct, yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So show we do it in TFL fashion where we start at the bottom of the list and go on up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah, we'll have it here on this screen which which list do you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're two model years.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is about 20 25 models and then another one with 20 24.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say this is your 20 25s.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, number 22 on our list is...
[SPEAKER_00]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: This seems wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is 2025 list.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are new cars with most.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go with 2024.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think 2024 would be more insightful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so too, because why would the 400 be on that list?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's brand new.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe I don't know that is weird, but we can get to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll read those office well, but the more interesting ones, these feel these to me feel right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to go 20, 24 because, you know, they've been on the on the on the lot now for the longest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the longest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number 10 is the Jeep Wrangler plugin hybrid, the 4 by E. So I have a guess expensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: With expensive, well, according to IC cars, the average price of a Wrangler plug-in is 60,740, right there, number 10 on the list.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, they've had a couple of recalls recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a do not drive recall or do not park inside recall.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's a tough one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of bummed because a Jeep Wrangler, especially with that plug-in, drives pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could also be, you know, effortless EV, you know, offroading in a quiet manner.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a bummer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next one is also kind of a headscratcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's number nine is the Nissan Z.
[SPEAKER_02]: And remember moving up to the one with the most on the lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Nissan just recently announced that they're going to sell these only as bespoke.
[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, you can have to order them if you want one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to have them on the lots.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I talked to some automotive journalists about this because I loved the Z. I'm a Z guy, I have all in three of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody, the consensus is that Nissan just didn't do enough to make it worth buying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, the currency has the guts of the 370 underneath it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like the switch gear, the power train, it's all the old car.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of gave it a new design, but they didn't actually do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a little puzzled, though, because they gave it a nice engine 400 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's been turbo-v6.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave it, there's a manual option.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is a manual option.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a manual, but a manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: World with no manuals exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's too expensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because at 53 grand for a Z, I could buy a nice Mustang V8.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Mustang isn't selling that great either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my thing's not on the list, but it's also not exactly burning down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's next?
[SPEAKER_02]: Number eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Dodge Charger.
[SPEAKER_02]: I take it that's the old one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the electric one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it the electric one?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if it's electric, 59 grand, the average price.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I could see this because... My speech must be the electric one, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Dodge tried to fit a round peg in a square hole with this car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not driving with the people out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: point of this list of courses if you wanted to these cars you might be able to deal on it a massive deal probably because if these cars are still in the lot uh just waiting for an order yes you can get a deal um genesis gv 60
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, curious one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the smallest of their SUVs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the smallest.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was a 70 or an 80, I think those are pretty popular.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think building a brand is really hard on Dre.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that Genesis has not become part of the cultural vernacular yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people, if you're not a car, a guy, or a car gal, you don't even know what the heck a Genesis is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Genesis is still at that nascent stage
[SPEAKER_00]: But, Roman, we've been doing so many Genesis videos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, but that doesn't everybody know this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they don't watch us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, please start watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're supposed to build the brand for Genesis.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're saying, even if we had massive numbers, I don't think we'd still, I just don't think...
[SPEAKER_02]: You think you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's no.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I say Genesis 2 and you're like, okay, I think it's like the luxury brand of Hyundai and I say GB60 and you're like, what the house of GB60?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, actually new enough of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the smallest one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would say, first of all, get rid of the stupid ass names.
[SPEAKER_02]: what gv yeah i mean like like like go with like stinger like that's a good name genesis stinger yeah i would buy that right like go with real names don't go with gv tl pc whatever the hell you want to call it just don't go with these alphanumeric or numeric alphac combinations it really
[SPEAKER_02]: don't stick in people's minds.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number six, this is another headscratcher, a cheap grand Cherokee out with an average, it's not a grand Cherokee.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a cheap grand wagon here out with an average price, so this may be the reason of 92,487.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's another one that still adds this kind of...
[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say screw the pooch and it's kind of cold and heartless, but it's kind of true.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem with the grandwagon here, there's three problems with the grandwagon here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number three, Andre.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, number number three, it's too expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: average price 92,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't know if it's a Jeep or a grand back in here, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now it knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they didn't know before.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no there was no Jeep name or badge.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now, well, yes, because 2024s, it wasn't sure if it was a Jeep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it didn't know what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you looked at the hood, you saw like the Jeep, you know, little labels on the horses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would think number one, the biggest problem with it is, it's just not very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's just, it's just, you know what the problem is?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you get involved against the suburban and Tahoe?
[SPEAKER_02]: You better bring it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I think I know the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not bad, but it's not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It started out with a big giant honking V8, and then for 2024-2026, it went to a straight sex hurricane twin turbo, which is a great engine, but it doesn't have that cachet, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have the V8.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm paying a hundred thousand dollars and I'm buying a quiet engine.
[SPEAKER_02]: All this nameplate, all this nameplate in the automotive world in America is suburban, just around the longest.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're going to go up against the Grand Yates suburban, the Grand Daddy of all these three rows and then you're going to go up against a Tahoe and you're going to go up against the Yukon, you better bring your A game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what they did was they brought a boat ton of technology, they brought their broad screens, they brought expense, they brought maybe too much luxury.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the reason the suburban is so successful as well as the Tahoe is they're not escalated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they actually created an escalated in terms of pricing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because remember the one we had at the Chicago Audit Show, it was like 126,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just don't think that there's a market there for a grandwagon here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's ironic, because you can make the argument that the wagon here was the first, if you take the Ranger route of it, was the first luxury SUV.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had wood paneling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they didn't do anything for like 30 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people's memories are out of the brand.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lost the brand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this, this, this I got to told you is a Dodge Hornet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't know what to say because it's sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and number one is also the Dutch horned flag and hybrid.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And number three is also the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are, these all have the same problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number three is the alpha romano tonale, so let's say, let's stable me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it with a tonale.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to Italy, okay, to actually drive this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Italy, that car was fantastic because first of all, tonale is a very famous past in Italy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're like, cool man.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is named after a past and people like drive, you know, it'd be like, they'd be like naming it after.
[SPEAKER_02]: Offramayo didn't realize that Tonala in Tonal are very similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other thing I figured out, when I was driving this and you couldn't put the hornet and you could put the hornet plug in, because they're all offramales that have been rebranded.
[SPEAKER_02]: The size is perfectly, and these little tiny roads, and you've got just enough pep in the car, is fun to drive and you're tossing it around, and then there are, and you're in an offramayo, which is like, you know, an Italy, which is a prestigious brand.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here, Offramayo doesn't have that name.
[SPEAKER_02]: recognition, like it does, unless you're an enthusiast.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not really tossing it around because you're going down the highway.
[SPEAKER_02]: And worst of all, it's a small car.
[SPEAKER_02]: The size is just wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: fit into American lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's too small if you're maybe as an empty nester, but a RAF 4 is bigger than this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that was the biggest fault, I think, of the Dodge Hornet, plug-in, and non-plug-in, and the regular one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going up against amazing vehicles for what they are, Honda CRV, Toyota RAF 4.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, they're all in a similar size.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody has won.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kia, Hyundai, Ford, and it didn't bring enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then also bad naming, and it was just, you know, complaining about not having real names.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hornet's horn is a great name, but the hornet was in the gray car.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't, like the original hornet was an AMC, but I don't remember this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would look up a hornet.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Roman,
[SPEAKER_00]: for a younger person, like I don't think Cole knows what the original horn is, but there's a lot of people and then demographic.
[SPEAKER_02]: who, I don't want to be like, you know, who grew up here, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because 1974, Roman, you left a lot, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I wasn't alive and I know, but you also weren't here through your high school years, where these cars were used cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you were here, if you had been here when you were like 10, 12, right, which you weren't, then you would have realized that you would see these cars on a road as shitty, sorry, crappy, I didn't mean to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that is the one I want it's like they did a twice they did it with a dart Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know it didn't work as a dart and this is this Hornet didn't work either It didn't work and they keep going back to that and I'm like no no if you're gonna go back to a car You know, it's got to be a car that has some fizz to a charger Challenger right and those are good names those are good names.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know Mustang right Hornet Camaro swinger let's just do a swinger next What is a swinger
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll look up a swinger, a died swinger, please don't tell citation.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go, there's a swinger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's like celebrity.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just bad cars and now, you know, they're remaking them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're remaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a friend Ed who loves darts, but he's, you know, he's just a scientist and he's weird about cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, there is this love for these things, but it's pretty tight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, there's two we forgot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four is the Chevy Malibu.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a sedan sedan sedan sedan.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost discontinued.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also fighting against the Camry and the Corn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's a tough one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the one that really is kind of, uh, I don't understand the grand Cherokee do that's number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one I don't understand it used to be the best seller.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sorry, one of the best sellers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But look, look at the average price, 64,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, that's something about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember the Cherokee used to be used to be kind of an entry level boxy square car that was affordable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the grand Cherokee kind of followed up with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit nicer and a little bit more premium.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at 64,000, you are getting into a premium W territory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the grand Cherokee should have an average price of like 50k.
[SPEAKER_02]: So take it down at least 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think it would sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I think Stellantis is fixing a lot of these problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the charger now has a gasoline engine, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The straight-sex hurricane.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Granul Cherokee now has another engine for 2026, and it's more affordable.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Malibu is gone, so they discontinued the Malibu.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Hornet, I'm not sure what they're doing with the Hornet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Gran Maginear colonel were just in Detroit what a month ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put a Jeep logo back on it, and it's a pure Jeep now, and they are rebranding it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these 10 cars with the most leftover 2025 I think there's something wrong with this list because these are the hottest selling cars So number 10 is a 400 number nine is a maverick.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are just very popular cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number eight is a 400 hybrid number seven is a tallus 6 0 5 GR Corolla a four Alexis elect 600 Subaru BRZ is two is three number two is a GX5 50.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't get those dude You can they're not leftover on lots and number one is BMW I4 which kind of makes sense the electric BMW
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not getting this list, I don't get this list, so we're going to Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to not try to, you know, figure it out, but let me tell you what I got to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just at the proving grounds for Toyota outside of Phoenix Arizona.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the middle of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got an entire tour of the proving ground, but they did roll out jealous.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did roll out, you should be jealous, because we got to drag race, or we got to say, I didn't get to drag race.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, if you were there, you would have demanded to drive it, and rightfully so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they had two semis, hauling 80,000 pounds, one was hydrogen powered, and one was the traditional diesel.
[SPEAKER_02]: One was a kind of worthwhile, one was a Peter belt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because two of them makes the power train.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, not not and they fuel cell power Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they put them in a line and they drag race them to show the difference Don't tell me who won cuz I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna show you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna tell you Okay, but I got to sit in both as it because I did they didn't let me drive it even though I guess I could have because it's on a pride proving ground But I don't think they wanted to let Jordan the slew's behind, you know, and because it would have opened the flood gates ramen
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, like the drag race was easy, but then the stopping was not so easy, but I think it's a quarter mile It was just not short.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was short.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we didn't go quite a quarter mile But yeah, you could feel the way pushing it on your 80,000 pounds is a lot and you can feel it
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That video is coming out just in a couple of days, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and then they get this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had all three of their off-road Tacoma's back to back to back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Tier D off-road Tier D pro and trail hunter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to do, I got to drive it back to back off-road.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where did you drive them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like on the off-road on the off-road course?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they obviously, they have like hills set off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have kind of like your pit in our ranch except much bigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have like 12,000 acres.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have 22.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have the budget of that to your hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: When they first built this proving ground, get this 1993.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had a 10 mile oval.
[SPEAKER_00]: 10 mile oval.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, can you imagine?
[SPEAKER_02]: going high top speed on the 10 mile old 10 mile old like now it's now it's kind of broke over the years it was you know it got the pavement got bad but imagine a 10 mile old imagine like if you're like one of the acutotos father actually was there for the ground breaking imagine when he got the bill for that
[SPEAKER_02]: by the way like you know like you'll you'll be in the 80s you said 93 93 yeah well the land should have been cheaper back now no the build a build a 10 well yeah no yes we have to build 10 miles of pavement yeah so I got to do that and then they had this was cool and you were kind of scratching your head about this but it actually is pretty cool they had a hydrogen powered decoma and tundra
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you said this, I saw the Seema track that the coma, H2, that was a basically a MRI fuel cell drive units, stuffed inside a pickup track, which I thought was a pretty clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you said there was a Tundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was hauling a fuel cell and it had a fuel cell and they were using it so they set up a tent and then they set up like bathrooms and you know speakers systems and it was and they were charging to EVs They were charging the woodland EV actually
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the B.C.
[SPEAKER_02]: woodland.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were charging that and they were all charging it off the fuel cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while we were there, it generated get this two gallons of water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because when you use a fuel cell product, there's a water vapor and just drink the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked them then.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like a probably shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have any minerals or anything, it has just H2O, it's not healthy because it's kind of taste metallic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can drink it, but it's not grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an idea that I passed along to him, I'm sure they'll not listen to me, but I thought, if you had a mori, you should, you know, you have a water bottle, they should have a water bottle holder, and then you should have like a little spot where they purify the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: From the exhaust, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then purify, add electrolytes, and it goes right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't that be cool, it goes right into your water bottle, like, and into the extendlies?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it makes a little bit coffee for you as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it just makes
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then the coolest one of all, this was bad attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're sitting there and you saw this, you saw us at SEMA, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, so we're sitting there and they go, we got something special for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And off of their off-road course, they have a bunch of off-road course.
[SPEAKER_02]: This side by side comes peeling out kind of going sideways, full lock, and then comes right at us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Toyota,
[SPEAKER_02]: built, a get this, a Tacoma-powered side-by-side, a 2.4-liter hybrid Tacoma-powered side-by-side.
[SPEAKER_02]: And keep in mind that the Tacoma is about 1,000 pounds heavier than the side-by-side.
[SPEAKER_00]: So over 300 horsepower, in this smaller, more lightweight package.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 1,000 pounds like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as a side by side goes Roman, this is not lightweight, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you compare it to like a Polaris or a Canon, I want to say it's like 3,500 pounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a pretty heavy side by side, but it's impressive looking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the first side by side that I know of that can run on only electricity because it's a hybrid.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they said it has like five miles of all electric.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're if you're like hunting, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is sports one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This probably isn't the ability to build a hunt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they couldn't build a hunt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say you're hunting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could sneak up on the game in self mode because you could drive it in an electric or let's say you're a Moe, I've been people in Moe, I'm in Moe, you have this weird thing where you have two speed limits.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a speed limit for cars, which is 35 in town and then you have it for side-by-side, which is 25.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know why that is?
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have seatbelts, no they do have seatbelts, no they have seatbelts, they don't have headlights, no, why, what, no, no, is it sound pollution, it is, yeah, is it sound related?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because side by side, I really loud and kind of farty and the reason that they don't want him going 35 is that they're too loud and too annoying so they make him go 25.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is painful in the high-performance machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here, but here, all electric?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a hybrid, not all electric.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But electric mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you could just, you know, 26 inches of suspension travel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you think they're gonna go through this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're gonna sell them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The interesting part, do you remember cyan?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I remember cheap, affordable, small cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so they retire that brand, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now the name of the side by side is
[SPEAKER_02]: The Siam 0-1 concept.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're bringing it back for Siam.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other craziest thing is are they're going to sell it to the Lexus dealership?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're selling Lexus or Toyota dealer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other crazy thing about it is it's I think it's one of the few side-by-sides that actually has a traditional 8-speed automatic because side-by-sides come in two flavors, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, most of them are CBTs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Except for Hada, which is a dual clutch, which is a motor cycle, and so this would be one of the first side-by-size with a traditional automatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool and I never understood this so maybe you can explain this to me Toyota has an incredible off-road heritage and they built a lot of really good off-roaders But they do nothing in power sports, so there's no motorcycles, no side-by-side, there's no Toyota power sports
[SPEAKER_02]: Honda across the way Honda builds anything and everything incredible power sport tradition Yes, so you know dirt bike side by side Don't aim it, but yes, but there's no true low range off-roader that they built as far as I'm aware But the passport is trail ridge Trial sport.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was thinking of the ridge line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is as close as it gets to an off-roader
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but yeah, there's no real like power sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's puzzling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but but Toyota also owns like many other companies, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean like like high-know, you know, semi, you know, the hot soup, the hot soup, part of B.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I'm surprised that Toyota doesn't really have a NERPORT FOLIO And I've like a power sport, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: No, so are they going to build it right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I said it's a cyan zero.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a concept.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was talking to the engineers and they were like, hey, that's your job, Roman.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to you got to convince it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you have to create the Genesis brand and now you have to create the cyan brand, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you have to convince the Muckity Mugs in the turn of city.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Akio himself that the green light is that they should build it, that this is something that the company should do.
[SPEAKER_02]: take my money.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what if it's $45,000?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so what?
[SPEAKER_02]: The enclose it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's where everything's going now, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Make give it air conditioning.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're already there, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got the power train.
[SPEAKER_02]: So make make it like the expedition, like the other expedition, uh, and yeah, those are 50,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, you know, this is where we're at with side-by-side now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are at 50,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jeep should also be thinking of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Polaris is definitely eating into jeeps world, especially from the off-road side, why not go the other way?
[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, why not have Tota and also eating into Tota's world, why not have Tota, take on Polaris and all the other Yamaha, all the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: power sports and actually use some of their engineers to build these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know who else could be convinced of this, Jim Farley, because he's participating for the second time in the row in the Dakar rally with a custom built, you know, they're column raptor T1s, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could also build the side by side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have the heritage, you know, they have the offered racing, they could also come in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I also talk with some of the journalists about the new Mustang GTD, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The $400,000,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this is a segue into our list of bull, wow, Roman, you have really good segue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a segue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have a really good segue.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the consensus by many people was that unlike the previous four GT, the first gen, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The second, the two GTs, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you had the first gen, which was built by Ford, V8.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not talking about the GT40.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm talking about the first talk about the GT1000 GT.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the one that is the older of the two.
[SPEAKER_00]: The V8 one that everybody wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the V8 one that's the one that's the one that's the manual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not the EcoBoost one.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what's happening with those two prices is initially, of course, the new one, the EcoBoost, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The swoopy sporty looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look up for GT so that people see the difference between the two of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The prices are crossing really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the first generation GT, the blue one on the bottom, that's the second generation, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: scroll down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got both of them there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the red one is the first generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then the blue one is a second yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so the prices are crisscrossing the first generation this one that we're looking at is a in the Gulf River.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hold on hold on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's too much there's too much happening here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's what is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is a designer, I interviewed him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the designer of the first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bam!
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's what it's like.
[SPEAKER_02]: That one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The prices are going up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want one so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the prices on the second one are going down the new one.
[SPEAKER_02]: About time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're crisscrossing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thinking is that the new one, the Mustang GTD, is not going to have, because both of these would not be value.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thinking is that if you're thinking about getting a GTD, that it is not going to increase value, that it's going to actually decrease in value.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's already $3.5 to $400,000, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the reason for that is, because it's farly built it as a Porsche GT3 RS competitor.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's extremely heavy and it's got the footprint.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very big.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a large car.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I think it's 4,500 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very heavy and it's very big.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is everything that's 43,43.
[SPEAKER_02]: So almost 4,400 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's built by basically Multimatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but the EcoBoost GT, the second gen GT, was also largely built by Multimatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's different because this one, the GTD, Ford gives them the body and then they kind of widen it and they stretch it, whereas the second generation GT, the EcoBoost engine, that was a complete Multimatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, it was a unique body, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was unique.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't take it as existed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a bespoke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they didn't take an existing Mustang and basically converted.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first GT as well, it was completely bespoke, and that was, I think, built by Ford, whereas this is basically a customized version of a Mustang with the big Mustang GT 500 engine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't necessarily have a unique engine, it doesn't have a unique body.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only unique thing about it is kind of the way it's suspension works, but when you combine all that, and they're going to build, I don't know how many they're going to build, I should know, what they're going to build, I don't know if we know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we know, but it's not limited, I don't think, and you combine all that, and the thinking is it's probably not going to grow up in value.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the first year, but at the end of the year, it's probably going to go down.
[SPEAKER_00]: You heard it here first, folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want a GTD, just wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be waiting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so wait, you know, be the second buyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's my second question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's your segway to the Hagerty's bull market list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so every year, Hagerty does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They pick cars that they think are going to appreciate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way they do that, of course, is Hagerty ensures a lot of classic cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they can watch to see what cars people are buying, how much the value is because when you, the way Hagerty works, unlike any other insurance companies, when you buy a classic car, you say, hey, this thing is worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: 35,000 let's say and then if if it gets stolen or if it gets wreck they'll pay you 35,000 But it's not they they don't like say they don't go in then like a regular insurance company like your truck So you have a Tundra T.R.D.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes previous gen if you if you were to crash that then the insurance company would say this is how much we're paying you and you'd be like Oh, no, no, no, no, it's worth a lot more because they wouldn't take you know count that it has a historical unless that cool blue
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, they would just probably find like a just comparable somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, another problem, but that's not the really cool one, and then you didn't be an argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how did you do a little bit more enthusiast based?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and with Hagridies, I paid 35 for this, whatever you paid for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they also, I tried to ensure with Hagridie my bread loaf, my Buhanka Russian van, and they didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, well, we...
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no category for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no category for it, so we argued a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do you get it, Jared?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not brought to you by Haggerty.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, they don't pay us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I expect they compete with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: They compete with us heavily and also IC cards doesn't pay us.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, nobody pays us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Forch except except for you who watch us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Except their pay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys pass the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we really appreciate all right, so dude when I started the TFL when I first met you Yeah in 2011 my first stick was I was writing a column on the website called modern collectibles I really wanted to predict what was going to be valuable and collect that's your that's your scientists That's your you know that's my mathematical science coming through yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: So was I right or was I wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So 2006 to 2013 Chevy Corvette 06 55 thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the C6 and this is a large motor car.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a seven liter giant V8.
[SPEAKER_00]: I drove one around the block ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give you a card to end of this list that I think is going to appreciate besides besides.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but that could be on board with this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you on board with this one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Corvets are hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: They appreciate the C1, of course, appreciated the C2, C3s are worthless right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, we own one, or I should say worthless, but there's the malaise era Corvets are doing well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And an issue always with Corvets is as many as they could sell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an every man's and gals, every gals, supercar.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I know is we had a C6, and I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha, I did not like our C6.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll tell you that, personally, I thought the car just was lacking some of the charm and some of the crookedness of the earlier ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were a lot of problems with the earlier ones because we had a C5 as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: We currently have a C3 case head, had a C4, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just found the C6 to be a little kind of,
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the grand sport.
[SPEAKER_02]: If for me I would get the grand sport version of this because we had it this is young enough that we had it as a review car and I really enjoyed the grand sport.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never driven the C6, the 06 version of it, but the one that we had, I wasn't in love with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is 06, C6, sixth generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you would buy it for the engine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well the problem with the C6 is the C7.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really the C7 just got took it to the next level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it to the next level and just became much nicer interior.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had that seven speed, which I think was a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I might be tempted to just go for the C7 because there's 55,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: You won't get a zero, 67, but you will get, you could probably get a grand sports C7.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I might be tempted to go for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a much nicer car in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Much more refined, much better put together, much nicer interior.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of where I'm at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is our third hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're speaking here and for there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we over an hour yet?
[SPEAKER_02]: Cole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gee.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 2006 to 2010 BMW M5.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because we're having fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roman.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're having fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 36,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my wife's cousin, Mike, you've met him, Mike, the transporter, he owned one of these cars back, you know, several years back and he really thought it was a hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't experienced this V10, powered M5.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm kind of lusting after ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am lusting after one big time.
[SPEAKER_02]: My biggest question is, you're going to pay 36 for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much is it going to cost you to reliably maintain that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That scares me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be that scares me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're going to have to budget another 10k per year for repairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's being, I don't think I'm exaggerating.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so you may want it, but you know for 36, is it 36,000?
[SPEAKER_00]: For 36,000, is that what Hagrid said?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for 42 grand, you bought a Viper V10.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the car I would get for that money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Viper is undervalued, especially the overvalued.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially the first gen. Because analog is in right now, everybody wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about the experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about the control and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: and shifting, get yourself a manual first and Viper there, $40 to $50.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are reliable because they're dodges.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: An engine is not fancy, just a push rod V10.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will, nothing breaks on that car, unless you roll it into a tree, which is possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'd go for the Viper all the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know we've got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a dug car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't this is above our pay grade, so it's a Porsche Core GT 1.5 million.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have nothing to cover to say about this because I've never even sat in one let alone You know driven one, so I could there's nothing I can add to this conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've ever smelled one So let's move on because that's not our money.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one I can talk about
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the 1999-2005 Mazda MX-5 Miata 16,600.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lovely car.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had an NC that we owned.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of over Miata's.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't think me out of the answer, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the problem with the recent meata that we had on loan from Mazda?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't fitting inside of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't fit either.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you and I are the wrong people to ask.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't ask us because I look right into the top day pillar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt claustrophobic and one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember this is just sold at the donated car auction for like 7,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice one, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one, yeah, very nice one
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the the Japanese spec skyline GTR love love this car would not want it on it 1995 from 1996 Nissan Skyline GTR 82,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so over right hand drive cars in America I am so over and we had that mini that was right hand drive try going to a Starbucks or McDonald's and one of these things I know that's a very TFL way of looking at it, but that's how you look at it
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go unless I'm my lovely wife is sitting next to me and she could talk to the Yeah, drive through attendance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know if you're younger This is just a me thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably not gonna be bothered by it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's cool But I do not like right hand drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's they're just
[SPEAKER_02]: odd driving experience just really odd and you can use to shifting with your left hand which is great it's not that much harder than shifting with your right hand but but why it's like you know it's like it's like going to a fight with one hand type behind your back I don't want to do that alright let's go on let's keep going
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're in Volkswagen dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is this is all on you tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a 1995 through 98 Volkswagen Golf GTR VR6 for $20,000 is that the one they get because you had this generation didn't you?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I had the four you have the four.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is but we're looking at this in the MK3 so third gen GTI VIR6 is a great engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a narrow angle V6, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So quiet Yenika and Gena this one made 172 for power
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, in the Bentley, yes, they put two of those engines in one engine and the Roman Bonnet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm creating the W12.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why by one?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Bentley was only 35, so if you bought two of these cars, you'll be 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is actually not my favorite generation of golf.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I don't like the look of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love this second gen, you know, the brown headlights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, the MK2's are amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also love the MK4 because it was kind of like... With you, I don't like this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, hagrity, I think you're wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, even in yellow it looks boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just, you know, it just looks boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: For this much money, you can get a carado, which I would get all day long, or you can get a Scorpio Scorpio Scorpio?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, what was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Shirako.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shirako, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shirako, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, or you could get a Scorpion.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole different car.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a cause word.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could get that for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it depends.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you grow up with one of these, it might tug on your strings.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did not grow up with this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go pass on that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, TFL.
[SPEAKER_00]: So 1993, Chevy Silverat basically this is like a K or a C 1500 Silverado truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: 454 SS.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Roman, do you see the price?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 59,000 for a raccoon truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roman, I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: These trucks are this expensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a 454 SS is $60,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like a typhoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cole, I, Roman, I could have bought, I feel like that type of thing I brought, yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I could have, we could have bought like four of these 10 years ago for that much money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I may be, you know, 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two door sports trucks, maybe they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming back, maybe four.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm shocked, it's, it's a fun vehicle, but it's still an old Chevy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also a rear wheel drive, which is not full-wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the wheels though, they're cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the color, I don't like the red cool look on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is it the pass?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's a go for it, but the price seems high.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the interior's gonna be a lower.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just is.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, keep going, Cole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, this one I could go for that for 25 I go for this is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely I would definitely on it We're looking at a 1981 93 93 died Ram charger 25,000 that is a cool car and it's probably the last one that went up right because the the Tahoe is the two door Tahoe is went through the roof The Broncos the two door Brian OJ Broncos your Simpson Broncos.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this could be the most affordable way Into that like big American to the or Yeah, I love the ram on the hood that is
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a ram, it's a
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the hot car was the Super Force Gen right along with Torbonne along with the RX7 but along with the Mitsubishi VR and the 300D engine Air Force.
[SPEAKER_02]: So 300DX has not come up, but finally they're starting to come up, but the Supros went first, the Mazda's went.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Mitsubishi's haven't gone yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are all competitors and the reason for I think this one haven't gone is the quality and the use is probably pretty of is more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think maybe not a lot of them were built.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they were making more valuable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, potentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you know what, what if they brought this name back?
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember how they had the Ram Charger name.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they went for unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: bring it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're bringing back this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm guessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes Nick, it's a free one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just figured it out, Andre.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Get rid of the grandwagon here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And bring back the ram charger.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, just rename it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just rename it as the ram charger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, my record.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a pain in my neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sell it as a ram.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's actually not a fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't belong with Jeep.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one's buying it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, lower the price of the grandwagon here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bargamir.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then lower the price of this and call it a ram charger and sell it as a ram.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you go Nick.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all yours man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tim Kinescus.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't know anything about the Alfa Romeo G TV except it's sexy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in 1969 through 1972 Alfa Romeo GTV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't say anything smarter about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love what it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably amazing to drive, but if it were my money, I'd buy Corvett.
[SPEAKER_02]: And another one, yeah, so I'll get that old deal of six over this.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but we don't know enough about this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's original charger.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Nathan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where is Nathan?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: 1968, 1978, 1978 Dutch charger at about $91,000 or so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, so this was like one generation ahead of me the guys will love these and I think that what you're seeing is Fast and furious right cuz this is what this is names car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's torrentos torrentos car Right, and I think that's what bringing the price of these things up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes because that black one in fast and furious is so iconic And it is an iconic design.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just absolutely gorgeous and yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah you don't want to turn you don't want to turn and then of course you know the older generation that that's into these things are restomating them and now they're even worth more because they want car play and they don't want the and the radio anymore and they want Spotify and they want to be able to like you know call their doctor just by going a call doctor peat as opposed to you know have you dial it all right keep going is are we at the end of the
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, this is beyond the years.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: 56 for the 57, continental mark two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know enough about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like a startled car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like startled cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: The expression is like the teeth are out and the eyes are open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's Lincoln is not for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would get a mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would get a mark four.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would get a mark five Which we I own my dad had a mark five.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my generation I guess this one is a two-door.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why it's going up in value.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because the two-door could be a removable top two could be I'm not a big white wall kind of guy and I'm not a big chrome kind of guy It's got a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the color that they pick which is this like life blue, but yeah, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all these cars which if I gave you one to pick which would you buy and then we'll wrap it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's review really quick and let's look if we have any more comments on page.
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch this easy ram charger all day long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, especially for 25k.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm buying one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me one.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you got one this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if you got give me money, a courage team for 1.5.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, you're.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not giving you money.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's your, you, this is real.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is your money.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get the buy one, which you have to convince your wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to mortgage your house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, you do bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram Charger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All day long.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would buy that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's 4x4.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's big.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well guys, thanks for joining Andrew and myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think next week's time is back in town So and don will be very thankful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and you and if you want to hear more from Andre What was your talking trucks?
[SPEAKER_00]: You was really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so one of our friends Steven Elmer from trucking was a guest on our show DFL talking trucks and we chatted about many topics.
[SPEAKER_00]: We chatted about
[SPEAKER_00]: behind the scenes of filming, you know, towing comparisons and off-road tests, he does a lot of difficult off-roading in Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also have a property up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Caroline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hydroline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of water, but also it's an electrical line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you talk about his, to come with transmission any bro?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys talk about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's a sore subject.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering if you talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but we'll talk about trends, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we talked about Seema going to Seema and looking at trends, uh, sport trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you love trucks, this is going to be an excellent discussion I'm guessing, because this is too died in the world for guys going at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and it's got to be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to listen to that one, I'm going to enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, uh, we're really great friends, but we're also competitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So did you talk about like inside like a little bit yeah, we talked about thumbnails You know talked because we talked about you know getting that thumbnail especially for an Alfred video That's steep and deep yeah But you don't want to damage anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm saying there's a balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how far do you go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you damage something or do you go steep and deep?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna listen there when I'm looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That publishes on Just right now right now right now right now
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, yesterday, yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but, today, yeah, today's Thursday, so tomorrow, for you guys, it's three days ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, you have, like you said, you have a lot of cool Toyota stuff coming up as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Coming up, yeah, so stay tuned for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, oh, I have another, oh, we have another video with the Land Rover Defender 130 pickup truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one that's going to be really interesting, and you should definitely watch is we are doing our truck of the year testing and our...
[SPEAKER_02]: Premier video will pull back race when it's right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is out already and you drag race the four All-size half-ton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if you want to find out which is the quickest half-ton or full-size truck Head on over to tfl truck or all tfl.com
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also important because this is the last video in the series and then which after this video we picked the winner you picked the winner So you got to watch this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll name the TFL truck of the year all right guys as always Thank you for watching and over to all TFL.com for more news views in one country real world reviews.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you next time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ciao