[SPEAKER_00]: What's up everybody?
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the stack.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Alex.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just I'm Pete and on the stack we review a bunch of books that have come out this weekend Once again another big week at the old comic book shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's not waste any time kick it off with a huge conquer as I like to call them
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's what we call comic books.
[SPEAKER_00]: We like absolutely Batman number 15 from DC comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is written by Scott Snyder art by Jock and I think it's fair to say even though there's a lot of comics that came out this year This is one of the most hyped issues in a very long time
[SPEAKER_00]: because we are finally getting to meet in full the absolute Joker.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of asterisk and origin story for the character and I say asterisk because the way they lay it out here is Alfred Pennyworth is telling the story of the Joker.
[SPEAKER_00]: To that man in narration, but takes a little bit of inspiration for the killing joke because we get a origin for the Joker that seems reasonable and then Batman pushes him on and it's like, well, what do you think it is like, okay, here's the evidence that I've assembled It's like, but really what do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: So like we got in the Kelly joke where we got three different origins for the Joker and any of them could be right probably all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: same thing here, they're pushing this absolute joker into a mythic level, but with the added bonus of something that Scott's there's been very open with for a very long time now, but gets very explicit about on this issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: This joker is essentially what we think of as Bruce Wayne, but for the absolute universe, down to having a butler, down to have a bad shit, down to having a cave, hiding behind his clock and his study, all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought absolutely wild issue that paid off on the promise with some truly fantastic art in a way that I haven't seen from jock before, particularly because we're peeding the story, almost beat for beat with the panel structure, but exaggerating it and making more horrific each time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really great stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that was me monologuing for a while, but what did you guys think about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: we'll just going off what you said like I feel like the art is it makes Batman sort of the other character in here and it really is the Joker story like Batman is only in shadow you never sees faces on the in the the uniform
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and while the Joker character, we really get to know and the fact that it's told in sort of three corrective steps where you hear the story, you hear corrections of the story and then deeper corrections to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought really actually makes you
[SPEAKER_02]: to drills this puts it very hard in your head, which I think it's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scott Snyder has been pushing this sort of immortal Joker or infinite Joker for a quite a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in main continuity, this was sort of established in his run as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, for that, and it never quite, I never believed it in main continuity, but here I'm like, yes, of course, like, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but my favorite part is the last couple of pages where we get this Joker being Bruce Wayne to the on just straight to the bone, like that is, Greta Master stroked to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, holy fucking shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: This cover melted my fucking world.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could not believe what I was looking at because like, okay, you're like, I've put on some pants, buddy, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, absolutely no naked joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely bane was like holy shit like how was Batman gonna win?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's jack, but he's not bane jacks.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like oh man, this is crazy And then when I saw this I was like, oh, I don't know how is that like Joker's in a beast mode situation and it's like a part devil.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like this isn't saying But then we'll get the story and it's like he has a Butler and I was just a little bit
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this image melted my brain, and that I wasn't able to handle an actual story, because my mind was so blown with the image of what this Joker is, but that's not what's in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was a little tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: But man, I am so trust you trust anyone with a boulder.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you said, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any outfit for the jet, you love boulders.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love your outfit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like I respect for the barbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You like Turkish.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like buttons.
[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think there's also there's Daredevil's butler, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Foggy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Foggy Nelson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dare you.
[SPEAKER_00]: How dare you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stop talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you like some little sandwiches?
[SPEAKER_03]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, that's it's funny because John for a role, probably, you know, Faggy and also he did this line and the tennis movie where he had the cucumber sandwiches bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So my mind kind of crossed there when you did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, once my mind was done being melted by this image, I'll be excited to be able to kind of read the next issue because I was in
[SPEAKER_02]: because just how demonic it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I thought this is going to be a pure evil Joker that is a demon, not like, you know, this Batman version.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how is he going to fucking fight a demon Joker?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're fucked, but then it's like, oh, he's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Batman just won't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about this character a little bit because I thought this was an interesting take and I'm curious to see how this spins out because something that Scott Center has discussed is how in the normal universe, Batman is order and Joker is chaos, so he flipped it for the absolute universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this absolute Batman is chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one who's breaking the system, throwing a wrench of the gears.
[SPEAKER_00]: That Joker's whole thing, we've definitely seen this so far, at least in his human guys, is order.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one holding things together.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we get here because we get to see him go to these islands that he has where he's basically sent people who have given him grievances over the years for decades and that he hunts one of these guys in dragon form is this is him letting that order go and becoming chaos for a little bit, but I'm not quite sure what that does to the metaphor necessarily.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I disagree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more like he's this is his treat for keeping everything in order and he's setting the order by doing it this way and it's sort of the ancient order of killer be killed the most primal order is he hunts for sport his enemy when he's ready
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a to me it's like a little treat or a compulsion that he has But I I love the like I said I love the way this is is told and the flip from What you said in the past a story told it that feels I think we'll look back on this time in our real lives as like Oh, in the last decade it went from being like the order made sense to like the order is chaotic and we don't know And I think this this change in the storytelling that Scott Snyder has pushed is a reflection of that
[SPEAKER_02]: not only because this is in a set in a universe that dark side evil is the primal force, but also I think our world is different, and the systems that are meant to hold us up feel like they're threatening us more in our regular lives, and this changed to Joker, I think is a reflection of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the one other thing that I thought was very neat that I'll throw out there is this Joker has very clear notes of being a bat, like he's a dragon, but he has leathery wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the pokey up ears at the top, so they're really, really push of this hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm pretty psyched to see them go head to head and see how that plays out because this definitely feels like Scotch's Scytler and this is the thing that he's been leading to all along.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wonder if it's going to be one of those things where Batman ends up on Joker Island and then gets kind of haunted, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: See, I think this Batman has to take a stand-up comedy class.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh!
[SPEAKER_00]: So, did people get a stand-up comedy?
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs to become a clown, a clown, a class or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can be right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I come out for an introduce me is Joker and Joker's be like, I'm am Joker!
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a trade mark argument, that will be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we move on to another big issue this week, ultimate spider man number 23 for Marvel written by Jonathan Hickman, art by Marko Chichetto and David Messina.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the pen ultimate issue of who will
[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimate spider-man, as we see spider-man fighting the kingpin, as he is on the cover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's in a lot of danger except for Uncle Ben and Jay-Jone and Jay-Nosen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing the ultimate users' favorite activity, releasing a video so the entire world can see the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great to see that two months at a row, last month the ultimate is down here again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to imagine living in the ultimate unit and I'm like, oh boy, more secrets here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well part of the ultimate is how just rid the great, the Wi-Fi is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's really connected.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, maybe I'm animating this too strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this title is always good, but I felt a little let down by this issue, given that it's the second to last issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's some good seeds in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great art is always from Marco Chucheto and David
[SPEAKER_00]: Frankly, I mean, maybe it's just fall to publishing, but that the big move in this issue was releasing a video of the same thing they did in the ultimates, and that Spider-Man is just fighting the Kingpid, something that we've seen a lot in the mainline universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't, I've been like left-screening almost every single issue so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one did not, so it felt like a little bit of a step down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think eventually sort of all the chickens have to come home to roost and I think this series has taken its time and really let a lot of stuff cook slowly on the back burners.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I think by that very nature like then that the climax has to it can't be too complicated because there's already just so many elements that play.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it has to be, I think, in the case of this issue, a sort of pre-strait forward and simple story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did like a lot of the moves here, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a betrayal by the Green Goblin, which I thought was really well done and very fitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Mr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Negative Kingpin stuff felt a little, like, honestly, a reminded me of the Imperial crossover.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: This feels complicated and it not fun with a sort of like just mild ending like I wanted it to be a big thing But they sort of like Mr. Neger was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good luck Just walks off so I was like, oh okay, but because the rest of the characters have so much going on I like the Mysterio presentation of that character that's here, which has been a wild an interesting interpretation And I really like Peter Parker's son and what's going on with him
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool cover.
[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite panel is the beginning where it says Peter Parker and then Mary Jane Watson Parker and I like all that's just awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to stay in there forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I love the art.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like all the fun action sequences felt very ultimate and cool to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm really curious to see how this ties up next issue because to be clear, there's a lot of stuff that I really liked here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the moves that they're making with Dr. Octopus, excuse me, Otto Octavia, she's not Dr. Octopus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's the superior Spider-Man, that's a really interesting character, the relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: between Ben Parker, no Richard, Richard Parker, the son, and the black cat is really interesting as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of fun to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, if anything, maybe the least fun part of this is Peter Parker in this comic book.
[SPEAKER_02]: But well, he's become the most
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, I'm curious to see what the conclusion is next issue because this is a bad issue by any means in my estimation, but a lot of that is going to be bad about how this all shakes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's also, they've done, they've established so many good active relationships that it's crazy to me that this is just ending next issue and bye-bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, also, I really like the Gwen Stacy being five Mysterios in one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty creepy and fun as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next up, Tina is reading Ninja Turtles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number 13 from IDW written by Gene Loan-Yang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Art by Freddie E. Williams the second.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is picking up after the lauded run from Jason Aaron, which finished last issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the Turtles are back in action.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing Peter?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you seeing the turtle theme?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just in the background while you're talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not okay, but I'm really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, underscore.
[SPEAKER_00]: the turtles are back in the good places of New York City and each other their friends again their brothers again they are fighting the good fight everybody loves them and enter two new enemies one is called pop a bang is that what it is pop a bang
[SPEAKER_00]: Papa Bang was a big yak who punches hard and the other one is amazing and we called Ujigami and I should mention should have mentioned the several titles ago but mass spoiler warning for everything that we're talking about in the stack here but we're also picking up on the big cliffhanger from Jason Irons run which is that splinter is back alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: How is it alive?
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens next?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well you find out pieces of that in this issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's the thing I know you say splinter, but that's just a giant rat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he giant rat?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a lot of rats are like that in New York, big and scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hang out on rooftops and watch people fight and yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that laterally, yes, Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just watching this big city mile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's Mr. Jamble's all grown up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's sort of jangles around me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know in the country you see like some sort of hedgehog on top of a hill or something Yeah, but that's we have that it's different in New York ground talk, but yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have hedges there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's hedges are like little trees.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thanks, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the art style was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's great to see the boys together kicking butt again.
[SPEAKER_03]: not sure what's happening there but i'm excited to find out it's a nice kind of twist in this splinter dead is he that rat that was on his shoulder for a while like what's up yeah so uh yeah i'm glad we're getting to the bottom of this are you happy that splinters sort of back yeah of course it's their father
[SPEAKER_02]: not physically well right did he have wait just a quick question because he's a rat he's a regular rat that got mutated to human did he have a rat who knows karate rat is not a regular rat and that he happened to me do we all rats know a different form of martial arts you think
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, depending on who raised them, yeah, I mean, if someone raised them and caught them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So get them right to talk to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, come on, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: How fat bad do you think they wish that that was mouse to two?
[SPEAKER_02]: Rats are grosser, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but that's the point of the have you watched have you even watched retitude or like let's not be tattooing No, no, that's the point of retitude Don't try to that the movie came from the word rat tattooing like that's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's impressive That their picks are they lead into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They lead into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lead jokes about the rat being disgusting
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, you were saying something about like splinter was a rattle of you karate you fucked a human and had some turtles Is that what I was thinking did he have four turtle sperm in his rat balls?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, don't you remember he just raised the turtles?
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't like at least 20 years ago Yeah, he just is so far off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do hear the whole theme song But I believe you're saying life is like a turtle sperm here in rat balls
[SPEAKER_02]: Ducktails, he's doing Ducktails, he's doing Ducktails, he's doing a different, I don't know, that's a pretty good beef saga, they're both doesn't matter where we started.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, mask is one of the better theme songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, we'll get to that in a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he raised these turtles when he was a mutated rat man.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But didn't father.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's how he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said he didn't have sex to make these turtles, but does splinter fuck What do you think he's it who does he what light what blows his hair back his body hair back is it rats or humans?
[SPEAKER_00]: We all though we're thinking of right
[SPEAKER_02]: very uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Feeds like I don't want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't what girl.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we know what you're saying or trying to ignore this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, try to take a higher road.
[SPEAKER_02]: April has a lot of eligible bachelor's to choose from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Veritable buffet of karate fight men and anyway, I thought this was pretty fun I love Jason's Aaron's run and I love the uncertainty of it that Through me purposefully for a loop, but I liked being off-kilter throughout that run This feels much more traditional to me, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad That would argue certainty is a good way of Describing this and that makes sense, but I
[SPEAKER_00]: like Jean Luin Yang is a writer and I trust that he is going to get to a place.
[SPEAKER_00]: He certainly gets to a place that's pretty interesting by the edge of the issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So curious to keep following this going forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did have one that I like exactly with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does seem fun to get back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like when we were talking about the Godzilla Teenage Wounded Turtles Cross over that was really rooted in the 90s cartoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what a breath of fresh air.
[SPEAKER_02]: I
[SPEAKER_02]: knowing that we all love the Jason Aaron run.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing in this that I think has been I've noticed a lot happening a lot in comics in the last six months There's a panel in here big splash page where the turtles on the man hat and bridge for some reason the last beautiful bridge in New York
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Michael Andrew says, I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cowabunga.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cowabunga.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's been a thing, a retraction of just let the character just say their catchphrase rather than like reference it and then say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not knocking Jean-Louis and Yang about this because it's just everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like everyone feels like they need to qualify this, but I want to speak for the fans and just be like, they could just say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it more when they just say it and maybe it's a little too earnest or cheesy, but I'm like we love them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we want them to say their thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't need to be so arch about it because they don't know that it's overplayed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, my manager doesn't know anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know you guys all the kids say that it's overused and party napkins and all sorts of stuff, but hey, I'm going to I'm going to say Kalabunga.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just say cow bugger, we all be happy and there's a chance that there's a continuity you could call on here since Michelangelo in this world is a famous actor as a established in Jason Aaron's run that maybe he is purposefully being that way, but that's just struck out to me in a metaway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on, talk about the darkness number one from top cow and image commentary by Martin Sylvester, art by Ed Benesius with Subtested.
[SPEAKER_02]: You love this and I have a lot of questions for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am definitely for an I can't explain it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a sucker for the darkness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he is a character that looks cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like he's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very cool in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says edgy 90s to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was curious about checking this one out because the recent which played reboot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought was very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very well done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Took it back to basics while taking it through a new lens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was excited to see
[SPEAKER_00]: part of the think tank behind the park is a good place good whether he would reinvent it in fact this is a back-to-basics new origin story for the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have one question for you guys something that I was very unclear on while I was reading this issue does Jackie Estecato is the main character
[SPEAKER_00]: Like and does has he ever had sex?
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess like it's a corollary thing Are you having like eight times in this comic bro?
[SPEAKER_00]: Really really like every two pages or so There's like a very for this rating explicit sex scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like sort of like he's like a splinter type character
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he's so much I'm a little worried that maybe he's got a problem with it And what if there is there also like some sort of scenery is a bar and his friend is like you got to stop at it So one sex you're having too much sex This made me think that this is a real person who wrote this It was trying to is his never had sex with a friend of his friends that he has a lot of sex
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I was Here how much you love this, but let me just I just have to read a quick passage That he has post-coitis in one of those sex scenes with a human woman that he's talking to and this is the exchange Are you Are you shitting me dude?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I look like some kind of cheap hooker to you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wouldn't say cheap considering what I just paid for dinner
[SPEAKER_02]: really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I see how it is jerk off and then he responds, thanks to you I won't have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was like, yo, it's great to hear a jerk off coming back, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't had that term in a long time, so I was like, oh, it's trying to bring jerk off.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I'm going to clarify, like I have liked old, darkness comics, despite my better judgment, just because again, like this dude having like demons fly out of him and eating people is fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: This comic is like the dark erotious flip of what they did on which blade where we talked a lot about there was something about the witch laid being invasive and Sarah Pasini retaking it with her sexuality, with her body trying to fight it and hold onto her own agency that here because like
[SPEAKER_02]: where that was progressive this is regressive yes exactly and if it were to be turned to have meaning there but it literally feels like posturing I mean this and comic should be called the darkness as a sex problem and then I would been like oh this this is a lot better he'd be like I have a sex solution
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Appropriate art, I would say, for what you get, like, this is a top cal comic from top to cal for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels fresh out the 1996.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask you a question?
[SPEAKER_03]: So Mark's a Vestry, I thought, was an artist, right, on this originally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: he's been writing and doing art for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually doing art a lot less.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had completely forgotten that Garth and Esco created the darkness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was also surprised to see.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it just felt like, the semester was writing, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it felt like the artist who was then working for the semester was trying to be like, hey, this is kind of like your art style, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm doing an impression, which I've
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, going in a different direction, if you're, or is it better to be like, hey, it's a vestuaries writing, let's try to get us a vestuary feel?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Venice is in this world, in general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not like that it's an aping situation, and, you know, I think it's appropriately close, but not mimicry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, regardless, that was that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we move on and talk about the end, 2099 number one of the written by Steve Orlando art by E-Brain Roverson per the title, the end of the 2099 universe is here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, as one would expect, it comes from a Galactus who is also null at the same time, he is going to eat the entire universe and the only one who stands in his way.
[SPEAKER_00]: is Pete's favorite character, Bethisto, who gathers a bunch of heroes from throughout the twenty-nine-nine-nine universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Abyssal is that the name of the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, yeah, I think that's our surfer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this is fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I thought the kind of venom-looking galactus was worth it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that was really kind of a cool look and kind of fun to see.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, twist it the end there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is kind of a fun and sane mash-up of ideas.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I'm into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's weird though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I have to roof from a Festo steam in this,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I feel about, but on their net, this is kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all gonna be married to Mary Jane by the end of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you want?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think the world's gonna end in 2019?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I think might be.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna make it there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, Steve Orlando is perfect for this because he's able to touch on all the characters from this universe that I really enjoy from the X-Men to Spidey 299 to Punisher, even we get in here real quick, really great while also pushing it obscenely forward with the reveal and on the last couple of pages.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm on board with this, I always have loved the 299
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's Peter David, run on Spidey 29.9 is so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first half of this issue, Steve Roland has been working on the 29.9 universe for while.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first half of this issue feels like a crazy amount of exposition if you haven't been keeping up with stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But despite what I said earlier, what do they get to the Tournament?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you guys are saying, it is actually a lot of fun and they're having a really good time.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a moment with Ghost Rider 20 that I see to hide where the VISTA is like, you're not real.
[SPEAKER_00]: funny to just like the fist there was a fad strolling the CBR4 or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: The arts good as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So get past the first half of the issue if you haven't been reading along, read the second after the issue, I think you'll have a fun time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of fights and tournaments, it is all fight month over at D.C. where we're getting one on one matchups, one shots and cutting into ongoing series as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: These you actually have to read in order, by the way, because they are telling through usually I think like two, maybe four pages, an ongoing story of what's been going on with booster goals, who's taken over by
[SPEAKER_00]: But here, October 12, written by Jeremy Adams, art by John Timbs, this is a surfing turf battle, as Aquaman takes on Han, as I keep accidentally calling him, so I'm just gonna say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way this part of the tournament works is they get three rounds, or at least this is your two rounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: to, but it's best to out of three to win, and each time they come back, they can take on another form.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we really liked the issue that came out last week with SuperBediverse Katzenot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm headed to feel about round two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought this was fun, you know, Aquaman kind of beats down, Hawkman twice, so I thought it was cool, epic, fight, yeah, I liked them being kind of like K-O, you know, at the end kind of makes me feel like I'm playing a video game or something which is fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, love the art, love the action, I'm still having fun with this K-O event, so I thought this was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, same.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like how powerful Aquan gets to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And sort of everyone, almost responding to everyone by being like, hey, man, I'm pretty awesome to water every water's everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Think about.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am drinking a beer right now, which he could clearly drown me and if I were fighting I'll come in right now though could might be taken away from this issue though was like how come Hawkman just doesn't hit in like I love Hawkman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Hawkman is awesome in this issue Why aren't we getting Hawkman as a major character in the DC unit?
[SPEAKER_00]: just hasn't we had a different times we've gotten some cool I think people just get in their head about the continuity of their character like oh boy how do I reconcile all that when it's like he's a cool two with wigs grudds for treasure like just go with that and I think it's gonna be mace yeah it's pretty sweet
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also though very serious.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also gets tied romantically to Hawker or Hawke woman or both of them through resurrection and whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of stuff going on there and again I think it's like Legion where it probably is an easier nut to crack if you don't worry about continuity but then fans will be like, whoa, but you forgot about thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just feel like get a clean take out here and let's just have him do some stuff because he's awesome Great character ultimate black Panther number 23 from Marvel written by Brian Hill art by Carlos The end of this is another pen ultimate issue of the series and we haven't really been following this since the first couple of issues or at least I'll say I have And but with the end of the ultimate universe here again I thought it was worth checking in on it and oh boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of stuff go out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: this is a great hey you've got to head east guys go east uh yeah crazy battle here we got some sun versus father uh love the uh art and uh that kind cool giant black panther mac was uh cool I enjoyed this
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the art I really liked here it has such a distinct style, very clean, a fatally get to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the way that everyone, like this battle goes hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get a giant mechanical panther, you get vast turning a ton of people into also panther people, which I was like, this is taken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like literally pulling all the levers at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, like, the thing I said about this series just from the Gecko was it just feels so separate from the rest of it and not necessarily set, it doesn't, this story doesn't feel like it needs to be set in the ultimate universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd rather this just be on its own so that it could also keep going after the, like I feel like this will end in next issue as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: When it could just keep going and be this like big epic family and beyond drama that's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Transformers number 27 from skybound and image comics written by Robert Kirkman art by Dan Mora as usual a bunch of transformers stuff going out of this issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is very much a Autobots focused issue as they try to figure out what to do with some new members one of which
[SPEAKER_00]: used to be a Decepticon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-oh, and we're also jamming through this miles mayhem story real quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this would be more subterfugier, but by the end of this issue, he is out in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly intimate that he is starting the mask program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't I guess?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come and ask soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like that part is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's strange to me that Transformers and GI Joe is all building up to mask, a piece of IP that many, many, many fewer people know about.
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't see that way on this podcast, for instance.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a P9 said mask for all 19 years we've been on the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so that part's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of this book, though, I'm like, there's a lot of different Trent Jets talking to each other in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's so much just like chitter chat of like, hey, actually, would you mind running this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, how are you feeling over here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was recently resurrected.
[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Amy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it's time to be here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you come back to life, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather they're dealing with it, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now how does it work with becoming?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because in this issue, we have one of the jet guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: He becomes, goes from being a deception country and ought to buy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they use it as scraping things?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like getting a tattoo removed?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like do you get, like you have like that water where it just kind of like lifts it off gently or do you got to kind of like scrape that off or them?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would love to watch a TikTok of them just like power washing off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quick, the septicots are coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got a change logos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish that we saw that because that would have been cool because I had me thinking like Is the paint color of their bodies skin or did they shoot did they come out gray and they're like paint me mommy
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Optimus ever saved me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was so awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a T-shirt right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about paint jobs and Optimus Prime.
[SPEAKER_00]: How is another transformer allowed to be the same color as Optimus Prime?
[SPEAKER_02]: And be his friend and also be in charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a get out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, can you explain to me the guy who looks exactly like Optimus Prime?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he and we, all that, no, no, let me finish because I need you to clarify this.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene and I'm definitely paraphrasing here, he's like, Well, I guess I'll have to be Prime, and I was like, But is an Optimus Prime Prime?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's in his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, here's what's crazy because he's saying, No, he's saying, I guess you get to be the Magnus.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, guys, don't, please don't do another thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let him be proud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sir, is he Ultra Magnus and Autobus Prime is Prime?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or is Prime his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like being, my name is Corporal Justin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like prime is a kind of, uh, uh, you know, stature as far as the lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what's up with the other guy who's the other guy who's the other guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or does he just have the premise on prime subscription in the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like real optimist.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: First off, let me just get this out of the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool cover fucking soundwave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: razor-beek eject.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to say that like yeah Prime is a title and when Prime dies in the 80s animated Transformers the animated movie which is this is all kind of based on and you should see if you're reading this comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... you know he gives him the all spark and that guy who looks like him is supposed to kind of take over but then and unlike he guy uh... right them as to ends up taking over so it's like you know there's this people who kind of trained for these jobs but then it's uh... you know sometimes one over uh... uh... through different battles and stuff so uh... yeah it's kind of a level to get to uh... as far as uh...
[SPEAKER_03]: there kind of people are concerned.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I love this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's also kind of interesting because you don't get transformers kind of talking about their feelings or how they're kind of dealing with stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that it's kind of cool to hear them talking like, man, I just come up like, transform and sit down and sit down and let's talk because we've been through a lot and how we're processing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was really moving to hear these machines talk about like how majestic earth is and how kind of like interesting humans are.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was eating it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't talk unless you're holding the all spark when you're holding the all spark.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can talk and then pass it to the next person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank sure I can transform
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man, we all struggle with things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this is just a blast.
[SPEAKER_03]: And my childhood is having such a great time with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that they're also doing like mask is melting my brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot wait.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it would be such a cool crossover.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have so many more questions, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll save them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if I have to miss, was it a human?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would he transform into a flash car?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: And when he leaves, if you're human, you can't transform, bro, you know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: When you said, witty, licks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you mean, like, I thought that was going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, he's not alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not alive in robot form, but what he transforms into a flesh car.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, definitely alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if, like, if, like, if, if I, I don't know, listen to it, I, if you can't transform into things, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to confess about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to confess, I was driving the other day, and I thought about this for like a half hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he was trans, if he became a human somehow, in the same way they became in beast wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he transformed from a human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Into a human form, if he was human form in his body, it was like, I'm going to do the normal thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, which is trans, I'm going to do a truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would die, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like his bones would break and cry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's stranger things.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Vekna does this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're the expert.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand what you're asking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, would Optimus Prime die if he became a flashcard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you're asking?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my question.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you recommend?
[SPEAKER_03]: Can humans transform into cars?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, Justin, they can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if I try, I might break something.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're just robots that look vaguely.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sky's the robot in the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I had a lot of surgery, like I did it through a hospital and I had a lot of surgery to transform the hospital to a flashcard.
[SPEAKER_02]: would I die yes he would you can't be a car that I would be awesome if I rolled up Pete I finally you finally gave us your address and I rolled up to visit you in and I drove Alex a flesh car made of Alex I like the first run for my life I just want to mention my eyes are the headlights
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, definitely and you're fit your teeth of the grill just like the car cartoon Yep, yeah, what when they get the kids he was really touching anytime he got wet are they are the cars and cars?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they made out of flesh?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they flesh cars?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's also some less car broke flesh cars don't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but transformers do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we apologize to them?
[SPEAKER_00]: The amazing Spider-Man number 17 from Marvel, written by Joe Kelly, art by Pepe, LaRaz.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this issue, we're back with Space Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a little bit of a flirtation with an alien lady and a bunch of other things going down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lately leading to sadly the end of this era, it seems like because Spider-Man is heading home as we loop back to the Helgate story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Justin, I believe you were more excited about this one, so take it on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said this on a live show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have become this amazing Spider-Man title has superseded ultimate Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the one that I am more excited about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've just loved the way the chances that Joe Kelly has taken on
[SPEAKER_02]: this story in these wild swings i love Peter and space i love his relationship with this uh alien uh creature i guess i don't know i don't know well she's uh into a little bit now she said i would break you
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've been brought in by Nailia?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been told.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been this fool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't say it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And space.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got your heart broken in space.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's felt alien.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she basically turned me into a flesh car.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I loved every minute of it, no, but I this is the kind of like I want this these relationships for Peter Parker and this this is like just a good Super hero situational relationship that I hope they continue as it seems like at the end of this issue They are going back to earth keep it going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been enjoying this tap to bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's smart creative while keeping all the usual angsty Peter Parker themes in the book
[SPEAKER_02]: very fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Joe Kelly is a great writer.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the emotional story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pete tells us about Uncle Ben there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Big fan of the rice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fun rocket stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool last panel.
[SPEAKER_03]: flirting was like, man, mid, but amazing art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, are you saying his flirting was mid or are you just don't like the relationship?
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was fun because he was like, you know, like, hey, man, you know, let's talk about that kiss and she's like, ha, ha, you are puny human.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would break you.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if she was like, I'm space Mary Jane, would you like it better?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, well, no, because, you know, I don't want space Mary Jane.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want regulation, Mary Jane, regulation, regulation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with everything you said, Justin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to definitely obviously keep reading this going forward because it really would enjoy this run, but obviously I don't know what it went down behind the scenes or anything like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm really bummed out that we seem to be ending this space Earth Spider-Man story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really not to get to like Galaxy brain about this, but it really to me feels like it points to the amount of patients current audiences have with comic books.
[SPEAKER_00]: because you think and not to again like get like old baddie about it, but back of the day, you would get the sort of run going on for who knows how long, where you'd be like, I'm a space spider-batter, spider-batter, love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: 12 issues, 24 issues, who cares because we're on the title forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you got to go like five issues and wrap it up and that's all you can
[SPEAKER_00]: guaranteed to go for, and it's such a bummer because it really feels like both this and the earth story line we're just getting going.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love both of those status quo's.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you because I could watch this record read this for a lot longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that I think from a story perspective outside of the more attention span complaint that you're saying,
[SPEAKER_02]: is if this is all pinned on Helgate we have to do some more Helgate because that's like even in this issue they're like I'm friends with Helgain is like right what's his deal so like I think if if we're getting back to that it makes sense to get back to that it's totally and they have a crossover coming up with veterans so that also feels like the reason to get it back to earth so he's available for the crossover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a great battle so you can't like
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is kind of what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in the modern era of comics, you can't keep Peter Parker off earth for two years in comic post because you need him to appear in other crossovers and things which is a bit of a buffer for the storytelling because I feel like under the city ahead of Joe Kelly he could keep him in space.
[SPEAKER_00]: indefinitely, and it would continue to be a lot of fun and really flesh out these new characters that we just got to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as is, it's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll continue to be good, excited to follow it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next up, D.C. K.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wonder Woman vs. Lobo, number one from D.C. comics written by Joelle Jones, art by Jason Harrod, Carrie Nord, and Daniel Bayless is another all-fight monthbook.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give it us the bout of the title.
[SPEAKER_00]: Diana versus the main man and this is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is everything personally that I wanted out of all fight month.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is absolutely creative.
[SPEAKER_00]: We wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joel Joads is clearly having a blast writing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The art is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: The different art styles move effortlessly and we get just
[SPEAKER_00]: ludicrous swings that are so much fun with both logo, it all of his different iterations and diada and all of her iterations.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just a blast from the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: The new 52 logo, Sheila.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wow, did not see that coming, but it's well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get a sort of a winky shout out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the 52 line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes for him to get easily wrecked by Wonder Woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is
[SPEAKER_02]: the people that we've talked to there's a question that we got in the live show about like people seem to be a little there's a little gathering on happiness about this event but i don't know i think this issue pays off exactly what we want out of this event it's a blast it's meant to be fun it's great action across the board where these characters are getting to be badass both in their each own ways and i thought the payoff was good at the
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah this was i agree this was so much fun uh... love this cover uh... i laughed out loud at the squirtle implosion line i thought that was a hysterical they're having fun they were we were in on it uh... you know the new fifty two line that was like this hurts me a little bit but uh... i still think it was cool uh... yeah which level do you like better the space Wolverine one or the smaller space Wolverine one
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't appreciate what you're doing, but I like this logo that we see on the cover here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just think this is a blast, and this was such a fun balance of humor and action.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, the art was glorious.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, moving on to ultimate Wolverine number 12 from Marvel written by Chris Condon, art by Alessandro Capuchio.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this issue, Wolverine is dealing with the death of everybody that he was working with the resistance, and he is coming for the people who made him, as well as trying to free Phoenix, who we know, of course, is Jean Gray, but he doesn't know that
[SPEAKER_00]: this continuity.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that's very interesting, I think, about this issue and Justin I talked to Chris Condon about this a bit back in New York Comic Con.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was supposed to be the last issue of the title.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, they added four more issues for a very specific reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: that he starts to get into here, and that'll spit out through issues 13 through 16.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if this incident here, this is a, I thought, fantastic, incredibly satisfying conclusion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was a great ending issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, a beautiful moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got, you know, Jean-Grain Wolverine, walking off into the sunset together, hell.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, you're fucking kidding me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought we're going to say the beautiful moment was Wolverine killing cyclops.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was also a beautiful got me choked up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the action.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the art.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a really fun 12 issues and a cool exploration of a Wolverine.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't see, you know, he talks even less than the Wolverine.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know and love.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I had an absolute blast without 12 of these issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's hard in comics, is to do something that you can feel coming, like the Jean Grey reveal we get here, it's sort of like, yes, naturally, but the reveal the way it's past and shown visually really worked, I thought, to still get you a little, get your breath a little bit, and then the way that it emotionally played out where he's sort of like, he's there for revenge and there was a voice in his head, but he
[SPEAKER_02]: The twist of like it was actually comforting and to realize it's her and to realize that he is connected with her paying off so much of the Wolverine Jean Grey relationship that we've known for years and setting us up in a place where I was like, I can't wait to read a next issue where they're together doing who knows what, where they can actually have a relationship in it which we've never really seen played out before except for in the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, very like spin-offy or of age of apocalypse sort of scenarios where never was really able to be emotional.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that's so hard to pull off and I feel like they just nail it so hard in this book.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I will mention for everybody this isn't a spoiler because I don't know how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when we talked to Chris Condon, he mentioned,
[SPEAKER_00]: the story of the next four issues is going to be why does magic look exactly the way that she does in the main universe in the ultimate universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to get into that and I've been like since we talked to him a couple of months back I've been dying to know what that story is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So very yeah because that sounds fucked up.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds problematic for characters that I enjoyed I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: missed true style and the rise of man number one from dark horse comics written by Mike minula art by jesse a lot again this is the second series following miss true style who is a Victorian lady who is sent back in time to one of her ancestors who is a barbarian
[SPEAKER_00]: and tracing the history of the Hellboy universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will mention that we did a comic book club book club recently with our Patreon supporters Patreon.com slash comic book club where we talked about the new book drove by Jesse Lonergan.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking for it you can't find it unless you're a Patreon supporter.
[SPEAKER_02]: that's for them only so come join come join come join come yeah we had a lot of fun and we'll do another run next month so but if you want a taste of what some of the visuals that happen in drum you could buy this issue yeah because it has some real connection points to drum in the arts and story in the back half of this issue
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean this also has kind of like a circle of life kind of thing going on for sure Love the are in this love the kind of story story you can't can't trust the snake, man You know the snake starts talking you really can't trust the snake.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's a time Story we've learned time and time and time.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very judgmental because I haven't talked to some snakes and there I have good advice for me
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you shouldn't do it dude, you know, you should check out this thing called the Bible.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to get animated soon and Animated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really not illustrated animated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and You know, it's got the animated series.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, check out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a big friend of the Bible.
[SPEAKER_00]: They only did that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like with a bunch of shows and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: That.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Topia.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Veggie tails.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is literally what that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is literally what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, this is a gorgeous book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're talking about Jesse Lotterkins art is unlike anything else of the stands that I think it's worth checking out just for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's run to the other alone, the fertile Hulk number two from Marvel written by Philip Kenny Johnson, art by Nick Klein and Kev Walker.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a new devil Hulk who is walking the earth and in this issue he walks the seas which is not a thing you can do, but he tries to bond with a monster who lives under the sea with a more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, oh, did I take your line, Joe?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my line.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what's going on this issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we get another little bit on the twist of what's going on with Bruce Banner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Dave I guess is what we should call first off cool cover this this is insane I this is so crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is really kind of like the Hulk is you know out to kill us So it's weird that we're rooting against I this is a first time rooting against the Hulk So I don't like this but I love this comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just it's a weird feeling for me
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm supposed to be rooting for this David guy now, I don't know what to do, but this is a kind of like Hulk and all the monsters of the world versus an interesting, really cool concept that really is kind of taking the Hulk story up a notch.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I mean, Philip County Johnson is killing the game and this is really kind of turned up to 11 right now and I'm all for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, the the David banner I thought was a interesting turn at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know if you've heard this in the original Hulk series to TV series, he wasn't called Bruce Banner.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they were like the name Bruce is to gay, which I was like, well, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but Kay out I could note from who'd like whatever TV exec was like, yeah, I heard Bruce's game kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: He bruised like, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: That there's no way that's real people name David R&K, so yeah, I would argue it's just Tech that someone check the stats on
[SPEAKER_02]: But the this I really like this the first issue was amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this is a funny turn to have him go under to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a great scene where Namor is taking a call from Bucky Black Widow and Wolverine, which I was like, huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: just have it a little video chat and they're like, hey, watch out, hold right behind you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that is that that was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: New Avengers right now, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of what's going on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but yeah, it's it's still weird Marvel universe stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like yeah, they zoom each other all the time just now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like the goal here, the thing that I get from it is that
[SPEAKER_00]: The previous Hulk run was mostly self-contained.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was off on its own wandering through the backwards and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is taking it and moving it into the Marvel Universe proper and showing what's happening with this new infernal Hulk gets right in the middle of absolutely everything which is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very cool and big, I feel like we're getting, we're headed towards some Kaiju battleship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Soon I feel like so that's fun and it does feel so meticulously building
[SPEAKER_02]: which is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: A sorted crisis events number seven from image comics written by Dennis camp art by Ericsson Wadski the idea of this anthology series at the time is broken and this issue we got a guy who keeps having dead versions of himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Show up around him and he has increasing problems getting rid of his own dead body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like with a lot of this series, I think the metaphor here is seeing your death everywhere,
[SPEAKER_00]: everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was, this one did it hit me as hard as every single previous issue of this title did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Eric Zowodsky's art, but this one, I don't know, there was something about like the execution of the metaphor seemed a little lighter and sillier.
[SPEAKER_00]: to me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that felt like the intention here to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, so I still liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought for sure it was gonna make corpse flavor ice cream for a hot second in this, which I was like, that'll be wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the story is like, I just am endlessly impressed at the ways in which Dennis came to make this, very sort of pin-pointed premise
[SPEAKER_02]: time is broken and hear the different stories about that and find new ways to touch on different emotional residences and metaphors with our regular lives each issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one of my favorite books in the stance.
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah this is an impressive comic i i feel like it maybe this is over my had a little bit but uh... it's really kind of fucked up and artistic and interesting uh... the imagery is just really kind of next level this is really fucked up but impressive i thought this issue was great uh... but uh... yeah i'm very intrigued and interested to see what happens next uh...
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is cool comic span.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure is and can you can you hear it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you feel it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you hear it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you hear it coming?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a page.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about, this is the second name or, uh, the revelation is a pod us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the big details have become the X-Men, and so the age of revelation is upon us once again, where we talk about the blockbuster event for the X-Men side of the Marvel Universe, and it's taken them X years into the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Revelation and his coerceders are turning everybody into battles and how's that working out?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to find out with four new titles this week, starting with a breakable X-Men number three.
[SPEAKER_00]: from Marvel, written by Gelsimone, art by Marius and Tori with Luciana Vecchio, Tiago Palma, David Tinto, and RB Silva.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you about, would you hear that many artists are on a book?
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd know it's gonna be a bagger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, they had some kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jam says.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yours.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm being very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really like this because this series focused very squarely on the relationship between gamut and rogue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they tied this up really nicely, but I do think reading between the lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was some point that it came out that this event was supposed to be five months long, and then they were like, at its end to get three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that was an error with the five months thing, or something, or something did change, but definitely reading this week's books.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, these were wrapped up real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it started to feel to be like, there maybe was more planned than they've pulled it back on it, potentially.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the very least, these must have been four issues series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I feel like the three issues feels just so strange and every book across the board, I think, felt rushed at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in this one, I think there is, it starts to speed up a little bit in the last page or two, but again, keeping a focus on gabb if there's some really emotional stuff that happens with broken hair,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and guess what really knows how to write his inner emotional journeys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that worked out well nice nicely for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was mostly in terms of looking like, well, that's a lot of artists where definitely something happened to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think this works as well because Gail's mode keeps to the story areas that she is telling in the regular uncanny X-Men book.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like all these characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the Gambit Rogue relationship and sort of this chapter that we're in that she's telling in uncanny X-Men because it's really beautiful and sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we get the closest to a happy ending.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we've gotten out of maybe all of these revelation books here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to hear some real Gambit dialogue, I guarantee you will get it in this book.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Cajun on Cajun.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to have me a seafood boil if he keeps this up as he says on one of the pages.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, you know, I think we all ship a gamut and rogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is just a beautiful love story here.
[SPEAKER_03]: What a great kind of kiss moment we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, man, rogue clapping motherfuckers heads off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit, rogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's some, that's some, that's some work right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, uh, great to see name or again, you know, you don't see name or for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then like two books, bam, uh, back in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think about the beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was this was enjoyable and let me say just real quick on the all the artists I do think they did a pretty good job of making it it's is close to seamless as I can imagine when you have this many artists having to jump in Yes, yeah 100% agree on that like there's nothing against the artist.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way of looking at that and being like everything went real smooth.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was our plan for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is what they planned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sittester's six, number three from Marvel, written by David Marquez, art by La Ravello Lourero.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have been following a rag tag team put together by Mr. Sittester.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were confronted by Revelation in the last issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it all goes down here as havoc makes the ultimate sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Justin, I think you liked this series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's got a little messy like this is the one where I felt the compression maybe the most Because it felt like there was havoc had a very specific plan and then it just gets sort of squished I think in this and you don't really his plan seems sort of shitty the way it was spilled out here I like the reveal of who's in the the Symbenum Symbiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was going a different way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this worked
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, tragic, we see Revelation babble someone and I'm just like, I don't know, it's meant the idea of it is scary and interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way they've used it across this event has been sort of like babbled and it's sort of like the person's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like, what is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: What does this mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it happens to Phantom X and then she sort of just like, yeah, turns to dust randomly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, she just loses language, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just this event.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to happen in the finale.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that next week we're getting?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's at the end of the month.
[SPEAKER_00]: We still got a full month to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it just feels like it's been so scattershot that I don't know where how we're going to bring any number of these threats together.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're also getting a lot and I think this was last week as well of characters being like, Doug, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he'd be like, I'm a revelation and we still
[SPEAKER_00]: three months into this don't really know who revelation is or what he wants or anything like that other than what we've been told and that that makes it tough to not really have a central figure that I think we really understand very well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, plus in this issue, it's like, oh, yeah, revelations here, but really we should focus on Mr. Sinister, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But they don't even focus on Mr. Sinister that much, honestly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they go after, like, their plan is to kill him.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's no fun sinister stuff in this book.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a big zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Iron of Frost, number three for Marvel, right by Kevin Scott, art by Rary Coleman, Emma Frost has a whole where her heart should be, and she's been in diamond form ever since.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Tony Stark has become the Iron King because of the ex-virus, but don't worry, there's another AI Tony Stark who shows up to kind of save the day, which you guys think about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's do a J. T. Sizzle, Tom Czech here.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is his baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, excuse me, he's either getting showed up or dying in his yeah, I'm dying but I just think crying or dying I yeah, this is one of the JT's little ships here I just want to do a temp check how you feel and before you were read this and all things were revealed like how are you feeling walking into this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was cautiously optimistic with this through the first two issues
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the first half of this issue real wobbly on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it's just like not a lot of happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I actually really liked the final scene here where we get Tony and Emma set up as like Star Cross Lovers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That pays off my thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually really liked the little Coda, the one-page Coda we get at the end here that involves a little bit of time travel via technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this landed the plane in a wobbly way, but that still counts as a landing, just to add a launch pad of a quack from the TV show rat balls.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're really agein' ourselves in this one, man, but yeah, I agree, I got a little walkie part.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the kind of love story won out, which was great, um, the romcom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you gotta have it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And uh, yeah, I think they did a good job kind of setting it up and play with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It got a little weird for me, where it's like, uh, you know, the sudden roll button in the future or whatever that kind of thing was.
[SPEAKER_03]: But all right, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: And sorry, just to check, rat balls was the TV show where the rats transformed into flesh balls, is that correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were bouncing here and there and everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that's got me bears.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got me balls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always or was it three sharks what we're talking about what are we talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about long shots number three for Marvel written by Jonathan Ik bit of Jerry Duggin art by Alan Robinson in this series mojo
[SPEAKER_00]: has created a TV show featuring a bunch of all cell runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's down to Wonderman and Hellcat in this issue and they end up sacrificing themselves to save the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a terrible and ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was my favorite thing out of the event,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know, we'll see, maybe there'll be something else, but I don't think anything else is going to be in it at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ludicrous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: To the point that in this issue, Bojo was like, wow, this was the best thing in ancient revolution, which is very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, not all of the jokes worked, but there's such a metric ton of jokes here down to the bishop-time travel twist that is so stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to out loud out loud out loud out loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is, again, though, another one, where we ended last issue with long shot being like, all right, I've covered it to the title.
[SPEAKER_00]: They pick up this issue is like, I'm not doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which feels like there was one issue there where he got involved, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is, that's why like this issue felt like there had to do a lot of plot stuff and so it had to be less fun and joky.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's still a lot of jokes, but I definitely, this is, it's weird to be like this joke a minute satire felt like it was squished and needed another issue to pay off on what was set up, but I did feel that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I dig the dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jerry Duggen's comedy voice kind of really came out in this issue for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought Bishop was hilarious with the you guys weren't kidding about the password sharing line was fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: The internal doom scrolling thing was doom.
[SPEAKER_03]: The spider buggy with thumb and Louise Ballman.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is this is great art great times.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a ton of fun and they really did such a great job with this issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get a little sweet wonderman in Hellcats, stuff too, so it definitely hit some notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it sure sounds like we are going to be getting a wonderman series probably time to out to when the TV series is coming out though, maybe not because I don't think they're solicited yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to have wonderman in Hellcat at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So probably in classic big two comic book fashion, they'll release it a year later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess really smart and could cover on long shots.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would also say for sure and that's it for the age of revelation for the moment Let's move on talk about crownsville number two for both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right by Rodney Barnes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Art by Eliab Bonetti We had Rodney on the show this week the last show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have Pete.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: that was your job it's always your job I'd one your job is to ask the bulk of the questions while Justin and I sit there and I their point out their wall or just thank them for what they're doing with their follow up a lot of man says you guys are job is a lot better than mine
[SPEAKER_03]: This is powerful and amazing and this is what's great about comics I mean this is just moving panels heartbreaking true stories stuff that kind of wrecks your world and opens up your mind this is just what comics should be this is just the peak comics I can't say enough amazing things about this comic
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, talking to Rodney about it on the live show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked about the movement from the characters being like, this is a, this is a fucked up place with that story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Easy into being like, let's walk, let's see where these ghosts go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That happens in this issue and I was like, wow, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's something that I wouldn't think would have happened and I really went along with it because it's just really well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: but to highlight the art here is where I would like the art is just really nice and Alex you mentioned it on the live show as well about the wash on all of these panels just really is work it works it feels like this is paint peeling off the walls it feels like you're uncovering a dusty book about this horrible place and that's it's just a great great choice for the book
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just to mention, because I did mention the plot before, so this takes place in the real crownsville in anapolis, Maryland, that was the site of many atrocities back in the day before it was closed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Many people believe now it's haunted in this book a detective ends up going there and exploring the hauntings that are happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, very different sort of ghost story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next up, Nova Centurion, number two, from Marvel Written by Jed Bikai, art by Elvaro, Lopez and Mateo Delafonte.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this issue, Nova is hard on the track of ravenous, a guy that he went up against in the annihilation war.
[SPEAKER_00]: at the behest of the Cree scroll war, which is the name of the gang, not the Cree scroll war, the comic book event, and he's building a little team around him at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I said this for the first issue, but Jentbakede just really excels at down on their luck people doing capers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's just he's great at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know we've been kind of if he about some of the stuff that he's done on adventures and some of the stuff on X man and that feels like very serious takes and I don't want to pigeon to all somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the difference between that and Nova Centaurian, which I'm having a blast reading so far are just night and day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this reminds me of the black cat boat in that same way, and so that is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the genmicae that I've always been a fan of, so I really like this as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really love the Nova character, Richard Ryder, much like our Alex Albin, gives himself a clean shave to head out into the world and it changes his whole life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, cool cover.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was just a cool issue, love the action, easy to follow what's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a blast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're absolutely right, but I love easy to follow, as... Well, sometimes the comics, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Shit is just, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it connected, that's, it doesn't fuck around, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a maze of that, I mean, we just complained about imperial being the last cosmic event that the spot out of being overly complicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that you're right, this does introduce a ton of concepts, but you don't need to read a dilation war, you don't dilation, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: or know who ravices to really enjoy this is a testament to how Jen McKay lays it all out.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Geiger, number 19 from Ghost Machine at Image Comics, written by Jeff Johns, Art by Gary Frank, in this issue, we are following Ash Hardin, the glowing woman, as she saves a bunch of people in the waste lad.
[SPEAKER_00]: meeting a surprising character by the end of the usual.
[SPEAKER_01]: What just happened to you, sir?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to surprise a character by the end of the issue, but I do not want to say who it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but it's a character from the world of the end of the universe who bites talk like this in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a fact.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've read a lot of his issues and have been really impressed by his work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's readcured.
[SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: First point, eventually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, cool cover.
[SPEAKER_03]: This continues to rock.
[SPEAKER_03]: We get to kind of glowing ladies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Perspective on things.
[SPEAKER_03]: We get to ride with her a little bit as she helps kids, kills monsters.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is great art, awesome action.
[SPEAKER_03]: This continues to be good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, and she has a mama where she was like, oh, yeah, there's like a dude like me.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are all he's doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is like, um, very much a punish or issue of the punish or war like a, um, one-piece bathing suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Essentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: A glitchy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: A glitchy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she should.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The skull was still right on the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did back in the swimsuit special, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he wore that skull, that weird belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I like this, I, the red co-reveal at the end, he seems mean, and I was like, I like nice red coat, I don't know, I'm curious if he's going to have different colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel very curious because they're clearly heading towards a big confrontation between all these characters, presumably around like issue 25 of something or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: But other than these characters beating, it doesn't feel like plot lies, it's heading towards something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, I guess we'll find that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, having a junkyard Joe in this comic hasn't really been a big thing, he's just sort of around.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what the big crossover is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing I wanted to say is like, what's the deal with glowing woman in glowing man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it going to be like a romance?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they just bugs?
[SPEAKER_02]: How's this work?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know, in a nuclear, popular, complex future, it's, uh, you know, kind of love happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just to reak the glowing man, I don't know if they dealt into this is all in the book, does he have any sort of like issues with like a life or something that might be holding him back from some sort of romance?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in the first, the lead-up to Geiger, we saw his wife die, like, I want to say, well, 100 times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think there's a hang-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's one of that as much as the Punisher's wife died.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's been a much longer timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I could see them kissing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see a kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just say like, Pete, if you were out there and you were like, I'm Pete, man,
[SPEAKER_02]: Once you sort of be like, I'm gonna give it a shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, you can't judge on names alone, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of what happens outside inside the heart, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: She glows in the same way you glow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that doesn't mean, you know, that you guys are destined to be together just because you She's covered, she has garbage plate, like dripping down her front, just like you just covered in garbage plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you get me turned on, stop it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's wrap it up with Marvel that she could hold you into a flesh car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's finish it up with Marvel that's the Punisher number three from Marvel by Jimmy Pabbiati art by Dan Podosi and this takes place in the future set world of the world to come where Punisher has gotten brainwashed and turned into El Zambi in assassin working for a mob boss and in this issue he gets broken out in the most horrible way possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pete, I know you've been a little iffy about this series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you feeling any differently about this issue?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this was really hard, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was like first off, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to see zombie punishers kind of like this mind this could think they pinch his cheeks which is just such a thing that I didn't know would drive me insane and tell him like oh man you're just pulling with him you know it's one thing to make somebody like he kills somebody but then the pinches cheeks like that is just such a that's how I shake hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really messed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That you did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think you should do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a horrible thing to do somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it didn't make your cheeks all nice and rosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What he went like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: See, I'm going for a stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, then he tries to take his home life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm like, oh, that's why they did the suicide hotline advertising in the beginning of the comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's like, well, since that didn't work, I guess I'll kill everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Oh, did we need that in between states, because Punisher's known for revenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like maybe he didn't have to kill himself to get there, but I'm not writing comics.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I want to enjoy this and I'm working really hard to try to enjoy it, but it feels like every time I try to get somewhere the comics like Fuck you man, we're doing more fucked up shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know can you you you've already been reached out to once by Jimmy Palmyad Yeah, I'm gonna punish you in the last couple weeks and I feel awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to let anybody down I want to come here reviewing things
[SPEAKER_00]: impartially on our comic book show we will not be swayed by people dropping into our comics Jimmy Pamiati for example.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you Yeah, and let me say it seems like it was swayed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like we're sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, that was like that was completely impartially related Pete Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love your work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me say, and honestly, and it's going to sound like pandering, I really do like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is really great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I'm the number one Punisher fan of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I guess so.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I can't wait to take the poster quiz and I'm going to send you the throne, the party of the shrine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is now going to be really struck me with this because we've had innumerable conversations over the years about the Punisher and how like I'm always kind of if you about Punisher but there have been some fantastic runs on Punisher is I like the runs that deconstructed in some way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the ones yes like Pete are the ones where he is the Punisher and he's pushing through with being the Punisher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the ones that break him down and break him apart so that he could come back because
[SPEAKER_00]: seeing the frankly, yes, I thought the scene where he tries to die by suicide, but where he realizes like, I killed children, I killed him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no choice, I have to kill myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: to then turn around to be like, you know what, fine, I'm gonna kill all of these motherfuckers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's very satisfying at the end there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And adding in dead panosians, horrific half his face gone design is very cool as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dampenosing art is excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, like taking Punisher and putting him through hell are my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's what Garth Ennis did to the Punisher.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like it was about like giving him justification for.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, being such a killer and still being a quote unquote hero or at least protagonist of the story and I think you have to do that to justify whatever he's about to do whatever horrifying things about to do the next issue and I think they did a good job of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that we are two characters of these spies that don't really know each other and all that like I think that's that's actually fun It's a nice tonal shift from just pure horrifying violence That we get in this issue Setting up for the absolute bloodbath that is going to happen next issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: So You know hearing you guys talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah because I
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh my god, this is insane, but it is this kind of moment of like, he became the Punisher to stop the killing of innocent families and children.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that he kind of woke up and was told, hey, you've been a zombie and you've killed family, like the fact that it had such a toll on him, like, makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just kind of in,
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of shock of all the craziness that was going down, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that where he is is like really bad at some cool and I can't wait to see what happens next.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I was just kind of in a little bit of like holy shit, what is it all going down, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and like I feel like you look at the Punisher like a son like you're the father and you're son and so like you The other way around, but all right cool, yeah, you know what I mean, and they say that if the Punisher is your dad That's a bad position to be a kid
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know what happens to his kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's one mob situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's remember that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love techniques.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you guys talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it weird that Punisher doesn't chain dare devil to a picnic?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like you're one bad picnic away from being me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like much more specific and make a lot more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he should really actually want Daredevil to get married and have children.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be pushing him through that to really show him what it's like to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: That take a lot of pic deck and then kill them and be like, now you see.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing I did was like, oh, I was killed now.
[SPEAKER_03]: That you guys comment the art and the kind of like last couple of panels are really badass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could just be careful peat because they say that every every man has one punishers sperm.
[SPEAKER_02]: out there and you just got to be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every man has one, is that what you're saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most of them are turtle and rat sperm, but there's one punishers sperm in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you'd be careful real wildcard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's it for the statute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I'll come call my flash uber with my flash Carl come take me to my My flash party
[SPEAKER_04]: They sit on crap, they've got tears and they let the sick on me And he's just nothing, they're like fast, they're so disgusting So grab your ring, hammer, don't relate, for ain't no fair