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Rodriguez and Ron Funches to talk about season three of Loot on Apple TV plus. 01:38.051 --> 01:42.359 [SPEAKER_03]: That's an example of what you get when you subscribe to the Kyle Meredith with podcast. 01:42.379 --> 01:45.144 [SPEAKER_03]: That's me, Kyle Meredith today talking with Audrey Nuna. 01:45.624 --> 01:48.309 [SPEAKER_03]: Audrey, you've been hearing your music over the past few years. 01:48.389 --> 01:52.557 [SPEAKER_03]: She just released her sophomore record trench last year. 01:52.537 --> 02:07.471 [SPEAKER_03]: and then she was out and about on a U.S. and then international tour when a little project that she had recorded some songs for started to blow up worldwide and became the biggest thing of this entire year. 02:07.832 --> 02:11.220 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I'm talking about K-pop demon hunters. 02:11.200 --> 02:18.668 [SPEAKER_03]: with Audrey doing the music voicing of Mira from the Netflix film. 02:19.368 --> 02:22.291 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to dig in to how the film changed her career. 02:22.532 --> 02:36.786 [SPEAKER_03]: Seriously, overnight, we're here about the surprise of watching a Korean American project Go Worldwide and why recording for her character in Hendrix has helped her reconnect with the raw human side of music. 02:36.766 --> 02:54.047 [SPEAKER_03]: Audrey also teases her next album, one focused on imperfection, restraint, real emotion, and she'll open up and have fun with me about simulation theory, creative evolution, and whether or not she's independent still as she had planned on, I think, snots. 02:54.067 --> 02:55.148 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's jump into it. 02:55.168 --> 02:58.252 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk trench, but we're also talking K-pop demon hunters. 02:58.913 --> 03:00.815 [SPEAKER_03]: It's Kyle Manith with Audrey Nuna. 03:01.496 --> 03:01.756 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, hello. 03:02.157 --> 03:02.658 [SPEAKER_03]: How you doing? 03:03.058 --> 03:03.779 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. 03:03.799 --> 03:05.541 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of hungry, but I'm good. 03:05.673 --> 03:07.135 [SPEAKER_03]: I like the actual detail of that. 03:07.175 --> 03:10.039 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd really do appreciate that that was more than the usual just I'm good. 03:10.719 --> 03:11.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how are you? 03:12.101 --> 03:14.244 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm well, I'm recently fed. 03:14.344 --> 03:16.967 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not in the same boat as you, I am. 03:16.987 --> 03:18.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, making me jealous. 03:18.950 --> 03:20.952 [SPEAKER_03]: It's had left over chilly. 03:21.052 --> 03:23.375 [SPEAKER_03]: It was very cool. 03:23.395 --> 03:27.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually the leftovers is better than the regular because it's 03:27.020 --> 03:29.482 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like marinate. 03:29.622 --> 03:30.543 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree. 03:31.064 --> 03:31.404 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 03:31.444 --> 03:33.366 [SPEAKER_03]: I apologize about your hunger right now. 03:33.406 --> 03:38.910 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope this day is, uh, and all the promo is, uh, not going to destroy your chance to eat. 03:39.271 --> 03:41.853 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I really appreciate that sympathy. 03:42.213 --> 03:44.575 [SPEAKER_03]: It's what I'm here for minutes of sympathy. 03:45.856 --> 03:52.602 [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations on an incredible year and being able to watch you do all this stuff. 03:52.622 --> 03:55.845 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, so right, you release trench 03:56.045 --> 03:58.849 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're out promoting it, and by the way, fantastic record. 03:59.150 --> 03:59.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 04:00.892 --> 04:01.813 [SPEAKER_03]: You go out promoting it. 04:01.833 --> 04:05.258 [SPEAKER_03]: You do your first what headlining American tour. 04:05.319 --> 04:11.207 [SPEAKER_03]: You do an international tour, and then a little movie takes over with K-pop Demon Hunters. 04:11.508 --> 04:11.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:12.309 --> 04:13.851 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a crazy story, right? 04:14.152 --> 04:14.733 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 04:14.994 --> 04:16.657 [SPEAKER_01]: This has been the craziest year of my life. 04:16.917 --> 04:20.023 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, I'm just like, who wrote this script? 04:20.223 --> 04:21.586 [SPEAKER_01]: This is insane. 04:22.347 --> 04:23.349 [SPEAKER_01]: This is insane. 04:24.872 --> 04:35.451 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I remember the song had gone number one on global 200, the last day of my trench international tour and that just felt like very, 04:35.431 --> 04:49.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, like just the fact that it was on the same day and everything has felt like really surprising but at the same time very weirdly like predestined and I'm just really enjoying the ride. 04:49.437 --> 04:50.539 [SPEAKER_03]: So what does that mean for trench? 04:50.559 --> 04:51.981 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean is your mind still there? 04:52.142 --> 04:57.912 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you still technically promoting that or does this give you means to move on? 04:58.094 --> 05:07.262 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be promoting trench forever, honestly, like at any album that I make, I would love to continue sharing it and promoting it and getting people to hear it. 05:08.163 --> 05:13.568 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I'm doing some like a festival performance at the end of the year that's kind of still centered on trench. 05:13.968 --> 05:27.240 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that this experience is definitely given like my life very new color palette in the last, you know, months, and I will say I'm very just re-energized with a lot of 05:27.220 --> 05:34.270 [SPEAKER_01]: which is ideas for new music, working on the next album, really inspired, feeling creative. 05:34.951 --> 05:45.727 [SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely think, you know, I'm evolving and changing every single day, but you know, all the projects I've done have will always, I think, be a part of the ecosystem. 05:46.268 --> 05:53.138 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't, you know, like, I should back up, so, so with with K-pop demon hunters, like, like, how did you get the gig? 05:53.799 --> 05:55.962 [SPEAKER_03]: What part of the timeline does this come in? 05:56.195 --> 06:07.861 [SPEAKER_01]: I got the gig probably around May or June of like a year before, I think a year before the project came out. 06:08.422 --> 06:14.035 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously it was serendipitous, you know, I did an audition. 06:14.437 --> 06:22.264 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of was just asked to do it, and apparently looking back now, I realized that there was people who recommended me for this project, E.J. 06:22.324 --> 06:30.692 [SPEAKER_01]: included who I've known since, you know, I was acquainted with when I was 15 years old, and she kind of had followed my career, I think, over the internet. 06:31.173 --> 06:40.101 [SPEAKER_01]: And then this guy, Danny Chung, who also voices Baby Saja, who has known me since I was 20, and was a friend of a friend of a friend of my first manager. 06:40.161 --> 06:44.005 [SPEAKER_01]: So just these 06:44.390 --> 06:54.725 [SPEAKER_01]: seemingly peripheral connections that I guess are just like rumbling under the surface and and then they just asked me to do the movie and I was like, sure. 06:55.246 --> 06:55.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds fun. 06:56.107 --> 06:56.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm down. 06:57.149 --> 07:00.674 [SPEAKER_03]: But there's like no guarantee that anything's going to happen from that, right? 07:00.894 --> 07:04.980 [SPEAKER_03]: Like was there an inkling of the scope that this could get to from the beginnings? 07:05.501 --> 07:07.123 [SPEAKER_03]: I know there's always hope, sure. 07:07.188 --> 07:12.961 [SPEAKER_01]: No, honestly for me, it was just really genuinely on some like, I like animation. 07:12.981 --> 07:14.825 [SPEAKER_01]: I love what this movie stands for. 07:14.845 --> 07:16.849 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that it's a Korean cast. 07:16.909 --> 07:18.633 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that it's a Korean director. 07:18.673 --> 07:20.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm super down to be a part of it. 07:21.099 --> 07:24.546 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was really it, you know, it's like the most earnest thing. 07:24.566 --> 07:27.272 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why this story is so funny. 07:27.252 --> 07:30.296 [SPEAKER_03]: that it's haven't like right because you can't like I guess that's it. 07:30.376 --> 07:35.502 [SPEAKER_03]: You hear people say that you can't predict these things, you know, we all have to be eaten. 07:35.522 --> 07:37.084 [SPEAKER_03]: You hope it takes off, but you don't know. 07:37.544 --> 07:39.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was going to do well. 07:39.346 --> 07:50.239 [SPEAKER_01]: I really thought I was like, wow, so many, like cool creative people are going to love this movie, but to think like, oh no, like, 07:50.422 --> 08:01.967 [SPEAKER_01]: families in India and, you know, grandma's and Czechoslovakia are going to know this film is like, oh, okay, that's different than I expected. 08:02.420 --> 08:18.197 [SPEAKER_03]: Because when it's always easier in hindsight to look back on, because K-pop breaks out of just that section of the world, like certain parts of America starts embracing it, you can go, I mean, Jesus, I'm in the middle of Kentucky. 08:18.637 --> 08:20.019 [SPEAKER_03]: Jack Carlos town, I'm in Louisville. 08:20.319 --> 08:24.043 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the city, a whole town of Jack, Harlow. 08:24.523 --> 08:25.624 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a song together. 08:25.685 --> 08:29.929 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know Jack, I can't say, I know I'm knowing, 08:29.909 --> 08:31.251 [SPEAKER_03]: I was one of his first interviews. 08:31.291 --> 08:39.285 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say that's, but like even here in the middle of Kentucky, if a K-pop band comes down, you know it's a line around the block or something like that. 08:39.325 --> 08:51.225 [SPEAKER_03]: So you start seeing that, but just that, you know, that world, Korean arts starts making it past the niche groups and suddenly it's mainstream. 08:51.340 --> 08:52.923 [SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm. 08:52.943 --> 09:00.515 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know what you can say, but I don't know what this is say about that, but but watching it over the last few years do that has been really interesting to see. 09:01.356 --> 09:15.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're right that in hindsight it's like so easy to kind of be like, oh that makes sense because I went to a big bank concert when I was like 12 and I fainted because that was sold out at potential center, you know, on like a Sunday night. 09:16.180 --> 09:20.468 [SPEAKER_01]: And now thinking about that was 10 plus years ago. 09:20.528 --> 09:24.515 [SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of makes sense that we've reached this boiling point. 09:24.936 --> 09:40.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't know that I would be a part of, because I'm Korean-American and as much as K-pop has been so formative to me and who I am, at the same time, I'm also an alternative R&B alternative hip-hop. 09:41.307 --> 09:45.776 [SPEAKER_01]: pop artists and I was just like I'm so down to be a part of this. 09:46.998 --> 09:54.473 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the catch is that like just the way that it's happened, you know, because this project is such a hybrid, I think of culture. 09:54.934 --> 09:58.962 [SPEAKER_01]: It is obviously K-pop, but it's also at its core very, 09:58.942 --> 10:01.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Korean-American, Korean-Canadian. 10:01.087 --> 10:07.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the hybrid is really the true evolution of it that kind of pushed it over the edge. 10:08.445 --> 10:10.530 [SPEAKER_03]: When everybody can see themselves in it, that's when you win. 10:10.550 --> 10:11.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 10:11.513 --> 10:13.778 [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll be right back right for this. 10:14.247 --> 10:16.730 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Meredith with Audrey Nuna. 10:17.391 --> 10:25.139 [SPEAKER_03]: What does it mean for the songs to now be a part of your world like these aren't songs that you created in your bedroom? 10:25.400 --> 10:27.202 [SPEAKER_03]: These are songs for this whole project. 10:27.422 --> 10:31.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Does that give you a different relationship with them than some of your own? 10:32.148 --> 10:38.875 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is a slightly different relationship just because I, for my project, I'm really involved on all levels. 10:38.895 --> 10:41.318 [SPEAKER_01]: I write all my songs. 10:41.753 --> 10:57.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, are involved in production choices and videos and creative direction and mixed choices and like I think it's really interesting and beautiful new type of relationship to have with songs where you truly are the recording artists. 10:58.195 --> 11:02.040 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you just your only job was to deliver the character. 11:02.020 --> 11:03.484 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not even fun. 11:03.545 --> 11:07.697 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm embracing it because I think that there's something really nostalgic about that too. 11:07.717 --> 11:14.157 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of just, you know, delivering the lines and being the best at delivering the lines. 11:14.626 --> 11:20.272 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of really reinvigorating, reinvigorated in my relationship, recording as well. 11:22.995 --> 11:37.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Just this idea that, you know, I think sometimes when you're involved in so many different things in your hands or in so many different parts of the process, you kind of can lose side of the fact that like recording is an art in itself. 11:37.870 --> 11:39.992 [SPEAKER_01]: I think also in the age of just like, 11:39.972 --> 12:05.828 [SPEAKER_01]: um, hyper-nonchalance and like also a lot of auto tune and a lot of like aesthetic based music you forget that at the end of the day like your job is to bring humanness to songs and I think that's like a really powerful humbling thought it's just like yeah on this one your job is to just like bring a character to life it was like almost taking the ego out of everything for me 12:06.432 --> 12:09.416 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was like much needed for me. 12:09.816 --> 12:10.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Where was in my life? 12:11.438 --> 12:12.599 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I needed. 12:13.140 --> 12:13.661 [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting. 12:13.701 --> 12:17.866 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I've noticed, I guess I've noticed that about you talking about the humanists. 12:17.926 --> 12:19.247 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm getting at, you know? 12:19.568 --> 12:26.896 [SPEAKER_03]: And as you're saying this, this time, when it can be very easy for things made by real people do not sound like they're made by real people. 12:27.557 --> 12:30.921 [SPEAKER_03]: Even on the upper thing, 12:31.154 --> 12:33.037 [SPEAKER_03]: But Taylor released her new record with the showgirl. 12:33.277 --> 12:36.201 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I noticed that so much that music felt like real music again. 12:36.241 --> 12:38.444 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's not, it's all real music. 12:38.464 --> 12:39.125 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a horrible thing. 12:40.827 --> 12:43.531 [SPEAKER_03]: But it felt very human in the way that even she had before. 12:43.571 --> 12:45.554 [SPEAKER_03]: The new Florence and the machine record is coming out. 12:45.594 --> 12:49.699 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's, there's so much like the tempos are slightly off every now. 12:49.779 --> 12:51.762 [SPEAKER_03]: And then you know, it's not perfect. 12:51.809 --> 12:55.672 [SPEAKER_03]: And I find that that starts to feel rights. 12:56.273 --> 12:58.535 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, not that I can't enjoy everything else, too. 12:58.575 --> 12:59.316 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not what I'm saying. 12:59.336 --> 13:01.798 [SPEAKER_03]: But there is something extra about that, I guess. 13:02.278 --> 13:02.999 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm agreeing with you. 13:03.539 --> 13:04.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're so numb. 13:04.821 --> 13:08.984 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're just thinking about where we are in human evolution. 13:09.064 --> 13:15.891 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the age of AI, I think we're all questioning, like, what is real and what is humanity? 13:15.951 --> 13:19.774 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that whether we know it consciously or not, we're all, like, 13:19.957 --> 13:21.780 [SPEAKER_01]: It's beyond itching. 13:21.980 --> 13:23.102 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not itching. 13:23.242 --> 13:32.077 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're all thirsting, craving, dying for some sense of like, I'm a human, you're a human. 13:32.398 --> 13:33.499 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're humans. 13:34.100 --> 13:35.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great we're humans. 13:35.242 --> 13:38.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think we're all craving that whether we realize it or not. 13:39.059 --> 13:54.604 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's something so earnest about even golden, you know, it's a song about reaching for something to song about trying and like we're so as people were like so over trying and shit and like I just feel like it we just it just taps into something very human. 13:54.803 --> 14:06.035 [SPEAKER_03]: But as an artist though, when you're creating on your own, when you're doing an album, like because of the tools that we're talking about that are available to us now, it's so easy to want to fix imperfections. 14:06.516 --> 14:08.678 [SPEAKER_03]: And then those imperfections are instantly gone. 14:09.899 --> 14:12.222 [SPEAKER_03]: And everything has become very perfect. 14:12.302 --> 14:13.143 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything is on to be. 14:13.323 --> 14:17.908 [SPEAKER_03]: Every note is perfect when they come out of a voice. 14:17.888 --> 14:23.236 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know for you and what you got going for, but like, how do you find the balance? 14:23.536 --> 14:27.542 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you restrain from making everything just a little bit too perfect? 14:27.802 --> 14:40.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this is something that really is honestly very central to this next project that I'm currently working on is it is asking that question of like, 14:40.400 --> 14:42.323 [SPEAKER_01]: what makes something human. 14:42.343 --> 14:47.471 [SPEAKER_01]: And with that being said, for me, it's been really interesting. 14:47.491 --> 14:53.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I love this word restraint because for me, it's been really interesting to strip back tools. 14:54.341 --> 15:01.793 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I'm really inspired by like, um, data rams who's like a really cool industrial designer from the 70s. 15:01.853 --> 15:04.036 [SPEAKER_01]: And he has these like designed philosophies. 15:04.116 --> 15:07.842 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this idea of less is more 15:08.075 --> 15:33.087 [SPEAKER_01]: In a sense, I think I've really gravitated towards that less tools, like less something that I've been kind of thinking about is, I want to hear my actual voice more, you know, this last, as much as I love my sophomore project and it really, really depicts what I was going through at the time, I think there was this feeling of kind of, um, 15:33.691 --> 16:00.559 [SPEAKER_01]: had like this glaze over everything that made it feel a bit robotic and it was it was a part of the concept, you know, but I think now I'm on a very opposite tip, which is like I almost want to just like crack on this, you know, I want to like like you said, be off tempo for a second, do a song without a click, you know, with a just just things like this, that that feel very right, but wrong. 16:00.826 --> 16:25.905 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean when you look listen to classic songs of course they didn't have a choice you know you've got so much studio time and we're running real tape here and it costs a lot of money But like some of the greatest moments like when you say crack my I immediately thought of the rolling stones on give me shelter Because Mary Clayton's in the background is the background singer and she goes for that really high thing their voice is shreds You know any other time nowadays you'd probably fix that and think goodness they didn't you know 16:25.885 --> 16:27.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I think that's what it is. 16:27.750 --> 16:31.479 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, not to really everything back to this film, but that's what the film is about. 16:31.519 --> 16:33.303 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's about showing your imperfections. 16:33.424 --> 16:39.378 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we all really want to see each other's ugly sides, whether we realize it or not. 16:40.160 --> 16:42.105 [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll be right back right for this. 16:42.406 --> 16:44.889 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Meredith with Audrey Nuna. 16:45.409 --> 16:53.158 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do want to properly, I know I've already said, like Trinch is a great record too, because even thinking about some of these songs, like Dan Stan's dance and pajamas. 16:53.178 --> 17:04.111 [SPEAKER_03]: And I love it, you did with mine, because I was a teen of the 90s and interpolating brandy and Monica there, which don't think on a tour, like what timing for that by the way? 17:04.412 --> 17:07.435 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the two of them playing together again. 17:07.583 --> 17:08.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's crazy. 17:08.945 --> 17:12.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the way we're definitely living a simulation. 17:15.153 --> 17:16.114 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything's just lining up. 17:16.134 --> 17:16.735 [SPEAKER_03]: But a weird way. 17:16.755 --> 17:17.256 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 17:17.636 --> 17:18.677 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you believe in simulation? 17:19.258 --> 17:20.219 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fun to joke about. 17:20.260 --> 17:22.863 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, honestly. 17:22.883 --> 17:25.406 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's also weird. 17:25.847 --> 17:26.728 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 17:27.229 --> 17:28.891 [SPEAKER_01]: I think life is a mystery. 17:28.951 --> 17:31.414 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really weird what we're doing here. 17:32.103 --> 17:34.686 [SPEAKER_01]: And as I look at my hands and I'm like, what is this? 17:36.328 --> 17:42.236 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I believe in simulation in some way, you know, I believe in a lot of different things. 17:42.697 --> 17:43.037 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. 17:43.077 --> 17:44.599 [SPEAKER_03]: It's an interesting thing to roll around. 17:44.659 --> 17:46.221 [SPEAKER_03]: And there are a few, yeah. 17:46.882 --> 17:47.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:47.142 --> 17:47.563 [SPEAKER_03]: Get out there. 17:47.803 --> 17:51.588 [SPEAKER_03]: But a hard left turn on simulation theory. 17:54.372 --> 17:56.795 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always kind of talk about simulation theory. 17:56.855 --> 17:57.756 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that. 17:57.871 --> 18:16.657 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it still fits into what you're talking about, too, just as you say in the concept of where your head's at, with this next album, and how you approach the song writing in that, and even thinking about your history, and what I've read about, there's the one part where you went to the club Davis Institute at NYU. 18:17.138 --> 18:19.582 [SPEAKER_03]: Because in my head, I'm like, what do they teach you? 18:19.622 --> 18:21.164 [SPEAKER_03]: Are they teach you how to write a song? 18:21.564 --> 18:24.148 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, how do you learn to write a song? 18:24.837 --> 18:31.648 [SPEAKER_03]: Like what do you get and how often does learning get then in the way of creation? 18:32.809 --> 18:33.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, it's a cool question. 18:34.172 --> 18:44.568 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually only went to Clive for one year, but I can definitely speak on the year that I was there because genuinely I left school because I was like, this is just so expensive. 18:44.668 --> 18:45.890 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't afford this anymore. 18:46.311 --> 18:49.676 [SPEAKER_01]: But um, but I do think it's a great program. 18:49.736 --> 18:52.380 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what they are great at is really, 18:52.985 --> 19:10.808 [SPEAKER_01]: giving you tools, but also at the same time kind of, I think they're really great at like melting off layers, you know, I think a lot of art schools and music schools sometimes they try to like you said teach you something and I don't think that's the point of art school, I think the point of 19:11.294 --> 19:19.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Any sort of like creative education is to like unlearn and melt layers off versus like become this thing you're supposed to become. 19:19.428 --> 19:24.157 [SPEAKER_01]: So I like loved that program for that reason. 19:24.197 --> 19:32.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt they did a great job of just kind of like well, what if you took this layer off and this layer off, you know, and I personally really loved my time there. 19:32.952 --> 19:34.956 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're doing such a great job. 19:35.071 --> 19:36.072 [SPEAKER_03]: tools for the tool belt. 19:36.813 --> 19:39.177 [SPEAKER_03]: If you use it right, exactly. 19:39.437 --> 19:40.319 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what you get. 19:40.999 --> 19:41.260 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 19:41.660 --> 19:43.223 [SPEAKER_01]: I just high quality tools. 19:43.323 --> 19:46.167 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean that many just needs like a few good ones. 19:46.788 --> 19:50.433 [SPEAKER_03]: A very expensive one-year-built tool. 19:50.733 --> 19:51.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 19:52.196 --> 19:53.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Very exciting. 19:53.097 --> 19:56.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like number one of the things school in this country is way too expensive. 19:56.762 --> 19:58.244 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a thing. 19:58.705 --> 20:02.310 [SPEAKER_03]: My son is about to go to college. 20:02.543 --> 20:03.645 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. 20:04.646 --> 20:05.127 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe. 20:05.167 --> 20:06.609 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing. 20:08.112 --> 20:09.053 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the thing. 20:09.093 --> 20:09.775 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, what are you? 20:10.696 --> 20:11.978 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a product of college. 20:12.258 --> 20:13.220 [SPEAKER_03]: I got very lucky. 20:13.260 --> 20:16.625 [SPEAKER_03]: I was obsessed with radio and I've been in radio now for, you know, a very long time. 20:16.666 --> 20:23.877 [SPEAKER_03]: And, and, and, but so it's easy for me to say, not everybody needs college. 20:24.498 --> 20:25.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no. 20:25.282 --> 20:26.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Not everyone needs college. 20:27.231 --> 20:32.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I never, ever, like when I see these kids, I almost want to just be like, you know? 20:33.391 --> 20:37.856 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to stay in the school, but you can't tell him that, right? 20:38.377 --> 20:40.119 [SPEAKER_01]: It's your journey, it's your journey. 20:40.780 --> 20:43.023 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, you know, they deserve the truth. 20:43.563 --> 20:44.164 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 20:44.184 --> 20:46.367 [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I've told him I support him in every decision. 20:46.407 --> 20:47.528 [SPEAKER_03]: If he wants to go, we'll figure it out. 20:47.548 --> 20:49.010 [SPEAKER_03]: And if he doesn't, then we'll figure that out. 20:49.030 --> 20:51.914 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so it's the journey. 20:51.974 --> 20:54.897 [SPEAKER_01]: And you got out to the parents, putting their kids through school, man. 20:54.917 --> 20:57.981 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are incredible, so much. 20:58.703 --> 20:59.364 [SPEAKER_03]: it's a thing. 20:59.965 --> 21:04.070 [SPEAKER_03]: So somewhat, similarly though, I mean, you're an independent artist right now, right? 21:05.152 --> 21:08.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I. Yeah. 21:08.516 --> 21:08.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 21:08.637 --> 21:08.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 21:08.757 --> 21:08.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 21:09.298 --> 21:09.718 [SPEAKER_03]: I get it. 21:11.220 --> 21:12.522 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's a dangerous question. 21:12.682 --> 21:14.905 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things are changing my life. 21:15.346 --> 21:16.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but. 21:17.620 --> 21:19.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of things are changing. 21:19.543 --> 21:21.366 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not surprised in there now. 21:21.386 --> 21:23.509 [SPEAKER_01]: The mandatory state of my life. 21:23.890 --> 21:26.193 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not surprised given the success of all this. 21:26.253 --> 21:30.520 [SPEAKER_03]: Why wouldn't that be a complicated answer for you to do? 21:30.540 --> 21:38.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think it's crazy because I really was planning on being independent for a very long time. 21:38.673 --> 21:40.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think now that this 21:41.093 --> 21:51.105 [SPEAKER_01]: so much has changed around me, it's really at force to me to kind of ask myself the question of like, okay, if the world is your oyster, like what is your ideal situation? 21:51.166 --> 21:56.753 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's been such a blessing to even be able to ask that question to myself. 21:57.133 --> 22:06.004 [SPEAKER_03]: To even be able to come into any conversation with some version of control that not our every artist has, why wouldn't you? 22:06.575 --> 22:13.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that made me feel really, you're saying that made me feel really emotional because I just feel really, really grateful. 22:13.882 --> 22:32.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I totally understand that like this is really on some miraculous lightning strike, you know, Granted I've been working really hard since I was really young, but I think that's just the way the way everything's coming together, just really feeling so blessed. 22:33.018 --> 22:40.748 [SPEAKER_03]: and to piggyback off of what you were saying about trench in the early days, about the duality, the concept of duality. 22:41.188 --> 22:44.672 [SPEAKER_03]: And now here you have this thing happening in your solo life. 22:45.053 --> 22:46.995 [SPEAKER_03]: And a hundredths is a real thing. 22:47.015 --> 22:52.142 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not just a movie, like it's a real thing, right? 22:52.182 --> 22:53.684 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you guys play live. 22:54.384 --> 22:54.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:55.366 --> 22:56.307 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty crazy. 22:56.547 --> 22:58.890 [SPEAKER_01]: I never thought I would be in a 22:59.360 --> 22:59.721 [SPEAKER_01]: Ever. 22:59.981 --> 23:08.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like the least girl groupie person I've ever met and somehow I find myself in this like all time charting girl group. 23:08.763 --> 23:09.825 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay 23:09.974 --> 23:12.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool, so I'm like, back to simulation theory. 23:16.521 --> 23:16.721 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 23:16.741 --> 23:19.504 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you had one of the god codes from the old bit. 23:19.524 --> 23:21.306 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. 23:21.326 --> 23:21.606 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 23:21.626 --> 23:22.887 [SPEAKER_03]: And mortality, go. 23:23.888 --> 23:24.529 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 23:24.549 --> 23:26.591 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, seriously, um, all the congrats on it. 23:26.611 --> 23:28.012 [SPEAKER_03]: You're getting it from everywhere right now. 23:28.032 --> 23:29.334 [SPEAKER_03]: And it looks like it's so deserving. 23:29.614 --> 23:33.358 [SPEAKER_03]: And the music that you have made is so much fun to listen to. 23:33.398 --> 23:38.563 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really interested to hear where this next one comes along, because I like all the things that you're saying right now. 23:38.543 --> 23:39.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much. 23:39.648 --> 23:43.103 [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope we can have another conversation when this next album comes out. 23:43.163 --> 23:44.187 [SPEAKER_01]: This was really lovely. 23:44.509 --> 23:45.171 [SPEAKER_03]: Please reach out. 23:45.252 --> 23:46.156 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to talk about it. 23:46.718 --> 23:47.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 23:47.662 --> 23:48.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 23:49.175 --> 23:51.899 [SPEAKER_03]: My thanks to Audrey, the yum trenches out. 23:52.180 --> 23:54.743 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, Kpop Demon Hunters is everywhere. 23:54.884 --> 23:56.386 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks to you for checking out the episode. 23:56.686 --> 24:00.492 [SPEAKER_03]: Hit that subscribe button before you get out, so you can keep up with all the interviews that I put out every single week. 24:01.013 --> 24:04.959 [SPEAKER_03]: Spotify, Apple Podcast, NPR, WFPK.org. 24:04.979 --> 24:15.655 [SPEAKER_03]: Consequence, YouTube for the video versions or anywhere you get your podcast from, you can subscribe to Kyle Meredith with, and please do give this series a rating and leave a review wherever you're listening from. 24:15.635 --> 24:20.542 [SPEAKER_03]: And after that, you're going to head over to WFPK.org, where I do a show. 24:20.723 --> 24:22.606 [SPEAKER_03]: Bundy through Friday, starting 6 p.m. Eastern. 24:22.946 --> 24:25.089 [SPEAKER_03]: It's four hours of classics in the 80s and 90s. 24:25.109 --> 24:27.233 [SPEAKER_03]: You get the best and new alternative in indie. 24:27.794 --> 24:30.978 [SPEAKER_03]: There's music news, lots of bonus interviews as well. 24:30.998 --> 24:36.647 [SPEAKER_03]: One of my recent shows featured some classics and favorites for a Mumperton Suns and Hozier. 24:36.627 --> 24:50.968 [SPEAKER_03]: Wilco, Bjork, Zap mama, the mama's in the papa's, slayed, jailing the gun to the seritones, frightened rabbit, and my interviews with Yvonne Orgy, Madison Pettis, and Hannah Stocking as we talked about the film, The Wrong Paris. 24:51.670 --> 24:59.361 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you get when you tune in, weeknight, starting six PM Eastern at WFPK.ORG. 24:59.797 --> 25:05.304 [SPEAKER_03]: Consequently, as your music and film news, you can also find any of the social media sites my address is always at Kyle Meredith. 25:05.404 --> 25:06.845 [SPEAKER_03]: Please do like follow along. 25:07.386 --> 25:09.529 [SPEAKER_03]: That does it for another edition of Kyle Meredith. 25:09.889 --> 25:27.610 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you next time. 25:27.775 --> 25:31.300 [SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to hear your favorite artist on WFPK from wherever you are. 25:31.682 --> 25:37.785 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen on your smart speaker, live stream from our website at WFPK.org from Louisville Public Media.