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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell him, Jesse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it her or he?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it her?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a show me state, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what they call it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do they call it the show me state?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's American.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is American.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, everyone!
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Rekotopia!
[SPEAKER_03]: Episode 187, my name is Chris Atkins and joined by Aaron Dyser.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do we hold Donstorinos?
[SPEAKER_03]: Donstor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we are also joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, everybody!
[SPEAKER_03]: that's right and we'd also like to welcome chat who have come out here to watch us talk about movies on a wins day afternoon it's really different and wild no telling what might happen on a wins day afternoon when we talk movies folks it's so different from our Tuesday show anyway um the uh movie today the big recommend is civil war from last year can't wait to get into
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into our small recommends.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's no big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so small and light.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's petite.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jerry, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_05]: I will watch any movie that is titled Something Baby.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_05]: I watched a movie called Sorry Baby on HBO about five or six days ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: anything about it at all.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is a movie about a woman named Agnes.
[SPEAKER_05]: She's a professor at the college.
[SPEAKER_05]: She attended herself and an old friend who was a student with her comes to visit and is pregnant and is about to give birth and it makes Agnes realize how stuck she's been in her life.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then basically most of the rest of the movie is flashback as we see the events from her college days.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, sexually assaulted by a mentor, um, and when they go to report it the next day, her and her friend, they find out he's already resigned in the left town, so the school doesn't have any way to investigate or punish him.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it kind of just grinds her life to a stop while everyone else's life keeps going.
[SPEAKER_05]: And eventually she even ends up.
[SPEAKER_05]: having his office when she's a professor at the school.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's really unique about this movie is that it's comedy.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of laughs here, a lot of biting.
[SPEAKER_05]: unexpected humor that still treats the situation around her with respect and I just haven't seen very many movies do that or even try to balance humor with a subject matter as serious
[SPEAKER_05]: is Eva Victor uses they them pronouns and has been in many things as an actor that I have not seen but this is their first writing directing debut and it's it's unnervingly confident it's one of those movies that makes me go yep I should never make movies
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was rack in my brain trying to remember where I had seen them, what I had seen them from, and it's billions.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were in billions for a couple of seasons and loved that role.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's one of those things where you just, you know, you've seen them before, and you just, and then when you find it put your finger on it, it just, it feels like a wonderful release.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, but I back up what you say about, sorry, baby, it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a really good watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that movie has a sense of humor that it's kind of a tone like if there's not a lot like this It feels like there are bits and pieces of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like Rachel Senate is done or you know, but it's a little deeper and grittier than that It's I don't know there's a scene with looked it up a John Carroll Lynch
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene with John Carroll Lynch in this movie that blew my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may be one of my favorite movie scenes of the year, just what they're talking about, how they're talking about the meeting of these people in this situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a good watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a really good watch.
[SPEAKER_05]: They even, there's a moment where they lock eyes and he can tell that she knows he's the Zodiac.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that does not happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be amazing if that plot just kind of like tangentially went into other movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any time John Carroll lent shows up, it's like...
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also a great bathtub scene with Lucas Hedges.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Eva Victor, that's...
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just found a lot of the movie really refreshing and interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to get those when I look.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw a movie called Sketch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys have heard of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: No of its existence.
[SPEAKER_01]: I came to it through one of the producers who I follow who used to be like a Christian music artist who has gone into film named Steve Taylor and one of my favorite lyricists of all time just as a great way of crafting words and lyrics and a really smart guy
[SPEAKER_01]: And it stars Tony Hale and Darcy Kardon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you mean, Tony Hale from various things, like arrested development.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those kind of things Darcy Kardon was in the good place as Janet and has done many other things as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the movie hinges on the kid actors because there are three main kid actors and
[SPEAKER_01]: When you have a movie that has three main actors who are children, you gotta nail it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like the movie really did nail it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, this movie gave me vibes of 80s, 90s movies, where the kids were like figuring out how to be heroes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like everything has kind of gone to that adolescent range.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just like, you know, Goonies or, you know, some of those kind of movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also fantastical.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you just kind of the elevator pitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Girl loses her mother and copes with it through therapy and the therapist recommends drawing.
[SPEAKER_01]: sketching those kind of things and due to this let's just say supernatural force nearby I won't give too much away her sketches start coming to life and so the darkness that she is putting into her notebook all of a sudden is in the world around them so it's kind of like
[SPEAKER_01]: little RL Stein kind of horror like kid horror kind of stuff going on here too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really impressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot of fun and I really thought thematically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's called this is the hitters.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but it is available.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in theaters for a hot second and then now I think it's VOD.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it's streaming
[SPEAKER_03]: This has nothing to do with the movie, but I was watching Rich Eisen on he always does the celebrity true or false and all that stuff and he had Morgan Freeman on there and he was you know you know now you see me now you don't comes out November 20th when he kept saying it's available in theaters like November 14th and I was like available when have we ever talked about movies and theaters being available.
[SPEAKER_03]: He kept saying that too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pearl Jam's coming to town, they'll be available for the council.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm feeling good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did go to the theater and I watched Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I loved this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had a love hate relationship with Del Toro over the years.
[SPEAKER_03]: haven't been quite sold on everything he does and I know he came up and it was just like what am I missing guys he's kind of like a it feels like he's like a fanboy of movies and he kind of makes some decent stuff and like everybody's considered him like the next thing or whatever but i think the last 20 years maybe
[SPEAKER_03]: has kind of proven he's really good at what he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I loved Nightmare Alley that came out last and the shape of water.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, these are some good movies that have come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: This, uh, telling a Frankenstein is a little bit different from ones that you have seen in the past.
[SPEAKER_03]: it doesn't create a monster that just like oh we would just have to be scared of the monster or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a humanized version of the monster and it starts off with Oscar Isaac playing Frankenstein and he sort of the hero of the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing that the trick of this movie is his dad is played by what I can't remember the ghost name, the guy who was a lannister in Game
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember his name, he's Charles dance, Charles dance, plays him, and Charles dance is like this, you know, he's he's playing Lannister in this basically and he's he's he's and as the young he's he's abusive to the young Victor.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, oh man, it's Victor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's going to show his dad one day.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to be the best scientist in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then just the story kind of gets to the point where he, you know, when he is, he does create the monster and everything, you're like, you're like, oh, okay, I can kind of see where this is going.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like his father, he's becoming his father, basically through all of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: But,
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, um, this is a great human eye story of the Frankenstein monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's some great moments in this where, you know, he's away from the castle and he's he befriends a blind man, which is something that you know from Bride of Frankenstein and of course young Frankenstein Perry did it later on, but he befriends a he befriends a blind man and he does all these kind
[SPEAKER_03]: he's going to be nominated for this I think I feel like he's got to get nominated for this performance this is this is I don't know I would assume he's already broken out but this is should be a breakout for like critics and fans alike I think but
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but Oscar Isaac is great in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a great, uh, can't relate.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not more than a cameo of crystal vaults in this to, um, uh, and, uh, and a meagoth is great in this as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of great performances.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so yeah, uh, if you get a chance, I think it goes on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what in the next.
[SPEAKER_03]: a couple weeks a month somewhere around here on Netflix by the time you hear this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually two days two days from now is when it comes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you get a chance to see it like immediately, even though I would say this is a great movie theater experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can find it, I don't know if you can at this point, but Cosnetflix is notorious about being unfun about a lot of things,
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was brilliant and I wouldn't be surprised to see this nominated for a lot of Oscars in the album.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not seen it mostly because I knew I could, you know, check it out here in a couple days and there were other things that I wanted to see in the theater during my theater time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I am excited to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will take the opportunity, since you mentioned the Oscar race, which is one of my favorite things to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do look up Variety's odds.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lordy at number eight right now in supporting actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so needs.
[SPEAKER_03]: outside looking in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just on the outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, they're in that's, and that's too bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure there's a lot of great performances this year that I'm just not touching on right now, but yeah, he, he immediately, he, once he appears on screen, he's going to arrest your attention, uh, to think who I've seen a preacher boy from sinners has got to be nominated for supporting
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say he's got a have Del Roy Lindo from Senators Lindo's in right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, why don't you take to get Del Roy Lindo and I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know Define Blots, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should have been nom, he should have won for Define Blots.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't think he even got nominated for that move.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Miles Catten.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe his name is 11 right behind him.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those years where, unfortunately, it looks like two of the slots in supporting actor are going to be both from one battle after another.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Nietzsche Old El Toro and Sean Penn, and it always kind of annoys me, but I mean, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if the people think they're both worthy of putting them in there, you put them in?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm excited to see Frank and Simon for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who I will say, I like Chris.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had a love hate relationship with
[SPEAKER_05]: Del Toro career up until about five movies ago like I like shape of water, but then he really started getting me with Nightmare Alley and the Pinocchio that he did.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean the Pinocchio is amazing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that man And so and I have read a lot about this adaptation and the monster is apparently a lot more faithful to the book and that he speaks in complete sentences and Has feelings and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm very very excited about this
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the chat, I saw a question, do we need another Frankenstein?
[SPEAKER_03]: I said the exact same thing before I watched this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like, yes, if you're going to make it this way, then yes, we need to do another Frankenstein.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said the same thing about Pinocchio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we need another Pinocchio?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we had another one that same year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, a weird other Pinocchio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was that the some mech?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was that some mech?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was, well, it's Tom Hanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was some mech is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that other Pinocchio was awful.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Outwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might have been Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was somebody like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_03]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zemekus.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just do that for 60 minutes and never come up with a name at one time and it was awesome
[SPEAKER_03]: The chat will be sitting there giving us answers and we'll be like, but I don't know what it could be All right, uh, let's go on to our big recommend I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that you're so big it's so huge it's a good roll, but this is bigger than rules It's bigger on the inside is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I noticed which is civil war and it was Jeremy's choice so Jeremy take it away
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, everybody, we open on President Parks and Rec rehearsing and then giving a speech to the American people about how the armed conflict in the country is nearing an M because his forces are about to overwhelm the opposition with hyperbole.
[SPEAKER_05]: The opposition known as the Western forces.
[SPEAKER_05]: We meet Christian Dunst character Lee as she watches the speech from a hotel room and we also see a huge explosion outside her room that rattles the windows.
[SPEAKER_05]: next we see a protest in New York slowly beginning to turn violent and we see Jesse a young woman without protective gear or press labels and then we see Lee who's a seasoned photo-lejournalist in a yellow vest who has noticed the young Jesse being reckless and we also see Lee's partner Joel sometimes when I write these synopsis I don't use English um um
[SPEAKER_05]: Joel Greets and Hugs and other journalists that we'll meet again later, as the protest gets even more violent, Jesse takes a stray baton to the head, which Lee sees happen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lee then escorts her away and behind a police car to comfort her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jesse recognizes Lee as a famous photographer who took a famous photo during the Occupy Wall Street protest.
[SPEAKER_05]: A young woman protestor approaches the troops with a backpack and it explodes just as Lee
[SPEAKER_05]: in shock afterwards, Jesse sees Lee walking through the body's taking pictures and takes a photo of Lee.
[SPEAKER_05]: At a hotel later, mostly populated with journalists, Lee and her partner, Joel, and a colleague, Sammy, discuss the day as well as their future plans.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's decided Sammy and older journalists will be tagging along with Lee and Joel as they head toward the White House hoping to interview the President.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sammy says, Western forces, Florida alliance, there's no coordination between the sucessions.
[SPEAKER_05]: You watch as soon as DC falls, they'll turn on each other.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that may be the whole point of the movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me just not necessarily have a hopeful outlook for humanity certainly not for America.
[SPEAKER_05]: As Lee goes to bed, Jesse appears.
[SPEAKER_05]: Basically, fan-growing over her for a bit, before then turning and going into the hotel bar to let League of Upstairs.
[SPEAKER_05]: As Lea relaxes in the bath, we see her remembering all sorts of unimaginable violence and torture and death that she's seen in photograph in her career, and it's pretty freaking awful.
[SPEAKER_05]: The next morning, Lee is outraged to see that Sammy and Joel have invited the young photojournalist Jesse along on their journey.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she is somehow convinced to let her go after Joel says she's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: Point as Lee has misgivings that clearly stem from her own too soon maturation from being a war photographer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Regardless, the for some takes off in the SUV head into Washington, D.C. and we see that they have 857 miles on their journey.
[SPEAKER_05]: We see abandoned zombie apocalypse cars, military checkpoints, evacuating families and more along the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not too long into their trip, they find a gas station that appears to be open, and Sammy rightly encourages them to stop because they may not find much gas along the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's here that we learn Canadian money is now a lot more valuable than the American dollar.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like a lot, 300 American gets you a sandwich, 300 Canadian gets you a bunch of gasoline.
[SPEAKER_05]: While the SUV fills up on gas, Jesse's stupidly exits the vehicle and walks down to a nearby car wash warehouse thing, and she's followed by one of the gas station guys with guns.
[SPEAKER_05]: Down in the structure she finds a couple of partially skimmed, tortured, hanging individuals.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lee, who sensed the danger and followed behind the pair, uses her savvy to get the scary man to pose for a photograph thereby reducing her in Jesse's image as potential targets and then making them look like allies.
[SPEAKER_05]: The pair get out of there, though Jesse does have a panic attack in the car while Lee shames her for even going down to the garage in the first place.
[SPEAKER_05]: The lecturer, and when she turns around toward the back seat, she sees Jessie's crying, and she says, she's crying.
[SPEAKER_05]: The back seat is both a kindergarten and an old people's home, because Lee has run out of tact.
[SPEAKER_05]: A bit later, Lee spies a downed helicopter in a parking lot and has Jessie walk down there with her to photograph it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jessie apologizes for jamming her way onto the SUV, and Lisa, she's not angry about that, but there's no version of this that isn't a mistake.
[SPEAKER_05]: She knows because she's lived it.
[SPEAKER_05]: She says you remember when you lose your shit or get blown up or shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jessie asks if she would take her picture if Jessie died and will be replies, apps are fucking lootly, but she uses the words, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_05]: Later that night, 500 miles from D.C. there is a nearby gunfire battle, and Joel is itching for some action.
[SPEAKER_05]: He convinces Lee to head that way in the morning if they're still going at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm very happy to see that the Civil War has not stopped people from being able to get weed and liquor.
[SPEAKER_05]: Joel pranks Jesse by telling her that she can't go to a mile, she'll have to hang back and not join them at the conflict site.
[SPEAKER_05]: He mentions he'll be able to sleep because he's got a bit of adivine and I think there's no accident here that Joel is frequently drinking smoking weed taking adivine and other things because I think that is how he impersonally is coping with his trauma from being a war reporter.
[SPEAKER_05]: Next we jump straight into the battle action in some kind of city square as Jesse and Lee both take what I personally deemed to be too many damn risks to capture their photos.
[SPEAKER_05]: However, they both survived the battle and follow the soldiers as they sweep the building before we get one of a few great scenes in this movie where the music crew, cue, drops, and all the other noise cuts out.
[SPEAKER_05]: As we see the soldiers drag three hooded prisoners to a mound of grass before mowing them down with some kind of gatlin gun.
[SPEAKER_05]: They shoot them way more times than is necessary, and they enjoy it way too much.
[SPEAKER_05]: The music is up tempo, be paired with the shocking imagery, while Lee stands above, looking down on Jesse taking photos of the assassinations or the executions.
[SPEAKER_05]: Great scene, love that scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: Move music is very effectively used throughout this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: We next see the four arrive at a stadium that's been turned into a shelter.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're allowed to get some food and park, but are told there's no tense available.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jessie and Lee spend some time up in the bleachers while Jessie looks through her photos from the day and asks Lee when she became a photo journalist.
[SPEAKER_05]: She knows the answer, but she wants to hear it from Lee herself.
[SPEAKER_05]: She is embarrassed to buy her photos until she finds one good one, and even Lee says it's a great photo, and it's clear she's beginning to soften a bit on Jessie.
[SPEAKER_05]: That night we see the gang smoking weed and drinking and sharing laughs on a blanket on the grass and shots of the other folks in the safety of the shelter just being human in the midst of a very inhuman war.
[SPEAKER_05]: After some travel the next day, the group find themselves at a small town that seems completely disconnected from the war around it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Kids on sidewalks, happy people everywhere, nice landscaping, open shops and stores.
[SPEAKER_05]: The gal at the cash register at a boutique tells them very nonchalantly they just don't pay attention to the stuff outside the town.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we get a lovely moment where Lee tries on address and lets Jesse take her photo.
[SPEAKER_05]: When Lee exits, Sammy points out that there are snipers on many of the rooftops in this town is not as quaint and cozy as it appears.
[SPEAKER_05]: Back on the road, talk turns to interviewing the president, and Lee Reather ominously says, just as long as he isn't dead when I get there.
[SPEAKER_05]: They come upon a dead military body in the middle of the road and briefly stop before proceeding slowly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Suddenly they're fired upon and Joel races the SUV over the body and parks it behind an existing truck and stops.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are two uniforms and Iperdudes, just beside that truck.
[SPEAKER_05]: And here is where I think the movie is again underscoring one of its major themes.
[SPEAKER_05]: As the sniper dudes say they don't know who's in the building shooting, but since he's shooting at them, they are also going to shoot at him.
[SPEAKER_05]: A concept Joel is struggling to grasp.
[SPEAKER_05]: as Lee lies in the grass looking at flowers, swaying in the wind, as the sniper dudes finally take down the shooter.
[SPEAKER_05]: A bit further down the road, another truck comes up behind them very quickly and they are alarmed until it turns out to be a parodernless friend of theirs, that they would just playing a prank.
[SPEAKER_05]: As you do during wartime, anyway, because they're all dead inside from reporting on the war, two of them decide to switch vehicles and be dare devils.
[SPEAKER_05]: A stunt that Kaylee Spainy actually did herself, according to IMDB.
[SPEAKER_05]: The second vehicle, now with one of the buddy friends and Jesse, races ahead, as you do during wartime.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lee almost crashes her SUV into a tree just by trying to catch up.
[SPEAKER_05]: And by the time Lee catches up to them, the truck is abandoned in front of a farmhouse.
[SPEAKER_05]: They slowly drive back behind the farmhouse until they see three soldiers dumping dead bodies into a ditch from the back of a truck while holding Jesse and the other man at gunpoint.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we are never told what those dead people did to get themselves killed, but it's a good bet they didn't invite the soldiers to their game night.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lead a side to go down there and everyone but Sammy walks down there and surprise it's Jesse Plements.
[SPEAKER_05]: who actually was a last minute replacement in this role.
[SPEAKER_05]: The original actor cast couldn't be there for some reason.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember, and Kirsten Duns was all I kind of know and actor and that's how her husband got a role where he spent one day shooting a nearly stolen entire film.
[SPEAKER_05]: He heroically interrogates the journalist about how American they are before shooting the two Asian journalists.
[SPEAKER_05]: Before he can shoot anyone else, Sammy shows up in the truck and hits all three soldiers and Jesse narrowly gets out of the way by rolling into the pit of bodies, which is somehow only the third most traumatic experience Jesse has in this movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: As the journal moves pile into the truck, one of the soldiers has survived and grabbed his gun and starts firing at them as they flee.
[SPEAKER_05]: On the road still racing away, Sammy reveals he's been shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: With the group unable to do anything, but drive forward in the hopes of finding help, Sammy dies in the backseat before they get to the western forces camp.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the second great scene where the music fades up, and every other sound fades away, as they drive through a burning forest in the night, and the fire raging as the dying newsman races through to reach the other side is not a subtle image, but for me it's appropriately strong.
[SPEAKER_05]: For the record, Joel's silent scream about Sammy's death as the tanks and soldiers marked behind him as an image that will stay with me for a long time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Joel, who has been craving action and talking about getting boners overgun fire, has finally had the war activities he salivated over hit too close to home.
[SPEAKER_05]: At the camp, Jesse looks at,
[SPEAKER_05]: and then deletes a photo she had taken of Sami's body.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's important growth, as she's realized some great photos don't necessarily need to be taken.
[SPEAKER_05]: Some other journalist friends inform the group that the Western forces are going to attack DC soon.
[SPEAKER_05]: And while they try to give Lee condolences about Sami, Joel is just wanting them to skip and go straight to the information about the attack.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, this time, it's not a lust of wartime action viewing Joel.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's to give Sammy's death some meaning by finishing her quest to interview the president.
[SPEAKER_05]: In a brief, low, before the action, Jesse Morn is not having known Sammy better, and Lee tells her that the Sammy she knew in the last few days was the person Sammy always was.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jesse says, these last few days, I've never been scared like that before, and I've never felt more alive.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Lee looks at her with what I think is regret, that Jesse's not only caught the bug for wartime journalism, but it already has the first set of traumatic memories she will probably be haunted by down the road.
[SPEAKER_05]: The opening of the nighttime battle is another sound-free montage of violent set to music as Jesse Lee and Joel follow western forces troops closely as the battle rages and they get closer to the White House.
[SPEAKER_05]: Outside the White House, the journalists hide behind concrete barriers as gunfire and RPGs erupt.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty terrifying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lee, in particular, appears greatly affected emotionally and mentally by the violence and she struggles to even move at times, frozen in a panic.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I believe Lee is now feeling 25 years worth of traumatic experiences that she has been suppressing all at one time.
[SPEAKER_05]: And as a side note, this finale does a really good job of feeling you where everyone is throughout the action.
[SPEAKER_05]: Suddenly, the president's limo races out from the White House, but our heroes correctly assume it's a decoy and continue toward the White House.
[SPEAKER_05]: They actually get inside the White House before any troops do, though they are quickly joined by Western forces soldiers who are also determined the president was still in the building.
[SPEAKER_05]: The soldiers moved through the White House with precision, and the journals follow close behind.
[SPEAKER_05]: They encountered a secret service agent in the press briefing room who wants to negotiate, but they kill and remove on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Until they reach a hallway with gunmen at the end of the hall.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jessie impulsively rushes out to the center hallway to take a photo, but Lee steps between her and the gunmen, taking the fatal gunshots herself, as Jessie's instincts take over and she takes Lee's photo, as she falls dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I do think the moment is a tad melodramatic, as I think they could have found a way for lead to die and Jesse to take that picture without it being such a traditional and obvious heroic sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's a moment that is specifically here to show us that Jesse's instinct as a war journalist are finally arrived as it takes her less than a second after being shoved to the ground to grab her camera.
[SPEAKER_05]: and start firing as she instinctively knows that it's going to be a photo worth taking them will also be tragic.
[SPEAKER_05]: It might also be when part of her humanity disappears, as she prioritizes, getting shot over everything else, getting the shots, sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Joel takes Jesse's shoulder, but then moves on and doesn't even seem to acknowledge that Lee is dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's consumed by this story, and getting the story will make everything bad that happened along the way have meaning for him, or at least he thinks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Two of her credit, Jesse Briefly does mournly before following Joe into the Oval Office.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just down the hall in the Oval Office, the president is finally cornered.
[SPEAKER_05]: Joel insists on getting a quote before the soldiers kill him.
[SPEAKER_05]: And for some reason, the soldier's a blotch.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the president says, don't let them kill me, which Joel agrees aloud is a pretty perfect quote.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the president is then killed as Jesse takes the photo, having now fully taken leans place.
[SPEAKER_05]: She wanted to be like her,
[SPEAKER_05]: And finally, she is her, and that is Civil War, gentlemen.
[SPEAKER_05]: What did you think this time around?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be one of those wish that I had written 500 notes down for, so I could remember all the things that I wanted to say about this movie that I do believe that I could take longer than the movie's length to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that is this kind of movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the first thing, I'm glad that you brought attention to the thing Sammy says, uh, towards the beginning, talking about how there's no coordination between these forces and you said, this is what I think is one of the big parts of the movie or is the main part of the movie or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I agree with us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, fast forward to the ending.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't help but look at these some of these killings is just straight up murder at the end like they don't need to kill these people at the end they they might need to kill the people who are shooting at them but they don't need to kill the president they don't need to kill the secret service agent those those should just be hostages at that point but they decide no we've gone in here to to kill and that's just it was just straight up murder and you I don't
[SPEAKER_03]: rooting for the Western forces as they go in because this president is clearly a tyrant, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we don't know that he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know that he's a tyrant.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the kind of the trick of this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't really know.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does say some things that are very tyrant like, you know, and very like, you know, the what he says is a bunch of bullshit and he's, you know, whatever, but we don't really know what his, his, his style as a president.
[SPEAKER_03]: has been.
[SPEAKER_03]: But either way, I think it's, they don't need to kill him at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, and then, then what?
[SPEAKER_03]: These forces are going to like take over the White House now.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are the ones that decide what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it ties into, I told you this over the weekend when
[SPEAKER_03]: This might be the sixth or seventh time of watch this movie, and I don't think it's ever been read as bleak as it has this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not because of what real world stuff is going on, but because of what this movie seems to be saying, and I really sort of had, uh, I don't know, I just had a moment rewatching this movie thinking that it has a lot to say about.
[SPEAKER_03]: about whether or not you should care about other people or it's like not caring is survival in this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: The reason why Lee is so upset about the two new people riding with her is that now she's got to be she's forced to care.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's got to be like
[SPEAKER_03]: on top of them of their survival now, when as she could just go into any situation and not worry about that type of thing before, now she's got to worry about the old man and the girl who's barely an adult, but basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, like, all of this is sort of making her get to the point where she's regaining her immunity as Gaelic Spani's character loses hers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, like, it's making her less of a photojournalist, or at least less of one than she was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course what happens she goes to save her at the end and she pays for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She dies for pay for caring It's such a ridiculous like I and then we tie that into the town the the town that I call the ghost town in this in this movie
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the most haunting things you'll ever see, there's a point where Joel goes up and he's like, you know, there's a civil war going on, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it says like a pretty big civil war going on, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like it's one of those things where
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to ask yourself, is this town full of people who don't care right about what they're doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it also because you also hear about others that don't care?
[SPEAKER_03]: You hear about least parents are pretending this isn't happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Jesse is pretending it's not happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in Missouri, no less, and you also hear about the fact that I sit here and wonder what are they even, what are they even doing the press stuff for because it doesn't sound like anybody cares about what's going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: like like who I agree I agree everything you're saying but I do think the rest of the world like they work for Reuters right yeah I do think the rest of the world is reading news about this civil war but they may not care about it I think it's beyond that I think in their minds it's it's about legacy it's it's about
[SPEAKER_01]: 100 years from now, 50 years from a event, you know, like it's not it's not part of it certainly is, hey, look at this thing now, but it's also documenting for ages to come, you know, images, videos, words, I get that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is depending on whether or not the new people and power are even going to allow this type of thing to be images.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
[SPEAKER_03]: I that's what that's why it was so bleak to me on this one on this go round was that everybody who decides to care even Yes, Sammy when he gets in the van and he runs over Jesse Plyman's and everybody
[SPEAKER_03]: he ends up paying for that, there's even, and then there's a point too, I thought, really hit the ultimate cynical dial is when Joel says, Sammy didn't die for anything good.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did die for something good.
[SPEAKER_03]: He saved your lives.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't save everybody's lives, but he saved your lives.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he doesn't think of his life as anything worth saving in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what the way I read this is that, you know, and so it's one of those type of things where, you know, that's what this movie seems to be saying, I will say, I'm extrapolating here
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing about not caring is that eventually, like if you don't have a side or you don't have an opinion about what's going on, then you are basically being forced into what somebody's idea of government is at that point, you will
[SPEAKER_03]: you may be doing you may be okay right now like everything's normal right now but it's eventually going to come to your town this new government this new stuff and it's it's and you have no say in it at that point you haven't done anything to have a say in it yeah so I think about just to interject and I'll let you continue I just want to make sure
[SPEAKER_05]: While you're talking about this, I think the movie is sort of making two points.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got the journalists who are observing this war and it's affecting them.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's impacting them and their mental health.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think the movie is also talking in general about observing what's actually going on around you in the real world.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that having an impact on your mental health and you can choose like the town.
[SPEAKER_05]: to just not pay any attention to whatever's going on outside of the radius of your own home, but that is not healthier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Long term.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really isn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a key point in the movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, eventually, eventually, something's going to come to your town.
[SPEAKER_03]: That new government is going to come to your town.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever that, whenever it's established, it's going to throw that whole town into a people at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you're not going to be able to not care anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know what this,
[SPEAKER_03]: California, Texas, Florida, whatever is going to be the country at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think now, here's the other thing, this movie when it came out was like, well, it doesn't really have its politics at the forefront or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it has a side on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it, I don't think it particularly points out any one side in the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just saying it's a very like pro don't kill people type movie and anti-racist movie basically like I don't know if Jesse Plyman is part of the western forces, I don't know if he's part of the government, I don't think that's ever made clear, maybe it's something in there, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's an intentional choice is to not tell you that they're a part of any one thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: This can happen anywhere is basically what it's saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no mistake about the two Asian journalists getting killed while the white ones get to stay alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they look at the bodies in the pit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're all people of color.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, they try to put that powder that lie or whatever that stuff on them to cover it up, but it's it's very prominent that they're killing, who they're killing there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, yes, the movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, is interrupted by another person of color saving them, you know, by the end of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but we're supposed to think, oh, they would have killed the white people too, but I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know that for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the movie's way of saying, look who did die in the situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: All the people of color end up dying in that situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's one of these movies that when I first watched it, I uh, I didn't know what to feel about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know what to think about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I wish it would be one way or another about certain things, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then the Sims process came up and I probably watched this movie four or five times during that during that process.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it's just more and more of an appreciation for this thing kept going at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really took me until about this viewing right here to say this movie is just great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what this movie is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so yeah, I, um, I, uh, just, uh, I, that's what, I guess it's what I have to say about this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many other things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could probably, like talk about, we'll see what Aaron has to say, maybe it'll spark some more discussion, but Aaron, take it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you said a lot of what I was going to say, I think this movie is about losing and gaining empathy and humanity, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in that is the process that the Lee and Jesse are intersecting on.
[SPEAKER_01]: One is losing their humanity and empathy and one is gaining their humanity and empathy back that they had lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the reason the movie focuses so much on that
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it feels and has, since I first watch it, maybe, and again, I'm putting my own brain on this, my own perspective on this, but it feels so much to me about polarization, you know, the idea of us versus them, the idea of, oh, you're either, you know, with us or against us, and what the movie seems to be saying is that seed leads to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, like all these scenes are different examples of what that idea dehumanizing somebody who believes different than you sees the world different than you you've other in some way skin color whatever it is that seed ultimately if you follow it down its natural path
[SPEAKER_01]: leads to shooting at someone who you don't even know who they are, why they're shooting at you, you just know they're shooting at you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you have to shoot back at them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's that's what that seed leads to.
[SPEAKER_01]: It leads to snipers on all of the buildings as, you know, you try to be in denial about what's going on in the world around you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see how that feels very nihilistic to a lot of people in very grim.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it is in some ways a cautionary thing
[SPEAKER_01]: to say, okay, is there another path?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there another choice?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible, you kind of either fall in one of two categories, you either have the hope that possibly humans could actually not plant that seed and actually believe in each other and give each other the benefit of the doubt, have conversations with each other, not resort to violence, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you just believe that's kind of part of the core of who we are as tribal,
[SPEAKER_01]: and you know entities and it's always going to it's a recycling story of polarization and loss of humanity and then maybe we'll get it back a little bit and then we're going to lose it again because that seed is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think where you fall on the movie probably depends on how you see those possibilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you know where you see the possible
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and talking about the movie as a movie itself is even a different conversation, but one of the things that makes the movie such an amazing movie for me and one of the reasons I love what Alex Garland tends to do is because I can't stop thinking about it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't stop processing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't stop recognizing new little elements and themes and whether I'm making them up and they were unintended or whether they were intended and I'm finding them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't even matter because good art gives you the opportunity to
[SPEAKER_01]: you know have those conversations have those thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think there's there's a real anti-polarization foundation to this and then you have to ask the question, well, is that possible?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how do we get there?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some other specific things.
[SPEAKER_01]: that I wanted to mention during watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's also this subset of about the free press in this, which ostensibly is what the movie is about, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about taking the pictures and those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: That becomes a stand-in for a different sort of radicalization.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, like there's this other, uh, there's another type of other ring that happens when you disconnect yourself from what you are documenting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is that much different than disconnecting yourself from the whole thing going on in the first place?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like are those similar?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they, you know, are they neighbors on the spectrum?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the movie says that they are and it shows you
[SPEAKER_01]: that while documentation is important, if it's done without the human element, it becomes as soulless as the war going on around it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I mean, just the way that the two of them sit there and the bleachers and look at a photo of a dead man.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm only talking about the aesthetic value of the picture and not contents.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is no mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: that the movie ends with her taking a shot, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it is her, their cameras are their weapons.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it ends with her shooting the president.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that's the idea here is that there is some sort of, you know, kind of correlation between what they are doing and the dehumanization of the military movement as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the quotes I loved that speak to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time I survived a war zone, I thought I was sending a warning home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do this, but here we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking to the futility of, oh, I thought I had a purpose in doing this, and it doesn't seem to be fulfilling the purpose,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Chris, um, and then the other one was once you start asking those questions, you can't stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: We record.
[SPEAKER_01]: So other people ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: We demonize ourselves and those around us, so that later down the road, somebody else can do the right thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what soldiers say, we, you know, we fire the guns because, you know, later down the road, it's going to have, you know, these positive impacts, and we're part of this process.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really speaks to the idea of how we can compartmentalize our purpose, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And how we can compartmentalize who we are and how we interact in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's so, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
[SPEAKER_01]: pertinent to what the world continues to go through, not just now, but over and over again with the idea of how power uses polarization to either gain power or stay in power and, you know, quickest way to get power from the people, is tell the people, the other people are monsters,
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, and I think all of that is here in its genius and I love this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there something we can dissect about that taking the picture of the television as the president is on the screen and everything?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there something else being said there other than I'm just kind of like screwing around taking a picture?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you said that, you know, it's kind of a book end or type of thing, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's at the beginning or it's before shadowing, it could be just before shadowing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that maybe it was saying something about the distance that we have between us and the president at this point, the press isn't allowed to actually photograph the president themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: That type of thing, but maybe it is just the foreshadowing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's maybe that's the point of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've got you in my sights.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm coming for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole other avenue that this movie doesn't really explore at least as far as I can tell that plays into this and especially journalists have to struggle with, which is now you mentioned this Chris, you know, not only do those empowered decide what pictures to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone can invent any picture they want to and say it was document.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's yeah, that we now live in a world where it is easier than ever to Too full people about what is documented.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is real and
[SPEAKER_05]: That's again, a play for power and as Syndrome said in the Incredibles, when you can't tell if anything's real, then nothing's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Syndrome, voice for our times.
[SPEAKER_03]: That I agree, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the sniper scene also probably should get dissected a little bit more just because
[SPEAKER_03]: First off, as far as war movies are concerned, most sniper scenes like full metal jacket or saving private Ryan or any of these kind of movies that have snipers, their action scenes, this one is a suspense scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're not really even, I don't know, again, we don't know who we're supposed to be rooting for.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not really, I don't think we need to root for anybody in this, but, but I get, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, the thing that you're talking about air and about, you know, other ring people and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess at first, this person in the house is like nobody better come around my house ever, and they just start shooting at people for no reason, basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: And finally, shot at the wrong people who decided that they were going to make it a mission to kill this one person.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you hear the, all the press people before they even go that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, why don't we just go around and they say something about like it's going to take too long to do that or what I think that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's too long.
[SPEAKER_03]: not for these soldier guys who were sitting there waiting to sniper this dude uh from their little like that weirds that weirds set up that they're at or though the like living room like they're it's like a new subdivision that's coming up or something yeah and it's like a make it that's a model of a room but um but like they could have they could have gone around in that situation
[SPEAKER_03]: like they don't have to spend their entire afternoon or whatever and they're they're the smart asses motherfuckers ever in this movie too they are oh that's why prices printed on the side of your vehicle yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a funny man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This movie has a sense of humor too, which is wild for all the things that it's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong about Plyman's steel and the movie almost.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so good in that thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he didn't have enough screen time, but that was talk about Oscar nominations for the last thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would have supported it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he stayed in character all day and didn't interact with anybody else.
[SPEAKER_05]: He told us y'all, you imagine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you imagine that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_05]: He just puts those glasses on and he was in.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's acting like this all day, man, and to show that that tension is properly ratcheted up when he does that whole thinking about what they're saying and the gun kind of slumps down, and he's just like, he's just like, God, man, because those are the most dangerous people in the world, the ones that you just don't know what they're going to do at any time.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like Joe Pesci and good fellas, you know, one of the most type of guys, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think we can talk about this movie forever, but let's get on to our Super Secret Double Feature Be very, very quiet What's secret?
[SPEAKER_01]: Our little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone I'm your first I
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a tonal thing mostly, and I went with children of men.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it feels like that same post, you know, apocalyptic, traveling, trying to get somewhere, trying to accomplish a goal, misinformation, you know, who's the enemy, who's the friend, all that stuff is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just feel very, very similar to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, that's so.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think there's a connection there.
[SPEAKER_05]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I totally agree with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a perfect double feature for this mine is a little bit more straightforward on the nose type of stuff, but I don't think very many people really kind of know about this movie, but Oliver Stone did a movie called Salvador in 1986 that's about photojournalists.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's James Woods starring in this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a guy who's just
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he just needs money, basically, and he, and there's a civil war going on in El Salvador, so he goes down to to El Salvador.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, that movie is a lot more, uh, because it's a based on a true story.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot more steeped into the politics of everything that's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: it's a very clear communist versus right wing type of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ronald Reagan's election in 1980 is something that is kind of helping out the people who are the right wing and trying to kill the communists and all that type of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a featured thing in this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also wonder what James Woods thinks of this movie 30, 40 years later.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard separating the artists from the person in this, but it's like would he, would he have the same thoughts about all that's going on in this movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so, but anyway, Salvador is the one that came up for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a year Oliver Stone came out with this Anne Platoon in the same year, so it's a pretty big year for him, but that's the one that I came up with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just so that the chat knows that you're not on the wrong way of length, my other possible choice was night crawler.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was loaded and ready in case I wanted to go there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it had been used recently too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I can't remember what for, but it definitely has been used recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's with the next week's homework, Aaron's turn?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you got for Aaron?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a unique little situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that it has happened before.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a small recommend from one of you that I took to heart and decided to watch and immediately after watching was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my next big recommend.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all have to watch this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This movie is amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Elevator to the Gallows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is 1958.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have HBO Max, you should have pretty easy access to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris did a great job of explaining what makes it awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we will have a lot of fun breaking down.
[SPEAKER_01]: What makes it awesome next week, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie is fan freaking tastic it was a recent discovery of mine probably two or three years ago I saw it at the bell court for the first time so Really really really good movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had Jeremy have you ever seen this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have not no I'm looking forward Yeah, I'm I'm actually looking forward to seeing how you react to this one this one's good This one's this one's very fantastic.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yes, we
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, that's going to do it for this week chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once again, thank you so much for coming out and and watching us.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a different day, different time, but you came out anyway and you came strong anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Boy, that sounded dirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: That sounded dirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but yeah, yeah, you uh, you know, you did you did your usual strong chatting in the chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good say, Chris.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody will know what I was thinking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anyway, uh, that's going to do it for this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, we will see you next time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't kidding, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Manchester United, won in 92, 93, 95, 96, 98, 99, 2,000 in 2002.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were easily the New York Yankees of that sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, it was just one of those things that you'd hear about all the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who was playing for them during that run?
[SPEAKER_05]: Who's the big star from that era?
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyone out there know?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know the names.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... there's a name you will know the plate on those teams that name is David Beckham uh... oh yeah so right here he bends it uh... he he he he does indeed oh yeah here it is so this was in 2011-12
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was Man City, so it was Man City and Manchester United, when did their last fixture separated by just a goal difference?
[SPEAKER_03]: And after Wayne Rooney's first half winner at Sunderland, Sir Alex Ferguson's men were minutes away from being crowned champions when the final whistle went at the stadium of like.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Man City were still playing at the Edithod Stadium.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they have ever known.
[SPEAKER_03]: and produced a stunning stoppage time come back from two to one down against Queen's Park Rangers, kept by Aguero Strike in the fourth minute of stoppage time to win three two and snatched the title.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it was about gold differential.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, coming down the gold differential.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they couldn't tie to get, yeah, it was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember we had a red wings a couple years ago in the play.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't knock out of the playoffs because some other game was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they scored an empty net or something that kept them out of the playoff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't even hear about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a couple of years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to look it up for the details, but yeah, it feels very similar.
[SPEAKER_05]: Imagine if the NFL season champion came down to who scored the most points.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last night, I didn't even read into it, but the predators lost on a goal in over time where the net was off its morings, and they didn't even shoot it into the net.
[SPEAKER_03]: The net was off, and then the other team just shot it across the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they counted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess it's because they figured that the goal was kicked off on purpose or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't read anything about this, but I was really bizarre.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't it was really bizarre to see to see the net off its morings.
[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't even put the buck in the net yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they just shoot it across the line in that count.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it looks like it was two years ago, the wings game had already gone into OT.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was already a point for them, you know, that they needed to, I think it was to push the flyers out of the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the cap scored an empty net goal that put the red wings out of the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Insane.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they said the goal lead made the net come off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's what I figured it had to have been because there was no other explanation for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sports?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sports?
[SPEAKER_03]: The entire outtake this sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're welcome.