[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quirk, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space 9.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, you're host for today, are my fellow trekk actors, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Garrett Wong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, myself, Terry Farrell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I end up with Cala Perry's Woo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How was it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK, in Memphis.
[SPEAKER_03]: In Memphis.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in prior years, we've had like a 10th reunion was at this nice hotel.
[SPEAKER_03]: The 20th was at the something something museum.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they've had like, you know, destination kind of reunion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then this one was that cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this one was at one of our classmate's houses in
[SPEAKER_03]: acres of land.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's like, yeah, and when you got, so I was thinking like there's got to be like a ranch or farm.
[SPEAKER_03]: We get there.
[SPEAKER_03]: The actual house itself was straight out of architectural digest.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just so well done.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, it looks like a ranch home, but it modern.
[SPEAKER_03]: If that, if that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when she lock in the door, you're like, oh my gosh, you're like, whoa.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's beautiful there outside the outside is also kind of modern, but still ranchy like it fit Yeah, but it was modern.
[SPEAKER_03]: It still looked correct or right right in the setting in that So he's doing very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is that close to where you went to high school?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he still late in his yeah, Arlington's like about 30 minutes from from the high school so 40
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you go to, did you go see your high school?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we did, so we went, I went on a tour with maybe four or five other students to the high school, given by one of the teacher slash student alumni.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we walked around and they've added some other, you know, things here and there.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like, when you walk in, there's like a digital screen that has everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's modernized now.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot more resources for the students and the ethnic breakdown completely different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I was there, it was me, my sister, Yang Yan, a Korean guy in my grade and his sister, the same grade as my sister, we were the only four minorities in the entire school.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, it's 40%, 40% African-American, 40% Caucasian-American, and 20% other, which includes everything else, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we went out in the football field, and I said to my friend Frank Gray, who's on the tooth, and I said, Frank, I just want to try to run the 40 real quick to like just like they did in the field.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, are you sure you want to do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, yes, and so the rest of us staying there and getting ready.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, as not yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so as everyone is standing on a sidelines, I'm getting ready to run and they're timing me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can hear someone on the sidelines who said, this is not a good idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is like, he's gonna pull up myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna get her yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, when they sit, start.
[SPEAKER_03]: My body said run.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, my brain said run, but my body was not, it felt like it was in quick sand.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm not even running right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was pushing was hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just, and I would be a time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, I think it was like seven seconds, which is horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's like a lot forever to get to, you know, like world class 4.2 seconds is like the fastest NFL
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, compared to somebody who's a professional athlete, I think seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I. Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how about being in traction afterwards, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you pull anything?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I, they told me to stretch beforehand, which I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I stretched.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're more fit than you thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember what your old time was?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I've never been timed on a 40 before in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why are you saying that's a bad number?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a funny, I have a funny, I'd be proud of just finishing it with my pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a funny race story, I would have got to digress for a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_01]: So on Resident Alien, Alan Tudick and Judah Preen, who plays the little boy, Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: they would argue all the time about who was better at this or that and at the end of the series at the end of the sea no season three i think it was um they made a bet that after they wrapped they would go to the track and race the 40 just what you did
[SPEAKER_01]: and whoever one would have to buy the other pizza.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so Rebecca and I went out and we filmed the whole thing and we made like signs and we were in the stands and we were so scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were warming up and doing all this, something to the race.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like 3-2-1-Goh, Karissa Allen's wife is the starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Juda takes off, and Allen takes off, and like five steps into the race.
[SPEAKER_01]: Allen goes, oh, oh, he pulled a hammy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like lifting down the track.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he didn't do that on purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alan was like Alan.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's Alan.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in his mid 50s.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not so far behind us, so just a little younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he pulled a hammy and he had to buy due to pizza and it was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't hilarious that he got there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's such a sweet thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: My set of like Alan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could just do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: 12-year-old kid and beat him?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I used to be like a rubber band back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a dragonfly.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, speaking of, you know, aging, reunions getting older.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have birthdays this week, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a perfect segue.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's segue, or it'll be a match deal from the Clan McNeil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, first of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is our favorite month to celebrate, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it has to be, because it happens to be the birthday month of y'all as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, starting off with Dica on November 10th, happy birthday, Dica.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Dica.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Dica.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also on November 11th, we have Dominique.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why the?
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Dominique.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Dominique.
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't forget Scott Bowling.
[SPEAKER_00]: November 13, lucky 13, happy birthday, Scott.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Scott.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, November 15th is a special day because that happens to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Morgan, Ayyalla, Renteria's birthday, happy birthday, Morgan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Morgan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need second lessons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Morgan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our last birthday is Annie Davy on November 16th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Annie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Annie.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We also would like to welcome a brand new profit that would be Jenny Cordina, not new to Patreon, but new to the profit level.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the profit level, Jenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, Jenny, welcome, welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Jenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for being a supporter of the podcast and welcome to the profit level.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get right into it, everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go with our... My memory.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we have one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's elementary, but I did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: How about we let Terry go for... Oh, can we hear your first?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to start with your opponent.
[SPEAKER_00]: We start with your opponent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love of healing has my heart reeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: To conquer the blight is my fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alas, I can't say of all.
[SPEAKER_00]: My crest is my fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, very deep, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to work crest falling in there, but yes, it was at the end of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking, I hope that's clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I like the play on words.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is poetry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here is a little lemric for the quickening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our favorite doctor Bashir is quite bright.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sought cures with all of his might.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the plague wouldn't yield till his humility healed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And hope led to the defeat of the blight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked that a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to, I wanted to finish with the blight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am going to give you a quick hike who.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And unfortunately, I wrote this last night, but I didn't write it down.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I forgot the second stands on the side.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm making another one off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're in that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because it ended.
[SPEAKER_03]: My second stands are ended in Rebelling.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could not figure out how I did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So each line is called a stanza.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the second verse.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said that incorrectly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: My high coup for the quickening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dominion virus rebels made the example of come to quarks.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could just get the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marshall's in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the perfect segue for really starting the whole episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty darn good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Written by Narend Shankar, directed by Renee Obajun Watt.
[SPEAKER_03]: His second is second episode that he's directed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, guest stars Ellen Wheeler as Eccoria, Dylan Wheeler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go to the storyteller's second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did all my children in the 80s with Ellen Wheeler.
[SPEAKER_01]: What Ellen won an Emmy?
[SPEAKER_01]: She came on to play the very first
[SPEAKER_01]: as I understood it then and I remember as I remember at the very first HIV AIDS storyline for a character, Alan was phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ellen is a very talented actress and she became a writer and then a showrunner of daytime dramas.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think including as the world turns or guiding
[SPEAKER_01]: became a big writer show runner of soap operas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was a very nice person when I did all my children with her in the late 80s
[SPEAKER_01]: She was a very sweet really talented and she played a character dealing with AIDS is what you were saying right Her character had had AIDS Well, it'd be very interesting because there is a AIDS connection in this episode as well So yeah, I wonder if they had seen her played that story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sure it must be on a real
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it was a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember her story and the performance of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if the writers have been watching her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I remember when I was in today's time television, watching her and thinking she was excellent and being in the show, watching it again, it's so weird to not remember, like all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, but chunks, but I remember that our supporting cast,
[SPEAKER_00]: we're kind and fun and easy to work with.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were so we just had a really good time despite the you know depressing elements of the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next up we have Dylan Hagridie as Epirin.
[SPEAKER_03]: We also have Michael Sarasin as Trevian.
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest crush on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they said it was definitely the biggest crush on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as a kid, right when he wrote, right, I just remember thinking, oh my god, he's like, so he's almost like fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was fascinating to look at when he was young, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was big lips and big eyes, and he was super sexy in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: after way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of times you see characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was he wasn't he the lead romantically and they shoot horses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't they?
[SPEAKER_00]: The film?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did a lot of big movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But very cool to work with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just one of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I chilled on the crush because I didn't know he was so much older than me.
[SPEAKER_00]: you just have them in your head in a certain way, you know, certain age, like parents or relatives, you know, you have to sort of have them at this age and then when you see them age, it's like, no, you're supposed to stay 40 forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: He passed away at 70 years old from cancer, and yeah, Canadian actor,
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what Renee Ishavaria said, having Michael Saras and was terrific.
[SPEAKER_03]: He came in and auditioned and just blew the room away.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no question of auditioning anyone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Women love this man and still swoon over him down on the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are women?
[SPEAKER_03]: Women, yeah, I said, I had the envy and an answer, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Women, women, women, women.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not women, but women.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was a big movie star in the late 60s and all through the 70s and then sort of his career turn to TV more TV in the 80s and 90s Yeah, but he was a big movie star It was a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was with Jacqueline Beset was his girlfriend or his partner for many many years Wow Yeah, and she's great
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay Michael Saras and it was it was great to see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Coast stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a big list of coast stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Heidi Margolis as Norva, Lauren Lester as the attendant, Alan Eschavaria as patient.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm guessing this is a relative of Renee or is it coincidental?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I think it's got to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also Lisa Moncure as Latia.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are our co-stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go through some trivia real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the concept for this episode originated with Iris even Bear after watching the 1995 Michael Hoffman film Restoration.
[SPEAKER_03]: The theme of the movie and the idea that Bear wanted to bring to the world of Deet Space Nine was what would happen when an inherently moral doctor is placed in a situation he is unable to control.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sled bear to propose that Bashir should be placed in the middle of a planet-wide epidemic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And no matter how hard he tries, he simply cannot come up with a cure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, on Bear's mind was the fact that Greg Duffy long and office assistant had just died of AIDS.
[SPEAKER_03]: According to Bear, according to Bear, my wife Laura works closely with AIDS, Project Los Angeles and the whole AIDS thing was on all of our minds, so we just wanted to come up with the disease that breaks your heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he was too busy himself, Bear hired the rain shankar to write the teleplay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although, Shankar ultimately decided to drop the AIDS metaphor, I didn't give the sense that the people were outcasts or pariahs, which is how AIDS patients are often perceived.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, that's a little bit of trivia on the origin of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you think about the timing of this episode, this was probably 96, around there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, HIV and AIDS in the 80s was a mystery, a complete mystery, people were dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could not figure out anything scientific to combat it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't until the early mid-90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So right around the time of this episode that partial breakthroughs were happening, just hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Bashir doesn't come up with a cure for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just comes up with a partial way to stop the future of it and that's kind of what was happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it definitely does, even though maybe they took the AIDS metaphor out directly, I think it definitely was influencing and relates to what was happening in 96, 95, 96.
[SPEAKER_00]: the air date of the show was May 20th 1996.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we would have filmed this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would guess around Christmas time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The working title of this episode was The Healing Touch.
[SPEAKER_03]: This title was given to the episode by writer Narendt Shankar.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was changed by Renee Ishavaria, because the producers felt that it implied Bashir would be successful in his fight against the blight.
[SPEAKER_03]: As Shavaria chose the new title of the quickening as a pun, which is interesting because Terry's poem had that, you know, planned words of Crestfall and Fallon Grest.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Eshavaria chose the new title of the quick thing as a pun.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the context of the episode, to quicken, means that the disease has become active, but to quicken in reality also means to come alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the title refers to both death and birth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Eshavaria was particularly proud of this double meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, that just gave me goosebumps actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys remember where Bashir talks about the story of the Teddy bear named Kukilaka in the episode?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the name Kukilaka was chosen by Renee Ishivariah.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, it came from a mistake on his part.
[SPEAKER_03]: According to Ishivariah, he thought Kukilaka was the name of his best friend's invisible childhood friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: But after the friends saw the episode, he informed Eshavriya that Kukalaka was actually the name of a cat belonging to an ex-girlfriend of his.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got a cute, I thought.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Small things like that help me to focus when I'm creating characterization.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that was very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like the inside secret of how we was kind of thinking about these characters as as a veteran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of the outdoor seat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, do you have a leg?
[SPEAKER_03]: Terry?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the two men share last name.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no public information linking actor Alan Achivariah to screenwriter Renee.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's a coincidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a way to compare to have separate career and family histories.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is pretty amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so random too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like I'm not related to Colin Farrell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or Will Ferrell, or Mike Ferrell, or Yeah, or Bob Ferrell, or I don't even know him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You may be related somewhere way back in the tree, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy is interesting to find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't that be weird?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very interesting exterior shots here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So all of the outdoor scenes were shot at the Santa Susana Field Laboratory in Ventura County, Southern California, where Rocket Dine had performed shuttle testing that resulted in the earth being burned and scorched by the heat and flames of rocket engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know exactly where that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You too.
[SPEAKER_01]: We filmed one of the hero sets for show I did up just below that rock a dime, rock a dime, testing grounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's all this land that they also were doing nuclear tests up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's radiation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when we were filming quite often up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'd have to put out like a separate sheet on the call sheet saying,
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's been tested.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry, crew.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're all fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the crew was like, yeah, that's bad news over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the best dose on sets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree if they were filming this episode at Rocket Dine and, you know, back then, if the safety was, if it was safe, I'm sure it probably was, but I always get nervous around those kind of places filming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember traveling there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that weird?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's all I was going to ask you like do you know, it's I'll path past Chatsworth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you go, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the filming zone, and so my guess is that we were just so over-tired that that's why I can't remember it because I do remember working on deep space where at one point I had to pull over on the 101 and just close my eyes for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure it's like this hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might have been because this makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably had to drive a long way out to a parking lot that was in the zone and then they would probably shuttle you to the set That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: You would do to get along that rule or what if they drove paramount and then they shuttle them from there all the way maybe But then she wouldn't have
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think I don't remember taking shuttles places unless we were at, you know, parking, and then they got us from park.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: One little last piece of trivia, that would be, most of the later stage, disfiguring, caused by the Teplan Blight, was done in post-production by multi-layer compositing under the supervision of Gary Hudson.
[SPEAKER_03]: This meant that on set rather than elaborate makeup, actors had dots attached to their faces, which allowed their motion to be recorded precisely, and which could then be replicated exactly in the computer.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was an early form of the type of sophisticated motion capture software and motion capture suits that are used regularly today.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it started to
[SPEAKER_00]: aren't we amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised because if you did the just having been a producer, director on these kinds of things before, yeah, you work at the cost of both options, and then you go with the cheapest one, let's say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's not a crazy that that's that was the chief one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that maybe they did some enhancement, but I can't imagine that all the makeup was done digitally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was probably a combo package of like when you wanted to see the
[SPEAKER_01]: the throat of something, those special shots probably were.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but before the quickening, it looked like it was just painted on, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only makeup that stood out that did not look great to me in terms of the detail and the detail was when, you know, remember the boy with the broken arm?
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a note on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you could see the highlighted white.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, who did that make up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, note on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was because he was a kid and kid hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get him in and out of the chair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were just like, yeah, with a quick version of the make-up on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it looked like, like, face painting class.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we're at a fair in his hood.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: To final final last trivia bits.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, this is another episode in which Seroclofton does not appear.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the only episode in which Jed Zia Dax wears her hair loose from beginning to end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, because she gave away her little, her broach or whatever, right, right off.
[SPEAKER_00]: But April and it, I don't remember seeing April.
[SPEAKER_03]: The very end, he kind of says, good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a share.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have some thoughts about that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie, jump right into this for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's jump in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we start off in the ward room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles and Kira are working on a replicator.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what's broken about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Odo brings quarkin.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they care it turns on the replicator and there's a commercial with a little jingle that of course has a go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes, come to Quarks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quarks is fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Run.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come to Quarks is very, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it when Quarks sing along with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he comes in and Carol loves it and plays it back for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's he's so proud of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So proud.
[SPEAKER_00]: So proud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does anybody say, I like how my name spins around?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Carmen was just hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: His residual scene, but it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Warfare rives with a mug in his hand that's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: His residual scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For that face is all on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he tilted sideways and it plays the same jingle that was on the commercial.
[SPEAKER_01]: So funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a, you're as mad about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's really mad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's get rid of these ads or she'll take care of him when she gets back and she grabs him by the by the The coat the lapels there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little excessive, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this isn't an illegal activity I mean, he's not meant to do these advertisements.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did it without any approval But he's not cheating anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not smuggling anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is here a hit him?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but she's threatened to beat him up.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I'm going to be really close.
[SPEAKER_00]: She needs therapy, but we don't have that right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you, Garrett.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say that this is a throwaway comics scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have played this much faster and thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry, because with the weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And where did Michael long pauses?
[SPEAKER_00]: And just too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but also was it weird that Dorn was just
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when they don't show anyone exiting, it would have been cooler to see maybe her just stage it a little differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So either you see Michael still or Dorn, or still listening or you see him exit while she's, but I don't know, it just felt like where to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you want different blocking basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: So well, yeah, because it was weird to me that you, you see her leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't wear the Michael Dorn's character go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was, if it was, if it was, if it was, or just show him leave when he after he does the mug show him leave, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It just was weird to me and a, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just odd to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the end of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a tiny thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: She takes off, everybody takes off, and Quark is very quick to help miles fix this and take the Yeah, he actually drops out of frame Quark's like, what does he say at the end?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, Let me help you with that chief.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does a pop-down classic comedy staging.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was on point with the comedy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was armament, idea or Renee, but that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was, yeah, the scene to me was kind of mixed up with comedy and
[SPEAKER_01]: and real pethosers stakes that were dramatic and it felt a little like it was not sure of the tone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the actors are in different stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were all playing different tones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armen did a great job of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me help you with that chief and popping down.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's buttoned the singing beautifully.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut into the runabout through the wormhole to run about wishes into the gamma quadrant.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut inside Bashir's very excited about these new scanners.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be able to pick up all kinds of new information about the Gamma Quadrant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira just wants to get back to the Alpha Quadrant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir thinks the Gamma Quadrant's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a little boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: And are the stars brighter here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax, I like Dax's line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it my imagination or has Julian lost his mind?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then we had a gigal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then you could be with his pad and nicely played scene, you know, transitional scene to get us in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: This begins a series of time cuts to me, though, in this episode, in the writing of this episode that I found distracting, would like in the same set, and we're jumping times constantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think the writers
[SPEAKER_01]: way of writing these transitions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that Renee found a great way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is the beginning of a lot of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they were well executed because we're just kind of jumping time constantly anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even this kind of felt odd jumping from the scene in the replicator and all of that with cork.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just suddenly we're the three of us are flying like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we doing that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we out there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why we're out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just like zoom in around hoping to find a distress call
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's well it's they're serving I guess the gamma quadrant, but it just it doesn't seem clear it seemed bumpy I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it seemed like we were not on our way home, but because we cut to that like we're on a voyage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was confusing to me there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't nice to us coming home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for example, if Kira says, fix this before I get back and then and then court says, let me help you and we cut to the station and we see the we see the the shuttle go into the
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, leave the station and go into the where I'm holding hold.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have been clearer, but when they drop out I'm like, wait, where are we?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're disoriented a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that in sci-fi when you're disoriented because they're already enough moving parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: that you're, you know, suspending disbelief with.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not helping me suspend it, then you're taking me out and I'm back and I'm having to do math.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are we?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are we?
[SPEAKER_01]: It took me a minute into the scene or the second part of the scene before I realized, oh, we're in the Gamma Quadrant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, they do get a distress call whoever's calling them says that our home world has been attacked and cure a scans.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming from the Teppelin system, just outside of Dominion's Bay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not the Gemhadar, we don't think it's not the Dominion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they decide to go help them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they set a new course off their own.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yay, we have a mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut down to this planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a war zone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, it's a soapier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just soapier.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're walking through the streets, but no one's really paying them much, much attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: which that's got a little odd too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially with how they react as we get into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they should have named this town rock a dine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, not a dine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, also consider how we look.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just isn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You looked totally different.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're obviously strangers and you're nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't love the zoom out shot to reveal this place.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know at the very top of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're up on a cliff and you sort of look and the camera just zooms out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt very data that felt old, old fashioned to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it reminds you of what is there's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it did have a little worsen Wells vibe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I kind of liked that about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It reminded me of a shot we did for Hellraiser, where we were in a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we filmed was just a tiny segment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the rest of it was like a painted.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that's what it looked like to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did look like, yeah, it looked like that to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that's what makes it look dated.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the time, it was really cool because it was a way of making, you see another world without them having to build it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they walk through this village.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody is talking to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: A woman with really bad veins all over her face.
[SPEAKER_01]: These red veins is in pain.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's suffering.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wants to go to trevian.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, I need to, you know, take me to trevian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I thought he was going to get into a fight with them immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bad of, you know, but he says there's nothing you can do for this for the blight, and that they should just leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she says, Norv says, help me take me to Trevian.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she goes Trevian and Norv says hospital.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that Trevian was there slang for hospital.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or the name of the hospital or the name of the hospital.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the doctor at the hospital.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of we go to this hospital, which feels more like a lounge or a spa.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's music.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's or a smoke dead or a smoke dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's serious people are laying around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're very, you know, out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What we go inside, they bring in this very sick lady who wanted to go to Trevian and the attendance says, oh, she's quickened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they have to take her to Trevian.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we look around and they all have these veins.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're starting to see that everybody here has veins and a lot of red veins and Trevian arrives.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a patient tomorrow there who thanks Trevian for making him so comfortable, things Trevian's off, awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Trevian explains to them that their civilization was once very advanced and they had technology, they were, you know, advancing themselves and then the gem had dard destroyed their world and left them with this disease, this blight, as punishment for their defiance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they all die from it Trevian explains,
[SPEAKER_01]: they're born with it and they die with it and they die with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly tomorrow that guy who was, you know, toasting, traveling before and saying how great he was, he suddenly convulses and dies and Bashir index realized that he gave them poison and Bashir's.
[SPEAKER_01]: very upset about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Trevins says you're going to have to leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it mention when or how long they've been dealing with this two centuries ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like 200 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: 200 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does this remind you?
[SPEAKER_00]: It made me think of Dr. Kovorkian.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought I don't really remember the whole story with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he helped assist suicide for people who were in a lot of pain, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, people that were, yes, correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: this episode and especially the scene because he means well reminded me of Dr. Kavorkian that it was very controversial but he took the reason they're paying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't want to live with pain like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all, not at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you understand why they think that he's, he is a healer in a way because they can't cure this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's ending, he's healing their suffering.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Giving them some, you know, choice over it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very good word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your choice over at all, especially when they're seeing their friends and family die in extreme pain, so then he's become like a savior to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I initially thought that when he said we had sophisticated equipment once, I felt like that a lot of this episode was playing against that as if
[SPEAKER_03]: because they acted like they've never ever seen any type of advanced.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's been a couple hundred years?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess is that enough time to not know what anything is in 200 years?
[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: For their pictures, you don't see pictures.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of their computers were working.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how would they be reminded, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And later we see me admiring a picture that someone painted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had to trade his boot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remind to get paint.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how to paint a picture to remind people how it used to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut back outside and Bashar and Dax get kicked out by trevian rulebreakers trouble makers do gooders do gooders.
[SPEAKER_01]: kicked out there walking through town.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see bodies on carts along the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax says that she's found the source of this distress call and that this is a message that's been transmitting for a couple hundred years.
[SPEAKER_03]: How's that even?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like an automated I get that, but I did say that it has its own energy source.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Might be solar.
[SPEAKER_00]: get into the Star Trek universe, making it all possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob, wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this thing has been, but that makes sense to me that why they don't believe that anybody's going to be able to fix this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've seen this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: This message has been going out for 200 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're people who have showed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's been able to fix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when they first walks through town, that's why everybody was ignoring them.
[SPEAKER_01]: This actually makes, oh, it makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also, um, they've been taking advantage of, too, by these people, by some of these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they don't care to go, hi, welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, if seen this before, it sends to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you keep your snake oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've started your snake oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's at the point where he's like, I guess we should leave because nobody wants our help and doesn't look like we're going to be able to do anything and that's when a
[SPEAKER_01]: She mentioned she's never met a doctor before, but she's pregnant, she's doing two months, and she says there's a woman in Necalia who makes a medicine that helps their pain and maybe helps them live longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some hope there, but she says it's far away and she's welcome his help to help them get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Kira calls and says, Oh, two Jim Hdarships are heading this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to figure this out, do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's Ellen Wheeler.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my first view of Ellen Wheeler.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my god, I remember liking working with her, she was so nice and it was it was so cool to have those like fun memories back, you know, relating to how you guys share about what Voyager felt like for you to watch back, it's just
[SPEAKER_01]: I always felt with Ellen, knowing her on the soap opera, when I was young, and being so impressed with her talent in the mid-80s.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that format of storytelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought when I was young, that woman is going to be a movie star.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is a movie star.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how good she is.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm just surprised like she's good in this as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised that
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, her career path took her down soap operas and she became a showrunner and, you know, I'm sure it was very happy and very successful there, but it's interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she could have been a movie star.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's that good, she was really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And beautiful and interesting, beautiful looking, not like common.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's something ethereal about her beauty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, Merrill Streep, that same kind of, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought of her as a young.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of level I thought of her when I was 20 years old and she was I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that much older.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was maybe five, six years older than me, but I was like, oh my gosh, she's going to be a movie star.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did either of you wish that these aliens had some alien something about their face?
[SPEAKER_03]: This entire time they're human, they're exactly human and whenever everyone sees our away team, they're like, oh my gosh, you guys are clearly off worlders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, how would you really know other than looking at the uniform?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the point is, well, I have you with these right spots.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true, but again, they're it just bugged me that they were not dangerous budget.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's budget.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just admit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't mind that they were Human because I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see aliens all the time and we don't bump into human beings on other planets and why not?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not just paint them green or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a color, a human's work.
[SPEAKER_01]: A human's work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too much work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Too much work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when they say like, oh my gosh, you guys are very human-like, like, we're getting the rear seat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: like one tooth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give them one tooth only, like bugs buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Geminar on their way, Bashir and Dax beam back up onto the shuttle, and they scan the area.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like the Geminar are patrolling the whole area.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going from one spot to another, but they're going to be near us very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Bashir says, these people down there need my help.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira says, well, this could take you too long, the German are going to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says, reminds her that on Baranus 3, they figured out how in an hour, how to solve this medical problem, and in three days, they had the whole population inoculated.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, if I can make a difference here, it may not take that long.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, here's going to take the shuttle to the Jankata Nebula, hang out there, avoid the Jempadar, and they're going to head down to the planet for a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm so happy you said that because, you know, in watching it, I even watched, I read what I'm didn't watch it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,
[SPEAKER_00]: which I guess he would have, it was because I thought she was taking us to the Junkada Nebula.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, then how are we ending up in the same spot?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so, I can't detect in the run.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of saying, I'll take it, maybe I'll go to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That nebula so that I'll be waiting there for a little more clear in her language in the mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should have laid it out a little clearer.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it nice to go hide out if you got to those people if we're going to the gen could our gen caught a nebula?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we getting back to those people?
[SPEAKER_00]: That confusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like where are we in space?
[SPEAKER_01]: What,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the look on your face, Garrett.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just love me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was in, you're just like, sorry, that I like the, I like the Jim Hadar Navila, better than the Jim Cottad Navila, so I'm going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And those cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to mix it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, while we go down to the back to the planet, we're in this communal room, there's kids, I did like this opening that Renee did, because you see the kids run, they're looking at the door, the kids run and they say, oh, they're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're coming, they're very excited and the kids running around is what motivates the camera to pan the room and we see all these people and then it comes back around to seeing DACs, uh, accordion, Bashir entering.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lingering more movie type shots in this episode than... Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, also it starts with an action that isn't part of the dialogue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that when you feel like you're in the environment a little bit, rather than just where it's cut, where it's cut, and you're, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: He did a lot of that in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the kids run around, but she starts to set up his medical equipment daccese this painting, a little framed painting, and a courier.
[SPEAKER_00]: That we were just talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: A courier explains it's from her husband, her husband painted it before he died last winter, which when she said that out suddenly, I was like, wait, you're pregnant.
[SPEAKER_01]: How is your husband died last winter?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well,
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's kidding this?
[SPEAKER_00]: She had a lot of comforting or she got comforted and then it took her two years to get birth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could, but I'm not saying that we could have comforted her in her grieving process.
[SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could wait, but no, no, she says she hopes he looks like her husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's her husband's kid for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know how long these aliens justation is again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it could be a two year gestation period.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it could be a two year prayer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it did bump me a little again, a little lack of context and play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't they have a team of people reading this just for these kinds of little errors that we're doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: You would hope so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she explains her husband painted this beautiful spot to give everybody hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: She talks about a mural.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did a big mural of it so that everyone would see this beautiful place and give them hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: something to hope for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then at Corey and volunteers to help us share runs some bio-spectral analysis.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs this analysis from an asymptomatic individual, so she volunteers.
[SPEAKER_01]: DAX makes a joke about waiting for the doctors.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have a seat and wait for the doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, of course, doesn't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, which I thought was, I thought it was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just have a seat, the doctor will be with you in a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: They love to keep you waiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes them feel important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made me laugh, but, of course, it didn't get the joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And why would she?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why would she?
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have any doctors.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's, of course, that I've never met a doctor.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what a doctor is, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a sweet moment at the end where Bashar says, you know, would you like to see a picture of your baby?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I just know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another time passing cut in the same place, a little later Bashar's isolated, the virus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's going to look for an antigen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a chore brings out a case with lots of jars of food in it, a special case.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come into it, it looks like a feast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says, yeah, that's what it was supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was meant for my death.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now I have hope, and maybe I won't need this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like going to be her last meal kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got hopeful, didn't you get hopeful?
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the pochalyptic village, the ruined town,
[SPEAKER_01]: Figuring this out, no luck finding the quickening volunteers, and Epirin bumps into him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Epirin is very skeptical.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's skeptical that he really wants to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he's trying to con them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says, look, I have technology to try.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to prove it to him, he fixes a broken arm that this little boy has in a sling to show them that they have this technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apprentice impressed and yes, this is a little boy that had the bad make up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could who's not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was face painted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Earlier when when Apprentice talks about the cure or that but for sure says he says he's working on the cure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Apprentice says, oh yeah, well what will it cost me?
[SPEAKER_03]: A good coat, a teelo of oil.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that the writers made up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a measure of TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can tell you a little bit of TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, it's a TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, it's a TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just change the continent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a mellow, a pillow, a wellow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: a jailo, a boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it's time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, trevvy and arrives after the broken arm bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trevvy and shows up and says, look, other people have made promises just like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you have this tech, you're not the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've never helped.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir does say, I'm not promising.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do anything and trevvy and then is like, well, you better not promise.
[SPEAKER_01]: because others that have made false promises have had deaths a lot worse than the blight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's very threatening there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a huge threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut back into this house where Bashir's hanging out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said up his stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs more tissue samples to find a cure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Echoria says maybe you should just go home.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my people basically have come to worship death, they wish for it, they've accepted it, and it's only since she got pregnant, and since she's had this, going to have this baby that she feels different.
[SPEAKER_01]: She always felt that way too, like I welcomed that, I might as well just be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the baby's given her some hope, and she said, I hope she'll look like her father, and I want to be there to watch her grow up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Dax shows up and says, hey, more people have arrived, more people are kind of believing in you, and they've shown up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the Epirant shows up, he's got red veins now.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks really bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: His name also sounds like a nasal spray brand.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Epirant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take some Epirant right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about Nora, Epirant?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nora?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nora, Epirant, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he said, uh, he canceled his death for Bashir, um, and that's huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is really looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they talk about, they welcome it and he wanted just to go to Trevian and be done, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That it all gets the tough guy, the tough guy, the tough dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's going to give Bashar a shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So another time passage moment, and Bashar is giving a chorea three-millogram injection and explaining what she needs to do, and she goes to give it to everyone in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks Epirin has given him what he needed to help figure out an antigen, but Epirin's getting worse, and he and Dax talk for a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says he likes Dax the spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: keeps repeating himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not saying he likes you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He likes you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He likes her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy, I totally saw that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he just keeps repeating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, he's in that to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He totally handed that to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: On a flat or actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was silver.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was solid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sterling it was highly polished platter to death of you Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'd love you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax says Apprentice further along than the others.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's just not turning a corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think and They're hopeful about this antigen.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're hopeful about the drug But they say you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not tell everybody that we've found a cure until we're sure and Dax tells Julian
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, take a break, you've been working nonstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he steps outside, warms his hands by the fire pit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a choreo comes out and tells Beshear that Dax said, Apprentice White Bloodstone Count is up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything's looking good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sounds good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he tells her, you know what you're good with patience, and she says, well, I was just trying to be kind.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wonders why he does this, why he's a doctor, and he says, you know, he'd prefer to confront death instead of accepted and try to chase it away for another day, and the story tells us sort of the teddy bear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which he so sweet, I love how he tells the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does it so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a great story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he was visualizing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great name, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really good name.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the cat name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is the cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's so great.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great backstory on this year to know like when, like he's wanted to be a doctor since he was a kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kukilaka.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Performed his first surgery, patched him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Acoria asks, where's Coocalocken now, but your says, oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe some closet somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he gives him a lock and he's like, okay, it's on the shelf in my room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He still loves that bear.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then Dax runs out and calls for Julian something is wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, it was too good to be true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, kind of had a feeling something like this would happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has to, it's not far enough in the show for example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're done and there's no B story line happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, which is, I wish there had been, would have been helpful, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially with the time jumps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would have helped just to,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what we're used to, and that might have been the missing element that we're all used to showing the time jump is literally jumping from the A story line to the B story line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we assume time has passed, and without that, it's really, I can understand what that would make it super challenging for Renee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Epirin's in agony.
[SPEAKER_01]: The virus is mutating.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's begging for help.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sheer realizes it's the EM fields from our instruments.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the technology that they've brought that is interacting with this antigen.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole room starts writhing and pain.
[SPEAKER_01]: They shut them all the
[SPEAKER_01]: all the equipment off, but up and dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: But sure is doing CPR, furiously trying to bring him back to life, Dax says, stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what Trevian arrives, Trevian sees his boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives her his poison, she dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's more screaming, and Bashir is just left in the room and shock.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just... Poor guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor Bashir are going through these ups and downs and having people's lives in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's like...
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some time passes again, but she just feels enormous guilt here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, he saw changes in the base person sequence when he was doing his research.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have known that was the clue that the EM feels would have reacted that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he catches himself in a mistake, even though it was not a, you know, an obvious mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he catches it in hindsight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax does say, it's not a crime to believe in yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: You thought you had found an answer, but she says the Dominion made sure that this was uncurable, that it's impossible to fix this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he admits that he was arrogant, I think he could do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax says, it's even more arrogant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really important for a solid friend to be this straightforward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that it, you know, that she says it's even more arrogant to think that there wasn't a cure just because you weren't the one to find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, that was a great distinction and a great perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of my favorite moments, just ideas and full episodes, like.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a little painful, because you can imagine how gut-wrenching that must have been for
[SPEAKER_01]: that's a part of the story I wish it had been explored more is the idea of ego and I've got to be the hero and kind of self-centering yourself in other people's problems rather than realizing that
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not God, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his character has had that issue since the get go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why this line was so important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, powerful, really well written to help his character see a blind spot in how he views the world and himself in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and typically Dex Dex doesn't serve as a reality check in prior episodes, but in this episode she really is she's just there to say hey, this is the deal played in simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the deal sometimes she is, but it's this is very powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very much is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's she's not usually so.
[SPEAKER_00]: um, exacting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is precise.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just so crystal clear and I love that they put this idea at the very end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's perfectly placed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the idea because for the audience, you kind of go, oh my god, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he thinks if he can't do it, the no-one can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you're not really hearing that until she says that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it shifts how he moves through it
[SPEAKER_01]: 100% yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're back in the town.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's walking through the streets.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are really not happy to see him now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not just ignoring him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an outcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just wandering people kind of mumbling and talking about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he ends up in front of that mural that a choreo talked about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a chore is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks him says, you gave me hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she
[SPEAKER_01]: And we cut up to the runabout, and he says, he's telling Kira and Dax, I'm going to stay basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira says, okay, well, call the station and we'll be here within days.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is an open ended.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's committed to going down there and doing whatever it takes to go eat something.
[SPEAKER_03]: but he's also risking his life.
[SPEAKER_03]: When he was walking through that ruined town, he comes up against the mural, I kept hearing travians words, and guess what?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you give false promises, your death is gonna be worse than if you had the plight.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought, why is he walking around right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna get stoned any second, but yeah, he's risking his life, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny, I was thinking about the hero's journey model with storytelling just yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about it and thinking how,
[SPEAKER_01]: In the hero's journey, a character's old life has to die before they can experience change.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir is basically in the hero's journey here, kind of going, I'm going to stay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to my life on DS9 on the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is going to die for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: For as long as it takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: As long as it takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is that moment in that hero's journey, Ark, where he's going that old life of being the doctor on the station is gone, this is my life now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, could the death part could that also be the death of the initial attempts to find that cure with every feeling in that way, too?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's also the death of his ego.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're all on a hero's journey, because every time you reinvent yourself or you learn something, change about yourself, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do become a different person and sometimes even our friend groups change as we evolve because of that too, yeah, well many times, I mean that happens, yeah, I mean not all of your friends, you know what I'm saying, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we cut back down to the planet and there's Bashir beaming down with lots of cases of supplies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the button of that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's story beat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's Bashir about the camp out for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be here for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inside the house, Victoria is now getting sicker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bashir is doing things the old fashioned way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Concocting, you know, beakers and burners and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says her immune system is rejected, the latest antibody, and she's getting worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another time pass is in place, but she's cooking this staff, and he's checking her vital, says the baby's probably going to be here in about six weeks, and she's really getting worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, I won't make it that long, and he agrees he can induce labor in two weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like how they even had him use that old instrument to look at the baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a deathless goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: A deathless goat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But pre-stuff us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It almost looks like one of those old fashioned like a hearing shot glass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: One's announced.
[SPEAKER_00]: One's two ounces.
[SPEAKER_00]: My grandparents had one of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got the deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So hip.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to go to your bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they agreed two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like the clock is ticking for poor accord here, another time passage, he's putting the sav he's been making on to her lesions and her veins, her veins, her veins, her veins doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: For being doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I was like, oh, God.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is he doing there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't let Dr. Kovorkian enter.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, Traveens doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he offers to end her suffering and that the baby will never suffer
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wants a baby to have a shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: The baby, baby to have a shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bashir arrives.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like his comment about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know you made house calls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trveen thought that maybe she was so bad off that she couldn't come find him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just went to check.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he is being kind.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both being, you know, both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Reveen and Bashir are doing what they believe is kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what Eccoria said.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just trying to be nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go another time passage in the same place.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's now giving birth to the baby Was horrifying at first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god when she was screaming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like is she die?
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that she was giving birth right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also because she sat up in the bed Yeah, I'm like you can't give birth that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm not up
[SPEAKER_01]: expert on that, but that is not a typical way that you see someone sitting up in bed giving birth.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't write it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're helping our push.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a C section.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still had a push, but I didn't have any of that drama.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was laughing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't feel anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: These time jumps are definitely confusing because now you're supposed to realize it's two weeks later.
[SPEAKER_03]: and the birth is happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's when she comes up, you're like, is she dying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is she, oh, she's giving birth.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's now two weeks later.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a stabbing pain of the quickening.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was stabbing pain of giving birth.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a birth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was weird after two, I got just to say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Several things in this show having to do with the medical.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll go specifically with the birth.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've watched so many medical shows now in our time now in the 21st century that is really hard to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: How short and truncated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he said, push without breath, without...
[SPEAKER_00]: It just felt like this was written by somebody who's never seen an actual woman giving birth.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it just felt so off-putting to me after watching real medical shows, while medical shows where they're more driven, like the latest Noah Wiley one, where they are just more about procedural,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the reality, the reality, the...
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the reality, the medical process, like there's steps to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This felt very truncated and like, wait, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in a TV show and she's having a baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not, we're watching a baby being born.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just felt to inaccurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that if there had been a B story and you could have even quick cut back and forth, then the time jumps wouldn't have felt so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what a help time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look like it's going quickly to and things are happening that would help have some momentum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the baby is born and Bashir realizes that the baby is blight free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no veins.
[SPEAKER_01]: The antibodies he realizes were all absorbed through the placenta placenta placenta.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a talent in California.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The placenta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not through.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank goodness for the placenta.
[SPEAKER_03]: All the antigen went from the gamma quadrant to the alpha quadrant in placenta, California, where it was its orbit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that's where placenta came from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably from placenta.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were a lot of births.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of births there, so that's all the placenta.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, placenta, that's too dead on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, let's make, let's have fun with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll go with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also felt bad for Ellen Wheeler in this scene
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're that the baby is fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at it for a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly, she's up and down.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she, but also, while looking for second, be super happy because she was super happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very long second.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the true professional that Eleanor is, she dies with her face towards camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, very, very hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so populous.
[SPEAKER_00]: She knows how to walk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she was on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unrealistic journey.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: We made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then what happens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then Bashir at the at the hospital with everybody explains that this vaccine is going to save all the new born children.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Trevian is in awe here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's so related.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says, I'll show you how to make it, how to administer it, you can make it yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Trevian says, this will, this will not be hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: This will be a privilege.
[SPEAKER_01]: grateful and emotional, like in these short little scenes that are jumping without any great transitions, but they're capturing some great story moments and performances.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I liked about Trevians transformation was it really made you see how he lost hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just lost hope so he was doing the best he could with what he had.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this you could see it even made him seem younger when he was he was just so relieved like
[SPEAKER_00]: like it was a miracle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a miracle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very moving.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say I like how at the very end after Bashir hands over the baby to Trevian.
[SPEAKER_03]: Trevian lifts up the baby as if the lion king, you know, shows everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that everyone's like have that good.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a good moment at the very end.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great shot, because it was on a crane arm, I could tell it was, and it flew over the crowd as people are gathering to see the baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: It pulled them up, and then it pushed his past.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my gosh, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pushes into Bashir, watching from a distance.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a very effective moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the infirmary, back on DS9, and Bashir is working still.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still working on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're not just the preventative vaccine, but a cure for the people that are still alive and suffering.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco arrives and steps into the doorway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be sure and be sure says, you know, there's still people dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's kind of an awkward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Silent moment and Cisco leaves and be sure sits down and gets back to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: re-shuffling and initiate re-shuffling sequence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this last scene honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like they had shot these pieces of coverage in a different day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel like they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had been shot together.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: it felt like they could have shot maybe shot this in the first scene to shoot Avery out so he could go to New York it almost seemed like it was shot before the whole show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was filmed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you get that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Something was disconnected about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You never saw a shot of Avery and said in the same shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have shot this on different days different time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the two shot didn't work or they didn't have enough time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It did not pull me out as much as it did for you, though, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just thought it was very bitter sweet that, look, look at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still trying his last lines are initiate resuffling sequences, trying again, still very bitter sweet for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought Sid was really good in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I thought Avery was a bit disconnected.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I wonder if they were shot on different days.
[SPEAKER_01]: bittersweet and kind of sad, you know, he can't celebrate his win because it's not a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he hasn't completely got in the message about the ego and you can understand the pain of not being able to cure everybody or make the vaccine for everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but he
[SPEAKER_00]: is created.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has created a new generation possibly of healthy people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will take a long time, no, for those babies to get big enough to have babies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a long time coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, this is such a divergence from what we're used to in Star Trek episodes, which is they always find a cure.
[SPEAKER_03]: This one he couldn't find it which is what makes this episode strong because it is like real life You know sometimes you can't get get what you want you just can't so yeah, all right well We did it guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to the end of this Let's talk about theme lesson moral for this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you have?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down sometimes a partial solution is better than those solution at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for all of us it's a good lesson, we can't always have outcomes that are perfect in our minds, but you know, one step forward is better than nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's important to celebrate our wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: even, it's not so different than what you're saying, but it celebrate the win.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a huge win what he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: So celebrate the wins and drop in your ego.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so hard for all of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a constant job for the rest of your life, but it's imperative to get a bigger picture is to drop your ego and be grateful whatever contribution you can give.
[SPEAKER_03]: There, my is, choose humility over arrogance in all that you do and say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think Terry has the Patreon poll winner for less and theme more of this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is submitted by Chris Hansen.
[SPEAKER_00]: True arrogance is thinking there is no solution just because you couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The line from the episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: The power of all the taxes line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we have come to the end of our episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you to Terry for joining us again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Terry, and thanks for that great hat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how you said Canada.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're too amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friend Amanda's daughter made this for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, last year for my, I think the last year for my birthday, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be a Star Trek costume.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be like some planet could have that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an alien.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have this human here.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a rainbow alien.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has a little house in a rainbow hair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's a it's a great looking for those of you listening to the podcast and not viewing it another reason to become a patrons subscriber you can look at this beautiful gorgeous knit.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you want to we say what do we say it's like a beanie we say beanie us took in Canada so it's gorgeous really yeah okay.
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