[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never forget that listener who said, I'm, I told my film school professor about this and he said, you guys are so wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Reketopia, a happy home for Reketmetted movies, TV shows, music, video games, foodstuffs, and more from three people you can definitely trust, trustability varies by region no guarantees implied.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Ian Dyson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Rectopia episode 190, and our final episode of Rectopia Ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Chris Akinson, joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: and joined by Aaron Dicer and a dog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, you know, uh, anyway, once again a welcome chat who have come out here to watch us talk about movies one more time on a Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, welcome you guys out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for for coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably a few more than usual.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say because they know it's our last one and we appreciate you guys today's big recommend is Matchstick men can't wait to get into that one and Let's start off with our small recommends
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so small and light.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's petite.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_00]: I, um, last week, uh, was flipping channels as I am want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And came across, um, the descendants, uh, George Clooney movie by Alexander Payne.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, uh, it's one of his better films, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly one of my favorite of his films.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it demonstrates, uh, again.
[SPEAKER_00]: How good he is at using places, locations, to not only immerse you in the story, but like even underscore some of the themes, like here we have Hawaii and we've got this beautiful scenery in the background of this heartache that this family is going through, but it's
[SPEAKER_00]: It also comes back into play by the end of the film because Clooney's part of a trust of cousins who own a bunch of land, then they're about to sell it and get really rich.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of those themes and his decision at the end are sort of mirroring what's been going on throughout the film.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing a man whose wife is in a coma, has got it an accident on a boat, and they're about to pull the plug as per her will.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the film is him going around with his daughters telling friends and family, it's time to come say goodbye.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, he just fell out his wife was cheating on him and he's trying to find the guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that's really all I would tell you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a really charming, heartwarming story that has some laugh out loud moments, especially
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you would think a typical stone or but ends up having some really priceless moments?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember where I saw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see the descendant.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a great radio.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on HBO.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, so there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: The descendants are really, really love this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen it in a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I feel like this was just was like a launching pad for someone who is going to have a huge career in Shaling Woodley.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's kind of died down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's kind of happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: to her, maybe she's priming herself for a comeback, but man, that was just a tremendous, I don't know if it was debut, but it was the first time I had ever seen her.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what she said.
[SPEAKER_00]: She dated Aaron Rodgers for a better part of a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that works too.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yes, everything he touches dies apparently.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I love the descendants.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is one of my favorite movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I, in my brain, anytime I, I want a little smile, I can just imagine George Clooney running across the streets of Hawaii.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, no, it's just, it's flip flops, it just always makes me laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love when the grandpa says to the stoner boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hate you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then pops a word of face, so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Aaron, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_04]: Boy, I had trouble picking between two movies that I absolutely adored, and just as I was thinking, I'll save the other one for next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remembered there that I won't be able to save the other one for next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what I won't be small recommending today is wake up dead man.
[SPEAKER_04]: It will make me feel better.
[SPEAKER_04]: not be recommending one of the most incredible ensemble casts I've ever seen doing some of the most incredible fun comedy work I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I won't be recommending possibly the most potent take down of Christian nationalism I've ever seen in a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why you're not recommending that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I won't recommend.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be an error.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: What I will be recommending is train dreams.
[SPEAKER_04]: Both of these, by the way, Netflix movies, train dreams already out, wake up dead man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think as in theaters this week and then we'll be out in a couple of weeks on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_04]: Train dreams blew me away and the reason I landed on focusing on this one is because I think it's one of those movies that can easily go under the radar.
[SPEAKER_04]: for a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_04]: It stars Joel Ederton, Felicity Jones, Will Patton, Kerry Condon, and an absolute bravera performance from William H. Macy, who I just think is incredible in this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he should be nominated.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he will be nominated for Best Supporting Actor.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's so good in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is one of those movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: that sucks you into just the reality of its characters, it takes you through the good, the bad, the very bad, the traumatic, and allows you to live with them enough that when it's when you start to feel like the humanity that's going on in this, you just start to feel like these characters are, uh,
[SPEAKER_04]: So important to you like it gives you that empathy in in a way that great movies do This follows this man in the I'm gonna say From the later 19th century to the mid 20th century his entire life is in this movie and
[SPEAKER_04]: you get such a sense for how crazy it must have been to be a human being born into the technology of the mid-1800s and live to see people on the moon in the mid-1900s.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's that kind of stuff in it that is almost secondary to the primary stuff, which is just about how to find what the beauty of life really is.
[SPEAKER_04]: The final scene in
[SPEAKER_04]: It really played to my love of the idea of optimism, not being ignoring the trauma or the bad, but in understanding that it's the focus and how you view things that allows you to find the beauty even amongst the trauma.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, I did this movie blew me away, so I had to give it a big recommend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna ask you a question as the only person on this panel I'll believe that can answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that title work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not it doesn't work from the outside
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think it's one of those titles that you have to see the moving to understand why it's called that probably.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it has on its face this man worked on the railroads and that impacted his life in such a way that he deals with actual nightmares.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, there's an actual part of this movie in a very literal sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: of what the movie says then it's it works that way too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just on title alone I assumed it was hoop dreams, but for conductors.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I have too many words.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me start again.
[SPEAKER_02]: 15-year-old conductors in inner city Chicago and hoping that the the can find someone who's really good at it, but oh, man, the the the the the the the price of fame of being a great conductor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I had you'll see you'll hear this in the outtakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had an incredibly crazy time trying to come up with a small recommend for this final episode that we're doing today And I was I thought for sure I would I out of the six movies that I saw on the past week
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be able to say, hey, one of them's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, nope, it just did just never materialize.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to something easy, something that I haven't seen in a long time, that I knew for a fact that I would like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to recommend today.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's Wallace and Gromant and Curse of the Wear Rabbit.
[SPEAKER_02]: This movie came out in 2005 and was a shining light in that year that I've always considered the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've never seen Wallace and Grammett do yourself a favor and find the wrong trousers and the very shorts will come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, I noticed that there were, you can't find the shorts on streaming, at least not in the United States, but you can't find this movie and the one that came out last year on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so if you've never seen this, go for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this story is a, is a Walson Grommet have a, have a sort of an extermination quote unquote service,
[SPEAKER_02]: help the town with their rabbit problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's got these vegetables that they're growing for this huge, like, contest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they have hired them as sort of the rabbit cops in this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in any time, there's like something that there's an alarm that goes off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They immediately like firemen go out to somebody's house and like take the rabbit.
[SPEAKER_02]: out of the situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, they are humane service, so they're just keeping the rabbits as pets, basically in their basement the entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other story to this is Wallace's way too fat and Grommet wants to start feeding him vegetables.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Wallace creates an invention that it's supposed to suck out all the the need for fatty foods.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he
[SPEAKER_02]: And then at some point, there's a plot convergence here where they think that the best way to make the rabbits not want to eat the vegetables is to strap them to this machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, what happens as a result is this giant rabbit is going around terrorizing the neighborhood and destroying all the vegetables.
[SPEAKER_02]: to tell you any more would be a crime and so you should watch this movie on your own if you have never seen it or have I mean if you've never seen a walls and grommet you can start with any of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't really matter which one you watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a great one to start with so highly recommend this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: it is so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love the sense of humor that Arden brings to all its movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very word play forward, very reference forward things that I adore and I love and forward cheese forward.
[SPEAKER_04]: like any good dish, keep you alive longer, eat that cheese reference to the outtakes you'll get it someday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: But this is a great one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is one of the best artmen films.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think like chicken run better.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think chicken run is probably my favorite.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but man, if you haven't seen like a Sean the sheep movie, uh, that's really good.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I think streaming there if you want to check that out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even the one my least favorite was like, uh, the Pirates, uh, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's still fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's still a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what was the Pirate one?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like it's called, let me look it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's called Pirates.
[SPEAKER_04]: And see, I have the Pirates exclamation point in an adventure with scientists exclamation point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of that at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll need to watch that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also like flushed away quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, flushed away is really fun too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so yeah, I just, I cannot recommend there's stuff enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: flushed away is just,
[SPEAKER_00]: came out in the shadow of Ratatouille, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was that the problem?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might have come out before Ratatouille.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you know, at that time, if you know Pixar is coming out with an animated rat movie, it's going to have a lot more of your attention than this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, onto our big recommend, which is Matt Stickman and its Jeremy's choice, so Jeremy, take it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine, I'm fine, it's just that you're so big.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so huge, it's a good rule, but it's bigger than rules.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bigger on the inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Stickman, this is one of those where every now and then, for Rectopia, I will, uh, if I think my wife might enjoy a movie, I'll send her the trailer and say, take, do you want to watch this one with me while I...
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to research for the show, and this time she did, and as soon as it had it, she said, that was outstanding, and it made me really, really happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Match Dickman is a 2003 con man comedy drama about Roy Waller played by Nicholas Kate, who has some ticks and obsessive compulsive disorder.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot to mention this synopsis will be a little shorter than traditional because we're trying to save some room for those grievances Chris mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy, it is part of Frank played by Sam Rockwell, run cons for a living, specifically a con involving a water filtration system and phony sweepstakes prizes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We repeatedly see him interact awkwardly with a cashier at the local grocery that he clearly likes.
[SPEAKER_00]: On day after Rory knocks his medication down the drain, he spirals and spends days cleaning his apartment until Frank comes over and suggests he visit a new psychiatrist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Frank makes the appointment for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: The new therapist, Dr. Klein, insists that Roy actually do therapy before giving him any pills, and he gets him talking about his ex-wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually he does give Roy a new medication he calls prefects, and it gets Roy back to normal in short time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy ends up calling his ex-wife, but can't bring himself to speak, so then he later asks Dr. Klein to call her for him,
[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be really unprofessional, but Dr. Klein decides to do it, and that's when he learns that Roy has a 14-year-old daughter named Angela, played by Alice in Loma.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Klein encourages Roy to make contact with the girl, and as he's doing so, we see him move a chest piece on his chest board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy meets up with Angela, and it goes incredibly well, and he is so filled with bigger he decides to do a long con with Frank that Frank has been bugging him for a long time to
[SPEAKER_00]: They plan to steal from Chuck, a wealthy businessman by engaging him in an illegal currency swap that somehow benefits both parties.
[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually, screw him over by swapping out the final briefcase.
[SPEAKER_00]: Angela shows up at Roy's house and asks to stay there for you four few days because she's had to fight with her mother and Roy agrees.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over this time they argue but then start bonding as he agrees to teach her how to con someone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Takes Angela along with him to visit his safety deposit box and even gives her signature approval.
[SPEAKER_00]: But does not give her the passcode or let her see the contents of the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: They even go bowling together as she had once suggested.
[SPEAKER_00]: While bowling, Frank calls Roy to tell him that Chuck's flight has been bumped up, and they have to finish the con today, right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy doesn't have any time to take Angela anywhere and just takes her with him to the con.
[SPEAKER_00]: He even gives her a small role to play as a distraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: After the con and the parking garage, Rory and Angela are confronted by a very pissed off chuck, and a big chase in Sue's, but Rory gets away.
[SPEAKER_00]: They meet up at the rendezvous with Frank, and that's where they learn that Angela has been arrested before, and will be a face and fingerprints known to the police.
[SPEAKER_00]: He drops Angela off telling her never to call him again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alone, Roy's fears and ticks start growing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when he runs out of his meds and goes to the pharmacy to beg for more pills, he learns they were a placebo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he confronts Dr. Klein and Roy is told that his psychosis isn't even all that serious and he doesn't need medication.
[SPEAKER_00]: Klein also tells Roy he knows that he's a criminal, but Roy defends himself by saying he doesn't steal
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, Rory reaches out to Angela again and they start hanging out.
[SPEAKER_00]: After a dinner, they come home to find a beaten Frank, and a gun-holding truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, he's still angry about that money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Angela is told to fetch some money from the ceramic dog, which we know she's seen before and we know contains a gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure enough, she returns to the room, pointing the gun at Chuck, and eventually shoots him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Frank says he doesn't think Chuck's gonna make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Roy Panics and has Frank take Angela off to a remote motel to wait for him while he tries to get rid of the body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Only once he goes back inside, the body is gone and Roy is knocked unconscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he comes to, he's in a rather large hospital room and is immediately confronted by two law enforcement agents.
[SPEAKER_00]: to man to know when Frank and Angela are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know Angela pulled the trigger, due to fingerprints.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chuck is dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy says that he was the shooter and he declines to talk further unless he gets to talk to his therapist, which is a very strange request.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the agents reluctantly agreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Roy tells Dr. Klein his past code for the safety deposit box, instructing him to give the code to Angela so that she can get the cash and run away forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: After some time passes, Roy is very hot and begins calling for someone to turn him on the EEC.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually stumbling out of bed, and out of the room, only to realize he's in a fake hospital room on the roof of an abandoned building.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has been caught.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes to Klein's office and light Michael Douglas in the game finds it empty with no trace of the previous business.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes to the bank and finds his box empty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And back at home, he finds a letter from Frank inside the dog confessing to having long conned Roy out of all his money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy goes to the place where he's been dropping Angela off and his ex-wife does actually live there, which always surprises me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he asks to see Angela, only to realize Angela was not his daughter and was in on the con, and he does not even have a daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: One year later, Roy is a carpet salesman, which is a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently still.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a young couple enters the store looking for a rug and surprise, it's the director of critically acclaimed former big recommend, mass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and also Angela.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy doesn't reveal what he knows about her and they even get to share a private conversation where they both remember the good times they had together and she reveals to Frank, or she reveals that Frank screwed her out of her cut of the con anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy tells her not to feel sorry because she didn't take it, he gave it to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the final sequence, we see Roy return home, free of anxiety and ticks, as he snuggles up behind the cute cashier, who was now pregnant with what I assume is Roy's child.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is Matchstick men, gentlemen.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen it since it came out, and I'm pretty sure that I loved it even then.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that, for whatever reason, it's one of those movies that
[SPEAKER_02]: slipped through the cracks of being a second viewing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that works, but anyway, I was glad to return to this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a movie you can pick on all three of the leads here as great life.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are all doing something different and unusual that you can
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say Sam Rockwell is like an all-time cad in every movie like now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's gotten to this point now though.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I had never seen this movie before, I would have probably guessed the the surprise of all of this well beforehand because he's been that guy for a really long time now,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but he, I just, I love Sam Rockwell.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does this kind of thing better than anybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nicholas Cage is doing what we expect Nicholas Cage to do, but it's kind of rained in slightly like enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: where it's not just, you know, you're not going there to see some some wacky wild Nicholas Cage performance, but he does manage to pull it off especially in the the pharmacy scene, which is just an absolute fantastic part of that movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Allison Loman, who's like 23 years old when she when she does this movie, very believable as a 14-year-old all the way through.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I believe this is how she auditioned and Ridley Scott didn't even know how old she was when she did this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's crazy how good how good she is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know if it's a contrivance, but I still like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the fact that this is, this is his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Nicholas Cage's life throughout this movie is that he is extremely good at counting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's obviously successful at it, but his life sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, it's one of those things where
[SPEAKER_02]: his life sucks and man if only something were to happen to uh keep him from cunning anymore he could probably get on with his life basically is what it comes down to and
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it does seem kind of like a big contrivence at the end where, you know, we've been seeing him interact with the grocery store girl this whole time and then, like, uh, he gets robbed, which should be like the biggest, like the biggest thing that's ever happened in his life, something that's so devastating that he can never recover from it, but it actually turns out to be the biggest, like, positive in his life that he got robbed of blind because now he can have like a legit life.
[SPEAKER_02]: and and you know he's yeah he's a carpet salesman but he's probably good at that since he's a you know since he's a good con man now he's got the wife with the kid and it's like oh this is what I always wanted the entire time and I don't have these ticks anymore and all that it's like
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's one of those things where it's like, ah, okay, that this movie is a way to have be ending for this character.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, it works for what it's doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can get down with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really can.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the end, this is a fun, but con movies are always seemed to be always fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just like I just feel like these, you just see all the different one different things that they're pulling and all the things that they're thinking about beforehand, I love that whole thing where he's telling him I need to be facing and I need to be sitting in this one park.
[SPEAKER_02]: and you need to make sure that that's available to me and he kind of comes in and Bruce McGill is sitting sitting in the spot where he's supposed to be sitting could see that level of annoyance and everything but it's so important to pull this thing off.
[SPEAKER_02]: How is he supposed to whip around and get the briefcase when you know when he's not being able to sit in that spot?
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but all these little things that they're thinking about that that have to have to be implemented into the con for it to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this type of thing that I loved about dirty rotten scoundrels, especially where there's this whole like, you know, maybe this isn't for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to do this blah, blah, blah, that type of thing that keeps going through these cons where it's like, like, and wouldn't, wouldn't someone who's really eager to
[SPEAKER_02]: like doing that whole like I'm you know that that was the thing they do with Bruce McGill is like well maybe this isn't for you or whatever and then he's that that's when they get more money out of him and and everything you appeal to somebody's ego enough and whatever so I love all the I love seeing all the things that go into the cons and everything they're really fun so yeah in the end love this movie glad you glad you recommend it
[SPEAKER_04]: I like this movie quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Love it as much as you guys do, but it is really fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Final episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is just, this is beyond the pale.
[SPEAKER_04]: Aaron, you're really not.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, you didn't love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't love it, love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, I really have a good time with this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's really fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the performances are amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: You mentioned Allison Loman, who I think is the standout for me in this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just think she's,
[SPEAKER_04]: incredible like the the charisma she has on screen to play both of the character she plays one of them she only plays for you know a couple minutes at the end or whatever and to have them both be so complete and so interesting um yeah it's it's it's really really good stuff I think Nicholas Caged and caged Nicholas uncaged as he later became is a Nicholas caged at this part of his career
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's interesting for me to think of Nick Cage, kind of a little bit like Pacino.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's like Pacino entered this level where he just became the caricature.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think sometimes Nicholas Cage has become the caricature of himself in movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's kind of interesting to see them at those crossing points.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think this is one of those crossing points for him before he really went full cage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's funny that a set of a woman really is what got Al Pacino to start doing that a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had done it before, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd always had those, like, moment of Albert, you know, and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, set of a woman he won an Oscar for it, which is funny because Cage won his for probably one of the most muted before, even though he's, you know, really good in leaving Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, he, he went on to start, like, I want to do all this crazy stuff after leaving Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what I appreciate about Cades in this movie, I'm sorry, I didn't interrupt any of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's how he is able to
[SPEAKER_00]: dial up and down the physical and verbal ticks based on where his character is in the story, like as he starts bonding with his quote unquote daughter, that stuff starts to fade away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think especially since most movies are shot completely out of sequence, it's worth pointing out that he does a really good job taking that up and down based on where his character is in the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you're good.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I agree, I think he does a fabulous job.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember watching this time I remembered my first watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, and sometimes that'll happen where time is passing off that you kind of forget, what you thought the first time through.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember that I was a little bit peaved at the twist at the big twist at the ending, because I felt like it messed some stuff up for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not just on a plot structure level, there is some contrivance there and a little bit of that like, let's talk about the villain's plan thing where it's like, is this intricate of plan really necessary to get all of it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Once she's in and she's got his password, like, don't you can't you just go take it?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: But she doesn't get the password.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't get the password.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, there's a whole scene where he says, I won't give it to you until I dead or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I wonder if that was the initial plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that he would be, you know, sort of, he would be, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Loose with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they didn't get to that point.
[SPEAKER_04]: But they have his therapist set up before that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: The therapist is interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we send this movie, the plan that Sam Rockwell has is got all sorts of mistakes at errors.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No doubt.
[SPEAKER_04]: But mostly, it did one of those things, not the movies fault.
[SPEAKER_04]: My fault.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did one of those things where
[SPEAKER_04]: I was getting to an end that I was really looking forward to, which was that this would be more, this is a terrible example because there are definitely different movies, but more of a moneyball kind of father-daughter kind of realizing your priorities kind of ending, and it's still in a roundabout way tries to get there, but because she was in on it, that left a really bad taste in my mouth.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember watching it the first time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now watching at this time,
[SPEAKER_04]: knowing who always in on it the whole time.
[SPEAKER_04]: I actually think I liked it a little better than the first time.
[SPEAKER_04]: The first time I came out with a bad taste in my mouth, this time I got to kind of see the movie for what it's trying to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what it's presenting to me, not my preconceived, you know, here's how I wanted to go kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, this is a really fun movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Love the performances.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I do have a couple questions, I think Jeremy you would be great to talk about these questions dealing with like mental health and stuff is Nick Cage does he have anxiety does he have actual ticks does he have
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, or is the placebo teaching him that that stuff was just stuff that was, you know, his own making or his own doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's a kind of a treacherous path to kind of go into movies prepared to wrestle with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't trust anything that therapist says because he's a bad guy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when he says, you know, you don't need medication, that's not, I don't think we can trust that as a,
[SPEAKER_00]: a trained opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, he gives him placebo and it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know, and I think placebo, one of the scariest things in the entire world when you start diving into how powerful they can actually be because studies show even when people know they're being given a placebo, it often works.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the movie,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's trying to grapple with any of that, but I would ultimately conclude that a lot of it was based on what you were talking about about Chris about how this is not the life that he wants to lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's manifesting from that, I believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as he gets closer to the life he knows he should be living, it starts to fade away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, it's just a Hollywood interpretation of someone who has issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not, I don't think they're diagnosing anything in particular here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just need Nicholas Cage to have something that goes on with him throughout the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I were to armchair psychiatrists, this movie that is armchair psychiatring, it would just be that he is, yeah, exactly getting back to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is so meticulous about what he does that any error could cause a, you know, a problem of some sort.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why he does that at the house like make sure that the door is going to have open and close three times and make sure that the carpet doesn't have any threads coming out of it and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all part of everything that he does as far as Connie is concerned once you start.
[SPEAKER_02]: once you start fretting about any kind of mistakes that you can make that's where that sort of comes in or whatever but again that's armchair psychiatry there I mean that's for people who actually have that OCD or whatever you know it's it's probably a variety of things that's the cause
[SPEAKER_00]: an article a year or so ago that basically said for several decades the CIA considered anxiety a superpower basically and tried to hire all the anxious people they could because they they make the best spies because they're concerned about every single fucking detail and they're going to avoid all the time yeah stopped doing that maybe hopefully because
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, finding the difference between hypervigilance and anxiety is probably the like you can be hypervigilant and not having anxiety But most people who have anxiety I would imagine have some level of hypervigilance.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the other thing I wanted to say is I do like
[SPEAKER_04]: This time through, because I didn't really see it last time through, what the movie is saying about his escape.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, his escape was not going to be doing one last big con, like he thought it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: His escape was actually to be destroyed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that was his actual way out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's...
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really interesting because what movies usually do is they want to bring you to the euphoria of one last job, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And the movie pretends to do that and takes you in what I think is a more or less hypocritical way, a more honest way of, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you're in the con business, the way out is, you know, to be destroyed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whether that's being caught or being coned in this case.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, alright.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on to our Super Secret Double Feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be very, very quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Secret, watch secret.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do our little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aaron, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a couple.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a couple too, but the one I landed on, and maybe I'll talk about the other one after we hear yours.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the one I landed on was Cajilian air.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now this is a movie that is flown way under the radar, I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is a movie starring Evan Rachel Wood as the child of two con artists, Richard Jenkins and Deborah Winger play her parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I remember this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, this was just, yeah, this was prime pandemic movie like this came out in 2020.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and, uh, Gina Rodriguez is in here as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Divine Joy Randolph is in here as well, um, who's since won an Oscar, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Didn't to divine get her Oscars.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one for the, uh, the holdovers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so, uh, a really great cast doing really great work.
[SPEAKER_04]: The reason I landed on this one is there is a parent child dynamic in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: that I found very similar to what was going on in matchstick men, and the con stuff is a little less fun in a little more rounded in the darkness of it, although there is the, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: It's definitely humor here.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is definitely a calm calm.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what you're talking about, but it's definitely a comedy.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's kind of one of those modern rooted comedies where it's also authentic and goes into some stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have a convention of cons called con con.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, con con con con.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the con con.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you con con con con, yep, mine is another kind of straightforward one, but it's again, it has the father-daughter relationship and it's paper moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if have you guys ever seen paper moon?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Bogdanovich did this movie, it's Ryan O'Neill and Tatum O'Neill, and Ryan O'Neill picks up a girl at a funeral, I think it's his wife dies, he doesn't know whether or not it's his daughter or not, and he is planning on taking her across country to somebody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does a series of cons all the way through it and of course he finds out that she is very good at Conning people as well and one of the early ones that you see in the movie is she comes in to pay for something at a store And then she says I paid you with a 20 and you only gave me a change for a five or a 10 or something and the Clirk is like no you didn't blah, blah, blah, and
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you did, I gave you a 20 that had said happy birthday to my darling granddaughter on it or whatever and something that Ryan O'Neill paid with earlier in the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then they go back in and find, she goes back in and finds the 20 and that gives her change for the 20 instead of the 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you see the person on the register count through all the money and they're like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, but paper moons great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would I would call this a low-key small recommend by the way Paper moon if you have never seen it so nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's on my watch list.
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't gotten around to it yet, but man, what I that sounds like a perfect double feature Match that man the other one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking of was the apple TV plus one from last year called sharper.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of people
[SPEAKER_04]: missed Sebastian Stan, Julian Moore, John Lithgow, and it is a really intricate con person movie, and it reminded me of Blake.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the day when you'd have dirty rotten scoundrels or those kind of things, it's it's it's it's pretty smart I don't know if it's like a great great movie, but it's a it's a fun con watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, my other one was heist David Mammot movie that came out in the early 2000's where basically the movie could have just been called double cross the movie it's one of those things where it's like you just you think you know where it's going to end up and then like nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I knew this all along or this this is what I did the whole time or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they couldn't use that title because reindeer games was already called double cross the moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course again Spanish prisoner coming up again Spanish prisoner has a lot of elements in this, especially with all the the sheer volume of people that are involved in the con of one person throughout the entire thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: that popped up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I figured this would be a good time to mention.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Mel Gibson made triple cross the movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, triple cross.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which is passionate of the Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the right passion of the Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let your church hear that one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to go into our remaining questions that we have left, that we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we answered these six months ago, and we've been that we've had them for filler for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go ahead and get those done and then we'll open it up to chat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go on to questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the most 90s film ever?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got three on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, go is one of the most 90s films ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good goal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't hardly wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is another big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, starring, uh, this matchsticks men, matchsticks men, matchstick, matchstick men's Sheila Kelly singles is also on this on this list.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, singles is like that early 90s grunge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it didn't know how 90s it was at the time it came out, but it became one of the biggest 90s movies ever, uh, at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, and I don't think anybody wrote this down, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: I put either last action hero just feels so 90s to me because it goes from the the action of the 80s and it combines the meta-ness that was starting to creep in in the 90s and yeah so last action hero or hackers hackers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, almost anything computer, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the net.
[SPEAKER_00]: That girl from the bus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote down, uh, Empire Records, uh, 90s F movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually enjoy it after watching it, but it's 90s as a hell to me at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over in the chat, we've got nominations for the mummy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have Fight Club, and we have Clueless, which I totally agree with on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clueless is a big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Slab says the net virtuosity and hackers, those are all the computer technology stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might even want to throw disclosure in there with the, I think Jeremy always brings up the VR.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Shaggy says mall rats and tattoo says the matrix is 90s.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the 90s.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of these are 99, but they're still 90s.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no one's as off the space.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're very, very 90s movies for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on to the next question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are some of your favorite film scores you haven't talked much about?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I feel like I have brought this up before, but John Williams's JFK score is another one of those that kind of fits into that hole.
[SPEAKER_02]: you don't know it's John Williams, but you know you love it when you're listening to it and everything and you're just like, who did this?
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't sound like any of his Spielberg scores at all and it's a fantastic one and also Allen Sylvester's Predator score is one that's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can hear the tones back to the future in that predator score when you're watching it,
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... i put how to train your dragon uh... my i have talked about it but i don't think i talk about it enough as maybe a top five score like it is so good like when it when it kicks in it is uh... it's why i don't know if i like the new live action version or not because i watching it has the same score and i'm just like i love this so much uh... but uh... yeah that score is so good
[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of my favorite, not commonly known names, I don't think it's to movie buffs, it's Thomas Newman as a composer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he did Shawshank and American Beauty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he has a fairly signature.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of my favorite scores of his is Wally, especially that segment when Wally is flying through space with the fire extinguisher and it changes completely and gets just like delightfully awed by space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I really like Thomas Newman and Wally, I think, is a Pixar score that is probably top.
[SPEAKER_02]: Team three for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, over in the chat, no one says the score for deep red is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I can second that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tatsu says, core line is a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen core line in forever, so, but yeah, let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dream ballet, James says, the dream ballet from, I'm thinking of ending things as my favorite score of this decade, and it's not even close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lang says the nightmare before Christmas, that's a great one for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: J.C. seconds how to train your dragon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh says waves, I can totally agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that the score to waves quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bones and all mutant mayhem.
[SPEAKER_02]: aforementioned social network is and to create one for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, let's see, um, and then, uh, J.C. also brings up Apollo 13 on this, uh, let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to the last question we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, boy, it's a good thing we're ending this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or are we never be able to come up with any more questions?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the best original and remake our excellent examples that you can think of?
[SPEAKER_02]: And this one ties in pretty easily to something we've done.
[SPEAKER_02]: The wages of fear and sorcerer, you cannot go wrong with either one of those movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like sorcerer better, but the wages of fear is also fantastic and it's different from sorcerer too in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you haven't seen one or the other watch, why don't we watch both, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would go with the Pella Movies, taking a Pella one, two, three, interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love both of those movies for different reasons.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're very different movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: The original has perhaps my favorite ending of a movie ever, it's so good, and math I was so perfect in that moment, the book on space.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I would recommend those movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Denzel made five movies with Tony Scott and there's not a bad one in the bunch for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: My answer to this question is, Kate Fierre.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I finally went back and watched the original Kate Fierre, which I had never seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Robert Mitchum, because he plays the both of the leads play differently than your familiar with Nick Nolty and De Niro, but still a plus movie all the way through.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could watch those.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not one of them better than the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, over in the chat, we have, uh, slabs as the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And uh, it's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Josh, I like both versions of the movie Sabrina, and that's not exactly my genre, but good films is good films.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people hated that Harrison Ford remake back in the 90s, but I was very, I very much enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: And Josh's then there's that Iron Man remake called Big Hero 6.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said that's just for Dyser.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember that inside joke at all, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we have opened up the chat to questions here and the first one that I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And see, this is going to be tough too, because we didn't answer these pre, so to think of some of these, light off the top of our heads, it's going to be hard, I think, at times, but maybe we can come up with some answers.
[SPEAKER_02]: JC asked, if you had to pick your top three films from all of Reckitopia that you didn't recommend, what would you consider?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think just that we didn't get, I took it as just that we didn't get to recommend at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, one still on our list of, oh, if you're really fun to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I can answer that question all day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, I don't know if I can, but I got a list.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a list like 50.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have written down a list, but I never did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was always, when it was my turn, I would always be just go through sort of this kind of mental role decks of movies and it's not like it's not like that's a, you know, a formed list or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I think even though this movie is a popular movie or whatever, the hunt for a October would have been a fun one to do Uh, especially since, uh, I know Jeremy loves McTiernan and I love McTiernan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I'm not sure about Aaron Dysers Uh, you know, uh, but hunt for October was one that for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can think of some maybe some more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why you guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well,
[SPEAKER_00]: I should state that I've had this list since we started this show and every time it's my turn I go through the list and I Google to see if any of them are available for streaming and many of them have not been But this is not a list of like my favorite movies of all time because that's not how I approach this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the show like trying to discover
[SPEAKER_00]: trying to help you see things you haven't seen before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the three I would answer is the Melissa McCarthy movie, can you ever forgive me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is one of her only serious roles and I was really impressed with her in that movie and I don't think a lot of people have seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one I've got is I just found it Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alpha dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which we've talked about a lot but we'd never made an actual recommend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, oh, courage under fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Chris and I both look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, that would have been, that would have been one that I would have come up with later on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Courage under fire is definitely there for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys will have to help me a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't pull up the list and you know, I came into this Partway through the 190 episodes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if I say when you've already done,
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's, that's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exciting time, but I thought of the Revenant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did we do the Revenant?
[SPEAKER_04]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that would be a really interesting one to go back to and explore and detail.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tick tick boom was one that I thought would have been a lot of fun to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the one that
[SPEAKER_04]: that I would want to do maybe after a couple more years, like give it some time, would be conclave.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really think there's a lot of interesting discussion to be had watching that movie in detail.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that was one.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the chat mentioned one for me that was always right on the cusp of like, is this the big recommend I want to do which is swing kids, swing kids is one of my favorite movies and to make you guys watch that and talk about it with me would have been a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should let you guys know listeners and chat alike.
[SPEAKER_00]: You very nearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You came this close to this last episode being the big recommend of time cop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that movie, and I don't think enough people have seen it, but ultimately I could not bring myself to end the show on a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know is objectively not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I went with match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what have been fun though?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same thing goes for another one that I thought about was demolition man.
[SPEAKER_02]: What have been on
[SPEAKER_02]: One other that I thought of was after hours, the Martin Scorsese movie that came out in the 80s that isn't very not Scorsese, but like, but it would have been a fun one to go over.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's definitely in that list.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... no one says are you guys going to do a twenty twenty five year in review still no this is uh... we're just going to this is going to be the end and i i know i was sitting there thinking that to at one point but no we're not we're not we're not going to do the end uh... uh... twenty twenty five i'm sure
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys can follow here and I'm sure Aaron will have his own thing going for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess I would say, you know, sift pop, which is the the other podcast I have done is also on a little bit of a hiatus, but we're doing like one episode of quarter and one that we will do is the year-end awards, those kind of things will we'll talk about a lot of the 2025 movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... shaggy says do you have a favorite cinema sense podcast mind would be march madness that was a lot of fun the march madness where we ceded movies and uh... you know we we we we had caught gone through a best of since the years we were alive since nineteen seventy five and uh... then we put all those movies in a bracket and uh... you know and then we had some very surprising things like when hairy
[SPEAKER_02]: things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: What beat L.A. confidential again?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sideways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, well, it wasn't, yeah, it was it later on in the, yeah, sideways beat it in the, yeah, the big brackets.
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking for whatever reason, within the year of the move that when we were doing the when we finally came up with the number one of the year, but that works too, because it went into the bracket sideways.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about a struggling author, and I was a struggling author, the season of my life, and that movie resonated with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never forget that listener who said, I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: I told my film school professor about this and he said you guys are so wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what happens when you leave it up to three people to vote on something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what does what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got, you know, your preferences and whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say that's probably my favorite of all the stuff we've done.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a few other special kind of episodes too, I mean, being able to talk to like Dolph Wunder and on an interview was one of the funnest things I've ever had to do and people like Rennie Harlan, you know, when they were doing these very small movies and they were able to do the small circuit interviews,
[SPEAKER_02]: and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just was really enjoyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let it molten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally molten is daughter dressing and that was, yeah, special.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think of, I think of, I think of Rekotopia.
[SPEAKER_02]: My favorite is Lerange and that was so much fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was such a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and right now, having trouble remembering who was with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we saw them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, doing leprechaun two or three or four.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: Single handedly bringing down your IMDB average is leprechaun two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I should shout out slab.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sent us some stats.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: recordopia over the years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will willingly tell you, I, Jeremy, had the lowest overall rating of my relationship with her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's just about right, honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have been fine if mine was like 5.5 or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: The point is, this is a movie I dig.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you'll dig it too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a couple episodes that stand out.
[SPEAKER_04]: One would just be a general of the aforementioned year and review.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my jam.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love talking about all the movies over the course of time and ranking them and talking about them.
[SPEAKER_04]: So those were always my favorite.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I really liked the live ambulance that we did from sin week that was a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember listening back to that and just thinking, man, that was a good time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So was it the one where Jonathan said it was better than Batman and I called across the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was table.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, are there any other particular stats that you'd like to share?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to send out a link to Slabs stats or is there anything that you want to put a light on on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just, I just, I just went through and, you know, it showed like which directors, we chose their work most often and which actors have been most of the movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to find a way to share it with everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I can.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's keep talking.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll pull it up on letterbox and put the image on the screen for people to see some of the apps that you can put it on the discord too, so that would be helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the the the the the biggest not surprise is we did more Steven Sodaberg movies than any director.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um
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[SPEAKER_04]: how do we do so many of their movies?
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm pulled up here and we can we can look at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Going to James in the chat he wrote this earlier and I wanted to get to this and I'm glad it's being highlighted again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says if this is the end of at least Chris and Jeremy talking in podcast form it's the end of an era you both and various co-hosts have kept me company for a solid decade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And your interests come rotary generosity for fans like me who respect your points of view have gotten me through some real-tut rough patches I missed the sin cast and I'm as recto be a more than you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for that James.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are we're gonna miss the not only doing the podcast, but but people like you who definitely had you know sort of reacted
[SPEAKER_02]: in this way to any of the things that we've ever done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that Jeremy and I started Cinema Sins in any way expecting that type of reaction from people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we started getting emails people saying that we helped them through rough times and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I couldn't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really couldn't honestly believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and still to this day, it surprises me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad that you told us that.
[SPEAKER_00]: there's a stats point out we love the chat and we say it every week and it's much to deserve but also those of you who don't come to the live chat but just listen we love you too we appreciate that you even if you're not able to join us live or participate what are we looking at here Aaron?
[SPEAKER_04]: So this is the the whole list.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can see there are 187 films that were big recommends on this list.
[SPEAKER_04]: Almost 350 hours of movie watching.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you were to watch them all 167 different directors, which is always fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: 23 different countries and 11 different languages.
[SPEAKER_04]: So good on this for for broadening out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... the the biggest year was nineteen ninety seven that's probably not a surprise considering our ages uh... i think we were all right in prime movie watch everything mode uh... in the late nineties so ninety seven is number one two thousand thirteen had nine films uh... and then it kind of goes down from from there uh... genre drama was the the highest genre
[SPEAKER_04]: comedy was second, slow, heat side, fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go with cast.
[SPEAKER_04]: John Qsack tied with D'Niro for the actor we recommended the most.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Never guessed that.
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you even need that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Trying to get my head around that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it might I will we'd have to go back through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of some of them are a little suspect because the player isn't there and John Q sack has a brief cameo in that did stand but stand by me was a big recommend right and he's in that he's briefly and and then but then you have gross point blank and and right now I'm drawing a complete blank on the other three
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the other one that sticks out to me is Shirley McClain.
[SPEAKER_04]: Four Shirley McClain movies in our big, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_04]: Directors, some of the usual suspects, you know, so to speak, Spielberg, Wilder, Hitchcock, and Frank Oz, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you mentioned the David 2A2 films is interesting as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... highs and lows the highest average letter box rating was twelve angry men with uh... four point six uh... rating on the box in the lowest of three leprechaun three uh... two points two how could that how could that be
[SPEAKER_04]: the most popular, which I don't know they're algorithm for determining that, but it's not just the rating, it's how much it's looked at, how much it's reviewed, those kind of things, but the Eternal Sunshine is the most popular reviewed.
[SPEAKER_04]: The most obscure was the Inspector General.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right on.
[SPEAKER_04]: The most recent big recommend is civil war, which we recently did.
[SPEAKER_04]: The oldest was the immigrant 1917, and then the longest was Lawrence of Arabia that we did, and the shortest was also the immigrant at 24 minutes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, that's the the letter boxed of it all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some interesting stuff there.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people in the chat saying they're going to miss us and we appreciate you guys there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is tough to do in this, but
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's I know it's just one of those things it's time it's time to go with time to move on and And you know, you can't do it forever and we've Jeremy and I both hit that point for somebody asking it because this is in the Sims ending and no, no, no, no, no, no, no Chris and I are just now it's not the background a bit we're going to be much less involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to write some books and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're never knowing you may see us again popping in here or there somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry if I've missed anything over in the chat but I'll go to a couple more here before we go and NAN says long time listener first time and only chat thank you for all the years of this entertainment in a team podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry this had to be your very first time being in the chat but thank you so much for that comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: J.C. says y'all have gotten me through things in the past few years like my mom passing earlier this year It helped to have the podcast and I appreciated the Sims team reach out over at Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I missed your message for three weeks and you know we all understand that type of stuff for sure
[SPEAKER_02]: On that note, that's going to do it for this episode and this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have never guessed that we would have been doing this for almost 10 years when we started doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't consider myself a podcaster in any way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is it like the name that you hear when you hear somebody like,
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy's a podcaster.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't have any idea what that's like.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I've been doing it for 10 years and I never thought I would get to this point, but once again, I want to say thank you to everybody who listened to us over the years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll yield the floor to the rest of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've had a lot of fun doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This particular podcast, Recutopia, has exposed me to a lot of great films that I had not seen before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just personally thankful for that aspect of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it has felt like a community with the chat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually a lot of the same names and faces popping in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm proud of all that we've done.
[SPEAKER_00]: All three of us are going to do in the near future.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am eternally grateful for the opportunity to do this kind of work with you guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is
[SPEAKER_04]: been a privilege to be invited into the space, which was not my space.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't invent this space.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't, you know, sort of be invited in was a huge privilege.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going on almost a decade working with cinemasins in various ways, writing and doing different things.
[SPEAKER_04]: And even after a decade, I feel like the luckiest fan who got a chance to be a part of the thing he was a fan of.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I appreciate you in a general sense for that and in a very specific sense for this podcast for letting me Step into a third chair for a while and get to chat movies with you guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's very very humbling and it's it's been so much fun and
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited for the future, whatever, you know, that looks like both for U2 is you find a little more time behind the scenes to, you know, do some other things and also the future of, you know, podcasting and videos on YouTube and stuff through the cinemasons universe, there's there's going to be some cool stuff come in so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stay sub to this feed, you never know what might pop up in the future.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stay sub to the channels.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to continue to have a lot of fun together, and I'm looking forward to it as much as I am lamenting, not getting a chance to do it with you guys again.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, appreciate those words, Aaron, and, you know, with that, that's going to be the final sign off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, chat, thank you for coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be it for Recutopia.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will, I guess, see you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hope I have a buy some time in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Therein is one that has to click to put it in, so how to curts get in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in backstage with Chris's onstage.
[SPEAKER_02]: doesn't seem fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good thing I didn't say, like, boy, Jeremy's a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to be done with this fucking show with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fucking motherfuckers.
[SPEAKER_04]: The real reasons come out when mics are accidentally left on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting up early tomorrow to travel to, but I broke a cardinal rule of my post-middle-age life, which is to eat pizza after 7 o'clock PM.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's something about the red sauce that is just a heartburn thing, and so it's like
[SPEAKER_04]: Hello, Pepsid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Help me slut through three, two or three in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of a sudden it's like, why does my chest feel diseased?
[SPEAKER_00]: To I read yesterday a study of 1,000 people found that people who eat cheese at least once a week have like a 0.5% less chance of getting dementia.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're interested on cheese eaters.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they actually said that this means there's no direct correlation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just an association.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still thought it was interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I eat cheese every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm saying I'm a cheese slot.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is funny because having just watched Wallace and Grommet curse of the wear rabbit there's so much about Wallace being a big cheeseter in that he's a cheesehound and all the walls and grommets when he's big and yeah he is it's just it's just funny because
[SPEAKER_02]: part of the plot of that movie is that he doesn't need enough vegetables so so so he's trying to eat his cheese like he always does and grommet is like trying to put celery and stuff in front of him and everything so.
[SPEAKER_00]: God bless for all of some grommet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is an alternate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say that's an alternate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would probably say this in the podcast, too, but that's an all-time Dice Room movie right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're just while some grommet in general.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's a reason why the only picture I took at the last awards was me with Nick Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, you know, man, I tried.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told you, so first off, it's easy to tell why now you see me three isn't gonna make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also easy to see, I guess, I mean, a lot of people don't realize the running man is such a disappointment.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fine up until last 30 minutes, weren't we?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine, no, only fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was not enamored with wicked too, even though it's making all the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then I was like, all right, so yesterday I was like, I'm going to have to watch something that I like,
[SPEAKER_02]: collection.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to find something and I found a movie called Good Morning, which is Japanese Ozu movie from 1959 and I started watching I was like, what is the point of this movie?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's totally fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might even recommend it to Aaron at some.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Aaron might like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Jeremy would like this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which one is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Good Morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's basically about two kids who can't get a TV and they decide to go with the silent treatment with everybody and their silent treatment is consequential through the neighborhood that they because they decide to not speak to anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: but it's not super consequential.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like, whoa, oh man, they're the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now maybe this is part of the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie does lead you down the road that they're not talking is going to lead to something disastrous, and it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it never gets to that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I watched a movie called Manbite's Dog, which is a fake documentary style movie where it follows a guy who was just clearly just a murderer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if you guys ever saw behind the mask, the rise of Leslie Vernon, which is like a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That movie came out in 2006, Manbite's Dog is a French movie that came out in 1992.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're both kind of...
[SPEAKER_02]: similar in that way but like the movie's comment is the media's complicit with the crimes that that people like this commit and so on and so forth and basically you're just seeing this guy like just killing people in front of a documentary crew the entire time and doing just horrible horrible things and there's some really dark humor in it for about 30 minutes I was like I think I might be able to recommend this and then it just oh man I just can't recommend a movie that's
[SPEAKER_02]: The oddest thing in the world just happened So I came back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I started talking and you guys were like you think he's still talking and I was like, is this a fucking Did you guys decide to do this to fuck with me while I was gone?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was sitting there like just like I am like now and you guys like you think he's still talking Maybe just make completely out and I'm like Fuck you guys
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's why I can't do wicked or running man either, especially running.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I, I, running man just is one of those movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: The lot further away I get from it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, yeah, mess.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, so does the point up in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it seems to me, you know, obviously considered a mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this dude hasn't really had a huge misfire in his career.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I still think I still, this is my going high policies on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Stephen King got involved with this movie because he's an executive producer on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he really wanted something that was really close to the book or else he wasn't going to allow it to be remade.
[SPEAKER_02]: So apparently, you hear Jonathan on Slack, he says it's really close except for a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: The character obviously is not the same Glenn Powell's miscast, but
[SPEAKER_02]: But but it seems like it's apparently fairly faithful to the adaptation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he did the same thing with the shining.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't like the Kubrick shining because it completely misrepresented what he was trying to say in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then in the 90s he does that one with Stephen Weber that came out, you know, and, you know, it's not all that good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got its fans, but it's one of those type of things where, you know, maybe you should have just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're an author and you see a thing the certain way in your head, you'd love to see it that way on the big screen at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But man, that first running man is so perfect and it's 80's cheesiness and Schwarzenegger at his height and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't really really need another.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we could have updated it, just not that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like movies think they know better than books, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're always, they're always making big changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes, I mean, obviously, you have to, because there's a lot more material in a book than you can cover in a movie, but...
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like there are a bunch of authors, Lee Child, the guy who wrote the Percy Jackson, didn't like the first adaptation, Chris Leaning, who wrote Aragon, didn't like the adaptation of his movie, and just feels like the guy did the Reacher, didn't like the Jack Reacher stuff, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Lee Child, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it just seems like that's a really common thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was sitting there going Lee Child, the director of the guy who did Percy Jackson,