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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in a mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you certainly feeling well at least to meet him, glad you're like, whew!
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, which, you know what that means, Jodie has no...
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a holiday week and the news gods also have no F's to give as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they exactly, they threw out a lot, but don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, Jody.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they're seriously, I do have this whole Chuck shimmer thing going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I do not.
[SPEAKER_02]: You do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Showing it does not look like Chuck Schumer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad you guys can leave your opinions at our social media platforms.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of them, whether you're with us on Blue Sky or Threads, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Substack or YouTube, I personally, where I elsewhere in the bar and none of them are microphone right now, Jody, I would be disagreeing with you in one of those forums and being like, Jody does not look like Chuck Schumer.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know, but I have the same thing that he has with his glasses where it's like down on the bridge of his nose, right, way down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I wouldn't, I honestly, if you said, you know, if you showed me a picture of you with your glass in the bridge of your nose and you showed me a picture of Chuck with the, you know, his glasses on the nose.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would not make the connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just be like, okay, attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've become members and he, no, god, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, you know, Chuck has his abilities, but one of them hopefully will, you know, maybe be to retire.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Perhaps I'm an elderly senator from New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean he is, he is in the toilet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, we are, we're having a little bit of fun because it is, it is, there's going to be a little bit more serious stuff later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we've got Brooklyn dad to find coming in on Monday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: He will be talking with us about his latest piece at Define Dispatches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why Trump suddenly fell in love with Zaron Mamdanney, which we've got some clips you can listen to on that if we get to those.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have another guest too, joining us
[SPEAKER_02]: independent journalist Phil Itner who, uh, if you know him, he's done a lot of covering over the last 25 years, especially of all kinds of the awful things that Putin has done, whether in Russia or throughout Europe, and he will definitely he'll be with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'll give us the skinny on this whole thing with the quote unquote peace plan or not peace plan or maybe it's
[SPEAKER_02]: Putin's peace plan, but it's actually a Putin plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I 100% agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ruby has walking it back.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first off today in the first round, Ukraine and the balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know some people may be like, wait a minute, there was a Russian plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a Trump plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, let's clear things up for you on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Secretary of State Marco Rubio presented a 28 point plan to a multi-party independence, Democrats and Republicans.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all three of them there, group of US senators on Friday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the Senate staffers for certain senators confirmed that the language in the plan, you ever ever read a manual that is really stilted, Jody?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was going to say, me too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure some of you guys have to.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: This must have been
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, staffers, some of the Senate staffers notice the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they used some language, some linguists that they knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they probably used Google Translate as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they watched it back and they're like the only place that has this particular formatting of the words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's Russian.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with some other assistance and access that they have to intelligence, they basically were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this was Russian.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's the deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Senate staff are said this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rubio basically said as much to the senators.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had Senator Mike Rounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of I believe it's it's North Dakota.
[SPEAKER_02]: South Dakota.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember there, but it's a Dakota.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a Republican and he says he goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, basically Rubio said this.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was the Russian plan that that he was just presenting it that it really wasn't Trump's plan then Rubio comes back on Saturday and says no, no, I never said it was a Russian plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never said it was a Russian.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Sunday, they were like, well, let's change this plan significantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, you remember last week when I think this was the, was it Saturday?
[SPEAKER_02]: It might have been Saturday after Donald had met with Mam Dany.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he was out going to the helicopter, wearing it real snazzy thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he just like, man, Dammy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we will absolutely have to talk about that later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... the he was asked trump was asked uh... so you know that deadline you said Thursday you know for the the Ukraine thing is that's still a hard deadline and he's like and no not really
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, here and there, which it's like, so what was a hard deadline is not, but remember he made it in a Trump made a hard deadline with Russia twice three time something like that at least that didn't happen either that that didn't have so there it
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not, it's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, my guess reaction to plan by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, they're, they're not buying into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they want is full Ukrainian capitulation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard former Ambassador Michael McFall who I've communicated with before.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's great and he's definitely on Randy Showtime.
[SPEAKER_02]: Putin hasn't given up one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said absolutely not one damn thing in the plan that was floated by Trump and Rubio originally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just I kind of look at this in N and so on top of the fact that Russia was continuing to fire on Ukraine during these quote unquote peace talks and the fact that Ukraine is looking at 178,000 war crimes committed by Russians.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's nearly 200,000 Ukrainians who are now in the U.S. who we invited here because of Putin's attacks on Ukraine are now in legal limbo because of the Trump immigration wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just an absolute mess.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the polite word I can use on the air, because we are bi FCC.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know I'm just going to say other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's going to say, which I understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then that and then that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing is, this is absolutely one of the more ridiculous,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's not technically, well, it's not technically international incident, but if this was actually Putin's plan, then it wasn't US plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then basically Marco Rubio, who once derided Vladimir Putin is now being his hand maiden.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know the Rubio's thirsty, but this is, I have an outfit for him.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's got a little white thing in red.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not even going buzz because he jodys a hundred percent correct on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just look y'all.
[SPEAKER_02]: There obviously at some point is going to be peace Europe is either obviously stepping up in this there are next for Ukraine exactly next around a talks UK and France are coming in Do I think this is going to be settled with the U.S. has helped anytime so long as Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially if he you know something happens in vans goes in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, but I do think Europe is getting stronger.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ukraine is still holding pretty solid on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the reasons that we reached out to fill it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think did you get him when you were on Steph Show?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I did.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I met him actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he was here in the States.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to say it was.
[SPEAKER_06]: when the sexy liberals at the sabon.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he was there and I met him and he gave me his card and not, yeah, was 20, 23 maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, just a few years ago.
[SPEAKER_06]: I met him in person and he's lovely and he's in Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now is he an American who is based out of London?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, because I was gonna say I believe in American.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I thought he was too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just going, I couldn't remember how heavy accent was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, he's he's a market when I met him.
[SPEAKER_06]: And no, he was he was very lovely.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when I stopped working for Stephanie, I reached out to everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I said, hey, I'm no longer working for him.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I haven't had a show coming to blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he goes, anytime you want me on the show, I'm on.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess he's just walked in the door here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have him for almost two then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, if we have him for a little bit of I mean, if he can hang with us that that long and be great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hello, sir.
[SPEAKER_06]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_06]: Hi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're joining us this evening here at Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems we're all in the bar, but I'm in a very fuzzy hotel room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what are you in Ukraine itself, or are you in London, or are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I came, no, I came back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a part-ness again, or part California, and I came back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I came back to, uh, I've been in California for the last five days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I flew from, you, I, I, I, I, I, this is a good story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had to go from Chicago to San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all told, it took me over three days to get back from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's an exhausting journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: The most difficult part of, of course, is the border.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where I got stuck for about 12 hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously, thanksgiving being this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good excuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good excuse on the tone.
[SPEAKER_01]: some things that I actually physically had to be here, of course, signing doc.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, signing documents and things like real light stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Understandable.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a few questions for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, here.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one of the big one, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, in all that traveling, did you follow the new Sean Duffy guidelines?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're a suit because, you know, that's that's the
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know we're just going to drag it all back to the 50s.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to drag it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the all the stewardesses will be in mini skirts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the world they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the world they envision.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where they want to drag us back to.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to take a break here, Phil.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take a break, pay some bills, collect some glasses.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we actually want to talk to you because you actually know what's going on with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: gotten slash I was only just there yeah yeah yeah it was only just there and I've been studying for 25 years so yeah he knows a little bit folks he knows I just go this goes look feel in there coming back given us all the details in the Ukraine plan he'll straighten you out in advance of the Thanksgiving holidays that way you can you know straighten out your uncle Mike the maga hang on coming right back we'll be right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Monday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, sometimes I got to look at the calendar and be like, what the hell they is?
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when it's a holiday week.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, what the hell, man?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we are here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jody is here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the one and only fill it in her is here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Independent journalists, who, here's just tell us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He basically, you know, homes all the way across the entire globe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just so that he could watch Michigan kick the crap out of Ohio State.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to give another set of applause for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a Husker fan, as somebody else who happens to be in the big ten, that is also one of my- By the way, long as we beat the Buckeyes, I don't care if we lose every other game in this season, as long as we beat the Buckeyes, that's all that matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, look, you know Ohio State fans, they always do the whole thing with their hands and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know why they sometimes get stuck at that old thing with their hands over their head?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because they're so used to wearing handcuffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Louise I'm just saying if you haven't see if you have not seen the eight if you have not seen the HBO documentary the rivalry I highly recommended it's freely available on YouTube and it goes into the depth of the rivalry between OSU and Michigan something I grew up
[SPEAKER_02]: You grew up knowing that so you grew up actually understanding hostility of a certain degree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have covered a lot of war zone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice to hear, Sean.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: The big thing is we all know that Putin has been hostile for more than four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the current version of war has been going on for four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this whole stupid ass peace plan, Phil.
[SPEAKER_02]: here's the way we explain it it's like Friday night i guess rubio met with a bunch of senators independent uh... republican and democratic told them you know here's this twenty eight page peace plan they're like uh... staffers looked and sit in this is kind of rushing he's like well and then satir he's like what we presented it really wasn't our plan and then he was like no no no no no no it's actually it is our plan and then suddenly he's like yeah let's grab half the plan
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything legit with this or is this just the latest, um, I don't know what you want to call it after so In the the Ukraine version of the TV show that is the Donald Trump show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might be a might be a moment in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the history of the of the war because you know if Zelensky rejects this and he himself has put it this way and I want to clarify what I think he's saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he's saying that this is an essential moment for the peace or for finding peace in Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_01]: because they're at a crossroads, either you tick off Donald Trump and you lose an essential ally or you bend the knee and accept an agreement that you know will only mean another war in five or ten years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a war and a war at which you will be
[SPEAKER_01]: at the vastly greater disadvantage because the Russians will be right on the river border which separates the country and half.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they agree to the plan as it stands now, they will be seeding territory where they have been building a defensive wall for over 10 years since 2015 when Russia took Crimea and much of Donbass and Le Mans, these two provinces,
[SPEAKER_01]: in Ukraine, by force of arms, and ever since then, the Ukrainians have been building defensive lines along this area, which is this corridor that leads into Donbass, and so what the Russians are asking them to do is give up all those entrenchments.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also in addition to it, it's also ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like somebody would, it's like an armed force would take San Diego and say, we have San Diego, so give us California, or we have, we have Corpus Christi, so give us, you know, give us taxes, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Since I'm currently in Michigan, you know, we, we took over the U.P.
[SPEAKER_01]: So give us all, you know, give us the entire state.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't, they wouldn't say we took over Columbus, so give us a high,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you can look forward to the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the Ukrainians will not accept it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Europeans will accept it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it, it, it all, it does is basically give Moscow everything at once and Moscow has a stated, uh, procedure when it comes to diplomatic relations and, and it's, oh, it, it, they openly say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was a retired, uh, Foreign Minister, Russian Foreign Minister, he said, ask for about 50% more than what you actually want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you walk, when you walk it back, you seem like the reasonable one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that has been their tactics before in diplomacy for the better part of 50 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see this all over the document.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is exactly what Russia wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a defeat for Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of little breadcrumbs for them, but nothing consequential.
[SPEAKER_01]: point program okay so in 2015 I was I reported on the joint comprehensive plan of action in Iran basically the nuclear plan to disarm which of course Trump threw in the trash that he once he came into office but
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that I've seen this process before, that the Iran nuclear disarmament program was the longest program I had ever seen and it went over a year and it was shuttle diplomacy, it was regular meetings like every two or three months and not to discredit the complexity of what was negotiated there between primarily John Kerry and Russian farmers to Lavrov.
[SPEAKER_01]: But along with all the Europeans and all the rest of them, it took them ages to go through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, not to diminish the importance of it, but a piece in Ukraine is a far more complex thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is in many ways existential.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could already, the Iranian, from an Iranian perspective, there are hawks in Iran that say, we have to have New Zealand's existential and there are hawks in the West to say, Ukraine and Iran can't have New Zealand's existential.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would argue, you know, I'm not going to get that's not the hell I'm in a dial and that's not my expertise.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I am going to say is that for the Ukrainians and for the Russians, this really is an existential war.
[SPEAKER_01]: It will destroy the idea of Moscow as an empire or it will destroy the idea of Ukraine as a nation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these are going to walk away from this thing fundamentally change.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to negotiate 28 points, as has been proposed, is going to take ages.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hate to look in a crystal ball, but I mean, well over a year to negotiate 28 points, well over a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because so many of these things are actually fundamental to the survival
[SPEAKER_01]: or for the ability for Russia to lick its wounds, get back into the good graces of the global community, start doing, you know, trade again, getting money again, which they'll fund into their military, and they will just circle back around again in a few years and come back
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, the clauses in this proposed agreement that say, if Russia does anything, that there will be a response from the West, but if you look deeper into it, it's very amorphous.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, all of these 28 points are really Lucy Goosey kind of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this should be a great idea, but how do you actually do it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there's a proposal that Ukraine's armed forces would be living in to 600,000 from 900,000 currently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking artillery men?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking tankers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Infantry men?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking drone forces?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you divide that 600,000?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the problem that I have with one of the many problems I have with the Trump administration, but specifically when it comes to the Trump administration's approach to international relations in the State Department, he has gutted
[SPEAKER_01]: our State Department.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has snapped our State Department.
[SPEAKER_01]: Particularly not exclusively, but particularly when it comes to matters of Russia.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have any Russia experts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for God's sake, we have Marco Rubio and we have my mum just tapping on his name, the state agent,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that the Trump Trump administration actually in the first administration.
[SPEAKER_01]: brushed out all of these Russia experts because of course there was the stigma of the Russian interference in the 2016 election.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he had a bunch of people both in the Pentagon and in the state department who really knew what happened in 2016.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happened in 2016 was Russian interference.
[SPEAKER_01]: We would not have Donald Trump unless it was in unless there was Vladimir Putin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not exclusively that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were too many factors in the 2016 election, right, to say anyone single thing did it, but the Russians putting their thumb on the scale was a significant contributor and I still contend and will contend until after we get this.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, period behind us, and we really do a post-mortem.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Russians manipulated our body, have been manipulating our body politics through the the GOP and Donald Trump since it leased 2015, 2016.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see the story over the weekend?
[SPEAKER_02]: You may not, since you were traveling, but
[SPEAKER_02]: decided that he would reveal the locations of posters on Twitter slash x yes yes he was having some some argument or something in all of a sudden they find out that all of these mega influencers are actually not in the U.S. and in fact a lot of them appear to have uh Russian ties.
[SPEAKER_06]: Russian Nigeria South Africa
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of the things that Russia has taught us too, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, the Russia uses as a proxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one only has to, you need no further than tenet media and what they were doing with, you know, Tim Poole and Barry Johnson.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all these guys that were getting hundreds of thousands of dollars per, you know, 30 minute long, and they didn't think twice about asking where that money was coming from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we, I have said this for for many years, and I continue to say it, we got to wake up to the fact that we're at war with Russia.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the point I try to make when I say we are at war with Russia is that Russia is at war with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: they think they are at direct they are directly in confrontation and in conflict with the United States of America and they are acting accordingly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whether we like it or not they are on a war posture against us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whether we or with them they are in there or with us and for us to be so flippant.
[SPEAKER_01]: and to be so, to disregard the threat from Moscow who punches above his weight, they couldn't go toe to toe with us, militarily.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way, but they don't have to, all they have to do is turn us against one another, and to make us dysfunctional and abandon and store ourselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Internally and that's what they've been doing for a very very long time was a cruise shut this at it there would be internal was a cruise travel or cruise ship uh... cruise ship has the famous one where he says we will not destroy you with train tanks we will destroy you with your mind that's it so it was yeah okay it's always been that it's always been that way the rushes the rushes are stupid then that's smart
[SPEAKER_01]: They're extremely smart, and they know that they can get more bang for their buck by either disinformation or information warfare campaign or honeypot traps, I mean whether it's Anna Chapman or the woman who snuck into Mara Logo or the woman who was making the rounds at the
[SPEAKER_01]: the in R.A. and the national prayer breakfast, you know, going from lover to lover, and then you're kind of telling them, you know, you, you Westerners have a long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long long
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is a lie, everything is hypocrisy, you can't believe in anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: In Russia, in Russia, this is their norm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is their norm internally, and then they have exported it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've exported it to the United States, because they studied the United States more than they studied any other country except perhaps great Britain, because they see those the Anglo-American alliances, the biggest threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: to their dominance in Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they're trying to achieve as dominance in Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't mean necessarily tanks going down the Shons of the Lise, or Russian fighter bombers stationed somewhere at an air base in Germany.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just means control.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just means a control in the constant threat, which means you can add demand in over Europe.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that you, uh, you know, you said you've got a little time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much time you got.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a little time you need do you want
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say as long as you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's what I'm here for, that's what I'm here for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that because we have so many more questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Phil, so many more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a journalist who definitely knows Ukraine and definitely knows Putin.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will talk a little bit more with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got one more round to talk with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we got BDD later.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have the drink of the day coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, it is a Monday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a packed news day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got his verner's as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever glass you're raising, get it refilled here in the break.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: More with Coke syrup!
[SPEAKER_00]: That's politics work.
[SPEAKER_02]: No more, Jodie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll work.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Monday night here at the politics bar we are very very glad you guys are hanging out with us whatever corner of the world you guys happen to be hanging in of course as you know you can contact us on any of those social media platforms whether you are with us on Blue Sky or Threads Instagram, Facebook, Substack, Twitter or leaving comments on YouTube just to be careful watch out for Russian bots
[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely remember you had the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have the one and only fill in her here who is independent journalist extraordinaire who has definitely been covering Putin and Ukraine for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is um it's one of those things I don't know that everybody who understands that they know there's a war going on with Ukraine they know all they they hear in the mainstream they go oh it's it's been almost four years
[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually like what several hundred years as far as that goes that mosque out on the control Ukraine this is this is the colonial or this is this is not about NATO this is about colonization exactly this this is this is the closest equivalency I can give to an American audience is this is the British and the Irish
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the first empire outside of Great Britain, the island itself, was the Irish.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they held them in over the Irish for centuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it took a moment in time for the Irish to say, no, we're not going to be a colony anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a mind shift that happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that happened in Ukraine in my dawn on 2014.
[SPEAKER_01]: then we will know we will no longer be a colony, we will be an independent country and this is why when Moscow uses the language which they have studied very well when it comes to an American nor an English-speaking ear when they say that the Ukrainians are filled with Ukrainian nationalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're filled with, they, the Ukrainian nationalism in the sense that the vast majority of Ukrainians believe there needs to be a nation state called Ukraine, sovereign and independent and away from living under Moscow's boot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what they mean when they say,
[SPEAKER_01]: that Ukrainian nationalism, and then the Russians know exactly what they're doing, but they're terrified of losing Ukraine because it is the cornerstone of their empire.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is
[SPEAKER_01]: without Ukraine, they are Russia, they are not the Russian Empire, they are the Russian Federation, and so they have to look in the mirror, they can't look externally, they're going to have to make some fundamental changes, but they need it to do for a century section, but they've always, they've always been able to kind of look at themselves as a thing, yeah, and look at themselves
[SPEAKER_06]: when he said, you crane the bread basket of Europe?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a very special soil as the black sea receded in a very prehistoric period.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of our epic, you know, one of our periods of the earth's history, the black sea receded, and it left this very fertile black soil.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you'll see on some flags, there's a black and a red.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the black of the rich soil with the blood that's been shed over that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that's what that flag means, although it's been appropriated by Moscow to say it's Nazis, but it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyhow, regardless, regardless, yes, Ukraine is the bread basket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ukraine has a huge IT possibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is an enormous country by European standards.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can use our brilliant and, for those of you who have played risk, especially if you're going to play risk coming up this week on Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the area in Eastern Europe that is always the biggest pain that it has to hang on, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's not just in the risk game, it is actually in reality that's the biggest pain in the ass area, tag on to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting you say that because in the game of risk Ukraine is always used as part of a larger empire.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is actually accurate to its history.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, what happened in Ukraine in 2014 much like I regard what happened in Ireland after the first World War when they rebelled against British rule is that the Ukrainians have flipped the switch.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they are never going to be a colony again, and this is why I think it's applicable to what the Trump administration is doing and how they're fumbling this so badly because they don't have any experts again because they broom them out because they know the truth about 2016.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you approach the Ukrainians with dictates and you say,
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now you have to listen to us and obey us as a colony of Brussels or Washington.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is exactly the wrong tactic to take.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I see Marco Rubio going to the Ukrainians and saying, here's the 28th plant, point plant, you must agree to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they will not be dictated, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we'll be dictated by Brussels and not by Russia.
[SPEAKER_02]: What people say and how they say it matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is some, we were, we were talking in the break here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So back in 2016, obviously, the 2016 run-up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually working both Jody and I have worked for Stephanie Miller.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've been to the Stephanie Miller, six.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, and I've been on your show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go ahead and have the privilege, had the privilege.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always great talk, Steph.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I hope we're in the Randy back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a little bit before that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was working with Steph.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of was doing a lot of stuff, different media stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do remember the summer of 2016.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember because it's it's the email thing that everybody remembers I remember it because I very specifically I saw it and I've always had this thing multiple choice tests are easy for me because I can look and one of the answers usually tends to almost like a bell ring out a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had a similar experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Katie Turb, she's just rejoining NBC slash MSNBC from Europe.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's her first big thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's at eight a Trump event and Trump comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he reads this thing off of these note cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily something he usually does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he goes to pick a question.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first question he gets is Katie Turb.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's in the front row.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is normal for Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: See somebody attractive in the press crew, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember her question.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember his answer and everybody else does, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because this was the Russia, if you're listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That really see emails, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said it to debate, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Donald Trump has always had kind of a Ron Burgundy thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would joke him, but just think of the day stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: That if you, if you are, it's the reason why everybody who deals with Trump
[SPEAKER_02]: wants to be the last person to talk in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah before exactly they all want to be the last person because he is very much it's a marketing phrase.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of you guys here in the bar might know this TOMA top of mind awareness.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's whatever the last thing that's said of Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I went back and I looked back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see, it flagged my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a, why the hell are you asking, Russia?
[SPEAKER_02]: This, I said the question wasn't about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I looked, I, you know, okay, take through right wing media.
[SPEAKER_02]: Were they talking about Hillary Clinton's emails?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, they weren't talking about, they weren't talking about Russia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody was talking about Russia and Hillary Clinton's emails.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was the first thing has Trump felt that, when the first moment that he was unshamed from those note cards,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the first thing that he talked about, which means that that was the last thing that somebody said to him before he went out on that stage, which means somebody could have been, anybody could have been Flynn could have been Manafort.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all, we know that these guys have very, very compromising relationships with Moscow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you, I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've talked about some of those on your show, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you, don't feel as a podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do, I do a weekly show.
[SPEAKER_01]: where we've set up a studio in Kiev, and it is professionally lit, we have some good cameras, I have years of experience in television production, so I brought that to bear.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do it for about an hour, every week comes out on Sunday at 8pm, local time in Kiev, and I think that's noon, Eastern, I think want to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a good story, but I got another story that might top it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, in many, many years, working for CBS News or for room ever, I was deputy bureau chief for CBS News and Baghdad, for example.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to know a lot of US Army intelligence, public affairs, guys from organizations that they never told you who they worked for, but she kind of knew who they worked for, sort of thing, and about a year after the 2016 election.
[SPEAKER_01]: I came back to San Francisco and I met one of these guys who's a friend of mine who had become a friend of mine and we went out for a meal and over the meal, he says to me and he's not he's not telling me what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is he's making it about as obvious as possible because I think at the time he was still connected to the military.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's telling me without telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he says, you remember the day in the run-up to the election when all I think it's 15 or 12 or 15 intelligence and security or organizations of the United States.
[SPEAKER_01]: apparatus, which almost never happens, all got together and signed a document saying, hey, the Russians are involved, are messing in their interfering in our elections, and interfering in our elections to the benefit of a Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was every single from the department, from the Pentagon, to Homeland Security, to Army, Navy, whatever, all the leadership and the intelligence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend tells the story to see was there in the room when all of these heads are about to make this joint statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly, about 20 minutes before they're supposed to go live with this announcement, all the cameras of the different networks, the agency's state, but the different networks started breaking down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend says, we're 20 minutes away, they're about to make this historic announcement about Russia intervening in elections.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you
[SPEAKER_01]: The guys go this will never hit air.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is never going to go on the air and my friend says why what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: He says just about 20 minutes ago T and Z dropped this tape Where you can hear Donald Trump saying grab him by the
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, P word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the exact same day, the exact same day, the entire United States security and intelligence apparatus was going to make a unified statement about the interference of Moscow into our election for the benefit of Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, and I was having lunch with this friend of mine a year after this, at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, we did a post-mortem.
[SPEAKER_01]: not a coincidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: That does not surprise me at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: They hijack the new cycle.
[SPEAKER_06]: They are still in the stupid election.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's still on the super the election.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even despite the fact that they hijacked the new cycle with something that should have been disqualifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also totally
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who remembers that press conference with the head of the, all the, you know, the head of the Department of Defense, the head of the Army, the head of the Navy, the head of Melby remembers that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember, but it's because like you, I was, we're JD, like Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk to you all stuff all night fill, but we have a couple other things to do as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy to come back and have you come back any time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where should people find you all along?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just go on YouTube and just go on YouTube and look for my name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Philip and all one word.
[SPEAKER_01]: P.H.I.L.I.P.
[SPEAKER_01]: ITT and ER.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our latest episode was with a...
[SPEAKER_01]: venture capitalists who's kind of saying you know the world the world needs to come to Ukraine because they're at the cutting edge of a whole bunch of of of military technologies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing as they are amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for having me to come back at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm here for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got the drink that they coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have Brooklyn Dad to find coming into fresh and you'll say I do come right back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Johnny oh my god Phil is amazing Phil is fantastic that was it's one of those kind of things where honestly you need to have somebody who knows what's going on in the area and Phil editor absolutely does and yeah it is a little bit scary how much Putin and his monsters have warmed their way into our politics
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a good reminder that if you're sitting there saying, God, this doesn't seem like America.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of, there's a lot of people who are trying to make it otherwise.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, so... Hi, Twitter just said so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got that in the news on tap today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Different Charles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're a lot different Charles out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to that a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to highlight the news on Taff of the day because there is so much in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we did talk with Phil a lot about Ukraine, but there are other things going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: The second round has info about Trump's immigration wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a whole lot more going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there you need to know it's not just about Chicago anymore or Portland or LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: you need to check out the stories there on North Carolina and what's going on in Oregon and more of course There are also some stories in the third round today about the war in the courts war on good government and the Republicans health care failures Trump, by the way, was supposed to roll out his quote unquote health plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was supposed to be today
[SPEAKER_06]: I have air quotes right here, right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see, yeah, I see your air quotes and the air quotes are correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get rolling out today.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really going to be a plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even hardly worth talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing is, for those of you who are at the bar and you're listening to fill it in earlier, he noted that the 28 point plan for peace and Ukraine took, it's gonna take easily a year if they're serious about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And first they have to be serious about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take just as long if they actually want to renegotiate some type of the health care man here.
[SPEAKER_02]: The smart thing is going to be, and this is something that there is a bipartisan group.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have this story in the news on tap, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bipartisan group of Republicans, Democrats, one of them is Don Bacon from Nebraska, who's retiring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully be replaced by Democrats.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that that's
[SPEAKER_02]: just look, just redo these subsidies for the next two years and we can have plenty of time to bang out a new plan.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but let's just do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, that's why they don't necessarily want to do it because Republicans have had 15 years, actually 30 if you go all the way back to Hillary Clinton and they still have to come up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: 32 if you go back to Hillary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, Jody is right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know I do math in my head, it's a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's smart, she's smart like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things, well, we both saw this coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think everybody else here in the bar who smarts saw this coming, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Jim Komi and Leticia's in places where both dismissed today, look at that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't like that there was without prejudice, but at least they were dismissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those of you who don't know without prejudice means that they can file these cases again.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, in bouncing around listening to the different cable legal execs and legal experts talking about stuff, they basically said, this is a long-ass process if they want to bring this back.
[SPEAKER_06]: If they want to refile absolutely, because they have to have a different prosecutor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lindsay Haligan is no longer allowed to be the attorney, the US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia because she ain't qualified.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hi, I mean, Canon.
[SPEAKER_06]: Didn't she say that about Jack Smith?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't if you're not qualified in a court finds you such like that you can't Trump likely will try to come back through but the there's going to they're going to go through a lengthy appeal and here's the thing the reason why Trump has tried to use people like Lindsey haligan and lean a hobba
[SPEAKER_02]: But she is that he doesn't actually want to have these U.S. attorneys confirmed by the Senate.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, one of the things he's running into and it Chuck Grassley has been firmly against is the blue slip policy that is in the Senate that says if you nominate somebody a home state senator where he says no from they can say no and say no we're not going to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the problem for Trump is that, well, I'm not necessarily a 100% fan of my two democratic senators that are here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think sometimes I'd still let's yeah, let's let's just say I don't I have my issues with them like I have issues with everybody, but they know at least that that
[SPEAKER_02]: whoever gets nominated and and gets their nomination secured should be somebody who is yeah look at that the guy that trump got rid of that was the u.s attorney for eastern district of Virginia he was a trumper yeah he'd been they've been nominated by trouble he'd been been okay because that person showed at least enough democratic senators that they appreciated the law a lot of these cases that have been decided have been decided by
[SPEAKER_02]: There's we we described this we described this last Friday.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking with Karen and Anita the tilt factor where you go too far Donald and his magma morons are insisting you go too far And in order to get passed in the Senate, they can't go that far.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you see why Donald wants to go around them, but
[SPEAKER_02]: We do have the stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you missed the news, we do have the stories about the cases being dismissed against Komi and James in the news on tap in the Warren court section.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is an unfortunate and weird legal thing going on in North Dakota where abortion is illegal again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have the whole illegal judges.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, effectively illegal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess which you could call.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I can't get pregnant anymore.
[SPEAKER_06]: Has old.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although although they have done experiments, we're in women who are beyond that age.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been planted a thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, my uterus could probably hold one.
[SPEAKER_02]: right so so technically you could but why right exactly what's again jerry is i'm almost sixty why would i do that to myself i don't know but there are people who have done it's it's just you know like like it's so you're the description of it's not technically possible
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about one of these weird things that popped up over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you heard about this one, BDD.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Trump's Department of Education, which they are trying to get rid of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, let's start with Reagan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are now excluding nursing and several other degree fields engineering.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the hell, why would you, why, why would you?
[SPEAKER_02]: that doesn't make any damn sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not professional, apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: The full list of degree fields that they want to, and basically what the designation is, it's called, what is it called, not classed as professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Among other things, it basically means that they are curtailing their ability to take out student loans.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A student loan program and the degree fields, the degree fields that they are attacking in this are nursing,
[SPEAKER_02]: Physician Assistants, which is also medical, physical therapist, medical, audiologist, medical.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have major problems right now in the U.S. because we don't have enough people in these medical fields and yet they are declassing them as I believe the official term.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or Sean Kamiski is becoming a nurse.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's not going to help him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here's here's that there's also four other fields.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's architects.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Accountants, educators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are short tens of thousands of teachers and social workers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can view the full story, you view the list in the news on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's depressing.
[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's disgusting that they are farming disaster by trying to implement this.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because my mom was a nurse.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so is your mom, too, yeah?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was your mom and RN like mine.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, she was an LPN, you know, but different degrees of nursing guys, it's a tough job.
[SPEAKER_09]: They don't have, they don't have enough nurses as it is.
[SPEAKER_09]: My mom never had trouble finding a gig because there was such a,
[SPEAKER_02]: a dearth of nurses so that is that is just a slap in the face and especially now the teachers to you want to do that yeah he cheers and why would why would it you know it just it doesn't make any logical sense no as a stuff that this that this crump in ministry is doing makes it about the way he was in the bar a little bit ago he said hey
[SPEAKER_02]: feel itner independent to us who is an expert on Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who you have very cool on your podcast before I believe, but I'm just going to say about nurses having had many family members in flux with cancer, the nurses were the ones I trusted, more than the doctors, they pay attention, they listen, they know the
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and they know more often times than the doctors do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were talking about Navy stuff some last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was telling you about the brown shirts, the higher level and list of guys who are going to your chiefs, your master chiefs and the Navy, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are people who are oftentimes your lifeers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They spent 15, 20, 25, 30 years in the service.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are high level and listed.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know all the stuff because they've actually done the stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've actually done the dirty work.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you get some fresh out of college officer went through through they went through razzi and they got there you know little training and they come in and they've never actually experienced a ship they've never experienced a duty station they don't know up from down the smart officers like that will get in good with the master chiefs and be like teach me everything that I need to know but you get a lot of these arrogant douchebags admit a lot of them rich white boys just saying
[SPEAKER_02]: And shocker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they get in there and they say, you know, we'll do this and do that because this is why I was taught in school, and it's like You idiot like like like Pete Kegs breath exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nurses are kind of like the master chiefs
[SPEAKER_02]: They are.
[SPEAKER_02]: They they know they have been through all of the conflicts.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have dealt with all of the crap and oftentimes that they know their worth and they know that the hospital has to trust the word of a nurse versus the word of a doctor as far as a liability issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they look at the doctor and they go, ah, rich boy, just got out of school.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, nurse, 30 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll listen to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she's covered her ass.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, I remember this one nurse talking to my sister when she was in a coma and I said, how do you know it?
[SPEAKER_06]: She goes, oh, you're the redhead.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got to worry about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, not a few do your job.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got BDD, Brooklyn, Dad, Define here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got so much news to deal with from the news on tap and did we get, we still haven't done it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, we got a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got BDD here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about that Charlie level drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: Haha, and we'll talk more of the news on tap as well fresh it up your drinks if you missed it at the top of the hour You know where the facilities are look down the hall left right center.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, but we aim to please hear the politics bar You aim to please come back with more jody and Brooklyn data-fiant and me hang on We'll be right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar
[SPEAKER_02]: one day night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see a dance in their beating.
[SPEAKER_02]: He trying to pull my focus off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jody too.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys always try to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But look, I'm focused.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a professional.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gets you all the goodies, including that drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we were going to do it last segment, but you know, we got this connection talking to BDD.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk to
[SPEAKER_02]: We have that drink of the day, Jody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we probably should get to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should.
[SPEAKER_02]: We mentioned BDD that today's drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It involves, well, let's let's say who you think if I tell you that the name of the drink is a Charlie cocktail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think we name this one after?
[SPEAKER_09]: a trolley cocktail i want to say that maybe that uh that talk show host um Charlie uh Charlie Kirk yeah no no no no no it's the talk show that the guy um
[SPEAKER_09]: It's famous, I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you gonna dick-cav it?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's a no.
[SPEAKER_09]: We were just talking early.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Charlie Rose?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: A species.
[SPEAKER_02]: His basically major work, and that's just the short version of the title, was first published on this date in November, 24th, 1859.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so what's the drink made of?
[SPEAKER_09]: Is it a real drink?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a real drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's there's a very good history and Jody in a very good history for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you guys can check that out, if you are subscribed to Paul, it's bar.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, you can get the history if you're not subscribed, but you can't get the ingredients.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't get the the the way the drink is built.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't get the recipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jody, how what is the recipe for this Charlie cocktail?
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, you need to pre-chilled coop glass as per usual, mixing glass, some ice, two ounces of bourbon whiskey, the good stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, always top shelf, a half ounce of vermouth, there's a specific thing that is in here, a quarter ounce of black raspberry liquor like Shem board, a dash of angostora.
[SPEAKER_02]: Angus.
[SPEAKER_06]: Bitters.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you garnish with the Maristino cherry.
[SPEAKER_06]: So basically you take the missing glass.
[SPEAKER_06]: You put all the stuff in there with some ice.
[SPEAKER_06]: You stir it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't bruise it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then you find strain it into the coupe glass and you garnish with the cherry.
[SPEAKER_09]: Don't don't bruise it.
[SPEAKER_09]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_09]: How does one bruise liquor?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if you over when you're not supposed to when you're supposed to stir it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it can bruise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eries and that and that's called bruising it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that you don't want to bruise it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys may not have known that you would only learn in a bar is if you if you are shaking up certain types of alcohol
[SPEAKER_02]: and you're you're actually erasing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're putting air into it and it tends to to hurt the flavor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they call it brews your ass.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same with the HP people stuff here at the politics bar not just about politics, but also about drinks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the origin of species.
[SPEAKER_02]: So far exactly also that which you know this is an original drink.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, three days now is we're picking through a Friday Saturday Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_09]: I thought they did a hell of a job on that.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm a fan of Wicked, like I saw it on Broadway, and I just, I think it's a clever concept, because when I was growing up, I probably watched the Wizard of Oz, like, I don't know, dozens of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every Wizard of Oz traditionally on broadcast television.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let me see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Lonnie, he's saying, you know, it's wait.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's Dorothy in this because isn't it a dream?
[SPEAKER_06]: And why is she in the dream?
[SPEAKER_06]: And like, what is happening?
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's a whole, I'm like, do you're, you're upset about the fictionalization of a fictional thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: there's there's there's there's no reason to think too deeply.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't wait to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some things about it though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have not seen it yet, but I have seen some reviews about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've said it was great and I've said that yes, there is some political overtones with basically fighting against fascism and with
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, basically don't believe everything you see or hear from the government and the mainstream media to some degree.
[SPEAKER_09]: It definitely was a fake news of the current in this thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: And in the beginning, one of the major characters was upset with some propaganda that was being spread.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he said, you know, these people will just believe anything you tell them.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, oh, Maca.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_02]: And this last weekend was their last weekend and really sucks because I like D.J.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like your when she was doing sports reporting in the ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the fact that she was able to do other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like Michelle Miller for years and it's just
[SPEAKER_02]: CBS is now basically to me person and I'm glad I do not consider them a legitimate news outlet No, I know when I see the news.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, okay, is this good news or like is scoffing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust anymore because of because of who was at the top at CBS?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I do not trust the propaganda and after talking to Phil Littner and and about
[SPEAKER_02]: the you know what's going on in Ukraine and about the way that that Russia has infected and infested itself in a lot of US media talk to Twitter yeah well I mean your Twitter was was the gateway there's a lot of it so it was fox for that matter it did you guys see on on Twitter yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah from like East Macedonia
[SPEAKER_02]: we have we have that story in there too and the news on tab a little bit up uh that that yes um so uh mega influencers were exposed for being based in countries other than the U.S. we put that on the foreign affairs section and they're saying they're from like Texas and you talk right and that is
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice for those of you who were, yeah, there's of course MS now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had some on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think seen ended like one segment on it because they have people here, but most of the mainstream did not cover it, which is not that's not surprised.
[SPEAKER_09]: HPO is HPO.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's not HPO Max or Max or whatever.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's HPO and MS
[SPEAKER_09]: And you see is MSN BZ.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily, I'm like, they can, they can, you know, the talent, the host there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, they've done it pretty well.
[SPEAKER_02]: A low Stephanie rule laid on Friday nights, a messed up, and then she kind of beret or herself, and like, which you don't need to do, girl, as fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, habit, you know, I'm like, I'm like, whatever exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: Why the rebrand though?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because Comcast sold them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, that's part of it, but also because of the fact that the corporate executives were running like scared little twits from Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: which yet, well, because they, you know, oh, it's the big liberal outlet, we're gonna, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have nothing new it and you notice notice that they have allowed CNBC to keep their name and now them to keep the peacock logo, even though CNBC and MS now are both owned by
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the reason that they let CNBC do it among other things is because, well, CNBC, it's business.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about money and the, but it's just stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have, they should have let them both keep it, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have been noticing that the, the MS now folks are, we, we all joked about the logo at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have now been really rolling out new graphics.
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously, they hadn't had the graphics fully done yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been rolling out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's better now.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like to do like their chirones.
[SPEAKER_09]: Their chirones are tight.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a designer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you know, it's it's not bad as far as that goes and I'm I'm okay and I can see the way that they can use their chirones.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get one of the TVs over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got it where they've got basically a two-part chiron.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you know a chiron is the thing that runs along the bottom of your screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: the boss and a third exactly and they've got a two part one now so if they want to they could run a scrolling or a flipped period of text and then another period of text above that so you're like oh okay which look in a emergency news thing you're gonna want that kind of stuff because you want to know right this instant but you also want to know what's going on on the screen and these two things may be different at that moment so I'm out of fan of the
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not necessarily either, but the fact that they can do it is nice to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've got the tools to use when and if they need to use them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always have the one to see from.
[SPEAKER_02]: When do you guys think it would be the best time to use that?
[SPEAKER_02]: They have them because they have them because of NBC news.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how they have bad news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've had to buy all new equipment.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've had to set everything up brand new.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole lot of animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't like the running Kyron.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just like I want to listen and watch.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to read.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it, I get it, just, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,
[SPEAKER_02]: Please, I know they can do what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the other things mainstream probably isn't going to cover.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, detenously, seven election is actually really, really important now.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one with afton bane down there.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you, especially if you are listening on D2 or talk, you guys may be a little bit more familiar with some of this type of stuff there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, what was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was about six months ago that I'd heard it was an R plus 30 or R plus 25.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, you know, what I like to get.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last time I checked
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, is still huge, still huge, still down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huge, however, so you lose five to eight points, that's huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lisa Dejron and who is over at PBS NewsHour, she's been great for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's she's she's on a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was doing the the numbers counting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's a thing, uh, with Marjor Taylor Greene, saying now that she is leaving on January my match, uh, I don't let the door hit show with a good large split.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she's got her nice pension.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, you and I were talking about that too, Jodie.
[SPEAKER_02]: She stayed in, she is staying in officially as of January 3rd.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is her five-year mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you are going from five to six year, when you are in your sixth year, as soon as you've started, that's when you fully vest your U.S. capital pension.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not so much the pension, because yes, she's a multi-millionaire from other stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: But still, we're paying for her pension.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but now she'll get access to the gold-plated health care that members of Congress have at the significant decreased rate for the rest of her life until she's able to go on Medicare.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that may enable her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to rent for Congress now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why some people do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I only get elected, Thrace!
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I mentioned Lee said you're sure to handle those because she ran the number.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she says, okay, right now the count in the house is 2 19 R's to 2 13 D's on December 3rd, if Democrats win in Tennessee, that number goes to 2 19 to 2 14 D's.
[SPEAKER_02]: On January 6th, MTG is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: The number shrinks again to 18 Republicans to 14 Democrats.
[SPEAKER_02]: January 31st after the Texas 18 special, which is two Democrats running against each other, it will be 218 R's to to 15 Dems.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then in April 16th, if Democrats hold the New Jersey 11 special, Mikey Cheryl's district.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's leaving when we're going to be governor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be
[SPEAKER_02]: 16 uh... that is a zero vote margin pretty much yeah pretty much so tiny johnson if you thought he was small before he is shrinking even more well he's known Nancy Pelosi and skip the on the she could have worked at
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess I'm sitting here looking at numbers and I am just sitting here going if you're wondering why Republicans are freaking out even more now and why they have literally been providing millions millions into Tennessee, seven, which is a plus 18 plus 20 are the pouring in because they need every damn seat they can get they are scrambling and scared
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really glad about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So plus Afton Bain is a, she's a damn good candidate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe we can see if we get her in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll look into that later after the Thanksgiving, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's dancing with BDD.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You, me and Jodie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last call on a Monday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a holiday week, which obviously means you're thinking about giving gifts We have a really inexpensive gift that you can give and quite frankly it's one that will help out Especially you know your uncle Mike the maga guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you tend to be pretty focused.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's all Sean.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not me.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not all me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been one who co-lates it, but Jody, half the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we do is, is that we have an aggregator.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we aggregate from different sources and then we get these these piles and I will put my pile in an organized pile, I put her pile of organized pile and then that's dirty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I then I correlate them and I figure out and I go, okay, and oftentimes we have either similar stories or literally sometimes the exact same story and I'm located obviously if we both have it, it's pretty good so and it's sometimes she'll have a free link a gift link sometimes I will have a gift link so we try to make sure to you know stuff gets out to you guys you can see it for free.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to be able to do that, but it's a nice process you guys have.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I know because I only do it in one show.
[SPEAKER_09]: I only do one show per week and it's it's tough But you know, I'm doing it by myself and the two of you together That's a great great system you guys have set up you
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of the other things about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great is the fact that if one of us comes at a topic for a particular angle and the other one has a slightly different angle, then we can be like, oh, you know, that's that's a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, I want to talk about the man Danny thing, but I also want to talk obviously about MTG.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not disagreeing on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brooklyn, shut up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are people who are like, oh, she's running for governor.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's still running for senator.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though she's said I'm not doing this.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's going to rent for president.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, when you are playing at the level, and I, you know, I use playing metaphorically speaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: when you're a professional in whatever field it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a professional nurse, like our mom's BDD, if you are a professional in entertainment, like your folks, Jody, or your professional in news and media and informing people like all of us here on these mics are, you play at a different level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then folks who are just fussing around or even semi-professionals, it's a whole other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: when you are in politics, especially in Congress, that is playing in the top league.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's your MLB, your NPA, your NFL of politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's no joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's not to say that, you know, your, your triple A leagues in the states are not important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn skip.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you know triple A ball, that, that is no joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are some fantastic players there too, and some of them, you know, go even further.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of them just make legendary records at that level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody should be glad to have such stars at whatever level.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, Marjorie Taylor Green is to some degree, a semi-pro, semi-amateur who made it to the big leagues, and one of the things that you know, I, I, 100% know you know this journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the phrase that is most common, especially in films about how what it takes
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, oh, it's, well, they aren't me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having been in the Navy as it's similar, but you know, having also done films, no, no, it's even more.
[SPEAKER_02]: With entertainment films, especially more than TV even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hurry up and wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You get to set and then you got to wait for hours before you actually have to do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to get just ready and hold it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: forever.
[SPEAKER_06]: And hope that you're going to do it today.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a thing with filmmaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, among other things, you are dealing with so many people on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So many dealing with so many different people, because they want to capture the moment, the instant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they want to capture different variations of that instant.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that somebody later can look through 10 or 12 or 14 different cuts and go, okay, I want these seven seconds from this direction and these 10 seconds from that direction.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, my brother worked with Christian Slater years ago on young guns, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I went down to New Mexico and to visit my brother and I, Christian was on set, waiting to go and do his job, so he was there, ready to act, but whatever was happening, he never got
[SPEAKER_06]: because it was 12 hours and they're like, go home.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he was on set ready to go for 12 hours.
[SPEAKER_06]: For 12 hours and then never go.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it was like, okay, go home.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see you tomorrow at six.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good professional politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is very similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you ask any of the folks at this area of the bar, down on the hill, here in the DC area of the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: U.S. refers, and they will 100% tell you the same thing, that it is all about hurry up and wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the most important work, under current work, that is done on legislation, which is really the biggest thing that we do here, and implementation of legislation, which is what's done, you know, where from the White House,
[SPEAKER_02]: and even to some degree the the research that's done for the judicial side.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of that is done in the hurry up and wait phase.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes forever forever forever and then all of a sudden everything happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very much like film.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's also when the most important stuff is done and legislating in making laws.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is the most boring-ass part of governing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you get these, you get these semi-prose.
[SPEAKER_02]: These, these glorified amateur.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nega, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to have to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: That really sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of those kinds of things that you folks fear in the bar can understand a little bit of this kind of hurry up and wait in politics is,
[SPEAKER_02]: You are in the minority, like Democrats are now in both the House and the Senate.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have the White House and you don't have the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are some things you can do and Bruce Bartley is one to always say, Democrats could be doing more than they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the overwhelming amount of work that could be done by Democrats right now on the federal level is in the hurry up and wait mode because they got to wait until they have some power.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't have any power.
[SPEAKER_06]: So with with match three toes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Retiring basically.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: On January 5th, officially.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's she's saying that she's saying that in in her long she's like 11 minute long way, I'll play the whole day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Play it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she in 11 minute old video.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that she said basically was that, look, Donald Trump is pissed off that I stood up to him about the Epstein files, and so the magas, right exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maga civil war, real one, and that she says he's going to help fund.
[SPEAKER_02]: a primary challenger.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to have to spend millions of dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Republicans are going to get their asses kicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the 2020s, she's saying this in her video that they're going to get their asses kicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not done.
[SPEAKER_02]: She may not be great politically, you may not agree with her, but she's not stupid.
[SPEAKER_09]: I also thought it was interesting that she, I also thought it was interesting that she predicted an impeachment of Donald Trump, because that was very, and he's done so many illegal things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's right on that, too, which it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think she would have voted for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very possibly, but she says, look, they don't want to spend the next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: begging for money, having to run an election to win back a seat where I can be in the minority and hurry up and wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: then have to go through an impeachment for a guy that I carry the torch for for six years and because and is now threatening me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ten years.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's been carrying the torch for him for ten years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jordie's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact is, I understand her logic and I also understand that if she is kind of a semi amateur, I'm for her to go, you know what, dude?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm done with this piece out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that is a sign to a lot of magas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping that it is a sign to a lot of magas, that if you are not a professional, if you are not willing to play ball at this level, and you're not willing to put up with a hurry.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I remind me of Johnny Dangerously, play ball.
[SPEAKER_06]: Remember that thing, Danny DeVito?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wait, Johnny DeVito, really?
[SPEAKER_06]: Johnny DeVito, Danny DeVito.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not again, but it's just, for you, it's just, for you, it's just exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's just, the, the, the bestages that our maga.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, a lot of them, this has been a very interesting, nice, happy for, hobby for them for about a decade.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now it's getting down to the real.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, Matt just saying, you know what,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine, peace out.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's wealthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: She could go have a a pox show a podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'll make a fortune.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she already has a fortune.
[SPEAKER_02]: She can make another fortune.
[SPEAKER_02]: She likes her crossfit boyfriends She does But that's just what she's saying is is it's okay to piece out on politics That's my take on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're taking maybe completely different.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think she's gonna run I think she wants more power You think she wants to go into this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think she does
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, but what I think is that I think she ought to on her way out like Luke leave a little not of not a literal hand grenade behind her, but like a political hand grenade like totally screw up.
[SPEAKER_09]: Madga school a property if she's feeling some kind of resentment about the treatment that she's gotten and she's been resentment about how maga is you know eating itself and not helping the people then she ought to do something about it she ought to blow it up and let them figure let them sort out the pieces If you're saying you're saying that if she is saying that maga has become corrupted
[SPEAKER_02]: by the old fashioned thing that find them to blow it up and then she can take maga where everyone she can Angela Bassettett boom I like that thought out and I love Angela Bassett doing that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I'm not a fan of hers.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, no, I don't think it's undeniable that she has a talent and a way to gain.
[SPEAKER_09]: She is very good at that.
[SPEAKER_09]: She does.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, she really does.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's any one of our takes could be correct on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know, but this is why we give you informed commentary.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look, we still want to talk with you, BDD about the M.D.
[SPEAKER_02]: anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you hang over for the after hours a little bit?
[SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says as he spins around, whoop the twirl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will talk to you tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got some great guests coming up tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, look, we'll give you some details online.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are actually going to have the after hours online as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So check that out at the politicsbar.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will see you back here tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, by the way, we're going to have some fresh stuff over Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_02]: So be aware of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you tomorrow night.