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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Joe, he is Friday.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's another week in Trump land.
[SPEAKER_07]: But the good news is that, um, Donnie is, uh, house Bob say this.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's lost.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So there you go exactly You know, look it's you know everything is you know, what hey, you know, we get struck by lightning on them, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had it tonight.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had it when I got up this morning
[SPEAKER_07]: Good lighting out there and your corner the bar never happens here.
[SPEAKER_07]: By the way, it's one of those things as as somebody who grows up in Midwest.
[SPEAKER_07]: There there are people if you've grown up in, you know, like you didn't why in California, some of you says earthquakes and you're like, whatever, right exactly exactly there are a lot of people I know who are terrified of thunderstorms and tornadoes, I'm not a fan of either one of those.
[SPEAKER_07]: I have absolutely zero problem with them because I grew up in Nebraska and among other things.
[SPEAKER_07]: So when I used to work, yes, I have a story to start today.
[SPEAKER_07]: But we're talking about them.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know you do.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've seen it, but so literally, one of the, I think it's still one of the 10 biggest tornadoes ever, Halam Nebraska.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just kind of south of Lincoln and I was working with Martin.
[SPEAKER_07]: Damn thing came and, you know, we kind of, we could see it through the glass where like, oh, that's neat.
[SPEAKER_07]: But the radio station, I was also working at still part time there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Our towers were out near Halam.
[SPEAKER_07]: So not too long before that, I don't know, bring months before that.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm like that, our engineer had just put in a new generator.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: This isn't one of these small suckers.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is this for, well, yeah, because it's, you've got, I think we had three of the four stations on that stick.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh God, yeah, it's gonna be big intent.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Giant, giant ass generator.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now this generator was sitting on a big huge square of concrete.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was, oh, I don't know, maybe 12 feet by 12 feet, probably a foot thick, newly poured, whole thing was nice.
[SPEAKER_07]: You have that right next to the building where all the other equipment is.
[SPEAKER_07]: Building is concrete, block building, whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: So huge as, literally, one of top 10 tornadoes, worst tornadoes ever comes through levels, like two thirds of the town, you're like whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it went by our transmitter site, it picked up the generator.
[SPEAKER_07]: Of course it did.
[SPEAKER_07]: But here's the weird thing, Joey.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it picked up the generator, ripped off the concrete platform, set the generator down.
[SPEAKER_07]: The generator didn't even bleep.
[SPEAKER_07]: It didn't even, it was so even in level.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then it took this giant square of concrete, 12 foot by 12 foot, put half thick.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And threw it like you would a tile at a mile and a half.
[SPEAKER_05]: That means that the tornado wanted you guys to still be on the air.
[SPEAKER_07]: really quite frankly, we are always appreciative of everybody who appreciates radio stations staying on the air.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I drove behind a tornado going from Minot, North Dakota to a very small town in Wisconsin.
[SPEAKER_05]: I went to go see a band, friends of mine, and then we're going to go back home.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I have two band guys passed out in my Jeep because they've worked on it, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm dressed white, knuckling it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where I see the tornado in my rear view going, yeah, you're like, you don't know if it's chasing you or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like, that's because they can turn on a dime.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I'm like, okay, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I don't want to drive in this any more as long as I live.
[SPEAKER_07]: All of this is to say,
[SPEAKER_07]: We are well-experienced with what disasters look like.
[SPEAKER_07]: That being the case.
[SPEAKER_07]: Nice segue there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because if you look at the news on tap today, if you're pouring yourself your first round from that, it is pretty obvious.
[SPEAKER_07]: We mentioned this yesterday.
[SPEAKER_07]: We did a lot of discussion about this yesterday.
[SPEAKER_07]: We did.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know what stochastic terrorism is.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if everybody else knows what stochastic terrorism is.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, well, for those of you coming into the bar, you're not exactly sure you're like a kind of know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Here's what the definition is.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is the use of mass media and hateful public rhetoric to incite uncertain and unpredictable acts of violence by unknown individuals with a person generating the calls for action attempts to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the violent outcome.
[SPEAKER_07]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: 100% right.
[SPEAKER_05]: He should be impeached for what he's doing to these people.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, and honestly, Tom Hartman, who, you know, obviously was on earlier today, depending on your local radio affiliate.
[SPEAKER_07]: Tom actually, he has a whole piece.
[SPEAKER_07]: We put it in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the whole thing about it is, yes, is it is what he is doing with that type of terrorism?
[SPEAKER_07]: Is it an
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it is.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's worthy of just because something just because you ever heard that there are two reasons for every action.
[SPEAKER_07]: I had a wise friend tell me this once.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a good reason and a right reason for example when I was going to co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co-co
[SPEAKER_07]: In part because co college did not have a broadcast journalism program at the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't make sense because it's a community college.
[SPEAKER_05]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no, co is not a community college.
[SPEAKER_07]: Co was a four year liberal arts.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, they gave me a huge ask grant after I was in the military.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'll go a fun.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, we'll explore that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Explore that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've never heard that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I did another time.
[SPEAKER_07]: Praise ever in my life.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_07]: Co college.
[SPEAKER_07]: Fun place.
[SPEAKER_07]: Unfortunately, just had to old professor pass away there, but, sorry.
[SPEAKER_07]: Doc Feller salute to you anyway.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, but I had leave, didn't have the money.
[SPEAKER_07]: That was the big, the biggest reason was because of the fact that they gave a grant, co-gave a gigantic grant.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like 20 grand a year back in mid-90s.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: The first year I was there, they gave me about 12 grand.
[SPEAKER_07]: I took about eight and student loans.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, okay, it's not bad, whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's some issues with the military funding for the school.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not going to go into it here anyway.
[SPEAKER_07]: The next year, they pulled their grant back to about eight.
[SPEAKER_07]: The third year they're going to pull it back to four.
[SPEAKER_07]: This, by the way, is a normal thing or used to be a normal thing at that school.
[SPEAKER_07]: So a lot of people started the first two years and they went somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: So these are all good reasons for me not to stay going where I was.
[SPEAKER_07]: The right reason was is that my wife left Co and she went to go live with her parents who had just moved to a place in South Dakota and we were not married yet.
[SPEAKER_07]: We were dating and I still wanted to be close to her so I went to South Dakota because there's a good reason to write reason for everything what we do.
[SPEAKER_07]: The, if Trump is impeachable, he and he is, he, this is an action threatening the lives of Congress members, Democrats or Republicans independent, any member of Congress.
[SPEAKER_07]: If the President of the United States does this, this is an action that should be impeachable.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_07]: However, is it possible to impeach him right now?
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a good reason in a right reason.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are two reasons for everything that happens that way.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I mean, it's the fact that the Republicans that have quote condemned this, even a Jack officer.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, God, and Lindsey.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's a Jack officer.
[SPEAKER_05]: He knows better.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I will agree that he's a Jack officer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sir, but he knows better.
[SPEAKER_07]: Of course he does.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so for him to just merely mouth it, well, and so does Tony Johnson, who well, Johnson is, you know, he's way up Donald's.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: We got a piece right there in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is a Speaker Johnson defense, Trump's seditious attacks on Democrats.
[SPEAKER_07]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: What Trump is accusing others of is what he himself does.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is a, I mentioned it yesterday and a lot of other people have mentioned this before.
[SPEAKER_07]: For them, for a lot of Maga world.
[SPEAKER_07]: every accusation is a admission of guilt.
[SPEAKER_07]: They accuse others of sedition because they themselves are guilty of sedition.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we know this.
[SPEAKER_07]: And yes, sedition is, yes, is it something that Trump should be?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: But here's the other track.
[SPEAKER_07]: So people are like, God, why is he being such an A-hole?
[SPEAKER_07]: Why is the orange turd being such an angry A-hole?
[SPEAKER_05]: There could be some files that he just signed into law.
[SPEAKER_07]: well let's let's go through it just let's let's do a speed run through the news on tap shall we trump is losing at the immigration worse getting his ass kicked there uh... he's losing in the courts he is trump anomics his economic plans and and actions are complete failures republicans have no solution on health care uh... his good government plans are failing uh... he's failing now in foreign attempts uh... in multiple places
[SPEAKER_07]: And Democrats, just two and a half weeks ago, absolutely kicked the ass of every Republican up one side and down the other, and you have polls looking ahead to 2026 that say the Democrats are up 10 and 12 and 14 points for the generic ballot.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: Donnie sees the entire world closing in on him, and he's getting older, and he's getting slower.
[SPEAKER_07]: and Republicans are starting to abandon him openly like Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Bobert, I mean, they took her to the sit room.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but you know, she was told, look, well, we need your assistance.
[SPEAKER_07]: Can you give us a hand?
[SPEAKER_05]: Sean Louise, no, I mean, they literally took her there to intimidate her.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and she, well, because she happens to be a conspiracy nut, when you try to intimidate a conspiracy nut with a conspiracy,
[SPEAKER_07]: you know it's kind of like anti-matter and matter these these two things don't go together she's like oh my god it is a conspiracy so then of course she now she thinks he's at the deep state which kind of is well he's the state right right we could that's a whole other weird conspiracy corner of the universe but the long and short is that
[SPEAKER_07]: Donald is sitting in the center of a pile of losing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Donald right now, he's always been a TV star, at least for most of the time that the public in the U.S. has known him, he's a big TV star.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's actually starring in a, it's a rerun.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's actually kind of a reboot of another series.
[SPEAKER_07]: He is, in fact, the biggest loser.
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen that documentary Lonnie watched it apparently.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've heard that's a decent documentary, so maybe you watch this weekend.
[SPEAKER_07]: But Donald is the biggest loser right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: He knows it.
[SPEAKER_07]: So if you're wondering what his two reasons are.
[SPEAKER_07]: Good reason and the right reason.
[SPEAKER_07]: The good reason that he is acting this way is that Democrats said nasty things about him.
[SPEAKER_07]: The right reason is his entire world is collapsing, and who is just flailing?
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a cage animal right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep, which does make him more dangerous.
[SPEAKER_07]: It does, it also means he's closer to going.
[SPEAKER_07]: Bye!
[SPEAKER_07]: So we'll talk about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll go through that with the news on Tap tonight.
[SPEAKER_07]: Of course, we have a very good drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's one that you can watch, maybe even at night.
[SPEAKER_07]: Of course, we had Karen and Anita from True Blue Politics podcast coming in as well, fresh in your drink right now and come on back, Joey Jody and me, of course, we'll talk more about the politics of the day.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hang on.
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[SPEAKER_07]: By the way, we actually have a piece that we put up today.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's from our interview with Glenn Kirchner on November 4th and it's literally talking about the subject of the day, which is of course illegal orders.
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[SPEAKER_07]: something, here you go.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, Johnny.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, uh, yeah, the illegal orders thing is still the word is illegal.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, you're correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because when, when, when, the Caroline and, and Donald and others are saying, oh, they did something wrong.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no, no, no, they're conveniently and omitting, omitting.
[SPEAKER_07]: They, they are making illegal.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, they are making a sin of omission.
[SPEAKER_07]: which is different than onanism, which we can talk about it in their point.
[SPEAKER_07]: But they are making a sin of omission.
[SPEAKER_07]: They are not saying the important part, which is that Democrats aren't saying disobey any order.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, not even close.
[SPEAKER_07]: Only the illegal ones.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: which we talked about a little bit yesterday.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've still got some of my notes from yesterday on this.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, the unlawful orders, what constitutes an unlawful order in the UCMJ, the universal code of military justice, which you all are drilled into that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, you have to, you have to take a bunch of tests on it and depending on what your MOS is, your specialty.
[SPEAKER_07]: You have to, if you're going into the jag court, if you're going into a pair of legal, if you're going to be any of those kind of things, you have to know the section specific, if you UCMJ, the pertain to what you are, yes, remember the military, that is very, that's part of basic training.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, and you need to know that what constitutes an unlawful order, I still have my list right here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, if your order, if an order is given to you, buy an officer.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that order constitutes, let's see, it violates the U.S. Constitution, requires the commission of a crime or unethical act.
[SPEAKER_07]: It violates federal or military law.
[SPEAKER_07]: It violates international law, including the Geneva Convention, and examples include harm to civilians.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, of example, no weapons to be used on armed civilians.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wait, didn't Donald order people to be shot?
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_07]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_07]: Torturing detainees.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_07]: John, you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: Approved of that, but today.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you can't falsify records either.
[SPEAKER_07]: That is considered the same.
[SPEAKER_07]: You are.
[SPEAKER_07]: You wait for him.
[SPEAKER_07]: You are attacking.
[SPEAKER_07]: records, you are tacking facts is what it's considered to be.
[SPEAKER_07]: So these are all things that are unlawful, also known as illegal orders.
[SPEAKER_07]: Really glad that retired Lieutenant General Mark Hurtling had a great piece from the board.
[SPEAKER_07]: We included that today in the news on tap because General Hurtling
[SPEAKER_07]: I've, I've liked general hurtling for a lot of reason.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're, they're thinking, look, I have disagreements with their right, disagreeing with myself.
[SPEAKER_07]: But in general, he's a, he's a pretty stand-up guy.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he wrote a great piece to help you understand what military members understand about disobeying direct orders.
[SPEAKER_07]: And one of the, the simple things that I don't think folks who haven't been in the military get is that you're here to see O.C., chain command.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Cheney Command is important.
[SPEAKER_07]: Cheney Command is more likely than a lot of people realize.
[SPEAKER_07]: Also, by the way, why many of you are enlisted people if you have friends or relatives who are enlisted and you say, yes, sir to them, and they turn you and they go, don't call me sir, I work for a living.
[SPEAKER_07]: that is a common enlisted comment.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know because I was enlisted.
[SPEAKER_07]: My father was an officer.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's different.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, because the work, the hard work, the dirty work, the grunt work is most often done by enlisted beef.
[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_07]: And there are what's known as brown shirts.
[SPEAKER_07]: These are your higher level, us unlisted men.
[SPEAKER_07]: Your chiefs, your master chiefs,
[SPEAKER_07]: But the way that it works is, I don't know if you caught this one, I mentioned this.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are, first of all, when you go to the military, you're sworn in twice.
[SPEAKER_07]: But there are also different oaths.
[SPEAKER_07]: There is an oath for enlisted.
[SPEAKER_07]: There is an oath for officers.
[SPEAKER_07]: There is an oath for members of Congress.
[SPEAKER_07]: All of these oaths are slightly different.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're the one that the president and vice president.
[SPEAKER_07]: When you see on an inauguration day, and they swear in on that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: These are all, they're similar, but they're not exactly the same.
[SPEAKER_07]: And general hurtlings piece goes through the whole thing in the two different levels.
[SPEAKER_07]: Basically, if you're an enlisted person, you swear to obey the law and obey the officers above you, concludes the enlisted non officers, but the, the, if anybody that's a higher ranking, exactly, Jane, command.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you're an officer, you swear allegiance to the constitution and you swear to protect the law.
[SPEAKER_07]: but you do not swear allegiance to a single person.
[SPEAKER_05]: As nobody shouldn't this country.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is democracy.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is why we have a civilian.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're the people.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right?
[SPEAKER_07]: But here's where Chain of Command comes in.
[SPEAKER_07]: So Chain of Command is to be used in any case where you have a question.
[SPEAKER_07]: In this case, it's a question of a legality of an order.
[SPEAKER_07]: It also could be a question of operations.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, your direct supervisor tells you to do something.
[SPEAKER_07]: You actually know that it's supposed to be done another way, because maybe you have more experience in your direct supervisor.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you know that their supervisor probably knows the same thing you do, even if they don't.
[SPEAKER_07]: And a chain of command, somebody above you tells you something like that, you run to the next person up.
[SPEAKER_07]: You aren't afraid of going up the chain of command.
[SPEAKER_07]: That was one of the things that my company commanders in bootcamp always taught me is, a chain of command is not to be feared.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is to be respected.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is there to protect you and to protect the military, to protect the nation.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: because if somebody above you orders you to do something illegal, if you're, if you're master chief orders you to do something illegal, you go to their, they're, they're officer.
[SPEAKER_07]: If that officer tells you to do something illegal, you go to the officer above them.
[SPEAKER_07]: And people say, doesn't it eventually end in the President of the United States?
[SPEAKER_05]: Eventually.
[SPEAKER_07]: Eventually, there's a hell of a lot of levels between you and them, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you're going to get a consensus, just like you do in the courts.
[SPEAKER_07]: Part of the reason the courts have held
[SPEAKER_07]: And when you get a large enough group of people that says, the role of law and the body of law says, yes, it still has to be implemented.
[SPEAKER_07]: It has to be implemented by people who have the courage, the courage who are courageous enough to do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: With the fact that the matter is, it's a chain of command.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's what General Hurtling says in his piece.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's, and nobody says it's easy, but it's the way that we check ourselves.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's something you guys probably don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Jody, how often do I ask you?
[SPEAKER_07]: Am I right about this?
[SPEAKER_07]: Can you double-check this?
[SPEAKER_07]: Do I?
[SPEAKER_05]: All the time.
[SPEAKER_07]: Multiple times a day.
[SPEAKER_07]: You still annoy the hell out of my mother.
[SPEAKER_07]: You still annoy the crap out of her.
[SPEAKER_07]: Are you sure?
[SPEAKER_07]: Are you positive?
[SPEAKER_07]: But all of my wife, too.
[SPEAKER_07]: But here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: I base a lot of my actions.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, there's some emotion in there.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I try to base a lot of things, off of facts, piles of facts, tons of facts, which makes the actions that I take significantly more bulletproof.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it means that when I take an action, that's it, I'm committing to it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I can give you eight kinds of justification for it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And in part, that's because I was in the military.
[SPEAKER_07]: So if somebody else comes in and you say, this person said this, this person says this, it says this and the UCMJ, this is the record of the ship and this is the record that we've done.
[SPEAKER_07]: Would you like to argue with all of those?
[SPEAKER_07]: Or would you like you to let me do my job?
[SPEAKER_07]: And the person usually above you, who's trying to throw their way to round goes, you clearly know your crap on just gonna go way now.
[SPEAKER_05]: You go, bye, good luck, have fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's how it should be.
[SPEAKER_07]: to me, it's how it should be.
[SPEAKER_07]: And part of that is because I was in the Navy.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was in the U.S. military.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I have that use of that chain of command.
[SPEAKER_07]: But it's important to understand that the enlisted people literally swear a different oath than the officers do, because the enlisted people swear basically an oath to the Constitution and to follow the orders they're given.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: But officers are sworn directly to the Constitution.
[SPEAKER_07]: They are not sworn necessarily to their chain of command.
[SPEAKER_07]: They are sworn to you are the double check as an officer and your, the officer who is in charge of you is sworn to be a double check as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the officer who is in charge of them is sworn to be a double check as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, the fact that Donald said that George Washington would want them hanged.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hell no.
[SPEAKER_07]: Washington was not about that life at all.
[SPEAKER_07]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a good commander, he was a good commander in chief.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was a good president.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was our first, got a lesson.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he was so honorable and he was in some ways there.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are things about if you know George Washington's history, and some of you may have heard.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, then the slave owning are part of him, but they all had contradictions.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're none of them perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: But... A few.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: A few.
[SPEAKER_05]: But not all of them.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're not talking about the women back then.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, no, some of the men were okay too, but in general, George was oftentimes considered to be too nice or too by the book at time.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: It reminds me a little bit of Joe Biden and it reminds me of how I have been annoyed in my life at times by Joe because I'm like
[SPEAKER_07]: But there are reasons that you have the rules.
[SPEAKER_07]: And as General Hurley notes, this is why we have them here.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, as Trump is trying to literally, and not just trying, he is, I mean, he is committing, and he is in his calls to commit violence against members of Congress.
[SPEAKER_07]: He is committing an act of terrorism.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely, because I thought we were toning down the rhetoric after Charlie Kirk got murdered.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they are not telling her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, and Donald also made fun of Paul Pelosi.
[SPEAKER_05]: So did his sons, or at least don't junior.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if Eric did it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But definitely don't junior to him.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know of anybody on the right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't ever, I haven't trusted anybody on the rights.
[SPEAKER_07]: If they're telling me to tone things back, and I'm not talking about people that we know, like, I'm Sherry Jacobas, or Breast Farmman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those are different people.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're different.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because they know the betrayal from the other folks on the right as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're different.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because those are literally people who said, these are the things that I believe.
[SPEAKER_07]: I still believe Joe Walsh, even though he is a Democrat, he is a conservative Democrat.
[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he has things that he believes.
[SPEAKER_07]: However, he still believes in making progress.
[SPEAKER_07]: He would like to reduce gun violence.
[SPEAKER_07]: That would be slowly.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the difference between conservatism and progressivism is conservatism is like, yes, let's progress, but super duper slowly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you're a progressive, you're going to go a little bit faster, quite a bit faster.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you're a liberal, you want to go rock at speed.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I get that.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's, there's a whole range of speeds, y'all.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everybody begins to go with their own speed.
[SPEAKER_07]: So long as people realize the things that we've been doing haven't worked.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, I'm wearing my catabacasala shirt today.
[SPEAKER_07]: What if we didn't suck?
[SPEAKER_07]: What if what if our government at whatever level didn't suck?
[SPEAKER_07]: What if it was effective in reacting to the needs that we have on a faster time scale?
[SPEAKER_07]: And in a way that,
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm reminded of my brother is starting to get ready for his move to Germany and I remember when he was a kid.
[SPEAKER_07]: He would freak out.
[SPEAKER_07]: He insisted on having three ice cubes, not four, not two, but three ice cubes.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is when he was three.
[SPEAKER_07]: Three ice cubes in his glass.
[SPEAKER_07]: dinner like whatever dude.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's different now, but that you know, everybody's different when they were three.
[SPEAKER_07]: But man, he would freak out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, at yellow people who they they freak out at the slightest change.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they're going to people who freak out when, you know, if government changes in is is made to be more efficient and better, they're going to freak out because there's a change.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but efficiency is not doge.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you can be efficient and not that efficient and effective and get things done.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mme Danny actually was in the old today meeting with Donnie.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everybody's wondering how it went, if you wonder how it went, mostly it went pretty okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: And part of the reason you know this is because they actually did they allowed the media in at first.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then they allowed the media in and then Danny standing there to behind a little bit to the president president there at the desk.
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, but the fact that he allowed it in at all is Donald saying I feel comfortable enough to have them Danny in the oval with me with cameras.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I thought that he was a terrorist and as communist and so many things.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, well, the thing is is that as they both said,
[SPEAKER_07]: They both cared about New York.
[SPEAKER_07]: Much as Donnie has trashed New York a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's from there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are ways and things that you can do when you gotta be open to doing whatever you can when you can.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's how you make progress.
[SPEAKER_07]: That I.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You know, like on a TV set, baby.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The drink of the day is like our Denui or a night's watch cocktail, which is inspired by World Television Day.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, which, look, even though we are on the radio, we are doing video these days.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've got, we mentioned earlier, there's a clip of Glenn Goye, we'll be putting up more video, there's a clip of our interview with L.A. Mayer Karen Bass that's up.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll get more videos for you guys, don't worry about it, but I've always had a
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I love it because it's, you know, well, yeah, I see your mom.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you know, hello and your dad.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, come on, you know, super duper producer, Mr. Joe Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, yeah, your family.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, TV family.
[SPEAKER_05]: TV is my livelihood.
[SPEAKER_07]: But it's weird to me in that I've always had a love hate relationship with it because I like TV.
[SPEAKER_07]: I like to watch TV sometimes.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I've always liked radio a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you can, you can listen to the radio and do other things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which television you have to be an active participant.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Even though it's a passive way, but you're still active in it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Your eyes and your ears, or, you know, for those people who are a little bit hard of hearing, then you got to have the captions.
[SPEAKER_07]: But your, your attention is focused and it's hard to do.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: And people are like, I got my phone.
[SPEAKER_07]: I play on my phone most.
[SPEAKER_07]: I can't tell you how many studies they've done where people who are playing on y'all phones and watching TV, you don't end up getting everything from either.
[SPEAKER_05]: Especially if you watch something wonky on TV, and if you can't pause it, it's like, well, I can't go to the bathroom, I got to wait for the commercial or it's like,
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like paying attention to play, or musical, or a band, or a movie in the movie theater.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: You got to pay attention, which nice thing about TV is you can watch movie on TV.
[SPEAKER_07]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_07]: And a history of TV is, I mean, it's really cool too.
[SPEAKER_07]: You got some really good history in there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Filo T, Farnsworth, who I learned about years ago, and then again, in journalism school, there's a lot of stuff to it.
[SPEAKER_07]: The fact that TV was adopted kind of fast and kind of slow.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a comma plate.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, wasn't Hitler on television in 1936?
[SPEAKER_07]: I believe in Germany was one of the first television broadcasts out of Germany was Hitler, yes, yes, but the weirdest thing in the world is Relative to human history TV has moved extremely fast.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes
[SPEAKER_07]: relative to the way that we live our lives, some parts of TV moving forward have moved kind of slow.
[SPEAKER_07]: True.
[SPEAKER_07]: We even got a video.
[SPEAKER_07]: I stuck that in.
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I thought you might like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: For those people who want to watch, you can watch this video.
[SPEAKER_07]: In fact, if you've got a TV that's got internet capability, you can go to the politicsbar.com on your TV.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if you subscribe to the drink of the day, you can watch the video clip that we put in the drink of the day on your TV.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know, kind of gracious.
[SPEAKER_05]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know, it's the modern media world's a little bit kind of weird, where you just, you know, cross on the streams and everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's amazing how expensive the first TV was.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, 14 grand, basically.
[SPEAKER_05]: In today's money, wow.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wow, that's like the first home computers, I think, are similar, similar around 50.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the Walkmen, are you kidding me?
[SPEAKER_05]: That was $3,000.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, when technology is new, and then we get so used to.
[SPEAKER_07]: We get used to having these dumb little things in our hands and we're like, oh my God, you know, you've literally got the whole library of everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the flat panel television that is 60 inches, used to cost thousands of dollars, and now it's like $3.99.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I remember I was working at Walmart when some of those were coming out and I was like, oh my god, and now any of those TVs, they are all long since it clips.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's technology's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: But today, future shock, as you said today is the day that in 1996, the UN General Assembly proclaimed November 21st as world television day.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think they were correct and basically it is commemorating the impact that television has had on culture around the world on education and communication and information and entertainment and uprisings well politics is all part of that too so pretty pretty good thing to commemorate as far as that was.
[SPEAKER_05]: No I mean TV has had a huge impact on all of us.
[SPEAKER_07]: Randy always used to hate it too.
[SPEAKER_07]: She always used to, you know, we do the show.
[SPEAKER_07]: And obviously, she did the show, you know, on free speech TV on YouTube and and she hated that because she said, you know, it's like it doesn't even count on us on TV.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, she's nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I my mom and my dad was born in 1929.
[SPEAKER_05]: My mom was born in 1933.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they did not grow up with TV like.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like the rest of us said, but we grew up with TV because of what they did, because of the things that your dad and your mom did, things that we take for granted are, you know, your mom and your dad and their contemporaries, like Johnny Carson, another Nebraska boy, Bob Newhart, there you go, there you go, um, who else got there were a lot of great talk shows back in the day,
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, talk show host, Steve Allen, he started before Carson, because he was before Carson.
[SPEAKER_07]: But as you said, the history television is, yes, there are all of the Wizbangs and whistles, but a lot of the, a lot of TV, a lot of TV's history is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Walter, concrete, cronky, I get to say that word.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, it's okay, but a lot of, a lot of TV's just been what you and I are doing right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look into the camera and talk into people in other parts and other places.
[SPEAKER_07]: So.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, without TV, I don't think that John Kennedy might have been elected, because people that heard that debate with Richard Nixon and thought he won the debate.
[SPEAKER_05]: But if you watched the debate and you saw Nixon sweating, you did not like him.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, TV literally changed the course in 1960.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is, because I think we got the better president.
[SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately, he was murdered, but we still got the better one for three years.
[SPEAKER_07]: And FDR, FDR may not have been elected, because remember, FDR was in a wheelchair.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, not for his entire time.
[SPEAKER_07]: He, well, they did a lot to prop him up with all kinds of different things.
[SPEAKER_07]: But the fact is, is that if campaigning back then, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Whereas campaigning is now, you probably would not have been elected.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, and then my mother wouldn't have eaten food.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're glad we're glad for the advent of TV in the good parts and the bad parts, well, we got to work on those.
[SPEAKER_07]: We do.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I did that to my pharmacist yesterday because I was calling in a prescription.
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[SPEAKER_07]: What's it a little bit of the entertainment from the news on Tap today?
[SPEAKER_07]: The most valuable comic ever, Superman number one, has sold for a record nine million dollars.
[SPEAKER_05]: A friend of mine has a Superman one.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what printing version it is, but he, I mean, he had everything like he would buy one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, he never a Superman one, but he always put everything in plastic.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he was a hardcore DC college guy.
[SPEAKER_07]: My next door neighbor, their, their, their,
[SPEAKER_07]: All those boy who was actually a friend of mine still ended up being a teacher whatever, but at one point in time for a number of years he ran like one of the best known comic stores in Lincoln Nebraska and in the Midwest, cosmic comics.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so when I was younger and they wanted me to do things like, you know, watch the house while they're gone on or whatever instead of paying me money, they would give me a stack of comic books.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, unfortunately, when Brian lost a lot of stuff in the fire in 2008.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, and this friend also had, he was a Star Trek nerd, like...
[SPEAKER_05]: Bob and like Bob and Mary right and for Halloween this one year because I lived and he was he was the brother of the when we moved to Hawaii we lived with another family he went to Stanford so my little sister and I lived in his bedroom basically had two twin beds and he had a star trek manual
[SPEAKER_07]: Ooh, and this was like 70s.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is 1981.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I wanted to dress as a Star Trek thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so we sent, I mean, they literally had how to make the outfits, like with measurements and everything.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're talking like the manual.
[SPEAKER_07]: The production manual.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I got a, of somebody that my parents knew helped make, it wasn't Bob Mackie, it was somebody else.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, but she showed, and I had to wear the little bloomers, because that's part of it, and it was all, it was just, it was not quite the right blue, but it was still a blue.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a science officer one.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I wore that, and yeah, 1918, 1802 Halloween.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's way too.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to let you wore it and that you're staying here is that it wasn't red.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, because, you know, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: We all know that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Bob and Mary Bob and Mary will school you on all of the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We will.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's something you do for theater.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's something you do for TV, which we talked a little bit about TV last hour, because that's when we did the drink the day.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if you missed it, well, you can go subscribe.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then you don't have to worry about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: You just roll it back.
[SPEAKER_07]: They'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is Friday night in case you missed it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mayor Elect, Memdani was in the White House this afternoon.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Donald Trump said he thinks he's going to be a good mayor of New York.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think he's going to surprise positively some conservatives and some Republicans.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know, it shocks the hell out of you guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: What does Mamden Danny have on him?
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think God was it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the affordability.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a new word, you know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, just made up yesterday.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now I was, was it, I can't remember where there was CNN, I might have not seen in this morning that had Mayor de Blasio on.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Mayor de Blasio had this little anecdote.
[SPEAKER_07]: So Mayor de Blasio had a story.
[SPEAKER_07]: We don't have a shirt that says that, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_07]: So the former New York City Mayor de Blasio had a story, where he was talking about that he had talks with Trump like during the pandemic or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because he was the mayor at the time.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And how Trump was kind of like waxing the stalgic about New York City, like getting soft.
[SPEAKER_07]: He misses it.
[SPEAKER_07]: for all the things that he hates about New York City.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, everybody's got a thing that they, okay, you love LA.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, there are things you dislike about LA, yes?
[SPEAKER_07]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, I'm originally from Nebraska.
[SPEAKER_07]: Traffic.
[SPEAKER_07]: As everyone knows, yes, yes, it's even on my mug.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_07]: But there are things I dislike about Nebraska too.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are things I love about DC.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are things I dislike.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everybody has things they love and they hate.
[SPEAKER_07]: your your hometown that's that's Donald home town is Queens right that's where your heart is and that is where his heart is and he also knows the damage that could be done if they actually he actually did go through and pulled money from New York City and actually really screwed the place up and as much of a monster as Donald Trump is and as much of a monster as the people around him are Donald actually likes New York
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, the stock market is there.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's, yes, money.
[SPEAKER_07]: The thing that Donald loves more than anything is there.
[SPEAKER_07]: But that's, I think he actually, in as much as he is capable of liking anything, the other than himself, Donald Trump likes New York City.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean, it's his hometown.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, they treated him well until he didn't treat them well.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then they don't treat him well now, because he's,
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, in April, and I understand that, and I agree.
[SPEAKER_07]: Donald Trump is a monster.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you know, only a monster sits in the oval office and threatens the life of members of Congress if they, you know, say something he slightly disagrees with, which is absolutely some of the most ass-in-ine behavior.
[SPEAKER_07]: But that's Donald's behavior this week.
[SPEAKER_07]: and that's how that goes.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I, you know, you shake your head, you look at it, but I was glad to see honestly today that the two of them were getting along.
[SPEAKER_07]: I had no doubts that maybe I think could, you know, hold his own.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, God, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's, you know, taking runs circles around Donald.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Whereas Donald, you didn't know, and the press court didn't know either.
[SPEAKER_07]: They had the microphone standing outside first.
[SPEAKER_07]: They had the, you know, the two shot where you have whoever the talking head is or whatever channel it is, and then they've got the microphones outside the White House, and then they did this little scrum, and they changed it and you were like, okay, if you were watching it, you'd notice and you're like, oh, they're moving from one to the other.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, they're going to the oval.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because everybody just thought that well, I heard earlier today that Fox was saying, oh no, he's going to run Donald's going to run circles over.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, they were like, oh, he's got no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_04]: I do, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: I brought Mark Kelly with me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Love him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jason Crowe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maggie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good lander.
[SPEAKER_04]: And here behind me is of course, Alyssa Slotkin.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we have Chrissy Hullahan.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then of course, Chris delusio.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but there is a need of condition.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, our seditioners aren't the traders.
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, yeah, we'll talk people about the fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Reminding military personnel and not to fall illegal orders apparently is now sedition.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though they're taught that by the US military justice code, yeah, yeah, we know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you win the Navy?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, ma'am.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I was.
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, it's it's silly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we talked about that.
[SPEAKER_07]: We will talk about that a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did you guys see today the the meeting between Mamdanne and Trump?
[SPEAKER_07]: We were talking about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he'll trash talk, but not to his face.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember, Kamala's face to my face.
[SPEAKER_07]: I guarantee a hundred percent, exact.
[SPEAKER_07]: I remember when Kamala was saying that and he say to my face, and of course he never did.
[SPEAKER_03]: He never does.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, remember what he met Obama and he was very, you know, he timidated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: A hundred hundred percent guarantee that at some point this evening, if he hasn't done it already, that Donald would get output his brain dribblings on
[SPEAKER_05]: I imagine when he said you're fired on the apprentice, nobody was in the room.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_07]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't really fire them anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was just like a thing that they had a few.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And most of the show, but I assume it was just you're fired.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know what any was done.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're watching, I did, I will admit.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I didn't watch it for Donald.
[SPEAKER_04]: I watched it for the celebrities.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, there was, I can't just, and then it was several celebrity apprentices.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those were two different shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: Celebrity apprentice.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't watch the out, the one, when it was regular.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I worked for a hotel chain at the time that was on a apprentice, and they were trying to do new uniforms and people were trying to vie for the new uniforms.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, and it was it was just like rot it was remember I'm a rose
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she was big and I think I might have seen one episode with her, but I never watched it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just watched that one and I got it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't for that show and it wasn't for television.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mark Burnett.
[SPEAKER_05]: No relation.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Those of you who were here in the bar earlier, you all know that without TV, because we talked about TV with the drink of the day, Donald would not be Donald would not be the White House today.
[SPEAKER_03]: no, he was not they said they would when they came in there or the place was a wreck he didn't have a board meat of our own right So they can go and get the fucking all out right they're taking all that yeah
[SPEAKER_07]: But a long and short it was it was a good meeting and it was a good meeting because you know Donald's heart is in New York City that's it is that's you know and you know what hurt well I mean that's where he's from so he's still kind of has a soft spot for New York City especially
[SPEAKER_05]: want to make it there still.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he still does.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's still, that I think is his most fond dream.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if the people, especially in Manhattan, would actually respect him.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he would probably, you know, go away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he would grow.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, 10 sizes, 10 sizes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but if his heart grew through sizes, Karen, then it might actually be visible, is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I said, there is no heart there any way to grow.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like Dick Cheney.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is true.
[SPEAKER_07]: We were talking to John Fuckel saying last night, and he was saying, you know, he's talking about Dick Cheney's heart transplant.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I said, no, no, no, it wasn't a heart transplant.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was a heart implant.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch this?
[SPEAKER_03]: The funeral.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw clips online.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was happening.
[SPEAKER_07]: They all did the right thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're vice presidents.
[SPEAKER_03]: They all showed up and of course the president.
[SPEAKER_07]: Bush and Joe yesterday was president Joe Biden's birthday and was I know He I think so.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you got on the train and you got on the train and Wilmington rode the train down Did he really of course he did She's a people shook the hands of the people in the car because they're here soft
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because it's Joe Biden, yeah, and, uh, Biden, talking about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he and Dr. Joe went to the, uh, went to the event and then they got back on train and wrote home.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I mean, you know, but that's, that mean Joe Biden was doing that on his birthday.
[SPEAKER_07]: There, there's a certain amount of class and respect.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_07]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we, we expect it from.
[SPEAKER_07]: you got your mayor wherever you know you may or say and I tell them they're Chicago mayor of LA who thankfully we've had in the bar you know mayor of DC there's a certain level of respect and I know even if they don't like each other kind of like Gilmam Danny and Trump showed today and you're like that's what we all expect from everybody who isn't elected official yes
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I, you know, honestly, I feel a little uncomfortable with him meeting with him at the end.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, he did the right thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: He knows what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_05]: You think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's manipulating Donald like crazy right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Jody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, the, I mean, Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Magda doesn't know what to think of, but they've already kind of abandoned trumps.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a whole America first thing they haven't been in the potato.
[SPEAKER_07]: They haven't had a lot of people in the potato.
[SPEAKER_07]: They don't know where to go or what to do tirely.
[SPEAKER_07]: And we can talk about that too tonight.
[SPEAKER_07]: But my whole thing is just the fact of it was the right thing to do.
[SPEAKER_07]: And with the funeral this week for Cheney.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I mean, you got to see W actually looks like he's actually aging.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he does look old, doesn't he?
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: For the long time.
[SPEAKER_07]: You didn't look.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: We all have this, um, I believe psychology is called a latent image, um, I give a latent image in your own head of you.
[SPEAKER_07]: You, uh, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: All the latent images of famous people that we know.
[SPEAKER_07]: and the latent image that I have in my mind of W. Still, you know, last time we saw you from the present.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, no, I mean, just five years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we still have a look.
[SPEAKER_03]: At John McCain.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's aged a lot since those, and Al Gore looked ancient.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I was wondering about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Al Gore was there.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was there in Tostan Quail.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep, there were four, four living vice presidents that were there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Joe Biden was there.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was actually my wife was mad at Barack because Barack and Michelle weren't there, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_07]: Barack actually had his people put it out and he basically said, look.
[SPEAKER_07]: The show doesn't want to go to these things anymore.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to go.
[SPEAKER_07]: Unless I have to go.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you don't want to go, I don't want to go.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, Barack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Will Clinton there?
[SPEAKER_07]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't think the president would say anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's a vice president thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was interesting to see Kamala shake Mike Pence's hand.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh wow, yeah, that don't surprise me at all, calm them up.
[SPEAKER_05]: And smile, they were both smiling at each other.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was what it was like, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk in the class back then.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: They both hate both hate Trump now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they hate the glasses.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's good reason.
[SPEAKER_07]: More than chance, we got another round.
[SPEAKER_07]: We got more news on tap.
[SPEAKER_07]: And of course, Karen and Anita and Jodie and me.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you hanging out on a Friday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hang on.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She loves BDD and then she'll have a conversation, and so now she's hanging out on the bar with us.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, hi Tia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who doesn't look Brooklyn Dad?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lisa Beth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: I saw more of her at Joe's house, Joe Joe.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that was kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_07]: They do their thing in fact on Thursdays.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, which, oh, next Thursday, it's going to be thanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what we can have as you're going to be a show on Friday.
[SPEAKER_07]: No.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we're doing best of Thursday and Friday.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we've got some gifts for you guys.
[SPEAKER_07]: We will have fresh drinks those days.
[SPEAKER_07]: So if you're listening on our radio affiliates or you're listening on the podcast, you're going to want to tune in because there's stuff that you haven't heard there.
[SPEAKER_07]: So plus some of the best stuff that you have heard like obviously we're going to replay Part of our interview with Martin Sheen.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I did that some more stuff too.
[SPEAKER_07]: Also next week Julie Frenchella is going to be here in the bar Which it's perfect for Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well not only that because obviously all of the trauma because you know when it comes to Thanksgiving and family He's most of us have a little bit of trauma, but And the fact that we know it's a say now to people who well to just that are pissing us off
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, play, we've done it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I have to ask Julie about that.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is also Native American heritage month for those who don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: And obviously, my big thing with Thanksgiving and I understand that the difference there are some Native American folks, certain tribes, certain people, who are very much like Simon Moyes Smith, who you may have heard over on John Cuclos and I show a last night.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they're very, you know, don't celebrate.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think we should have a day of thanksgiving at some point in time, and we already do so great put in calendar, but also remember, for example, this is Native American Heritage Month.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you don't know anything about the tribes in your area, first of all, all of us who are here,
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... we are on somebody else's land so we start with that you know you know good finish not just going to say i'm watching uh... can burns the documentary american revolution right and it talks a lot about the native americans and kind of how we screwed them over we did yes we did yes we were in a bin here if it wasn't for them teaching us stuff yes
[SPEAKER_07]: Who in the hell?
[SPEAKER_07]: So you don't take in long holiday trips?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, thanksgiving or Christmas or new years or Easter or foot july or no, no, Karen says no.
[SPEAKER_07]: I need to have ever take a long drive when like a long drive snow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm kicking up for over Thanksgiving or any time, any holiday.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I remember talking like a one hour trip, I'm talking like when when I was a kid, we used to go like from Lincoln Nebraska up to Minnesota, see some family.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, no, never.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me, I get you beat.
[SPEAKER_03]: We drove from Fortress Christie, Texas to Boston, Massachusetts.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: In a station wagon.
[SPEAKER_07]: It would be a station wagon.
[SPEAKER_07]: In a station wagon?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Lonnie used to do that with his family.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he actually was left at a rest stop.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they all just had C. B's.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they finally realized they had left him.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he just stayed there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, they found him though.
[SPEAKER_05]: They did.
[SPEAKER_07]: They kept being like, hey, have you seen a little guy who, you know, he's walking around and he says, I do.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh no, he didn't have a light button.
[SPEAKER_07]: I keep moving out.
[SPEAKER_05]: He just left the restroom and they were all gone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: His uncle thought they had him and his dad thought his uncle had him.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was like a whole like stream of people.
[SPEAKER_05]: They leashed had CBS going, okay, who's got Lonnie?
[SPEAKER_05]: And he was just waiting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: The politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: To anybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: It also happened my brother John years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when he was a kid too.
[SPEAKER_07]: Here's the thing for those of you who have experienced that kind of a thing, especially the long car trips, not the being left blind.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's dramatic, but you plan for this type of stuff, you plan for lunches, you plan for dinners plan for where you're going to stop for gas, you plan for where you're going to stop the P. When the pilgrims decided, you know, screw this European stuff, screw this king, he don't, you know, allow us to do what we want.
[SPEAKER_07]: They may take off, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_07]: They took off across the ocean.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right, they planned for enough food to get them here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right, but not much longer after they got here.
[SPEAKER_07]: which is insanely stupid.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like planning a trip from Corpus Christi to Boston and only planning half of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're like, Hey, we'll figure out the rest on the way.
[SPEAKER_07]: And this is you're doing that in like 1980.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you don't have self-owns in any of that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: That would have been
[SPEAKER_07]: But that is where the pilgrims know well and they got here and then they were like well We're trying to grow this stuff and the ground doesn't work the way that it did in Europe and now We don't know what to hell to do in the Wamponog just we're looking at him like really really really do everything
[SPEAKER_07]: You people are so stupid, okay, we'll take pity on you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now come out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did.
[SPEAKER_07]: That is always the focus to at least for me of being like, if it wasn't for the intelligence and the generosity and the kindness of Native Americans to strangers, how Christian is that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, really.
[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome in the stranger.
[SPEAKER_05]: Crazy, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Good thing they didn't know how that would all end.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's only the one, the one Thanksgiving where we all got along and then after that not so much.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's why we're having Julie Franchelli in for both reasons, both the American history month and the fact that, you know, we've got to have Thanksgiving with people.
[SPEAKER_07]: You may not necessarily like, but at least the people at your Thanksgiving table, I'm betting are not, you know, calling for your death and saying that you're traders.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why I'm not, that's not to my faith.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, my husband's family, there's some maga there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Karen, do you have any people that, you know, in your family?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I have blood relatives that are maga.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_07]: I knew that, Jody.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a cousin, but we're not going to see him.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I pretty much say you have just stopped communicating with him.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's there's nothing wrong necessarily with if you're out there and you're feeling bad.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're like, how long is it coming up?
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'd like to connect with someone so, but you know, I can't stand them sometimes.
[SPEAKER_07]: I remember we used to be able to talk and
[SPEAKER_07]: that you should not feel bad about not hangin' with people because things change.
[SPEAKER_07]: Times change.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: People change.
[SPEAKER_07]: If they wanted to be decent folk, they wouldn't be A-holes.
[SPEAKER_07]: They would, they would say, what's that phrase you said earlier, Anita, that that should be said to Donald Trump?
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, quiet piggy, they would say that to their own inner monsters, and they would just shut themselves up and realize the, look, this goes for people whether, whether you're liberal, whether you're conservative, whether you're a Dallas Cowboys fan in the middle of a bunch of Washington Commanders fans or vice versa.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, there are certain things where when you get together with your family or if you have a friend's giving.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, I did those for years.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, love those too.
[SPEAKER_07]: Not, but you have, you have a friend and you like all your friends, but they can bring a plus one.
[SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes people bring plus ones and you're like, are you sure you're going to be friends with you?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But for the money, for the moment, it's got harder.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because that about politics for me anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very personal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is going harder.
[SPEAKER_03]: People want to get to where.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ten years failed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's failed a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I'm not saying that there's, I'm not saying that we should feel bad about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: In fact, I'm saying specifically that you shouldn't feel bad.
[SPEAKER_07]: That if people don't know how to silence that inner monster, it's okay not to have the round trip.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's okay to to not feel bad about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Certain people don't know how to behave.
[SPEAKER_07]: If they ain't going to know how to behave, I mean, look, we don't let people throw chairs in our bar.
[SPEAKER_07]: Instead, if you got a problem, every time you get pissed off, you pick up a chair, and there's a door, no language in the ass.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just wanted to just found out that a kid that I went to grade school with who's in my little sister's class, his birthday was yesterday.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I wish him a happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen him in person.
[SPEAKER_05]: got 50 years 50 and he just posted something today going I was so honored to introduce J.D.
[SPEAKER_05]: Vance at this thing and he pulled my song and I'm like
[SPEAKER_05]: really.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just ruined everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't say anything about it because I'm not going to because it's stupid to say.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're a good person, Jody.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're a... And he doesn't say anything to me when I post on Facebook by the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we're respectful to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just had no idea until this morning.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, people, yeah, I find that with people that I went to high school with in grade school.
[SPEAKER_04]: I see that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I really like that person.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, our first grade teacher was very nice to him.
[SPEAKER_05]: She said happy birthday because my first grade teacher was a really nice person.
[SPEAKER_05]: But because she's not going to be an A-hole to a kid that she taught 50 plus years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it was just like,
[SPEAKER_07]: Really, it is okay and I think that a lot of times that is something that's it's hard for people to understand Because stuff is personal like you know Karen and there's nothing wrong in being personal, but Well, especially with you have a trans son, so I mean it's super deeper more personal than most you know and I think and I think I told the story when I was over at the Broadway Facility and there was an older white man there talking to this guy that showed up with his oversized flag and he's you know
[SPEAKER_04]: chanting and doing his little sound, you know, his sound bites.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in all of his talking points, same ones that I heard over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, the guy, you know, the soldier man is like, you know, well, we have to be able to talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have to, you know, be able to find, come to some agreements and find, come and ground.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's turned to me and he's like, well, you wouldn't you wouldn't agree with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you and I said, well, well, we could have a, you know, a conversation, but we would have to have a basic set of agreements and one of those agreements would be that everybody has the right to exist.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it depends, so I said, I'm not going to come to the middle when they're not.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's exactly, and that's perfectly fine to say to those people who don't understand.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've got some stories in the news on tap today, especially for a feeling immigration wars.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: What is the update that you have?
[SPEAKER_07]: Because obviously we've got some updates about some of the court cases and stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: The fact that the broad view ice people were lying and we have
[SPEAKER_07]: The temporary there's a temporary whole by the way, federal people's court temporary.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've seen a lot of the mainstream media say, oh, they blocked it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a temporary going to let that go through because for example, knew that case against the woman who was shot by the Border Patrol agent.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think she was near Broadway or whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: They drop that.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've been dropping cases.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they've been dropped.
[SPEAKER_04]: They haven't.
[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't ram them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, the fair release of the facts don't back them up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're lying.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Department of Homeland Security just came out with this thing that showed how many people I have not don't have any criminal record at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why would I have a fact this week, too?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or any percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what they're doing these six percent, this is what they put Department of Homeland Security.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what the truth is, they're counting people with
[SPEAKER_03]: traffic violation right as having a criminal record.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that 40% doesn't even have a traffic violation.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's now in the of this 615 people here that 16.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were ordered 16.
[SPEAKER_04]: that they were ordered to release, I think it was a point, they figured it out and it was like 0.02%.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we just kind of read here and 150 people were arrested.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I think they were having like a, some sort of party was a 15th birthday party, maybe a 18th and air or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so they were out there and they arrested 150 people and then you should have heard the news reports.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were, they rested all these criminals trying to rob 150.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding me to 15 year old birthday party?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, confetti and a Keaton era is no man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I know, but they rested 150.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, okay, so maybe there were 250 there, but I'm going if it's a rowdy party, it's a rowdy party.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they're in the hot gang.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the point is they're running.
[SPEAKER_03]: My point is they're running.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're finding out a lot of the mainstream.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, on top of it, then you look at the data.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I shouldn't even know they're asked from a home to grow and comes to data.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's the case, actually, that's there.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're guarding the Broadview Detention Center where one day after they're sued, oh, we lost all the evidence.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we got that story.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you miss that one, that's also when they news on 10 today.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then they're still trying to deport Kilmar or Brighogarcia and their
[SPEAKER_07]: I ain't about it and I think the fact of matter is is that the, you know, to be afraid of them is kind of silly, because they don't have their poop in a group.
[SPEAKER_07]: They don't know what to hell they're doing, and I can glad for all the people who are standing.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm thankful for all the people who are standing up and doing the radio and saying, you know, what, bite me, man, we don't need this.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just a bunch of clowns.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the whole administration, they invaded Mexico by mistake.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: We have that story in the news on tap, too.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I want to get the full update from you, Karen.
[SPEAKER_07]: On the whole, uh, broad view facility.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_07]: What you have been finding out.
[SPEAKER_07]: What you have been, you and your friends have been dealing with there.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, uh,
[SPEAKER_07]: you know, we'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_07]: We obviously have more to talk about from the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is Friday night.
[SPEAKER_07]: And yes, we do have last call coming up, but you know, it's carrying the needle.
[SPEAKER_07]: We usually hang out with them from the laughter hours.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because
[SPEAKER_07]: wouldn't like to hang out with Karen and Anita after hours so which you can do that by the way anytime if you go and subscribe to True Blue politics you can do that just go to the guest section under the news on tap we got the click you can go right there we got one more round last call for the week coming up here at the politics bar so fresh in your drink do what you got to do and come on back hang on
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Of course, we have Karen and Anita from True Blue Politics hanging out on Friday nights with us as they usually do because it's nice to win now the week with friends who are informed.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know what they're talking about and you and you don't have any.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they both have nice racks.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: I like making bread with the wrong with that, you know, but I can be surrounded by attractive intelligent women.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm good with that as a guy.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm perfectly fine with that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm really happy with that to be honest as a cis head guy.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's my thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I, we were talking here and I wanted to get your take on, you know, life at broad view this week.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I could practice it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really quieted down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I bet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's it's definitely quiet.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have not heard this is probably the first Friday in what three months that I haven't had helicopter.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's really, it's really quiet over there and a couple of the folks that I met at the tent that we had there, you know, with water and if you're stayed supplies.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've been over there and they told me, I'm like, I haven't seen anybody have you and they're like, no, it's dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that a lot of people are actually because there was an abduction not too far from where I live.
[SPEAKER_04]: Less night that came up on the alerts.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there are still people that are trailing and following ice and then there are, I think people are shifting their focus to the community.
[SPEAKER_04]: And helping with, you know, the shut-ins, the people that are not leaving their homes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So turkey dinners are going to be delivered on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be people are getting involved moms in, you know, pretty affluent neighborhoods are coming together and doing rapid response and they're doing grocery delivery and driving kids to and from school and things like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So people are shifting and figuring out what they can do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you hear what happened in Charlotte?
[SPEAKER_05]: with kids going on strike on Monday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: But this is our place here, the community that we all have together, and it has been interesting to watch how the United States as a whole, the good people around the U.S. have really
[SPEAKER_07]: teach taught each other as as a community.
[SPEAKER_07]: So when the ice monsters first came to L.A. to your corner of the bar, Jody, and you guys learned a few things.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then you passed it on to some of the people in DC.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then you learned a few things.
[SPEAKER_07]: I passed the folks in Portland who learned a few things.
[SPEAKER_07]: They passed it on the folks in Chicago who learned a lot more and taught the rest of us a lot more.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they passed it on to the people who are in Charlottes and other places in North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then they passed it on the people in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_07]: But what you do is you passed around all the neighborhoods and everybody says, hey, I'll learn this.
[SPEAKER_07]: You talking over the fence and our fences days aren't necessarily like the ones in the backyard, over on the alley.
[SPEAKER_07]: The fences are digital fences.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think, you know, for me, there was so much anxiety when this all first started because we really didn't have an idea about how people were going to respond.
[SPEAKER_04]: and how people were going to rise up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so with the no kings, marches, and the great, the huge numbers, and then just seeing the community here in Chicago, railing around and people just can't really define it and not having it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, okay, you know, there are a lot of good Americans that are willing to do something.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a pop-up protest in place.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But it's well, it was, I mean, you know, and look, we just had Mayor Bass was it last week, she was here?
[SPEAKER_05]: What's the two weeks ago, okay?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and she still said that, yeah, there's still something here.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's still here.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's still the way in DC just talked to him.
[SPEAKER_07]: He may or may not be in next week as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: And there is another thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've got a story on that.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's also in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_07]: So there was a federal ruling came down yesterday evening.
[SPEAKER_07]: I believe that they got about three weeks to get the guard out of DC.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I heard that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is unlawful.
[SPEAKER_07]: Which is great.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're given time to appeal.
[SPEAKER_07]: Jared just said, you know, it's calm down there, but there is still some there.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you're you're going to see so much a cargo.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're going to see some in Portland.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're going to see some of the these ice monster still roaming around everywhere.
[SPEAKER_07]: And again, they do not feel the impunity.
[SPEAKER_07]: to do whatever the hell they want to do.
[SPEAKER_07]: And as soon as they do pop up, communities are popping up immediately and they're saying everybody neighborhood, get on on whatever app, whatever text chain it is and everybody's talking and everybody's given alerts and learning all the things that we've learned from all of the communities around and I'm sitting there going, that's that's the kind of community effort that that makes me proud to be in a
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, even very unpopular.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very unpopular.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there are people actually leaving.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, there is a very big difference.
[SPEAKER_04]: So because people keep talking about the corridors for the national guard to leave.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not worried about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've said this before.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not worried about the national guard.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the ice.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's this.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the CP.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, C. P. B. DHS.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right on.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are they doing in North Carolina?
[SPEAKER_03]: We were talking about this or in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're only supposed to be within like a hundred miles of a corner of the traffic miles.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've increased that and they look a lot of the stuff that they have is in court.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's one of the things that Donnie is losing on a lot of this stuff as it gets built and there are so many.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think of the of the court cases that we've got that we talk about, the different things that he's lost today on all kinds of stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_07]: Call me, that's a fair thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Trump judge, bomb a judge, like literally like two-thirds of these judges in these cases, our judges, many of them, he appointed in his first term.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what if one of them was a Trump judge that over-charge that Texas gerrymandering?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, what I'm saying, so many of the cases that he's losing because these folks, among other things, especially the judges.
[SPEAKER_07]: They know that look.
[SPEAKER_07]: I got a job for the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_07]: I got to I got worry about this as far as that goes.
[SPEAKER_07]: What I do need to worry about is staying true to the law because the other judges the legal system where I'm at that can kick me out if I happen to ditch the law in favor of rule of donning.
[SPEAKER_07]: But if I stuck with the rule of law.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm good to go.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pam Bondi and what's your name, Lindsey, uh, Halligan, Halligan, they're going to find that out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, they are.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we're going to, we missed this a little bit earlier this week, because we've, we've mentioned we were going to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: They actually could lose their law like this.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, literally the head of the DOJ could lose from license to practice law.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's just unbelievable what they did.
[SPEAKER_03]: not even showing the indictments to the grand jury and yet it's not surprising.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also when she's excited to the grand jury, she misled them about she said that call me had to prove is in exactly right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's like that was about to say that Anita.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when she said that the prosecutor doesn't have to prove it, the defender's healthy and well proven innocence.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, under the way they want to do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah,
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: How did she pass the bar?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she just went to a bar, because it's a very low.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where did she go to law school?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now she was, she was, she was, she was a, she was a, an insurance lawyer.
[SPEAKER_07]: And remember, there are a lot of kinds of lawyers.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's family.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's, you know, she did.
[SPEAKER_07]: And she did.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's law for like a decade or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, you know, but she didn't have to, what were you about that kind of stuff?
[SPEAKER_07]: She never been in the courtroom.
[SPEAKER_07]: She doesn't know what she's doing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Pam Bonnie is a much, much better lawyer.
[SPEAKER_07]: Pam Bonnie reminds me.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, she is a lawyer.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, actual lawyer.
[SPEAKER_07]: She's also actually smart, but she's very corrupt.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, she reminds me of certain certain women that I've known that I've met in different times of my life where they are externally pretty.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's how we say it, Jodie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a pretty, a
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's we haven't heard hiding our hair.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we're talking about talking about people coming together as a community.
[SPEAKER_07]: The the survivors have come together as community, but they have been in touch and their lawyers have been in touch with a lot of the states and the localities that also have copies of these documents and different things and there is an avalanche of this stuff that is waiting out there.
[SPEAKER_07]: So people say, oh, well, the DOJ has got now what 29 days to produce the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll be redacted, redacted, redacted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, but listen to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: What they passed says that they have to explain everything they reject.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they can't keep things out because it's going to embarrass the government official.
[SPEAKER_03]: That thing was written pretty well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And not only that,
[SPEAKER_07]: If they do redact something, you've got copies of these documents, they might have copies in Florida and DC New York and New Mexico and copies that the lawyers for these survivors have as well that they have just, you know, tucked in their briefs as far as the legal briefs, not the other briefs.
[SPEAKER_07]: But they talked to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The database of briefs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe both.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like so on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the brief and the briefs.
[SPEAKER_07]: it's safer there but the the idea is is that when they put as soon as the DOJ puts this out you're going to have all these different people comparing all of these things and by doing so you're going to be able to erase
[SPEAKER_07]: Most of the reductions other than the victims and nobody wants to release the victims names.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, nobody.
[SPEAKER_03]: It means.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, if it was so easy for them to manipulate it, they would have done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have been desperately trying to keep us from getting those.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, as Allison Gil told us here months ago, when we had her in and she was on that broke the story before, right, it was Ken Delanean, remember I said it was on political no was Ken Delanean, who, yeah, right, who tried to borrow her stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know, AG is the one that found out that there was a body assigned to thousand people to hunt down and try to, you know, scour out Donnie's name from all this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so those thousand people know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we must be very, very careful, though, not to create more victims of these Epstein.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know this floor.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not really big enough to do that.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is that people.
[SPEAKER_07]: After after the last couple of weeks, I am very heartened by a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_07]: The elections, the actions of community coming together to fight the ice monsters, the
[SPEAKER_07]: And especially because we're heading towards Thanksgiving, like I said, you know, I like the holiday, but it's not because of what happened then.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not because of what it is to me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_05]: You mean Donald's dementia?
[SPEAKER_07]: He thinks your mom's can't get to put it on his cancels.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we obviously have more to talk about.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we're going to talk about it here in the after hours.
[SPEAKER_07]: For those of you who are leaving the bar from live radio, don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: can always go over to the politics bar.com.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll make that available.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you guys can listen and join us in the after hours as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: Next week.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've got BDD in.
[SPEAKER_07]: We have Julie from Shella coming in.
[SPEAKER_05]: We may have Mindy Rickles and her husband Ed man.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're and Bob Ceska and Bob Ceska.
[SPEAKER_07]: And she's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And too.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, it's going to be a good week next week.
[SPEAKER_07]: So rest up this weekend.
[SPEAKER_07]: Get your stuff prepared for the holiday and then rejoin us on Monday night here.
[SPEAKER_04]: at the Palm Beach Park.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're thankful for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good luck to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: We are.