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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Troy and Jill, and you're listening to Revived Thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't read that he humbled himself by stepping down from his chariot bowing low, or uncovering the low some sores of his body before the prophet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, he remains seated, proud in his ropes,
[SPEAKER_01]: Every episode, we bring you a different voice from history and a sermon that they delivered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today, we're going to Ireland in the 1700s, to listen to a sermon that was originally preached by John Sinek.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying Sinek is a pronounced Sinek who knows Troy Wanderer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It might be scenic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not John Cena, which is what people will be thinking when they hear the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly, but it's not the famous John Cena.
[SPEAKER_02]: John Cena, but he's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the, he's the, he's the, going to be the second most famous John Cena starting sounding name we got here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joel, I'll, I'll take your thunder from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: How you doing, man?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing good, I'm doing well, I'm blanking at the moment, I don't know, ask me some more detailed questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, oh, it's tough to suddenly explain how you're doing on the spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wouldn't know how that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been on the receiving side of the hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you doing this for real?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's what an intense question is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't want how you doing it somebody, just out of the blue.
[SPEAKER_02]: doing good over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been so is I cannot believe how busy things have been and the worst part is one of those seasons where it's like Yeah, you know, we we we we we're like you're busy and you don't see the end getting like it's gonna be another terrifying sure Another month for sure before we get to the light at the end of the tunnel, but I all the things that we've been able to do have been good and so I'm pretty excited
[SPEAKER_02]: Excited for where things are headed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So nothing is gone wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just been extremely busy Yeah, so we feel we feel that also fun thing Joel.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had we had some of your weather over here last week We had a tornado come through our tiny little town little sleepy down here in the middle of Indonesia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know
[SPEAKER_02]: that that's common, everyone seemed very surprised by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, my understanding is tornadoes are very much a North American phenomenon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they can, like, fluke fluke fully happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know flukely is a word, but flukefully happen in other parts of the world, but they don't necessarily regulate or occur.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like the sight of the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a world that's in this, so like, they do have the world of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they must have seen some tornadoes, but they know of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're definitely not like, you know, Kansas City where it was like, you know, there was like tornado warning season, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you gear up for the tornado season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, I mean, at least of Marta's missionaries, my wife, she did have to leave a car and could see the tornado behind her one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, like, it was a lot more tornado action there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very surprising to have it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But our house was totally safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there have been some people whose houses were damaged quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we feel.
[SPEAKER_02]: very blessed and appreciative that we completely we completely dodged everything and I was actually standing outside when it came by with our students having like a lunch break and nobody got hurt some branches flew around but we didn't even know it was a tornado until later until somebody saw kind of a wind-dude rainstorm.
[SPEAKER_02]: it was just a surprising I mean really was like there was no warning no dark clouds they don't have tornado sirens or at least they weren't going off nothing like that suddenly just a very strong gust of wind like flew under the pavilion started knocking stuff around branches came down we rushed to students inside and the next day somebody was showing me a video someone had captured of like a cyclone like not fully coming down but in the air passing over and I was like wow that was
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know where it came from.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very, very odd weather.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's our excitement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't got anything to match that, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got, I don't got anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't compete with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been pretty, uh, pretty chill, pretty, uh, well, hey, we had a tornado.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you guys have a volcano or something fun to kind of even things out here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bring a little bit of the window.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, well hey Jill we have some positive responses we always try to share when you guys leave comments and things where we can we've been getting emails and stuff like that but today we're going to look at Spotify.
[SPEAKER_02]: Karen says great more Oswald Chambers please on our episode Oswald Chambers and I got to say Oswald Chambers is a fantastic and we actually haven't covered him in a pretty long time and so you know what Karen we might actually be up for some more Oswald Chambers here in the
[SPEAKER_02]: Debbie says on Basil's on prayer one of our recent episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for the episode I like how you had the challenges of in the great lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it the even Basil more understandable in human blessings.
[SPEAKER_02]: I yeah that episode we specifically kind of covered how at the In the Basil's life he probably didn't feel like Basil the great and how a lot of things look dark from his perspective But the Lord definitely was doing great stuff that he just didn't get to see the complete work of
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this one, I like this person right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not the first time they left an episode comment for us, but I think it is the first time on Spotify.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rain Wilson says, wonderful podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait for you to cover some of Bazel's contemporaries, oregano, or Fennelli, or Fennelli, Marjoram, is amongst my favorites.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you know this, but Rain Wilson is the name of the gentleman from the office.
[SPEAKER_02]: He plays Dwight Schroot and we last time we left a comment, I said, hey, this is the guy from the office as far as I'm concerned and I think your proof is right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's leaving jokes just like the funny people would do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we appreciate you listening and we thank you and also we would definitely have some good episodes on a regular parsley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, some of the other breaking spices.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had where we can literally just as you were reading it out loud just now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I finally clicked with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not understand what they joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were sitting there like, who's a raking of the great?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's you know, it wouldn't surprise me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just, all right, Ryan's given us some homework here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to make him get out of like, oh no, he got me, he got you, he got you good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was a great joke I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked it response.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was something dumb and also punished, but I enjoyed it It was probably a punishment to read but at the same time too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's a spice You really can do food.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in case to, to, I'm trying to help our listeners in case there's a, to fully explain the joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he basal as basal and then he mentioned other spices.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's what rain will send, as aka died, Dwight Shrew from the office did for us there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we appreciate, I, I feel that for him because he's probably not actually Dwight Shrew from the office and he probably is like, even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even the podcast I listen to make that joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just but you know, can I just be rain?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to be alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was named this way before my parents ever, you know, before the office ever came around, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the other side of it, you know, what if he is the actual one?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, our show is helping make a difference in his life and who knows who knows the impact old or thy thoughts is making them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the Hollywood actor, seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rain, I normally tell everybody to write in, but maybe rain don't write in, because we can keep the fantasy going until you officially tell us you're not doing it from the office.
[UNKNOWN]: So...
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we talk about John Cinec?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we should talk about John Cinec here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to really emphasize, normally we look up how to pronounce our names beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did the Cinec or send a Cinec family?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do apologize.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with Cinec, and I think Joel's Cinec's content to go with Cinec.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then one of us will be right and we don't know which one is and and and and one and maybe again I'm gonna ask don't write in I don't I know I'm wrong one of us and we know we're we're probably wrong If you write in and tell me as canic I'm gonna be so I mean come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna give us a break here, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like seeing things in our close enough to where it yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure there's people that disagree with us, but that seems close enough to where it shouldn't matter personal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Look here, pronunciations have changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you know you're pronouncing it the correct way from the 17 like tens?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we know it wasn't pronounced differently?
[SPEAKER_02]: So no one really knows what this name is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go with scenic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sending is new for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he new for you, Troy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he's kind of a guy that I've, I really think I've seen his name in like a himdo or something like, I know what I've seen his name before, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because scenic, John scenic, in my head, I can picture me going on, like, John scene somewhere at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I'm aware of his existence, but we've never covered him on this show before.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I definitely didn't know his story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest, it was actually, it was one of the episodes where I was cutting a bunch of stuff because I really wanted to keep telling a story because he had a really awesome story.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't want this episode's intro to go on for 45 minutes, so I had to cut things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I really, really found him to be a really cool and very fascinating guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's actually kind of like, we'll get into it as we talk about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But part of what makes him interesting is he's running with the great awakening crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he also kind of does his own thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he also kind of gets in fights with all the great awakening guys a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, well, with one of them, it's quite bad, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for most of them, it's kind of, it's like, okay, we're not, we're not best buddies.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's like cut from the same cloth.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, I find it very, I found him very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt like learning his story gave me a lot more context for understanding John Wesley Charles Wesley and George Whitfield as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I would be fascinated just to kind of focus on Ireland in the past 500 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of, it's kind of very wild and fascinating just to see what's been a little deep dive on Ireland coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little deep dive on Ireland, a little overview of Church history through Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually that would be pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could certainly I mean because I'll be honest when I was going through this guy's story I was like, you know, I am now realizing I don't know very much about how Christian works in Ireland I know that at least put together an episode on St. Patrick and I've just assumed it all has been
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say it's all been hunky dory because we all know that that is not the case with Irons history, but I don't know, you know, I don't know why it hasn't been a hunky dory.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it would be interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get little snippets.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did an episode of a guy who went to Ireland and preached there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't go very well for him and that was in the 1600s.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we also know that we've covered like because we've covered the English civil war so many times.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've, you know, like stuff that happened in Ireland has come up here and there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as for just a straight run through, it'd probably be really helpful for us to know what was going on in that country and, you know, why we have it the way it is today.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to put that on my deep dive list.
[SPEAKER_02]: That might be where we had next since we just finished recording part two of the night's Templar.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: John, cynic, we're in the 1700s.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start in England here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is 1718, John cynic born in England.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's worth noting, and it's also kind of a sad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had a relatively short life.
[SPEAKER_01]: He only lived to be 36 years old, which
[SPEAKER_01]: is too short.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a short life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Troy, you're coming up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you at?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're at 34, 35?
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I'm glad he said that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're coming up on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, where's he going to say that?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're coming up on the 42, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Troy, you're getting close to that age, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm 34.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this guy is only made it another year and a half past me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not there yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe 36, I'll feel differently, but I don't feel ready to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't feel ready to call it quits.
[SPEAKER_02]: and also it is kind of roughening read these guys life and you look at how many things like a john scenic or a robber marionic chain or an odds of all chambers did or you know some of these guys who lived only to be about thirty nine forty years old thirty six years old in robber marionic chains case like twenty nine years old and then you look at your own life you're like well
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not there yet, and at the current pace, I'm never gonna get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's okay, we're not supposed to compare ourselves, but it is humbling to just see how amazing some of these people are and just how many things they managed to get done as well, that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, John's family lineage comes from a series of, I don't know if I'd say religious persecution, but he's got some interesting lineage there.
[SPEAKER_01]: His parents were Anglican, but his grandparents were Quakers, and they actually got imprisoned by the Church of England for their beliefs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we go back even further, at some point in the 1600s, their family migrated to
[SPEAKER_01]: do to religious persecution that they were having there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, interesting series of events that got them to where they were in England where he was born.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the age of nine, Sineke had this experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: His aunt was dying, she was in the process of passing in her death bed, and she was going through some of her kind of final words that she was talking through, and amongst them were these statements of confidence in the Lord, and Sinek recalls her saying that she knew that she could stand quote as bold as a lion before the Lord, and this stuck with Sinek because he could not relate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't quite grasp.
[SPEAKER_01]: how his aunt could be so confident that she would be before the Lord after she passed away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we see this from time to time and it's kind of sad where it becomes a torture the individual where they are just in fear of the judgments of God and that kind of sticks with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this would stick with John Sinek as he grew up and became a teenager.
[SPEAKER_01]: It regularly bothered him and he would regularly lose sleep over the fear of facing the judgment of God He tried to do good works to make up for it to make God happy, but you know he never felt like he was doing good enough and so this psychologically kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: Exhausted him to the point where he just kind of gave up trying to please God or or make God happy and ended up kind of falling into a lifestyle of sin, with gambling and stealing and dishonest friends and such that he made his company around.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also can find a job, so he made 8 trips to London.
[SPEAKER_01]: trying to job hunt trying to job seek couldn't find one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a bit of a lost childhood it seems like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously didn't quite have a good firm grasp on the gospel or what the grace of God was.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard not to kind of paint that stereotype in our modern lens of a jobless teenager that is depressed, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's kind of the impression that I'm getting.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you can't, and I think it's true though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really seemed like he went from the, I'm afraid of the power of God guy to I'm going to hide and play away my days because I don't want to face reality and then kind of become despair.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his trip was kind of a dark one there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but I, but he, I mean, he,
[SPEAKER_02]: He said to like it almost drove him crazy his fear of the fear of god like nightmares and just constant like I mean He couldn't sleep at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard any sound and he's like leaping.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean just it that to dull that away It seemed like he had the chase pleasure and that just wasn't working All right, but despite all this you may think okay, so he didn't grow up near the church No, he did he is mom took him to church all the time He went to take communion like every morning and night, which I guess was something the communion at the Anglican church did at the time
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he was there every Sunday for sermons, uh, want, I mean, he so he was a regular tender.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had heard many times gospel Bible, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just, he just was like trying to, I guess, isolate it from himself, compartmentalizes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one source even said that it was while he was at one of these church services that while they were reading the songs at church He had a convert his conversion experience where the Lord became real to him and we do know a song that it was that was read It was song 34 and it was specifically the line that says quote he who puts his trust in God Shall not be desolate that line desolate broke him because he was like that's me I'm desolate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel completely desolate right now
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to do, and in that moment he says, he heard the voice of Jesus say, I am your salvation.
[SPEAKER_02]: He trusted and Christ fully from just that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was broke down, and it would never be the same again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Later on a few months later, he was with some friends, and some people he didn't know very well at a house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone started pulling out cards to gamble.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't gamble anymore, because his commitment to Christ was very real to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Guy basically called him a prude and said, you remind me of this guy Charles Kinchin over at Oxford.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's just like you, he'd ever had joins in on any fun too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And seeing it was like, well, he sounds like a great guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to go meet him.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are others being like me basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he went to Oxford to meet Charles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Charles Kinchin was a part of the Oxford holiness club that John and Charles Wesley and George with field had set up.
[SPEAKER_02]: to spend every minute, every hour of every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about it so many times on here, but if you've never heard it before, they set every hour like a side.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you'd wake up at 6am, read the Bible, at 7am, you'd go to breakfast, 730, you pray.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every hour was methodically, and it became known as the Methodist Lateron, methodically laid out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you knew what you're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things these guys did is they went around preaching, they went around teaching, and he meets,
[SPEAKER_02]: this Charles Kenshin guy from that group because again one person said he was like him that guy brings them over and introduces him to John Charles Wesley and later on George Whiffield and before you know it John scenic is in with this group of fellow like my new people and these guys are
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't know the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't know that these are names that are going to completely rewrite the world history, church history, whose books are still being read, whose sermons are still being enjoyed, who are going to, you know, he has no any of these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just knows, hey, there's just some guys who are converted by Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: who are no longer feeling desolate but are following the Lord and that they're like me they're not gambling they're not drinking they're not doing all the things all these other guys are doing um he or sermons by them they continue to encourage him and convict him um he did very well they quickly saw like he had potential to be a teacher
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, there's a little bit of a debate among scholars, whether he was actually the first open air lay preacher of the Methodist movement.
[SPEAKER_02]: He felt convicted to go preach just to the fields where people were.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they gathered around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: There seemed to be a team of them that started this process and John Cena.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he wasn't the very first guy to do it, he was on this first wave of this first team going out and preaching outside to people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's something that the,
[SPEAKER_02]: great awakening will become very famous for being leading this idea preaching out to the open fields full of people so they can all hear outside the churches and it's also something that I even to the state people are still doing some of this stuff and it all is this huge part of the great awakening and if John scenic again wasn't the first he was at that team that tip of the spear people leading that movement and just even that aspect alone too if these guys hadn't done that who knows how differently how different the story would go and so scenic
[SPEAKER_02]: For a name that's not very famous, he's doing a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this was not a full-time job, like the people had jobs on the side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sinek was a shoemaker on the side, so that was kind of his profession.
[SPEAKER_01]: We never did get any word on how good his shoes were though, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a possibility they could have been quite poor shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they might not have been his best work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, me though.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, all right, we'll get back to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just a better preacher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the southwest portion of England, there's a town called Wiltshire, and that's where they were sent to Preach him and his buddy Howell Harris.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were kind of this tag team duo that was going out to Wiltshire to preach the gospel
[SPEAKER_01]: and it did not go super well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It turns out people will shy a lot of big fan of the method of shirts coming in there and preaching and they were quite mean to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this would be them kind of standing up in the town and preaching and that opens them up to getting harassed by the local population.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's these accounts that sounds terrifying where they would take like their their muskets, their guns and get them
[SPEAKER_01]: close to their head and shoot off kind of near it where you wouldn't hit them, but you can imagine that being very loud and disorienting and that would definitely make your ears ring quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they would say when they would come home at the end of the day, their faces would be black from foot, from the rifles that were getting fired off in their face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are preachers I've heard who are like off a baby cries while I'm preaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: I struggled to preach me like it throws me off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine a guy's aiming a gun just a foot above your head and shooting and gun powder flying on your face.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine that's both distracting to you and the crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you wish you could see it, don't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you wish you could see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys just continuing to preach while that's happening because man, I bet you the people were riveted because I mean, if these guys miss you,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, I don't imagine it was a very attentive sermon.
[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to, yeah, on another occasion, they are getting dust in sewage out of the highway gutters, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You have your streets and all of the poop from all of the cattle and horses and wagons and such that are going by get
[SPEAKER_01]: tossed down into these gutters, and so people from the town are getting the sewage out of these gutters.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a, like, it sounds like a makeshift hose that they were using to spray poop waters, actually on, on them as they preached, and there's this quote that, uh, Sinecast, he says quote,
[SPEAKER_01]: While they shoured on brother Harris, I preached, and then when they turned the hose on me, he preached.
[SPEAKER_01]: This continued until they ruined their hose, and then they just threw whole buckets of water and mud all over us.
[SPEAKER_01]: After we left town, they dressed up two images, called one cynic and the other Harris, and they burned them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next day they gathered about the home of Mr. Lawrence, who had received us, and broke all of his windows with stones, and cut and wounded four of his family, and then knocked down one of his daughters.
[SPEAKER_01]: in quote.
[SPEAKER_01]: So terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: My goodness, they are way more chill and casual about all of this happening than I would be because that is the type of behavior that would run me out of the city forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's a mob riot, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If they're breaking the windows of the house that you're staying at.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just one bucket like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that I keep preaching for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: I let alone to just take turns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all right, it's your turn for the bucket.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll pick
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love how he's like, we're just, you know, when he was getting down, so then I'd pick up the mantle and preach for a while and then we'd switch it out, it's a different mindset.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this isn't happening over in, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Some far-flung tribes, somewhere, or some, you know, unprostilatized, you know, place like India or China, where they've never heard the gospel and they're rejecting, you know, this is seven in England.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the 1700s.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is happening in what's supposed to be a Christian or Christian-ish country, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And these guys are preaching the gospel and the people are throwing this filthy water on them because of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me that is the wildest part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know maybe I just have lower standards, but if we read a lot of
[SPEAKER_02]: missionary storage for a lot of things and sometimes people reject the gospel when it first comes to their land, you know, you can go back to the Irish in the 400s when St. Patrick got there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't always very nice to the people who came in, but this is supposed to be a Christian country.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is supposed to be a place where they should, you know, even if they disagree with these guys as denomination.
[SPEAKER_02]: this is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to me, that's just it is why.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I would say, well, I would not say that he had a easier time in Ireland.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does not have an easier time in Ireland, but it's not that much worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wrote hints that Charles Westley helped edit and publish a lot of them would be introduced.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to read these, Joel may be you know, and these.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know any of these, uh, low heat comes with clouds descending, um, apparently that one took nine years to revise and four different pastors put their hand to that one before it eventually went out, but he was the one who originally wrote it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be present at the table Lord apparently a lot of Anglican's have heard that one maybe played during Communion not when I'm familiar with air I sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's how you say that or maybe here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure it's ERE
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know these hymns, but the English and websites I looked at were like, well, and some of the methods websites I looked at were kind of like, well, I mean, it's not a service without these songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you do know them, um, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I apologize for not being more familiar with you with these works.
[SPEAKER_02]: George Whitfield and the Wesley Brothers famously had a big fight over Calvinism versus Minionism.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did an entire episode dedicated to that fight in that subject.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back a couple years, go find John Wesley preaches George Wittfield's eulogy, it's a great episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really covers that big nasty fight they had and really covers how the two of them made up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, how eventually John Wesley was trusted, interested with preaching the eulogy of George Wittfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they really got things got better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when they happened though, when the fight originally occurred, scenic sided more with Wittfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: and wrote a letter criticizing John Wesley.
[SPEAKER_02]: John Wesley got wind of the letter he got upset with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he really writes off scenic.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll have a actually kind of personal vendetta.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll come back in the Ireland episode, Ireland part of the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as diary at one point, he'll be kind of running into some of John scenic's work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he'll say that weak man, John scenic does blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't like John scenic after this very much so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So John Wesley and him not friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Charles Wesley did say friends with scenic or at least continue to help scenic create music because he will continue publishing and working on the songs that scenic is sending him for years on in and they'll continue being sung again among the Methodists and others.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if scenic it Charles was just like my brother's more temperamental or as you know more temperful I can we can still be friends or if he's like, you know, I don't like him either but professionally his music is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what happened there, but they kept working together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we've field really trusted Cena.
[SPEAKER_02]: He asked him to find a gathering place for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he set up a church that would be called Whitfield Tabernacle, which is a very important church that many different people came and went through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whitfield's like gathered base where he would bring his side of the Methodist movement for these years, while the Methodist movement was split up and even Charles Spurgeon preached at the Sermon at that spot remembering, and I think it was the 100 year anniversary of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it wasn't, but I think it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even if it wasn't, I remember that he preached, it was very memorable there because he preached a sermon basically saying at the time, like, where is the George Whitfield up today?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we don't have anybody reaching the millions like Whitfield did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was still early on in Spurgeon's career, but I always thought that was cool because it was kind of like, hey, Spurgeon,
[SPEAKER_02]: you're the guy, like you don't realize that you're preaching like where is he, but you ended up being the guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, today we go, who's where is the Spurgeon of our day?
[SPEAKER_02]: The Spurgeon was looking for the whipfield of his day, and it's just kind of funny to see how history worked out that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was at that church that scene it killed build, and Stinney can have been filled with went on some evangelistic work together.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got along really well, but eventually Stinney also got the disagreement with the whipfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't really over
[SPEAKER_02]: necessarily, the Calvinism of it, but they just kind of have to fight over a scenic basically thought that with field wasn't taken seriously, some of the aspects of the faith wasn't, you know, something got to fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he decided, you know what, I'm kind of going to, I love these guys, but I'm going to break, I'm going to go away from the Methodist and he had heard about something in the Moravian's rep to, so he went to kind of join the Moravian's for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: He actually ended up spending very little time with Moravian's.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was with him really just getting his paperwork signed before heading to Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he went to Ireland and this is where kind of the bulk of his legacy lies, as far as what he was doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some call him the Apostle of Northern Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where he really left his mark on the great awakening.
[SPEAKER_01]: He set up at least 40 Protestant churches in Northern Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ireland being mostly Catholic, both Edna and now, was opposed to Protestantism and wasn't a huge fan of him operating there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some were friendly though, you know, he would write in his diary of certain priests that would watch him and that would compliment him on his preaching, you know, he could tell that they could tell that there was that love for Jesus, that drove it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he also accounts others that, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: would publicly want to debate him, you know Catholics that would say let's have a public debate and then others that were just plain rude and mean, but it didn't stop him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sinek eventually would make the Catholics quite angry though because he had a sermon that he preached against the veneration of the saints in Mary.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said that Catholics treat Jesus like he's just a baby in swaddling clothes in Mary's arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this got many of the Evangelical Christians in Ireland, the nickname Swadolers, which I don't quite understand why the Christians were called Swadolers if they're calling his question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Evangelical Christians, so the kind of Protestant Evangelical maravians are like, oh, you're you're the swadolers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said it also later on in the same sermon he was saying,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the quote is something to the effect of like just you only eat like quit looking to marry holding the baby Like just look at the Jesus part of like, you know his whole thing was basically like you're you're looking everywhere But the person that matters and you're still treating him like he's not really the savior and so I got it I got them the nickname swadlers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really sure that's the worst nickname.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could possibly get by all
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in his initial critique, he's saying that he was accusing the Catholics of seeing Jesus just as a baby and swarling close in Mary's arms and so it seems like the Catholics should be getting called the swarlers, but I know you're saying to where.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It strange the whole thing is strange, but I totally agree with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like good for him, you know, it's not it probably was not easy to preach in the middle of very.
[SPEAKER_02]: very contentious Catholic territory that they stopped doing that veneration thing that you guys do and it definitely was not going to win him friends in Ireland but it was true and eventually he did kind of went out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we by the way this he's with the maravians and if you know about the maravians from Martyrs and missionaries you
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people have very positive attitude towards them and then they listen to my wife step and so on them and they go, oh my gosh, what was going on with the ravines to which I had to say, yep, he was not a part of any of that, so I just want to clarify that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever was going on in Germany, he only spent like a little amount of time with them and then kind of went with a mission deemed Ireland and his entire experiences with this mission team in Ireland.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not part of what was happening over in the martyr's missionaries episode, but go listen to that if you're listening doesn't go What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go go listen to that episode if you dare.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right the Moravian still managed to plant 10 churches in Ireland even with all that opposition and attack that came their way after that But this was a tough season for them
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, they also started 200 small groups, but the Catholics were really working against them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'll kind of start with the revival moments, things are going well, and then we'll kind of cover some of the opposition.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has one specific moment, a merchant or herdom speaking kind of in Dublin, and he had been resistant to go to Dublin because Dublin was like, we're all the Catholics we're going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he didn't really see himself as a preacher teacher to Catholics.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to revive the Protestants that were kind of living in a lukewarm, if not like a Christian name only faith.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't see it as his ministry to preach the Catholics, but some Baptist had kind of come through and they said, you got to come to Dublin, you got to come preach, you got to come try.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to be here in Ireland, at least try and he said he actually works through his own prejudice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: looked down on the Catholics of Ireland, he said, like, I don't know, are they even, you know, not are they, we're saving, but are they able to be saved?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this doesn't seem like anything works with these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had to kind of like, let go and go, okay, I'm gonna go be willing, God do what you're gonna do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, apologize God for my bad attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm summarizing in my own words here, but that was basically the gist of what it looked like.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets there, and this merchant's like, come breach of my hometown, it's not super big, but you're an amazing preacher.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this merchant heard him in Dublin and brought him to this town.
[SPEAKER_02]: the first couple days like the first day gets there a few dozen people are curious about this guy it comes this kind of side town here in Ireland by like day four or five, 2000 people had gathered and we're just getting, they were just being convicted deeply by the gospel being preached by scenic
[SPEAKER_02]: And even though his goal was to revive Protestants, he ends up beginning to have a huge ministry to Catholics in Ireland and ends up having a huge impact.
[SPEAKER_02]: These revival meetings end up being just as big as anything we see over in England or in North America during this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a part of the great awakening that's almost completely skipped over is what happened in Northern Ireland, but it I mean 2000 people in one day getting saved deep in Catholic territory or not maybe all of them saved but at least hearing the gospel Me impacted by it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty big stuff the kind of same stuff that we're seeing in other places
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, within, but this immediately got him, uh, on the bad side of the Catholic, you know, where he was kind of in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he starts to see one day he's kind of doing one of these meetings and some young gentlemen, he, quote, quote in here, behaved rude and they drew their swords and broke into the meeting, making their way towards me as if they were going to hurt me during the meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then another instance he says, it was, so that was so, I mean, imagine preaching while guys kind of break in, start yelling a shouting and they're walking towards the pastor with swords, that's what happened during one meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: On another meeting, quote, it was dangerous for our people to go out after the meetings were ended, not a few were hurt by blows, stones, swords, et cetera, and indeed it was surprising to see the multitudes gather.
[SPEAKER_02]: thousand a full mob.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now a lot of people go, I don't think there was 20,000 people there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's saying enormous amount of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that number is probably high.
[SPEAKER_02]: These do seem to me his own diary entry, so he wasn't really really some pretty sure that's what we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: These from maybe they were letters.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they weren't being written like published data scientifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time though, it's very clear lots and lots of people are very upset with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are pretty big numbers of people that were upset with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so and that's something different too.
[SPEAKER_02]: In New England, we're a Jonathan Edwards in Georgia, we feel it are pre-chain.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are coming, but there's no angry mob waiting outside to beat you up.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to a revival meeting, in fact, there was lots of people doing it everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: England, um, there was some of that going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about what happened and we'll shy her with John Cena as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Wesleyans, uh, Wesley brothers will go through some of this went field to a degree as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: Not like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a revival taking place under extreme.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is straightforward persecution You go to this meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might get stabbed on the way out the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is pretty intense stuff And yet we still see thousands of people coming to Christ and coming to these meetings.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's pretty incredible
[SPEAKER_02]: he had to go get help.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you kind of sat down with the local, I guess archbishop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never been sure how Catholic Church hierarchy stuff works.
[SPEAKER_02]: He attempted to, he basically was like, this is out of control.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to get your people in a control in the archbishop agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, yeah, this is, this is bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll rain it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't seem to do a lot of good, but at least like he technically had the Catholic Church on his side saying, yeah, we can't stab them for going to the meetings.
[SPEAKER_02]: which I think is about us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He reached out to the cities as well like hey can you have your share us help us out?
[SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't really work.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he ended up having to create like his own team volunteers that would walk around with him and some of the people with swords to make sure that people could get around.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean he had to have like a gang of sword wielding people to do revival meetings in Ireland so that people could go here the gospel and you could get them out of there safely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even as he kind of walked around town, he would get mobbed by people that would try to attack them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said like it was not uncommon for him to be walking down street in a group of ten hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says even maybe a thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think that might be a bit big, but he would just get mobbed by them and his guys with swords would basically body guards or to push them off of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did also was getting hit by his old ministry partners the Methodist.
[SPEAKER_02]: This actually I think was quite sad and probably I think in some ways Satter than the Catholics that were rejecting him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gilbert tenant very important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you preacher?
[SPEAKER_02]: We did never said by I'm not that long ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great guy, but he wrote a pamphlet against his work kind of condemning him in the Moravians in Ireland, which I don't think was very fair
[SPEAKER_02]: And John Wesley went to Ireland during this time, kind of trying to set up a Methodist great awakening that kind of heard what was going, maybe didn't hear what was going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it seemed like they heard what was going on, and they wanted to join in on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't get nearly as many people to come to their meetings.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a fact, the Moravians and John scenic were bringing far more people, but the Wesley brothers had a lot more money at their disposal.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Moravians tend to be very poor, and
[SPEAKER_02]: So they bought out, they went to the landlord that was renting out the hall to the main like their main camp is hall and they like paid way more money and basically took the hall right out from under them So the maravians ended up not having their headquarters anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: This caused their organization side to be way off It took them a very long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say it was like two years to get the next place and again my not a bit to years, but it seemed like my memory is saying two years
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it actually said like the one the articles I read was basically like they never recovered like they that was like losing your base of operations like that just sent them so far behind organization that by the time they caught back up it would they were just way behind for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: seemed like a pretty not nice move by John Wesley and John Wesley is known for being organizationally very strong armed and he did some of the same stuff to George with Field.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason I think the method is survived against the church of England and went on to have the impact but it is a little cut throw you know it was it would not be considered nice church politics today for certain and yet
[SPEAKER_02]: It was also what kept their movement alive probably so I don't know I don't want a judge John Wesley too hard there, but to me that seemed like a jerk move.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, his work and other parts of Ireland exploded though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's seen it kind of didn't really care what was happening in Dublin because he was having a huge ministry, especially in a place, I'm sorry, Irish people, Ulster or Orster, I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at this town in Ireland, he was having such a massive impact there that literally when they saw him, the Irish people there just called him quote the preacher.
[SPEAKER_02]: like anybody in town would be like oh that's the preacher.
[SPEAKER_02]: As in this entire city had one preacher John Cena can their mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: A Catholic father in the town wrote another pamphlet and said he is quote the devil in human form.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know they're not happy with them but his impact on Northern Ireland is actually huge and some people
[SPEAKER_02]: again would say that his impact on Ireland or at least Northern Ireland was to the same magnitudes as it with fields impact on England.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if things went so well and he's such an amazing guy and stuff, well why don't we know his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is he so much less famous than the other great awakenings?
[SPEAKER_02]: And why is the Northern Great Awakening and I Northern Ireland Great Awakening almost completely forgotten?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Joel, why don't you tell us what happened there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sinink eventually passes away just from a sickness.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got overworked.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got sick and passed away.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see that quite a bit here on Revive thought that seems like a common thing that preachers will do is they overwork themselves and get exhausted and and an error without great medical solutions and that can be fatal
[SPEAKER_01]: In many ways, Ireland has kind of just forgotten about cynic and the impact that the Methodists and others did there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a few reasons for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ireland was extremely poor, many lived in dirt huts and barely survived.
[SPEAKER_01]: and others just didn't survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: One article said that, and might sound glamorous to be a part of so many coming to Christ to spite such persecution, but most wouldn't want to be a part of this work because it was poured dirty work among people that would be forgotten.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Moravians seemed to turn their attention away from Ireland as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: As soon after Synic died, their roots there kind of didn't last long.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now there's hardly a memory of Synic there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few of the songs that live on, his hymns that he wrote there that continue kind of an Irish tradition, an Irish style there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So cynics impact was meaningful and impactful and quite impressive for what it was, but he was only there for
[SPEAKER_01]: a few years and the people that came to know Christ through his movement, they didn't have the structure of the sustainability or even the lively longevity like much of that group would physically die out in the following years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amongst the poor in Ireland, he was the preacher that wrote books for them at night and preached and taught and loved them during the day and he gave his life like and dying around 36.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much more then, when he says to you, wash and be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: These words were spoken by the sermons of Naman, the great captain of the Syrian Army, when he was scorning the very means God had appointed through Elijah for the healing of his leprosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The entire account of Naman's healing and conversion is deeply instructive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to reflect on it for a while and had declared the free grace of our Savior to
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Hadad, the King of Syria, had often sent his armies against the children of Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: On one of these raids, they carried away captives, including a little Israelite girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: She became the servant of name and wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: When this young maid saw that her master's stuff suffered with a dreadful disease of leprosy, she remembered how in her own homeland, many, had been healed by the hand of the Lord through the prophet Alaisha.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she said in her mistress's house, oh, if only my master were with the prophet in Samaria, he would surely heal him of his leprosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The young maid did not stop speaking of this hope until someone finally told name in what she had said, this is what the girl from Israel had spoken.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps this little servant girl had witnessed some of the mighty works done by Alisha, or maybe she had neighbors who had been healed through him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly she had heard the reports of the man of God, how he never turned away anyone who came to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: For this reason, she spoke with earnestness, and persistence, urging that her master should go and try.
[SPEAKER_00]: In time, the report of the girl's words reached King Benheadad, because Naman was beloved by him a great man in the army, and esteemed for the many victories awarded granted to Syria through him, the King quickly arranged for Naman to set out on his way to Samaria.
[SPEAKER_00]: Naman was still a worshipper of the false gods of the nations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not knowing the free gift of the God of Jacob, he assumed that the prophet must be pleased with offerings and that God's favor could be bought.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he prepared a large present.
[SPEAKER_00]: 10 talents of silver, 6,000 pieces of gold, and 10 changes of clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The King even wrote a letter to the King of Israel asking him to have Naman healed of his leprosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: When the King of Israel received the letter, he immediately assumed that the King of Syria was only looking for an excuse to pick a quarrel.
[SPEAKER_00]: In despair, he tore his clothes and cried out, Am I God to kill and to make a life?
[SPEAKER_00]: How can this man send to me to heal his servant?
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lie-shah, hearing of this, sent were to the King.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why have you torn your clothes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let the man come to me and he will know that there's a prophet in Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, naming King with his horses and his chariot, and sort of the door of a lie-shah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Notice the way he arrived.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not come as a poor, wretched disease leper, humbling himself and is uncleanness.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came dressed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came with a great company bearing his gifts of gold, silver, and costly clothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't read that he humbled himself by stepping down from his chariot, bowing low, or uncovering the low some sores of his body before the prophet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, he remains seated, proud in his robes, as though his wealth and splendor could recommend him to the pity of the man of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can imagine him sending a servant to knock at the prophet's store, announcing with confidence, my Lord name and his come, and he brings all these riches garments, gold, and silver, come out therefore and heal him of his leprosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No doubt, name and thought, acceptance was certain.
[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone had challenged him asking, how can you and enemy of the Hebrews expect mercy from their God or their prophet?
[SPEAKER_00]: He would have quickly replied, true, I've been an odds with people of Jacob and have done them harm.
[SPEAKER_00]: But see here, I make amends with wealth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will pay in full for my healing and more besides.
[SPEAKER_00]: and so name and weighted at Lysch's door expecting a great pronouncement or an impressive miracle.
[SPEAKER_00]: He likely imagine the prophet himself would come out, call upon the Lord with loud prayer, wave his hand over the disease flesh, and restore him instantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, a Lysch ignored Naman's pump, his wealth, and his position.
[SPEAKER_00]: The prophet stayed inside and simply sent out his servant, Gajazi, with a plain message.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go, wash in the Jordan seven times and your flesh will be restored, you will be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: This so provoked Neiman that he could hardly contain his anger.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Gahazi delivered Elijah's message, Neiman's pride boiled over.
[SPEAKER_00]: He commanded his chariot driver to turn back and angry cried out, I thought surely the prophet would come out to me himself, stand, call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the disease spot, and heal the leper.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Have I traveled this long of journey?
[SPEAKER_00]: Come all this way, only to hear that man tell me to go and wash in the Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: If water alone could cleanse me, I need not have come to Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or not the rivers of Damascus, the aban and the far-far-far-far-far, better than all the waters of Israel, could I not wash in them and be clean?
[SPEAKER_00]: And in his rage, he turned away.
[SPEAKER_00]: See how he despised a very word of his recovery.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not understand that the Lord delights to use weak, lowly, and despise things to accomplish his will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Naming reason within himself, saying, if water could heal up her sea, surely the wise men of the world would have discovered this long ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that were the case, would not the prophet have told me to wash in the great rivers of my own land.
[SPEAKER_00]: But while he fumed in his pride, one of his servants drew near to the chariot, and gently reasoned with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: my father.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the prophet had commanded you to do some great thing, go in a long journey, bathe in a distant spring, perform some hard labor, or give away a vast portion of your wealth for costly spices or medicines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you not have done it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much more than, when he simply says wash and be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Neiman thought within himself in a minute, I would have done it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he had told me I must earn my healing by fasting prayer, giving, or some great work, I would have gladly complied.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at last, he laid aside his pride stripped off his garments and went down into the Jordan Justice he was, a poor, diseased, filthy leper.
[SPEAKER_00]: No sooner had he obeyed the words of the Lord, plunging himself seven times beneath the waters than he was changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He found himself healed, and his flesh became like that of a little child.
[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately he believed in the God of Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: returning with all his company to Elijah's door, he's to before the prophet and confessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Behold, now I know that there's no God in all the earth, but in Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: From now on, your servant will offer no burnt offering or sacrifice to any other gods, but only to the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: How blessed it was for naming that he listened to the word of the Lord through the voice of a servant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only was his body cleanse of leprosy, but his soul was washed from unbelief and sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: At last he could truly adore the free grace of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw clearly it was not of his own will, for in his pride he would have returned to Damascus and anger, but the Lord had freely planted in the heart of a little maid the words, oh, if only my master were with the prophet in Samaria.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Naman rejected the way appointed for his healing, it was as though the Lord might have said
[SPEAKER_00]: and yet in mercy, God stirred the heart of one of name and servants to gently speak to him, stopping him from returning home into despair.
[SPEAKER_00]: My father, if probably it asked you to do some great thing, would you not have done it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much more than when he simply said to you, wash and be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my friends, let me ask you the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you not realize that you also bear a leprosy far worse than namens?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my dear brothers, you carry the leprosy of sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today I'm a say to you with a little maid one said to naman, if only you were with a prophet who is in Israel, by this I mean the Lord Jesus Christ, for he alone can heal you of your leprosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to ask you to go wash seven times in a river.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the merit of Christ flows like seven streams united in one.
[SPEAKER_00]: whoever once washes in his blood needs no other sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leprosy was one of the most dreaded diseases in Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other sicknesses might have been cured, but leprosy was never healed.
[SPEAKER_00]: For this reason, lepros were driven outside the camp, left in desolate places, unless they spread their contagion.
[SPEAKER_00]: As it is written, they will put out both male and female, put them outside the camp, so that they don't defile the camp in the midst, where I dwell, numbers 5-3.
[SPEAKER_00]: It often began as nothing more than a small white scab, but since it can't be stopped, spread over the entire body until the skin appeared covered in white scales.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you not see how perfectly this describes sin?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sin began an atom with one small transgression with the first spot of leprosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But unchecked, it spread until his whole nature was corrupted and who's utterly defiled.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is with all of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: From our very birth, every one of us has been infected with the same cursed disease.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Scripture declares, there's none righteous, no, not one, Romans 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet here the good news, Jesus Christ receives sinners.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has said, whoever comes to me I will never cast out John 637.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still, some of you may say, but I am worse than all others.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not one good thing in me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm nothing but sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: My heart is harder than stone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't repent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: and listen closely.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the very one who most needs to come to the Son of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will give you a new heart and a new spirit and a spirit with wealth in you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, name in with all as wealth and gifts was not cleansed until he stripped off everything and went down to the river just as he was, a poor disease leper.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, too, sinner, you must come to Christ as poor, wretched blind and naked.
[SPEAKER_00]: For it's written, when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them all Luke 742.
[SPEAKER_00]: Suppose you had lived all your life in outward godliness, never missing church, the sacraments, the prayers fasting, or any religious duty when you had opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yet even this would not commend you to the Lord, any more than name and rich gifts commended him to Elijah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You must leave all that behind and come stripped and poured a Christ as a humble disciple.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people think themselves good because they don't do any great harm.
[SPEAKER_00]: They give to the poor, they live respectfully, and avoid the grosser sins of drunkers, thieves, and harlets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Such people feel no fear about entering heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just like Neiman, who end boldly to the prophet's house with his riches and honor.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all his good things did not move the man of God to come out to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, Elijah's and only his servant, with the plain command, go, ship yourself, wash in the Jordan, you'll be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I say to you today, it's not your self-righteousness, not your long list of good deeds, it'll make you accepted by my master.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did not our Lord say tax collectors and harlets enter the kingdom of God before you, Matthew 2131.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not because they were sinners as such, but because they were more easily convinced of their spiritual poverty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Having no righteousness of their own to trust in, they gladly embrace the righteousness of the Lord Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: and knowing they had been forgiven much, they loved much.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you must come to the Savior just as you are, poor, guilty, and stained with sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't try to cover your sin with the fig leaves of your own goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the attempt of our first parents in Eden, but they could not escape the curse.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was also name in his first error, but he was not cleansed until he stripped himself and obey the word of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you would be saved, you must lay bare your heart at the wounds of Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their confess all your secrets sin, your pride, covetousness, anger, and above all your unbelief, wash in that fountain, and you will be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be assured, no works you've done or ever could do, will bring you into the favor of God, as the apostle writes, not by works, unless any man should boast, Ephesians 2-9.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're saved, it will be by the mercy of God alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every soul and glory sings, not by works of righteousness, which we have done, but according to His mercy, He has saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Titus 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the cry of every redeemed heart is this, not to us, O Lord, not to us, but to your name, give glory, Psalms 115-1.
[SPEAKER_00]: The blood of the lamb, our salvation, is forever glorified and praised in heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the true Jordan to which I call you my dear brothers, who feel the leprosy of sand upon your souls, come and wash, to believe in Lord Jesus Christ is to wash, but leave on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved at 1631.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wash and you'll be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yet some of you may be ready to turn away into disappointment, saying, is this all I came to hear?
[SPEAKER_00]: Believe, be saved?
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't accept that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Surely all the good I've done, my prayers, my cries, my regular attendance at church, receiving communion, reading the scriptures, praying every morning, every evening, doing all the good I can?
[SPEAKER_00]: Surely these must guarantee my interest into heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: The word of God declares otherwise.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no other name under heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Given among men, by which we must be saved, acts for 12.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not your name, not your works, not your religion, but only the name of Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: This protest is the very same as namens.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, are not the abana in the far-par, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I just wash in them and be clean at 2nd Kings 512?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so people today say, are not good works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honesty, morality, religion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't they enough to save us?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we just wash in these and be clean?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Lord points to the only way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am the way, the truth in the life.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one comes to the Father except for me, John 14.6.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, he says, this is the way, walk in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isaiah 3021.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is widely set of Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is so narrow away, so straight adore that unless you strip off all your garments, you cannot enter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our Savior does not want your righteousness.
[SPEAKER_00]: For in his pure sight is nothing more than painted sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Lord calls only those for poor and spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: To this man will I look, says the Lord, to him that is poor and of a humble spirit and who trembles at my word, Isaiah 662.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you count yourself on the same level with the worst of sinners, murderers, thieves, tax electors, you've not yet seen your true nature.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know yourself, and until you do, you will never see your desperate need for the Redeemer's blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, you'll spend your whole life trying to make yourself clean, only to discover the end what was spoken of Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: They pursued a law of righteousness, but they did not attain it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they saw it not by faith, but as it were, by works, Romans 9, 31 and 32.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I beg you, hear the word of the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your righteousness is of me, Isaiah 54 and 17.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest for your souls, Matthew 1128.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I counsel you to buy from me white garments that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed, Revelation 318.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sol of Tarsis tried everything, his own righteousness could offer, yet it could not bring him peace with God.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the road to Damascus, when he was finally convinced of his sin, he cried out an anguish Lord, what will you have me to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Acts 9.6
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not rest until Anna and Ias came with his glorious message, why do you wait?
[SPEAKER_00]: Arise, be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord, Acts 22, 16.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's written also Josh with a high priest where he stood before the Lord in his own righteousness.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was clothed in filthy garments.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, when the Lamb of God declared behold, I've caused your sin to pass from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was given a change of clothing, a righteousness of Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: No longer on clean, he was made clean to the wonder of heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the angel said of him in his companions, these are men to be wondered at Zechariah 3-8.
[SPEAKER_00]: O may you be clothed as holy vestment, this robe washed white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Naman's anger was at last subdued, his servants reasoned with him, just as now I reasoned with you, O may the Lord grant that my words had the same effect as theirs.
[SPEAKER_00]: My hope is to win you to come and test the virtue of this blessed Bethesda, the blood of Jesus Christ, the true Jordan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be offended dear friends if the Lord does not appear to you in some miraculous way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen instead if he speaks through one as unworthy as I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if he sends me to you, as Elijah once sent Gehazi to Naman, to declare, you must wash and be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't answer who is this mere sapling, how can you be right when so many wise learned men have said otherwise?
[SPEAKER_00]: My friends remember, the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, 1 Corinthians 319.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thoughts of the wise is men before the Lord are vain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did not Jesus himself thank the Father that he hid his truth from the wise and prudent and reveal it to Babes in Luke 1021?
[SPEAKER_00]: So then don't let your soul turn away in a rage, but be persuaded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go down to the Jordan of Christ's blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is far better than all the rivers of Damascus.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the tears, the prayers, the efforts of the saints cannot wash away even one sin.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, oh, one drop of blood of the lamb is enough to cleanse all your sins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, even if you had 10,000 times 10,000 sins, even if every sin committed by all the children of Adam since the foundation of the world relate upon you,
[SPEAKER_00]: I will still say to you, come, wash and be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: For its written, yet there is room, Luke 14, 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: The door of the Savior's wounds is still open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Escape there for your life, my dear brothers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do not doubt that many of you truly want to be saved.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Lord had asked you to do some great thing, wouldn't you have done it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I can almost hear some of you saying, I would.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I only knew the will of the Lord, I would do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if I had to walk through hell itself, if only I might be saved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my poor brethren, you may be saved freely.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does not ask you to do the impossible, nor to earn your way.
[SPEAKER_00]: He only says to you, wash and be clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: No sooner had name and stripped off all his fine apparel, clothing that he thought might move the prophets' compassion, and gone down into the river then his flesh became like that of a little child.
[SPEAKER_00]: At once he saw that his disease was gone, and he came up out of the water, whole, and rejoicing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it will be with you if you will put off your own righteousness, lay down your own wisdom, and come to the Lord Jesus as wretched and undone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even now, Christ Himself compassionately calls to you, urging you to wash.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knocks at your heart saying, come, the church, the bride of the Lamb says, come, yet even the Spirit says, come, the Scripture is declare, let the one who hears says, come, let the one who is thirsty, come, let the one who desires take the water of life without price, revelation, twenty to seventeen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here in the spring, weary sinners may drink and be cleansed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here you may put away all the evil of your doings and be made wider than snow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh be intrigued, I beg you in Christ's stead, come and test the virtue of this healing fountain.
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot make yourselves clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here with the Lord promises from all your filthiness and from all your idols, I will cleanse you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ezekiel 36 25.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Neiman was healed, he wished the whole world could know the power of the God of Israel, and when the woman of Samaria found Christ, the fountain of living waters she left her water jar at the well and ran to call her city, urging them to all come and drink in John 4.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it will be with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you have known the love of God, shed a broad in your hearts, you will want to tell your friends and neighbors what great things the Lord has done for your soul, how he has had compassion upon you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you, after being washed, will long to praise Lord Jesus Christ, to glorify Him now and forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: O that you may believe and find these things true, may you never rest until you can triumphantly say, I am washed, I am sanctified, I am justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God, 1 Corinthians 6-11.
[SPEAKER_00]: To Him, even the Lamb of God be glory and thanksgiving forever and ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.
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