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[SPEAKER_03]: Ladies and gentlemen boys and girls bottom more sports fans of all ages welcome a section 3, 3, 6 next generation of bottom more sports talk I am you're in girly sitting host Matt's Roca as always enjoying but the button lever Josh Roca.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey Matt This is a weird like all season schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't gotten together in a while
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I know and this is and my schedule has kind of been crazy to be honest today's been crazy I haven't even had dinner yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've just been running a one thing to the next But I we had to do this podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to talk with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a a bad signal type thing where we were required to do a podcast
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, this is what I need to I need to talk through this with you and of course What we're talking about I'm not gonna bury the lead here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about is Josh one his softball championship I did I did you know any well We do not cut a trophy But no you get rings instead that's how they do it now apparently we get a t-shirt that says we are a champion nice and I don't know what that A look like I don't know when I will ever see that but for the old bands softball team
[SPEAKER_01]: I won and Matt, this past week I tried a senior softball bat to the first time, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they've always been banned and leagues that played in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, I said, guys, can I try someone's bat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because now that I'm playing senior softball, maybe I should have had a senior bat all season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I haven't, I've been hitting the ball fine, but little line drives.
[SPEAKER_01]: I crush it with the senior bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: because they're meant for people who are seeing you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the ball goes further.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a triple off the fence when our championship game won.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, on Tuesday, like that doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will be investing in a senior bat for the winter season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, congrats on your championship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully it pretends good things for the next year for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this is the beginning of the championship run.
[SPEAKER_03]: Shop all ravens or else.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm seeing in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too, especially with the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, by the day it was a start of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, we're really together because I texted you last night at like 10 o'clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: 11.
[SPEAKER_03]: But did I break it to you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was sleeping.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get the text I was sleeping.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a seat mode.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I woke up at 4 a.m. Because 4 has this new habit of mom, dad, mom, dad, that's 4 a.m. And some of these are going to your song, go back to bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I went in 4 a.m. Sanger song.
[SPEAKER_03]: went back to bed, checked my phone, but she didn't check my phone, sell the text.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, that's my problem too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Needless to say, I didn't sleep the rest of the night, because then I was going up and reading and kind of looking up in front of my mind about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: My mind was going to 1000 miles a night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had that issue last night where it was like, I am so tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to pass out and I'm going to bed and let me just check the news real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check the news real quick and I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason, that can't be real.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then I see it's real and then it's like great now and wide awake because I got to read all these articles and look into this Taylor Ward guy and how he fits with the Orioles and yeah certainly came out of nowhere we were expecting maybe some free Asian signing something like that seem to come out of nowhere uh initial we've hasn't had a process it i've been thinking about this thing all day i've read a bunch of stuff but what was your initial reaction when you first saw
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and first reaction is I can't believe we traded Gregson on Regus and for who right and for who and then it goes to well And then it's exactly it's been 24 hours of thinking about this and
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I didn't even make a TikTok this morning about it because I made, but I made one tonight because I was like, all right, I've got my thoughts together, I know how I'm handling this, I know how to do this, and now that the Orioles aren't hiring me, I can go back to making TikToks about the Orioles and not worry about who's seeing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm back on there, but um, so first of all, Tartis, I can't believe they traded Grayson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though, come on, even you and I have been talking about how Grayson next year is a crapshoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: You never know what you're going to get.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, Mike Elias hinted as as much as press conference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like in hindsight, you could see, uh, Mike Elias kind of hinting at this could this could be a possibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, because, like, here we go again, how many times Josh has, have we traded someone who was supposed to be the number one guy to carry out a going back to Jakariada to have engalsman Kevin Galsman, Dylan Bunty, Hunter Harvey, Deal, we all, if you want to throw him in that list too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would throw in that in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a rich history of highly you know of yes of of these high prospects who never really work out It's like it's like we take all this nice stuff and we break it and then once it's broken We sell it to another team hoping they could it's like those Amazon
[SPEAKER_03]: Second-hand packages where you can get a pallet of Amazon stuff that they've given back and we we we we get the the cool new item We break it We destroy it and then we try to Spotted off to somebody else for for a much more discounted price That's what we do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it made me laugh a little bit because like here we go again No, it is you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is I here we go again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's totally that
[SPEAKER_01]: that's that's easy way to look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when you look at it, trade for trade, one for what we also rarely have a trade that's one for one like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be really easy to look back and compare, is this a good trade or not?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's it's real clear, easy, it's how did war do for the war?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was how did Grayson do for the angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really easy one for one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Grayson is not a Michael Ayes product.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's something to take there where there's Mike Elias give up on guys that he didn't draft himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to that point with Mike Elias, if there's a side and let's just put it out too on the forefront.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we we traded away four years of
[SPEAKER_03]: Grasional Regas for one year of jail award and so a lot of people look at that and a lot of people's reaction is what this is, you know, not a good deal for the Orioles or Mike's allies is at the point where this has to be the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but if I'm like Elias, I am beyond annoyed with Grace from Regus, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because remember this time last off season, we were saying we lost corporate burns, but Grace from Regus can be that replacement guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Grace from Regus said, he said, in the off season, they said, during the overseas, he would be back.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would be back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he never, and I don't know what the reason is, I don't know what the time lines are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: the rumor is he's got a little bit of an attitude problem when when communicating with the Orioles front office see I was going to keep it all nebulous like that and say well we don't know what's going on but you want to put it out to the rumor we have to put it to weird the whole time many things weird that never worked out we know those shoulders things are are weird but it's the lat and the shoulder there's a lot going on there and
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, from Michael Ayes perspective, I could see him approaching the season with some annoyance.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even if Grayson pitches this year, he's going to be on an Inans limit that kind of limits how you use him as well, assuming he's healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's true, it explains also why Michael Ayes is timetable for Grayson never matched up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he always thought he was ready, he was going to be coming back soon and then Grayson never did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's a disconnect between the Orioles plans and Grayson's personal plans, or bouncing back, brings even more questions in as you get prepared for the next season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because here's what I wonder, Josh, and we're going to get to the Tant, the Taylor Ward part, and I think I am pumped.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the perfect fit for this team.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get to that in a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I wonder about the greatest thing is, and if I see someone else, if I see one of the person right, he's a potential, not, not, not, number one starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's a potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just because you're potential doesn't mean when we do that,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but here's what I wonder about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think like let's let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let
[SPEAKER_01]: It was his final year.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Orioles actually it might be a good market to make that extension with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the, well, man, there's just so much to talk about here, but this way, we're doing the podcast, but the money thing is interesting because people say, well, great, it's my biggest, so cheap, and he is so cheap this year, but like his timeline is lined up with other players, like Gunner Henderson and Jordan Westburg, so like, when we get defensive, yeah, all the same, so this, I guess, spreads out some of the pain, right, in terms of how much cost.
[SPEAKER_03]: but it was gonna say before that is I wonder if like what if we offered cade povitch for Taylor Ward what if we did who do you have more faith in going into 2025 k povitch or Grayson Rodriguez what who would cause I I have more faith in k povitch
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, but Grace and Riggas has a much more upside.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I was just curious, who, like here in our beacuse to say, like, who really won Grace and Riggas, who brought up the trade?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, was Mike Elias, like, was he shopping grace and around?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or was it like, the angel said, we won Grace and because that could be kind of a high upside guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, did I want, like, who initiated the grace and talk?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you have us paid COVID and COVID and Eli said,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I don't know, it's very possible they rather have Grayson, but it's such a simple one for one trade where on paper it's a win-win for both teams that you gotta be like it didn't come basic and easy, it's just like a quick call, hey, I'll give you Grayson, you give me that Right, it's most, because most teams Josh in the Angel situation, it's kind of rebuilding one with prospects
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you would assume this, but it doesn't involve prospects, and I wonder why it doesn't involve prospects.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this because the Orals, because the angels wanted Grayson, or because the Orals wanted to get rid of Grayson, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Orals are a little bit like the Orals wanted Grayson, because surely they could have gotten the standard with some prospects.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Grayson is still considered a prospect.
[SPEAKER_01]: right sure hasn't developed and it's only literally one one year really in the middle but I think the real answer is Michaelis wanted to get rid of Grayson it seems like because you could have packaged three prospects together and made the same deal you couldn't package some other players and made it work yeah he wanted to get rid of Grayson
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it does it does appear it does appear that way which makes you wonder why and maybe it's something with the room as you mentioned maybe it's something with I mean you know what Josh I think after last year And just like if you want to win now You want guys who know are available and will play yeah and like Michael I said it's complete wild card with Grayson
[SPEAKER_03]: Teary of the war, like the opposite of the of the Watt card, based on the last couple years.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think you want more sure things.
[SPEAKER_03]: This team has enough unknowns.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about this in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: The young players.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is now one less unknown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but, but trading grace is not a regus with all these struggles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're going to get to the other side of the deal in a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I didn't really told me is that maybe there is something to all these rumors about Adley Watchman being on the market.
[SPEAKER_01]: because I'm not a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand the connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: What the connection is a player who has not developed into what he should be, who's had injury issues that other teams would want, where we have a replacement already.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see, but I mean, it could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could be, I don't really surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It means if you don't get all my glasses bad side, you're going to be gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think it's like a great locker room guy, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about all that stuff where when he's first caught up, where he runs to the picture and they walk together down the boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was all great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: How I'm working out and I'm at all the street in this city.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was two years ago, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let it go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was good, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what did you done for me lately, Adley?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: but I would you where I thought you were wrong with this Josh and to me what this means to is we are in for this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it means we will sign.
[SPEAKER_03]: At least one, yeah, I would say about that as you would say, see, I'd say tomato tomato.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say today, there's the chance we sign on both.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, we took on, and by the way, everyone over the order is so cheap, we took on a lot more salary this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did.
[SPEAKER_03]: It shows me too that Elias, I think Elias is feeling the heat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he went now, and Grace Rodriguez, maybe in two or three years, he gets his stuff together, but I only can count on Grace in for this year, and he's trying to win and put a team to get a this year, not two or three, and he's trying to win this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think the next shoot-a-drop is not trading at me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the next shoot-a-drop is signing one of these top rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I think it comes fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think last time we did 336, I said by the end of November, they would sign one of these arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this move is a huge move, which is this first step of that move, but isn't that Josh, shouldn't you do it the other way around though?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sign up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sign up for sign the picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And once you've got that assurance, then you trade Grayson?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once you sign a picture, this Grayson's value goes down to the angel suddenly would be like, well, he's not worth that much to you, because you already have these other pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, well, well, let, let, let's just talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine they've already made the phone calls to be like, I see what's it going to take to get you in Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't, I don't know if that is or can we're about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, they call them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're, they're, they're a stock that they even called P. Elanzo because, and let's get to tell you a little bit, because what the world's need more than anything is a right-handed hitting power bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And do you know how many right hitting what and specifically in the outfield because your influence kind of set do you know how many right hitting outfield or power bats there aren't for agency One I can't think of the one none.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I was left handed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, but he's first base D. Oh, she's right in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we have Beaver and Couser out there, one of their cursed sets in there too.
[SPEAKER_03]: But where we really struggled against this life-handed pitching.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we need to right-handed and power now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a question about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Ward is that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had 31 home months last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: 36.
[SPEAKER_01]: The leader in our clubhouse was 17.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh, holiday, Henderson, and Westburg all had 17.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, games played, 157 would be top on our team from last year, played appearances, top on our team at bats, top on our teams, run scored, he would be at the top of our team compared to last year for who played last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, hit CB second, double CB second, only behind gunner, home runs, he'd be the most, RBI, 103, our top guy had like 68, walks, he would be top on our team, all these category Josh runs.
[SPEAKER_03]: home runs, RBI walks, also strikeouts, but I wish for that one was softly.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would be top in our team.
[SPEAKER_03]: He'd be second in OPS, so he would be top of our team in all these categories offensively.
[SPEAKER_03]: Second in war, behind only Gunner.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a significant addition and upgrade on our offensive squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, here's my concern.
[SPEAKER_01]: My concern is Camden Yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: My concern is that left field wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does that play versus... And it moved to the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not so bad to move it in some.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Angel Stadium is not a hitter-friendly ballpark, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so, I guess, I guess, I mean, yeah, that's a deep ball, a deep park you don't have the cold weather to start the season that you haven't bought a more, there'll be a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just put it in, I just tried to put it in the chat GPT to see, but everything in the chat will be too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wanted to do the math and I was hoping to have a nice mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, it says that with the angels, he got 35, and if Baltimore was his home stadium, he is projected that he would have had 30 to 32.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still better than everyone else, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So double, almost double everybody else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the walk thing too, he gets on base, and he crushes it, I think he's a career 289 hit against lefties.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like crushes lefties, it's just a good, it's good, he's got a decent walk rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he also has a really high strikeout rate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he is one of these, you know, three true outcomes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Home Ron Walker strikeout, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get your little singles, low base hit for a move the run.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he will do the fly ball to move runners around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The productive out as they are called.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They will probably have a lot of frustrated strikeouts too in the situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can get through that if it's the one guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also think just having that bat in your lineup is going to give better pitchers pitches to guys like Gunner Henderson And Jordan Westbrook who are going to be around him in the lineup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Make sure the line of better.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can move guys down the line up.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just adds a big bat to the lineup.
[SPEAKER_03]: It gives you some assurance like we didn't like title Neil
[SPEAKER_03]: He's your next wild card once great once crazy since gone you don't know how many games he's gonna play And now you and I have a guy who even if he misses a toddler can miss a bunch of games He can step right right in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be interesting because now you do have
[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing like Doris is a centerfielder, he's not a centerfielder, he is like an average corner outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it allows you to then rely on cold cows or a centerfielder position.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and then we don't love.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Taylor Ward's your right fielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what about Tyler O'Neill?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: For now, I will put Taylor Ward in left field, though it's pretty deep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Beavers makes the team next year?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Beavers' left field and Taylor Ward is right field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I originally said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have a DH slot, which can be... Oh, that's basalo.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's basalo.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't take basalo's DH spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, we're going to trade that live at you, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you'll have a DH slot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to have also AAA.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're the DH spot and I think Bassalo is actually going to play a whole lot of first base.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think I don't I would be surprised at this point actually if Ryan Maccastle is on the team I think I think Ryan Maccastle is a high chance of a trade candidate Yeah, but I think Kobe Mayo is the same way I think these are guys that don't quite fit on to this team, but that's what I'm saying Josh coke Kobe Mayo yes for Taylor Ward The world is want to do that would they?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the I don't think he ain't yeah, I'm just curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just really curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't like, like, what is Graysery's trade value?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and how does it compare to someone like Kobe Mayo?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who is an offensive player?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think because of that high plus side of Graysin you, he has a little bit more trade value than Kobe Mayo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Goodby Mayo is that guy where he's got a prove it still.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does not have great, great, major league experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we got hot there for a little bit at the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm the angels, I rather have co-obey Mayo, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Depends who's your first basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a tough guy to put in a position.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's what I'm saying if you have,
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like now we have an extra quote, quote, or out filter, and we do, I don't have a real nail.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think you're going to put two in beavers and ward or beavers and on yield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you put two in beavers and on yield, some, and you make board your other everyday out filter.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Jeremiah Jackson's in there somewhere too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how he really fits in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he have some pure stud retireder?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he's still in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's still on our 40-minute roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm going to grab my charger, I'm not that much preach about the die.
[SPEAKER_01]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: For some reason, I was thinking that that's in pure stud was going to be gone this coming here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you still have him in there, it really leaves the point where Tyler O'Neill, who you don't really want this year anyway, at what point do you just give him the money and tell him to stay home?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's not going to want to stay at AAA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you have O'Neill on this team next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you, I'm not sure if you can hear me while you're plugging in your laptop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, it has been cursed dead, so here Michael I said that cursed dead was working with the Orioles on a medical position, he's in a good spot and pointing in a good direction and we expect to see him in spring training and that we missed the real has been cursed this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Orioles are still sticking with cursed dead, hoping to get cursed dead again next year, which really means O'Neill has no spot on this team.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no need for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to put him in right field.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you just sign the right field or that can play almost every single day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this is, uh, I think this also might be a deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, I mean, that's, we tried last year with Tyler Neale to address the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, a power-hitting right-handed outfielders and it didn't really work out with only other say the least, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it just wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think going into this year again, if you're Mike Elias in terms of your right-handed
[SPEAKER_03]: And you look a Tyler Neale, you can't say, well, I hope he has a bounce back here that he didn't say something, you can't count on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that the planar option by Tyler Neale was for two years?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, it's just coming year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says two year, O'Neill opted into the final two years of the contract in November 2025, extending in his time with the Orioles to 2027.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a one year option.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought so too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm a little discouraged that it's two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: One year, okay, you banch him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope this is wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're all saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a three year deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the first year was last year or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's two more years of time or maybe I'm saying can they just pay him to sit at home.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, like I think he's still good at a good a good prior went when it went healthy You just need to and so maybe this give you a chance to play him last and keep him de-achimoring and keep him healthy I think he's been healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be interesting how they use only all this year
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I certainly think Ward is more of an everyday player and O'Neill, I would imagine that we'll only see the field against left handed hitters.
[SPEAKER_03]: A picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but hold on, left handed pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Taylor Ward crushes.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying you'll O'Neill really is just going to be a D.A.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're your DH or Word can play DH if he's playing every day, make sense of time at DH or you go with a left to feel out of a of a kneel in a right foot of Word or vice versa.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to put a kneel in that field with that extra depth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they put the wall in, but a kneel can't handle that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think he's, I mean, I see in my mind, I quit ward as being kind of equally defensively good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're both average defense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with those levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those levels versus O'Neal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ward and O'Neal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you put those guys in left and right, whatever order you do it, and then you can really kind of get up more of a, a right-hand heavy line up against lefties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, perhaps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I just,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, yes, he had every day players see a platoon guy and if it's bread and hide, he's a platoon guy, but without the I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Taylor Ward has a career negative minus 18 defensive run saved.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, um, last last year, he was a had a career high of 0.5.
[SPEAKER_01]: defensive wins above replacement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so below average after below average.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're not going to put him in left field either.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess we'll just have no one out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy Jackson be versus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's another guy who doesn't know how or we go with your action or your plan of moving Jackson holiday to the outfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly how the center is still a deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's intriguing, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like this does bring it to the possibility if you wanted to move on from an outfielder, if you wanted to trade cows, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess you can't trade cows, just tell me the center field.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have the range.
[SPEAKER_01]: Until Bradfield comes up, you don't have anyone else that can play the banner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the free agent options for center are really there either.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's why there's talk of, well, the Central Mullins make the most sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get them cheap, you bring them back, and at least you've got a defensive guy out in center.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe, but...
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I assume Saturday was going to want to make a good amount of money and play with things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So last contract.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if he'd be interested in our little.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you give us a one-year deal for Brad Philharp something?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he'll be down with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just really like now with Ward.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like Wardle.
[SPEAKER_03]: The makeup of this offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he adds exactly like the power hitting the right-handed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a walks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he fits exactly what this team made.
[SPEAKER_03]: Better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I better not bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I better not batter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a middle line up bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: That suddenly makes the entire line up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I love it and he's done this the past two years and I feel like if you read kind of his career arc He came up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was reading a lot about him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He dominated in single doubles triple like crushed it came up to the major struggled What's that back down
[SPEAKER_03]: figured it out and the past couple years really is starting to figure out and become a great player.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like all the growing pains our overalls hitters have been going through these junk hitters.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has already been through all that and kind of is now on the other end of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's also I feel like a more consistent, proven, better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And could be, I don't know about his personality, but seems like he could be a veteran leader who has gone through kind of all this stuff as evolution as a hitter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who is struggle?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where that's kind of where a lot of our players are kind of at.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at his war stats, he went from a negative 0.2 and negative 9 in his first two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: To then he moved in the positive territory, 0.1, 0.4, 0.6, 3.5, 1.7, 2.3, 2.7.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always going up, except for that one year where it went way higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, it's moving up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting better as he gets maybe older and smarter and more of the brain stuff of baseball comes together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of just the over-counted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so we have some young out footage that caught in cows or who we like to see think of next step next year, and so maybe he'd be good influence.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you add, and Silas always reminds me of this, I was talking to Silas about this before the trade a few days ago about the Oros this year, and he's like dad, but like all next year we're going to have beavers and pasalo.
[SPEAKER_03]: and we didn't have them hardly at all that no that's just those two guys alone make us a better offensive team you have a set and you add and you know and we read really have a lot i mean you could say we lost or you know uh... and a hern well that's look about lariana or hern wouldn't you have traded both of those for ward wouldn't you rather have ward in your lineup than either of those
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I saw some people say, I saw some people comment, well, why didn't just keep Lord L'Oriano, but then that's hindsight, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But even then, you got prospects back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I would take Ward over L'Oriano, and I would take the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: The best.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: The best.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lord L'Oriano might be slightly better, defensively.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's also less of a proven commodity, then.
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah um then ward i mean he's only did it really last year so uh yeah i i really like this you had the silo you had ward and it just seems as i can top to bottom but it's gonna be a really good lineup right now we signed a couple pictures and i and start putting those world series tickets get us a couple aces aces up there yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: You, yeah, you give me one ace and one bullpen, strong bullpen guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Judge, I can't help but think, Dale Hall seems to be making the move to the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot about Hunter Harvey, who's had a really good career in the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the bullpen?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had on bad teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: But just like Grayson, he had so many injuries as a starter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dale Hall the same way.
[SPEAKER_03]: This time you get injured over and over again, they move to the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like this also could be a likely avenue for Grayson to be a bullpen arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could definitely be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then if you think about the trade from that lens, like would you rather have a good bullpen arm or ward, it seems like a pretty, now if you say, well, if you rather have to take a number of a ward, yeah, but everyone who's negative on this trade, still it sees Grayson as a side young candidate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're past that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's failed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and if you want to pray for a miracle and you're the angels and you have nothing to lose like I get it from the angels perspective Yeah, make sense for them too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is It makes sense on both sides for the originals and the angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, now if racing goes out and wins how young we're gonna I'll be carry my fire on the high side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but if we get into the playoffs with this lineup then who cares?
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, if we have a good rotation and a good line up, then good for grace and do the best you can out in California, we didn't need you this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and people are going to say, oh, we overpaid and maybe we did, but like we said before, like maybe there was other offers out there, but maybe Mike Eliza wanted the trick reason for his reasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe, you know, all that said, it looks like on the on the surface of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: like an overpay, but we said the same thing about corporate burns, like one year of somebody is almost always going to be an overpay over four or five, six years of another player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is what when now teams have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are a win now team.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a team where it's a major failure if we're not in the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's your.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's mean we've got to make moves like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so just like we brought in corporate corporate burns for one year for a bit, knowing it might we might not be able to resign them.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I know words not the quite at the level of the corporate burns, but the same idea, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, trade years of control for one year because you're kind of pushing your chips all into this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's taken and getting
[SPEAKER_01]: and replacing it with something you have pretty good confidence in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh, the the most important ability in sports, availability, okay, availability.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Grace and Regus was just not available.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not nearly enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does no good for the Orioles when he's home.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and even if he turns into an ace, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not going to be a side young kind of this year, because he's not going to throw more than a hundred innings, even if he's healthy the whole year.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he works up next year to morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe in three years, you get the full, like, maybe you get in three years, you get what grace and could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's three years away, and it's a whole lot of F's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I like the mentality too.
[SPEAKER_03]: The mentality is we're trying to win this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that it is November 19th when we're making this move.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't the classic Oral's move is this is a January 25th move.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the end of the year end of the offseason move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and there is some, I've been reading a lot about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some comments are hitting at, like, because the contract, the angels, like, just wanted to get rid of Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that might be true, because they don't might not want to pay the 13th moment ever, and they're not trying to win this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, you're telling me, given the fridge and market, and just look at the list, there's no one.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no power hitting right handed hitting out filters.
[SPEAKER_03]: they don't exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're telling me other teams don't want word on their team?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I bet a whole bunch of other teams would like a Taylor Ward on their team.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't by this argument that the angels were like on a cutter or just trying to get rid of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, like I think they had some suitors or they could have went to the trade deadline if they knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's actually right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had other teams who would like to have a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: They put this out because they said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll field market and we can move them, we can move them now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then if you look again back to the Michael I has comments.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just keep on thinking about him as being cocked to as like a wild card And like not knowing how much they'll be able to count on grace it right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the right one.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the wall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's not you don't say that about someone who's supposed to be healthy in the spring training When right like he ever all the all the talk is Josh, he's healthy calling in the spring right so why would you call him a wild card And you don't know if you count on him if he's healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well look back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They never said that about Patissa
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't said that at all about Heston Kirsten, who's the biggest wild card with his health.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been on the same page with health with everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to call Christ in a wild card, yeah, there's something going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Orioles also announced this week, a couple days ago, that Buck Britain is returning us their base coat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's good because there was a lot of changes, but Buck is still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's good to see him stick around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is a little shorter than 336.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you have to go out of town, and I've been pretty busy when in my championship.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to glad we're able to get in and talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And next up, I bet our next episode will be talking about the New Orleans Ace.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be the first of many
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of in-promptu, Josh, we need to come on and talk about this because this exciting just happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first of many.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, start making your list now with Ward at the top where I've Thanksgiving episode when we share what we're thankful for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I would be anything else be thankful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for for is ward it for now.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we for Christmas?
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, some Christmas gifts are the GM meetings now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're December.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's the winter meetings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there were meetings now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aren't those GM meetings just like the week before the winter meetings?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but they were like part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the GM means were last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they were okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this talk might have started then as far as this move.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we should have winter means in December.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but this is, I mean, this is shocking, but again, I go back to Corbin Burns trade, but it's real similar to this trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: their mechanized trade of prospect for one year rental and I'm listening, mechanized is going to be judged for these trades.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that he'll he'll be judged and we'll see out there where they work out and if we win this year, it really doesn't matter how good Grayson is, if we win this year and more plays well, but if we don't and Grayson plays well, well, that's how GMs get fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the last off season.
[SPEAKER_01]: We added Charlie Morton,
[SPEAKER_01]: Tommy Seguna, Andrew Kittridge, Gary Sanchez, Ramon, Laryano, Dylan Carlson, and Tyler O'Neill.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ward is better than all of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great start.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're already saying Kittridge again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess trade it for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got Kittridge back.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the Kittridge move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love that move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we can do the same thing isn't remote remote.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not remote.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but isn't Deming right on her in a free agent again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but I think the Mingus is too.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the Mingus is too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we can get him back to stick with the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we still need a starter, maybe two, and a bullpen arm, maybe two.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, and I think everyone knows that.
[SPEAKER_03]: My glorious knows that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And clearly he's in win now mode, so it's not a matter of when.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if it pumped, well, one hole filled, so let's get out of here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll let you get out to your trip.
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