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[SPEAKER_04]: Media Podcast, the Legendary, Al Michael's from Amazon, Al, how are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, Jimmy, how you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't talked since the season started.
[SPEAKER_01]: So fire away, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you got a couple of big ones with the bells and Texans on Thursday night.
[SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, we couple hours ago, I guess, a broke shroud not playing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you guys have black Friday, which is now, you know, with the bears,
[SPEAKER_01]: winning all these games now the black Friday bears eagles game uh... becomes a big deal for you and carcass street there on amazon prime no question i mean our schedule is looking pretty good coming down the stretch here but he's uh... on December i think it's the 18 we have c-hawks and rams so they play obviously last week and that that made the term in the NFC west and then christmas night is
[SPEAKER_01]: Denver at Kansas City, you tell me what that could be at this particular point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's shaping up very nicely down the stretch for us at Prime.
[SPEAKER_04]: It really is because when I knew I was going to do this, I quickly scanned the Thursday night schedule to see.
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, let me see if there's like a
[SPEAKER_04]: a possible flex situation for Thursday night and ow, and I couldn't find one game that maybe would get flex consideration.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a good, that's a good, that's all you need to know right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the only game looking ahead would be something like Atlanta at Tampa, but even that with that division.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, last year, we were able to flex into to one game.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are so many restrictions, obviously, you know, Fox can protect some games, you have the Sunday night game that can't be moved, the Monday night game that, you know, can't, they, I guess they can't be moved.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, there are too many windows that are already filled and and protections and all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, we don't, we don't see a flex now in the line this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to see this been a backlash because that might be strong.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm a big Chris Maddug, Russel, it's an earn his, he's constantly rallying against all the windows and the, and the, and the, stand the long games and there's a theory and narrative that it hurts, want to clock sometimes even hurts for a clock.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I could almost buy what people are saying, and then you see the ratings and the ratings through the roof.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy, what can I say, aside from the fact, what is it 93 of the top 100 shows on television?
[SPEAKER_01]: or the NFL games.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they've come up with a drama, I mean, I understand tracker is supposedly a big hit on CBS.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what number is that compared to what the NFL brings you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a good show too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Justin Hartley's a good friend of mine as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a little pop here for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, if a network comes up with one or two shows that break into the top of it, oh my God, the whole world is watching, not really, but you know, they can position it that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had to chuckle at your track or mention because
[SPEAKER_04]: My dad was in the hospital two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's fine, everything's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: It worked out fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: We thought maybe he needed somewhere that was hard to turn that.
[SPEAKER_04]: He had the blood issue, they fixed it.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was in the hospital for six days because they run all these tests.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going there daily and I said, what is, is there anything you need?
[SPEAKER_04]: Anything I could bringy goes, just go to my house and make sure you tape tracker.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: That should be a promo.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, seriously, he wanted, and this is what he said to me because and you got to record the show after tracker because the football goes long on CBS on Sunday and then all the taping gets out of whack.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's not going to stream it on like power amount the next day.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's got to be recorded on this evening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you saying one so he can figure it out too, which is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I figured out many, you know, I have my way to figure it out, trust me, that's the way I do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way to do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, listen, to me, I can see where you think maybe the NFL is peeling it off a little too much, maybe, because there's going to be a package with those international games, obviously coming up.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know, when people try to spit it as an negative, I can't buy it because look at the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't spit it as a negative.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, they'll go cut back at some point if, if they see leakage in the numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: But until then, until then, I mean, you might as well be prepared for,
[SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday morning, 4 a.m. football.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if they if they could figure out how to make that time slot work, they would.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they keep adding these these time periods.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're the point now on a lot of Sundays.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have four games.
[SPEAKER_01]: The International Game.
[SPEAKER_01]: the Fox game, the CBS game, the Sunday night game, the numbers are still spectacular.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the one thing that sings these days and it's keeping a lot of the, you know, the media platforms in business as we know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had a reader of mine recently suggest something to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: He sent me an email about sort of the NFL scheduling and I had never thought of it And when he sent this email and I I feel bad because I don't remember his name One of my listeners or readers.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was all listen to the podcast and I mean email and he said something about Why doesn't the NFL you can only do it weeks one and two you can't do it any other weeks we do weeks one and two Tuesday night game
[SPEAKER_04]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_04]: If you think about it, week one, you can absolutely have a Tuesday night came.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because there's no reason why a team can't go Tuesday that the team that plays on Tuesday could put them on Monday night the next week or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, listen, if teams can go from Sunday to Thursday,
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a Tuesday night game in there the for like top more stand along windows that first those first two weeks there was some Tuesday night games during the pandemic year 2020 I did a Tuesday night game back in Philadelphia When there was a big old nor Easter coming in and they actually
[SPEAKER_01]: stopped the they postpone the game like in the afternoon and a lot of people in Philadelphia, including, I think, Ed Rendell might have been the mayor and he's a little pissed off that, well, they can play tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, they can play tonight because it started dumping snow at like four o'clock and we didn't play until Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was more Tuesday night football for you back in.
[SPEAKER_01]: What were the 80s?
[SPEAKER_01]: What year?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, this was like the
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let me tell you something.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they'd have played the game that night, because at four o'clock there's no snow, then all of a sudden it began to dump like crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we went down to do a pre-game show.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were supposed to do Sunday Night Football, but we did a pre-game show from the stadium.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time we got out of the stadium, it must have been like a foot of snow on the expressway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people had somehow come to that game,
[SPEAKER_01]: when it wasn't snowing, but the time they got out of the end, they couldn't have found their cars in the parking lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that's why they get canceled.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, you mentioned it a little while ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just curious.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like I said, I was got Bill's Texans this week on Prime Black Friday, Barra Ziegels, and then you mentioned a Christmas night.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, Prime has the game, which I think is the first for Christmas night, and you've got Broncos of Cheese, which works out perfectly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me, have you ever worked a game on Christmas day before?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, many.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think many, you'd be probably
[SPEAKER_01]: three or four through the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it weird working on Christmas days at a different feel?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it what is that like?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no question about that, but once the game gets started, it's a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've worked a ton of Thanksgiving day games, even when I was doing a college football.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I did like two or three games in state-common-spensive England.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should do pit-pens-state.
[SPEAKER_01]: on Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm used to it, you know, the family, I'm home like every other Thanksgiving and every other Christmas, but you know what, we all have jobs to do and I really appreciate the fact that it's not just me or who my partner might be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 100 people on the crew that are there a way for the holidays.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's a little different.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no question.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wake up on Christmas morning, it's going to one of my doing, but then you get to the game, it's another game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't seem like you guys, I get the feel you guys over at prime with the pregame crew with Karissa Ryan Fitzpatrick Tony Gonzalez.
[SPEAKER_04]: With Andrew, Andrew, what words and and and Richard chairman.
[SPEAKER_04]: I get to feel you guys all enjoy each other, have a lot of fun together.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a blast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say this is some crew.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of laughs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even after the game, and it's late for the time, those guys come back because the late last week, where were we?
[SPEAKER_01]: We were in Boston.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in Foxboro and we were staying in Boston and we got back to the hotel maybe at midnight and they come flying in about a quarter to one and that's the gang that they can shoot straight but they don't need any sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you it is that is they are some crew we have we have a tonal laughs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love working with those people.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been that's been the best part of this whole Amazon experience.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when you do a Thursday night game, when do you leave to go back to California the next morning or do you go that night?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, if it's a Easter and essential, it's going to be the next day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, I'm too wired after the game, and they're flying right into the wind.
[SPEAKER_01]: five, you know, four or five hours, it's a West Coast game I can normally get on with L.A. obviously on home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then right try to get home or and then we're a Phoenix, but for the most part, you know, I just need a little bit of, you don't need a little time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, my partner is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, do you know what he's done?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw him earlier today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's his next few days.
[SPEAKER_01]: He flies to Houston tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do the game Thursday night.
[SPEAKER_01]: He then flies after the game, too, Eugene, Oregon, where he has meetings all day Friday, tapes a bunch of pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes on the air at six a.m. Pacific time for a game day.
[SPEAKER_01]: until nine o'clock.
[SPEAKER_01]: He then goes to the airport in Eugene, Oregon, and flies to Gainesville, Florida to do the game that night.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is not of the human species, I'm telling you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kirk does this every freaking week, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: He needs to have more pull on where they have game day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like no, you know, you've seen this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: I told him, I said they're trying to kill you.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what you're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that he's made a bit out of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: He posts like a great little map on social media of where he's flying and then he's got the dog situation which people get into.
[SPEAKER_04]: So at least he's making the best of all that travel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's amazing to prepare and he's unbelievably well prepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and somehow some way, I mean, his, his chart, what am I still his like spawning board?
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's in like agatech.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you read this?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be a prayer for the two games Jimmy, but for game day, he's got an obviously, you know, they're talking about 15 different games.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a lot of game day to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a half that he's got to make a good hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the guy has a chance to win half a million bucks on the Mac effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Last thing if he's tired on a Saturday morning, it's not going to matter because Pat's wake him up correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to get to some just specifics on a couple of things that have happened this season and then I want to I want to transition to something very, very fun after that because something I saw something this week about you From years ago that I want to discuss, but let me get let me get a couple of things here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me you know, it was a big deal a few weeks ago during It was the Charger's Vikings game when there was a field goal that we thought hit a wire
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you said it hit a wire in one of the international games and then you said the NFL is going to take my lunch.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, I know you can't sit here and probably give us the full school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I had mentioned that the only miss was when the kicker had hit a camera wire.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in London or what one of the international games and we got word, you know, through our.
[SPEAKER_01]: producer Mark titleman that the league is contending that didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just I wanted to make sure that I had it right and I didn't know what the What whether it did or it didn't but I was there to express Three weeks or four weeks after the fact what the league was contending so in other words hey and you know You got to make you got to make a joke of something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean what's the big deal to begin with right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're talking about something that had happened as I say 21, 28 days ago, so, you know, you know, the Rascal, the Rascal always likes to have a little fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did you do an eye roll though when you heard you had a, you know, of course, you heard it twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think they call it back a second time ago, okay, okay, okay, what can I tell you?
[SPEAKER_04]: But they didn't know you were going to say the NFL is going to take my lunch money.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, amazingly, in that game, it was a that game where you went heavy on the gambling references, which from what you've told me in the past, that you never hear about.
[SPEAKER_04]: You say the ball hit a wire on a field goal that buzz and write in.
[SPEAKER_04]: You gambling references that you slightly do, you say you never hear a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's when they took my lunch away when I got it into bed with draft kings and and fan dual and those other guys right because remember and it was a lot of fun in the old days when you weren't supposed to do it It was like hey, you know Alice speaking this stuff in now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not speaking anything it right, but I just I want I want my fine feathered friends to know and all others that I am still I'm aware of what's going on
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we still appreciate it because even though the NFL and all the leagues are in bed with draft Kings and Fandal, they're still, there are plenty of announcers who won't go there.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are plenty who do it very quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can tell they don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You at least treat the gambler with some level of respect which we appreciate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing this for 40 years, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the first time I've had it done this when I was doing a college football, seriously, back in the late 70s and through the mid 80s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So nothing new, fans enjoy it, they get a kick out of it, and, you know, these days were kind of told, well, we really don't want to overdo them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to do with the game if that game is if the only thing that's keeping you tuned into the game is you overrunner right I got to let my friends know I'm with it pal I got you right right it is it is fine that they want to thread that needle you know I mean the money that's coming in from the sites is incredible it is we you know I know they're the Calvin Ridley thing but this the major scandals have hit baseball and basketball not the NFL
[SPEAKER_04]: which, I don't know, it's the profit, it's the profit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I've a feeling that those curtailed a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too, especially what's going on right now and baseball with the two Cleveland pictures.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but we haven't even really heard, I think, I don't know, I think football might be too big.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, look at the, look at the, I mean, the Cleveland thing to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just cracks me up.
[SPEAKER_04]: The guy is throwing the ball into the ground because his friends are betting first pitch to be a ball.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't see a quarterback intentionally throwing an in completion to fix a wager for a friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, maybe it's the beginning of the game, you know, I'm not saying it will happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt seriously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just it's football's harder, but baseball and basketball because it's the easiest of all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: As was proven by, you know, what's going on right now in the NBA.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but the under, you know, got to take himself out of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: How simple is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got issues to deal with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we knew this was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised it's not bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised it's not bigger than it is right now to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of the props, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all over the place right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: It would seem really hard for someone to throw a game.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the props is definitely where the Chicanary can take place.
[SPEAKER_01]: No question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the throw a game you need accomplices, you need teammates, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the people who are in on it, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it would just be too hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the props are the issue right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: No question.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to ask you this, it's someone who's...
[SPEAKER_04]: I had the career you've had, everyone, you know, you hear you think who's the best play by play person people think out Michael is right away and I'm not getting into this for the politics of it that that's not the issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just curious because we saw Kenny Albert had to interview Trump a couple of weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: If that assignment comes to, you know, if whether comes to you or Kenny, do you like, do you think Kenny like that?
[SPEAKER_04]: You think Kenny was like, I'd rather not go, no matter who the president is.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it could be a Democrat or a Republican.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, interviewing your president or the game, is it looked at as sort of like, it's the president?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is something we should do, or is it like, the sport fan might get ticked off or interrupting the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because, you know, sports fans, okay, who the president is?
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't want their games interrupted.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think that assignment was like for Kenny Howard?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it tough or is it easy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me what you think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I've been in situations to where people come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let me tell you something.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's easier than interviewing in my years at ABC.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd have to bring in the star of some show that was coming on in three weeks that we'd last a week and a half.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interviewing the president again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Forget the polarization.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whoever it is, I mean, how many times does broadcasts you get to interview the president in the United States?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how can he felt about that, but you know if I was giving that to somebody you do it I mean, that's part of the deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the president in the United States comes in, you know What are you not gonna talk to him about you know Latin America?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna talk to him about you know, who's your favorite team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, speaking of interviewing the president of the United States, I happened to watch the manning cast in the second quarter last night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see President Bush on there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he put it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not see it because I was not home, but I was full on a couple of clips where he was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: phenomenal, phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to actually know him fairly well every left office and he's got a fantastic sense of humor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, in a sports trivia contest, he will hold his own trust me on this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think what helps there is, you know, obviously, former owner of the Texas Rangers.
[SPEAKER_04]: No sports is a sports thing, you know, but we saw Barack Obama did the, um, he would do the NCAA tournament.
[SPEAKER_04]: He'd fall out the brackets, if they no sports, it helps a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes them human.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, look, to me, there are two universal languages, sports and music.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he comes into the booth, the president, that's what you would talk to the president of the United States about sports at that particular time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: do you what you watch Kenny do that are you are you looking at it as like the play by play guy to see like how you would do it or you watching that differently or you just watch it and you don't analyze it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only heard about it and see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean I don't know you know what Kenny talked about I assume it was mainly about about football maybe about the stadium situation in Washington.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that came or not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well Kenny tried to keep it on topic but
[SPEAKER_01]: something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then again, but yeah, then again, you're at the, you're at the back and cold, the whimsy of somebody we were interviewing, but trust in interviewing these kind of heavy stars of shows that would be canceled within a week and a half was a lot tougher.
[SPEAKER_04]: The old timer for me is when Brent, and your partner, it was Brent and Kirk Kerbshee when they had M&M in the booth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That one I saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: no question, but him and him is that he's a gigantic sports fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after, you're not going to believe this, but it was out there on Instagram or, you know, whatever source had it and they got something like 2 million views after the Super Bowl in Los Angeles when the Rams beat the Bengals after the 21 season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably up in the booth for another 20 to 25 minutes and going to collect my stuff and it was the last game for me at NBC and, you know, goodbye and a P.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: came up and said there's a man waiting for you at the truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, who?
[SPEAKER_01]: M&M and there he was and I knew that he was he was a fan because I had seen a couple of interviews where he was quoted as saying there are else voices sick which in that world means great right uh... it took me a couple minutes to understand what that meant but so I went down to the truck and sure enough there he is and he's talking to my wife for 15 minutes
[SPEAKER_01]: he's really kind of shy and but he's a gigantic sports fan and he tells me you can't retire I said well I don't plan to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said no I would miss you so much and I said he listen I appreciate that and the fact that he had performed remember he was part of the half-time performance that day yeah and he's waiting around and
[SPEAKER_01]: I said to him, I said, by the way, I just, I want you to know, oh, so we start going each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, you're the goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, no, no, you're the goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I said, you know, outside of God with the wind, my favorite movie was eight mile.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a chuckle out of him anyway, but he was terrific and he's a he's a true sports fan Yes, and obviously you should destroy lion fan Allen M&M There's someone they should put in the booth for one of these Thursday and I came for a little bit That's I won't leave You have the lion's cowboys, would you have the lion's cowboys get him in the room?
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll probably see him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll reach out
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, let me, I want to go to some of the here, but you mentioned it about him telling talk to you about retirement.
[SPEAKER_04]: We know now you're on like a year to year thing here with Amazon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have, do you have a feel now what you may do or and if you don't, when would that decision come?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel really good right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a good year, a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as I say, I love the, I love the people I'm working with.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I had to make a decision today,
[SPEAKER_01]: I would want to come back again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two-way street here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could tell me, hey, we got to move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's time to make a transition.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that, I don't know, that could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as of the moment, as we should here on this November, November, afternoon, I feel really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still love what I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, work with a tremendous cruise.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think at this moment in time, yeah, I would like to continue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: How important is it to you to have a playoff game?
[SPEAKER_04]: because Prime has won again for the second year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, the wild card game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have one last year too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for you, yes, for one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I've done 11 Super Bowls.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many wild card games and all?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my plate has been filled up for a long time, show me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, it's everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still exciting for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, like, if I'm so, I'm passionate about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: If they didn't have a wild card game, would that make you say, or they don't even have a playoff game, maybe I would hang it up now, or like, that's not a game.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: filmed in early autumn, 1969.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when I saw that pictures, I had no idea how it did a little whi-fi though.
[SPEAKER_04]: So give me a little rundown on that and then I want to go more into the TV career about Michaels here after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I started my career in Hawaii, doing the Hawaiian owners of the Pacific Coast League.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time I had left there, I had done three years of not only baseball, but University of Hawaii, football, high school, football and basketball, I'm on television twice a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Hawaii 50 had started up, and they were filming it.
[SPEAKER_01]: in Hawaii.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were using for cameo appearances and, you know, brief like one minute two minute spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the local people on television.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the coal came out, can you play like a public defender lawyer?
[SPEAKER_01]: I said great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I studied up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got about three or four lines and I show up in a very nervous, but I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jack
[SPEAKER_01]: and he's going to be in the scene with me, but I don't meet him, he's in his own dressing room, and they put me into the part of the set where I am now in the jail cell, talking to the guy I'm going to defend is the public defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here comes Jack Lord, it doesn't say hi, doesn't say good to see you, doesn't say, you know, happy to have you here, nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes in and we're he's ready for the take he wants to you know take take one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're the board didn't we got the clap the whole thing so
[SPEAKER_01]: I say, I have the first words and I start to talk and he goes, listen to the camera and he goes, cut, I'm going, I'm going to get fired right off the bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even get the, and he has his hand up with the back of his hand toward the camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he looks at the makeup person, he says, I need more hand to make up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go what?
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy who can't even see his hand stops the recording.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we got through it and it lives on the, you know, on the internet now on YouTube and it's, uh, it's hysterical.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see this picture by any chance this week?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in some of the tier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, when I didn't see that particular one, but I've seen the video on the videos that they're on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, did you get an acting bug when you did that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you like doing TV?
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it, but I didn't get any acting bug.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was in the right part of the profession for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: At that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was scary though.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, with Jack Lord, so we find the of, I think we did like three or four takes got it done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He walks out, you know, no, hello, no, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you around.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when I saw that, I went, I said, let me see, I went to your IMD page to see like TV stuff and obviously a lot of people know the movie stuff that you've done.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're a miracle, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So let me, I want to just roll off some of these and I'll stop when I want you to.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you didn't, well, here's his announcer, who's the boss?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, Tony Danzer, TV show, yeah, a few lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all know about you, we got you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did about three of them with, we're cranking now, so that was a stericlum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spins City.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, I think it did one maybe box right now with this is this like now I know spin city and the and the last one ABC shows is that was that the time here that ABC would try to use out and get awesome publicity how did that work?
[SPEAKER_01]: some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, not know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of like, you know, we need, we need an announcer.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need the guy to a guy to play an announcer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The coach stuff happened just off on the side somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember exactly how.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I did a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did, um, let's see, who's the boss was AB she, but I did one of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got, um, we got our family guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got our list here, which is a circle.
[SPEAKER_01]: hysterical love that love our list and you went to episodes of our list yeah at least I'm still getting residuals but I want to get I want to get let me right I want to get right let me just roll these off quickly there's a show here I never heard of brothers keeper yeah there was a there's like a voice over okay two guys a girl in a pizza
[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of that was a in episode of some show got it now.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, and then as a show here, Chicago Fireworks is just voiceover, correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me, so what are you getting residuals from it?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I still get pretty decent size residuals from Jerry McGuire, which is still out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say decent, I say 140 bucks, um, and does that residual check come?
[SPEAKER_04]: three times a year maybe three times a year you get a check for 140 bucks for Jerry McGuire.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: A miracle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still get a miracle still pays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that movie, you know, just lives on the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get, but my favorite things are getting checks for life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to check for 13 cents from a show, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jimmy Burroughs is a great friend of mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most prolific show.
[SPEAKER_01]: sitcom director of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is your friends, well, integration.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy is one of the all-time great great man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I send him a photo, I said, jealous 13.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy has to rebuild his mailbox every two years, so if it's only all the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I come back.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you mentioned what might be his most underage on my opinion, taxi.
[SPEAKER_04]: for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is a show that does not get the credit it deserves when people talk about the greatest sitcoms of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was all Jim James Barrow's from from what I know about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything he touched turn the gold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: To this day, he's still working.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're working on the pilot right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: What, and but we all know what you should get the biggest residual check for of course was the O. J.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chase, but of course that's the great style Michael's TV appearance or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Barney that was on the Howard Surnish show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was your residual.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because they used that on the TV and
[SPEAKER_04]: What am I going to call them up see what you're going to do I'll see what I can do we'll see what got to get Howard back.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we got to do before any.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The time is taken.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, before we go, I did not and any level want to get into any of the food stuff because we've done it to death every and every, you know, how does any vegetables, how does any vegetables?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to get into it.
[SPEAKER_04]: However, with Thanksgiving being next week, I figured I would just ask, what does
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, obviously, I love Turkey, and I love the dark meat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mashed potatoes, fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I love cranberry sauce.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are the main staples.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apart from that, the vegetables, obviously we know I'm not gonna touch.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once in a while, a shrimp cocktail might show up for an appetizer.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has in the past that a couple of places I've been through the years But that's pretty much it we're gonna have it on the road this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I may I may throw a steak in there Jimmy You might as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw I you know, I should have looked this up before I interviewed you damn it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I there was a great Someone did a great profile.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I don't know if it became from a podcast a feature of but about you eating at that one restaurant in LA all the time Where they know you you have you stand the order
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's nice, that's kind of, just kind of, just kind of, I forgot, I was there last time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, when you walk in there, do you have the same table every time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I do, because we've been going there, Linda and I, and you know, wherever we're having dinner with for the 30, 36 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I've probably been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'd say between 80 and 100 times a year, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you've been to a place 3,000 times, you're normally treated fairly well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've been fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just been great.
[SPEAKER_04]: What happens if you walk in and someone's at your table?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or do you give them a note as I'm coming in, keep the table clear?
[SPEAKER_01]: they normally, you know, keep it for us and know what coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jimmy, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, guys, once I said, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Move me wherever you want to move me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's something you want to change the scenery around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a variety is a spice of life.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes to vegetables.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a quite a shot shot porn phrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, but that's tricky.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mesh, cranberry.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's something you won't do with stuffing.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem with stuffing is that normal has like onions and stuff like that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So what do I need it for?
[SPEAKER_04]: So you like, okay, so like for instance, my aunt makes an unreal stuffing, but she does it in an Italian style, his sausage and onion in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that would automatically be an out for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could have it with the sausage, but not with the onion.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't, but sometimes the onion can be chopped to the point where I don't know it's in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I knew it was an onion, forget about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more about the texture of something than the taste.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I may sample it one day when I'm back east.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, let me know.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate doing this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know it's a busy time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Prime the prime schedule is really strong over.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is closing week.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm happy for you for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you got the bills this week, which is obviously a great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great team to watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then following week you guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Philly Chicago Friday is what everyone's doing there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the badge really helped you out with that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then you have Dallas Detroit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You never go wrong with Dallas and land a Tampa Bay.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see ramps.
[SPEAKER_04]: Rocks is a great one to revenge and then then never can't you and a play.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got a great.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't ask for much more than that to wrap up the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the sweet spot right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Happy Thanksgiving and be well.
[SPEAKER_01]: You too, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take care, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, joining me now, always love when he makes his periodic appearances here on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: He started for sports, so it was traded.
[SPEAKER_04]: The former host of SI media, Richard Dijk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now at the athletic, Richard, how are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Jimmy, very great to be with you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very, very nice intro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: My pleasure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's Thanksgiving, so I'm going to be nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a time of season to be cheerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I appreciate you coming on because truth be told.
[SPEAKER_04]: I tried to book Al who we just heard and I couldn't do it so I reached out to Richard said he could do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then Al turned around and said he could do it and I already had Richard booked.
[SPEAKER_04]: I said do you mind being guess number two because some people care about that although I don't think not a difference.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here we are with with Richard.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good week because there's a lot of sports.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to say as I told you like as some both of us I think watch a lot of talk shows is as kids I love the second and third guest on letter men and coining in Carson or whoever so I'll get still not comfortable being compared to Carson and letter men in Lennown I mean I didn't compare you to Kim especially painfully unfunny or not came on time to say I didn't do a referred I didn't compare you to a Jimmy Fallon
[SPEAKER_04]: He's probably worse than Lano.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree, I actually would agree about Lano.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not, obviously, I was a Letterman guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in hindsight, you probably Lano wasn't as bad as the people who love the Letterman thought Lano was just given the, you know, I'm saying, given the friction at the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I always thought Lano was on funny, like really, like, but he was a great, you agree, he was a great stand-up and incredible on Letterman as a guest.
[SPEAKER_04]: tonight's show host where I would say Falon is way worse than Leno is at least Leno did not
[SPEAKER_04]: like loose his mind when the guess would say something.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you watch Fallen when he interviews someone, especially if it's someone, he interrupts, he slams his hands on the desk, he rolls, falls back in his chair, and the person's not even saying anything funny yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's ridiculous to watch, where as Lino didn't do that, Lino was at least decent with the interviews, I just didn't think his jokes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, why was I supposed to laugh at dancing Edo's?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I never understood any of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, the monologue was not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say for all those guys, not Carson per se, because really, really different time, but man, if you watch Lennon and Lennon and some of the, some of the guests and questions that they had in the 90s, man, that they'd be off the air, they'd be off the air today, just it's amazing what went down in that era, compared to where we are today.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't you think a lot of them, it was all sort of like a way to sort of keep up with Stern.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they sexualized a lot of guests, let's just be blunt, and I think Howard had a massive impact.
[SPEAKER_02]: because I think they were, I think they were scared of his fame, you agree?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, yes, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think at any moment, in that era, if he wanted to go to late night, it would have been game over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Game over, 100.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the guy, we both remember the New York Channel 9 show.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was beating, he was beating his networks on an independent station.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's another time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: would have, would have crushed them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's, I have having watched not too long.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple episodes of the tonight show with Jane Lennow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't as bad as I think my memory remembered.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I'll tell you the guy who I think's the most underrated of all is Conan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would agree with that, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the time, I'm going to be good about the tonight show for much longer.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But again, I could see where people don't get the Conan since a humor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Letterman tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go to some sports meeting news.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me start.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was going, I wanted to start with the NBA, but since the YouTube TV, ESPN thing just got settled.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just any impressions, any thought, you know, when it got settled, there was over the weekend, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't as big, and I don't have it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So for me, it wasn't as monster story, but I know everyone was into it.
[SPEAKER_04]: everyone says YouTube TV made out like bandits bandits because now if you have YouTube TV you can get ESPN unlimited.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which I find fascinating because it seems like we're going backwards now to cable.
[SPEAKER_04]: What were your impressions of it all wrapping up over the weekend?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, you know, we all live through these sort of character disputes or disputes between big media entities.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fans are always the biggest
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you have stated very eloquently over the years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I mean, I think if I'm going to sort of give and turn, if, you know, if I, if you want me to just base it down like, you know, winners, losers, you know, blah, blah, I think YouTube comes out, YouTube TV comes out ahead of ESPN, but I think they had the better leverage plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the reality is Jimmy that YouTube TV is a little, little tiny slice of the alphabet universe, right, where where ESPN is a bigger and much more entity in the Disney universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: probably could have held out if they really needed to forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that might take away is this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that we're within five years, probably of YouTube TV being the biggest player, more than Comcast and more than the other places where you watch this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the thing, that's the big takeaway to me is that that's,
[SPEAKER_02]: how do I sort of say this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was not surprised, but I was paying attention to the fact that in the dispute, if least if you were taking like the sentiment of it, people love YouTube TV, and we're backing YouTube TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they didn't, usually as you know, in these situations, I hate cable vision, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate Comcat, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But in this case,
[SPEAKER_02]: ESPN, you would agree was more of the villain than YouTube TV.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_04]: I first of all, I was stunned by how many people had you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, when I went and looked at the number, it's 10 million people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But every single person on Twitter who's a sports fan has it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was really, really, really eye-opening to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I asked people, give me some info.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I understand now why people like it, the multi cast is a big deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does seem like
[SPEAKER_04]: It does seem like I think what you said there is so dead on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can see in five years almost everyone having YouTube TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know what, I'm not going to predict the number, but right, 20 million.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, what's a good number in five years?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be more than 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it obviously given where I live, but every person I talk to who has it, like that is a rare thing that comes to a service like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why can't YouTube TV be in Canada?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like you, I am a dinosaur and I continue to go through my tradition, but is it offered in Canada?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that up the top of my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't, I don't want to guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for my purposes,
[SPEAKER_02]: Rogers and Bell, which are the big tell-concier, give you everything, and this is the same by the way, in a lot of places.
[SPEAKER_02]: In Canada, I have much better access to the NFL than you do outside of you paying for Sunday ticket, let's say.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just get so many more national games than you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you wanted to get us something to do this, yeah, I actually subscribe to Sunday ticket, so I have that, and that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that just Sunday ticket through Rogers cable got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that was got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe three 75 Canadians, so maybe 300 USD.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three hundred.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if you, it's much cheaper if you have YouTube TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you don't have YouTube TV, something tickets almost $500, but I got some deal for like a hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, we're in the same universe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: What I've always said about why I hate watching sports on streaming besides the cost and you have to have 50 different services is I don't like that I can't flip and this deal with YouTube TV fixes that problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if that's gonna be the wave of the future, like this was the first time in my life where I ever said it to myself in my head.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I've always said I will be cable for life, 100%.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now I can see, now it's like, now it's 99%.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because if you're going to fix the flipping problem and then you're going to be that much cheaper and I don't have to fudge around with the freaking ESPN app and I can just do it all on there.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all positives for the user.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now that that again, I will say and my system I cannot do that when I have to when I leave my cable universe to go to Netflix because you're going to go to prime.
[SPEAKER_02]: You cannot flip back and you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: When there are like four great games going on, it's incredibly frustrating.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let me switch gears here and go to the MBA which has new partners this year with Amazon Prime and BC back in business.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even want to get into inside the MBA.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had Brian Curtis on a couple of weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think during the first week of the season and everything is status quo and inside the MBA.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's nothing really to get into there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want your early impressions of Amazon and NBC as MBA broadcasters this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: My early impressions are very, very positive on both ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not really sure how one could disagree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll start with a game, the game stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both places have really, really done excellent preparation and work to make that feel like I'm watching Big Time NBA basketball.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I, you know, there is
[SPEAKER_02]: There probably is something to the fact that they have great broadcasters, you know, like if you're listening to Iron Eagle or Kevin Harlan call the game, it feels like a big time game, I think Terrico even gives it down on the NBA too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it feels like it feels big on the NBA sand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching for how I thought that on the bench thing would work, but it doesn't feel any different to me like when I hear Robbie Hummel and Austin Rivers give me an analysis.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel like any different than if like, you know, then gun the injects and we're sitting next to green or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So check a box for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the studio stuff, like I always feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: no one's going to ever come close to inside the NBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I watched that stuff, but I'm just, I'm almost watching, whether it's the, the Carmelo, you know, Vince Carter one or the Amazon was pretty good, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've liked that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, we nationally, what's getting better, but it's still like kind of background for me, where an inside the NBA, I'm like really into it and dialed into what.
[SPEAKER_02]: They they're same because I'm really invested in what Shack or Charles or Kenny half to say yeah, but but again those studio shows are totally watchable They seem to have people Who are engaged who are interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the prime video such him he was amazing if you want to just talk about the deck of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like yes
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's really, really, it's, you know, they've really put some thought into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the host of both shows, Taylor Rooks and Maria Taylor are really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty ego-free, and they let the other people talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: So by and large, like I think both have been excellent, and what I think it, this is one of my big takeaways.
[SPEAKER_02]: What it highlights is just how much, kind of, I don't think, better right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: It highlights a lot of the weaknesses of ESPN.
[SPEAKER_02]: or at least from last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I talked a lot about this on my podcast with John Lewis, a sports media watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watching the NBA finals, like, especially the studio stuff, was just relentlessly negative.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just even a Smith relentlessly bashing somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: No celebration to the NBA, just bashing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what Amazon and like NBC at least have done so far is like, they kind of made you feel good about watching basketball, which to me is pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was going to grade them right now, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: A minus, B plus, I don't know how you feel, but I think they've been excellent.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I feel very similar, I think, listen, like you said, you can come up with all the bells and whistles you want and innovations and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you have Mike to Rico and then I and in Kevin, Harlan.
[SPEAKER_04]: calling games.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're in good shape.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: The other stuff is all extra.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I've only seen the Amazon pre-game show once.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I said, let me let me tune in to see what's going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I like all those people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I love Blake Griffin.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like Taylor Brooks a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: My issue is I'm not going to Amazon to watch the NBA.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's, I don't, to me, it's like I had to say at a mind type of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless it's a game that they
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not happening that much.
[SPEAKER_04]: I get that's that's that's that's that's an issue with the NBA right that's where is on a Tuesday night I'm flipping the channels and boom there's the NBA and NBC.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't watch the peacock stuff either because on a Monday night, especially if football's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not going to that extra step to watch radio season and I'm a big Michael Grady fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's done a lot of our games.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does the he's a timber was broadcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you wouldn't know from locally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you're going against my football, you're, I mean, unless you're a diehard NBA fan, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're Coke.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I'm curious to see where NBC.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, first of all, I mean, the Jordan thing was ridiculous, but we all, I think people like you and I knew it would be ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I think it was on this pot where we said it's a fake non thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: One call to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like if you're expecting Michael to be on the set every week.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, but I'm just saying when you're going to send out press release and saying Michael Jordan's a special contributor.
[SPEAKER_04]: And his contributions are one interview that you cut into two parts.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in the first one, he says, oh, I went to some strangers house and made a shot.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the second one is shooting on players for time management.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not exactly special contributor title.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, like, I, in my head, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me Jordan talking about the lakers with Luca and LeBron, or give me him talking about Yoke, you know, they're not doing that.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're doing a, you know, Michael Jordan.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is your life type of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, but here's the thing, like, we're only in November.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is possible you might get that at the second half of the year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I would hope during the MBA finals, we'd get a break down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they don't have the finals.
[SPEAKER_04]: During the conference finals, we'd get like something about the two teams playing and not, oh, Michael Jordan scored 55 against the next.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think, I mean, again, I don't know this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't, they haven't said this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I bet you later in the year,
[SPEAKER_02]: will get more Michael on the current players.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I would love to hear Jordan on Victor Webb and Yama, like to be fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, exactly, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luke and LeBron, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, trust me, NBC wants that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really a question of, does Michael want to do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I would still contend having Michael Jordan as part of your press release is a win, no matter what you pay him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you look how much attention they got just from that.
[SPEAKER_04]: To the general public, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: To the general public, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it'll be, I'm curious to see where NBC keeps going for the nostalgia plays.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we had Bob Costa's, we've had Marv now, you know, I don't know what's next, but there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to touch all the time, yeah, I mean, I don't know, a mod, Hannah Storm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think they, you know, they're very legacy-oriented organization.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they'll continue to hit that note.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at a certain point, you can't have Bob Costas doing every entry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really looking forward to seeing NBC back in the major league baseball business.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because for me, Fox, it's too much.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's too over the top.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's too loud.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not about the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about them.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they don't, you know, they have a ride, David Ortiz, and Geter on a pregame show, simply because of the names.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe Davis is screaming 24-7 that the sound is so like everything is just two it's too much and I think NBC is going to be I think NBC You will have like an opposite feel and I think it's going to be much better for baseball very curious to see what they do and where they go for Play by play too.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had dog mad dog on he said I say if you could pick one person for them to hire as a lead play by play guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's your guy Dan Schillman
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I threw, I threw, um, Dan are still out there, bookshopping.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it would be great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jason and I think, yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, I don't, I'm not as down on Fox as you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me sort of count their a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think their production is amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think how they cover the game in terms of camera angles, audio, and stuff is phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a big fan of the guys behind the,
[SPEAKER_02]: behind the truck was Pete Macheska for a long, long, long, long time Matt Gang, well, I think they do a great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not as down on Davis and Smolts as you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think they call a pretty good game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where I could agree with you on is, sometimes the pre-game shows a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I love David Ortiz.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your Yankee guy, so maybe you like A-Rot and G-Rot in G-Rot all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can, their hit or miss with me when it comes to that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Burk Quartz good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have, I will give them credit for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've tried to emulate right inside the NBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is their sort of their big attempt, sort of frallicky and free-for-all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know if A-Rot and Geter would be the two other guys along with Poppy if you're trying to make it like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that said, you have two of the most famous baseball players in history who are incredibly,
[SPEAKER_02]: well-known and popular, so I get why you bring Geter and A-Rot on there, but studio show for me that it's always a little bit of hit or miss, but I'm not as down on the world series broadcasts as you are, and also I think that
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, get into your NBC point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think they could do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were great on baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you remember in the late 80s, early 90s.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so old.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember Tony Kubeck and Jogorazio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like they have a good history on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing that I really like about NBC strategy is.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to make Sunday night destination for everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Sunday night football, closing to Sunday night basketball, closing to Sunday night baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they will try to make that an event.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, we'll hear from the ESPN PR people were like, well, we try to make Sunday night baseball and invent as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, maybe that's just a case of what you had for 30 years and eventually just doesn't feel as special, where I think NBC, given that they're going to be new, it's going to feel special for the first year or two.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how special regular season baseball can feel.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I would tend to say what he is, he had on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do you think could it feel special in September when everything's on the line?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they probably wouldn't be on in September because it'll have something I football.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's an issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: My thing with foxes and this could sort of transition to another topic.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like, I just feel like it goes across all foxes when you're whether it's baseball, postseason, whether it's the NFL and the college football.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything's always loud.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's always at a ten.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm just sitting there and there's so many times I'm just sitting there and I just want to bet can you just calm the fuck down?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it to early in the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's relax, let the game build, no, but they got it like they want every game to be the biggest game in the world and the diehard sports fans know that's at the case, which leads me to Gus.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here you're going.
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's what I can't believe about all this, because I wrote a column after that ridiculous
[SPEAKER_04]: I, Richard, I can't tell you, it was one of the most stunning revelations I've had working in sports media in the last few years.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like 98% of the people ripping him to shreds to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: People in the business even, and, and, and two percent saying, leave Gus alone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gus is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: We love Gus.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're an asshole.
[SPEAKER_04]: F.U.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gus Gus Gus.
[SPEAKER_04]: And 98% like he ruins the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was stunned.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so a couple things is sort of a larger thing here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you a thousand percent on Fox just always having to be loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to put my, my, my, my late mother makes your rest in peace her hat on as it's as a psychologist.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They love the whole where I con a class where rebels.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like they still buy into it's 1995 and we're taking on these establishments.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's part of their ethos just like let's be ballsy and and bold and and do that stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where the loud stuff comes in it and they still do that today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Secondly, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: I like us generally speaking that was indefensible.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was too much like I had to like many people turn my volume down because it was becoming a distraction.
[SPEAKER_02]: to the viewer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love his enthusiasm, but I do think there are times you've got to dial it back a little bit, and and that was one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then lastly, and this is surprising to me, because I've written about Gus a ton of times as you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost always, it's all positive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the one thing that I, you know, that was always clear when I wrote about Gus, particularly like in the 2010s was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: We love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be back on the March madness.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the best broadcast around there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the only one that understands like us as passionate fans.
[SPEAKER_02]: So something may have flipped.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe people are just at the point where it's like it's too much at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if you know, if you really, if you watch your game,
[SPEAKER_04]: closely like that he does start to finish.
[SPEAKER_04]: He also gets a lot of stuff wrong now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know that he's been criticized for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's going to have to own that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I, I always defend broadcasts on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, listen, if you're going to call a game, if you're going to call a game, if you're going wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: But bad stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I also think, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: College football fans, you wouldn't agree in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to get bus gusts up past here, but you wouldn't agree that college football fans are pretty tough creators, though compared to other sports.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I would say.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always think soccer fans and college football fans.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, do you remember how you they used to learn Lunkwist would get like one jersey number wrong and PN did?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Twitter feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I view it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't know, I mean, Fox has good college people in half, you know, I think Benetti does a great job.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like Adam Amine on the NFL.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the poor guys like as he's like, he's like, there's always been a pretty good college football guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's lost the step if you listen close on 10 to you down on the down on him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, I mean, we might not be getting guests from Fox anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I can give you 20 Fox people I like.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love bar card.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love I think Adam Amine is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had also non-recently.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just said Jason, but any does a great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who else do they have doing college football?
[SPEAKER_04]: So the terms of go play by playing analysts.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brock, you were just good.
[SPEAKER_04]: No issue there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, we didn't mention you like Joe Clatter now.
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't dislike him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel, I like his passion sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes he's a little much on, but yeah, by and large, I think he's a legit number one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think, you know, I wouldn't have they'd ever put like an atom of a mean and that's bad because he's not going to be like a top and a fel guy because he's probably talked about this either on your podcast or mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're a yes, Pianne, how could you have let
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, we'll get better jobs, we'll get it in the license.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you can't do that, though.
[SPEAKER_04]: These are these are, they have 5,000 college football announces.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they can do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are guys who could be number one for your package.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys don't come along often or win in no comment.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to be number one if they have fouler and McDonald and Joe Tess and Dave Pashon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think fouler and McDonald are in their 60s, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't be there forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I got, unless you're here, be more.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just trying to think the number, well, I listen to this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and they have so many guys there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could see where a play by play or a dance I just want to get out of there and try to shine on somewhere else because I mean, you know, I am sure Adam and me got a gigantic race.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also got a pretty good deal with Fock to get to Lubin Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I get, I'm just saying that like, I don't know, like if,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the equivalent would be, but I was gonna say like, you know, losing like young, under 40 premier talent for a sports broadcast entity is usually not a great thing to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, yeah, McDonald is incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think followers are a good broadcaster, so it's not, you're right, it's not like they don't have patches great, it's not like they don't have, well, yeah, I know what you say.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just happen to think Benetti and Amine are really,
[SPEAKER_02]: a really at an elite level.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why if Fox, if Fox ever wanted, I'm not saying this year, I'm saying it whenever it happens down the road.
[SPEAKER_04]: If they if they parted ways with God's or Gus wants to retire whatever you think they would just move Joe Davis there since he's never going to like they're not going to move Burkhard out of the top of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Davis considered their number to CFB maybe, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, he would be, no, no, he's a number two and I felt right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two and I felt what, yeah, but no, no, yeah, I'm sorry, I blanked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, Jode, I don't think, I don't think, but let me think about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're Joe Davis and you have the world series, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it better to be the number two on the NFL or number one on CFB in addition to that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be number two on NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say number two on that because he is wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to do the college football championship.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: If Fox had the playoff, it'd be different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in that sense,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, without, obviously having reported it, I'm going to predict that, a meaner, but any get that job, all right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I, I, when Gus leaves a good prediction, yeah, let's move on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I don't know about you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, you know, I had plans yesterday.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they got thwarted because it took me four hours to read the Netflix press release on all the people that they fired.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, like, okay, I get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like, do we need all of those people?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's unbelievable the second year in a row.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll just read it just for shits and giggles because I find that it means, all right, good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Desk host K Adams, Desk analysts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be back in 10.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, David McCordy, Mike Lervitt.
[SPEAKER_04]: I an Eagle Matt Ryanney, Borleson, Melody Collins, Sarah Walsh, Burke, Critech, your Thompson, or Scott Hanson, Kyle Long, Gene Starrator.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we're not done.
[SPEAKER_04]: James Reddall, Brandon Marshall, my title.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell you, I know it equal Drew Breeze AJ Ross, Diana Rucini, Seth Rollins.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's just two games, guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Woo.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of agents make it some money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it all these people just want to be in Netflix so when they get a package, they get a job.
[SPEAKER_04]: Looks too full on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, Netflix, you'd want to be with Netflix, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if Google offered you a job to be their sports media podcast host, you mean you'd take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, that's part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the talent agencies and certainly on our talent know that if you can get in with Netflix, still relatively early in their sports journey, who knows where that could lead to.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to pay big money eventually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I mean, they probably paid pretty good money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know for like the on air talent, but it's a smart career investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, here's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Netflix does a lot of these like one off kind of, you know, that's their whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want to event this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm making this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if Netflix somehow got the right to the, uh, flag, the NFL, all pro flag football championship, well, if you're in that system, right, you, there's a free gig for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: A one, a one off kind of gig.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're any of the people that you just mentioned, you absolutely want to be part of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said,
[SPEAKER_02]: how it's gonna play for viewers?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's a lot of people who've never worked together before right now working on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then secondly, beginning of the year, those games looked awesome, they don't look as great any prior.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's get into those games.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've just, this is the other part of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like Matt Ryan, just as an example, just using it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: May $300 million in this Plank career.
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't make them look like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's a bad Ryan's career.
[SPEAKER_04]: Erick from the contracts are approximately 303 million to 303 million to 306 million.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, the five year 1-in-a-jay contract extension and a five year 1-in-a-150 million that'll deal with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you just want to be your family on Christmas, but that's what I don't understand about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever, that's just me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, CBS has had some of the production, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: For they've helped.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were doing Netflix last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember I didn't do the production.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a connection there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, like, if you were...
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually John Lewis, this sports meeting one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be on a podcast tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Austin Carp and myself and John talking about some stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, like, but it's still Jimmy, like, if you, if you want to just think about it in terms of production, that that might be a 48 hour deal where they fly in the night before do the production meaning do the game and then they're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not something most heavy lifting and also the way I would look at it again if I was like a CAA or WME type.
[SPEAKER_02]: you're you're getting a chance to work in front of 25 to 30 million people right so Matt Ryan on this on the NFL today what's that a week three million three and a half million right that's eight x people paying attention to you so i think it's in that case it's not a it's not a bad gig also i'm sure Netflix will take care of you in terms of like you know nice nice flight great hotel stuff like that um but yeah when i saw that press release i left to
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a certain one.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much on it, talent, can you have?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I guess, you know, I mean, it's all going to be pre-game and half time.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where all those people will be.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the memories of last year's games were anyone stood out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember the games were terrible.
[SPEAKER_04]: The games on Netflix last year were unwatchable.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the only thing I remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're not like whoever was on their talent there like give us gave you any memories of this interesting right again because it's just too regular season games.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so let's go through this Well, let's do this in where we have next Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: So next week Fox has green bay at Detroit So that's still a very very good game.
[SPEAKER_04]: It should do a big number that won PM
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll do.
[SPEAKER_04]: They move.
[SPEAKER_04]: They move Thanksgiving from 1230 to one.
[SPEAKER_04]: One.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That.
[SPEAKER_02]: I predict that game sets the record for the most watch early Thanksgiving game ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it for a clock.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chiefs Dallas is going to be the most watched regular season NFL game of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would even with the Cowboys under 500.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree when I talk to the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should take
[SPEAKER_02]: They were throwing around the number 50 million.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you can get, you think you can get to that with the Cowboys not over 500.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the question.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's why I say this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll look this up.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was a Cowboy game on Monday night football last year where they were out of it and the other team was out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it got like 25 million like the people are going to watch the Cowboys no matter what and then if that's the case then maybe it'll come close to 50 The the Cowboys winning was huge for the NFL that that last they're they're they're beating the Raiders because what are they now like four and five they're not so far away from Maybe the last wild card so right they're in the hunt I just think I think with
[SPEAKER_04]: with the ratings now being all higher because of how Nielsen does it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's sort of the biggest factor in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chiefs can bring us on the chiefs and if she's there and they got camera shots of her, that they're going to show you're going to bring in the fringe fan again and that's too far away.
[SPEAKER_02]: The two biggest viewership players in the NFL are the chiefs in the cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the NFL did this intentionally.
[SPEAKER_02]: over 40 million easy the questions 50 that's really it and then poor Joe Barrow and the bankals a trucker's defense killed the night game because they have Cincinnati at Baltimore which should have been a great game I would have hoped right but now I think people will watch just because it's the NFL but that the second really appealed to you I guess tomorrow's back
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, no, but yeah, but they're out of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, and then thank Christmas games on Netflix, Dallas at Washington, Washington has killed the NFL this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are the different terms of ratings and numbers?
[SPEAKER_02]: They were a lot, they had a lot of prime time spots.
[SPEAKER_04]: It will still do a big number because it's Dallas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the both teams, but, you know, the Dallas loses a couple of these games.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then that game comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: That game really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then,
[SPEAKER_04]: they let the later game in for 30 is Detroit, Minnesota, which again, Detroit's fun to watch, but Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you need the Vikings to maybe be whatever they'd be six and seven, seven, six, but that game doesn't like throw me either.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but then that you got a huge one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Amazon, this is probably the best game I'll ever have because it's Christmas.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's Denver at K.C.
[SPEAKER_04]: They, the K.C.
[SPEAKER_04]: could be playing for a spot in the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_04]: That will be a huge, huge game and number for pride.
[SPEAKER_04]: That will be the all-time prime record.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Prime walked into the best game on Christmas day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the beginning of the year, you would have thought it was three of three.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Broncos have changed the equation for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a massive, massive game on prime.
[SPEAKER_02]: The interesting thing is to see a prime, you know, they always send their studio to the, to the site anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you wonder if maybe they do anything else special just given how big that game.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have Tony Gonzalez who played for both teams so that you'll get some feature with that and then Ryan Fitzpatrick will take a shirt off because it's Christmas.
[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be five degrees out because that's wacky TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is that game?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in KC because they just wait and done for the last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: A great atmosphere too, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I put this year guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where were we going to go?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to say, maybe Taylor's there too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got a lot going on in that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, Taylor.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why would Taylor be?
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell us whiffed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why would she be all right, right, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's KC.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chris was dying, right, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me wrap it up with this, just off the beaten path here a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, someone we both know who we both worked with at SI.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to say his name because I don't know if he wants a name mentioned, but he's still in the business.
[SPEAKER_04]: He texted me recently and said, he thinks podcasts will be done in three years.
[SPEAKER_04]: He said he, I mean, he said he did a speaking engagement sort of type of thing at a college, big college.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not one kid there listens to podcasts.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all about the video clips.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all about the one minute clip YouTube TikTok reels blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let me just ask like if you do they listen to the clip of any podcast or it's not the, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's me a video on reels Instagram or TikTok of from the podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But in terms of audio, Apple Spotify.
[SPEAKER_04]: those days could be numbered.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you agree at disagree?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not in that time frame.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now as we discuss on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not in that accelerated time frame.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the what are we at these days now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gen Z never talked about these says.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never can offer a close thing anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think obviously like the anything long form is like a massive uphill challenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: But.
[SPEAKER_02]: you're still dealing Jimmy in terms of like, if you look at, especially the top podcast, you're doing millions upon millions upon millions of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like cable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say even if you subscribe to that, like the falloff isn't going to be like that drastic over over three years, but I will say, I mean, I think this is like every single organization, you know, whether it's sports history, the athletic, SBJ or whatever, it is such a challenge to get people to invest
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, right, and we're talking about people like us, I often think that like long form writing will never go away, but you know how hard it is now to get people to read like a 2500 word piece compared to only your in our 20s if you're under, I don't know what 25 you're never going to read a long form piece every in your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't want to kill every 20 under 25 will be some.
[SPEAKER_02]: but it's, but the numbers are hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, you know, whether, I know if the athletic, I'm sure as I have this too, like that, you know, you can chart basically when how far people scroll down, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And like when the drop off this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a, there's a word count.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, once that you hit that word count, like the percentage drop off is massive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And man, it is not good news.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not good news for the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're confident podcast will be around for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, like a while for years, yes, 10 years, I don't know, to for us to predict what would happen in the world in 10 years would be insane, but yeah, I can't see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just become such a part of the daily diet of so many people between the ages of 25 to 60.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see how to drop off.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I don't know if 25 rules are listening to.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, 35 to 70 then or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as always, watch the, just watch the dollar figures.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch the advertising.
[SPEAKER_02]: That film, well, no, that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: But a massive amount of those people in their 20s and 30s are now just consuming them on YouTube, not Apple or Spotify.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing that I do know for sure will grow is that, and I don't do this, and I'm high of hurt myself on this, but it's sort of just, you know, you work with the place you work, but I think almost every podcast place is going to want you to be on video with your podcast, because there is a lot of listening, a lot of people have chosen YouTube as the forum of distribution to listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but that is still, if you let's, if you put 50 minutes and you're still listening to the podcast, you're just listening through YouTube, but then that gets into the monetization of it, right, because you can't monetize YouTube the way you can monetize the audio part of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't necessarily think that's true anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is true for the people who have under 50, 100,000 downloads per episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all we get you take on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to get you take on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have one class question for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say every time I have you one one I wrap it up, I always say to you, is there anything you would like to discuss before we wrap it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: So now the floor is yours to take over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you mentioned this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was excited to learn that you have your own,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think what you're referring to is that there was a post on the Bill Simmons Reddit board asking if anyone listens to my podcast and that they were a big fan of me and people on the Bill Simmons Reddit board were discussing me or fans of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you don't have a subreddit, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Check this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm positive, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should take this as a compliment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were guys who were like giving a recap of your podcast and very, very positive feedback.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is what happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I think I remember what happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: I said on this podcast that there were people discussing me on the Bill Simmons Reddit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've seen that, which was positive, which I didn't read it as fastening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's the devotion to the Bill Simmons podcast as amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So then,
[SPEAKER_04]: a listener who's extremely extremely nice emailed me and said, Oh, you should have your own Reddit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I created a Reddit for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very nice of him to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Totally awesome.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, but I didn't want to get involved because I feel like maybe I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: Eventually like you're just going to get destroyed on Reddit like on people on Reddit like I know like friends is like I would never and have never read Facebook or YouTube comments and I But I'll read Twitter and Instagram so I feel like I put Reddit in the Facebook YouTube category where people are just animals But I maybe I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I mean, I read Reddit like just for like I like I like read it I think it's actually a really interest but there are if you if there are think like put it this way like there are a couple times I had to just like
[SPEAKER_04]: Learn about like Canadian like tax stuff and like there was red seeds on it was amazing right so what happened was someone Someone again again someone we know Was on the bill Simmons message board sent it to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had no idea this was going on and I was terrified to look But everyone was nice so it was a pleasant it was a pleasant surprise But I agree with you in the sense that this is unfortunately this is the way of the internet like
[SPEAKER_02]: live long enough you become a villain in your own story right so i do agree that like eventually it always feels like someone turns on you unless you unless you get out before before by the way we didn't even talk about one of the biggest media stores there and i i know we got to go but not a good have you followed the uh
[SPEAKER_02]: the Olivia Nuzzi like story and sort of what went down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not into, I think find someone who loves you as much as political reporters love talking about political reporters.
[SPEAKER_02]: But even that went to me, I pay attention to because like,
[SPEAKER_04]: I have to admit, I have not, I saw, I know, obviously had the thing with RFK and I saw one headline about, then got hired by the entity fair, based committing the Cardinal Center journalism, and you still get the be hired again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, a lot of journalists are on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're taking on what journalism is.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is why you used to call it, you're trying to get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The rules are all over.
[SPEAKER_04]: But once the internet came, the rules were over, but the journalists suddenly listened to that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Johnny journalism.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, we still love calling you that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I, I, so one headline today about Keith Auburn border $15,000.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I, it's my fault, I don't, don't go down the board text.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, in fact, I apologize.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't go down the board text.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to lead to a good place.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, I'm a little, I'm being very honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should not have brought it up because once you start going down the board text, it will never end in your correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now we're going to go into the vortex.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's, it's, the only reason I would, I would go into the vortex is because I have also seen some headlines which blows me away of, of, Cheryl Hines, basically like, putting the fact that our husband had this thing with Olivia newsy saw.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's an intrigue just from the sheriff.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're sure of Hines, on truth serum, you got to know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it worth it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just also think, you know, I have this theory that.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you are,
[SPEAKER_04]: of a certain fame, and you make a certain amount of money, you lose your mind, and you don't know anything about living a normal real world life.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of literature, at a certain level of, of, of, of dollar figure that's, yeah, incredibly true.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I should ask you, let's go back to, one, I should have asked you this, I didn't can't even believe I didn't ask you this.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's actually the legitimate source of your topic.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not listen to it, because I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sitting there for three hours, watching the New York Giants.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you listen to breeze at all this week?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I missed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have, it was on my list and then I just was like, no, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because I was locked in with the sound with the audio on the Tampa Bay Buffalo game, which was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched that whole game.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I had a lot of sound on the Minnesota Chicago game, which was Joe Davis and Greg Olson.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the giants do not deserve to have audio on.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I never listened to breeds.
[SPEAKER_04]: the dex, you know, I didn't really see anything from the people who I respect in the business about nobody's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no one's into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, because I know this is in your neck of the world and my old home in New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's talk radio just so desperate where you got a knock-hams cataboo for going to a WWE show.
[SPEAKER_04]: was that all talk radio or I thought it was everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw the newspapers picked it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw Twitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I don't believe it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like, no, no, no, I'm saying I think everyone in New York is going crazy about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Have we lost our mind?
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy did a, the guy did a skit on a script, scripted entertainment show.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not changing his rear.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you want the guy to basically just like be a hermit, living his house for the rest of his life until we can play again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Players have lots.
[SPEAKER_04]: You didn't know this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all over.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're still trying to hear it here in Toronto, we're still trying to hold it on for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I probably see a minimum of, I would say,
[SPEAKER_04]: six to seven things a day where I just like what is going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the the past four days, literally, I probably sent to myself in the same, in refer to the United States.
[SPEAKER_04]: In the same, I'm not talking about politics.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking about like everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's about from like, oh, like, just everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything's out of control.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a sort of how I feel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're, we're in, we are in a world where
[SPEAKER_02]: Attention seems to be the most important currency that exists, and that is a very, very dangerous place to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: But only from one or two minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then you move on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if anyone had made it to the end of this, what does it know?
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is there still sale after this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Al Michael's before you sell after you.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a scoop.
[SPEAKER_04]: This can be like a two-hour podcast, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Poor Shelby.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Richard, appreciate you coming on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say happy Thanksgiving, but you're in Canada now, so I don't have to say that to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do celebrate American Thanksgiving, so you can say it to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy fake American Thanksgiving while you're happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: As we say here, happy Thursday.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'll be celebrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it easy, be well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Jimmy, you too.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, joining me now.
[SPEAKER_04]: As he does every week for our train of thoughts, segment from WFAN or radio in New York, and why TV and New York, my buddy, South La Cotta, South, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's going, you know, it's kind of close to the holiday we're getting close to Thanksgiving right like this is like the week where it's like a throw away week because it's next week that you why I'm very excited for Thanksgiving I'm looking because usually for us in our business.
[SPEAKER_03]: After Labor Day, it is pedal to the metal head down, grind it out until this week, no days off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, I've been working, you know, straight through, until a little bit of a break during Thanksgiving, which of course is one of the great holidays ever, so I'm looking forward to catching it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll start with, since Thanksgiving is all about food, I'm going to start with a food story and nothing about sports because I need it to get, I need to get you take on this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I go out to dinner, Saturday night with a group of friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a steak house.
[SPEAKER_04]: They call themselves a steak house.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of borderline, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's more about the atmosphere, that it's like a kind of a steak.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to get into it anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: The waitress comes over to read the specials.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, she says that they have one of the specials
[SPEAKER_04]: is a 40-ounce Porter house that comes with a baked potato.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, on the menu, on the regular menu, for sides, they have garlic mashed, they have fries, they don't have baked potato.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I kind of wanted a baked potato that night, I wasn't in the mood for fried, excuse me, with the fries.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when I hear her say that as a special, I say, oh, so if I get the New York shrimp, can I get a baked potato on this side?
[SPEAKER_04]: She says, no, it only comes with the special.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, oh, it's a shoe-ease and I'm like, I've seen it myself, like this makes zero sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you have the baked potato, like in I get the baked potato, just charge me, whatever, astronomical price you're going to charge me and let me, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: And my friend turns to me and he's like, you're always in a curb episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, like, first of all, everyone's always in a curb episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: They may not know it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, this one's not my fault.
[SPEAKER_04]: you tell me you have the baked potato, but I am not allowed to have the baked potato, only if I were to this special.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I know someone listening to this is gonna be like, you're an asshole, the way it works is they have as many baked potatoes to go with the 40 out, however many 40 ounce Porterhouse is they have, because it's part of this special.
[SPEAKER_04]: My thing for that is I ordered 20 extra, and give me a baked potato.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see how I'm at a line thinking this is absurd.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then my, so,
[SPEAKER_04]: My friend is wife get the 40 ounce port of house with the baked potato and they give you they give you the plate and there's a baked potato on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I don't understand why I couldn't get the baked potato wasn't even part of with the port hours on its own plate.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stand along by itself, baked potato and my friends are here taking take it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not taking it, but like it's the I can't deal with the lack of common sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you love water?
[SPEAKER_04]: a stake and I got the fries because I couldn't get the baked potato.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're initial when you were laying an out to me, I'm like, well, why wouldn't you just be able to get a baked baked potato should be the easiest thing to make?
[SPEAKER_04]: It only comes with the special they told me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But okay, but that's now you laid it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never even thought of the counter that somebody could bring up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's only meant to be with this quarterhouse, so they only had X amount of baked potatoes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you start now giving out baked potatoes, people like you,
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't be serving it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other side wall agree with you is though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you have that as a side special just make it as a side special the orderhouse right you either have special sides or not you shouldn't have a special combo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then trying to come up with a special that's a special side big potato.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can see for was like a loaded big potato.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we don't make that normally because not a special because here's what happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: They ripped them all they rip you off for the state the port the 40 ounce port houses like 250 dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the rest is terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: right before a 40 ounce porthouse that's shareable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's multiple people.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're thinking is all right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The prices ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll give you a big potato.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a sort of like, you know, but but even even that makes no sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you when I went out to eat, just you when I know what he owns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were to split that special.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's only one big potato.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: The only one making chair in the state.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it should come within two big potatoes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's a big baked potato, you know, but still to me, if you have something on the menu, you can't tell a customer.
[SPEAKER_04]: They can't have it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I could see if it's like mixed in with something and it's in that they literally wrote a plate with a baked potato to the table gave it to my friend as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't get one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did I tell you I don't know if I talked about this with you or not on this podcast about when I went out a few weeks ago the appetizer issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but I cannot wait to hear it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go out to a restaurant a nice restaurant Saturday night.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have the, like, half the apps on the appetizers.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you have, I forget what the exact ones were like, oh yeah, this looks good.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll try the nokey, whatever the fucking one.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll try the nokey.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm sorry, we don't have that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, how about the, the, golem, how you get the fried golem?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me check, comes back, don't don't have that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was to a point where some of the people were with, go to the waiter, why don't you just do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you tell us what you do have and then from there we'll select the apps?
[SPEAKER_04]: Were they out or like, were they sold out or they didn't have it in stock?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what's that about?
[SPEAKER_03]: What would be the difference there?
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that they were sold out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I was actually stunned by the answer to when she said no.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like common apps too.
[SPEAKER_04]: The differences if they are sold out, I would hope they would use it as a lesson to buy extra next time they get it the way either way to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's unacceptable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you think you're a restaurant on a Saturday night?
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have to ask.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, alright.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want me to answer for some example exactly how many were they out of.
[SPEAKER_04]: You gave me two, were they out of more than two, more than two.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say at least, I told you it got to, it's been a couple of weeks so I forget, but it got to a point where one of the people with said to the waitress, like, why don't you just tell us what you do have instead of us guessing and keeping it, getting this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry, we're out of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, we're out of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't even like the special, you know, the big potato of the apps.
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't even get that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, it's a problem because if you're in a nice restaurant, you do in the prep work, you check in the menu when you're home and they have the noon, you're getting an idea of what
[SPEAKER_03]: You finally make the decision to come up on what you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: You weed out all of the fluff Here I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm now in the mood for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: You say it and she says oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay All right We'll get to some sports stuff maybe later.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you watch the Eddie Murphy doc on Netflix yet?
[SPEAKER_03]: Only the first half of it What I know I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, now it is unacceptable.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where it's in the apps and worse than the big potato
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to blame my wife because this was Saturday night, we had a chance and I'm like, all right, do you want to just watch what's finished the Eddie Murphy dog or start this new show with a one with a carry, what the hell is there any Claire on to watch?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Claire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we chose that and then we couldn't stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: We binge it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But why didn't you finish Eddie Murphy when you watched it the first time?
[SPEAKER_03]: I fall asleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was last week.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a late thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I should kick.
[SPEAKER_04]: I should end this right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: How good was it?
[SPEAKER_03]: You fell asleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have had a ridiculously busy for whatever reason last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went to we went to Rome on the night.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was it thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was planning on watching it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just haven't had the time to do it over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_04]: Should not have started it bed.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got to plan better.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't start it if you think there's a chance you could fall asleep.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I forgot trolley Murphy passed away.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, did you get, I remember, did you get to all the SNL stuff?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not even.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God, that's the best part of the, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you love it?
[SPEAKER_03]: How would you grade it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Loved it, must watch if you're, I mean, listen, I'm an Eddie Murphy nut.
[SPEAKER_04]: I consider delirious to be the greatest thing ever, the funniest thing that's ever been made.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I, you know, there's a part of me that hates that he has never done stand up since raw this part of me that likes sort of the, um, you know, the war around him because he's never done another stand up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not into the movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously the struggles with the movies in the later years, but I might think with Eddie Murphy's he's just so anything he says makes me laugh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched what I did watch the first 20 minutes of it or so, I watched it with a smile.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to watch it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I've always heard the story that I've always heard the story.
[SPEAKER_04]: On one of the SNL's David Spade made a joke about Eddie Murphy, when they put his picture on camera and David Spade says, look, guys, a falling star.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why Eddie Murphy never went back.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it was a big deal when he went back.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we've never heard from Eddie Murphy about all that until this dock.
[SPEAKER_04]: So and that's in the second half, and that stuff is I, you will find it fascinating that that's going to help stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching tonight.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No more.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care what my wife wants.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: What else?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, YouTube TV is back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: You, I feel like you barely felt any, like you were, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was like a slap on the, not even.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I will say it came back in time, not that you care about this, and I really don't either, but we had a UFC fighter, Bow Nichol, on our radio shows, so I got to know him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was joking around about like, oh, you know, you can win this fight, you're coming off the law.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's like, I'd hammer it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he was encouraging everybody to bet on him, so I wanted to watch that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It happened to be on one of the ESPN channels where I had access to watching it.
[SPEAKER_04]: did he win?
[SPEAKER_03]: He did.
[SPEAKER_03]: He kicked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not knock.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can I give you a little fun fact?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have never watched a UFC fight in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you when I have been out at main event when this was many years ago when it was first starting to become a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were in the crowd of like people get nuts about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like we've done that before, but I'm not
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but this is a nice guy that's bone-nacle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you because I know you have to watch jets and giants for your job a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: The giants played the packer someday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you get a chance to hear Drew Breeze and did you have any impressions of Drew Breeze?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't like his energy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he was bad, and it's just first game.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's done other stuff before, but I would like a little more, look, Greg Olson is the best that there is right now to me period.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you want throwing joy, I can ensure I'm talking about as far as the Fox goes certainly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even CBS, I think Olson is as good as anybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a perfect balance of energy, excitement, and knowledge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there are too many guys who are just flatline energy, which doesn't make any sense to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're doing a football game, show a little more.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to be Romo or over the top, but I need some excitement level.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it was getting from jewelry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's doing the giant.
[SPEAKER_04]: As excited as the poor guys was to be, would you think, I didn't hear what I didn't didn't have the sound on for one second because I thought you'd get the Giants.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you get the over?
[SPEAKER_04]: I bet the over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you didn't have the sound on at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, not for one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had the sound.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was going the sound was going between the box and the bills and the bears and Vikings.
[SPEAKER_04]: Those I didn't have to say, I did not one second did the sound go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me say that I don't think he was bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think that he needs to turn it up a little bit with the excitement level and then I think he'd be very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so we're going to do we'll do this next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we don't think enough to Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wrote a column, I want to get your take on this, what you think.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wrote a column in the day saying, like, I actually think it's good for the NFL in a way that the chiefs are 500, because now I feel like their games are almost a much swatch every week, because people want to see them not in the playoffs, because people hate, you know, the top dog that's how it works.
[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that they are not in the playoffs right now?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, they play the cults this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to do a massive rating, I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, you know, they're on Christmas day.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've got games all over the place.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's actually good for the NFL at their 500.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, do you have more interest in watching the chief now because they're not 10 and 2 or whatever it is after how many weeks?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've said the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the most fascinating storyline.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's going to be watching them succeed or fail, whichever way you're rooting.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are now in must watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas, let's say they're nine and two at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody would fewer people would care because we know it's a foregone conclusion, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way that it shapes up for the landscape of the FC playoffs where the Ravens, the chiefs, those teams get in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now they're going to be potentially favorites going on the road to take on the top seeds and the Broncos of the Patriots.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the drama and the storyline the way that it set up right now in the AFC with the Chiefs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're going to beat the Colts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think they get in, but yes, watching them, the remainder of the year is going to be great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, I like, I feel like, see, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like every single person who is an NFL fan thinks they're getting in.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it would be stuck like,
[SPEAKER_04]: It would be so stunning if they did not get in.
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is if they lose this week, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Hard to justify sex losses.
[SPEAKER_03]: at week 12.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I still probably, I think first of all, I think they're winning.
[SPEAKER_03]: But even if they did lose, I still think there's a chance they get in the postseason.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the schedule is not difficult.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they play at the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they should beat the Cowboys.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know that.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's Chief's Cowboys.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the 430 game on things.
[SPEAKER_03]: That may be one of the best because of this circumstance to your point, one of the best four clock things giving games we've had in a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's going to be the highest rated regular season game of all time.
[SPEAKER_03]: but that it that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a major, usually it's just like a cowboy's command or whatever crappy cowboy's giants like we've had that in recent years.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a huge, that's a huge game for the NFL with the Jews.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then they play the Texans the week after on Sunday night football.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in Kansas City.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's winnable.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then they play at home against the chargers the week after.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then they play the Titans who stink.
[SPEAKER_04]: then they play Denver at home on Christmas night.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they wrap up the season with the rate or so they'll beat.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like their schedule is not difficult.
[SPEAKER_04]: But again, you could have said, like the fact that they're five and five is amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Their season could come down to, listen, they ought to beat the cults this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanksgiving, the Cowboys, it would be, I mean, if the Cowboys would beat them, forget it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Christmas night, December 25th on Amazon Prime, Chiefs Broncos, that it's in Kansas City.
[SPEAKER_04]: That'll probably determine it because even if they need to beat the Raiders in the final week of the season, they'll destroy them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think even if you hate the chiefs and I don't not at this point, even if you hate them, you have to roof for them to win this week, because we want that Christmas day night game.
[SPEAKER_03]: Want that to mean something, and there's a chance if they lose two in a row, that game's not going to mean anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a, even for me, I talk about, I don't want to mess with football and Christmas, when you're alone, that's a must watch game chief Bronco.
[SPEAKER_04]: 100% you're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You need the chiefs to beat the cults this week beat the Cowboys on on Thanksgiving because then you want what you want is December 25 that a 20 on Amazon Prime You need the chief to be in a win-and-end For the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you want to get the tree on the lights the presence are open Maybe a little drink that's a perfect setting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Way for on a sleep or maybe you leave her at the in-laws
[SPEAKER_04]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's a very, very, very well.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's, leave the wife at the in-laws.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, are you with your in-laws on Christmas day?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, while we, we, you know, unfortunately our circumstances change here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not sure what we're going to be doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know we'll be at my parents or my mother's house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Christmas Eve, our house Christmas day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if we're going to see that side of the family.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you just want to get the Broncos cheese.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I am sure of.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching Broncos cheese.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that game needs nothing?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, the only other thing I wanted to mention is,
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you see, I saw it, I think, over the weekend on, I don't know where, but I saw it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there is a video that's old.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me see, I'm going to try to get the year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it says 15 years old, so that would be 2010.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is a video of our beloved Jason Alexander from Seinfeld.
[SPEAKER_04]: Billy Joel's River of Dreams.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did this come across any of your feeds?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will send it to you if you're listening to the pod.
[SPEAKER_04]: Google, a not Google, YouTube.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jason Alexander River of Dreams.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't even discuss it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so just rattled from it.
[SPEAKER_04]: What did you see it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Over the weekend I saw it scrolling through the freaking reels or TikTok one of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't I can't keep track of which is good or I just need to see it it's it's like you just have to see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: You just have to see it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Something else I did a bad job.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not get to the John candy doc.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, fortune.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to watch that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stiller and dollars.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't got to get to that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Eddie Murphy was the only one I was able to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, football comes up on the weekend.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I went out, like I said, that one night.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was a good slate.
[SPEAKER_03]: The one clock games, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: The four clock games were very strong.
[SPEAKER_03]: Three of the four were great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the opposite of last week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was a little bummed to see hooks didn't play better.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I was, I was really getting on their bandwagon and believing in them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they really didn't put up much of a fight.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that that bummed me out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see this week is let's see this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that we had four games of four last week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you get one to, if you get for this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_04]: But in that really, because the first, and not really, I mean, Brown's Raiders, I, you're gonna watch one second of that game.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're door starting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw enough less like, Jack.
[SPEAKER_03]: This Jack is mild interest there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jaguar is it cardinals?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you have Eagles Cowboys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Falcon Saints.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's really no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're Falcons.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Falcons are three.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: They got the three and seven Falcons against the two and eight Saints.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a pro.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Eagles Cowboys and should door.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That.
[SPEAKER_04]: That would be the way to do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would do Eagles.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will have Eagles Cowboys in the big TV.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll do should or on the second TV and Jaguar's kernels.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll put on the screen.
[SPEAKER_04]: I won't even put Falcon Saints on the screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can go with the full game grade.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even want to have the cardinals for the Falcon Saints game on my screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the only questions do I do a two split box or do I go just only Cowboys Eagles?
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's a good Sunday night game with the box and Rams and the decent Monday night game with the Panthers and Iner.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how are the one o'clock's here?
[SPEAKER_03]: C-Ox Titans?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unipackers Vikings.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's called is a, that's like a lock-in stand-alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would do steal his bears as well this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, but no Rogers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's why you got to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: See if, you know, because the steal is Vikings.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, what's the Vikings record?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're toast, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Four and six.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'll steal his lose this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to be six and five.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're going to be in a little bit of trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he definitely not playing?
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say it like a fracture in his wrist or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it says left wrist.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we'll still get a play with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I saw Mason Rudolph, but I'm not 100% sure it don't hold me on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I saw something like, see, this is the problem with how people get news these days.
[SPEAKER_04]: You scroll, you read a tweet, and then, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right now, you don't, you don't, it doesn't sink in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think twice about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I see it, and I'm like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had that happen with the, did you see that Mariners, the fake quote from the Mariners GM, Jerry DePoto on, y'all, but I don't know what to do with this story either.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't hear this?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it was a quote circulating around there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jerry depoto, the current general manager of the Mariners like, this was a couple of weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we wish Josh Nella, well, he was great for us, but we have no interest.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they signed them for five years, 90 million, I'm like, well, I guess the photo was playing possum or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I was told that I was told that that was an AI thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been had by AI, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I did it every week.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I might, it's a funny, I'll wrap it with this.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, when they get you with that freaking algorithm, I can't get enough of that Mr. Rogers AI videos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen these?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, he's just so fake videos with him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there's a lot of Aaron Rogers as a WWE, Aaron Rogers, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Rogers as a WWE guy turning heel, joining the NWO, joining DX.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a video of Mr. Rogers and two-pock doing cocaine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like, no, not doing cocaine.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, he did cocaine with Whitney Houston.
[SPEAKER_04]: The video with two-pock, he's rolling a joint.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't get enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now in my feed, it's just constant.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is TikTok or no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Reels and TikTok.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the distinction between the reals on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like lost with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that means, reals.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll break it down for you this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's TikTok, which do you have in account?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can watch videos.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't watch anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally just created an account.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, so here's the deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the difference.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I get pissed because my best friend does not have an account, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you don't have an account, you cannot watch TikTok videos.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I said you, oh, watch this TikTok video, you can watch it, even though you've never posted, because you have an account.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you don't start an account, you cannot watch any TikTok videos.
[SPEAKER_04]: Reels you don't need an account.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can watch the videos.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is real is that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Reels, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here's what happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: So on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: They saw that TikTok was getting big.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they said, oh, we got to copy them.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we can get some of the pie.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it reels is TikTok.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's on Instagram and it's Instagram's version.
[SPEAKER_04]: They just copied.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that comes off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I just think that it just comes up in my feed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I can actually go to Reels in the Instagram app.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can go out.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you go to Reels in the Instagram app.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK. You hit the button here with the play.
[SPEAKER_04]: You hit that, and then you can go to your reels or friends, you tap reels and then you can, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, but I will send you the Mr. Rock.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I like that you have TikTok as if I send the tip, but that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: My algorithm is that I do like during the day, I probably spend the breakdown of scrolling would be 75% TikTok, 25% reels.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if I watch this Mr. Robert, Mr. Rogers cocaine thing, is that going to mess up my algorithm of No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even going to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: They let's just, let's just quiver ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you watch one video and that it comes up 100 different than I'm seeing women in overalls with, you know, in a bra cotton trees down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, what is going on here?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not going to look the other way.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have that come up at all?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, not a woman in overalls cutting, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, my feed is like, my algorithm is curb videos.
[SPEAKER_04]: All food, everything food, long island, old school wrestling and music.
[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely get the old school wrestling.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a lot of music, a lot of concert stuff, I like that, no sports.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we will see you next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Finish your interview doc.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally and I'll watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, my many, many thanks to Al Michael's Richard Dietch, Salacata, and you for listening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we will see you next week for Thanksgiving episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a big one and that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stay safe and take care.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see you next week.