[SPEAKER_04]: The last two girls I had sex with before I went to jail.
[SPEAKER_04]: One was 13 and one was 15.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, big boobs and white hips, but she was 13.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not care.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had sex with a 13-year-old girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible room, in the Bible
[SPEAKER_01]: But today, I'm covering something a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: A apologist for the Christian faith with a massive online platform just openly talked about the fact that he raped two underage girls on a livestream and I wanted to share
[SPEAKER_01]: that clip with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be honest, I sat down last night and tried to record something about this for about 30, 35 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And found myself just so frustrated because five years into doing a show talking about the laxadecical attitude that the church has toward sexual abuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not every church.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not every Christian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not every pastor.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I'm five years in to doing the show and there's no shortage of stories to talk about where there is flip and discussion of abuse of sexual abuse involving minors like I'll talk about in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I just don't know what else to say, like I sat here side by side with the clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else can I say?
[SPEAKER_01]: What commentary can I give to communicate how disgusting views like the ones expressed in this video are.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that there's an overwhelming amount of people who, you know, call themselves Christians, who will watch a clip like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their takeaway is, thank God for how he changes lives and look at this man's radical honesty.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I want to give some context for who I'm talking about and then I will play the clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: The recent clip came across my desk in the first place, as I'm subscribed to Christian Nightmares, which have a sub-stack.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Christian Nightmares.substack.com, they're well worth the follow, and they cover a lot of the bizarre things in American Christianity.
[SPEAKER_01]: They cover some things that are just silly or weird, but they also do a phenomenal job exposing things like real scandals and
[SPEAKER_01]: and the newsletter that they sent on November 13th was particularly gross.
[SPEAKER_01]: It featured this clip of David Wood and what he admits to on camera and the way he admits to it is absolutely seconding.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, who is David Wood?
[SPEAKER_01]: David Wood is a Apologist.
[SPEAKER_01]: He runs a YouTube channel called Apologix Roadshow.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got about 382,000 subs last time I checked, and has racked up a whopping 53 million views.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, not a small figure in the Apologix space whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you're not familiar with David, you are probably familiar with some of the people that he brush shoulders with in the Apologetics world.
[SPEAKER_01]: He co-founded Acts 17 Apologetics alongside the late Nebulae Cresci, who was a former Muslim turned Christian Apologist, and Nebulae Cresci is probably more well known for going on to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: closely with Ravi Zacharias and RZIM.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ravi Zacharias of course was no stranger to a lot of scandal and alleged sexual abuse and I've covered that in depth on this channel before I'll link to that in the show notes and put it somewhere around this video so you can check it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, Wood's YouTube channel, Projects Rocho, is massive, has over 308,000 subs, racked up 53 million views, he's not a fringe guy shutting into the void, he's a not insignificant voice within the apologetics world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's also no stranger to hanging out with other influencers in both the atheist space, the Muslim space, and the Christian space in March 28th of 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was hosted by the pastor and extremely popular YouTuber, Razlong KD, for his conference, The Bus God Summit, where he debated prominent atheist Alex O'Connor on whether Jesus claimed to be God.
[SPEAKER_04]: This debates one of many awesome debates taking place in 2025.
[SPEAKER_04]: hitting heroes against villains.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say who the villain is in this debate.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll let all you lovely Christians judge that for yourselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, someone with this much reach, you know, sharing what he's about to share is incredibly disturbing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the video in question comes at the end of a six hour livestream featuring wood and a youtuber called a prostate prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That stream has over 150,000 views and thousands of comments and most disturbingly with what you're trying to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: this stream that went out to a hundred and fifty thousand people who are followers of this apologetics ministry has six thousand five hundred eighty five likes and only three hundred eighty six dislikes so there's only a six percent dislike ratio on this content and I think when you watch this particular clip you're going to be quite perturbed by that fact the fact that
[SPEAKER_01]: a final nail in the coffin to his apologetics ministry.
[SPEAKER_01]: But go ahead and watch and let me know what you think.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the left side of this video is the apostate prophet, the youtuber, and then on the right is David Wood.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the glasses here, and this is what he said near the end of this live stream.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here, if your fans want to condemn me, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you want me to do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I even mentioned I would like to give Dawa guys some information.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, so before I went to prison, before I went, well, before I went to jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the reason David would went to jail is disturbing by itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was someone who grew up and he openly expresses that he lacked normal human empathy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He described himself as a sociopath.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he started viewing moral rules as brainwashing in his words.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he started breaking into places, he started stealing, and he decided he wanted to fully reject right and wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I decided to kill my dad, and I decided to do it in a brutal fashion, not a gunshot or anything I was going to do with a hammer.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I walked up to my dad, I got a hammer in my hand and hit him in the head seven or eight times with a ball being hammered until I thought he was dead and I just left.
[SPEAKER_01]: His father however, survived.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wood was diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder, and since his victim lived, he was convicted of malicious wounding and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
[SPEAKER_01]: In a tale as old as time, he had a prison, conversion, and became, quote-unquote, impressed with Jesus.
[SPEAKER_03]: I vowed down, and I prayed, and I said, God, I don't know if I'm going to believe in you tomorrow, but I believe in you right now, if you can do anything with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're welcome to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I ran through the sort of centers prayer that I'd heard there in the jail when I sat up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole world looked different and he says given the things I've done I should not be able to have this sort of life He was released a little over five years started college He married a former agnostic and he started a family and insists that there is a creator other people are important Jesus rose from the dead and that's a message that matters because it changes anything
[SPEAKER_01]: these are kind of stories these jail conversions just people eat them up without a second thought but here he's going to talk rather gleefully about one of his past crimes that he never did face any consequences for and uh is basically issuing this as a way of saying look whatever dirt you want to dig up on me here you go you want some dirt on me i'm uncancellable you know like
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty clear.
[SPEAKER_04]: If your fans want to condemn me, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you want me to do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I even mentioned I would like to give Dawa guys some information.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, so before I went to prison before before I went.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, before I went to jail.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was in jail and then I get out while it was out on bond before I went back to jail and then went to prison.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dawa guys, here's your stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's your stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: the last two girls I had sex with before I went to jail one dude so look at his friend here so again this is the youtuber apostate prophet as soon as David starts telling this story he goes dude
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's heard this story before, because it seems like, as you'll see for the end of the video, David loves telling this story, and so he goes, dude, as if to say, hey, maybe don't share this to 150,000 people, you know, trying to look out for his buddy here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I went to jail.
[SPEAKER_04]: One, dude.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: One was 13 and one was 15.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when Muhammad, it jobs like, oh, you know what if girl's 13?
[SPEAKER_04]: But she got wide hips.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was the case.
[SPEAKER_04]: She had big boobs and wide hips, but she was 13.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not care.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I didn't care back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now look at David in the face and tell me this is someone who has deeper, more shimmering rat for his past sin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me if that's survive you're getting from him sharing this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: One food story.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: One was 13 and one was 15.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when Muhammad had jobs like, oh, you know, what if girl's 13, but she got wide hips?
[SPEAKER_04]: That was the case.
[SPEAKER_04]: He had big boobs and wide hips, but she was 13.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not care.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I didn't care back then.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here I am, because in the minds of the double guys, if you ever did anything, you can never condemn it because you did it once.
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, a lot of his apologeks are centered on Islam, and so his whole point in sharing this story, allegedly, is that he can condemn child marriage within some sex of fundamentalist Islam.
[SPEAKER_01]: because he himself has had sex with a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is literally the argumentation here that David is about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can never take the opposite side, so it's sex with a 13-year-old girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening to this on the audio version, his friend apostate prophet just picked up a whip made out of ropes and is dangly around as if too laugh and say, shame on you, buddy, shame on you, making very light of again, what is a very serious confession of a crime that's never been prosecuted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, she flung herself at me.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, oh, I guess I can defend it.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't defend it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Shouldn't it, doesn't matter for 13-year-old girl.
[SPEAKER_04]: Flings herself at you.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter if she has big boobs and wide hips and so on.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't do that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: The 15-year-old girl, the 15-year-old?
[SPEAKER_04]: To be fair, she told me she was 17.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it wouldn't, I eventually knew she was 15.
[SPEAKER_04]: I still didn't care.
[SPEAKER_04]: That girl.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had anal sex with that girl.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what that would be in court?
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, his friend now is laughing and covering his face with this makeshift rope whip here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And smirky, and they're both laughing gleefully and kind of basically wink and smirk to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sharing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe you're talking about this on the air.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what that would be in court?
[SPEAKER_04]: You can very late.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that girl, do you know what that would be in court?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what that would be in court, guys?
[SPEAKER_04]: Say, I'm trying to let you know, dude, what do you, what do you scared of people finding out their truth who cares?
[SPEAKER_04]: If you wanna condemn me for it, condemn me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not all sorts of messed up stuff in my life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Guys, the point is that would be like, if it's a minor and you do something, it's a higher category, that would be considered like forceful Sodom or something like that because she's not able to consent.
[SPEAKER_06]: But, and it quickly point to us and explain to people that I was doing a criminal life before you became a Christian.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was my criminal life before I became a Christian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who gives a fuck when this was?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the stuff that is so disgusting to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I see this every single day when I'm creating content about these topics, when I'm, it's, well, was this before they were a Christian?
[SPEAKER_01]: There was that clip when the whole Josh Dougher thing happened and Todd Freel, the radio host, is going, all these things that Josh did, we can forgive because he did them before he was a Christian.
[SPEAKER_02]: What should be our attitude, our posture, as we respond to the second Dougher disaster?
[SPEAKER_02]: In a sense, I think it should be a little different than the first go around that we had with Josh.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a boy who did sinful things.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then says he made a profession of faith,
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he appeared to be walking in sanctification.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we jumped in and said, we defend him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just a conversion story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know his sin was maybe a little bit more extreme than some.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the gospel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Such were all...
[SPEAKER_02]: All of us, we were all sinners of all shapes, stripes, and sizes, and Josh was no difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we jumped in and we defended him and said, no, no, you're confused.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a hypocrite.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a Christian that happened before he got saved, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_02]: being a member of Ashley Madison for a couple of years, being addicted to pornography for we don't know yet how many years.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is now a different story because those sins happen after his profession of faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care when you rape somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if you pray to pray or in a jail cell afterward.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you committed a crime and again, even in Christian theology, I would think that some level of your repentance, which again, looking at the expression on his face, he hasn't done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He still takes great pleasure in talking about these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: There would be some level of of remorse, of deep regret, of sorrow about these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't be something
[SPEAKER_01]: to over 150,000 people going, I don't care, I don't care, let me share this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't care if this was before, after daring.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is something that should be accountability for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that his victims are watching this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that they now have the ammo they need to go press charges.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope he's in one of the states that doesn't have statual limitations laws against us.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I had to guess, he's probably well researched when the statual limitations was before he talked about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to guess, that's my opinion that he probably did that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I was bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a bad thing and I hear here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I condemn Islam for all this stuff But I did some of this stuff and I was messed up Sam.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you scared of people knowing things that you've done?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you so terrified because you're worried?
[SPEAKER_04]: They're gonna abandon you over it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Guess what?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do I look like I'm worried about people abandoning me over anything if you want to abandon me because of something?
[SPEAKER_04]: I did abandon me Go for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like other people are following the work.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like you're fricking sand Right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, haha
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're talking about the story like it's an amusing anecdote, or it's an embarrassing story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's talking about literally in his own words, forcible, saw to me, on a minor, he's talking about raping a 13-year-old girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, painting a visual picture of that 13-year-old girl's anatomy, saying explicitly he doesn't care about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a Christian Apologetics YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a 6% dislike ratio on this, and I'll get to the comments in a second, but this is, this is fucking gross.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hey, hey.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, AP brought up, AP brought up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, that was clarified that that was before you were a Christian.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was indeed before I was a Christian.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back then, as far as I can tell, I was one of the most evil people you've ever met in your life.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you should be glad that you didn't meet me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not care.
[SPEAKER_04]: about anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, a second ago, you said you still don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't care about sharing the story at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't care about people knowing about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no shame at all still.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's really changed?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not actively raping minors anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you, David.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, except myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: remind you someone Sam.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remind you of someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's, let's fast forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are his followers going to disavow any of this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you already know this if you listen to the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're already aware with how this is responded to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let me go ahead and pull up a couple of the comments on this video and just give you a taste of what people are actually saying about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I wanna remind you, 6.5,000 likes on this video.
[SPEAKER_00]: a couple hundred dislikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: One person says ex-Muslim testimony says, every time someone reminds us about the past of David Wood, it reminds us about the changing power of the Holy Spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: More than the story, David Wood was evil before Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus changed his life and made him a much better person.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can call David Wood a lot of things, but you can't call him dishonest.
[SPEAKER_00]: All this stream told me is how much we need the Lord Jesus Christ man.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are wretched sinners.
[SPEAKER_01]: When David started confessing, I was scared he was going to say secretly supports
[SPEAKER_01]: Many people did not understand it, but I respect you for coming clean David.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unrelated to Sam, but I want to thank you David.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you exposed your own sins and said what you said about them, they strongly convict me to do the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just now I confessed to someone close to me about sexual sins I've been hiding for months and I had no intention of confessing prior to watching this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even entertain the thought, but now I have a huge weight off my shoulders and my sin no longer hides in the darkness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, David Wood was an unrepentant psychopath before going to jail, and now he's a repentant psycho trying to live his best for Christ?
[SPEAKER_01]: I respect Dr. David Wood now more than ever before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth remembering for anyone who can't stomach David's action in sins, Paul was a murder and is a saint in both Catholic and Orthodox churches and is foundational to Christianity.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to judge David for his past before he became a Christian, that's like judging Paul for being a murder before he came to Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: The David makes himself unblocked, maelable stream.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not cherry picking comments here.
[SPEAKER_01]: For every comment that's praising David, there's like one little negative comment, slipped in or unrelated.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't even say negative comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, unrelated comment, sprinkle in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll show a screen recording here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just sorting it from best to worst comments and just reading all the praise like this is a good chunk of the comments right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just glance it over.
[SPEAKER_01]: The most powerful live stream David would has ever made.
[SPEAKER_01]: This will resonate
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I'm jealous of Dr. David Wood's brutal honesty and courage should admit his darkest sins in the open.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm jealous of the feeling of relief you must be experiencing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all sinners.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all deserving of condemnation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're all hugely imperfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: The truth shall set you free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's one of those things like when I put this video together, it's like, what do you say?
[SPEAKER_01]: How can I communicate to people watching?
[SPEAKER_01]: How disgusting this is?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're someone that follows David Wood, if you're someone that is listening and watching the body language of a David Wood, recounting this story briefly while his friend covers his face marking in the corner like they're in junior high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you have to say for yourself?
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, usually on the show, at least there's some level of guilt where you have to lift up the rug and go, hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: This thing happened and you're trying to cover it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not often I get to cover someone who's cleafly bragging about their past.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, yeah, yeah, I shouldn't have done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't have done it, but I don't care if you know about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna describe it to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I don't know what else to say about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've tried to record this a billion times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sat down last night over and over again, trying to record it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what commentary to give you to communicate that this is evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that the way that Christians respond to stories like this and the way that they will sit there and listen to and go, this is a miraculous story is gross.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's that's it for today's episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's what I want to share.
[SPEAKER_01]: I again, I sat there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked to my wife about this last night for probably much longer than she cared to have me talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to record this for much longer than I wish I would have tried to record it.
[SPEAKER_01]: this is gross people need to see it and honestly if you're still supporting David Woods channel if you're still getting your apologetics lessons and do you think that's so awesome after this like I don't know what to tell you I like are you okay anyway I don't know that's the end of the episode um i'll see you guys on a future episode of the previous podcast thanks for watching