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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this episode is seductive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in my delivery, I kind of went
[SPEAKER_01]: towards ASMR issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an amazing episode today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say it everybody though that it does deal with death and die.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if those topics make anyone uncomfortable, maybe you want to skip this one and join us next time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a very good episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Carmen, thanks to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, I can't wait to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Garrett called this this episode the Patreon version seductive have you played like romantic your character actor?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right, but have you one of you play.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you played romantic leads in your career like
[SPEAKER_02]: I did on Broadway when I was much younger and that was a comic romantic lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think after that, of course there was the romance between Quark and Otis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but of course we can't forget that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armand outside of Star Trek in your other acting jobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you had, have you filmed any scenes or done any scenes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Love scenes?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've done so that they love scenes?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any intimate scenes?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: But stage or in front of the camera?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've never had to kiss any other actor ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never had to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I want to write.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I want to see you do a romantic lead or romantic lead scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have a romantic lead every day of my life with my wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've always been such a proponent for a romantic romance for being a romantic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've always known that about you and your relationship with Kitty.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like it would be wonderful to see that on screen or on
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, even in the play that we just closed, we had several scenes together, but none of them romantic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I want to see you do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he would knock it out of the park, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your support.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be terrified.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does that have never done it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the stuff that we've never done before that we're terrified of.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'd love to see you and Kitty do on Golden Pond?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would love to see you guys do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to produce it just so I can see Armin and Kitty do romantic play together.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the state that you live in is a huge proponent of the arts.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are lots of theaters all over.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you just have to talk to what are those producers?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get it done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see you and Kitty play romance and say, like that was a go-to thing for me in a lot of roles was like the romantic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that we as humans, because we're actors,
[SPEAKER_00]: We sort of develop personalities around where we get cast or is it the other way around?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I do think that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think we develop personalities around where we get cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look at me, I just said I would be terrified of doing a romantic scene that that's simply because I know I've never been cast that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So where do you come comment come from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, we've got some birthdays to talk about this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roxanne Ray has a birthday on November 17th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday Roxanne.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday Roxanne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Roxanne.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did play a romantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just the type of romantic scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was Serenade Burjurac because he mentioned Roxanne.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rocks and Rocks and the name along my veins thrills or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it that was very romantic It just the lesson responded to that song.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he was excluded from the romance.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have On November 18th Mark Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's his birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's your birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Mark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark, on the 18th is your birthday, congratulations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark, happy birthday, buddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've also got Sarah on November 18th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: November 20th is a wonderful, wonderful day, because it is the day that Normandy came to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Normandy.
[SPEAKER_00]: happy birthday Normandy happy birthday Normandy have a great day all right we've got another birthday on November 22nd it is Andrew canos birthday happy birthday Andrew happy birthday Andrew happy birthday Andrew happy birthday Andrew and last but not least on November 23rd it is Chris Garrison's birthday happy birthday my friend Chris
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do a little bit of poetry starting off at the limit, all right, here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: When the heart and prophet have to spar, quirk will learn what his true assets are.
[SPEAKER_00]: He learns what he's worth, a baby finds a new birth, and loves certainly is the best prophet by far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you get my plan worth in birth?
[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would at first I was thinking birth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to find the rhymes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, birth, like, like B. I RTH.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then then I thought, Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new birth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new place to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a double RTH.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see you've taken over my place is the etymologist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a fun one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm proud of this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: My high coup for body parts cork has six days left Kira to birth kko's boy Brunt confiscates all
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only was that a high coup, it was a song like it was, it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was a song like it was
[SPEAKER_02]: or from the other possible background for body and old English is botan.
[SPEAKER_02]: B-O-T-A-A-H, and B-O-Tah originally comes from high-old German, as first found in the English language in 8-8-90, not 1890, but 8-90, so the definition is the physical or material frame of a man or an animal, the whole material organism viewed as an organic entity, so that's the definition for body.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next word of course is part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Part is in old English was PARS, PARS, or PARTIM.
[SPEAKER_02]: The plural, strangely enough, in middle English was in parts, but still PARS, PARS.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that word was first found in the English language in 1050 and the definition is that which together with another makes up a whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the third word isn't in the title is assets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great that that Robbie used in his poetry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the the origin of the English use is to be found in the Anglo French law phrase.
[SPEAKER_02]: A-A-Sets, and that's spelled A-S-S-E-T-Z, and it means in the law to have sufficient I-E to meet certain claims.
[SPEAKER_02]: The French words asset was originally singular.
[SPEAKER_02]: So both in the English and in the French, these words asets and parts,
[SPEAKER_02]: The singular form of the word was also the plural form of the word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is your lesson for today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you did assets.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, uh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good word for this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, assets is, uh, is I think the theme of this episode, the assets, um, many different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we really dive into Ferengi kind of philosophy in one of the best episodes I think I've seen about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: in a way that it's so meaningful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just philosophy, we are dealing with religion as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And although it's a comic, it can be called a comic episode, although I don't think it is, it touches on a lot of deep themes here, not just in the A story, but in the B story as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: So during the development of this episode, the writers spent a lot of effort exploring the character of Cork, according to Renee Ashavaria, we really dug down to find what this episode was about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the process, we managed to find out who Quark is, and how for Rengi, he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Similarly, Hans Bimler said, the substance is that Quark has a line that we will not, that he will not cross.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a very clear ethical code and lives by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is comedy, but it deals with some very serious business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quirk is a very complicated guy with a lot of complicated issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not just a silly for Engie.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more you explore the character, the more you see that he's very sophisticated and complex.
[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Hans.
[SPEAKER_02]: My whole purpose during his seven years was to do just what he just explained.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you accomplished it in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Story by Louis P. DeSantis and Robert J. Boliver, teleplay by Hans Bymler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Directed by Avery Brooks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is one of his best Avery.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's consistent, it's smooth, it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I over-directed or under-directed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, it's a very light touch in an elegant way, and I think Avery did a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited to hear you say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was on the moon when he was directing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had been a sense that he was ecstatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was joyful.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a toy to play with and he was having a wonderful time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he'd come bubbling up out away from video village and give us some remarks half the time I didn't understand them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the eight days that he shot that episode, he was having a wonderful time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll also comment in the last episode we did with Terry we reviewed with Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was only in one scene at the very very end and I thought what a strange like Cisco's only in this one two lines at the end of the episode and one scene, but it makes sense because he was prepping this episode so he was very busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just for background, Avery Brooks prior to the show and perhaps after, but I know prior to the show taught directing at Rutgers University.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, um, directing for film and TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're directing for, over the stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: guest stars, Rosalind Chow is Kiko, Brian, Max Kudenshek, his brahm, and Gint, Hada Te, as Molly O'Brien, Jeffrey Combs, as Brunt, and of course our special guest star is Andrew J. Robinson, as Kerek.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to a little bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_01]: From this episode forward, Andrew Robinson is credited as Andrew J. Robinson.
[SPEAKER_01]: From this episode forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: According to Andrew, the J stands for J. O. R. D. T. Jort.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe it's Y. I could be wrong, but I think you're right about you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's his grandfather's first name.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Srockl often does not appear in this episode, which is a shame I actually want to see him in the last scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the bit of trivia, this episode introduces a new run about the USS Volga.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't see that until this episode, the USS Volga.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a new shuttle or it's not a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a run about the craft.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always say shuttle because that's what we used on Voyager, and I always say sick bay, and we always say farmers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we say holiday program as opposed to Hall of Sweet is what they say here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't say Hall of Sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't have jump justics on Voyager.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't have me either.
[SPEAKER_01]: You well, we did the very very first episode we had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, we had you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, and I got to say thank you again for being there for that very well it was at the very first it was the very first scene I think it was the very first scene But it works but I wasn't nervous because arm and helped me through that so I know
[SPEAKER_00]: have a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we've talked about this before, Armin.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we shot that scene, I'm sure Marvin Rush was there to light it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd been on your show for the first two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So was that a, do you remember that being?
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it was close to when he had just worked with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't remember that are being any change.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Jonathan took over from Marvin, but I don't remember a major change because of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine it's like a director of the first episode of any show, the pilot, usually, that however the director establishes the look of the show, that has to be followed through,
[SPEAKER_02]: So Marvin established the look of the lighting and I'm sure Jonathan picked up from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Made his improvements in enhancements and contributions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But had to keep within somewhat of a limit that Marvin had said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another bit of trivia, the O'Brien Baby Transplant Storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: was created as a solution to the production problem of actress Nanavis that are becoming pregnant in real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: The producers decided they did not wish to go down either of the two other solutions open to them, either having the character of Kira become pregnant by Shakar or hiding the pregnancy by shooting visitor in such a way as to never reveal her midsection.
[SPEAKER_01]: has had been done during the fourth season of Star Trek next generation, with the character of Beverly Crusher, and would be done again in most of the fourth season of Star Trek Voyager with Ballana Torres.
[SPEAKER_01]: As such producers, thanks to the suggestion of Iris Steven Veres' wife, Laura Veres, who came up with the idea to tie and visit her real pregnancy with the character Caco O'Brien's fictional pregnancy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool though, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Laura is a very smart woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: She should be credited with more than just being
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sure she had lots of, you know, unofficial opinions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's a physicist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: As well as a dancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's incredible woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole decision to do this transplant storyline just was, you know, for an odd visitor of a huge relief.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she thought she was going to be written off the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, once she got pregnant, yeah, she had those initial fears.
[SPEAKER_01]: that they were going to kill off her character, just recaster, whatever it may be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not Kira.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Kira, Kira is the heart and soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also find it very interesting that now they've talked about DS9, Voyager and TNG, the pregnancies, the real life pregnancies all happened in season four for all three shows, which is another weird coincidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the topic though of the pregnancy in season four and having to deal with her real-life pregnancy that was in the non-sids baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: How was that for the cast just knowing Sid and then then we're having a baby was that exciting?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we were very happy for both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and we were all very careful about making sure that NAH was always sitting down and taking care of herself.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we were ecstatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was still an actress on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was still at responsibility as to perform, but we made it a little bit easier for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not just the actors, but everybody on the set.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so great that they figured out a storyline where they didn't have to hide the pregnancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lord, there's a brilliant woman on women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: On a stranger, we did spend one season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think was season four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think was season five, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: We spent...
[SPEAKER_00]: One season maybe was season four.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hid Roxanne's real-life pregnancy for a whole season We hid it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did not write it in all they did was put a lab coat on her and shoot her a pie Behind consoles and then the next season she got pregnant on the show as the character and so they had a fake belly Yeah, it was like wait wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: season of hiding a real pregnancy and I think a fake pregnancy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think of the three shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think DS9 did the right way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stand up for Laura's choice, which is, I think, the quite brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a scene where I'm getting a little head of our sauce, but where she's talking to Kaco,
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's really obvious in her face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forget the belly, in her face that she's pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you hide that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's jump right in.
[SPEAKER_00]: We start off in ops.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles O'Brien is very nervous about Kiko.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's off to Torrette 5, which is in the gamma quadrant.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to be there for three days and getting pedanical samples and Miles is just a really nervous.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Kira and Bashir are with her and, you know, Wurf and Dax are trying to calm him down and say, look, Kira and Bashir are there, she's gonna be fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, you know, she just doesn't act like a pregnant woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: She forgets she's pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to remind her, and I love Dax at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, no, I think the extra weight, the morning sickness, the mood swings, the medical exams, they're gonna remind her now if you don't have to do all the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can almost picture Laura reminding Ira before.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come up with an idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Columns reaction to Dax's comment that you just, that line you just recited was just so awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just so light and not all and brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just great.
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah very well shot opening scene again avery right out of the gate i didn't know he directed this at this point and i was like oh that was a simple scene but just perfectly done the way he staged it i'll say that about avery's direction and actor choices in this whole episode the block in
[SPEAKER_00]: is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The movement, the actor movement, the way that it lands emotional moments and story beats in a strong way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So good all the way through.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to quarks next and quark is coming through the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is happy as a clam.
[SPEAKER_00]: Super happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've never seen him this happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've never had no idea where you're going with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what is about to happen here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you did ignore more and though I will say you walked right by more and you were nice to everybody, but you didn't engage more and I felt a little bad for more and there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not notice that he went right past it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark usually has nice things to say to more and but he's distracted because he wanted to hug Rome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that would have been an interesting take though, Armin.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you ended up hugging if you had like kissed again more And you hugged everybody because yeah, this is it a gentleman.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had hugged him, he would have had to say something That's just what's exactly that's not going to work is okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he hugs rom offers him a snail juice a free snail juice
[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to comment, I've never seen the snail juice with the, with the slug getting sort of, you know, rubbed around the rim of the glass for a little extra flavor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Quark was being extra special to his brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't normally get that rub, does he?
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get the snail, this, I don't even notice that, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that, is that what happens?
[SPEAKER_00]: I went back and watched it again, and you picked up a little rubber slug or whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you went around the river the glass like that with that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's just awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark fills him in on this trip to Franganoar, but I could tell he's avoiding something because he's going down this list and and finally he spills it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says he's dying and he says that very loudly the whole bar stops and stares and then Quark turns to everyone in the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't you ever seen a dying man before?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Avery who must have had me swivel in the chair to face the crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a feeling that was his choice and which is very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really, again, although blocking and the cuts emphasize story and emotional moments in a way that didn't feel, you know, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,
[SPEAKER_00]: I've said in the past, sometimes I feel like every has blocked things in a bit of a heavy-handed way, almost a theater way that I was very aware of the blocking.
[SPEAKER_00]: This time it was elegant and subtle, but it emphasized points in a really great way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I liked the turning to the room, but it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just going to brag a little.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's all during this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see myself making really intelligent choices more than I usually do actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very proud of, for instance, I talk about Moogia, I visited her, but with less enthusiasm because of the relationship that is between quark and Moogian.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What nice choice, so I'm not gonna touch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just back off and Moogia a little.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you made some incredible choices in this episode, Armin.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were very impressed and this disease that cork thinks he does disease is a Dorik's Dorik syndrome Dorik's disease One out of every five million for Engie get this that's pretty rare
[SPEAKER_00]: very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was told by the doctor he only has six or seven days to live.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horrible news.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to clean up his affairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to sell his remains.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we learn that Quark feels like he's a failure in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: He feels like he's a joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: and wrong tries to buck him up a little and says no, you're a pillar of the station.
[SPEAKER_00]: And core kind of comments that, you know, that behavior is not for anger.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he's a joke, because he's acting like a human.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's got, to be a,
[SPEAKER_00]: a pillar of the community and have friends and all those things is very human.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not for Engie and he's a failure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love what the writers did all through this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of those things that you just touched upon, because of my relationship to pancam, which is a charity that that helps with pancreatic cancer and because of my wife's history.
[SPEAKER_02]: We deal with this on a regular basis.
[SPEAKER_02]: People have just gotten a horrible diagnosis and suddenly their lives are changed and they have to look at themselves and say not only what am I going to do but what have I done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that they wrote that scene because that is very typical of people who have gotten a horrible diagnosis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram is the one who tries to cheer you up by suggesting to sell the desiccated remains of your corpse on the fringy futures exchange and we've already seen this idea of this of cutting up fringy body in the past we've talked about, where we've seen that seen before, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: and as ludicrous as that must sound to most people.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's remember that there are saints' relics in the Catholic religion where people make pilgrimages to see a fingernail, to see an eyebrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not as ludicrous as you think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I hope I wasn't, no, you weren't in that way at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it this little bit Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's a big part of the tradition of Frankies.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, again, this episode is great with the Frankie culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: We learn a lot more in a really meaningful way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not on their culture, it is their religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are dealing with the religion and its ethos.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, by by analogy, we're looking at real life-related religions as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what else happens, it's subtle in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: But corks says, tells Rom, he loves him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was really, because you can tell Rom's trying to make him feel better and say, you know, your main people are going to, people love you, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you say, now you're a liar, but I love you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has he ever said that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh boy and and that's part of the diagnosis and being told the horrible diagnosis you really have the need to tell people that are close to you that you love them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to do that because you don't know how much time you have left to express the appreciation and the love that you have for other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to ops.
[SPEAKER_00]: We learn the shuttle is returning to the station.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bring it up on screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see that something has damaged the side of the runabout.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's actually fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like smoke and fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand fire in space.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand fire in any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to need oxygen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't kind of need oxygen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we do it all at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's starting to wreck.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's explosions and things that are just...
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the shields around the actual run about or the shuttle, what are holding a little bit of oxygen, which allows a little bit of fire to come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the oxygen is escaping from the habitat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and that's causing, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's the damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we learn that Bashir has called and said, Kaker needs to come to the infirmary very quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's been hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Emergency transport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two patients, major cure and cakeo are based on sported.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we go to the infirmary and Miles walks in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: And did you expect to see cakeo or kira wini?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the way they shot the scene is, we're not sure who's lying in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is very, you know, tentative, tentative, exactly coming in.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I liked that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you expect to see cakeo and it's kira.
[SPEAKER_00]: but she does reveal the scene the baby has had a change of address.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says that she is carrying the baby now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, we're using a pastiche to talk about more serious things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we're talking about a
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is, which happens all the time in real life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, yes, the science fiction and yes, it doesn't happen this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're talking about a surrogate moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of what the B-storey is all about here is about being a surrogate moment and how the baby's parents have to deal with a surrogate moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my research of this episode, they were talking about how medical science is getting very close to being able to transplant one baby from one, you know, one womb to another right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have a question for you Robbie, when you were watching this scene, did you immediately think,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is because of her pregnancy, uh, off camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you think that immediately?
[SPEAKER_01]: It did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, about halfway through the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was season four.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's about when she, right, you know, had a
[SPEAKER_00]: had the baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even I and I'd like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not and even at the end of the episode, I still did not not until I started doing the research of looking into the background of this episode, did I realize, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you had the genuine response.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a very sci-fi concept.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, so it invits into the show, into Star Trek, so it to me, it was just an episode and a plotline.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really think it would be real life until after I did the research.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but anyway, we go in the word room next and Bashir explains all of this, why they had to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cake-o was severely injured and this asteroid field that they were flying through.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and the baby's life signs were failing so he had to find another womb for the baby, and he says it was either me or Kira I thought what's that was about it kind of clever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and avery and it's just goes says yeah, I think you made the right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes Very very clever miles is very grateful in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask when the baby can go back over to Kiko and Bashir explains well all she's bejorant Kira's bejorant and then they kind of you know form this
[SPEAKER_00]: Dependency, this, on each other, and Kira's going to have to bring the baby to the term herself.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't put it back or it's fatal for both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And wasn't that, I think, very clever to remind people that these are different species, but your arms are not humans, they may look the same except for the nose, but they are different species.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the fact that it, you know, that the pregnancies are different, the time is different.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I thought, they've really been, they've thought this through.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's sometimes in this episode where I think they didn't think it through, but here I think they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just a quick little passage from Andre Bormonus, the science consultant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He commented, sometimes we stretch the boundaries a little beyond my personal comfort level.
[SPEAKER_01]: In an episode of DS9, the writers wanted to transport a baby growing in the womb of one character, Kako, Brian, and to another, Kira Naris, the actress who played Kira was pregnant and this was a clever way of working her real life pregnancy into the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think such a thing was scientifically credible and a pathologist I consulted with agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought it would be incredibly unlikely to work, even with transporter technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole fetal plus central complex would have to be transported and the new hosts.
[SPEAKER_01]: immune system and blood would have to be modified to accommodate the fetus or vice versa.
[SPEAKER_01]: We worked that information into the episode as best we could and hoped we wouldn't get too much grief from obstetricians.
[SPEAKER_01]: But today, a mere 15 years later, the idea of a fetal transplant is under serious study.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could become a reality in just a few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: My bigger concern when I was the Trek Science Consultant was making sure the show kept ahead of where real science is taking us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So actually that date is probably wrong for the time of 15 years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably even longer than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a little quiz for you guys and for everybody listening as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is the longest gestation period on Earth right now for mammals?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's elephants.
[SPEAKER_00]: It, you are correct, sir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa!
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the African elephant, 22 months, almost two years of gestation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whales, brim whales are about 14 months, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something like, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a long time, but Joran's we learned in the scene are five months, less than five months.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get an etymology lesson from Arman and we get a gestation period lesson from you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was a nurse on our ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, I forget that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forget that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget that every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back to our back to our show, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: This episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark is in his quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's checking on his listing on basically Feringi eBay.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's checking his the bidding on the exchange.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Feringi exchange.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... doorbell chimes and uh... cork has requested that rom come to his quarters he asks of rom ask about the bids uh... on quarks remains and quarks as well there's one cork doesn't seem happy about this though no
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, yeah, it's 17 bars, three strips, and five slips of Latin for the entire collection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Corx says it's a very low bid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And coincidentally, exactly what you have wrong, and you're savings.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he knows wrong is the one bidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the only one who's been?
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the major themes of this episode is family, in all its ramifications.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we see throughout this episode no matter which character Max is playing, it's about one family member trying to buck up the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even in the first scene with Ron and I, I'm, I'm bucking up my brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is really an episode about family in in many different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, while you're arguing as family will argue about what Rob tried to do, suddenly a real bid comes in and they go and look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is 500 bars of lots of huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not strips or slips or any 500 bars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for context, how many strips are in a bar and how, and I'm, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Quark actually tells you that some of the million, a million slips are in a bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: 10,000 strips and one million slips.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slips.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: 500 bars a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Quark thinks, who is this thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, it's got to be the grand niggas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love at the end of the scene how he feels like finally he's going to be a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: to huge bid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also like how Ram thought it might have been moogie, which shows how wealthy moogie truly is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moogie's just, you know, rocking it like goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Quark thinks he's going to die a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you say, it's the forensic religion.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to die a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to go to heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, it has ramifications, not just for his ego, but for his religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The analogy and the bad one, but it doesn't have to be the only analogy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that all of us want to die a good person.
[SPEAKER_02]: we don't want to die a good person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do we have to die a good person?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: And even asking that question, I'm sure people are going, what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just a choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for the Feringue Religion to die a wealthy person and having all your debts paid, it is an honorable and ethical thing to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a friend of mine once said to me, one of my favorite quotes of all time in my lifetime, Armin, you want to die with all your dad's paid because he couldn't believe that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in foreign e-religion, yes, you have to die with all of your dad's paid.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, you talk a lot about in this episode about cleaning up your affairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a big part of what Fraggy's have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we go to the O'Brien's bedroom, Kiko's in bed, Kira comes in, Kira's checking on Kiko, it's a bit awkward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the first time that they've spoken since the baby was transferred and all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kako, thanks for what she's doing, Kira says, it's still your baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that must have been a very strange line from then on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I thought the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's really an Anaz baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's playing this story, this flipped around.
[SPEAKER_02]: They must have had a little tiny, tiny conversation before shooting that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like to see in a lot because of the way Rosalind plays it, because I feel like she definitely gave off this feeling of loss of her child, even though this child is still alive, there's still this loss from her body, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think she played that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfectly, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yes, absolutely seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rosalina is to be congratulated and complimented.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, she's dealing with a surrogate mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to Quark's next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark is dictating to ROM.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to handle his affairs?
[SPEAKER_00]: How to clean things up by the way I like to coat in this episode and the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd never seen that color on Quark before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that coat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's come to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the blue one, the brightness of it because the end of the last scene, he said, I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to die a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he looks like a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the way you dressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Bob.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the, is it the kind of different color ones?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, kind of like, if there's a little, like, I'll break it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's just strange little insignia or brooch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here, that, that, all right, looks like a four-leaf clover or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, he was celebrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was party where it was, it was flashed, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was feeling good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir arrives says that he got a message from Dr. Orpax on Frank and R. And Bashir seems a little confused, but he's just going to deliver the message.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the doctor says you don't have dork syndrome you guys are shocked cork and rom or both frozen for a minute and then rom's thrilled and uh... what is too cork is even more thrilled to get me
[SPEAKER_00]: Rom is thrilled because he goes, you're gonna live and then Quark is thrilled.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, yes, I'm thrilled because I can sue Dr. Orpax for malpractice and he goes, oh yeah, and I'm gonna live too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and earlier in another scene, Rom says to Quark, maybe you should check with Bashir and and Quark says Bashir, you know, he doesn't charge anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, which actually again, and the knowledge G to our medical practice, we we tend to want a doctor who's an expert in his field and air go is charging a lot for his expertise or correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: The two.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a little Feringue in our medical system, don't we?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, our for-profit medical system in America.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, here, it's a wonderful Feringue perception as opposed to a human perception, which is that not so much that I'm going to live, but that I'm going to make a lot of money suing the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you talk about Feringue and Feringue
[SPEAKER_00]: Hultern religion is basically pure capitalism in a sense, I mean, it kind of is, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was never, originally on TNG, it was never meant to be comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The original idea was that the Franki were like the American clipper captains in the 1800s who were constantly going into different places.
[SPEAKER_02]: and ripping off natives and making profit and bringing back lots of stuff from around the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was meant to be a mercantile culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just turned into comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is all about capitalism.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is, of course, a comment upon our present day system.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because pure capitalism, and I don't mean to go down this road of economic theory,
[SPEAKER_00]: philosophies, but pure capitalism in a sense always talks about free markets, open market, no regulation, just pure, you know, unimpeded trade, but yet the foreign geek culture has a lot of rules as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not free market in a sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can have rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the things that I liked about this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's in this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a scene coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they do obey rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even as they're, forgive me, ripping people off, they have certain guidelines or guardrails that's calling that about what they can and cannot do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, as they, as this, one of the rules of acquisition that is quoted several times in this episode is a contract as a contract as a contract, but only among Theranghi.
[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, you can rip anybody off.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but you can't rip off another Theranghi.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are rules, there are Ethan.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a book of the rules of acquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're often contradictory rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's because that writers were writing different episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like your use of guide rails as opposed to guide lines that was very clever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guard rails.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guard rails.
[SPEAKER_02]: I use that word for purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually quite, I'm referring to something else as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, guard rails are important.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in court's bedroom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Court is sleeping and the doorbell is a ringing and it's not stopping.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He puts on some slippers which kind of, almost a little Dutch, Dutch clogged to me or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know why you put the slippers on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they would have to make up your feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we are absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is on purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they had me and pajamas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, are very long.
[SPEAKER_01]: cover up with a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you see my legs and there are episodes where you do see my legs and my ankles, oh, I had to be shaved
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the body hair has to come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to cover up as much of cork as we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tangent on your piggyback on your think.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I was on late in Star Trek, I was cycling a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was obsessed with the tour to France.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was road biking with a couple of different groups, multiple days a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really into cycling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all the cyclists would shave their legs, not because it's people think it's to go faster.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not, it has nothing to do with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about when you fall and you will fall if you cycle enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you scrape up a road rash on your legs, it's a way to help it heal faster because you can put medicine and bandages and things over the scrapes and things so you don't want to have hair all over your legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you shave and I had fallen and had problems with hairy legs healing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I decided to shave my legs because I was so into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be like the biker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, I came out, I'd been in the shower, I shaved my legs for cycling.
[SPEAKER_00]: They came out in Taylor, my daughter was probably like, I don't know, nine or 10 or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, look, I shaved my legs for cycling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she looks at it and she freaked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, started crying.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't shave your legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very upsetting to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I never shaved from again.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a good dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So guess who it is?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's brunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Jeffrey Combs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brunt from the FCA is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark thinks this might be a surprise audit.
[SPEAKER_02]: More than ever, I realized how specific Jeff always is when he says FCA.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't ever repeat it in the same way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it says it's brunt.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's FCA.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you go back and watch this episode, all the episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: that Jeff says, brunt FCA, he, it's a trademark for Jeff to say FCA in a slightly different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't notice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now I'm going to pay attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: My gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two of you together are, you're both so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have just seen
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff in the other role as a way is way you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was brilliant in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we get to see him again as Brunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, court thinks this is possibly a surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Audit Brunt says no, not really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm only here to check on my merchandise Corp doesn't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out Brunt is the bitter of the 500.
[SPEAKER_01]: bars of latinum and you know corks says look there's some there's some news and Bruns already heard it he knows that cork doesn't have door eccentric he doesn't care he still wants the fifty two is a fifty two or fifty fifty two discs fifty two discs of Desiccated cork is what he wants like cards in a playing deck Yeah, exactly he doesn't want to renegade on that offer it
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, the contract remains within six days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want those remains.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, yeah, not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Commercial break.
[SPEAKER_00]: We come back, quirk tries to buy, brunt out of this contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but my wouldn't say buy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say bribe him out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, brunt is not budging on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He will not sell quirk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Asked what, you know, what did I ever do to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I thought was a nice like he won't be bought out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where Brent lets it all out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because he's gone soft.
[SPEAKER_00]: He lists all the ways that he shames the foreign culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, it's not what you've done.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's who you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: You discussed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: and blunt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, the end of the scene thinks he's going to break the contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to break it anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once you break it, then you'll get your punishment by the fringy council and all your stuff will be confiscated.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be cut off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love how, how blunt basically the main accusation and how what he's so disgusted about is that cork is a philanthropist, which in, you know, in human culture, it's awesome if you're
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think Brent is doing it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Take him out of the for rangy culture, take him out of Star Trek deep space nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is he suggesting, which is, I mean, I'm gonna ask you guys and put you on the spot, but he's ex-communicating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's excommunicating him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything that he says that he's going to do to Quark is what the church has done to people that they have excommunicated.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's for rangy culture, but really it's an analogy for other religions as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you feel at the end of this scene when Quark he says he loves being a for rangy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all the things you just describe you lose when you're excommunicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves being a for rangy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just Quark who's going to be affected.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what Brun says.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says your family is going to move from everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nag everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he also suggests that that cork finds someone to kill him instead of him doing the actual killing himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you expect me to kill myself?
[SPEAKER_02]: He said no, no, no, no, no, something to do for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to O'Brien's quarters next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cacos at a bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles is helping her sort of walk across the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was in bad shape.
[SPEAKER_00]: She had major surgery.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Cacos basically says she wants security to join them for dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Miles says, well, she could do that every night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kiko is just heartbroken in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: She talks about, even if she came every night, it wouldn't be enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: She feels selfish.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's grateful that the baby's alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't know how she's going to deal with these feelings and what they're going to do and neither does mild.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a real vulnerable scene for both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a postpartum sort of scene in the baby is gone and and she's dealing with postpartum feelings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this next scene starts on the promenade with quirk and rom coming down these spiral stairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: great opening shot again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so impressed with the Avery's direction in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's simple kind of camera movement, but very effective and visually interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the camera's kind of I think it was the steady cam coming around.
[SPEAKER_00]: The spiral staircases they come
[SPEAKER_00]: at the lens, and it was just really well done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rob's trying to be a good brother, take responsibility for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't be mad at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's me that did the union thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And trying to convince him to live.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to convince him to live.
[SPEAKER_00]: They walk in a garrick shop where garrick is making a new outfit for his added pants, a pair of pants for more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he can sit on the stool longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: should make your swiveling on your bar stool much more comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great blocking in the scene again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, this is really elegant and well done and well really well polished.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark-esque garrick to be in assassin garrick plays dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, you're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a tailor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, no, before that and Gary says, I was a gardener before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still playing dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram is very impressed with you, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bold move asking Gary to, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he business, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks that Quark wants Gary to kill off, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: To kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to kill off, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: and quarks has no, it's not for brunt, it's for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I that choice and yeah, um, do you really dislike quark that much that as much as you would be a verse to killing anybody else off supposedly right you're right going to enjoy killing off quark and that's an handy choice that's not a neighbor choice and that's not a writer's choice that's an handy choice and I go why
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd see never the less for Quark because it just shows that he's really sticking by his beliefs.
[SPEAKER_01]: His convictions, his code, his religion, however you want to look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not going to break that contract.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because even, even, uh, Bruns says that, well, you could break the contract and Quark is like, no, absolutely not, I would not do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote down in here just a great performance arm and by you, particularly when you say, that's who I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a businessman.
[SPEAKER_00]: You grounded that so beautifully.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot I was in a sci-fi show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really a nice work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you everyone has heard my agenda.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I was really playing my agenda was to make my character as three-dimensional as any of the other characters on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And granted, it's a slightly farsical but as I've been saying, not so farsical situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to be as grounded as possible and dealing with these real world concerns in a plausible way.
[SPEAKER_02]: As much as I'm in awe of the performances that were around me, I wish that they too had been a little bit more around it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all probably thought as I did this is a pharyngey episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a comic episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a desire to be a little bit entertain and yes to entertain and I and I would have liked a little bit more seriousness But that's just me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Max in this scene at the end of your kind of describing why you're doing this He's very moved by it and Max cries at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember, but I
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got tears going.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I probably, the thing I've just mentioned to you is probably something I made of said to Max on the weekend when we were getting together.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he knew where I was coming from, and he probably saw that as a good idea as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just sometimes the writers put jokes in and you need to have them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to have them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get that, but sometimes I thought this one joke too many.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is one of my favorite scenes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really great scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kork and Garak go off to talk about death.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, garrick's past is always meant to be in the grey, for garrick anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: We suck it out, but for garrick, he never admits to anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why suddenly is he going to allow himself to be seen as an assassin?
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a couple of things like this in the episode where I go, didn't they think this through?
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why does he not only allow it
[SPEAKER_02]: for Quark, but certainly Rommel, but here's this as well, and yeah, Romm can't keep a secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even if he had just said, well, you know, in his coy way, if he had said, well, I really don't know what you're talking about, but I'm happy to help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about, we can talk about this or something like that, just to keep a cover, which he always does, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one where he just lets his
[SPEAKER_00]: his facade down completely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and then who's to say that Bourne doesn't have his year to the curtain listening to this come right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good nippic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go into the O'Brien's quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'll cure his visiting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's there for dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're waiting on her hand in foot.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just anything she needs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Molly comes in.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of hungry for dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where Kiko says to Miles, well, do you think we should tell her what our idea was?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know what that is, but they suggest that they have an idea, they don't want to pressure her, and that's where we leave the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't really learn what it is, but we know that they've got something up there sleeve.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was just going to have her for dinner for every night until the baby was born.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think it was going to be as drastic as what they were meant to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, that's impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go into quarks bar next, quark is, or we think we're in quarks bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Turns out it's all over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, I wasn't quite sure even after watching the scene, I am now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at that time, I thought, yeah, where are we?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be in a house.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's supposed to be in a house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's supposed to be in a house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're eating mac and cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you eating there?
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks very non-forenggy to be on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eating is always problematic for Quark to get past the teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you did put the food in there and you made it look like you were chewing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That spit bucket wasn't far away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's my side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's eating his back and cheese.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gary sneaks up behind him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Raps his hands around his head and snaps his neck with a big snap.
[SPEAKER_00]: It falls face first into his food.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gary said, how's that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And quirk appears.
[SPEAKER_00]: The real quirk.
[SPEAKER_00]: We realize it is a hollow program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quirk appears and says he hates it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hates that.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... here the snapping uh... that he doesn't want that to be the last thing he hears they talk about all these other versions they've done and they've tried different ways quirk hates all these options gara goes through the list uh... you want to be vaporized to you know the disruptors going to ruin your clothes the knife was too savage the nerve gas melt bad hanging took too long she what's wrong with the point he's tried a lot of ways
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to see it, smell it, or feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just wants it to come without having any experience of it, which is very funny, if you think of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very funny, and I'm very proud of my work in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: This scene, if I had the chance and could go back 30 years and do it again, I would do it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think watching this, I think, oh, you missed the point, Armin, and that is, he doesn't really want to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's what this scene is saying is it's not that he dislikes them It's just he really doesn't don't die and and that's so I would go back and play it that way I sort of got it from the words.
[SPEAKER_02]: The words are right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's arm and not doing what he should have been doing Which is that playing that you know, it's comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes And it works that way
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, in my effort to be more grounded, I watch that scene of the O, you really should have played the fact that you're terrified of death.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I would say I got that from the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the quirk was aware that he didn't want to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was almost like he was protesting too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's the gas.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just too smelly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I don't want to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course I want to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the way it should have worked more and more of that more of that I thought it worked though I don't I don't have a nitpick with this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't have a nitpick either I will say though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting that this snapping Next snapping scene didn't receive a 15 rating or at least I didn't find anything about a 15 rating in the UK
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, the price, the other, the other, the two times we've heard next snapping, they've taken the snapping sound out and put a 15 rating on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they just missed this or maybe they thought, oh, this is in a hall of sweet, so it doesn't count, but I think maybe they missed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe forgive me for my prejudice, and this is what this is, is my prejudice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pharyngey dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I must say, uh, the next napping reminded me of one thing and it's this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, forget you do have a spine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well said, I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this next sequence out in the corridor and into quarks, quarters where he's terrified, because we've left Garrick saying, Oh, you have my word.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll never know what hit you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a big threat there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we answered that threat with work sneaking through the dark funny sequence.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love when you drop out of frame, very classic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's got to be angry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did it in a recent episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you went to work on Kira Threatens you about taking your commercial off of the replicators.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh my, I was, let me help you get rid of the drop down on a frame.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, he did it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great comic, sharp comic moment, but you drop out of frame.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you come in your room, you're waving your arms around to try to fight something off.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just, you've got so much anxiety, you finally lay down and you fall asleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before I fall asleep, I check to make sure I have a bar of Latin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, at the divine treasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK. Again, religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like last rights.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I make sure I've got the money so that should I die.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should this be it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can I can bribe the extracur.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that that's their religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he does lay down to go to sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, there's a transition.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's waking up in the divine treasury.
[SPEAKER_00]: This beautiful gold room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wakes up in heaven, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: He reads above the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please have your profit and lost statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ready for inspection before entering the divine treasury.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's real dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't even notice it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This worked out great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job, Gary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, forgive me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love my readings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Much as I did like the other reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love my reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're a good Gary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Gary.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like when the door opens.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's looking around the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: The door opens.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fringy enters its gint, which is max, plain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is max, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... it's gins and you kneeled down in your prayer hands another yet i love that i don't know if that was you or had to be me i don't think every would have suggested that i think that's everything so i just like the core client you you you look like my brother from the kids like that's because this is really bad it's all yeah case you had any idea that it wasn't max i'm telling you it's max
[SPEAKER_02]: And Max got bless him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Max is a good actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Max does a different character.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a different voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the voice is not wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in this dream, dream, Gint, which is Max, tells Quark, he should break the contracts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Says, and then Quark's like, what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wrote them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And dream, Gint goes, the rules are just a suggestion.
[SPEAKER_00]: they revealed that it's just a marketing employee to get people to buy the book of rules of acquisition.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they couldn't call it the suggestion of acquisitions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is that right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a line that doesn't line in there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but dream good and basically says this is the only way out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got to break the contract.
[SPEAKER_02]: And going back to suggestion in rules of acquisition, what the writers are doing here are just saying, don't accept the written word as something as as as as as Gens says, they're not written in stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a deeper underlying story being told by the writers in this and I hope people don't miss it for the fact that it's a pharyngey episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great script and a great story and great performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was one of my favorite episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, dream again to tell him to break the contract, then brunch shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that we can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was fabulous.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bruns says this is just a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gint is a fraud.
[SPEAKER_00]: This gint, dream gint is a fraud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bruns says that you can't kill me that this is just a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then, brun realizes, but people die in their dream sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes over, starts strangling him in the dream and starts choking him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we transition to cork in real life, in bed with his hands over, throws,
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wakes himself up and realizes he's alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very happy about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was all a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we go into Quark's bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brunt is there chatting up a doggo girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brunt offers to show the doggo girl a little bit of Umak's when Quark arrives and Quark says, he's breaking the contract and says, do what you must?
[SPEAKER_00]: But just leave, and if I ever see you here again, I'll kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that strength.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you'll take your punishment for breaking for empty rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Brant makes a big speech to the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: One definitely done by Jeff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, incredibly well done.
[SPEAKER_02]: He walked the line between comic and serious.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in awe of that speech when I watched it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He talks about to get everyone's attention and brought FCA.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says again, as of this moment, no further for Renghi commerce can be conducted in the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: No for Renghi can be employed in the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: No for Renghi can eat or drink and no for Renghi.
[SPEAKER_00]: No for Renghi may do business with that man.
[SPEAKER_00]: He puts a notice on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excommunicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excommunicated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then corkshuts before that, if I may, just to give you a shout out, he walks out and a background player walks out with him and they broke my heart because I realized I didn't realize until I saw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the background player is my old dear wonderful friend, Michael Patrick Hughes, who was a background player on our show, who I'd done a Broadway show with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I went, oh god, Michael, you walked out on me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I love this last moment of everyone kind of leaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: We cut outside and we see the door shutting with cork through the closing doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great image.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great way to button the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the Obrine Quarters again, great blocking in the scene, cure a rise of the bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's moving in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kika says, would you like to see your room?
[SPEAKER_00]: Kira says, sure, they go into Kira's room and realize Kira's moving in with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Molly asks, are you my aunt?
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kira says, yes, call me Aunt Norris.
[SPEAKER_00]: Molly and Kira are going to play together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a nice warm moment with Kira as a character to feel part of the family as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's always been this sort of rebel, lone wolf, you know, tough woman, tough female character.
[SPEAKER_02]: and she's making, she's already made a sacrifice, which is to take on the baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now she's making a second sacrifice to live with the parents of the baby and to give up her own comfort.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's living in a room that belongs to Molly and she will have to
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, go to the bathroom in those quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: She will have to get dressed in those quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'll have to deal with Molly in those quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'll have to tip to around when she wakes up so she can deal with her duties.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's giving up quite a bit to acknowledge the friendship the love that she has for the alliance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so in the last scene, we go in a quarks, a beautiful shot again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see quark sitting by himself, rom comes to join him and half close.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've never seen a shark out of his jacket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just in a shirt, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which actually is also going.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: That has to be mailed the next day to brunch the shirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's one chair left.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're coming back for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to get to take the shirt off quarks back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally like the saying goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's lost it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_00]: Rahm offers him some of his old clothes, I think that's very sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Rahm's very proud of him for breaking the contract and doing, you know, doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Bashir arrives with a box of Albanian brandy and quirks like, I don't need charity and Bashir's like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can dump it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not charity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just dump this out if you don't want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then Dax arrives with some glasses, some ugly glasses.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they were pretty glasses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they weren't that ugly.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they weren't that ugly.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cisco arrives says they've got some furniture they need to store can they put it here people start pouring into the bar With items to bring the bar back to life and I loved your performance in this arm and I loved the way that little warmth that you could see wash over you But he didn't want to admit it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says you're gonna have to pay rent for storing all that stuff here It's just go agrees and I want to talk about that in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, he does he agrees.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says send me the bill
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's basically everybody starts pouring in, bringing the place back to life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark is very moved, and I love the Slastic's change with Rome where he says, look at them brother, you thought you had no assets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Quark says Cisco, Dex, but she's here more and there my assets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram says yep, to name a few.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Quark wanders over to the bar, he says I need to drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she doesn't get.
[SPEAKER_01]: What were you about to say there?
[SPEAKER_01]: You went, well, you'd better say ladies and gentlemen or something like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: As you would love it, like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And start, I don't know what I was about to say, but I hope what I was about to say was thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you said it without words because you turned around and it was very moving and the push in on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Avery did a great job with his choice and moving the camera and where the actors were.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we see
[SPEAKER_00]: We see Quark walk towards the bar, turn around, and we see everybody around him, but the camera just pushes in on Quark taking it all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was really moving moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: My thought was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm very proud of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as I said, all through this, as we've been talking, that there's just a lot of good choices and a lot of good writing to work with.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is part of the story of Deep Space Nine, in the sense that as we have talked about several times, and alluded to once or twice today,
[SPEAKER_02]: that oftentimes people have treated quark less than perfectly, and here's a matriculation, not only for quark who is learning a huge lesson, which you just pointed out, but it's also they have learned that despite their problems with quark, he deserves their empathy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, I've talked about religion all the way through here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a very, forgive me, Christian thing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: To forgive him has faults because our neighbor is a need, and we need to help our neighbors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, that's a lovely ending for this show, not only for Quark, but for this idea that when a neighbor needs help, neighbors will come to the rescue and help them out because they're all part of a family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a really nice nine family.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's no longer the outsider like he felt that he was this entire time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he learns that lesson and they although they don't play it, but that's what I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I do too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is they learn the lesson that he is important to them as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I would, I've said this earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved for Jake to have been in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, for sure, especially in this final scene, he should have been bringing something into the bar as well to help out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would even go so far as to say,
[SPEAKER_02]: that who arranged all this, probably if we look at the scene, the way it's shot, Cisco did, he was the director after all, but no, but the characters Cisco would have arranged this, but I would have loved to have seen that it was Jake who arranged it all, and they agreed, and they agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's also interesting to me that yesterday was a flood of background people come in with chairs and tables, but you'll notice there wasn't a pharyngeum on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's still excommunicated.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Below the layer of comedy and for Rengishananagans, I think there's a great deal of wisdom being expounded in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The final scene really, it's so satisfying because for me, it immediately elicited
[SPEAKER_01]: my memories of another iconic feature film scene, which is, I felt like Quark was George Bailey from it's a wonderful life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote down our relationships with others, our our our most precious asset.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine is very similar, but this is what I wrote.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good friends, a more valuable than worldly possessions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: are the angels that life gave us to make life better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Strive to a mass friendship wealth as opposed to material wealth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we're all kind of on the same page.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our Patreon poll winner for theme more a lesson of this episode is submitted by Jenny, and that is, get a second opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about Dorick's in the doctor.
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