WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:15.019 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the 40-K-Lore cast. 00:21.260 --> 00:23.945 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Forty-Killercast with me, John Varsodium, Brad Jester. 00:24.145 --> 00:24.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Disgown. 00:25.207 --> 00:27.892 [SPEAKER_02]: And today's cast, we're going to discuss how antibiotics work. 00:29.294 --> 00:29.494 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good. 00:29.514 --> 00:30.116 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job, Brad. 00:31.157 --> 00:31.919 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine. 00:31.959 --> 00:32.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Now. 00:36.767 --> 00:42.357 [SPEAKER_02]: You are so much better than you were, which sounds good, except I know how bad you were. 00:42.877 --> 00:44.761 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been able to do the cast. 00:45.482 --> 00:46.003 [SPEAKER_02]: I was wrong. 00:46.023 --> 00:47.005 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm in great. 00:47.025 --> 00:48.608 [SPEAKER_02]: It would have I think we would have gotten messages. 00:49.008 --> 00:53.196 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this Brad's last cast? 00:53.216 --> 00:54.419 [SPEAKER_02]: That was what I've been the reviews. 00:54.879 --> 00:55.340 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good. 00:55.360 --> 00:57.865 [SPEAKER_02]: The reviews would have been I'm going to miss Brad. 00:58.705 --> 01:01.307 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it also depending on what time we did it. 01:01.367 --> 01:03.670 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have been still at a room. 01:04.130 --> 01:08.714 [SPEAKER_02]: We probably at some point should do one from the hospital because you're there, what, quarterly? 01:09.094 --> 01:11.276 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, I don't even, I don't like the tone. 01:11.677 --> 01:12.498 [SPEAKER_01]: You're taking with me. 01:12.878 --> 01:13.719 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like this at all. 01:13.739 --> 01:15.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like the cut of your lips. 01:15.120 --> 01:15.640 [SPEAKER_01]: And she'll be better. 01:16.281 --> 01:19.624 [SPEAKER_02]: We just hear beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. 01:19.644 --> 01:20.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, Brad needs a minute. 01:21.346 --> 01:23.768 [SPEAKER_01]: Must have been talking about the loads of terror. 01:24.328 --> 01:26.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Got me all fired up. 01:26.532 --> 01:29.576 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, we could actually hear your actual heartbeat change. 01:30.497 --> 01:41.532 [SPEAKER_02]: No, anyway, today, we actually are going to discuss the closing of the bedab war, focusing a lot on once the war broke out, and a lot of the discoveries that occurred during it. 01:41.792 --> 01:50.464 [SPEAKER_02]: For those who aren't aware, hope you are all at this point, the Forty K. 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breathing dragon. 03:05.055 --> 03:12.161 [SPEAKER_02]: Then it's only 4.3 euros per month, because the town of Gent in Belgium is genuinely gorgeous. 03:12.401 --> 03:14.643 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's under the protection of a fire breathing dragon. 03:15.104 --> 03:18.727 [SPEAKER_02]: It means a statue that doesn't really breathe fire, but it's still cool. 03:19.147 --> 03:27.715 [SPEAKER_02]: And I also should have mentioned I have been there in 30 years, so I'm hoping it's still pretty. 03:27.695 --> 03:29.619 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a dragon story for you on that. 03:30.040 --> 03:36.453 [SPEAKER_01]: A ultimate Brad alternate it up because someone was talking about one of my friends. 03:36.994 --> 03:48.538 [SPEAKER_01]: It is wife and a group win on a trip over to Europe and said the exact phrase you just said of fire-breathing dragon and I mistakenly 03:48.518 --> 04:14.897 [SPEAKER_01]: super nerded out and because she made the joke of what other kind what do you I don't know why you have to say fire breathing dragon what other kinds of dragons are there and I went yeah let me tell you about all the dragons there and then after about five minutes yeah they're like yeah I was like well screw it now you know deal with that you now have that knowledge 04:15.130 --> 04:21.998 [SPEAKER_02]: But for those who don't know, Ghent is the home for Charles V, who has one of the most epic lower chins I've ever seen. 04:22.058 --> 04:27.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Yosemari is cousin, but on the other hand, he did rule all of mainland Europe. 04:28.505 --> 04:29.126 [SPEAKER_02]: So there was that. 04:29.667 --> 04:35.854 [SPEAKER_02]: Ghent also has Graves Dean Castle in it, which has a really cool story, because it was built in the 12th century in East Flanders. 04:36.434 --> 04:39.117 [SPEAKER_02]: The castle was never conquered until 1949. 04:39.398 --> 04:42.201 [SPEAKER_02]: You might say, yourself, a 1949. 04:42.181 --> 04:43.764 [SPEAKER_02]: The war was over in 1949. 04:44.285 --> 04:46.710 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right, because it wasn't conquered by a foreign army. 04:46.750 --> 04:52.520 [SPEAKER_02]: It was conquered by a bunch of college students who were upset about the tax on beer increasing. 04:52.981 --> 04:55.346 [SPEAKER_02]: So they assaulted the castle and stormed it. 04:56.087 --> 04:58.732 [SPEAKER_02]: There was only one guard and they locked him in a closet. 04:58.852 --> 05:02.940 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they got drunk and threw garbage at the police from the top of the castle walls. 05:02.988 --> 05:03.709 [SPEAKER_02]: And I support this. 05:03.749 --> 05:04.851 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a very funny move. 05:04.951 --> 05:10.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently to this day, on the next week of November, get up on top of the castle wall, get really drunk and dance around. 05:11.199 --> 05:14.804 [SPEAKER_02]: So, good for you, though, Genties, Genties. 05:15.085 --> 05:16.507 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even for you. 05:17.067 --> 05:18.890 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a pretty deep dive, man. 05:19.310 --> 05:23.376 [SPEAKER_01]: It does something obscure and absolutely no reason. 05:23.795 --> 05:27.365 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that thing is I actually really like Belgium for some strange reason. 05:27.465 --> 05:28.348 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never known why. 05:28.468 --> 05:30.073 [SPEAKER_02]: I find the flamish to be enjoyable. 05:30.273 --> 05:30.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just me. 05:31.316 --> 05:34.084 [SPEAKER_02]: But, any of you, let's go a little bit discord. 05:34.244 --> 05:35.307 [SPEAKER_02]: We always pump our discord. 05:35.387 --> 05:36.852 [SPEAKER_02]: We always should pump our discord. 05:36.872 --> 05:38.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Link in the show notes to it. 05:38.055 --> 05:38.817 [SPEAKER_02]: 80. 05:38.797 --> 05:40.900 [SPEAKER_02]: has been such a hot again recently. 05:40.940 --> 05:44.004 [SPEAKER_02]: We've really had a great time in there talking about stuff. 05:44.144 --> 05:55.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we even have art in there, but a lot of good discussions about literature, about some of the topics we've been going through, some of the new books that are coming out, even some of the competitive stuff's gotten really good. 05:55.719 --> 06:00.265 [SPEAKER_02]: So for anyone looking for a place to interact around Warhammer, please hop in our discord. 06:00.937 --> 06:01.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Last little pit though. 06:02.018 --> 06:06.423 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a side project that's going to be releasing later this week whenever this is releasing. 06:06.703 --> 06:09.707 [SPEAKER_02]: There'll be around the 17th or 18th of November. 06:10.407 --> 06:11.569 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Retro Recall. 06:11.709 --> 06:15.873 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a show I'm doing with Tom from robots radio focusing on old gaming. 06:16.054 --> 06:20.739 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about specific video games from like 1988 to around 2005. 06:21.500 --> 06:22.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Give it a listen. 06:22.401 --> 06:23.262 [SPEAKER_02]: It should be out there. 06:23.362 --> 06:25.844 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll find it on Spotify, YouTube. 06:25.945 --> 06:27.286 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Retro Recall. 06:27.306 --> 06:27.706 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. 06:28.087 --> 06:30.049 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but that's enough of that stuff. 06:30.687 --> 06:31.909 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll stop cheating on Brad now. 06:31.929 --> 06:33.291 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do my thing with Brad. 06:33.511 --> 06:40.340 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk about the, but dab war, which I still haven't looked up if it's the dabber, but dabber, but dabber. 06:40.360 --> 06:40.641 [SPEAKER_02]: They like it. 06:40.661 --> 06:48.772 [SPEAKER_01]: But I, I'm never even when I know what it actually is pronounced as, I'm not telling you, because I enjoy seeing it, just blasted in the discord. 06:49.714 --> 06:52.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm hoping it's one of those ones that it's not phonetic. 06:52.638 --> 06:54.540 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's actually pronounced but dubed, John. 06:54.901 --> 06:55.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Damn it. 06:55.762 --> 06:57.905 [SPEAKER_02]: Where I had no chance of beginning it correctly anyway. 06:58.366 --> 06:58.686 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 06:59.881 --> 07:01.143 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get where we left off. 07:01.163 --> 07:02.104 [SPEAKER_02]: So we left off. 07:02.204 --> 07:05.408 [SPEAKER_02]: The bedab sector is turning into a full-blown civil war. 07:05.528 --> 07:13.219 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got the astral claws, the mantis warriors, the lamenters, and now the executioners have all declared independence from the Imperium. 07:13.960 --> 07:14.901 [SPEAKER_02]: Not succeeded. 07:15.041 --> 07:16.963 [SPEAKER_02]: I was about to say, they didn't succeed. 07:17.224 --> 07:19.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is apparently as different, by the way. 07:20.508 --> 07:22.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, these guys were playing. 07:22.471 --> 07:27.998 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like that GW wrote a story about someone enforcing rules as written. 07:29.902 --> 07:31.144 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:31.164 --> 07:32.846 [SPEAKER_02]: It's their ultimate nightmare anyway. 07:33.407 --> 07:34.088 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what they're doing. 07:34.108 --> 07:34.649 [SPEAKER_02]: Rules is written. 07:35.049 --> 07:36.131 [SPEAKER_02]: We are not succeeding. 07:36.191 --> 07:46.264 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just declaring an independent kingdom within the Imperium where we are going to manage this whole maelstrom sector and we're going to make it aligned with the needs of the Imperium. 07:46.284 --> 07:51.792 [SPEAKER_02]: Problem is in doing this, they got in direct conflict with the firehawks and the marine's errand. 07:51.772 --> 08:02.329 [SPEAKER_02]: a conflict broke out, the two were fighting, and the Marines, the firehawks, had unfortunately retreat pretty quickly because it wasn't going well for them in response. 08:02.349 --> 08:03.971 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it wasn't going well. 08:04.832 --> 08:09.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it wild under state of the judge where we left the cast last week? 08:09.099 --> 08:12.244 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were being pursued actively, and they were probably all going to die. 08:14.705 --> 08:22.205 [SPEAKER_01]: We had a couple snafos in putting the code in, you're like, no man, the stuff was blowing out. 08:22.526 --> 08:24.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to do the Bill Packs of Remelians. 08:25.053 --> 08:26.396 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you keep it score, man. 08:26.417 --> 08:28.883 [SPEAKER_01]: We just got our asses kicked. 08:28.903 --> 08:29.946 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, every six times. 08:29.926 --> 08:30.928 [SPEAKER_02]: half dozen of the other. 08:31.328 --> 08:39.941 [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously this now has come to the attention, the lords of Terra, the lords of Terra, order the red scorpions, raptors, fire angels, and salamanders out there. 08:39.981 --> 08:53.301 [SPEAKER_02]: They also held the trade federation like a thar goes totally responsible for the entire thing and said this is entirely their fault because we don't want anyone knowing that space marines can turn against the imperium. 08:53.821 --> 08:56.725 [SPEAKER_02]: But the more important piece is what was going on behind the scenes. 08:57.325 --> 09:06.237 [SPEAKER_02]: Behind the scenes in Quister jarred dice, ooh, frame is the last name, we're going with that one, was put into oversee the situation. 09:06.677 --> 09:15.649 [SPEAKER_02]: And in Quister, our frame moved to immediately try to quail the rebellion, a combo, classic Imperium, combo of diplomacy and force. 09:16.470 --> 09:23.018 [SPEAKER_02]: First, he could put a call out to all the space Marines in the region, saying, come support this, 09:23.842 --> 09:35.133 [SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting about that, though, I do like this, is that he, as the inquisitorial agent, had the authority to command any part of the imperial military, including the authorities. 09:35.995 --> 09:40.146 [SPEAKER_02]: But what he did was he actually deferred all of his stuff, 09:40.126 --> 09:47.152 [SPEAKER_02]: through the chapter master of the red scorpions who was given the title high-lord commander in the region. 09:47.673 --> 09:52.157 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is because we've said before, the space marines are part of the imperium. 09:52.417 --> 09:54.359 [SPEAKER_02]: The space marines report to the imperium. 09:54.799 --> 09:58.623 [SPEAKER_02]: But the space marines, if they choose not to, the imperium really doesn't want to deal with that. 09:58.803 --> 10:00.405 [SPEAKER_02]: So they have to ask very nicely. 10:00.565 --> 10:09.593 [SPEAKER_02]: And speaking of asking nicely, he then very nicely asked the sucessiveness to stand down their hostility and submit themselves to judgment by the inquisition. 10:09.573 --> 10:10.795 [SPEAKER_02]: to which they said no. 10:11.436 --> 10:11.816 [SPEAKER_02]: What? 10:11.876 --> 10:12.838 [SPEAKER_02]: Horace Harrisy? 10:12.878 --> 10:13.138 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 10:13.699 --> 10:15.161 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, it was that rules. 10:15.201 --> 10:17.544 [SPEAKER_02]: As written thing, politely said no. 10:18.125 --> 10:24.534 [SPEAKER_02]: Loved Huron, who is the leading this assessionist, knew the politics more importantly he knew the law. 10:25.175 --> 10:28.260 [SPEAKER_02]: And he knew that if he surrendered to judgment, everyone's dead. 10:28.380 --> 10:29.962 [SPEAKER_02]: That was kill all of us. 10:29.982 --> 10:31.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, certainly dead. 10:31.504 --> 10:35.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Chris is always wondering why no one's ever giving up to them. 10:36.758 --> 10:39.882 [SPEAKER_01]: because you all died if you give up any acquisition. 10:39.942 --> 10:40.643 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:40.663 --> 10:44.167 [SPEAKER_02]: So what he did, which was kind of clever, is he kept playing the victim. 10:44.207 --> 10:54.579 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, I can't lay down my arms because I'm under assault and pointing out accurately by the way that the fire hawks had been like exterminating systems in the area. 10:54.619 --> 10:59.745 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fire hawks were doing this because the mantis warriors did that to them. 10:59.805 --> 11:01.247 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, 11:01.227 --> 11:02.450 [SPEAKER_02]: this is how you play a victim. 11:02.851 --> 11:06.841 [SPEAKER_02]: So, here on is saying, look, if I try to submit, these guys are just going to kill me. 11:07.142 --> 11:13.739 [SPEAKER_02]: So the only way I'm going to submit is if you pull all your forces out of the sector to which the inclusion is like, yeah, we're not doing that. 11:14.220 --> 11:17.127 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this progresses quickly if I'm being honest. 11:17.107 --> 11:23.017 [SPEAKER_02]: So first and foremost, you've got the Ring of Steel, which we talked about in the last cast. 11:23.037 --> 11:32.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Here on when he declared his independence and stopped paying the imperial tithe, he wasn't doing it to build himself a massive palace or a commit a lot of wealth. 11:33.454 --> 11:38.001 [SPEAKER_02]: He was doing it actually to increase the size of his military capabilities. 11:37.981 --> 11:45.839 [SPEAKER_02]: to arming himself, arming the defenses of the dobb, and one of the things he did was in the actual bedub system was built the ring of steel. 11:46.260 --> 11:53.357 [SPEAKER_02]: And this collection of orbital defense and fortified naval stations, which could mount an almost insurmountability. 11:53.337 --> 12:01.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just saying, it's a huge, huge structures out in the space, like they're, yeah, he's got a, the real steel's no joke. 12:02.129 --> 12:05.494 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, he wasn't just trying to build his military. 12:05.834 --> 12:08.718 [SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to put down that sector. 12:08.758 --> 12:11.582 [SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to completely placate all our forces. 12:11.562 --> 12:15.027 [SPEAKER_02]: He did have up until fairly late in this war. 12:15.087 --> 12:26.484 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's dependable actually, but a period at least for a while, that Huron's goal was to build up a military force and actually pacify the maelstrom sector. 12:26.884 --> 12:29.728 [SPEAKER_02]: This was again, it didn't really seem to much later. 12:29.768 --> 12:37.379 [SPEAKER_02]: There was anything selfish in it, and even later, he still is trying to put down any rebellions in the maelstrom sector. 12:37.400 --> 12:39.122 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just doing it from a different perspective. 12:39.389 --> 12:49.162 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to sprinkle this in and we'll continue on at what point in time did he actually first get contacted by chaos and it's way before he thought it was. 12:49.682 --> 12:50.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:50.363 --> 12:50.684 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:50.724 --> 12:51.605 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how okay. 12:51.685 --> 12:52.326 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying. 12:52.506 --> 12:52.746 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:52.786 --> 12:57.332 [SPEAKER_02]: Turned a chaos, turned a chaos well after they turned a chaos. 12:57.613 --> 12:57.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:57.973 --> 13:03.400 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the beauty of maybe there's a point where he just read names himself and everything else. 13:03.440 --> 13:05.683 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, oh yeah, but that's a lot later. 13:05.663 --> 13:14.546 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I think that I actually think that early on because he gets the whole hubris of I can take over this sector and everything else. 13:15.047 --> 13:21.664 [SPEAKER_01]: These are all good things, air quotes, which I'm doing as usual, even though no one can see me except for John. 13:22.100 --> 13:28.915 [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought about this a lot when I went into a reread of the bad abores and stuff like that. 13:29.636 --> 13:37.613 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, man, I feel like sometimes they do, and I encourage people to read these because they were really fun. 13:38.455 --> 13:41.121 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think they do a really good job. 13:41.101 --> 13:46.689 [SPEAKER_01]: the cascads do a great job of luring people in on their own. 13:46.730 --> 13:59.589 [SPEAKER_01]: They give them the very subtle invite and make them make the leap into where they don't even realize, hey man, you're in the middle of the lake, you're not, you're not, you don't have a toe in the water, you're deep in here and you've never even got wet. 13:59.929 --> 14:07.581 [SPEAKER_01]: I get the very feel on this because the tone shifts at some point in time in 14:08.624 --> 14:11.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Rightcha, he wants to do these things for the Imperium. 14:11.469 --> 14:14.575 [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to conquer for the Imperium. 14:15.015 --> 14:18.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it slowly shifts to man. 14:18.522 --> 14:21.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still doing this for the Imperium, but I wish I got some support. 14:21.587 --> 14:24.793 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's the Imperium's fault that I'm not succeeding. 14:24.773 --> 14:25.294 [SPEAKER_02]: there is. 14:25.515 --> 14:25.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 14:26.036 --> 14:32.810 [SPEAKER_02]: There are some moments like the third year of the war, though, where things they start seeing like almost chaos style mutants being. 14:33.572 --> 14:33.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:33.752 --> 14:34.654 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 14:34.674 --> 14:40.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but I'm saying, it's a little little little and then he makes a lot of the, when you see this in a lot of them, people will cover. 14:40.887 --> 14:41.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 14:42.138 --> 14:58.904 [SPEAKER_02]: What I was just saying we're jumping ahead a little bit but there actually is a point where he is fighting against chaos and the Imperium kept in in the sector and we'll get there Right, well, that's I wanted to talk about it before we got into it because Later on he's obviously you want to spoil it. 14:59.145 --> 15:09.681 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a great idea of prize No, but I want to set up the fact that he's he Where his heads up because this entire engagement started from 15:09.661 --> 15:13.625 [SPEAKER_01]: what he thought was a very good place, a very noble place. 15:14.566 --> 15:18.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, even at this point, I still think that's the point. 15:18.830 --> 15:24.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm saying it in his mind, I think he feels he's the wrong person. 15:24.636 --> 15:28.040 [SPEAKER_02]: He is wrong, but he thinks everyone who goes to chaos feels that way. 15:28.400 --> 15:31.363 [SPEAKER_02]: I would argue that at this point, a lot of people don't like it. 15:31.383 --> 15:34.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, a lot of them aren't wrong, okay, but go ahead. 15:34.366 --> 15:34.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 15:34.827 --> 15:35.548 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into it. 15:35.568 --> 15:38.953 [SPEAKER_02]: So effectively, the problem with the Imperium has is they arrive in the sector. 15:39.413 --> 15:42.317 [SPEAKER_02]: The Bedab, which is what they have to get to, has this ring of steel around it. 15:42.337 --> 15:43.219 [SPEAKER_02]: The came, go near it. 15:43.599 --> 15:46.003 [SPEAKER_02]: But even the sector itself is pretty well fortified. 15:46.023 --> 15:48.166 [SPEAKER_02]: So the ring of steel is just the Bedab sector. 15:48.506 --> 15:51.030 [SPEAKER_02]: But beyond that, they have fortified. 15:51.050 --> 15:52.111 [SPEAKER_02]: They built up planets. 15:52.151 --> 15:54.014 [SPEAKER_02]: And so with the Imperium does is they arrive. 15:54.415 --> 15:59.762 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing they do is surround the entire set like subsystem for life. 15:59.843 --> 16:00.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me show you a little thing. 16:00.904 --> 16:01.605 [SPEAKER_02]: No one's going in. 16:01.585 --> 16:07.372 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you what this blockade does, carry the one absolutely nothing but self-sufficient. 16:07.392 --> 16:10.276 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the entire sub-sector is self-sufficient. 16:10.296 --> 16:31.322 [SPEAKER_02]: They have forge worlds in there that we're going to skip this bit a little bit because the story is a little bit wild, but yeah, the ad mech was still trading with them because since they were never labeled heretics, the ad mech are not barred from trading with them, and here on in the guys do have good goods to trade. 16:31.302 --> 16:34.146 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say two points on that, one, they were so sufficient. 16:34.567 --> 16:40.676 [SPEAKER_01]: Two worlds worse blockade because they were trading with multiple other people outside of the sector. 16:41.076 --> 16:50.931 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what are you even, but like you're pretending, you know, you don't have to get like the secret and and wave as I blew by you with my goods. 16:50.911 --> 16:51.952 [SPEAKER_01]: You were doing nothing! 16:52.193 --> 16:55.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Once they get there though, the Imperium decide to go for it. 16:56.699 --> 17:04.889 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not interested in the Imperium or just the Space Marines themselves because the problem is that the Imperium hasn't labeled Huron and others as Heretics. 17:05.350 --> 17:13.881 [SPEAKER_02]: The Space Marines who've arrived have and Space Marines hate two things more than anything, a heretic and a heretic. 17:13.861 --> 17:14.362 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 17:14.823 --> 17:18.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Zenos are an issue, but that's fine. 17:18.249 --> 17:19.931 [SPEAKER_02]: Heretics are what they really care about. 17:20.412 --> 17:25.922 [SPEAKER_02]: So the imperial forces begin attacking the worlds in this sector with just impunity. 17:26.282 --> 17:32.393 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not trying to conquer them, they're just trying to teach a lesson, and they are wiping worlds out. 17:32.373 --> 17:39.582 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem with it, though, is that while they're wiping worlds out, they're also discovering how well-defended all said worlds are. 17:39.862 --> 17:43.907 [SPEAKER_02]: Because yes, they're wiping a world art out, but not without casualties. 17:44.488 --> 17:48.974 [SPEAKER_02]: And what you're getting now is massive defenses coming back. 17:49.254 --> 18:01.249 [SPEAKER_02]: And look like on paper to be a really easy victory for the space marines is turning into a slow 18:01.229 --> 18:11.334 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was about to put out the fact of, yeah, exactly that, you're putting up a slow slug and you haven't actually hit the real defenses yet. 18:11.354 --> 18:19.373 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the Imperium needs to start changing their tactics as they're getting further and further into this, because they are 18:19.353 --> 18:22.498 [SPEAKER_02]: successfully raging at these outer worlds. 18:22.978 --> 18:34.536 [SPEAKER_02]: But while they're doing it, the secessionists are instead of fighting them on the outer worlds are now going into the inner worlds, the ones who hadn't come over to their cause and in effect conquering them. 18:34.576 --> 18:43.309 [SPEAKER_02]: So while the outer worlds of the system are falling, they're not as significant as the inner worlds would be for trade and support. 18:43.810 --> 18:47.335 [SPEAKER_02]: So as this war is progressing, Huron's actually getting strong. 18:47.315 --> 19:12.630 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that point on that though, because you're on actually gains worlds that he didn't have by the Imperium trying to basically go, well, they're teaching you a lesson out here in these outer planets, cool, and he's like, well, you now have to join me, or you're going, this is going to happen to you, and so a bunch of these places that have no desire to be part of him. 19:13.488 --> 19:20.157 [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden they're now part of their poll didn't yet and so he actually he's playing tower defense a lot better than they were 19:21.385 --> 19:34.941 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so what ends up happening is the war by 906 like a year or two years into the war the war basically hits like a stalemate Not we're not talking roll over one trench warfare or stalemate, but just this level like all right There's really no gains have like I guess it is sorry. 19:34.961 --> 19:47.275 [SPEAKER_02]: It is world war one trench warfare or stalemate actually This is basically 19 but 15 19 19 19 16 where you just can't go anywhere because any ground You gain you lose so much in gaining it and just not really worth anything 19:47.913 --> 19:53.662 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then at a note, I was just about to say we should probably point out that there's a lot of other stuff going on. 19:54.043 --> 19:56.547 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this becomes a problem for the Imperium. 19:56.567 --> 20:03.778 [SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium has two things working against it as far as really dealing with Bedab or one is they don't want. 20:03.758 --> 20:07.682 [SPEAKER_02]: to acknowledge that they have a space-spring civil war happening. 20:08.182 --> 20:11.305 [SPEAKER_02]: But more importantly, they don't really have the resources for it. 20:11.325 --> 20:12.746 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 906 of them 41. 20:13.046 --> 20:14.167 [SPEAKER_02]: So tyrannids are here. 20:14.768 --> 20:15.849 [SPEAKER_02]: Necrons are awakening. 20:16.329 --> 20:18.491 [SPEAKER_02]: Orcs are everywhere at this stage. 20:18.932 --> 20:23.416 [SPEAKER_02]: You have Jucaria or one of the strongest points because we're post-effecturizing. 20:23.916 --> 20:33.765 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have just a normal problem of being the Imperium, which is rebellions and chaos. 20:33.745 --> 20:41.999 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think 13th is later than I think 940 was this 13th black crusade, but you know, it's sorry. 20:42.059 --> 20:42.680 [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming up. 20:42.900 --> 20:45.385 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we had all the rest of it. 20:45.645 --> 20:46.527 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. 20:46.867 --> 20:47.949 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's very posted. 20:47.969 --> 20:52.156 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying it's like before the 13th crusade, it wasn't like nothing was going down. 20:52.176 --> 20:54.139 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they weren't hanging out. 20:54.200 --> 20:56.884 [SPEAKER_02]: It was lovely. 20:56.864 --> 20:59.668 [SPEAKER_02]: But I just like the sipping tea and enjoying it. 20:59.688 --> 21:10.162 [SPEAKER_01]: And you also had a real problem with the elder at the time, too, because all the series were trying to position all their craft worlds in places to stop different chaos things. 21:10.642 --> 21:19.013 [SPEAKER_01]: So, again, there are a problem with the imperial, you know, right about the time a craft world parks right outside what you're in charge of, you're like, hey, man. 21:19.153 --> 21:26.483 [SPEAKER_02]: And besides the planet that you're on is, would be better if it didn't exist, because it'll help against the rise of chaos, not ideal. 21:26.463 --> 21:42.962 [SPEAKER_02]: but then the war takes us crazy turn, partly out of nowhere here on reaches out to the loyalist himself offering a temporary ceasefire and a partly and he says, okay, further bloodshed is not good for at any of us. 21:43.482 --> 21:46.386 [SPEAKER_02]: This is all really based on a misunderstanding. 21:47.066 --> 21:50.310 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get together and figure it out, you know, like an adult would. 21:50.459 --> 21:58.453 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like this story because Lord High Commander Ortis, who's the commander of the Red Scorpion, says, absolutely, let's get this done. 21:58.854 --> 22:05.987 [SPEAKER_02]: And inquisitor frame goes are you an idiot, do not go there, this is 100% a terrible idea. 22:07.013 --> 22:11.580 [SPEAKER_02]: You had so many opportunities, John, and you say, it's a wrap. 22:12.361 --> 22:14.264 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, to be fair, it wasn't a trap trap. 22:14.444 --> 22:16.487 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a stupid idea. 22:17.289 --> 22:20.113 [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is space marines are going to space marines. 22:21.175 --> 22:23.879 [SPEAKER_02]: This other space marines wants to have a noble conversation. 22:23.979 --> 22:26.102 [SPEAKER_02]: We should go have a noble conversation. 22:26.082 --> 22:36.376 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the history of 40K lore, there are no times that a trade-your-space Marine has offered a parlay and it hasn't turned out to be a terrible idea. 22:36.776 --> 22:41.743 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's one that I'm just not thinking of, but usually it goes the way it's going to go. 22:41.863 --> 22:42.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, all right. 22:42.484 --> 22:43.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thing. 22:43.385 --> 22:55.701 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go parlay with the people and fighting against in a system called the 22:55.681 --> 22:57.284 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best part. 22:57.304 --> 22:58.586 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was just the grief system. 22:58.686 --> 23:07.701 [SPEAKER_02]: So they decided to meet on a abandoned waste station, orbiting a gas giant in the grief system. 23:08.122 --> 23:16.035 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's an abandoned station in an abandoned system, orbiting an unenhabitable planet, and a system named after sorrow and trouble. 23:16.015 --> 23:23.042 [SPEAKER_01]: I just assume that entire film was sitting here at the time going, no, no, no, we're not filming. 23:23.482 --> 23:24.863 [SPEAKER_01]: We're filming just to record this. 23:24.963 --> 23:28.467 [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely not going to be a giant action movie in about 10 minutes here. 23:28.487 --> 23:28.867 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus. 23:29.648 --> 23:32.731 [SPEAKER_02]: So the media opens up and it's just yelling. 23:32.991 --> 23:38.956 [SPEAKER_02]: Here on comes in there screaming and ranting about how he and his secessionists are not traders. 23:39.237 --> 23:42.900 [SPEAKER_02]: They're loyalist, but they've been betrayed by the Imperium. 23:42.880 --> 23:49.271 [SPEAKER_02]: and not the lords of terror themselves, but the adeptis had been a strata which to be fair everyone hates the adeptis have been a strata. 23:49.291 --> 23:50.934 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like blaming the health care industry. 23:50.954 --> 23:53.539 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's, you know, insurance companies. 23:53.559 --> 23:54.701 [SPEAKER_01]: He just shouldn't do anything. 23:54.721 --> 24:01.733 [SPEAKER_01]: But at this point in time when he said this, he does give a two-page impassioned speech that is 100% correct. 24:02.523 --> 24:04.126 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh, he practiced. 24:04.247 --> 24:05.750 [SPEAKER_02]: This was power pointed well. 24:06.091 --> 24:07.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's call a spade a spade. 24:07.714 --> 24:16.232 [SPEAKER_02]: And Lord Commander Orders holds the line, stating that all the things you're saying, they're fine and dandy, but hostilities have to end. 24:16.693 --> 24:21.443 [SPEAKER_02]: Here on in his allies have to lay down their arms and they have to subject themselves for judgment. 24:21.963 --> 24:41.592 [SPEAKER_02]: hours go by all this yelling and everyone agrees this isn't working and they go back to their like chambers to rest that's what's written it's a stupid phrase but anyway you'll never guess what happened next so at a nowhere three unknown vessels come hurtling out of the gas giant after cutting off all communication to the platform. 24:41.572 --> 24:57.133 [SPEAKER_02]: The vessels then blanket, the vessels then blanket the station, and the imperial and secessionist fleets with just firepower, and they dock in a bunch of heretics, mutants, and chaos Marines come flooding out attacking both sides, which is important here. 24:57.991 --> 25:03.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just want to take a quick note to point out, in the 41st millennia, radar doesn't seem to work. 25:04.039 --> 25:11.167 [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is in every GW story, somewhat multiple ships can always avoid detection and wreak havoc. 25:11.408 --> 25:18.176 [SPEAKER_02]: We had it in flight of the Eisenstein where a small ship just flew in front of a battle cruiser and went nothing to see here, guys. 25:18.797 --> 25:21.040 [SPEAKER_02]: And the battle cruiser went, yep, I'll just let that happen. 25:21.600 --> 25:23.623 [SPEAKER_02]: We have numerous times during the horrors. 25:23.683 --> 25:27.728 [SPEAKER_02]: Heresy, there's stories that involve all these wolves. 25:27.708 --> 25:29.913 [SPEAKER_02]: the entirety of on stop. 25:29.933 --> 25:34.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're to think they thousands or thousands of songs in the space world this year. 25:34.944 --> 25:39.814 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we went over to prosper, all he can stuff every single time. 25:40.295 --> 25:41.077 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, sorry. 25:41.197 --> 25:42.460 [SPEAKER_02]: It just drives me insane. 25:42.480 --> 25:43.101 [SPEAKER_02]: But. 25:43.638 --> 25:54.496 [SPEAKER_02]: big scrum breaks out and both sides kind of this weird moment where both sides come together to fight the invaders and then decide that's not cool and just start fighting each other. 25:54.516 --> 25:59.284 [SPEAKER_02]: So it gives a three-way war where everyone's fighting two different people at the same time. 26:00.007 --> 26:08.700 [SPEAKER_02]: During the battle, Chapter Master Sartek of the Mantis Warriors is killed, and Lord Commander Ortiz of the Red Scorpion dies. 26:09.481 --> 26:15.770 [SPEAKER_02]: And, cool story, if you want to read it, it's cool where the chief librarian of the Red Scorpions makes a name for himself. 26:15.790 --> 26:22.740 [SPEAKER_02]: He, like, musters the troop and heap, single-handly leads this counter attacking, grabs his Chapter Master, and brings him back. 26:22.720 --> 26:27.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so puts up a foreshield and like throws the meals a bunch of bolts. 26:27.348 --> 26:28.790 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's this is pretty cool. 26:28.810 --> 26:32.236 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I should have mentioned by the way, if you guys want to know more about this, it's not a novel. 26:32.656 --> 26:36.002 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to get the books, it's two of the imperial armies. 26:36.022 --> 26:37.925 [SPEAKER_02]: These nine and ten are eight and nine. 26:38.386 --> 26:40.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say they're not available in print anymore. 26:40.690 --> 26:44.015 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't buy them in a store, but I mean, you could. 26:44.115 --> 26:45.758 [SPEAKER_02]: You shouldn't Google. 26:45.738 --> 26:50.064 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because it'll armor compendium nine pdf that would be wrong. 26:50.144 --> 26:51.045 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just stealing. 26:51.265 --> 26:55.190 [SPEAKER_02]: So don't do that because if you did it, there would not be a result in it. 26:55.210 --> 26:58.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no way that I currently have that up on my computer screen, but don't. 26:58.895 --> 27:02.540 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should definitely do that because it would be an IP violations. 27:02.560 --> 27:09.329 [SPEAKER_02]: So please do not Google imperial armor compendium nine pdf would be a mistake. 27:10.050 --> 27:15.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, here on escapes and leads back. 27:15.640 --> 27:24.033 [SPEAKER_02]: This equation, and what's interesting is that post inquisitor frame has to figure out what just happened. 27:24.714 --> 27:26.557 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a little bit odd. 27:26.577 --> 27:32.586 [SPEAKER_02]: We saw his view point is first he decides, this is all because forces of chaos. 27:32.566 --> 27:35.909 [SPEAKER_02]: because there are enemies of the Imperium want this war to continue. 27:36.450 --> 27:43.196 [SPEAKER_02]: So, therefore, they probably were lying in weight in an effort to prevent any sort of peace treaty. 27:43.457 --> 27:45.218 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that we've seen that in movies a lot of times. 27:46.059 --> 27:49.983 [SPEAKER_02]: But then, Frane starts to realize, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. 27:50.564 --> 27:58.592 [SPEAKER_02]: And he looks at a really key detail there, which is that maybe here on did all this, because the chapter master of the mantis warriors was there. 27:58.732 --> 28:01.054 [SPEAKER_02]: For no apparent reason, and he died. 28:01.473 --> 28:04.437 [SPEAKER_02]: The chapter mass of the lamenters and the executioners were not there. 28:04.477 --> 28:05.779 [SPEAKER_02]: So why the mantis warriors? 28:06.119 --> 28:11.306 [SPEAKER_02]: In the reason why it's because the mantis warriors were a part of your original session. 28:11.787 --> 28:14.951 [SPEAKER_02]: They agreed we want to pacify maelstrom. 28:15.391 --> 28:16.773 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to do all these things. 28:17.154 --> 28:24.163 [SPEAKER_02]: But the mantis warriors were also sitting and saying, well, I'm actually fighting now, not against the enemies of the Imperium. 28:24.243 --> 28:27.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Within the maelstrom, I'm fighting against other authorities. 28:28.338 --> 28:31.102 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is not true, man. 28:32.103 --> 28:43.399 [SPEAKER_02]: But if here on, which is what he does, by the way, tells the mantis warriors, hey, your chapter master died because the inquisition are behind the chaos attack. 28:43.680 --> 28:46.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Which, by the way, it's the collision would 100% do for the record. 28:46.844 --> 28:50.750 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason has no problem steering chaos to go kill enemies of the imperium. 28:50.910 --> 28:52.112 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not that what's the one to say. 28:52.412 --> 28:54.295 [SPEAKER_01]: They've done it before, they'll probably do it again. 28:54.275 --> 28:54.856 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 28:55.276 --> 28:59.141 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what Frane realizes is that this was all a play by Huron. 28:59.642 --> 29:03.286 [SPEAKER_02]: He needed the mantis warriors to align with him much better than they were. 29:03.326 --> 29:08.553 [SPEAKER_02]: So his opinion was that Huron was behind the chaos attack. 29:08.813 --> 29:11.817 [SPEAKER_02]: He left the head of the mantis warriors available. 29:12.378 --> 29:14.440 [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore the head of mantis warriors dies. 29:14.941 --> 29:20.407 [SPEAKER_02]: And now the mantis warriors are perfectly aligned with Huron to help continue fighting this war. 29:20.428 --> 29:21.649 [SPEAKER_02]: So from there, 29:21.629 --> 29:22.814 [SPEAKER_02]: we now have a problem. 29:22.834 --> 29:26.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem we have is this war is about to get a lot worse. 29:27.434 --> 29:30.627 [SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium goes through, they select a new. 29:31.636 --> 29:36.344 [SPEAKER_02]: The happens is the period of forces go through, they lost their Lord High Commander. 29:36.485 --> 29:37.366 [SPEAKER_02]: They make a new one. 29:37.807 --> 29:40.772 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole bit in there about the fire hawks being upset. 29:40.873 --> 29:42.055 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't one of their guys. 29:42.095 --> 29:48.426 [SPEAKER_02]: The fire hawks could not have one of their guys taken on because a fire hawks do vote 10 level grudges. 29:48.927 --> 29:51.131 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want that in your life, Lord High Commander. 29:51.572 --> 29:53.215 [SPEAKER_02]: So the next one is also a red scorpion. 29:53.576 --> 29:56.040 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not really important, but it is there. 29:56.020 --> 30:02.268 [SPEAKER_02]: The bigger piece that's important next is the failure of the parlay means they need more troops. 30:02.949 --> 30:06.494 [SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium realizes this is going to be a war. 30:06.995 --> 30:11.340 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to be able to go shape their way through it and they don't have enough stuff. 30:11.520 --> 30:13.083 [SPEAKER_02]: So they bring in two more groups. 30:13.363 --> 30:21.634 [SPEAKER_02]: The Nova Marines, an ultra-marines successor and the sons of Medusa who are an iron hand successor and a very cool paint scheme. 30:21.734 --> 30:24.778 [SPEAKER_02]: I think actually sons of Medusa are cooler than iron hands. 30:24.758 --> 30:29.384 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, the new Lord High Commander is a guy named Karab Kauln. 30:29.824 --> 30:33.008 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no IIs, C-U-L-N-N. 30:33.329 --> 30:35.291 [SPEAKER_02]: It is not easy for me to pronounce that. 30:36.332 --> 30:37.174 [SPEAKER_02]: Kauln deploys. 30:37.194 --> 30:38.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Doing so well today, buddy. 30:38.635 --> 30:40.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, rough, man. 30:40.538 --> 30:41.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of these ones. 30:41.419 --> 30:43.101 [SPEAKER_02]: It's where the Eldar Caster is here. 30:43.722 --> 30:47.687 [SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium Caster, what rip my brain to shreds of these things. 30:47.947 --> 30:48.808 [SPEAKER_02]: So, 30:49.092 --> 30:53.697 [SPEAKER_02]: any new Lord, high commander to sides, all right, we're going to just squeeze them. 30:54.197 --> 30:55.759 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to isolate the defenders. 30:56.220 --> 31:01.205 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to basically start conquesting their forces and try to whittle them down. 31:01.385 --> 31:06.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Because in his opinion, look, it's seven chapters on our side to four chapters on their side. 31:07.291 --> 31:09.414 [SPEAKER_02]: So we've got them outnumbered. 31:09.454 --> 31:15.420 [SPEAKER_02]: We should have them outnumbered. 31:16.160 --> 31:20.429 [SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium's new plan is, in effect, effort, we ball. 31:20.950 --> 31:24.839 [SPEAKER_02]: They begin attacking all the defenses of the secessionists everywhere. 31:25.781 --> 31:27.465 [SPEAKER_02]: And it goes as you'd expect. 31:27.505 --> 31:32.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, because this is, I'm gonna get my cheat together on this one. 31:33.271 --> 31:42.619 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so stupid, instead of putting other boots of mighty asskaking, they put on their hats of mighty dumb, because, yeah, this is such a terrible plan. 31:42.679 --> 31:47.213 [SPEAKER_01]: They spread out and attack all of the defenses at once. 31:47.547 --> 31:49.930 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great analogy for this. 31:49.950 --> 31:53.533 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know how the juggernaut puts his head down and runs through a bunch of walls. 31:54.414 --> 31:56.617 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what they were doing, except they weren't the juggernaut. 31:57.077 --> 31:59.360 [SPEAKER_02]: They were just running head first into walls. 31:59.460 --> 32:00.161 [SPEAKER_01]: What was that? 32:00.181 --> 32:01.842 [SPEAKER_02]: They were just screw this wall. 32:02.363 --> 32:07.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I coach this game, attack and destroy a flint. 32:07.168 --> 32:16.238 [SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of went, how about if we just throw our forces really milly at all of their defenses and do something? 32:16.758 --> 32:22.885 [SPEAKER_02]: They actually do exactly what I do when I play on tabletop if I want to annoy you, but what I just did. 32:23.125 --> 32:23.987 [SPEAKER_02]: Just pisses me. 32:24.007 --> 32:32.136 [SPEAKER_02]: For those who don't know, Brad loves the coach me and he'll give me some really good advice and I will look him by the end of the eye and say, I'm not going to do any of that. 32:32.316 --> 32:38.023 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go do it my way and then if my way works, I have to watch Sad Brad. 32:38.408 --> 32:41.612 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so dumb. 32:41.632 --> 32:44.816 [SPEAKER_02]: My pure... What the dice will just take care of you. 32:44.836 --> 32:47.019 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so ridiculous. 32:48.801 --> 32:50.783 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back after a quick break. 32:51.324 --> 33:01.817 [SPEAKER_02]: What happens next is important though, because this whole reason that they were doing this style of what is attack them all over the place and do all these things is because they felt they had this seven to four advantage. 33:01.797 --> 33:16.482 [SPEAKER_02]: What happens is the death toll start to mount the secessionist keep holding out namely the astral claws and the imperium they have records they know they're killing these guys and they're just but they still they keep coming keep coming 33:16.546 --> 33:24.320 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is where this whole war flips from pseudo civil war to crusade, basically. 33:24.721 --> 33:29.790 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the apothecaries of the astroclos is been captured and is being interrogated. 33:30.511 --> 33:38.706 [SPEAKER_02]: And I will say when we say interrogated, we're not doing good cop bad cop, we're doing 33:38.686 --> 33:46.259 [SPEAKER_02]: And this astral claw, apothecary, admits he's not an astral claw, he's a tiger claw. 33:46.439 --> 33:48.884 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my little history of Forty Kay fun note here. 33:49.705 --> 33:55.876 [SPEAKER_02]: The story of the War of the Dog is 300 pages in Imperial Armour 9 and 10, okay? 33:56.637 --> 34:01.926 [SPEAKER_02]: But it actually first appears in a book called the Warhammer Forty Kay Compendium. 34:01.906 --> 34:03.530 [SPEAKER_02]: which was released in 1989. 34:03.550 --> 34:09.183 [SPEAKER_02]: So rogue trade, we're not even, this is before second edition. 34:09.223 --> 34:15.558 [SPEAKER_02]: So at this point, Warhammer was a D20, D6, D10, D12 game. 34:16.360 --> 34:18.845 [SPEAKER_02]: It was also after Brad had graduated high school. 34:19.246 --> 34:19.948 [SPEAKER_02]: Cheers to Ray. 34:20.570 --> 34:21.371 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 34:21.391 --> 34:22.393 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know what? 34:22.934 --> 34:28.743 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna stand at the defense of this because John's notes say, every rose has its thorn. 34:28.803 --> 34:30.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Was garbage, my friend. 34:30.526 --> 34:33.751 [SPEAKER_01]: I will defend poison in all the hair bands. 34:34.171 --> 34:35.413 [SPEAKER_02]: No, this is terrible. 34:35.473 --> 34:38.939 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the same year that gave us every rose has its thorn. 34:39.360 --> 34:40.501 [SPEAKER_02]: Blame it on the rain. 34:41.022 --> 34:43.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Straight up and tell me if you would love me. 34:43.226 --> 34:44.848 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's just a call I've do all. 34:45.289 --> 34:47.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Blame it on the rain, there's millie vanillie. 34:47.232 --> 34:52.375 [SPEAKER_02]: So instead, we're going to use the lore from the Imperial, the Periodometer. 34:52.455 --> 34:54.002 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be the 2010 one. 34:54.657 --> 34:59.044 [SPEAKER_02]: Twainton, TikTok, which is a song apparently, OMG, no ID. 34:59.265 --> 35:00.607 [SPEAKER_02]: What's my name from M&M? 35:00.627 --> 35:01.568 [SPEAKER_02]: I've heard of that song. 35:01.648 --> 35:03.952 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't even quote music, I like, but I'm gonna skip that. 35:04.533 --> 35:10.062 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that was all also mostly, it's in general, the music's usually just, but anyway, tire clause. 35:10.864 --> 35:19.618 [SPEAKER_02]: Tiger clause are a successor of the Astro clause and 280 of M40, the entire chapter disappears into the warp. 35:20.105 --> 35:25.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Now let's say why they just, they're all gone, and the Imperium marks them as a lost chapter. 35:26.694 --> 35:41.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, they reemerged 686 AD, so little over, right about 400 years later, a single strike cruiser reappears in the material with about 100 marines on it, and they thought they don't remain gone for a couple months. 35:42.715 --> 35:47.682 [SPEAKER_02]: So really solid event horizon type scenario here without the 35:48.607 --> 35:55.039 [SPEAKER_02]: their captain at the time, the story is went back to Terra to ask for their gene seed. 35:55.079 --> 35:56.202 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's a hey, we're here. 35:56.262 --> 35:57.564 [SPEAKER_02]: We are still loyal. 35:57.584 --> 35:58.887 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to rebuild our chapter. 35:59.548 --> 36:00.710 [SPEAKER_02]: He never got there. 36:00.730 --> 36:06.902 [SPEAKER_02]: What did happen was here on Thound of them and he began folding them into his own legion. 36:06.882 --> 36:10.069 [SPEAKER_02]: taking in, adding the tiger claws into his astro claws. 36:10.430 --> 36:16.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Not, and what I say for them, I don't mean he would put the tiger claws as a one like chapter within his chapter. 36:16.744 --> 36:21.595 [SPEAKER_02]: He did, he actually would take like one, one tiger claw and put it with a squad over there. 36:21.695 --> 36:22.677 [SPEAKER_02]: Another with a squad of it. 36:22.838 --> 36:24.722 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually spread them all the way out. 36:24.702 --> 36:33.340 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what pause on this because we're talking about the intergalactic bad ideas that have been happening. 36:33.961 --> 36:39.152 [SPEAKER_01]: This what is so crazy because you just took the entire crew from event horizon. 36:39.172 --> 36:39.994 [SPEAKER_01]: It just went 36:40.362 --> 36:41.523 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll guys have a problem. 36:41.543 --> 36:43.045 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys look well balanced. 36:43.465 --> 36:47.609 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just put one of you everywhere and see what happens. 36:47.829 --> 36:51.453 [SPEAKER_01]: These guys just spent 400 years in the warp. 36:51.473 --> 36:54.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, let's just nobody even ask him any questions. 36:55.196 --> 36:56.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Sling him back into service. 36:57.018 --> 36:59.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't even file up and see if anything's happening. 37:00.602 --> 37:01.883 [SPEAKER_01]: This may sound like a joke. 37:02.223 --> 37:04.085 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what happens. 37:04.706 --> 37:04.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 37:05.486 --> 37:10.251 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is all come from the guy 37:10.872 --> 37:15.281 [SPEAKER_01]: Braille, that's just a great, nothing but success. 37:15.722 --> 37:19.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Kobe, swish, nothing but net, baby. 37:19.449 --> 37:24.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God, yeah, so this becomes a bit of an issue. 37:24.700 --> 37:28.408 [SPEAKER_02]: Here on, and the tire claws are spreading to a person who leaves no around. 37:29.069 --> 37:30.552 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the, 37:30.532 --> 37:35.138 [SPEAKER_02]: with clever about this is it makes it hard to keep track of the size of the legion. 37:35.619 --> 37:41.206 [SPEAKER_02]: So by spraying them around, and if you're at war, this has a bit of a black templar-esque effect to it. 37:41.626 --> 37:55.985 [SPEAKER_02]: Where we don't know how many black templars there are, we're pretty sure it's over a hundred thousand, and making them the largest legion in the entire galaxy, and they're not a legion, they're a chapter, so oopsies, that's what occurs here. 37:56.505 --> 37:58.648 [SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time though, 37:58.628 --> 38:04.180 [SPEAKER_02]: that tiger claws and the astro claws are replicating quickly. 38:04.460 --> 38:09.872 [SPEAKER_02]: They are doing as much marine gene seed of, where we call it, we shouldn't have known this. 38:09.892 --> 38:10.232 [SPEAKER_02]: What's that? 38:10.954 --> 38:11.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 38:12.136 --> 38:16.806 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what happens is this large, the astro claws end up sitting, 38:16.988 --> 38:22.517 [SPEAKER_02]: around 35 hundred marines, which is three and a half full chapters. 38:23.078 --> 38:29.469 [SPEAKER_02]: So this whole seven to four advantage that the Imperium thought they had was actually a seven to seven tie. 38:30.191 --> 38:35.560 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you're talking about warfare, the defenders almost always have the advantage. 38:35.920 --> 38:36.822 [SPEAKER_02]: So is your eating? 38:37.223 --> 38:38.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Be technical, it's more of it. 38:38.845 --> 38:40.448 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a seven point five to seven. 38:41.390 --> 38:48.479 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're giving up great to 7.5 to 7 and the 7.5 are heavily fortified, making this whole thing rough. 38:48.519 --> 38:52.524 [SPEAKER_02]: So now the inquisition discovers this and everything flips on its head. 38:53.185 --> 38:54.948 [SPEAKER_02]: This is now heresy. 38:55.729 --> 39:03.138 [SPEAKER_02]: Good news about heresy is when you find heresy a lot more forces can be deployed, because this is no longer in this understanding. 39:03.198 --> 39:06.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Hats go on backwards, things start going down. 39:06.162 --> 39:11.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, this is the when you're playing with your games, this is the lean forward moment with the fight of the game. 39:12.376 --> 39:17.547 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing this and Quisitor Frane puts out the call and says we need more. 39:18.109 --> 39:22.298 [SPEAKER_02]: What happens is importantly, who shows up to this call? 39:22.396 --> 39:28.869 [SPEAKER_02]: The first one, and guys, I promise we're gonna do a cast on them, because I will be probably upcoming very soon, is the Minotars. 39:29.250 --> 39:35.323 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Minotars are, the Minotars are people you don't want showing up. 39:35.343 --> 39:38.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they anti-spaced breeds, space breeds. 39:38.309 --> 39:42.136 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the minitars are super cool and we're going to cast them because they're super cool. 39:42.156 --> 39:44.640 [SPEAKER_02]: They are a fully fleet-based space marine lesion. 39:45.221 --> 39:55.660 [SPEAKER_02]: They have no founding chapter, they have no founding date, not because they don't have those because it's so locked away that even the inquisition doesn't know who these guys are. 39:55.640 --> 39:59.688 [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, and we said locked away, I mean the actual locked away not the usual GW locked away. 39:59.708 --> 40:03.196 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's an incredible secret, but here's 42 pages on the secret. 40:04.278 --> 40:05.701 [SPEAKER_02]: And fully detailing all of it. 40:06.061 --> 40:09.028 [SPEAKER_02]: We actually don't know them as other one of the cool mystery chapters. 40:09.889 --> 40:12.094 [SPEAKER_02]: And they don't suffer any fools. 40:12.595 --> 40:14.138 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not talkers either. 40:14.573 --> 40:18.077 [SPEAKER_02]: No, they wage a brutal style of warfare. 40:18.477 --> 40:20.660 [SPEAKER_02]: They are, they're effectively the first Legion. 40:21.080 --> 40:32.572 [SPEAKER_02]: If you really want to dive into what they are, they are the modern 40K version of the, where the Dark Angels originally were, which makes sense when you realize that they may have a direct tie to the lords of terror. 40:32.913 --> 40:34.955 [SPEAKER_01]: They 100% have a direct tie to the lords of terror. 40:35.135 --> 40:36.757 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know how the tie works. 40:36.797 --> 40:38.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, they did. 40:38.659 --> 40:39.180 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:39.200 --> 40:40.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Which means I don't like them that much. 40:41.017 --> 40:47.133 [SPEAKER_02]: What happens next is the menetars decided treat this as a sassionist, the way of a suvious treated the people of Pompeii. 40:47.555 --> 40:51.465 [SPEAKER_01]: This was so made made the son of her. 40:52.171 --> 40:53.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a great wine country. 40:53.993 --> 40:57.016 [SPEAKER_02]: It is some amazing wine right now, but that's the side note. 40:57.036 --> 41:03.203 [SPEAKER_02]: But they come hurdling into the system, calling a head to a paraphrasing, who's asked do we kick first? 41:03.984 --> 41:05.065 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they do. 41:05.265 --> 41:13.134 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say some of the asses they kicked were totally independent worlds who were just between where the minitars were, and where the minitars were going. 41:13.494 --> 41:16.778 [SPEAKER_02]: If you've never seen the family guy roadhouse, 41:16.758 --> 41:23.427 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of that that's how the Mid-Tars is just yelling roadhouse and running through a system 41:24.706 --> 41:26.930 [SPEAKER_02]: It is brutal, by the way. 41:26.990 --> 41:27.791 [SPEAKER_02]: They come in. 41:28.172 --> 41:36.245 [SPEAKER_02]: They hit some secessionist holdings just full blown exterminatizing the planets under the guise of the concern that heresy had spread. 41:36.265 --> 41:40.131 [SPEAKER_02]: They labeled every world in the bedop sector as heretical. 41:40.371 --> 41:42.034 [SPEAKER_02]: I just start going, well, they're all heretics. 41:42.455 --> 41:45.820 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is why we're eventually going to do a cast on them. 41:45.860 --> 41:49.566 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was doing research these guys just the other day because I knew we were going to bring them up. 41:49.546 --> 41:53.433 [SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't like the time they did this. 41:53.474 --> 41:56.700 [SPEAKER_01]: This is their just modus operand. 41:56.720 --> 41:57.501 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just a 100%. 41:58.002 --> 41:58.543 [SPEAKER_02]: What they knew. 41:58.583 --> 42:00.547 [SPEAKER_02]: They weren't they weren't caught in a bad day. 42:00.868 --> 42:04.635 [SPEAKER_02]: This was literally they're like, this is how they flipped open the 42:04.615 --> 42:28.480 [SPEAKER_02]: the manual it went alright page one looks like collateral damage is that the whole page one yeah just kill every gotty man it's okay kill everything to the point where other chapters have always steered clear the men at the house because they know when they get going they'll just blow your ship up to if you're in the way so what heads up happening is commander Colin how to 42:28.460 --> 42:40.897 [SPEAKER_02]: put the minitars in the southern bit or the bottom bit as I like to call it and just say hey guys go ham down there because I can't have you near the rest of the forces because you keep taking out loyalists while you're at it. 42:40.937 --> 42:54.535 [SPEAKER_02]: And so minitars are just having the time of their lives just going nuts and then they run into the executioners and the executioners have a very similar style they like. 42:54.515 --> 42:56.598 [SPEAKER_02]: hardcore melee combat. 42:56.618 --> 43:02.926 [SPEAKER_02]: They're both effectively black templar in the way that they want to wage war of like if you hit me I hit you like it's the old. 43:03.306 --> 43:06.050 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it don't no stone fry versus I forget the guy's name. 43:06.931 --> 43:08.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Greatest fight of all time. 43:08.573 --> 43:11.237 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what these two end up doing. 43:11.537 --> 43:13.479 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're for those you don't have time out. 43:13.500 --> 43:19.307 [SPEAKER_02]: If you've ever seen Looney Tunes with a fight breaks out they're just a big 43:19.287 --> 43:22.911 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the minitose and executioners just start doing that to each other. 43:23.912 --> 43:29.679 [SPEAKER_02]: While this is going on though, this level of conflict and a sector starts bringing attention. 43:30.200 --> 43:32.162 [SPEAKER_02]: The first one it brings is Orcs. 43:33.043 --> 43:36.728 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where an orconvasion occurs also in the sector. 43:36.748 --> 43:37.729 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even an orgonized. 43:37.849 --> 43:41.413 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's click that again because we really glossed over there with a quickness. 43:41.562 --> 43:44.768 [SPEAKER_01]: That a year passes in this point. 43:44.988 --> 43:46.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 43:46.110 --> 43:50.939 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like these guys didn't show up and like we had a Donny Brook and everything was done. 43:50.979 --> 43:55.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is a year of aggression and like hard core aggression. 43:55.805 --> 44:19.652 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the orcs say good fight no over here and they show up to both fight and to loot their two favorite things more importantly, this is what's interesting chaos so any level of conflict will draw the attention of the dark gods suddenly within the secessionist rebellions wasn't on the inside the secession held territories you start seeing heretics 44:19.919 --> 44:34.941 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is, I find it, I think this is really fascinating because as we said later, I admit it, here on becomes sure on block art, he becomes a chaos lord later, but we don't know when that happens and what's interesting is that these chaos forces appear. 44:34.921 --> 44:37.344 [SPEAKER_02]: and they begin attacking Huron's forces. 44:37.985 --> 44:41.670 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's this question of, was he at Chaos this point? 44:41.811 --> 44:44.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Most likely this is Chaos trying to move him over to them. 44:44.454 --> 44:46.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, all right, we went win quick, nudge nudge. 44:46.738 --> 44:48.801 [SPEAKER_02]: Now let's shove off the cliff and let's get going. 44:49.101 --> 44:56.271 [SPEAKER_02]: But this whole conflict now becomes like all GW conflicts multifaceted multiparty. 44:57.162 --> 45:02.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, all this gets a lot nastier in 908 of M-41. 45:02.451 --> 45:04.314 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the third year of the conflict. 45:05.395 --> 45:10.744 [SPEAKER_02]: The lamenters chapter are busy preparing themselves for an attack on Imperial forces. 45:11.505 --> 45:16.133 [SPEAKER_02]: The miniatars find out about it and attack the fleet themselves. 45:16.113 --> 45:21.823 [SPEAKER_02]: and it basically a day of fighting, non-stop fighting the miniatars subdue the lamenters. 45:22.304 --> 45:26.250 [SPEAKER_02]: They accept their surrender of the 100 left. 45:26.270 --> 45:26.972 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't start at that. 45:26.992 --> 45:31.860 [SPEAKER_01]: Which I'm still actually surprised that the miniatars had to break prisoners in the first place but continue. 45:32.583 --> 45:38.373 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a fair point and they put them back and they say, okay, you guys will be judged when the war is over Which we'll get too later. 45:38.393 --> 45:43.942 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the cool things they did was as they captured people They didn't judge them at that moment in time. 45:44.002 --> 45:47.568 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, all right, let's just see Let's get to the absolute bottom what's going on. 45:47.829 --> 45:50.473 [SPEAKER_02]: We're probably gonna execute all of you, but let's just make sure 45:51.449 --> 46:00.762 [SPEAKER_02]: Now with the this though is big though because now they are down at chapter and the loss of one of their allies a Session is start to go in the back foot. 46:00.782 --> 46:06.931 [SPEAKER_02]: They have to move into more of a gorilla tactic style war because they have to whittle away at the Imperium now. 46:07.872 --> 46:08.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're on. 46:08.874 --> 46:10.656 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you're on. 46:10.636 --> 46:13.239 [SPEAKER_02]: It starts to get pretty down in the story. 46:13.259 --> 46:15.941 [SPEAKER_02]: He starts, it's just what he was more evidently case. 46:15.961 --> 46:20.586 [SPEAKER_01]: He also starts eroding his name of the tyrant of Badaeb. 46:21.327 --> 46:39.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if this, because anybody that isn't with him or even mentions like two guys in a coffee shop say we might not support this war, he just starts blowing everybody up because he goes, I don't want, he just scorched earth, but scorched earth with full 46:40.066 --> 46:47.099 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this becomes a huge issue for all the planets there because you have here on saying you're going to submit to me and if you don't submit to me, I'm going to burn your planet to the ground. 46:47.720 --> 46:54.413 [SPEAKER_02]: And they go, maybe the imperium will come save us, but the issues, the imperiums also burning planets out to the ground. 46:54.562 --> 46:55.063 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 46:55.083 --> 46:56.064 [SPEAKER_02]: And all this comes. 46:56.084 --> 46:59.789 [SPEAKER_02]: So a good example of this is the world of Galen. 46:59.809 --> 47:02.432 [SPEAKER_02]: And this world had done nothing wrong. 47:02.492 --> 47:04.795 [SPEAKER_02]: It just happened to be in between these two forces. 47:05.676 --> 47:11.283 [SPEAKER_02]: The space marine legions were fighting this assessionist on this planet a number of times throughout the world. 47:11.303 --> 47:13.026 [SPEAKER_02]: The planet was strategically valuable. 47:13.046 --> 47:14.187 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't so much a resource thing. 47:14.207 --> 47:17.211 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a base of operations, etc. 47:17.191 --> 47:27.866 [SPEAKER_02]: And to the populist itself, we're just like F. This noise and they were no medic, just they bailed on all the cities and just kind of wandering around to just try to avoid the space marines. 47:28.828 --> 47:34.436 [SPEAKER_02]: The sons of Medusa are to said, all right, go to this planet and claim it for the Imperium once and for all. 47:34.736 --> 47:39.503 [SPEAKER_02]: And the sons of Medusa just decide, no problem boss, I got this. 47:39.483 --> 47:41.145 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's give it what it's going on. 47:41.185 --> 47:43.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about what they were actually said to do. 47:44.110 --> 47:46.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Get the planet back into compliance. 47:46.673 --> 47:49.598 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, get everybody back in the Imperium. 47:50.038 --> 47:52.342 [SPEAKER_01]: How do they think the best way to do this? 47:52.922 --> 47:58.490 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's lead a stealth murder campaign across the entire planet. 47:58.511 --> 47:59.933 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say you use the word stealth. 48:00.213 --> 48:02.576 [SPEAKER_02]: They were jumping down in much jumping. 48:02.596 --> 48:03.838 [SPEAKER_02]: They were using drop pods. 48:03.858 --> 48:04.519 [SPEAKER_02]: Go down there. 48:04.539 --> 48:08.545 [SPEAKER_02]: And then wandering around with Shane Swords just killing everybody. 48:08.525 --> 48:22.583 [SPEAKER_01]: It was stealthy for the Marines, but they were just showing up places, I mean, you remember you're wondering through a plane doing a lot of nothing with your, the group of people. 48:22.603 --> 48:31.495 [SPEAKER_02]: But the part that I find funny about this is the final outcome that is they subject the planet and then they turn the entire planet into a penal colony. 48:31.576 --> 48:44.674 [SPEAKER_02]: And they saying, everyone on this planet and all of your offspring forever are just going to work for the Imperium in this penal colony because your planet was kind of near this assessionist. 48:45.498 --> 48:53.450 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he sounds bad, wait for it, he gets, hold it, there's more, oh, it's so much worse. 48:53.890 --> 49:13.159 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, then we get to end, sorry, then we get to 910 of them 41, in which case a fleet arrives in the edge of the conflict using, and this is what they say, an ancient but still valid imperial code, they are there to offer support and aid the imperial forces, it's the car caradons. 49:13.139 --> 49:16.773 [SPEAKER_02]: which means things are about to suck for the secessionists. 49:17.737 --> 49:19.283 [SPEAKER_01]: And not just suck, but it's going to suck. 49:19.765 --> 49:23.841 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be real up close and personal when it sucks, because that's what the cracker and odds do. 49:24.361 --> 49:47.365 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, what I like though, the others bit is that the force commander Tiberis presents himself to inquisitor Frane with these rits and titles showing that look, we have a right to fight with the imperiums we're here in front of here, and Frane is looking at these things showing like, hey man, the signature on this, I've heard of this guy because I read about him in a book because he's been dead for 5,000 years, like, 49:47.345 --> 49:52.956 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's legitimate to the point where I could actually imagine frame just think, hey, can I keep this for a minute? 49:52.996 --> 49:54.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is actually kind of a cool artifact. 49:55.602 --> 49:58.528 [SPEAKER_02]: Frame then presents the car carried on to call in the high commander. 49:58.588 --> 50:01.333 [SPEAKER_02]: He vouches for him saying, look, all their paperwork checks out. 50:01.413 --> 50:01.954 [SPEAKER_02]: They're good. 50:02.496 --> 50:03.678 [SPEAKER_02]: And cones like, all right. 50:03.698 --> 50:05.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks for the assist. 50:05.873 --> 50:08.116 [SPEAKER_02]: but I've never even heard of you guys before. 50:08.176 --> 50:15.125 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna have you go over there, and by over there, he means mantis warriors. 50:15.866 --> 50:25.018 [SPEAKER_02]: And the mantis warriors are very good at guerrilla warfare and they've been making buddhab into this horrible killing field. 50:25.178 --> 50:32.108 [SPEAKER_02]: Every chapter enters the mantis warrior section, get pinned down and take massive losses to really no gain. 50:32.448 --> 50:33.990 [SPEAKER_02]: And it goes cool. 50:33.970 --> 50:55.506 [SPEAKER_02]: just you wait because remember the car car don't look weird they've got black eyes they don't really speak in a whisper it's like look you guys get me the willies for lack of a better phrase you go deal with this crap and if you all die I don't really care I love this planning though so the manus warriors are fighting this total guerrilla warfare you can't pin them down because they just don't 50:56.718 --> 50:58.280 [SPEAKER_01]: try to hold any ground. 50:58.540 --> 51:03.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody tries to take their crown, they kill them, and then they leave, and they're not fortified that I'm making defenses. 51:03.985 --> 51:07.769 [SPEAKER_01]: The Carcara Donts go, I got a great plan boss. 51:08.289 --> 51:20.461 [SPEAKER_01]: What we're gonna do is murder everybody, takes slaves and just draw the manus warriors out by just being the damn worst ever. 51:21.162 --> 51:24.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys, the space sharks are so awful. 51:24.308 --> 51:33.199 [SPEAKER_02]: They effectively do a chaos style invasion where they go and see every world here, we're just going to either everyone on this world dies or is our slave now. 51:33.679 --> 51:42.730 [SPEAKER_02]: And they do this one towards the mantis warriors are like screw this crap, we're putting this down, but the problem with the mantis warriors is that they're nowhere near full strength. 51:42.750 --> 51:45.553 [SPEAKER_02]: And the car caradons are at absolute full strength. 51:45.854 --> 51:49.438 [SPEAKER_02]: So the mantis warriors go into this rapid strike and fade. 51:49.418 --> 52:02.558 [SPEAKER_02]: But the car carried on's due to and it's pretty quickly before the car carried on's just turned a tide and effectively they don't wipe out the mantis warriors, but they bring your numbers down so low that the mantis warriors no longer matter for the rest of the war. 52:03.179 --> 52:11.271 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the mantis warriors are now out and the car carried on's then get deployed to the bedop sector and again just here go ravage worlds over there. 52:11.472 --> 52:12.473 [SPEAKER_02]: And the 52:12.453 --> 52:20.630 [SPEAKER_02]: The irony is that this whole thing they just did here where they were wiping out worlds and taking slaves is not the thing they're most known for from this conflict. 52:21.231 --> 52:26.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, man, you just, they didn't want to pull a hammy before they really got to the atrocities. 52:27.324 --> 52:32.976 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh god, so the next big part of the war is on the world of shot. 52:32.956 --> 52:35.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Sharp Prius, Shack Prius, whatever. 52:36.383 --> 52:46.883 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a federal world that orbits a binary star, which means it's two stars, and this doesn't work by the way, but as far as being habitable, this is just all gravity challenges. 52:47.043 --> 52:47.404 [SPEAKER_02]: But... 52:48.380 --> 53:16.986 [SPEAKER_02]: the salamanders approach a secessionist world and they find it just a nightmare right above the world is this weird hodgepodge style fleet that's just scavenging vessels and building this thing up on the world below they can in this case their scanners worked because they always work or don't work there's no middle ground by the way and they can actually think you need to solve the can all the way back to terror or can't see ten feet 53:16.966 --> 53:17.627 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. 53:17.667 --> 53:21.513 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, why would we have windows to work against the guests? 53:21.533 --> 53:28.084 [SPEAKER_02]: But they scan down and the feral people of the world are being outfitted for war. 53:28.465 --> 53:31.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Not like hey, a game of pointier spear, they're getting injections. 53:32.031 --> 53:34.755 [SPEAKER_02]: They are turning into super warriors. 53:34.735 --> 53:54.165 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they make a call out in the Salamanders and the Minotars attack this work, because they're recognized, this is basically chaos, as soon as they get down there, they learn the hard way that those Pharaoh warriors that they're sawing being done up are done up a lot more than they thought, effectively pseudo space marine level. 53:54.285 --> 53:57.570 [SPEAKER_02]: I would put a maybe almost under warrior ask, and 53:57.550 --> 54:05.720 [SPEAKER_02]: But they're not just going to mainly, they're also going to get a ranged combat because the astro claws were hidden in the area and training them. 54:05.740 --> 54:19.558 [SPEAKER_02]: So this great attack that they thought was going to wipe out this problematic world turns on its head and the militares and the salamanders are like on the back foot for lack of a better phrase. 54:20.838 --> 54:29.790 [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, the minitars and salamanders get to the central part that they take massive losses and they get into the central complex. 54:30.631 --> 54:38.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Once they break into the central complex, that's why they discover the true really kind of depravity that the Astral Clause had come down to. 54:38.801 --> 54:43.808 [SPEAKER_02]: In this, they've found a ton of stolen gene seed, taken from 54:43.788 --> 54:45.692 [SPEAKER_02]: the imperial space marine. 54:45.732 --> 54:56.376 [SPEAKER_02]: So they were stealing the gene seed from salamanders from miniatars from all of them and they made a laboratory and they're effectively creating pseudo space marine. 54:56.396 --> 54:57.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're doing these prisoners. 54:58.000 --> 55:01.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're doing these amalgamation, these abominations. 55:01.878 --> 55:09.309 [SPEAKER_01]: of space marine and anything I could get my hands on and genetically slap in with they don't really go into it. 55:09.329 --> 55:11.792 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way this isn't wild sorcery. 55:11.952 --> 55:12.733 [SPEAKER_01]: Also do well. 55:12.753 --> 55:15.277 [SPEAKER_02]: This is it for sure. 55:15.738 --> 55:18.201 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so they grab what they can here and they leave. 55:18.522 --> 55:19.803 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a wild sorcery. 55:19.924 --> 55:21.406 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge heresy, too. 55:21.486 --> 55:23.008 [SPEAKER_01]: This gets everybody fired up. 55:23.613 --> 55:29.783 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really clear if they actually defeated the forces in shepherds or if they left. 55:29.803 --> 55:35.151 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a part when I read it, not a hundred percent on, but all I know is they take it and they leave. 55:35.752 --> 55:37.515 [SPEAKER_02]: They make the translation to warp. 55:38.196 --> 55:44.166 [SPEAKER_02]: While in the warp, the salamander ship itself runs into a really bad warp storm and gets stuck. 55:44.226 --> 55:47.511 [SPEAKER_02]: They have to translate back out of the warp. 55:47.491 --> 56:03.256 [SPEAKER_01]: This is 100% cash God, not cool and not cool, because they get a warp storm that goes, you guys need to get off the expressway right now, and what's outside the expressway, John? 56:04.558 --> 56:06.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the astroclos and the executioner fleets. 56:07.503 --> 56:09.085 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just standing there waiting. 56:09.246 --> 56:15.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just look up and go, oh, not cool dude, not cool. 56:15.470 --> 56:32.719 [SPEAKER_02]: what happens next does the executioners actually get to the ship first they board it and the executioners come take the ship and they tell us salamanders they offer them a deal they say we're going to offer you what's called the rights of surrender under this we will take you out of the war zone 56:32.918 --> 56:37.423 [SPEAKER_02]: But if we do this, you have to agree to no longer fight in this war. 56:37.543 --> 56:38.984 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to surrender to us. 56:39.205 --> 56:40.125 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just going to leave. 56:40.146 --> 56:41.527 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's the old, you don't have to go home. 56:41.547 --> 56:42.408 [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't stay here. 56:42.448 --> 56:44.770 [SPEAKER_02]: The salamanders accept this. 56:45.451 --> 56:51.657 [SPEAKER_02]: And, but while they start moving that way out of nowhere, the astro claws attack the vessel. 56:52.018 --> 56:56.262 [SPEAKER_02]: And actually, coming to the vessel, they start looking, looting for gene seed. 56:56.282 --> 56:58.244 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the reason we just described. 56:58.805 --> 57:01.828 [SPEAKER_02]: The executioners are watching us saying, 57:01.808 --> 57:05.453 [SPEAKER_02]: These guys just offered you to attack them. 57:06.134 --> 57:06.875 [SPEAKER_02]: This is huge. 57:06.895 --> 57:10.140 [SPEAKER_02]: So now the executioners attack the astral claws. 57:10.560 --> 57:15.728 [SPEAKER_02]: And they start having this big fight inside of it, which I do find kind of funny. 57:15.788 --> 57:17.731 [SPEAKER_02]: These two are fighting and it's that scene in the movie. 57:17.751 --> 57:19.553 [SPEAKER_02]: We're like the two bad guys are fighting. 57:19.613 --> 57:21.877 [SPEAKER_02]: The good guys just go, so do we just sneak out now? 57:22.417 --> 57:23.799 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's what I'm going to do. 57:23.819 --> 57:25.342 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to be the sailor, but it's just good. 57:25.362 --> 57:29.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing to see here is just going to walk away slowly. 57:30.817 --> 57:32.278 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're just like, all right. 57:32.298 --> 57:33.780 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they actually escape. 57:34.300 --> 57:42.208 [SPEAKER_02]: But what's, and this is going to matter more later, when the salamanders get back to the Imperium, they tell them all the stuff they just discovered with the stolen gene seed, all these things. 57:42.709 --> 57:47.133 [SPEAKER_02]: But more important, they tell them, hey, the executioners are not heretics. 57:47.594 --> 57:55.401 [SPEAKER_02]: The executioners offered us the rights of surrender and they honored it, and they fought with their allies to defend us with this. 57:56.022 --> 57:59.305 [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to come up later. 57:59.285 --> 58:04.390 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get back to the secessionists because now there's not it's no longer plural. 58:04.611 --> 58:18.625 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's yeah, it is it is the actual it also I love a year on black iron puts out a message to the entire system Lord, you mungus from road warrior style. 58:18.645 --> 58:19.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is great. 58:19.947 --> 58:21.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody escapes alive. 58:21.128 --> 58:22.930 [SPEAKER_01]: I promise you. 58:22.910 --> 58:30.145 [SPEAKER_02]: He, his whole recorded message comes out claiming the Astral Clause are no longer the subject of the Imperium of mankind. 58:30.506 --> 58:34.014 [SPEAKER_02]: This is now, they are now truly seceding. 58:34.475 --> 58:37.982 [SPEAKER_02]: They are independent, they are full-blown heretics. 58:37.962 --> 58:45.012 [SPEAKER_02]: and then he moves to enact this brutal campaign of control, telling the astral clause pacify every single world. 58:45.352 --> 58:54.605 [SPEAKER_02]: And the stories here are gross, where the astral clause enact rules where if a citizen of one of the world looks a spaceman in the eye, they will be blinded. 58:55.286 --> 58:57.128 [SPEAKER_02]: If they do, they do, they do. 58:57.148 --> 58:58.230 [SPEAKER_02]: They're torturing them. 58:58.250 --> 59:01.354 [SPEAKER_02]: If there's people up on heads on spikes, all that stuff. 59:02.431 --> 59:18.296 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the issue with that, though, is that, as angry as he is, the imperium are furious now, because now they know they are fighting chaos, and it's one of their own became chaos. 59:18.316 --> 59:23.504 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the thing is, the people who turned to chaos 10,000 years ago obviously they want to kill them. 59:23.824 --> 59:26.228 [SPEAKER_02]: But someone turned to chaos last week. 59:26.208 --> 59:29.413 [SPEAKER_02]: this even almost, you're almost more angry about that. 59:29.433 --> 59:31.696 [SPEAKER_02]: So they decide, all right, we're going. 59:32.136 --> 59:36.723 [SPEAKER_02]: The first place they target is Pyreus, which is a world on the edge of the system. 59:37.304 --> 59:49.061 [SPEAKER_02]: It's heavily fortified, and it gives the Imperium a route into the Badab sector, because I think you had to do with, it's got a really nice, like warp jump is right there. 59:49.141 --> 59:52.806 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a kind of a 59:52.786 --> 59:56.310 [SPEAKER_01]: because as usual, these planets aren't stationary. 59:56.371 --> 59:58.453 [SPEAKER_01]: See, oh, he's wonder about it. 59:58.473 --> 59:59.655 [SPEAKER_01]: We had to go this certain way. 59:59.675 --> 01:00:02.538 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, this is orbiting a sun, man. 01:00:02.578 --> 01:00:03.600 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of space. 01:00:03.940 --> 01:00:08.406 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the whole point of the wisdom is supposed to be a nice warp jump exit. 01:00:08.426 --> 01:00:12.631 [SPEAKER_02]: So the young appearing brings a full six companies to this battle. 01:00:12.832 --> 01:00:15.315 [SPEAKER_02]: They warp in and they just go after it. 01:00:15.355 --> 01:00:17.157 [SPEAKER_02]: They attack the world. 01:00:17.137 --> 01:00:38.069 [SPEAKER_02]: once they hit the world though, it's going pretty well and then they hit get a little closer and a little closer and then the astro clause wants their counterattack because the defenses they have are almost too much for the imperium naval force, like they're defensive force field, so they had to use a space marine assault on the planet to actually get anywhere. 01:00:38.810 --> 01:00:40.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Once they get there, 01:00:40.272 --> 01:01:00.610 [SPEAKER_01]: that's when the hidden orbital guns because again scanning from space didn't work like only look six pages with being perfect yeah i was gonna say yeah everything's going perfect also these guns are hidden but they're explained it just be gigantic so like scanning the planet could have been yeah 01:01:00.590 --> 01:01:14.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Ted, looking out when, man, there's a gun right there, there's another one right there, there's another one right there, you're like, man, so glad we have Ted looking out the window as opposed to our high-tech scanners. 01:01:15.575 --> 01:01:28.630 [SPEAKER_02]: at the same time, while this conflict now explodes in the planet, here on appears behind everybody, here on his whole fleet warping on the backside, because again, GW rating. 01:01:29.250 --> 01:01:37.920 [SPEAKER_02]: And so now this whole big battle blows up, and if you want to read this guys, it's like 20 pages, it is well written, but it's 20 pages of this. 01:01:37.900 --> 01:01:39.143 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually really fun. 01:01:39.724 --> 01:01:55.842 [SPEAKER_02]: It is very fun, but I can't tell as well as it's written, but the part that matters is that here on and Colin for no reason, so that the two heads of the two armies somehow end up fighting each other and no point did Napoleon fight any, any. 01:01:55.822 --> 01:01:59.849 [SPEAKER_02]: leader of the Prussians, the English, or anyone hand a hand. 01:02:00.090 --> 01:02:01.673 [SPEAKER_02]: He was always in the back. 01:02:02.093 --> 01:02:02.835 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you do. 01:02:02.875 --> 01:02:06.301 [SPEAKER_02]: But now these guys went up front and Colin and here on get into a fight. 01:02:06.702 --> 01:02:14.596 [SPEAKER_02]: At one point, I believe to the power clause, Colin barely survives and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:02:15.017 --> 01:02:18.403 [SPEAKER_02]: So, then they go their separate lives. 01:02:19.295 --> 01:02:28.054 [SPEAKER_02]: here on goes back to the bedab sector and colon has to lick his wounds and get the imperial forces ready to go. 01:02:29.557 --> 01:02:35.430 [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of, because the challenge that happens now is as this war is progressed. 01:02:35.495 --> 01:02:41.586 [SPEAKER_02]: They've successfully whittled down the secessionists from four to one. 01:02:41.606 --> 01:02:44.130 [SPEAKER_02]: The secessionists are holding a very small sector. 01:02:44.551 --> 01:02:46.254 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the badab sector. 01:02:46.274 --> 01:02:49.239 [SPEAKER_02]: And they've proven that the secessionists are actually heretics. 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:54.769 [SPEAKER_02]: So everything here checks a box of go-time. 01:02:55.002 --> 01:03:01.770 [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is that this is the exact same moment that the rest of the Imperium really catches fire. 01:03:01.790 --> 01:03:03.673 [SPEAKER_02]: There are no reinforcements left. 01:03:03.733 --> 01:03:07.778 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they are told basically figure yourselves. 01:03:08.338 --> 01:03:09.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and go deal with this. 01:03:10.321 --> 01:03:15.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the astral clause at the same time also realize, this is the end, guys. 01:03:15.527 --> 01:03:17.850 [SPEAKER_02]: But we can take a bunch of them with us. 01:03:18.811 --> 01:03:22.596 [SPEAKER_02]: And they start fortifying Badaab even further and further. 01:03:23.437 --> 01:03:26.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we're at the moment where you have to do something. 01:03:26.224 --> 01:03:27.367 [SPEAKER_02]: They can't just surround them. 01:03:27.407 --> 01:03:29.532 [SPEAKER_02]: They've got to go kill here on he as a heretic. 01:03:30.675 --> 01:03:35.668 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hate the writing that occurs next with a passion of a thousand sons. 01:03:36.470 --> 01:03:40.821 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to go attack a dab and they realize they have to get rid of the ring as steel. 01:03:41.290 --> 01:04:04.868 [SPEAKER_02]: and the ring of steel is an impenetrable fortress that no one could ever get past except bad guys have the bad guy and sure on is convinced that someone's going to betray him and the entirety of the ring of steel I guess is controlled by one it's I don't know okay I like the story quite a bit but I do hate this part because 01:04:04.848 --> 01:04:11.194 [SPEAKER_01]: The entirety of the ring of steel is effectively on one TV remote control. 01:04:11.555 --> 01:04:12.956 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if it's a TV remote control. 01:04:12.996 --> 01:04:16.240 [SPEAKER_01]: It might be on like, you're, I was up for your cars. 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.203 [SPEAKER_02]: That was, yeah, I thought it was one blackberry. 01:04:19.723 --> 01:04:20.364 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's ready to go. 01:04:20.504 --> 01:04:29.573 [SPEAKER_02]: And the guy with the blackberry is just sitting on not on a planet, but actually on one of the stations that are part of the ring of steel. 01:04:30.262 --> 01:04:33.826 [SPEAKER_02]: And, but the issue is, it's a very well-defended ringer's to ugly heat. 01:04:33.866 --> 01:04:35.187 [SPEAKER_02]: This part of the story, I'm sorry, guys. 01:04:35.548 --> 01:04:40.113 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a really well-defended ring of steel, and if we try to bring an imperial forest there, it'll kill us. 01:04:40.654 --> 01:04:41.555 [SPEAKER_02]: So what do we do? 01:04:41.995 --> 01:04:42.616 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got it. 01:04:43.196 --> 01:04:48.442 [SPEAKER_02]: The fire hawks have a star fortress called the Reptorus Rex, which is actually kind of a cool name. 01:04:48.903 --> 01:04:52.807 [SPEAKER_02]: The Reptorus Rex, it's not quite as big as the failanks, but it's one of those type things. 01:04:52.887 --> 01:04:57.332 [SPEAKER_02]: It comes from the gold-nage of technology that was recovered, yada, yada. 01:04:57.312 --> 01:05:03.640 [SPEAKER_02]: So the ad mech take a piece of a star and link it to the back of it. 01:05:03.801 --> 01:05:23.607 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess on a chain and the Reptora's Rex goes curdling into the system and then takes a sharp left turn with a fast and furious style and throws a star fragment at the space station, which destroys the space station, kills the dude on it, and also why is he there? 01:05:24.228 --> 01:05:25.951 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hold in the blackberry. 01:05:26.071 --> 01:05:29.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Be anyway, literally anywhere else, man. 01:05:29.697 --> 01:05:35.627 [SPEAKER_01]: You like, man, if only that guy was just not there, and he was on a couch somewhere else. 01:05:36.608 --> 01:05:37.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Watching that. 01:05:37.429 --> 01:05:42.017 [SPEAKER_01]: So he could be watching that on a calm going, oh, man, just see what happened to that fortress? 01:05:42.718 --> 01:05:44.200 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, that was crazy. 01:05:44.841 --> 01:05:46.003 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, guess I'm gonna blow it up. 01:05:46.124 --> 01:05:48.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Pressing at three buttons and sucks us. 01:05:48.848 --> 01:05:50.591 [SPEAKER_02]: but that's how this thing goes. 01:05:51.112 --> 01:05:59.204 [SPEAKER_02]: So, the Ring of Steel, which we were like, let's say we, it's out of the, I think it's about two or three hundred pages of story, this whole story takes up. 01:05:59.224 --> 01:06:05.254 [SPEAKER_02]: And that period of time, the impenetrability of the Ring of Steel is brought up at least 30 times. 01:06:06.356 --> 01:06:07.778 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's not impenetrable at all. 01:06:08.038 --> 01:06:11.143 [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, someone hit the off button and they might want warmth. 01:06:11.123 --> 01:06:16.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes what you get to do is you get to drive your car while it's on a parachute and, you know, you just do your thing. 01:06:17.727 --> 01:06:19.594 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how did they make seven of those movies? 01:06:20.377 --> 01:06:22.163 [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many more. 01:06:22.328 --> 01:06:23.129 [SPEAKER_02]: They're so bad. 01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:25.091 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're so bad. 01:06:25.352 --> 01:06:25.612 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:06:26.153 --> 01:06:27.655 [SPEAKER_02]: But let's give the fall of a dad. 01:06:27.675 --> 01:06:31.539 [SPEAKER_02]: So the fall of a dad is, again, well written cool stories. 01:06:31.579 --> 01:06:37.707 [SPEAKER_02]: If you really like the space-room and conflict, read those read them as I said, don't get them for free guys. 01:06:37.727 --> 01:06:39.209 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be the wrong thing to do. 01:06:39.229 --> 01:06:44.015 [SPEAKER_02]: And you should not do those things because they are under intellectual property protections. 01:06:45.076 --> 01:06:47.539 [SPEAKER_02]: So please don't download them for free. 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:49.922 [SPEAKER_00]: In these, I know. 01:06:50.678 --> 01:07:01.777 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the next part of the story is the invasion of the dad itself, and I really want to focus on one main part of it, which is the car caradots, because all this story is awesome. 01:07:02.398 --> 01:07:06.645 [SPEAKER_02]: But dad has a bunch of defenses anywhere, and those defenses require energy. 01:07:06.625 --> 01:07:12.713 [SPEAKER_02]: And mostly energy and imperial colonies comes from large reactors built near the cores of the planet. 01:07:12.753 --> 01:07:15.377 [SPEAKER_02]: They use the energy from the core to power them. 01:07:15.777 --> 01:07:19.142 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's steam power, but it might be for all I know. 01:07:19.803 --> 01:07:25.270 [SPEAKER_02]: And the car caradons are told by Lord Commander Cohen to attack the planet's infrastructure. 01:07:25.851 --> 01:07:30.277 [SPEAKER_02]: So as to prevent the people of the dab from formatting any form of counter attack. 01:07:30.297 --> 01:07:31.278 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a big feat. 01:07:31.298 --> 01:07:32.640 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel that there was space Marines. 01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:34.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:07:34.182 --> 01:07:38.828 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I just, it by by he was telling this. 01:07:38.848 --> 01:07:56.229 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I don't want them to be able to get it kind of for many any sort of counterattack and then he had two more pages of battle plan and the Carcara and Hauds walked out right after he said that and went, got it and left and they was like, but wait, this is how we're going to do it. 01:07:56.249 --> 01:08:00.915 [SPEAKER_01]: They went, nah, we got it 01:08:00.895 --> 01:08:04.498 [SPEAKER_01]: take all of it out, they won't be able to do that, right? 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:11.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Colin said, I want you to disable their infrastructure so they can't mount a counterattack. 01:08:11.544 --> 01:08:12.785 [SPEAKER_02]: And they went cool. 01:08:12.925 --> 01:08:14.947 [SPEAKER_02]: So remove the infrastructure completely. 01:08:15.587 --> 01:08:17.929 [SPEAKER_02]: And by infrastructure, I mean a lot more. 01:08:18.009 --> 01:08:20.171 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into this part is kind of funny. 01:08:20.452 --> 01:08:22.954 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's epic battle is going on, but you guys should read. 01:08:22.974 --> 01:08:30.480 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about, you've got titans, you've got dreadnots, you've got everything 01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:42.113 [SPEAKER_02]: And the car carodans just infiltrate the hive cities and just go basement floor button on the elevator Go down there and go let's just keep going down from here Oh, they do this video game style. 01:08:42.133 --> 01:08:57.531 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool though because they're like it is all you have to do is disable all of the reactors And they just go yeah click click click click can't just go and also if you got to be a bummer if you're just working down on the hive city and 01:08:57.511 --> 01:09:02.460 [SPEAKER_01]: Plotoons of Marines start running at you're like, I'm on Shift 8. 01:09:02.981 --> 01:09:03.201 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 01:09:04.023 --> 01:09:04.644 [SPEAKER_01]: Man. 01:09:05.305 --> 01:09:06.968 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm on Swing Shift this week. 01:09:07.008 --> 01:09:07.529 [SPEAKER_02]: What's happening? 01:09:07.769 --> 01:09:08.651 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no. 01:09:09.032 --> 01:09:10.695 [SPEAKER_02]: And they cut care not to doing stuff really. 01:09:10.715 --> 01:09:15.163 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if you do that, it's going to make the reactor blow up and they're just going to go in. 01:09:15.183 --> 01:09:15.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:09:15.263 --> 01:09:17.086 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I'm a space marine. 01:09:17.626 --> 01:09:38.537 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're just effectively switching all of the reactors and the planet to overload, meanwhile this epic battles happening above them in which at one point here on now calling himself here on the black heart takes a melted to the I would say face, but it's a whole half his body gets melted. 01:09:38.517 --> 01:09:47.205 [SPEAKER_02]: And while they're fighting though, the entire planet starts groaning and moving around, at all the people on the planet. 01:09:47.305 --> 01:09:57.595 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a break in a part because all of those reactors, the car caradons had hit, start overreacting, and ripping the planet from the inside out. 01:09:57.916 --> 01:09:59.377 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the, where's Superman from? 01:09:59.397 --> 01:10:00.238 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the planet super? 01:10:00.258 --> 01:10:00.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Crypto. 01:10:00.999 --> 01:10:01.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Think of it. 01:10:01.639 --> 01:10:02.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Crypto. 01:10:02.040 --> 01:10:02.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, just Crypto. 01:10:03.021 --> 01:10:05.503 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is effectively the fall of Crypto. 01:10:05.483 --> 01:10:14.041 [SPEAKER_01]: We're that now a curse and the best part of this is yes, and they kill a little bit of collateral damage, but it's so best out because they do make it a point. 01:10:14.382 --> 01:10:16.366 [SPEAKER_01]: We've forgot to say that when we're first doing it. 01:10:17.047 --> 01:10:21.737 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just cutting down all the workers to make sure that they don't fix what they're below. 01:10:21.717 --> 01:10:23.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, they also killed everybody. 01:10:23.480 --> 01:10:28.388 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the car caradons, I bet they have finished their task and all have already left the planet. 01:10:28.889 --> 01:10:35.319 [SPEAKER_02]: Now all the space marines, the traders, even the real citizens are just be lining for ships to get all the planet. 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.022 [SPEAKER_02]: Because again, it's ripped on. 01:10:37.182 --> 01:10:38.103 [SPEAKER_02]: It's falling apart. 01:10:38.123 --> 01:10:40.367 [SPEAKER_02]: But they also didn't tell anybody. 01:10:40.347 --> 01:10:47.874 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they called, no, they're in this, so what I love about this is like the whole planet just explodes. 01:10:48.355 --> 01:10:51.297 [SPEAKER_02]: They trillions quadruans of people die. 01:10:51.357 --> 01:11:06.892 [SPEAKER_02]: You lose dozens of not more of space marines, tens of thousands of imperial troops, titans, all this stuff's gone, and the inquisitions sitting there after the battle, and the car carried on just come wandering over the bridge, like, hey, what's up, guys? 01:11:07.393 --> 01:11:09.915 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're looking at going, just pointing out the window, 01:11:09.895 --> 01:11:11.118 [SPEAKER_02]: What did you do? 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And the car carried on to look the English and dead in the eye and go. 01:11:15.508 --> 01:11:19.879 [SPEAKER_02]: So we did that thing where we were fighting by your side. 01:11:19.919 --> 01:11:22.044 [SPEAKER_02]: And we need to re-supply. 01:11:22.204 --> 01:11:24.991 [SPEAKER_02]: So is it cool if we just go kidnap a bunch of people? 01:11:25.051 --> 01:11:27.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Because those rits I gave you earlier said we could. 01:11:27.918 --> 01:11:51.377 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I mean, I just believe that there's a window behind him while he's doing it and the window behind it You just see the planet breaking apart like it's just and so they were they actually they regret it All right, go do your red tie they give in some of the mantis warrior worlds go nuts and they went out there Rated them and then just left the entire system 01:11:51.492 --> 01:11:54.757 [SPEAKER_02]: But that takes us to the final bit, which is the aftermath of the war. 01:11:54.777 --> 01:11:57.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't skip your best line of the entire cast. 01:11:58.222 --> 01:12:05.112 [SPEAKER_01]: If the don't, so we have, they leave the planet, the system likely to the joy of all around. 01:12:05.132 --> 01:12:05.773 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. 01:12:05.833 --> 01:12:09.218 [SPEAKER_02]: The carcaret on leaving was definitely everyone was like, oh, thank God. 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:11.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody had a tear in their eye. 01:12:11.682 --> 01:12:12.764 [SPEAKER_01]: Will miss you. 01:12:12.784 --> 01:12:17.350 [SPEAKER_02]: I could see someone turn the miniatars, but like, no, I'm glad you guys are here. 01:12:17.691 --> 01:12:19.153 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have to the carcaret on his left. 01:12:19.673 --> 01:12:28.903 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I had a chance to compare and you guys are totally normal, but yeah, let's get to the aftermath of the work because that's one of the more important piece. 01:12:28.943 --> 01:12:32.367 [SPEAKER_02]: So after the war is over, the Imperium holds all the leads as accountable. 01:12:32.407 --> 01:12:36.051 [SPEAKER_02]: The astro claws are branded heretic and there to be hunted down with that mercy. 01:12:36.652 --> 01:12:41.137 [SPEAKER_02]: The mantis warriors are placed on a penitent crusade to regain their honor, which they are still in the middle of. 01:12:41.157 --> 01:12:47.284 [SPEAKER_02]: So at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at 01:12:47.264 --> 01:12:51.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so we're in 42 now, and they are still on this crusade. 01:12:51.970 --> 01:13:02.902 [SPEAKER_02]: The lamenters were also placed on a panicking crusade, but their crusade took them into high fleet cracking, and they survived, but they're down to less than 300 Marines. 01:13:03.423 --> 01:13:08.749 [SPEAKER_02]: That technically meant that their crusade was over, but the belief of the lamenters will not make it. 01:13:08.769 --> 01:13:13.575 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just too few, and they've lost so much gene seed that they will eventually die off. 01:13:13.555 --> 01:13:16.720 [SPEAKER_02]: The exception is the executioners, which is actually pretty cool. 01:13:16.780 --> 01:13:27.535 [SPEAKER_02]: As you've mentioned before, the executioners thought to defend the salamanders when the astral clause attacked, and so where is the mantis warriors and the lamenters as part of their pantant crusade? 01:13:27.555 --> 01:13:28.717 [SPEAKER_02]: They lost all their worlds. 01:13:28.737 --> 01:13:31.140 [SPEAKER_02]: So all of their recruiting worlds were all gone. 01:13:31.861 --> 01:13:43.478 [SPEAKER_02]: The executioners were also put on a pantant crusade, but their worlds were held in trust by the salamanders. 01:13:44.875 --> 01:13:45.416 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's cool. 01:13:45.456 --> 01:13:54.648 [SPEAKER_02]: So it happens is as, and they have actually now finished their panting crusade and the worlds that they held before have been returned to them by the Salamanders. 01:13:54.668 --> 01:13:58.694 [SPEAKER_02]: So the executioners are now starting to quote unquote thrive. 01:13:59.815 --> 01:14:02.780 [SPEAKER_02]: But the most important one is here on himself. 01:14:03.601 --> 01:14:10.410 [SPEAKER_02]: Here on survived taking a Malta to himself and he actually healed up in three days, fully. 01:14:10.390 --> 01:14:17.280 [SPEAKER_02]: And the recently did that is because here on is a Chaos Lord now, full blown, he is 100% Chaos. 01:14:18.362 --> 01:14:24.270 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's odd because he's not focused on taking out the Imperium. 01:14:25.071 --> 01:14:28.036 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still wants to conquer Maelstrom. 01:14:28.757 --> 01:14:32.762 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's doing it for him, because he's also he's Chaos and divided. 01:14:33.203 --> 01:14:34.946 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's just doing it for Chaos. 01:14:35.146 --> 01:14:36.668 [SPEAKER_02]: The love of the game. 01:14:36.935 --> 01:14:45.443 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so him and what's left the Astral Clause form a new chapter called the Red Courses, which is Chaos Space Marine Pirates. 01:14:46.083 --> 01:14:46.704 [SPEAKER_02]: I do it. 01:14:46.804 --> 01:14:47.785 [SPEAKER_02]: Where these armies, by the way. 01:14:47.925 --> 01:14:48.926 [SPEAKER_02]: These ones are. 01:14:48.946 --> 01:14:58.334 [SPEAKER_02]: But what I love about him is that him and his band of Mary men are roaming around maelstrom, praying on vessels and conquering worlds. 01:14:59.055 --> 01:15:06.942 [SPEAKER_02]: But if he space marine can be his as a full chapter down to a single space. 01:15:06.922 --> 01:15:10.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, he, he, he definitely coarser. 01:15:10.188 --> 01:15:22.210 [SPEAKER_01]: He definitely has a direct line because he shows up when someone's, whether it's a someone, a platoon, a lead or whatever. 01:15:22.250 --> 01:15:28.762 [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as someone's about to fall to cast, we nearly, here on, well, hey man, what's going on? 01:15:28.782 --> 01:15:30.685 [SPEAKER_01]: I heard you needed to ride. 01:15:31.171 --> 01:15:36.501 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and but it's cool and that but that's why the red corsairs are this really like Hodgepodge. 01:15:36.521 --> 01:15:40.448 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a true pirate fleet of anyone who wants to join is welcome to join. 01:15:40.869 --> 01:15:41.971 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a huge fan. 01:15:41.991 --> 01:15:42.472 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's cool. 01:15:42.532 --> 01:15:44.155 [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, the fleet is massive. 01:15:44.195 --> 01:15:46.178 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually one of the largest forces in chaos. 01:15:46.599 --> 01:15:49.264 [SPEAKER_02]: They did capture Gilliman for a bit. 01:15:49.244 --> 01:15:51.728 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, but with that, I think that's where I want to add. 01:15:51.748 --> 01:15:54.333 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a good coverage of the Badab War. 01:15:54.353 --> 01:15:56.436 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope this was fun for all of you. 01:15:56.937 --> 01:16:01.565 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been doing a lot of human and centricly even the Voltainer humans. 01:16:01.585 --> 01:16:04.029 [SPEAKER_02]: So next week, we're going to do something more zenos related. 01:16:04.610 --> 01:16:05.872 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is I didn't even start it right. 01:16:05.892 --> 01:16:06.814 [SPEAKER_02]: You next week's episode yet. 01:16:06.834 --> 01:16:07.715 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what's going to be. 01:16:08.056 --> 01:16:09.278 [SPEAKER_02]: We have Dr. Fatton. 01:16:10.270 --> 01:16:10.651 [SPEAKER_02]: about it. 01:16:10.731 --> 01:16:17.441 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to go Drew Carrey, but I don't want to commit all the way because the way I am is I'll start writing something and I will left turn out a nowhere on Brad. 01:16:17.902 --> 01:16:22.008 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll write it so I don't really know what we're covering next week, but we will be there. 01:16:22.309 --> 01:16:31.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the makes Brad happier than doing a bunch of research on something and then having John tell me that I wrote 13 sentences on that and went somewhere completely different. 01:16:32.024 --> 01:16:32.565 [SPEAKER_02]: Left turn. 01:16:32.545 --> 01:16:41.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm very good at left turn midway through my notes, but more importantly, with that, I hope you all enjoyed this John Barsotti, Brad Chester, this guy. 01:16:42.004 --> 01:16:43.028 [SPEAKER_02]: See you all next week. 01:17:09.653 --> 01:17:12.492 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.