[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back, Red Sox Nation, some big things happening under the surface, not only of the Boston Red Sox, but of course, Major League Baseball as a whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we were going to initially talk about the free agent class, look at the list that the guys went into last episode, go down a few more players.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, we've decided to pivot last moment to talk about a few comments that Freslow has made.
[SPEAKER_00]: and hopefully the bearing of the future of the Boston Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Nick the Voice, joined tonight by Terry Kushman Jr. in Chris Felico, and we are the bastards of Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think that this is a good place to start, of course, the starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that the Red Sox have been really up and down with for years, obviously, Garrett Crochet became an anchor this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to the guys behind him, I think funnily enough, Perez-Low put it quite well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a quote up here that I'm just going to kick off the episode by reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, starting pitching, and particularly, someone we feel who can start a long side or slot in behind Gary and start a playoff game for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last season, Bayo played that role for the majority of season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lucas played that role for the majority of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the depth that we've built up over the last couple of years, we felt pretty good about overall starting pitching and numbers three through tennis.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not to take away from guys who are certainly capable of doing more and more just to say I don't think we're going to spend a ton of time trying to add a number four or number five starter saying that they want a guy who can pitch at the front of the rotation and start a game.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is quite frankly exactly what we wanted to hear, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted a serious number one or number two to go alongside here at Crochet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The depth is an asset right now that the Red Sox have, but because of that, you can't really add to the back of the rotation with a guy like just to throw it a name, Verlander, you know, Zach Lattel.
[SPEAKER_00]: you really want a top of the line guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do any names come to your guy's mind?
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was your reaction to Freslow's comments?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go first, Harry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're Chris, your choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we can paper ox scissors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I suck at that game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first of all, I mean, it completely shocked in a good way, pleasantly surprised, I'll say,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think from much of Brazil and even high in bloom and, you know, the last two regimes really at the front office when we're in these situations where it's evident and clear to red sox fans and even GMs and other fan bases across MLB of what we need will usually get quotes similar to what we heard but not with the specifics of we're not looking for a three or four we want top line like that quote could have just as easily been something
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're really confident in the pitching that we have, we know we need to upgrade the rotation, but we like a lot of the guys we have, we should need people to step up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something along those lines and to get as granular as he did, excites me because what it does, you paint some self into a corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because now, if you don't deliver that, it's like, well, Craig, you're the one who said we need it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We knew it, but you said it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be pleasantly surprised if we're able to execute that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have a little bit of confidence in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as specific names, I mean, I think Joe Ryan's an obvious one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, Dylan C's is probably another one out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the one that's
[SPEAKER_02]: That's extremely interesting, obviously a long shot, but it's hard to acknowledge because we've literally been attached to it now for about a week and a half, two weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to reach school, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is essentially more than likely going to be the AL, saw you on the award winner?
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's Garak Rochale, I'll be happy for him, but I think it's going to be schoolable and it would be much deserved if he'd go back to back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I'd be happy with any of those to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously for me, it would probably go schoolable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I'd probably say Joe Ryan may be cease would be third.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Frammer Valdez is another name that's been thrown on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Terry's very high on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, any of those guys would be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the pathway to getting them looks a lot different for each one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get one of those guys and start from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Nick essentially hit the nail on the head.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the, the breastloat quote was concise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was nothing cryptic about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't been getting that since the Dombrowski era.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was nice to hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not conspiracy theorists like, oh, he's just saying the extreme haters are gonna say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for the record, I'm still a hater, but not an extreme hater, but I'm a hater until Brazil can finally win my confidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, from not just the winter, but 365 days a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 365 day year job.
[SPEAKER_01]: You make moves in November and December.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do some housekeeping and January and February, just kind of shoring things up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then as a season goes, you need to manipulate the roster, you need to target.
[SPEAKER_01]: People you might acquire as the season progresses towards the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not checked off all those boxes at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, when opening day starts, I think he's been a terrible executive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if he wants to be a long time executive in Boston, then, you know, he needs to, he needs to check off all the boxes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm looking at years past real quick, championship's past.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Pedro and shelling two hallfamers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shelling was a dumbass and ran his mouth and that's why he's not in the hallfam, but he is a hallfamor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Beckett falls a little short, you know, if you want to take better care of himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looked like a hallfamor for much of his career.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just didn't have the longevity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he had Lester and Lackey and then Chris Sale David Price.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had a power punch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have never won a championship without a power packed one, two.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe Lester Lack is the weakest of that group.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they had won championships previously to that 2013 title.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were big performers in the month of October.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they might have been one B starters, you know, not quite the the true ACEs, like some of those other names.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what Brazil needs to do this winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs, he needs that that power punch to go with Derek crochet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just thinking today to I don't think Chapman's going to be as good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be good, but just not as good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the same for Whitlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was just phenomenal last year from May forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're that good, you need to expect.
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of regression and and then I was thinking bail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if bail is going to be quite a stout.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that just underscores the need to be aggressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go get that go get that guy to take the pressure off of the Bayows and I don't even know our number four is honestly it's not Gilito.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be Connelly early, but that's a small sample size.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, and then finally, let me just pivot back to Ryan, because that's the name that's not going to go away until we sign someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, here's here's where I have a little bit of pause if we're aiming for Joe Ryan.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all want him, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he our number one choice?
[SPEAKER_01]: Would he be your number one choice?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, school would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let you have it actually, that's fine, because he is going to get traded.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's your second choice, Chris, yeah, he would be my second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably top three, you know, without looking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he might, I think Joe Ryan is way more realistic than Terrick school will.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's here's my thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: if he's out there and he's going to be available, multiple teams will be in on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is Craig Breslow going to be willing to outbid all the other teams with the best prospect package?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm putting cold water on Joe Ryan.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really good question, especially looking at the deadline that we had and hearing those murmurs that other teams just weren't that interested in a lot of the prospects that we were trying to give them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the scary part I think of approaching any deal when it comes to adding via trade this off season.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in theory, we have the capital for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have Duran and a breu who in theory, both could be gone really, at least one of them, obviously, we can talk a little bit more about Duran because I think some comments have been made about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, if you're going to improve via trade,
[SPEAKER_00]: you need to understand that the reason you're doing that for whoever you trade for.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you trade for a bat, you have to think, okay, that's because we would rather spend the money that we have on a pitcher, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or vice versa, you know, if you trade for pitching, you're like, okay, well, maybe it's time to spend the money on a bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because ultimately, this Red Sox team has the potential to be very good, but it's almost like a puzzle where you need to equip it with a few plugs into the holes that are there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to fill the gaps, whether it's power, whether it's getting another infielder, whether it's getting a true DH, whether it's getting an ace starting pitcher, whether it's getting a combination of all of those things, preferably.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to figure out which guys are attainable with money, which guys are attainable with a trade for prospects.
[SPEAKER_00]: The nice thing about starting pitching is that we could go out and trade for a guy like Ryan, or we could go out and we could sign a guy like Swaris, or Seas, like you guys mentioned, King, isn't Honorable mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Framber Valdez is a guy who I was really big on until, of course, he did that little tantrum with his catcher and that kind of made me a bit hesitant
[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, I do think that there are some interesting names there, but like you said, Terry, is Brezlo going to be decisive enough to go out and execute.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to add something in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So number one, I see Jules, one of our regulars here saying skiing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to re-op my water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Skeens would be number one, then school bull, then Joe Ryan, even though skiing's, although I do think skiing is probably going to be in a similar situation at school in the coming years where they're going to be forced to trade schemes, because he's not going to resign in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they could have off from crazy money and he still wouldn't know one wants to play for them, but that's beside the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I think things are interesting for the socks and even this is a maybe coming to Jesus moment for breads, though, and why I'm happy that all the prospects came up and I don't want to say failed because they didn't fail, but let's just face it did not go smoothly, right leg.
[SPEAKER_02]: Christian camel comes up tears the cover off the ball and then forgets had a swing didn't really have great defense they have to put him down to trip away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Struggle there for a little bit and then just kind of was 50 50 the rest of the season he mown here he didn't have a coming back up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Marcelo Meyer comes up shows fantastic defense with the glow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Strieke at the plate at best and gets injured, Chocca which has been his M.O.
[SPEAKER_02]: When an empty comes up, struggles, I mean, was a single's merchant as I called them and all of a sudden started to show power and then unfortunately gets hurt and that kind of was to put on our offense and pretty much started to put the nail on our coffin for the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And why I think this is important is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's eminently clear for Brazil that there's no perfect opportunity to take a look at this and say, you can't rely on prospects.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if only one of those guys came up and even if they actually sucked or had a catastrophic injury, there's the thought of, all right, well, I said, I got three that are coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like all of them can't suck and do or get hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in this particular case, they either sucked or got hurt if we're being honest with
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that that happened, if it's not clear, where it's like, okay, yeah, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like these guys could turn out to be superstars, but there's absolutely no guarantee.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I have to part ways with some of them for people that are guarantees, now granted they could get hurt, but to professional sports, I can happen to anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no better opportunity to reflect on the past season.
[SPEAKER_02]: See what the downfalls and the pitfalls were for us
[SPEAKER_02]: we literally had everything go wrong with our prospects and this is where we're at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I think that that is going to tip him to make those moves?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it's an interesting case for him where I can't for sure say that he's not going to consider that and say, OK, now I'd be maybe a little bit more apt to be willing to part with those people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the other names, the past where are all these people that are a tier below.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's interesting to consider.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm pretty generally speaking, I'm pretty open-minded here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Framber Valdez.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm willing to give him a pass on the previous thing because there was nothing else leading up to that in the last several years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all have a bad day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think the culture and Boston, Trevor Story, Roman Anthony,
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Corra I just think he would be fine in this culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like David Price who just showed up to spring training by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw tweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure what he's doing there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, as soon as Price gets signed and like, oh, this market is just going to eat him up and it was even uglier than I ever could have imagined.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that type of thing would horrify me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even think of a guy anymore that.
[SPEAKER_01]: would be bad for Boston.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who's a really cancerous player in MLB?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk your head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Anderson doesn't play anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I was going to say Marcus Strom in a couple of years ago and why to fit that bill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know what's changed, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if players are more culturally aware now than they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll give Valdez a pass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he's like pitched like the most innings or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Since 2019, there were a couple of neat stats.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget what they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most wins or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's an attractive piece and he's not going to be a $200 million year guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right up my alley.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can get a guy between 130 million on a five or six year deal,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick, you mentioned Ranger Suarez.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that's appealing to me, as far as Suarez is the postseason pedigree.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy shows up in the month of October.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I don't, honestly, I don't know how to put a market on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Noah got seven years, 175.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds high to me, but,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, for a guy like Swara, so we'll see, but generally speaking, I'm open-minded.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want a guy who meets the criteria of a number two, and I'm willing to go with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we'll look at the advance metrics later.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are they at Fenway?
[SPEAKER_01]: How are they against this division?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what is the save on chart look like in certain metrics?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be covering all of these guys as last night was part one of the major league baseball trade rumors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Top 50 lists.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do that every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go back and listen to last years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we were way off, but I think everybody is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so what we'll get into a lot of these guys very specifically in the coming days will probably have this list wrapped up maybe not next week, but by the following week early on, which would be ahead of the winter meetings.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just want to be a big market team.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mentioned all those one-two punches from all of those previous championships, I don't want to go into another season again without a one-two punch, because you don't win championships without them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, and I mean, you can see what a guy like Yamamoto was able to do for the Dodgers in this most recent world series a guy like that took a team that was already a champion and made them a champion again helped to make them a champion throwing a complete game, you know, adding a guy of that caliber is so important just like Garrett Crochet was able to completely transform this Red Sox pitching staff this rotation, I should say adding a guy right behind him of maybe not the similar caliber because there's really only a few names that come to mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But of that upper echelon, I mean, it's so, so important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it will be really interesting to see because ultimately, like I mentioned, we have a certain amount of prospects.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a certain amount of talent on the major league roster that we're willing to move.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a certain amount of money that we're willing to spend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't know how much that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, it's a good amount.
[SPEAKER_00]: A few things that are interesting that I wanted to bring up, actually, was I alluded to Jaren Duran, and there's been a lot of speculation about his status with Bob Knight and Gail, who maybe doesn't have the best track record when it comes to certain predictions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do agree with him here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says it would be a huge surprise if Duran is in Fort Myers Florida come spring training.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does seem to me like Duran is the odd man out in this outfield.
[SPEAKER_00]: you have just a lot of talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sure, we saw this year, Reslo almost become vindicated in some way, which I kind of hate, which is where he was saying, oh, well, we have a log jam until guys get injured and then everyone got injured, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, there's no point in retaining a player of that caliber who, Duran, regardless of his splits, he's a 162 type of guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's earned that, and I think a lot of teams
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a waste to not give him that just because there's such an excess of talent on the roster and having to be a bench piece or a part-time piece or a backup rather than trade capital.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he could be the Joe Ryan type of acquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've also seen a couple other crazy names thrown around Fernando Titis, who Terry earlier in the year mentioned on his wish list suddenly Titis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see his name getting thrown around.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the weight behind that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: name getting tossed around who I would have loved a year ago and then I thought oh well like sign that pick extension Arizona doesn't want to ditch him but now I'm hearing his name tossed around so maybe Duran could be involved for a pitcher like you know Joe Ryan or maybe for a hitter at a different position we don't really know what are your guys thoughts on the whole situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some interesting names on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you both made good points.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said it before Nick, like they have to really understand who they want to trade for and who they want to sign for, because the thing is there's so many names out there that are seeing on the trade market.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while we have assets, we're going to have to splurge with some of them take that something, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is going to take away the opportunity to get pitching and hitting least from my perspective,
[SPEAKER_02]: unless you literally just get rid of the farm or you could take advantage of a team that's just desperate if you take a quote unquote bad contract which I mean we have the money because we got rid of a ton of contract at this point right so I would love to have for nanotaties I would be interested in kettle martyne as far as jaren deran I do think he is the odd man out
[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree with you, like, at this stage of his career still a 162 player, I think the thing is is of all the people that we have log jamming the outfield he.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we were immediately going to contend for world series, I might say he's not the guy I would trade, but like we're not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're still a couple of pieces away and with another year under his belt and image like.
[SPEAKER_02]: his assets and the things that he's able to leverage on, they're going to diminish within the next couple of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to have to give him a contract and that's going to age poorly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's unfortunate.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of been part of the heartbeat of this team for the last three or four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it's appropriate for him to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then as far
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good point, and what gives me pause about a Joe Ryan is, you know, like when we got Garrett crochet, he means playing for like the worst team ever at that point, right, with a Chicago white socks, we didn't know without a shadow of a doubt he was going to come to Boston, tear it up and become a bonafide ace and be able to handle this market, leaving that albatross.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just with the socks luck and just the law of averages, to go out there and get another guy
[SPEAKER_02]: The Minnesota twins who haven't snifted realistically, they gain baseball on October in a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like even when they make the playoffs, it's like we know they're getting bounce for the Yankees in the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's all call it what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The chance that we hit lightning twice and strike and we get a one, two out of that division seems like a long shot to me when you kind of said what you said, which would give me pause for concern and trading assets to get him.
[SPEAKER_02]: versus with maybe giving a little bit more to get a guy that your confident Ken pitch knocked over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think outside of skins, who has never pitched a big game, but he's just an absolute prodigy level star.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if maybe we should be trading the assets that we have for a guy that we hope can be number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're stats may say it, but
[SPEAKER_02]: to your point and less they're doing it in the big moments in October and we're confident you would hear in Boston a top three or five market in this sport.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's scary thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Ryan now pull him up here in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: He the other thing too you have to remember is
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we took a momentary sigh of relief when we acquired him and we're like, oh, thank goodness, we made a move.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was just brief because now we're like, he's going to walk after what two more years.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to lock him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you just
[SPEAKER_01]: And we had a guy that's never locked anyone up, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So after you give up the major hall for Ryan, you've got that same level of stress all over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't manage to get him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he does have, here we go, two years left.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not a huge rush, yeah, 28, 28, he's a free agent.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's arm two this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then he is, I think he's about 29, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out he's got the same birth as my brother, June 5th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so he'll be 30, you know, coming into next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking he'll probably get a bigger contract than crochet, crochet, got 170, but maybe not, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll be right in that neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we'll see, what I'm saying here with Joe Ryan is it's an extremely complex type of trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know that Breslo really wants to get into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When there's plenty of guys out there that aren't gonna break the bank and we've already mentioned all the names.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I wanna address here is Nick mentioned, Jared Durant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Duran would be great for a guy like Katel Marte because we desperately need infielders right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only one you have for sure is Trevor Story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's playing in third base at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably Nick's so guard if you put a gun to someone's head.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're pro violence here and we talk about guns, the heads of a lot, and if this is your first show, we're kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's your 12th show, you've heard it at least twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so yeah, we don't have a third baseman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll meet your second baseman most of the time and we're going to get into some first base talk here momentarily, but I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Duran might get you a one for one type deal with a Marta type guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just go to a team that's going to surplus of infielders.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a third basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's how you get your third basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any names.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll thought my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, just try one for one with Duran.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tatis, that's the dream.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been dreaming that and you know, for a couple of off-season's now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take obviously more than to ran, but he does have a lot of money on the book, so it's not necessarily going to be a mega trade necessarily because you're taking on a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: The podries are not going to eat any money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the appeal for the podries to trade him.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got a nasty family feud going on behind the scenes right now, a loaded payroll.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had to take out a $40 million loan the season before last, just to cover payroll.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you could take advantage and at least not have to give up a massive package and then you've got what's your outfield?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tatees and Anthony every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: It frees you up to trade a breu as well, quite frankly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and what I was also thinking with the
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Brazil spoke so glowingly of Raphaella and a braille getting gold gloves and how we by far had the best defensive outfield and majorly baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd be shocked if they do deal a braille, but who knows, it could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, see ya.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to make this one last thing for our kicker back to you too.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how flimsy I feel sometimes and I hate that I just called myself that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But two winners ago, I was screaming from the mountain tops, extend, twisting costs this, extend them now before he gets ridiculously expensive one year later, I was eating my words saying, thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness, no one answered that call.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then last winter, I was screaming from the mountain tops, extend Jaren Duran, and Duran didn't nearly have as big of a fall from grace, but it was a complicated year and he did regress and you got to train him before the value gets any lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm all in, in other words, on trading to ran, which is a complete 180 from where I was at a year ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really, I mean, hindsight is ultimately the greatest cure to a lot of speculation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've been so wrong on so many players.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just ridiculous and that's sort of the nature of the sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have this uncertainty with everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Chris always says about prospects, but even with proven talent, how many strange cases have you seen?
[SPEAKER_00]: For every great career, you're always going to find a Matt Harvey that sort of sticks in the back of your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: or a cinder guard, you know, who you just can't stop thinking about like, oh, am I going to sign the wrong ace this off season?
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no real way to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: The nice thing about the free agent class and the trade pool right now is that you have options and not just on the pitching side of things, but on the hitting side of things too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was really concerned about approaching this year with the infield.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said the worst case scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that Marcella Mayor would be playing third-based for us once pregnant leaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be okay with that if we did get a kettle marte type of player to be second-base.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really is going to depend on what Arizona wants for him and it's really going to be interesting to hear if we get any leaks or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What changed their tune?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they just extended that guy and now they're saying this dude
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, now he's available.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not a combination of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's a condemnation of the roster as a whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Arizona just thinks, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're out of this for three years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so give, give our star away, you know, but you have interesting names out there in the form of trade, like we just mentioned, or in the form of free agents.
[SPEAKER_00]: One big one that I mean, we keep hearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get to in a moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you have the lower tier, you have Boba Shet, who may very well return to Toronto, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have Kyle Schworber, who's getting a little older, but certainly has a couple more years of good baseball in him no doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, he's kind of a permanent DH there, but then you have the Alex Bragman and the Pete Alonzo, both of whom, well, we know Alex Bragman obviously, but both of whom I think would be a pretty good fit for Fenway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Coming over from Japan, you also have the player of Monotaka Morakami, who the bedding odds are claiming we are a favorite to get and that scares me because if that's what we settled for, no offense to this guy, I found the stat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking with both Terry and Chris before the show went live that I was looking for a stat on him that I heard.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has posted a 95
[SPEAKER_00]: He strikes out a lot, he whiffs a lot, this dude is frightening to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just saw a quote from Eric Lungenhagen saying, if he ends up having a similar career to Joey Gallo, that's a win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not for the Red Sox, it's not, maybe for him it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on him, absolutely, make your money, hit some hard runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Red Sox need a short thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Peter Lanzo is coming off a great year and very interestingly enough, does not have a qualifying offer attached.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that makes him a lorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do not want Merakami to sell the funniest meme.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that famous madman one where it's John Hammond.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like pitching to the office and it's like, we're gonna sign all the Japanese players just the bad ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's so red socks because that seems like that's what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're always out on ones that are sure fires.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we end up with Masataki Oksidis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although play off hero this year, Masataki Oksidis.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I want nothing to do with that guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Lanzo, it's hard not to want them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that just I have paused for concern is the defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because do I really want a weekend in infield?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's already just like just a thrown ball away from a little league home run at any given moment in any given game.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, that that would be perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we really do need a right-handed power bet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Braggman, I mean, I guess on the right deal, I'd be, I'd be okay with Bragg and back to help those concern me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Schworber, yeah, like, I'd be good with Schworber.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing is it's like, we're already lefty, heavy though.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot would have to, I'd have to see if there's trades that we make, if we get creative, or able to get someone, like, if we got a top cheese, get me Schworber.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like at that point, put your word or a d h. I'm good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tristan costs us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what do we do with him at this point?
[SPEAKER_00]: Put him in triple A and see if he can stay healthy for a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like there's the universe is really just pulling Peter Lanzo to Finnway Park.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like Brazil is interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's reports saying, yeah, we like Peter Lanzo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is going to be a DH eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Lanzo was quoted as recently saying that, yeah, probably by the end of whatever deal I sign,
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the bad news is if you're hoping for Schwerber and Alonzo, you're not getting them because one's going to block the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you miss out on Alonzo, maybe you don't miss out on Schwerber, but the thing that I think would be nice about Alonzo is I think the Mets have had a culture problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've had an owner that just loves turbulence.
[SPEAKER_01]: They every second year, they fire their manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not great, like Lindor and Jeff McNeil were playing grab ass in the tunnel, you know, a couple of years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that was all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't
[SPEAKER_01]: the fact that that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Peter Lanzo is sick of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just sick of the bad culture and coming to Fenway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that we have the championship vibe yet, but the culture is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, he's a veteran voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think he would thrive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd
[SPEAKER_01]: a big, right-handed power threat since either Moogie Bets or JD Martinez, take your pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bogartz would golf a few, you know, but I wouldn't say, you know, he was never going to flirt with 40 home runs for instance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, so you would finally have that guy in Alonzo.
[SPEAKER_01]: this is where I'm going to piss half of the audience off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just imagine if you went back a year ago and you got along so instead of pregnant, you'd still have devours.
[SPEAKER_01]: None of that goes down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Devours, he's either going to be your third basement until he has hamstring problems
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you'd be getting half of that with signing Alonzo and maybe Anthony is the new devours, and he could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, what a what a presence in the three or four spot with a guy like Alonzo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're hearing Alonzo's name a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: One name you're not hearing a lot of his Alex Braggman.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was fun for a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not invited back to the barbecue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, who's the other, you're not hearing Gielito either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're talking, but those are two names from last year, prominent names.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not hearing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So give me a lawn, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all in the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't work, but the polar bear will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that a lot, both the outlook and the slogan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, at the end of the day, like I mentioned before in the show, it's a puzzle.
[SPEAKER_00]: This team needs pop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was sorely lacking power and even with pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're really going to need some guys to come in here and change this offense for the better because the Red Sox really did regret last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we need that stat, the offensive output, the run scored to improve without question.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just didn't look like a playoff lineup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if we were perfectly healthy, I don't think that we were a playoff lineup.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so adding a guy, whether it's a lawns though, whether it's March Day, maybe it's both, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: But one thing that's interesting, speaking of power, one of our big power hitters, Trevor Story is, of course, sticking around, which is very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of us were happy for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem, of course, is that the news just broke, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the quote that apparently, Trevor Story,
[SPEAKER_00]: to him as their shortstop going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that makes me seriously wonder, what does that mean for Meyer?
[SPEAKER_00]: What does Craig Breslow think he sees in Trevor's story?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because him at second base, absolutely sure thing, him pushing Meyer to another position, makes me wonder, are they even in on Meyer at all?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he was supposed to be the shortstop of the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's an interesting way to look at it, and especially, I mean, if the bedding odds has a, have us getting Murakami, you're not putting my or third, unless you're putting him at third, and then you're putting Murakami at first, because I apparently he can play first base, but then you, if you're getting Peter Lanzo, means he's going right to DH, which I guess if that was the case,
[SPEAKER_02]: to get a Lanzo, if you will, in the get market.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mary, come even, good at defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does anyone know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, I know he's played quite a bit at both positions, but I'm not too sure at what he's done there.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he sound defensively and we get a Lanzo at DH, and then I got a deal with my third base, I guess I could live with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was not that happy about story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he had a good season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just even, you know, him a short stop like his range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he still has high light plays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every show game is where you're like, wow, like that was a great play.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got these web gems.
[SPEAKER_02]: But his arms getting weaker, if we were committed to putting him at second base, I'd be fine with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that doesn't seem to be the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I obviously now were committed to him being at shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't like that for Meyer.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to your point, who knows, we might be out on Meyer behind closed doors at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might even be a name that they're already prepared to put into a package, which could change everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And which, if you're going to put him in a package, or like that caliber,
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I have to be honest, like I want more than Joe Ryan, like I'm just going to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not that doesn't that doesn't do it for me because I feel like if you're going to get Joe Ryan, you could give less.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'd rather give a bunch of the two ways, give them all, and then one of the top pitching prospects.
[SPEAKER_02]: You start throwing Marcelo Meyer, Christian Campbell, and some of the other talent, like I want to better picture at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, if we sign Murakami, I am going to lose my bleeping mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired of chasing unicorns, because there's no such thing as unicorn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't want to spend big money on anything less than a short thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if he signs with the giants and becomes a first ballot hallfamer, I'll take the L, fine, but I just, I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're counting down the days, not the days, there's too many days, but counting down the years,
[SPEAKER_01]: for the Yoshida deal to finally run out, I mentioned on one of the more recent shows, we did the same thing with Sandevol, when does that money finally come off the books, when does the petroleum money, I'm just, I don't want any more dead money on this team.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just, if Breslo does this,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's dumb and and here's another thing too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and let me just say this about my real quick because the next thing is kind of I have multiple layers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be on the team unless he's in the Joe Ryan trade Because that that could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's he's very plausible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's second very plausible at third
[SPEAKER_01]: And Matt points out in the stream, what's wrong with him at third?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think third prevents a lot of injuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's less likely to get injured at that position.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if that's going to keep him healthy, maybe that's why we're not hearing much about Breggman anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe because it's going to be my or all, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that I hate is, I don't like how core managed him last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him in the lineup every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a platoon guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop plattuning all of your lefties, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that ship has sailed on a brave.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a platoon guy for the rest of his career.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a major disservice that Alex Core did to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, don't do it again with, um, with Meyer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many years Breslo is signed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's usually a three to five-year deal for a president of baseball office, Chief Baseball Officer.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he had an underwhelming winter this year, I think he's gone at the end of next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if we make the playoffs and we get bounce the same exact way, I think he's gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he needs to have a big winter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he knows he needs to have a big winter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ness and ratings were up last year and I rolled my eyes because we've got this stupid platoon dynasty that everybody was drinking the punch and I'm like, ah, that's because Ness and ratings are up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna feel like that's the model now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the model of a team that will put butts and seats.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sell commercial space blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Brazil is aggressive comments earlier, kind of, you know, you know, that makes me think we're going to have at least a decent winter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he has a big winter and then we get into the postseason next year and go at least around, get out of that wildcard or better yet when the division.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of itself, say, Brazil is job.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, we haven't done it in, it'll be eight years at the end of this year, since we last did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so earlier in the week, I was questioning, could this be Brazil's last year if it's a bad one?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an underwhelming winter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's trending towards no at the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, though, I do think, you know, it's fair to characterize this as a last stand of sorts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this season, he was coming into it with a fairly impressive winter that he was able to salvage.
[SPEAKER_00]: We came in with Gregman added crochet, added Chapman added who exceeded expectations.
[SPEAKER_00]: This winter is going to be a sort of redemption moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Funnily enough, for a lackluster trade deadline,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a chance to sort of make a mens with the Red Sox fan base and show yep we're serious we're here it's time to you know stop pretending stop to time to stop holding your breath or it's going to be another retooling year where we go in the same exact way that we are right now I mean if we end up with like like you guys have already said if we end up with like more economy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have some doubts about him being number two in the rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if that's what we wind up with, that's a massive disappointment and world's apart from a Peter Lanzo Ranger Suarez kettle marté type of hall, you know, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there are even some decent diamonds in the rough that you could go out and get that people aren't talking so much about whether it's in the foreign free agent pile I forget his name, but there's a Japanese free agent picture that was just declared obviously if we need a number four, I'd be willing to roll the dice a little bit more on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's also a name Cosima Akamoto who seems like he doesn't quite have the power of more economy, but overall he seems like the much more sound player, a little bit older, good defensively at third, maybe Breslo can find a guy like that to pair alongside a high caliber, you know, star.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I really do think that if Brazilians want to make a splash, wants to make a serious, you need at least one big freaking name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you need to honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know fill out the infield and one of them as I said could be a dress via trade with a guy like Durand package in someone else I'd hate to trade any pitching honestly unless it's like a cut or Crawford type guy you know that's kind of a lottery ticket type thing
[SPEAKER_01]: but he could be appealing as a second or third piece to some teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you need two righty bats.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing I didn't mention about Alonzo is it's totally achievable.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just need to sign him basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna be a stupid deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many teams are really going to be in the market for him the Yankees kind of need a third basement that's the only other team that kind of scares me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their name's been connected to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but it's not gonna be a major bidding war.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I think he'll probably be signed by the end of the winter meetings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, I think they were aiming for what 175-200.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's gonna get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably 125 to 150 tops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just go get him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get him.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's no excuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing complex about it in other words.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no mystery to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what you're getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what he's going to cost and you know what you're getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So go get it done.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't get it done, you're not a good executive.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you if you want him as bad as the report seems to suggest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what's what's really intriguing about a
[SPEAKER_02]: The point that you just said is that the contract part of it, he's not going to get a crazy deal, matter the duration of it, just because the market for first base and especially at his age, and now the fact that he really hasn't gotten crazy money the last two times that he's been quasi on the market.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you sign him, we still have the flexibility to go out there and like if you want, and I'm not saying they would, but if you did trade for a
[SPEAKER_02]: You could do it and still get a Lanzo, like it's feasible, because you're not tying up that much money with him, which is super intriguing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the one thing to play devil's advocate because, you know, we were ecstatic about the quotes that we saw today.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing that would scare me and it would just be flipping what we're used to is they go out there because you brought up the
[SPEAKER_02]: player A player B and they're not the players we want.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they come out and they go, we believe he can be a number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we really think this is the guy that's our number foreheader.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying that's going to happen, but I've seen crazier things as a red socks fan, especially in these recent years under high in bloom and frickin' reslow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a step in the right direction that they're saying the right things finally.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not cryptic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they have the same filters that we have in our glasses in seeing what a number two starting picture is and what a power bad that could fit a three or four in the lineup?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I sure that'll hope so.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it remains to be seen and as long as I see Merakami is the betting on its favorite to the socks, I question everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's very well said.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think anyone, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: The, the fan base is always divided and obviously that's just the nature of a sports fan base it always drives me a little crazy when I see people talking about, oh, well, one day the fan said this and then they said this as if they're, you know, a hive mind I mean different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Parts of the fan base are going to be more vocal in one direction or another, you know, you're always going to be having people that disagree with a decision regardless of what what's made.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you could have found people on Twitter that we're saying to crochet trade was terrible and this is ridiculous and why do we want this guy who's not proven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, right now, you know, I am sort of on the fence.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to be a centrist on it, but I don't disagree with either side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that optimism, I totally respect that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think pessimism, totally respect that right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: This offseason could go either way.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could absolutely knock it out of the park.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could absolutely fall flat on our faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: My expectation is maybe it's a little bit of a mix between the two, but it's going to depend on not just breast lows ability as a GM and his aggressiveness as a GM, but also the ability and aggressiveness of other teams is someone just going to offer someone a deal that they can't refuse, maybe it's not even a good deal to offer as a GM, but they say, oh, no, we need this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You never really know what's going to happen and I'm sure that this offseason, just like all in the past, we are going to have some big surprises that we're going to go, whoa, I did not see that coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's closing over for me is it's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do believe this is going to be a tipping point for the fan base.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this offseason, I would agree that the fan base is very divided, fragmented into different sections of opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this offseason leading into the regular season is going to pretty much I think get a majority on one side of the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's no signing this winter that will impress me uh... as far as brez logo's i think he's got the i think he's got the capability of doing it uh... i mean there's not a seven hundred million dollar man on the market this year you can make an argument for kyle talker maybe but i don't see the red socks in the in play for that at all
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a Kyle Tucker guy for some reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's projected to get 400 million or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should I ask you a question here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What, what could an offseason?
[SPEAKER_02]: what type of off season would get you or you're like, wow, I'm actually not full in on Brazil, but where you feel confident.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was actually kind of getting to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I said no signing will impress me, there's not a big guy out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the side from Tucker fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: creativity will impress me, that's what I want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for Nando Taty's trade falls under that, I mean, we know it's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the potteries could be talked into it, but is breastloat going to be the shrewd negotiator that brings that home.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, could tell Marta, I mean, that would be kind of impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, I would say uh, school get creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's uh, you know, go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, like, that's done, Browsky.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, I would go kiss for as low on the mouth of school.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're, uh, I think we would get Joe Ryan before school, but um, we'd go Ryan and crush you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would impress me, yeah, if we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just want to see those Theo Epstein creative moves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Scooble would fall under the Dombrowski category and if it happens, so be it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I want to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Bob Knight and Gail during the trade deadline said a lot of front offices don't like dealing with Craig Reslow and he had that terrible comment which I mentioned last week where he said you know when they asked well why why did you only come away with us in May because well teams have to like our players that was a terrible thing to say like even if it's true don't say it Jesus so anyway um that that's what that's what it's
[SPEAKER_01]: and converting to being a brezban.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, listen, Kirk Brezel treated for a World Series winner and Dustin May, how dare you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least somebody got a ring on this to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think I'll follow it up just to to tack onto your point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe like it's fair to say that no one signing is going to tip the scales and blow you away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to take a few signings, a few trades.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you you need more than just one guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're absolutely right, even just a lawnso.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a lawns, though, and then you clap your hands and act like you're done.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of work to be done guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So get to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, certainly, Brazil has been busy today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure more quotes will come out of the next few days.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be very interesting to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what the finger on the pulse is regarding a lot of these players, a lot of these moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And fingers crossed we come out on top because
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Red Sox are in a place right now where they can take this division, just like we were sort of expected to coming into this year, you know, the early power rankings are already putting us top 10, which I hate early power rankings like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, clearly there's a lot of talent on the roster you just need to supplement it with the right guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, everyone, for listening and watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do appreciate it, like we said, you know, a lot of moves to be made.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the most grueling part of the offseason no doubt is watching the clock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just saying, would something break already?
[SPEAKER_00]: Would some news come out, you know, it's gonna be a day by day type of thing where we're all checking our watches, checking the calendar.
[SPEAKER_00]: and slowly but surely watching guys fall off the board some soon or rather than later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that one of the big names, if past years or to be believed, will probably still be trying to get a deal, come spring training.
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be a trend late.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been Nick joined by Terry and Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have been the bastards of Boston.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for joining us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care.