[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everyone, this is Leon from Prologue Projects.
[SPEAKER_01]: On this subscriber only episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Reannon and Michael are talking about the latest battles over free speech in the Trump era, following the murder of Charlie Kirk.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Trump administration has seized the moment to target speech they don't approve of.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Vice President has urged the public to report anyone celebrating Kirk's death.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call the mount and help call their employer late night hosts have been threatened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Colbert has no talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fallen has no talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kimmel has no talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then next, they're going to be going.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear they're going to be going.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the administration has labeled Antifa not a reorganization as a terrorist group.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first time in American history that there is an old government effort to dismantle left-wing terrorism, to dismantle Antifa, to dismantle the organizations that have been carrying out these acts of political violence and terrorism.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as you'll hear, that only goes so far in practice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Peter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here with the rean and.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, quick and simple.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very easy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Michael.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: like a live from a tin can.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm in the process of a move.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm between apartments or places or whatever, and I'm currently on my phone in a closet, doing my best.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just doing his best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we would rather provide you with poor sounding content than not provide you with content at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's our commitment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most podcasts would have just canceled.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would have said, well wait until everyone has functional microphones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Actually, I think most podcasts do bad audio all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't have talked about us like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're actually incredibly professional.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: We give you such a quality product weekend and week out people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today, we are going to be talking about how you should be thinking about free speech under the new Trump administration.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the most common talking point I hear about like the law these days is just
[SPEAKER_02]: None of this matters anymore, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've talked about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't think that's correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's sort of a stupid and counterproductive way to think about the law now, because the law matters a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stakes are higher than they've been in the recent past.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's important to understand the nuances and given all the drama around the reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder with widespread speech policing that ultimately included Jimmy Kimmel somehow, we thought it would be good to discuss the state of free speech in this country under Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does the law say?
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens in practice, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: What can you say?
[SPEAKER_02]: What can't you say?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in order to do this, we need to first talk about some key elements of free speech law because lurking behind this discussion is the fact that a bunch of people got into trouble for
[SPEAKER_02]: speech that was perhaps either embracing violence overtly or maybe laughing about violence, things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you got fired from your job because you made a joke about Charlie Kirk getting popped, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or even just sharing kind of like your opinion about it, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: That like,
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