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[SPEAKER_11]: Good Sunday morning.
[SPEAKER_11]: The nation is at the epicenter of history making moments here at home and on the global stage.
[SPEAKER_11]: In Washington, business has ground through a halt for the 5th straight day, the government closed with lawmakers deadlocked over how to reopen it.
[SPEAKER_11]: And in the Middle East, just days before the two-year anniversary of the October 7th attacks, a potential breakthrough on President Trump's 20-point piece proposal.
[SPEAKER_11]: Hamas agreeing to release all of the hostages and Israel vowing to halt bombing in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_11]: But with key details, still ling- I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where did Israel vowed a bomb?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where did Israel vowed a halt to all bombing in Gaza when even after Trump said Israel must immediately stop bombing Gaza.
[SPEAKER_04]: Israel still kept bombing Gaza and they still are.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't understand where this vow came from.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, if a deal was finalized, then they would stop bombing, but the point is that they're not stopping the bombing at all, it's just like, so I don't know where she's getting that from, but the bombing has a stock.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, is that in the deal allegedly, is it in the, isn't, isn't that in the, the 20 points?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, if the deal, if the deal, if the deal, it has an even like pledge, they haven't even said, I haven't even heard Netanyahu say, yeah, we're going to, we'll stop bombing because, of course, they insist.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is part of this fake peace plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Israel insists on being able to continue to occupy Gaza at will.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now there's,
[SPEAKER_04]: the issue to work out is like how far Israel will withdraw but net news already said we're not pulling out of Gaza right yes so she's basically just doing like PR for Israel at this point which is not surprising well it's only been two years yeah yeah it's only been two years of PR for a genocidal regime yeah my stop now exactly sorry can the nearly two year war come to an end
[SPEAKER_04]: it's not a war, it's not a war, but war is involved, sovereign nations, or at minimum, somewhat equally matched sides, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: The people of Gaza have nothing to defend themselves, nothing to do with some fighters, with some light weapons that can, yeah, sometimes kill invading Israeli soldiers, but
[SPEAKER_04]: They have no artillery, they have no tanks, they have nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's no war in the situation and there's no war where you have one side slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just a what you would call a genocide or mass murder like whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not a war.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I think it's Norman Finkelstein and others have made this point, but early on he was basically like every time the media refers to this as a war, it's a PR coup for Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, up first we have Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the guy's supposed to be a diplomat, but keeping with tradition of
[SPEAKER_04]: the best secretary states does very little diplomacy and in fact undermines it constantly.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here he is talking about the prospects for Trump so-called peace deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to say, you know, he's saying this on CBS news and congratulations to all CBS news employees.
[SPEAKER_04]: Starting your first day under your new editor-in-chief, Barry Weiss.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Barry Weiss started on the
[SPEAKER_04]: about how excited she has to work with everybody.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very wise for those who don't know as a pro-Israel activist, spent her college years trying to get Palestinian professors, fired at Columbia, then went on to work at the near times.
[SPEAKER_04]: She quit because she said it was too woke.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then she went on to found the wokenest outlet of them all.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think if you define woken as being like hyper-sensitive and identitarian because she's in pro-Israel activists and so she's used the free press.
[SPEAKER_04]: to basically advocate for Israel, including by denying famine.
[SPEAKER_04]: So why not give her one knock over the job heading up CBS News, which she is now undertaking because the elicins, one of the richest people in the world, just bought CBS News and gave her job as editor-in-chief.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right, I mean, go back to the woke comment that you made.
[SPEAKER_13]: I do indeed think that there's a definitely a weaponization of identity politics that we see.
[SPEAKER_13]: And critics of wokeism criticize that.
[SPEAKER_13]: They don't use those words.
[SPEAKER_13]: But that basically is what they're criticizing.
[SPEAKER_13]: And of course, she, as you just referred to Aaron, is the biggest weaponizer of identity politics, which she uses as a shield to justify the slaughter Palestinians because everything is anti-Semitism.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the memo she wrote to CBS employees was just released it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was reading it and I like it thick of like this is a great scene to opening scene to a horror movie like you show up at work at your journalism job.
[SPEAKER_04]: And all of a sudden you get a new brand new welcome note from like your new boss.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like it's very wise who is a foolish person.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not talking about physically, but in terms of spiritually advocating for
[SPEAKER_04]: Jenna Sidal is real.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, there's a line in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, I can't wait to get to know you.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think what she means by this, I can't wait to get to know those of you who see palestines as human beings because you're out.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're out.
[SPEAKER_04]: So a new era at CBS News begins today.
[SPEAKER_04]: It should be interesting.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, Mazeltoff, Barry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get to the now.
[SPEAKER_04]: The now very waste controlled face donation interviewing Marker would be up.
[SPEAKER_04]: happens as quickly as possible.
[SPEAKER_12]: But you pointed out that releases can't happen when bombardments are underway.
[SPEAKER_12]: Our CBS team in Gaza tells us that there are Israeli bombardments underway.
[SPEAKER_12]: There were strikes Saturday, 10s killed more injuries, bombings continuing.
[SPEAKER_12]: One incident included 10 people killed when they tried to check in on their homes in areas where there are also military sites.
[SPEAKER_12]: Is that acceptable?
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I think ultimately what you're going to see here is that when an agreement is reached on, these are logistics behind when the release is going to happen, then I think you'll see those bombardment stop, and I think some of that activities are already decreased somewhat.
[SPEAKER_16]: So there's a framework here, and the framework is simple.
[SPEAKER_16]: Once you agree on the logistics of how this is going to happen, I think these railies and everyone acknowledge you can't release hostages in the middle of strikes.
[SPEAKER_16]: So the strikes will have to stop, and as you saw the President state that very clearly on Friday, where he
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but what is Israel done?
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've continued their strikes.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, one of Israel's latest targets was the UNRA Center for the Blind.
[SPEAKER_04]: So a facility run by the UN helping blind people in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's among Israel's latest targets.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the bombing hasn't stopped.
[SPEAKER_04]: People are still being slaughtered every single day.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's Marco Rubio and Donald Trump who are facilitating it, despite Trump even saying the bombing should stop.
[SPEAKER_04]: It proves how completely feclists they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: But you know, Aaron Israel likes to brag about how diverse it is.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I think that they didn't want to be ableist by excluding blind people from their genocide.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it just shows how, it's the same pattern as Biden where the administration says one thing, you know, some gestures towards some sort of step toward peace.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as well just ignore it, because as it will know, it doesn't have to take anything seriously that the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: says.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have carte blush.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And also, I mean,
[SPEAKER_13]: They're acting as if they're an agreement will be reached, but if there's the past teaches us anything, it's that Israel constantly sabotage the things.
[SPEAKER_13]: And when they do make these ceasefires, they still bomb during the ceasefires.
[SPEAKER_13]: They bomb less, but they continue their attacks.
[SPEAKER_13]: So.
[SPEAKER_16]: What astees release to begin to pull back to create the conditions for these release?
[SPEAKER_16]: So this is not a violation of that.
[SPEAKER_16]: There's going to be a lot of complexes.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, we're trying to get the hostages out.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's the bottom line.
[SPEAKER_16]: We want to get the hostages out as soon as possible.
[SPEAKER_16]: For that to happen, there can't be a war going on in the middle of it.
[SPEAKER_16]: And Hamas has to agree to turn them over.
[SPEAKER_16]: And we have to have the right people go in and get them.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's what we're going to focus on right now.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that's what we've been focused on.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that's what the talks are going to be about today on Monday, on Tuesday, to get this done as soon as possible.
[SPEAKER_04]: they want to work out the details, they want to work out, for example, a situation where Israel doesn't continue to militarily occupy Gaza, and they also want the basic rights of Palestinian people respected.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just about
[SPEAKER_04]: freeing the captives.
[SPEAKER_04]: They also want some sort of outcome, which protects what they call in their statement, Palestinians, inalienable rights.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's at the core of this whole issue.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have a conflict, we have a problem because Palestinians inalienable rights have always been violated by Israel and the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's going to be a tough because Trump and Israel are no mood to grant Palestinians anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you read there, so-called peace plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's as Danibutu talked to us about last week on our show.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all about what Israel wants.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing for Palestinians except for a vague promise, like a vague nod towards eventual possible conditional statehood one day down the line, which is totally meaningless.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, status quo, big time.
[SPEAKER_04]: And to make sure that Palestinians don't have their rights, for example, they're going to keep, I think, refusing to release people like Marwan Barguzzi, who is seen as the most popular Palestinian leader, who is a prison for more than two decades, precisely because they don't want to allow someone who can possibly unite the Palestinian people and be a credible leader, because they just want to keep Palestinians divided.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we physically, between the West Bank and Gaza,
[SPEAKER_13]: By the way, it's worth noting there's something weird with the audio on your hand there and I'm not sure if it's Your volume is that higher something or I'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, fresh.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, great.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's a, it's a curse to have such good hearing guys.
[SPEAKER_13]: Let me tell you something.
[SPEAKER_13]: I just want to say that it's worth noting, by the way, that Marco Rubio did not answer Brennan's question, but that's hardly surprising.
[SPEAKER_13]: Not surprising at all.
[SPEAKER_13]: It kind of goes with the territory, so.
[SPEAKER_13]: Alrighty.
[SPEAKER_13]: What do we got next?
[SPEAKER_13]: We have some more Marco Rubio.
[SPEAKER_11]: Mr. Secretary, I want to read point 19 of the President's peace plan.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'll put it up so folks can see it.
[SPEAKER_11]: It says, quote, while Gaza redevelopment advances and when the Palestinian Authority reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
[SPEAKER_11]: Does the Trump administration now support Palestinian statehood, Mr. Secretary?
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, look, first of all, that provision was very important to the countries that signed on with us, and Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, etc., that's a very important point to them.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think the most important point to read out of that is that you have to have somebody to turn it over to, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: Someone that you can hand that over to.
[SPEAKER_16]: We've always said that if there's going to be a two-state solution that has to be negotiated with Israel, it has to make sure that Israel's security system.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has to be negotiated with Israel, which says there will never be a Palestinian state.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like Netanyahu was bragged about how he spent his whole career trying to deny Palestinian state.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're telling Palestinians.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can only have a state if you negotiate with the government that says you'll never have a state.
[SPEAKER_14]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: How does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_04]: And when they did negotiate with a government that was even willing to negotiate with Palestinians.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that was Netanyahu's predecessors in the labor party like Yutak Rabin and Hudbrok.
[SPEAKER_04]: These rarely use the so-called peace process to expand the illegal colonies, aka settlements that make a Palestinian state impossible.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have to negotiate with people who either say there will never be a Palestinian state or who use an negotiations to undermine a Palestinian state.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the first.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, and it's interesting because the people who Gideon Levy, the great Israeli journalist, very extremely critical of Israel, he used to say that everyone who was for the two state solution when it was possible is no.
[SPEAKER_13]: Now knows that that's not possible, so all the people who are advocating for the two-state solution were the people who opposed it when it was possible, but now they don't even pay lip service to it, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: They used to pay lip service to it, and now they're just openly saying no two-state solution, which in a ways you got it's one of the few times where this real is being honest.
[SPEAKER_13]: So maybe steps in into account.
[SPEAKER_16]: And so I would argue that I wouldn't say this is a new policy position.
[SPEAKER_16]: What I would say is you want to be able to have in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_16]: A place, Israel has no interest in governing Gaza.
[SPEAKER_16]: They want to turn it over to somebody, some organization that will govern it, that will not build tunnels and sponsor terrorism and come across the line and kidnap rape and murder.
[SPEAKER_04]: There is repeating the whole rape hoax.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've gone through that, but that's,
[SPEAKER_04]: a complete scam.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's done precisely because Israel's whole aim is to destroy Gaza, make it unlovable, expels many people as possible.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when he talks about, you know, people not building tunnels, what he means is people who will not resist in defense of Palestinian's basic rights, which is the right to freedom.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what Israel's seeking to crush here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're trying to find somebody who will rule Gaza, who will help them crush the population and at least the population that remains.
[SPEAKER_04]: like where are people going to live more than 90, well over 90% of housing has been destroyed, infrastructure has been destroyed, already before October 7th, it was a disaster.
[SPEAKER_04]: The UN was warning before October 7th that Gaza might not even be livable within a few years.
[SPEAKER_04]: So imagine what it's like now.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah Israel doesn't want to rule Gaza, they just want to leave it in rubble.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it wants to military, and it does want to occupy parts of it militarily to make sure that there won't be any more resistance to a
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, maybe technically it's really is once again kind of telling the truth when it says they don't want a rule Gaza because they just want it to eventually be Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's turn to pressure.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, let's just play the very end of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sir.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_16]: Drey Lee, that's who they want to turn it over too.
[SPEAKER_16]: And right now that doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_16]: That has to be built.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, so note that he says that's what they want to turn it over to at doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_13]: That has to be built me saying like basically, you know, the perfect Palestinian organization that doesn't rape and behead and build tunnels.
[SPEAKER_13]: So basically, this is giving us a real clue into what they're going to be doing, which is saying we'd love to hand it over, but it just doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_13]: This, this, this, this Palestinian organization just doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they even have in the West Bank a complete collaborator in the Palcina Authority.
[SPEAKER_04]: But because the Palcina Authority still insists on doing some performative things, like going to the International Criminal Court or applying for statehood at the UN, then even though they're totally serve aisle to Israel and the U.S., even the Palcina Authority can't rule Gaza according to Israel and the Trump administration, because they're just looking for 100% collaboration, it's supposed to like, I don't know, 85%.
[SPEAKER_13]: So, just go ahead.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's turn to Jake Tapper.
[SPEAKER_04]: He has some exclusive journalism for us.
[SPEAKER_13]: That he's amazing.
[SPEAKER_08]: Tapper in Washington with the state of our union is praying for peace.
[SPEAKER_08]: We begin with Breaking News, my exclusive.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking it's weird that Jake Tapper does a state of union thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, as if he represents the union, like,
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'd say Jake Tappers, I mean, at least when the president does it and say the union speech, I mean, they are the president.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can talk with the electoral college.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very divided country sure, but they have some constituent say they have a mandate.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jake Tapper, I do not think speaks for for the union.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he speaks for a very niche audience of pro Israel pundits on corporate TV, which is just not.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's praying for peace after cheerleading genocide for two years.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know, maybe you could have advocated peace and promoted peace for the last two years, rather than praying for it now after laundering all the propaganda, put out by Israel to wage genocide, just a thought, Jake Peppermint, praying for peace.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what do you mean to he's praying for Marco Rubio and then you have planned to succeed?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, leave Gaza destroyed, have the captives released, and have palacines given absolutely nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, that's what we're praying for.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, can we, can we play that from the very beginning?
[SPEAKER_13]: I just want to make sure I didn't miss something.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I'm Jake Tapper in Washington with the state of our union is praying for peace.
[SPEAKER_08]: We begin with breaking news, my exclusive new interview with President Trump on the prospect for a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
[SPEAKER_08]: Almost two years to the day after the brutal Hamas attacks on him.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Hamas Jake, like we're not Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like if you're an Israel, okay, fine, say Hamas, whatever you do.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're in the United States of America, okay?
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Hamas.
[SPEAKER_13]: Not Hamas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's also interesting because it's not, I mean, that's like, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not Hamas and Arabic either.
[SPEAKER_13]: But it is, I guess, with it when he was in jail, that's how we're in jail.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's speaking like, it was really scary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're in America.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here, I'm going to be kind of like a nativeist, like a America Firster J. This is America.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't speak like Israelis.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so arrogant.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it speaks the fact that he's a Jewish supremacist.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what he spends his time doing on TV.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I think the irony is that, excuse me, not to get to and by the way, Aaron just did something Aaron just pulled in America first, hold on.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Aaron, you're in America first, their first term, which means that this is the first time you've expressed your America first position in stark moment, American first, American first, that that was my American first, first of moment, yes, that's it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Great.
[SPEAKER_13]: Also, you know, the irony is that the Hassan comes from Yiddish, which is of course a language that is real, what did not allow to be spoken there because they have such disdain for the diaspora Jewish population and they had to create the new Jew.
[SPEAKER_13]: but they bring it into their pronunciation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Jake Tapper, the conversations that he sparks just by being a Jewish supremacist activist on court.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, maybe he's a closet, a yiddishist.
[SPEAKER_08]: Israel, as the president sends out a negotiation.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, wait, one thing that we forgot.
[SPEAKER_13]: We got to comment on this, hello.
[SPEAKER_08]: As the president sends, hello.
[SPEAKER_08]: plus two years to the day after the brutal Hamas attacks on Israel, as the president said.
[SPEAKER_13]: And remember, history just started on October 7th, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_13]: And not like, you know, two years to the day after Hamas attacked Israel responded with unprecedented disproportionate attacks, more crimes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Israel responded with genocide and again, if you're going to talk about October 7, you know, the brutal Hamas attacks and you're talking about the people killed, you also got a knowledge that Israel killed some of its own people on October 7.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like if this was the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, as people like Jake Tapper left to say, then Israel was complicit in that massacre because Israel killed its own people.
[SPEAKER_04]: because as we've covered a lot.
[SPEAKER_13]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Under the Hannibal director of Israel rather kill it to own people, to let them be taken captive by Hamas because that would then obligate them to negotiate with Hamas, which they don't want to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they don't want to have to release their the Palestinian hostes that they hold by the thousands upon thousands in Israeli prisons.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it wouldn't have been amazing.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it is genocide.
[SPEAKER_13]: When I offered him in a way, he could have said it, that included war crimes.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's because I have no expectation.
[SPEAKER_13]: He would ever say genocide.
[SPEAKER_13]: I was just kind of showing examples of even for someone who won't call it genocide.
[SPEAKER_13]: You could actually describe what Israel was doing.
[SPEAKER_13]: But you know, he'll be interesting if someone was like, I don't remember the date that it was that you have the lot said no water, no food.
[SPEAKER_13]: We're going to treat them like,
[SPEAKER_13]: No electricity, we're going to their human animals and they're going to be treated as such.
[SPEAKER_13]: So I'm going to try to find out what day that was.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think it may have been the day after, because that's another anniversary they should be marking.
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's an occasion to try to hammer out the details of this deal in which Hamas has agreed to return these really hostages, but several points remain quite unresolved.
[SPEAKER_08]: The President answered my questions on text about his hopes for this nascent deal.
[SPEAKER_08]: I asked him, what happens if Hamas insists on staying in power in Gaza?
[SPEAKER_08]: The President said, complete obliteration.
[SPEAKER_13]: Isn't it interesting?
[SPEAKER_13]: He doesn't say like, I asked the president of what happens if Israel doesn't stop its bombing, which they never do when they say they're bombing through, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: Like he just immediately puts the blame on hummus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, and look at Trump's response, complete obliteration as opposed to what the obliteration of the president moment, which has been going on for two years, like Gaza destroyed.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what does he do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the only other thing Israel could do is drop a nuclear bomb.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, is that what you're starting here?
[SPEAKER_13]: Or have to.
[SPEAKER_13]: Then I said, I assume you know, sorry, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Jake Cover could say, what do you mean by complete obliteration?
[SPEAKER_04]: But Jake Cover likes that prospect.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a great, let's go next question.
[SPEAKER_13]: Next, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: You saw that Senator Lindsey Graham interpreted Hamas's response as a rejection since Hamas insisted on no disarmament keeping Gaza under Palestinian control and tying hostage release to negotiations.
[SPEAKER_13]: Wait, can we just say that the idea that it's a rejection because they want it to be under-Palestinian control?
[SPEAKER_13]: All they're saying is, I mean, and we've talked about this a lot.
[SPEAKER_13]: Hamas has been saying since very relatively early on in the process of negotiations that they are okay not ruling Gaza.
[SPEAKER_13]: But for them, you aren't even allowed to say we would like Palestinians to be ruling it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I mean, Jake and Lindsey Graham are flagging the fact that Hamas insists on keeping some weapons, which they do, they want to keep, they want to keep basically like their rifles because their rifles protect them from invading Israeli soldiers.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they don't want to just completely give up on other weapons.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that that that's one of the reasons for October for Israel's response to October 7, which is that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because the natives raised their heads and resisted, they have their entire population has to be taught a lesson.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's what the New York Times called Israel's aura of power, which was challenged by October 7.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so the idea of like the indigenous people keeping their defensive weapons,
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a non-starter for fanatics like Lindsey Graham and Jake Tapper and these really government and presumably Trump as well.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well yeah, that's the first point right, known as disarmament, but I guess what's striking to me is that it's keeping Gaza under Palestinian control that makes it a rejection.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Because if for that to be true, then for that to be a rejection of the deal, then you're basically saying that the deal implicitly at least requires non-Palestinian control.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thanks, Lindsey again for that honesty is Lindsey Graham wrong the president said we will find out only time will tell I love the only history exclamation points at the end of tell I asked him when will you know if Hamas is truly committed or just stringing the world along and is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on board with end
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, notice the way he says when will you know whether or not Hamas is just stringing the world along?
[SPEAKER_13]: And,
[SPEAKER_13]: Then the next, hold on, let's just contrast this.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sorry about this, hold on a second.
[SPEAKER_08]: Or just stringing the world along.
[SPEAKER_08]: And is prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on board with ending the bombing as you called for and whatever else you need him to do to make it on one case.
[SPEAKER_13]: In one case, on the homicide, it's stringing the world along being dishonest, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: On the Netanyahu side, it's not about being dishonest, just stringing anyone along.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's about whether or not he's on board.
[SPEAKER_13]: right so like just the subtle ways that he's injecting asymmetry there is asymmetry in terms of genocide versus received like you know imposing genocide versus receiving it but the honesty asymmetry is just shocking and it's such these subtle ways that he builds it into it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, take this piece proposal a reality the president said yes on baby soon on the rest
[SPEAKER_13]: I said, I'm a little worried.
[SPEAKER_13]: There's only one exclamation point there.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's hard to take him seriously.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's missing too.
[SPEAKER_08]: That I thought the Arab League calling on Hamas to not be part of any future leadership and Gaza Palestine was a remarkable step.
[SPEAKER_08]: Are they committed to seeing your plan implemented and will they help with funding and a law enforcement presence or whatever is needed?
[SPEAKER_04]: A law enforcement presence.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what it means by that is a dystopian
[SPEAKER_04]: future where the people of Gaza are living in, like, like, at least those who remain are living in tents, making the concentration camp of Gaza, just even more dystopian and horrific and being policed by collaborator forces.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what he means by a law enforcement presence.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he wants and these people are such, they're so entitled and so arrogant that they just expect the, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: what they help with funding.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like will they pay for like your dystopian concentration camp?
[SPEAKER_04]: And guys, so that's what Jake Tapper's asking.
[SPEAKER_13]: Also, yeah, and this and this interesting, again, Tapper says, I thought the Arab League calling on Hamas to not be part of any future leadership in Gaza, Palestine, a remarkable step.
[SPEAKER_13]: So again, he's just putting his opinions into this.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's so happy.
[SPEAKER_13]: He sees this as like, yay, Arabs against Arabs against Hamas.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yay, it's so remarkable.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you can just see how he's excited about this and sees it that way, really disgusting.
[SPEAKER_13]: But also, I'm really worried about this
[SPEAKER_13]: One exclamation point and working hard, no exclamation points.
[SPEAKER_13]: So how hard is she really working?
[SPEAKER_08]: I said, I hope peace would become a reality.
[SPEAKER_08]: President said, I hope, and that he was working hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also, so again, Jake Tapper, playing the outright activist there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope your vision for peace becomes a reality.
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, Trump's vision for peace is predicated on granting the Palestinians.
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And enforcing Israeli occupation over them.
[SPEAKER_04]: And guys, and also over the West Bank, which his peace penses absolutely nothing about nothing with the West Bank, because Palestinians
[SPEAKER_04]: live under perpetual and expanding as real occupation with fanatical.
[SPEAKER_04]: settlers quote unquote, you know, fanatic Jewish supremacists from places like Brooklyn taking over the land and terrorizing them.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's Trump's vision for peace, the Jake Taper and Gorses.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right, and also as Diana Boutou explained in our interview with her, the wonderful Diana Boutou Palestinian lawyer, she explained that even if like all of this goes through, what they're getting, what they're being offered is not peace.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's not self-determination, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like it's living under Israeli control.
[SPEAKER_13]: So even the plan, if it goes through, is not peace.
[SPEAKER_13]: And last thing I want to say, you know, it's so rich that he talks about Hamas string in the world along.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, everyone, not everyone, but even in New York times, and Israeli media, have acknowledged that it's Netanyahu stringing the world along and refusing to make deals and sabotaging deals every chance he gets.
[SPEAKER_04]: Netanyahu along with the Biden administration and Trump administration.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, remember back, get when Whitcaff and negotiate with that deal with Hamas to free these Rayleigh American soldiers or Edon Alexander and Whitcaff was like, yeah, if you do this as a good gesture, we'll make sure that more aid gets in to Gaza.
[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, they're completely reneged on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Dave, all been, you know, Trump has been saying for months, oh, we're so close to a deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're so, so close.
[SPEAKER_04]: And meanwhile, by the way,
[SPEAKER_04]: alongside Wikoth is Jared Kushner, who's an outright pro-Israel activist.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's talked before about how he wants to see guys have turned into like a resort for the ultra-wealthy and how like basically the Palestinians have to leave.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now Jared Kushner, who's supposed to be out of government, is now back in.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that he's there, Steve Wikoth is there, Steve Wikoth,
[SPEAKER_04]: gave a speech at a gala for like a prozo group fundraiser.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he got like for a clamp to win the former chief of Masad clap for him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like my Jewish mother will be so proud of me.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's what we have to go shading on behalf of the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like Israel firsters who've used all the negotiations to advance Israel's agenda.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's turn to
[SPEAKER_04]: James Stavreides, James Stavreides, he's the former NATO Supreme Allied commander.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are his thoughts on Trump's fake peace plan?
[SPEAKER_00]: To pre-malide commander, Admiral James Stavreides, whose book, the restless wave is now available in paperback.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good to see you, Admiral Stavreides, from what you heard from Secretary Rubio, the president, and others do you think this time there could be a ceasefire?
[SPEAKER_10]: I certainly hope so.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I kind of share a cautious sense of optimism about it.
[SPEAKER_10]: Although gosh, Martha, we've seen this now for almost a year kind of a loop of peanuts, Lucy with the football, Hamas pulls it away at the last minute.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, I'll give you some.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hamas has repeatedly just had one position which basically will release all the captives if you stop the genocide.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's their position.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's the idea that they pulled away the last minute.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, there were there were talks over the summer.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the mediators said that Hamas had agreed to like 98% of everything that Trump was demanding.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was Israel that again keep kept changing the terms.
[SPEAKER_04]: This happened under Biden too.
[SPEAKER_04]: He like he talked about this this pattern over the last year, you know, Lucy with the foot like Lucy with the football like that hack need analogy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's always
[SPEAKER_04]: Israel changing the terms that it previously agreed to and the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: whether it's Biden or Trump covering it up, that's the pattern.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's really is, well, I mean, not to sound corny or like a broken record, but it really is.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like up is down, down is up, you know, blue is green, whatever, just the total inversion.
[SPEAKER_04]: And those people love these like football analogies like you know JD Vance.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we recently had this on our shows like he's like we're on the one yard line, but you know, we're like, but like, no, you're nowhere you're just committing genocide and you're lying about Having a piece deal that's going to solve anything when really just trying to perpetuate
[SPEAKER_04]: is really aggression.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: And by the way, speaking of solving things, I have a problem that I need you guys in watching to solve, which is that we have just under half of you guys have liked it.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I know that half of you are in hate watching.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Again, if you want to do with that way, fine, but only after you've done it, you've actually clicked.
[SPEAKER_13]: So by the end of this clip,
[SPEAKER_13]: And I'm going to take away the football.
[SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we've done extensive polling and biometric surveillance of our audience and our figures all were repeatedly show that our hate watch audiences is about 49%.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's not 50%.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the 51% of you who are not hate watching, please give it a like.
[SPEAKER_04]: Please give it a like, yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: three things I'm thinking about as I watch whether it'll succeed or not.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's like that old Warrens of on song, send lawyers, guns, and money, meaning what's the governance going to be, the lawyers?
[SPEAKER_04]: I do live in people make like niche references that no one will get.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like most people aren't going to know the Warrens of on song, lawyers go into money, but hey, I like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what he likes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not his playlist, so he's going with it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's a it's from 1978 and apparently the narrator goes home with the waitress only to find out she is associated with the Russian mafia.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm actually going to make fun of my dad here.
[SPEAKER_04]: My dad Gabor.
[SPEAKER_04]: He gives a talk where he plays an Elvis Presley song.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he goes, uh, for I would, it's called, he's always like, and we all know this song.
[SPEAKER_04]: He plays now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, no one in the audience knows what it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that, you know, he's a boomer.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's his generation.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he assumes everyone knows what it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: So so Admiral, the Admiral is doing something similar here.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's just got born in.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_13]: But in, in defense of God, or I will say that Elvis Presley is more well.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's better
[SPEAKER_10]: the guns.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think that's the biggest sticking point we heard that from Secretary Rubio.
[SPEAKER_10]: Got to get the guns out of the hands of Hamas and money.
[SPEAKER_10]: Who's going to pay for it?
[SPEAKER_10]: Those are the three things I'm really watching, but yeah, I'm very cautiously optimistic.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the lawyers come in because we're going to punish Palestinians if they try to go to the National Criminal Court.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Go for accountable for war crimes and we're going to prevent anyone from governing the Palestinians who insist on Palestinians rights on our international law, which includes not being mass murdered, having the right to return to their stolen homes and not living under military occupation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's enough of this guy, but great, great cultural references there from
[SPEAKER_04]: Admiral Stavoretus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's turn to I love this guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's the author of not one but two books.
[SPEAKER_04]: kissing Israel's feet.
[SPEAKER_04]: The genius of Israel, and also start up nation, which is like, feet into this narrative that Israel's gotten where it is just because it's so, it's so smart, it harnesses the power of its people, not because it's stole Palestinians, lands, stole their culture, and committed ethnic cleansing, and it's founding enough genocide.
[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, his name is Dan Sennr, and here he is with his thoughts.
[SPEAKER_13]: And don't forget he was the chief spokesman for the coalition provisional authority in Iraq.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And senior foreign policy adviser to U.S.
[SPEAKER_13]: President Joe Candidate Mitt Romney.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: What a resume.
[SPEAKER_04]: Actions on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does this give enough to a Saudi Arabia for normalization or do they need more in terms of some commitment to a Palestinian state?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think they have always needed some expression of a path to statehood.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's language in this 20 point, the other talks about path to statehood.
[SPEAKER_06]: If Israel is serious about working with the stabilization group that's going to come in with these Arab countries and with non-Hamass Palestinians
[SPEAKER_06]: Palestinian technocratic class to work in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's probably sufficient for Saudi.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the real question.
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, we talked about some kind of technocratic class Palestinian class in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, you know, it's great you pointed out that he was the spokesperson for the coalition provisional authority in Iraq because that's what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just finding collaborators who will help
[SPEAKER_04]: the enlightened rulers of the region, which is Israel in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: police the population.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And subjugate them.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we've talking about.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it really is incredible to hear this tech techno-cratt.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, and Ruby and Clips that we didn't show today, Ruby also embraces the term.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, they're very on-message with the techno-cratt.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Imagine writing a book called The Genius of Israel.
[SPEAKER_13]: And then being asked to come on to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but the genius of not actively talk about it is really the genius of Nazi Germany.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just so, it's so offensive.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, also, I imagine having on a guest who had written a book called, like, the Genius of Palestine or something.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like, when health reasons over would mainstream media have on a guest who had ever written something like that.
[SPEAKER_13]: But you're allowed to write on Israel.
[SPEAKER_13]: He also went to, I don't know what degree he got, but he did attend Hebrew University.
[SPEAKER_13]: And this is also amazing, ready?
[SPEAKER_13]: His wife, Campbell Brown, people may recognize her because she was co-anchor of NBC's news program weekend today.
[SPEAKER_13]: And then she also had a show called Campbell Brown on CNN.
[SPEAKER_13]: But she also, she was head of global media partnerships somewhere at Mehta.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, OK, well, again, it's a wonderful that our tech
[SPEAKER_04]: and their activism for Israel, everyone's involved, you know, people with broadcast experience, people with pro-Israel activism experience, everyone's in there, making sure that like we can't share images of dead Palestinian civilians on social media.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the genius of Israel and that's why it's a scrappy start-up nation is it like it also helps censor People around the world who are appalled it into atrocities.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's the real genius of Israel Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hear what also one other thing on once.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, she's really into school choice to charge school.
[SPEAKER_13]: So she likes to undermine public education
[SPEAKER_06]: here is we've heard a lot over the last two years, really over the last few months that this is a genocide, you know, which I obviously strongly dispute.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I think the first moral obligation for anyone who's been calling this a genocide for the last two years is
[SPEAKER_06]: There's now an opportunity to stop, to quote unquote, stop the genocide.
[SPEAKER_06]: So why anyone is not rushing to embrace the deal that would quote unquote stop the genocide?
[SPEAKER_06]: To me, either reveals that you were never serious, that this was a genocide.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was just a political argument to use against Israel.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that the Saudis and others knew it wasn't a genocide, and they actually do want stability, and they want some semblance of
[SPEAKER_06]: Statehood for Palestinians, I would call it statehood minus.
[SPEAKER_06]: They recognize there has to be some security limitations in terms of... I love that.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: A Palestinian government could do in Gaza?
[SPEAKER_13]: I like, again, we're seeing so much on this episode, statehood minus.
[SPEAKER_13]: He doesn't even pretend that they're that statehood is on the table.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's statehood minus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know what I said, pretty much the exact same thing is, you talk Reban, who was the architect of the so-called peace process.
[SPEAKER_04]: We said, right before he was assassinated, buying his rally, who had been incited by people like Netanyahu, because
[SPEAKER_04]: for Netanyahu, even offering Palestinians less than a state, which what we're being said, we're giving Palestinians a less than a state, even that was giving Palestinians too much in the eyes of Netanyahu, who, you know, would call, we're being a traitor and incited his murder.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we're being would say that we're giving them less than a state.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's yeah, he said that in a speech right before he was assessed in actually 20 years ago,
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, next month, if I'm not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_04]: So 20 years since Netanyahu incited the murder of Yutak Rabin, for doing exactly what Dan Sainer is advocating now, giving Palestinians less in the state, which in Netanyahu's eyes was even too generous to Palestinian.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, um, and, uh, his point there about genocide, like, if you think it's a genocide,
[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you oppose a peace plan to stop it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what if the so-called peace plan does nothing to stop or it does not guarantee an end to the genocide and preserves Israel's self-declared right to militarily occupied Gaza and kill people and just nothing to safeguard Palestinians rights to protect them from a state that is bent on ethnic cleansing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just such a cynical point he's trying to make there, basically saying that because Israel's committing genocide, you should accept whatever is on the table, even if it means allowing for the genocide to pick up down the line.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: And also, I like the way he's, I mean, there's no evidence that Saudi Arabia doesn't consider this genocide, but like we're supposed to take Saudi Arabia's opinion on this.
[SPEAKER_13]: I was like, well, we do have the, let's see, what is it?
[SPEAKER_13]: The international association of
[SPEAKER_13]: The UN, we have people like Omar Bartov, one of the world's leading scholars of the Holocaust in genocide, who happens to be in his rally.
[SPEAKER_13]: He says it's genocide, Israeli, American, Ross Seagull says it's genocide, amnesty, international, human rights watch, but Stan Seenor and Saudi Arabia, no more than all those people in organizations.
[SPEAKER_13]: When it comes to genocide, like what Saudi Arabia has genocide Dar again, I don't even see any evidence that they don't think it's genocide, but what it absurd, like metric to look at this through.
[SPEAKER_04]: We should say, too, by the way, that Israel is still holding hostage dozens, hundreds, but I think at this point, people from the global summit photo that a kidnapped, holding them in horrible conditions,
[SPEAKER_04]: taking away people's medication, including people who are elderly, and need the medication to survive.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that got zero attention this week on the Sunday morning news shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like whatever, just like, is there a kidnapping people from more than 40 countries holding them hostage, terrible conditions, and overcrowded on sanitary cells, whatever?
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing to see here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing to see.
[SPEAKER_13]: And also apparently they like made Greta, Tumberg, like kiss and Israeli flag.
[SPEAKER_13]: Wrap-turn Israeli flag.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
[SPEAKER_13]: I wouldn't be surprised.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't be surprised.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, one of the prisons where they're being held is the prison where the editor of the Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg worked as a Israeli prison guard.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, let's love that roll down memory lane.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's so much symbolism here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, for Powell Clemser, look, a rare thing happened on the sentiment of new shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: They let us.
[SPEAKER_13]: We call that a pal, pal, pal cleanser.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's a pal, a stiny and pal cleanser.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they let a pal saint speak.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is Dianibuto, who was on your floaty last week.
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's hear.
[SPEAKER_13]: Obviously, I just want to interject that obviously, uh, Farie's a, uh, is a fan of, is a fan of useful idiots.
[SPEAKER_13]: Or maybe not a fan, maybe he, maybe he hate watches us.
[SPEAKER_13]: And Farie, if you're watching right now, hi.
[SPEAKER_13]: And he was inspired by our booker of Diana.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's sending a signal.
[SPEAKER_04]: He wants us to stop making fun of him.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's hoping that this all of branched by it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you want to be our favorite guests.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, Farie.
[SPEAKER_04]: No pass for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the end of book.
[SPEAKER_09]: whole elections.
[SPEAKER_09]: But there's a bigger issue here.
[SPEAKER_09]: This isn't just about elections.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is about freedom.
[SPEAKER_09]: And there's nothing in this plan that is guaranteeing Palestinians they're free to.
[SPEAKER_09]: Palestinians now have been living under Israeli military rule, and there's nothing in this plan or in any plan that is guaranteeing that that yoke of occupation, that those chains are going to ever become free.
[SPEAKER_09]: Israel set as much just the other day, and it's now said that they're never going to pull out of the Gaza Strip.
[SPEAKER_09]: And time and again, Netanyahu said that there will never be a Palestinian state.
[SPEAKER_09]: So on what basis is it that we're constantly
[SPEAKER_09]: somehow choose different leaders.
[SPEAKER_09]: When at the end of the day, all that you're doing is constantly subjectating Palestinians.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's time now for Palestinians to be given their freedom.
[SPEAKER_09]: We have a right to be free.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's not a right that Israel gets to choose our leaders with the United States.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's our right.
[SPEAKER_09]: And that is why we should be pushing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Not for the country who's committed genocide or the country that's funded the genocide.
[SPEAKER_09]: to be putting together plans.
[SPEAKER_09]: It should be that the world should be stopping the genocide and we allow it to be free.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of, Buddha, good to have you on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Occasionally, though, let's someone actually come on who's actually palsting and who actually says the truth, that's a rare sighting.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're in a view with the end of but to just go to our page, we spoke to her last week.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean, I hope if Farid's a career loses his job, we'll know why.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the quota of like one Palestinian for every 5,000 really books.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah enough to keep him in his seat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's let's switch topics.
[SPEAKER_04]: should we go to a few hexes and his exciting changes for the military, including telling the military and a really awkward speech city gave a quantum code like the old Geneva Commission saying let's not worry about that anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: And a retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges he was on fascination to discuss.
[SPEAKER_12]: Secretary, it made these remarks at Quantico last week, as you well know, ordered in our most senior military officers to hear him lay out what he talked about in terms of changing rules of engagement.
[SPEAKER_12]: Those are, you know, codes of conduct and standards to make war less brutal.
[SPEAKER_12]: The Secretary said this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement.
[SPEAKER_02]: We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our country.
[SPEAKER_02]: No more politically correct in overbearing rules of engagement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just common sense, maximally-thality, and authority for warfighters.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so funny, but I think politically correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like politically correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, when did that emerge as a term?
[SPEAKER_04]: Was it like in the 90s?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, the 90s.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, actually, come from a communist term from like a boy earlier.
[SPEAKER_13]: But yeah, it entered our, our nomenclature and in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's from the 90s.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he's talking with the Geneva conventions, which is what like, the 1940s.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so now that you have experiences are politically correct from the, like a relic of like the post, a second world war period.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now that's politically correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, it was fighting the Nazis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that politically correct, too, now?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, is abolishing slavery is that politically correct.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Some slaves were happy as Ron DeSantis pointed out.
[SPEAKER_12]: What do you make of of those directives to officers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not going to help anybody accomplish their mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you think about the mission that we had in Afghanistan, for example, and I think that's where some of his experience comes from, it was to protect Afghan civilians so that they could re-establish government and secure themselves.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, I mean, just I don't expect Afghan civilians, at least some of them might object to that characterization, that the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: military was
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, they also committed major war crimes against people of Afghanistan left towns in like smoking ruins dropped a 2,000 pound bomb on civilian water infrastructure, which the bomb did not detonate, but they wanted it to.
[SPEAKER_13]: And in fact, what's interesting is that if you, I mean, I'm a little torn on this, because I like that a military person is condemning, exits open embrace of war crimes, but it built into his condemnation is, of course, a total whitewashing of the U.S.
[SPEAKER_13]: military, making it seem like this is totally a total departure.
[SPEAKER_13]: When we know that it's not a total departure, I agree that there is a difference between
[SPEAKER_13]: Committing war crimes and encouraging people to commit war crimes as in like, well, again, maybe he's just being honest about it, but highly recommend, by the way, Seth Harp and his book for Brad for Brad cartel because he he exposes a lot of these, a lot of examples of the lack of a world of engagement for America fighters, especially in Afghanistan.
[SPEAKER_01]: not about how many Taliban could you kill?
[SPEAKER_01]: We had already tried that and that didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the rules of engagement are not politically correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not intended to make it harder for soldiers or units to do their job.
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually are part of the mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we there?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't have any experience where killing a lot of innocent people or violating the
[SPEAKER_01]: The Geneva Convention is going to help accomplish the mission.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can kind of a weird critique.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have any experience.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're killing a lot of innocent people.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to help accomplish the mission.
[SPEAKER_04]: If killing a lot of innocent people helped accomplish the mission, then it's not a good mission.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're killing innocent people, then by definition, that's not a good mission.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not the right to kill innocent people to help you accomplish your so-called mission.
[SPEAKER_04]: that's been the goal of the U.S.
[SPEAKER_04]: military and a lot of these wars is to kill a lot of us and people.
[SPEAKER_04]: So in Vietnam, for example, they did help accomplish the mission, which is going to throw a Vietnam.
[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, some skewed logic, but yeah, at least like what I'm hearing here is he's uncomfortable with Pete Heggs at saying openly that we're going to ignore the the Geneva Convention's, the modest operandi just took northern and practice rather than formalize it.
[SPEAKER_04]: the Rubin Glego and this really with that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's turn to the little government shutdown.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's a plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now for four days, four or five days.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the main sticking point is Republicans don't want to extend these health care subsidies under the Affordable Health Care Act that expire at the end of the year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now according to the congressional budget office,
[SPEAKER_04]: Once those subsidies expire, 4 million people, more than 4 million people, will lose their health insurance, and Republicans want them to expire as part of their overall assault on health care benefits for low income people and others who need help with their health care coverage, because why not if you're a public and class warrior just like, got the federal, the, the, the meager federal government support for people even more.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what is their excuse now they're saying the reason that like what they're saying is they're only going after government subsidizing health care for undocumented immigrants.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's their argument.
[SPEAKER_04]: And here's Mike Johnson making it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Then you can talk, okay, right now undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal health care programs.
[SPEAKER_11]: Democrats, as you heard, say they're not trying to change that.
[SPEAKER_11]: But one of their demands would restore Medicaid funding for hospitals to give emergency care, including two undocumented immigrants.
[SPEAKER_11]: Are you suggesting, Mr. Speaker, that you are doctors, check people's immigration status before they render emergency care?
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, again, it's another red herring.
[SPEAKER_05]: What the Democrats are demanding is that illegal aliens that care for them in an emergency room should be reimbursed at a higher rate to the hospitals.
[SPEAKER_05]: To the hospitals, then American citizens, young pregnant women, they want to pay.
[SPEAKER_13]: I love when they pay.
[SPEAKER_13]: to care about people like all of a sudden when they're pitting like illegal and I'm putting that quotes in case anyone's listening and not watching.
[SPEAKER_13]: All of a sudden they care about young pregnant women, they care about like the poor.
[SPEAKER_13]: They're they're happy to cut off benefits for US born people also.
[SPEAKER_13]: Don't don't pretend that you're not Johnson, but it's so it's so gross.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what he's doing here, he's outright lying.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a brand new excuse.
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't thought this issue too closely.
[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe I'm missing something, but this is a brand new excuse I'm seeing from him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's claiming, so the initial claim was that, okay, Democrats want to basically give healthcare to undocumented immigrants, okay?
[SPEAKER_04]: And which is not covered on the Affordable Care Act, it's not covered under Medicaid.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what it is covered under is like, if an undocumented immigrant goes into a hospital,
[SPEAKER_04]: The hospital has to at least stabilize their wound at minimum.
[SPEAKER_04]: They can't turn them away.
[SPEAKER_04]: So basically, you can't let someone bleed to death just because they're an undocumented immigrant.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the law, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there are some provisions that basically rather than because someone has to pay for that health care, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there was a law that the government's going to subsidize or pay for the hospitals, cover the cost of treating undocumented immigrants in emergency rooms because they don't want the hospitals to go bankrupt and Republicans want to take that away.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so they were saying that we're taking this away because we don't want to give health care to undocumented immigrants.
[SPEAKER_04]: by which they said, but we don't want to save undocumented immigrants from death if they have an emergency.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's claiming a brand new thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's saying that actually the Democrat, it's not just about giving undocumented immigrants healthcare in emergency in emergency situations only.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's saying the Democrats for some reason want to add more money to pay for that emergency care for undocumented immigrants, which is like, what does he get that from?
[SPEAKER_04]: Democrats are saying, yeah, like
[SPEAKER_04]: On top of the money, we give hospitals to pay for emergency health care.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just an immigrant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's give them more money.
[SPEAKER_04]: It makes absolutely no sense, but that's where it's going.
[SPEAKER_13]: I know.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I almost want to give them points for creativity.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's really thinking outside the box.
[SPEAKER_13]: Where are we going to go this time with our lives?
[SPEAKER_13]: Just disgusting.
[SPEAKER_05]: legal aliens in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_05]: citizens and we are against that.
[SPEAKER_05]: The reason it's illegal right now for illegal aliens to receive taxpayer-funded benefits is because Republicans wrote it into the law July 4.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at, don't take my work for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at page 57, section 2151 of Chuck Schumer's counter-proposal.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's on my website at speaker.gov, everybody go, look, don't take my work for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Read their section.
[SPEAKER_05]: They want to reverse those changes.
[SPEAKER_11]: But first of all, law was...
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the Democrats have this crazy idea, which is that if someone is in need of emergency health care, possibly to save their life, they shouldn't be turned away if they're undocumented, which has been federal law for a long time.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was back to Reagan, actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: which is like not correct.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but also like how many times can he say a legal alien in one in one clip?
[SPEAKER_13]: And I mean, well, if we could push back and say, well, you know, you could call them undocumented people.
[SPEAKER_13]: Why do you have to call an illegal aliens?
[SPEAKER_13]: But that's way too much to expect from them.
[SPEAKER_13]: But you know, well, when we're done, I'm going to say someone really scary about what actually does happen to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also like benefits like so getting emergency
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the way you talk, it's like these people are just collecting a check every month as opposed to having their live saved if they need to have their live saved.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, not to mention, and again, I don't mean some people don't like this framing because it reduces everything to economics.
[SPEAKER_13]: But undocumented people put more into our coffers than they take out.
[SPEAKER_13]: They pay into social security if they're undocumented, but they don't take out.
[SPEAKER_13]: So they don't get social security.
[SPEAKER_13]: So yeah, it's it's just disgusting and it does.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I'm far from a Reagan fan, but it does.
[SPEAKER_13]: It is kind of rich when this is something.
[SPEAKER_13]: The Republicans are attacking something that they're at the gipper, you know, they're great patriarchy actually put into effect.
[SPEAKER_13]: It just shows how much more built into politics, sadism is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like growing up, you know, the Gipper to me was like the face of evil like, you know, the Descoats, the Central America, um, the assaults on the loan, along with people that he oversaw, but yeah, but by today's standard and he's like a total moderate, you know, for example.
[SPEAKER_04]: on foreign policy, he didn't negotiate arms control with with the Soviet Union that reduced a lot of nuclear weapons and that was a great thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like imagine any Republican doing that today.
[SPEAKER_04]: Among other things, like, and again, this is an example.
[SPEAKER_04]: He believed in treating people and emergency rooms, whether they're an undocumented immigrant or not.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now Mike Johnson can't even rise to that level.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean, also another thing is that he called up begging the Israeli Prime Minister and basically told him that they're bombing of Lebanon, he actually used his word apparently, and the phone call private phone call was a Holocaust, and that they had to call it off.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, well, bring back the spirit of the gift.
[SPEAKER_13]: I know, seriously, who would have done good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, bring back the gift to the gop, to the, to the, to the GF.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I like that, yeah, bring the GFP to the GFP.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_11]: put in place during the Reagan administration, which guarantees that anyone who walks into a hospital gets- I'm taller, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's still possible.
[SPEAKER_11]: So were you saying, because basically, the implications of what you're implying is that ER doctors should be checking people's immigration.
[SPEAKER_11]: If someone walks into a hospital and they're bleeding out, should an ER doctor not render care to that person?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, it's so ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to admit it, but that's exactly what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, don't worry about that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, oh, because he was hitting his feet.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_13]: He was like, you could just see he was like in light, positioned, line mode.
[SPEAKER_13]: But anyway, keep going.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: There, right there.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm out.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm out.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what that provision is basically saying, let's not make hospitals go bankrupt for following the law.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what actually is going on here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what he wants to revoke, because he doesn't want to treat undocumented people who need emergency health care.
[SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's like, you know, I'm just assuming that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I, you know, but no, it's not.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, there's no example.
[SPEAKER_13]: There's no actually evidence of anything else.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: See, on speaker.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sorry, I can go on you.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can see step by step, there's five different sections of our repeals of the law.
[SPEAKER_05]: We did in July 4th, the Democrats are demanding to reverse right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: It will spend $200 billion of hardworking taxpayer funds to pay for healthcare for illegal.
[SPEAKER_11]: We're not doing that.
[SPEAKER_11]: What you reference refers to lawfully present people who are here immigrants, DACA recipients.
[SPEAKER_11]: Let me move on because we have we are running out of time.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's so weird.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's so weird.
[SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, there's something that's happening in an increased level under Trump, it's really disgusting.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's basically medical deportations.
[SPEAKER_13]: So some hospitals are threatening patients who are undocumented with more and more medical deportations, which of course causes them.
[SPEAKER_13]: not to look, not to seek out medical care, which leads to death and disease and other forms of tragedy.
[SPEAKER_13]: Not to mention, by the way, you know, a lot of things are communicable, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: You don't want other people to be unhealthy because that can affect the rest of the population.
[SPEAKER_13]: Again, I actually care about people not dying for the crime of not being born in the US, but even out of like a self-interest.
[SPEAKER_13]: perspective.
[SPEAKER_13]: And then if they do get help, some have been tricked into signing transfer agreements, which sends them back to their country of origin.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, one of the latest things the Trump administration is doing is they're going to they want to make it harder for elderly Americans to qualify for social security disability payments.
[SPEAKER_04]: If, like, as of right now, you know, you have an easier time getting social security benefits if you can show some disabilities if you're over the age of 50.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the Trump administration wants to make that harder.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they want to make it harder for elderly people with disabilities to get social security benefits.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how Trump is making America great again.
[SPEAKER_04]: On top of their plan to, you know, kick millions of people off of their health care and
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not even covering today, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: You and I've just been absolutely, you know, it's just so chilling.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know if anyone saw this, but Aaron, there was an incredible video of that takes place in Chicago where these ice agents wearing masks are trying to kidnap a man.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's so disturbing.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think he's in the 60s and he's saying, I you that may, I you that may.
[SPEAKER_13]: help me help me and a bunch of people it's really amazing are honking their horns and surround these ice officers and after minutes and it's really painful to watch because it is so disturbing to watch these two brooks brutalize this guy they they walk away ultimately I mean they try to drag him away but it's really incredible it's like
[SPEAKER_13]: When you watch it, it's both inspiring because it's really beautiful to see people stopping eyes, but it's also so disgusting, just to watch this man like begging for help.
[SPEAKER_13]: It is so awful.
[SPEAKER_13]: You're such f***ing, you know what, it's like, man not been show your faces.
[SPEAKER_13]: Just disgusting.
[SPEAKER_13]: So yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to, that's what I'm saying would be a good thing to do.
[SPEAKER_13]: And mate, but it what, I mean, I think we do have to have some kind of like, you know, obviously grass roots opposition.
[SPEAKER_13]: to, like, in the streets opposition to what's happening, because I also, last thing about this is that, you know, people are so rightfully.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, we focus on Palestine so much and we do have to be doing everything that we can on Palestine.
[SPEAKER_13]: But, of course, immigration, crackdowns, and ice crackdowns is a Palestine issue, as we've seen with the Mahmoud Khalil and Masamandawi.
[SPEAKER_13]: And
[SPEAKER_13]: this is an area where we really can be in the streets and affecting things and hopefully stopping the kidnapping of people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well we're coming to the end of this day on the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: We wanted to play a clip that was not on the Sunday morning news shows, but was just so offensive that we had to call it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is CNN's Van Jones was on Bill Mar, alongside Thomas Friedman.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you haven't seen this clip, I apologize in advance.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so offensive, but it's a great illustration of how debased our intellectual pundit classes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so here is Van Jones talking about, well, talking about Gaza and outrage over Israeli atrocities.
[SPEAKER_15]: isn't part of that because we had to fold everything into critical race theory.
[SPEAKER_15]: And somehow the Middle East became part of, you know, I see, I see a difference.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this is an overlooked, like what Van Jones is about to say is so offensive that it's sort of overshadowed how dumb Bill Mars coming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's like so, he's on this like anti-woke train.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he really wants to make the case that like people care about shredded
[SPEAKER_04]: Palestinian civilians by the tens of thousands because of critical race theory.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's Bill Marsman.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Van Jones sees that morotic point and raises Bill Mars.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The whole lot more.
[SPEAKER_07]: Billy, I love this conversation because I think people...
[SPEAKER_07]: Those of us who went to college, give a lot more credit to college courses for how the world works than I do.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is not about critical race theory on college campus.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is about Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: Iran and Qatar have come up with a disinformation campaign that they are running through Chittalk and Instagram.
[SPEAKER_07]: That is massive.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you are a young person, you open up your phone and all you see is dead gossip baby, dead gossip baby, dead gossip baby.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did he?
[SPEAKER_07]: Dead gossip baby.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's Thomas Friedman giggling along, Bill Marr, we saw a laugh that there's well, the audience is clapping.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone's making a punchline out of dead Palestinian babies out of Van Jones' joke about dead Palestinian babies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's finish out this clip.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, that's not DEI.
[SPEAKER_07]: That is a geopolitical adversary that is deliberately trying to divide the West against a set.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's he was not
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it is so disgusting and honestly, what scary about that clip is that I think that Thomas Friedman and Bill Mar are better than Van Jones in that clip.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like, that's how bad his politics are.
[SPEAKER_13]: And reminder by the way that Van Jones is someone who describes showing up wearing a caffeine in Jewish neighborhood in LA to showing up in Harlem with a confederate flag.
[SPEAKER_04]: After previously, you know, supporting Palestine, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a long time ago, before it completely sold out, he spoke about Palestinians, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And he talked about these really military occupation being horrible.
[SPEAKER_04]: No one could tolerate it for one day, let alone, you know, decades.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now he's completely flipped and is making jokes out of
[SPEAKER_04]: images of dead Palestinian babies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's so offensive that it, um, it not only overshadows Bill Mars, stupid point about critical race theory, but the fact he's blaming all this on a disinformation campaign from Iran and Qatar, which is just like, oh yeah, that's the other thing, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's like, that's like a rush-a-gate menu on steroids, like, you know, what disinformation campaigns he's talking about?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like,
[SPEAKER_04]: Are those images of dead Palestinian children real or not?
[SPEAKER_04]: And how does Iran or Qatar factor into this?
[SPEAKER_04]: But the fact you can, you know, look, if he made a joke about even the killing of one Jewish child, he'd be fired for by CNN.
[SPEAKER_13]: 100% now.
[SPEAKER_04]: He can joke about.
[SPEAKER_04]: tens of thousands of Palestinian children kill them.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't know the exact toll, you know, the official toll is around 20,000 of dead Palestinian children, but it's in real life, it's far more.
[SPEAKER_04]: He can talk about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it took him two days to issue a very half-hearted apology, which we can show now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I made a comment on real time with Bill Mar about the Warren Gaza was insensitive and hurtful.
[SPEAKER_04]: I apologize.
[SPEAKER_04]: This suffering of the people and Gaza, especially the children, is not a punchline.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm deeply sorry, came across that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, again, nowhere in the statement is even mentioned, who's killing all these Palestinian children.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's Israel because he's cheerling for Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then in another statement, in another tweet he said, I was trying to raise awareness about a foreign disinformation campaign, creating chaos.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's still standing by his, like just fabricated claim that people are upset about Gaza because of Iran, Qatar, and disinformation campaign.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's got that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like, I'm still going to propaganda is for Israel and use Israel talking points, but I won't be as crude about it and make fun of dead gossip babies.
[SPEAKER_13]: They still are, you know, if you oppose them, they're killing, or if you talk about the genocide, it's because you're dute by cutter and Iran, but I just want to make fun of them being dead.
[SPEAKER_13]: But, you know, I want to show one more thing, which is that Senator Chris Van
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm glad Van Jones apologized for her sick joking about dead kids and Gaza, but the problem goes deeper.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's spreading that, and yeah, who propaganda that the mass killings of civilians and Gaza, including 20,000 more kids, is Iranian fake news.
[SPEAKER_13]: It is not the students and young people who are fooled.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's Van Jones.
[SPEAKER_13]: Except one problem with that is that I don't think he's fooled.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think he's he knows what he's doing and he's lying and who knows where he's getting money from.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not in the school back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not just Netanyahu, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just Netanyahu.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: In the burning standard thing, which is pretending that the problem is Netanyahu, when it's Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, entire political spectrum.
[SPEAKER_04]: The entire political spectrum supports Netanyahu.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not Netanyahu, it's Israel.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: But it is good to actually, I mean, it's very brave on this way.
[SPEAKER_13]: It shouldn't be, but it's kind of brave to say, like, it's not Iranian fake news, because that's something that's so tempting for people to attribute things to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, listen, Senator Chris Finholen is taking a much more principled stance than pretty much everyone else in the Senate.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's not easy to do if you're a senator, especially.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he deserves credit for the stance that he's taken.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I hope he runs for President.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that would show in the Democratic field some genuine debate and a reflection of where the base is at in the Democratic Party, which is repulsed by his role.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and he's also very good on immigration.
[SPEAKER_13]: So he's great on Palestine stuff and immigration stuff and much more principle than brave, like you just said, than most are.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, speaking of principle and brave, that's used to the latest Monday morning.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The most principled and brave Monday morning recap, well, the most principled and brave Sunday morning recap show on Monday morning.
[SPEAKER_13]: And also, can I talk about who's coming on my show tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so it's going to be a went, it's going to be amazing line up Suzanne Abohawa, the great novelist, author of several books, including Mornings and Genene, which is a great book that I really recommend and also jump your timer, so that's at 7 p.m.
[SPEAKER_13]: Tuesday at youtube.com, such as the Katie Helpers Show.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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