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[SPEAKER_01]: On today we'll be continuing and temporarily concluding our coverage of the leagues of Votan with a focus more deeply on how the Votan or Kin themselves function in the galaxy, as well as a little bit of some of the leagues and units themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Samarcan is one of the oldest still inhabited cities in Asia.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually conquered by, but it's not the great, the Greek one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alexander, well, there's two great bunch of greats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get back to the leagues of Votan, which I'll be honest, it was much easier for me before we started doing these casts to tall them Votan, but I can't call them Votan, because that's just, they're not Votan, because they're just the machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that really is like, I appreciate GW's writing, but it's also really frustrating.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to do notes in a cast on something to figure out, well, what do I call them in each time?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's give some props to them, because there's, we occasionally, and when I say we had me mostly you,
[SPEAKER_00]: throw a lot of changes you have me writing, yep, on several of the times, I really, really like the way they did the kintrid because they actually went pretty in depth in their society because they didn't have to
[SPEAKER_01]: Bretton anything really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a fresh right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is our first complete fresh right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think since how Because everything else had something, you know, even when they brought in jeans to their coat into the game We'd always had jeans to their coat because you had the yard looks funny had stuff for a long time They've always been in and around the game even custos when they brought custos and we all knew what a custod was
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me guess, Necrons would have been, but the Necrons into the game, like, late night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just these Necrons were in the game so long, and they had so much redone with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, they'd be fair, so did Tao, I mean, Tao were in for 4, 2000.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess they really did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, they did a huge, they did fresh, but then they did right down the **** out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, that's a fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tao.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they went for the good guys, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're gonna get there later as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're gonna sing me a vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a hunch there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope not No, but I really liked where they I like the fact that they give us more of the society of them Yeah, I mean we're doing a lower test.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm obviously into the lore and I liked reading about the fact of This is how things work in their society and they would pretty in depth into this and it actually makes
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty good sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is well written.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think they knew there was a lot of pressure on them for the squats and I think that GW did a good job of stepping up and saying, all right, if we're going to write the squats off completely and replace them with something, we have to do a hell of a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did to their credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last week we discussed the Votan cores, they create all the kin and the iron kin via cloning or manufacturing, and everything is purpose-designed for a life ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's not just life ahead like tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, they plan hundreds while they plan thousands of years for each person that is cloned.
[SPEAKER_00]: They already have the next few hundred years of where you should be and the reason that we made Ted.
[SPEAKER_00]: to be what Ted is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's Ted's poison resistant, unlike space Marines, and he goes out to a place where he has to mind and or combat things where that would be, and that's the reason for his entire existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, one of the things that is terrifying in a human, and then the, in a Brad looking at a thing, and also,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a side story, every moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's also bread.
[SPEAKER_01]: Breads, bread is pretty scary right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll screw you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, came over, all, we switched over by D&D to my house instead of somebody else's house and I was getting glasses out and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't know if I have enough wine glasses and shot glasses for everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my buddy goes, you have an entire shelf at the top that has nothing but wine glasses shot glasses.
[SPEAKER_00]: My go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen that shelf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, ever really, and I don't know how those things get up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just so you know, I don't go to your house often because I was always in your house.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would take things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would take them and put them in those hundred percent all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I would do constantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have multiple bookshelves in my living room.
[SPEAKER_00]: My living room goes to my dad and we're really long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a
[SPEAKER_00]: I never look on top of those because they're over my head as is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was things every day I visit your house.
[SPEAKER_01]: My whole life would be up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just going forward every day I visit your house.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take one of your things and move it to a top show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just going to be the main thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not like your key-mine as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you put something on top there, you might as well throw it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'll be like a fork or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So eventually, when you have to move your home, someone's going to go,
[SPEAKER_01]: what weird pack rat got into your house and put all this stuff up there and you'll just curse my name and move on with your day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but things, things that the vote had.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have complete and total faith in the vote and to guide what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're pretty big believers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, ta, they, ta was eventually the big believers and then they became
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I will say, and we covered this in the last episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far in the lore, and GW may retcon this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Votan haven't done them wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is an element of it does seem to be mutual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, I will call it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how this theoryals were originally with the town.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's this image, like I can see this repcon coming, but we're not there yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're listening to this in like 2030, and you're saying, what do you mean the Votan are terrible?
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this time, we don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but let's get into the actual being a life of a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think the main thing we want to talk about with the kid is they have one thing they're going to do in their whole lives, and that is toil.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are dwarves and they are going to toil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, oh, hi, oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's what this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I want to spend a little bit of time on the kin culture because it's this like overlapping circles as how this goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we start off at the lowest level, which is the kindry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like 99.99% of all kin are part of a kindry, unless they're an outcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because again, we talked about this a little bit in the last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: because a Kindred is, you know, a barbershop quartet or 20 million kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of them are considered a Kindred.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you and your buddy high five each other and go mine, and that's your thing, you have now formed a Kindred.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is the loses control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Catch all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They explain it well, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just as simple as they
[SPEAKER_01]: The people I do judge it too with.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not a kinsuit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason the difference is that kinsuit actually do seem to have bond with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are usually from the same, they're all the same clone skin.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're usually from the same crucible birthing process, almost like a regiment of guard are.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll come from one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I agree on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will split up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that all of the kin birth at one time won't necessarily be one kindred.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they will merge today that's how you get a million plus person kindreds.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start off as a familial unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what they discuss that I like about this is that the kindred actually have an almost telepathic bond to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when they work together, they work as a perfectly oiled machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The synergy there is what corporate America wishes they could do as synergy because man, they are making things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: without really thinking in the way they talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when we look at the Kendrid, one example I want to use about them, it's also applies the vote in general, is I think they're trying to do the nation states of Greece, the city states of ancient Greece, with some caveats.
[SPEAKER_01]: in that each of the, even the kindred themselves, this kindred, that could be five people could be a million people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are self-governed, and they actually will move themselves around amongst the leagues, if they want to, but they are a self-governed, totally independent body that is with the exception of one of the leagues, more than welcome the leave and join other ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where that, that's how the pathic bond comes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just saying, let's talk about this for a second because they don't make it out them that are all saints or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like you hurting the league is just unheard of.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a key to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not everybody's so altruistic they're out for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like for you to harm,
[SPEAKER_00]: the production basically of the league is not even a thing that could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I think the one big thing is we think that for those people who do like history about ancient Greece, it's something you and I both like a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: those cities they went to war with each other all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't happen here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I see the city states what I mean is it think of it more like when the Persians invaded Greece.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the Persians invaded Greece, multiple cities in Greece got together to go fight the Persians.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's more how these kindred work.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all work together to for the overarching goal of improving the kin and the iron kin as a whole and they will fight together and join together.
[SPEAKER_01]: But without the
[SPEAKER_01]: There are some stories we get to them later, where they do snipe that each other a little bit, but so far in the GW writing, and I believe this is going to change.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the GW writing, as it stands right now, the KIN on KIN violence is a very rare.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe this will change.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe at some point in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will get another League of Vote in that does not like other weeks of about 10 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is they've always done this, the tower going to get this probably pretty soon too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where they were going with farceite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the one?
[SPEAKER_00]: They already did with farceite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you'll see at some point they're going to expand out the farceite to being much more almost anti-tow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or he's trying to save his people from evil with their evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for you, Votan players and lovers, I think that this, as we get more and more codices and more out, I think that they're going to expand the line, because right now, you have small groups that go out and look for places to find resources and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those guys, I mean, for the elder lovers,
[SPEAKER_00]: They're effectively like rangers and stuff, they have small groups that just go find stuff, but they have special skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels that they, they should be a lot different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in fact, let's actually talk about the leagues as opposed to the other races in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because I think it's a really cool thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we look at all the species within the 41st millennia, everyone has a purpose and a goal of sorts.
[SPEAKER_01]: For humanity, for example, it's the conquer the galaxy and eliminate chaos, and also all the Zenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And kill all Zenos at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the Zenos one is tertiary, primary, conquer land.
[SPEAKER_01]: Secondary, the story chaos, tertiary, if you could burn all the Zenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kill all Zenos, dad had some issues, and he kind of tossed them on to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for the tyrannies, even easier, consume the galaxy and consume all the DNA in the galaxy to make yourself into a perfect organism.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really the true thing the Tyrannians are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're consuming biomass to improve themselves and perfect themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, that's the hive mind's main goal here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Necrons is similar to humanity except they're actually just what they want to enslave the galaxy because they do believe themselves to be the right followers of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also kill your next-door neighbor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you want to go and they think that when I say rule of galaxy, not as Necrons as John the Necron wants to rule the entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not and you've got Eldar who they want to serve up at the also want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's societies inside about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I still think that they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone should be beneath them also.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do, but I think the jukari and the elder are the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just trying to survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: The truth is, is that they know they're going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are aware and they hold our writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've moved it around a little bit, but it is 100% the Tolkien concept of the time of the elves have passed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're going away to the other way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're still, they're still, they're still trades of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's not a die of race.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, there's floating planets all over the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know how many of you are inside the dark realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, you're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So many.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the idea of the Eldar is that they're trying to, when we talk about the, in the lore, the Jew curry, I guess technically the Jew car or the one who's trying to survive, the Eldar, the craft world are trying to survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it's in with the Harley Quinn's, but also steer the rest of the galaxy to doing all the good stuff that they chose not to do over the course of 65 million years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen guys, I know we do look at you guys do what we say yeah, I know we had 65 million years to do this and chose to just go the complete opposite direction but hear me out how about you guys all die trying to pull this thing off obviously that have chaos chaos just wants to spread chaos because they are chaotic orcs they're also primal so
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll speak in a primal, you have works, works are there for war.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a very simple combo.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want a good fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not a good fighter, we're going to kill you off until we find a good fighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that the old ones made the orcs and when we have a specific thing we want them to do and as soon as we're done with that specific We're wiping them down look.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're either going to wipe them out or we're going to put the rest of the program in let's call us babies And then they left the orcs are thunder warriors
[SPEAKER_01]: That unfortunately the experiment keep going like the thing the emperor did well is space marines can't breed So I'm assuming that the thunder warriors couldn't either because that would have been the real problem is always on the thunder warriors escape and like now you have an issue
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing with the aura, what makes you cool?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is called the Thunder Warriors, the Crogan?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, but I look at, man, now I want to go play Mass Effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just don't should always want to go home next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm replaying XCOM 2 right now because it got in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: For the 600 million.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I've got $600 in that game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just about to love that game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I turn based, turn based combat, just a good game.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway,
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing with it works is that the orgs exist really just for creating more and more combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just looking for a fight, they don't care what it's because their idea is to get the the cream rises to the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, cream doesn't rise to the top, the tau.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: The towel basically exists to annoy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean that actually two ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, in the lore, they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just the towel exists to possess as part of the galaxy and be such a pain in the ass that no one else can control of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, on the tabletop, to make people like John in 2018 really sad because of shield drones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been seven years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, I'm not over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the vote 10 are different.
[SPEAKER_01]: The vote 10 are actually unique in this whole one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't do any of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The vote 10 are not trying to conquer the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a need for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to conquer the other races because they don't really care.
[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you don't bother them, leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave me alone in my mouth.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, if you do bother, they will wipe you out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we will.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will also hold on to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to throw it out because as usual, John won't be able to figure out where to spell it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna tell on a mask.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to how he will know what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely love to use the monomans like five.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's a lot of people out there who would just like me or like, I don't know what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we all assumed he was just a function of one of the strokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's even as much as that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Malais and book of the following series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe you, but the whole purpose of the leagues of Votan is to just keep toily.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're going to do, which is very snow-whitey.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot of whistle while they work with style.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is what they're there for.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even know why.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's such, I've been credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very good homage to the orcs of Tolkien.
[SPEAKER_01]: The orcs in Tolkien do the same thing where they go into
[SPEAKER_00]: mountains and they just mind for gold and mind for gold and mind for gold for what purpose you're not trading it's more gold yeah the thing about this is it feels like this is bread into them from the vote and because they are wildly OCD but those are very happy to be doing this this isn't like I mean oh yeah no this is this is this is their purpose that's why
[SPEAKER_01]: fantasy dwarves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting about the canon general is that they have effectively conquered the core of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is, as we discussed last week, thanks to the crucibles, they're genetically augmented and able to thrive in some of the most hostile environments in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they call this out in the codex that you've got never-ending sunlight that just that will burn up planet two eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burn up the entirety.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got planets with 10-time multiples of the gravity of Terra, then you have all these stars closer together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only are creating light, but there's radiation coming off them obviously, gravitational anomalies, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And through all that, the kin have grown and the kin have thrived.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've done so largely because they've been unmolested by the other species, the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Humanity and her neglected core is basically impossible.
[SPEAKER_01]: The regular people would just die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could land the ship, the second, the plant's gravity kicks and you're all sucked in the bottom and crush, all your bones are crushed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the stuff is gone, maybe there's no reason to take it because you have no
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing there for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's similar to Eldar, the Eldar probably have technology to handle it to a point, but they're still, oh, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only species that the vote can actually have a history with traditionally has been the orcs, and this is because as we've discussed, if the orcs believe that they can handle a 10-time multiple of gravity, they can handle a 10-time multiple of gravity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Orcs are, and it's getting homage to the squads.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is stories of the Orcs and the Votan having significant battles with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of which actually lasted 500 years were the Great Orc, more Lord, more Lord, and ended with every single Orc within the Galactic Corps being killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: They hunted every single one down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they put a grudge of death which women would cover later, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, that mechanic was better than anyone sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, 1,000 percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: In more recent times, obviously, chaos have shown up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't show up that often though because they've kind of find it, every time the chaos shows up and they go like decor, it doesn't go well for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get their ass kicked.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also get nothing to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't win anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if chaos does win, they're like, well, this place sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, he, he should go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, it's a race that's not touched by the warps.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as much a value for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's same with the chaos fighting the towel.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not as much a value in it because you can't really convert them over the way you can with humanity and elder.
[SPEAKER_01]: And most recently, we've seen Tyrannids.
[SPEAKER_01]: There has been only been a couple offences of the Tyrannids in this area, because I actually think this may change, but as of right now,
[SPEAKER_01]: the way the gravity and some of the challenges work in that part of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not that appealing the theorems that are still a biomass handling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, they can adapt quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also where the fleets are going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is out of the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then this leaves a question with them possessing the galactic core.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do we now see them in the galaxy?
[SPEAKER_00]: And is it pushing out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just to gather resources and build.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They harvest and they build.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, going back to the Kendrid, each of the Kendrid is part of a larger organization known as a league.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the leagues are, in effect, military trading and business alliances.
[SPEAKER_01]: originally the leagues were just large-kindreds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Millions are more of kin who possess an ancestral core.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they could replicate make more of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But over time, the mercantile nature of the kin turned these leagues into something much more interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the Votan cores are not just
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the way to look at it, this is where I think the law may change.
[SPEAKER_01]: As of right now, the vote hand course are not selfish supercomputers, where they're trying to be benevolent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're not just trying to make those that kind of worship them or work under them successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: The vote hand course, though I don't believe they communicate with each other, want the
[SPEAKER_01]: everything built around them, their entire infrastructure is built for their success, as opposed to humanity, where in theory they are, but everyone's trying to one-up each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because everyone's looking for, not maybe self-grandizement, it's probably the proper term there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
[SPEAKER_01]: Over time, these Kindreds created by the Corps began to collaborate with Kindred, created by other Corps's alliances start forming, originally they were military, you know, we've all placed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay there, almost all military.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because we've all placed civilization, defensive facts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the first, you do non-aggression, they didn't need that, and defensive packs, and they were originally all defensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as they started pushing out more and more, they did need the defensive packs, because no one was around to fight them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But over time, this becomes Mercantile.
[SPEAKER_01]: This becomes, hey, let's trade with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm mining this resource over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a ton of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we put in straight up trading alliances?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then those begin to grow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these, we don't know when this started, by the way, but they are massive now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a key note that even amongst the leagues of vote and so a league of vote and can be trillions of kin.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the leagues themselves trade with the other leagues.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even though they're disparate, it's just that the code actually went to have options for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still all over arch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like we have with the Imperium, technically guard, space marines, sisters, they're all together.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just thanks to 7th and 8th edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not allowed to have them be all together in the board anymore, because that ruined all the fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the fact that they don't really, and I like the fact that they don't specifically talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like some people are in a league, but not in a league, because they're in essence, they're still, they're still kin at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people that,
[SPEAKER_00]: operate the spot between two leagues are just kind of like, and well, I feel like they have a jersey that has both sides on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the thing about is you do change leagues is one league and we'll cover them later.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't, but it's pretty common.
[SPEAKER_01]: The leagues are almost have like recruitment posters out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hiring free agents all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I do the recruiting, but it felt more like,
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever was more convenient for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if I spent a lot of time in this league's area, and fine, I'm here league because it's just more convenient for me to be continue to work if I only have your league around me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like there wasn't a huge amount of no one can.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, yeah, you're part of us now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there are ties that to be paid and there's kind of the moves around, but it's really, I think the homage here is a mixture again, fantasy dwarves obviously, but we're also thinking about some of like when you're settling, we'll do the Americas, because actually that was still bloody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I trying to say, I want to think of one where someone went somewhere and settled it and didn't slaughter everybody, but that's literally never happened, so it was move on a day from now on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the idea was you, you know, people would come to the US and they wanted to work and they
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to work in railroads.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to work in the mines.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to work here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was that concept, what they're kind of going with.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are coming out there saying, Hey, me and my crew of can 100, whatever it is, we're here to work this mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to mine for, because it's 40 k, Adam Antium.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yep, get in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they join the league that has an Adam Antium mine that they want to go work in.
[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to I'm a minor, why don't you go send me to somewhere to work?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's much more, you know, the choose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They choose what they want to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on that note, let's talk about the life of the leagues of vote 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the leagues of vote 10 have three purposes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Find new sources of materials, secure these assets, extract the assets and make goods.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do that on repeat forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at their most basic, the leagues are on an endless quest for resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they said, they're fantasy tours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They still are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like the fact that they kept this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't be happier than it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is because the truth is, fantasy dwarves are awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was a good decision to kind of go to fantasy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, people are the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no known as an abroad campaign.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, really, you, yeah, but you will outrobes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did see, I did see a meal the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a D&D campaign with a paladin in his, in the party, but it's only there because it's a probation officer for the rogue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that idea a lot, but with the vote 10,
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing about them is that, if you remember, they had almost impossible levels of manufacturing capabilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Votan core itself is a super powered AI that is better than anything that exists probably in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got STCs and they really need to make more STCs, which is something that they don't really talk about enough, which I think is they mention the books like that seems amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they can do things no one else can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like for example, they can break down planets, systems, even stars, into raw materials.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they create equipment with it and supplies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, vote, it's a, this is their purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's spend a little bit of time on those three pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, find new stuff, secure this stuff, many things, stuff out of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll start with the first group, which is the harm king.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or harm kind, man, guys, I'm sorry, these ones, there's throwing random vowels at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna go with that, where I feel like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: these are the prospectors of the kin and in the lore they're fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the tabletop they're just cannon fodder and boring AF as far as I'm concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen anyone used a hornkin for anything other than, oh yeah I'm gonna be a roadblock for your charging or I'm gonna go secure this random objective in your backfield.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a fan, but you step away from the Yagers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah sir, to true this has happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're playing Votan and their Yagers are
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can be in their cool new scout vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scout moving vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really this terrain goes nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring back proper fly keyword.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as long as we have this BS fly carry we have today they're useless.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's true that I'm telling this story as part of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, John sends me a picture of a game he played, and he's about to play in a turn with the verb both going to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, out of all these,
[SPEAKER_00]: guys here and they're right behind a wall and they're all vehicles and vehicles can't go through walls and I'm like, what are you doing man, how are you even moving?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just trapped yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just going to fly over the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were copters.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can fly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize that my orcs helicopters didn't have the ability to fly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're not wrong or behind a wall where you have to fly over the wall really a small wall too By the way, yeah really I had to fly this by the way that ruled was never ruled until very recently and I'm still not
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's get back on the market the heart can's job is to go out and find new lands for the leak and these lands could be inside or outside The galactic core Inside the galactic core.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're looking for lost really vote-end in a botanlit the course because world and systems where Kindred even leagues once lived but war Celestial event whatever what a say celestial events are way more coming
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so they're all wiped out, but the goal is, yes, obviously, all of the can there are dead, but the Votan core might not be, and also the materials are still going to be this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're always searching for these within the core.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the bigger one, kind of, from a lower standpoint because the botanical newer, the game, is what they do outside of the collective core.
[SPEAKER_01]: And three main focuses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're finding worlds, stars, and debris fields that are rich with minerals.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they find them, they'll signal back to the rest of the league and say, hey, in the market, come here, they're paying resources.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're paying for their service.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next thing they'll do though, which is equally important, is probably where the Demirgin, those ones came from, is trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much of the galaxy outside of the core is occupied, and so the harm can are looking to see if they can make relations established with some of these VGZ no species.
[SPEAKER_01]: on some of these worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can be multifaceted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could just be simply trading.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they say, hey, these guys over here, in this case, actually with a towel, have some pretty good technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can trade back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Easy, you know, we'll stop off every couple years, fill up our empty, empty, the hold, fill it up with their stuff and head on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're actually making a partner to, for mining rights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's there and say, hey, you've got this asteroid belt over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just there.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about we just go and collect it and we'll give you a percentage of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: The things that the leagues have, the kin in the cells, are very open-minded when you're looking at trading with Zeno's and other people for tech.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, over and much more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the third thing that they're going to focus on is actually mapping the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a big thing for them is that their goal is to mark out and say, hey, this is here, that's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's also the other option they have of if trade goes south or they say, no, they're marking how valuable an area is because the vote in the leagues might just come take it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are by the way, kind of the Vogueans from hedgehog's garden galaxy in some ways, not completely, but there's moments here where I'm like, okay, you know, I see we got this, just calling it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the horn can are viewed internally by the other kin as this cool combo of awe and sorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: But both in a good way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I say, because the regular kin want to be around other kin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is seen as
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing the Lord's work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job, but also I would never want it except they need these guys These guys are doing a them incredible service by going out into the galaxy and fighting new worlds in the conquer They are improving the kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're also coming back with information for when they're when they die to be loaded into vote and cores to improve the course but yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: These are home bodies, you know, it's, again, fantasy dwarves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to go outside the big sky above them, scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to be out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so these guys, everybody I know and care about is right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would I want to go anywhere?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, because of that, though, as we just said, because they're viewed with awe, they're also really well equipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: The harm can technically are the best equiparts of the entire leagues of Ota.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do a ban job of this in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: the terrible job of this in the game, but the harm can are supposed to have all the best weaponry defensive armor vehicles everything they should have is cutting edge and it's not yet it's hard to do
[SPEAKER_01]: This is yeah, it's kind of balance again, but in the lore they do in the lore they have the fastest ships the stealthiest ships They got them the best weaponry the stupid thing in the game the pan spectral scanner.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on everything The pan spectral scanner in the lore can actually scan the entire planet from orbit marked the entire sort of all the way down to the core Marking all the minerals everything available.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't just, you know, you know your cover
[SPEAKER_01]: None of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still hit on forwards by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, interesting thing about the harm can is that they probably are what all the other species in the galaxy thought the entirety of the leagues of O10 were.
[SPEAKER_01]: because they're the traders, they're the ones who would meet with people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone assumed that the harm can they were meeting with constitute basically the entire species, because they still would move in full tillers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would meet a few harm can, but for example, if you made a deal with them to go harvest your asteroid belt, then they would bring in the rest of the fleet, and we'll talk about some of those fleets in a little bit, but then that you would see, oh, it's this massive mining operation.
[SPEAKER_01]: but you assume that was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, neat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for them except for the elder who yeah, who always but by the way, love me some elder, but also they know all of the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just don't give them that anybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, they've been all the hard look when saw these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: They call them the holocie age engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the hard look when saw this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's in, that's, you know, they put their doy decimal catalog.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, oh, yeah, go to section 483 take a right turn, go 11 miles, and you'll find the books there on the left hand side.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives every minute of their existence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the next bit on the leagues is just where the Vogueans come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: If an area is marked by the Harnkins as valuable to leagues, and it's valuable enough, they will show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's abandoned, well, cool, you also see that they're going to show up six guys with picture up.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, they show up in mass with everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because sometimes the thing that gets marked by the hornkin is being high value is a sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could probably trade with someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we're going to take apart this asteroid belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to take that planet over there and break it down to small pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll give you 15%.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't doing anything with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take my 15%.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I'm going to say, hey, we're going to go make your son not exist anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: That feels like a no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where sometimes,
[SPEAKER_01]: they bring the heat.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before we get to the heat, I do want to talk about the mining itself, because this is another key unit in the game, especially now, because they got a hell of a blow-up, Sethonian mining guilt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's Cheetonian.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to get diet and then you're working on these episodes, by the way, in Discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just aware of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing by Siserass, but man, this one, these ones, I'm going to get just demolished.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming that what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, everyone?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I've got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just tell him to listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's the horrible tokens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy making it up as I go along.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's go with the Sithonian mining guilds.
[SPEAKER_01]: The mining guilds are a little bit goofy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they are quintessential dwarf iconography within the least full stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are specialized clone skins, or clone skins, ongoing skins that have the most dense kind of just bodies.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, their skin is denser, their bones are denser, their muscles are denser.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is because they have to be able to weather high gravity, but also extreme exposure, and
[SPEAKER_01]: vacuum of space.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Throw back their meals from dark sun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Camping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's a contingent.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Sothonian miners are specialized because they can break down anything into raw materials.
[SPEAKER_01]: On a quick side note, they are one of the few kindred that will actually leave the league and go out in their own.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when Brad was to be talking to us earlier, that some of the guys kind of float independent, they're the most independent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what they'll do is, them in like a small group of their kin will just, they'll appear like human worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And be like, hey, we're gonna go mind this mountain over here and humans like, again, give us a percentage and they just go do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're almost as like,
[SPEAKER_01]: mercenary minor that goes around the galaxy looking for stuff, which is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they again, and I forget that can't like this when people do this because it means they then these Sitonians now gain more knowledge, more experience, because now they're going to work with seeing how the Eldar Extracted Minerals, how humanity extracts Minerals, how the Tal extract minerals, and then they'll come back with that knowledge and get plugged into the computer as they die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we hinted at it, and now it's dive into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happens if the system to go to is occupied and isn't a big fan of letting the leagues of vote in just do what they want with it?
[SPEAKER_01]: War, or never changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Votan cores are highly analytical and so are the kin.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they would never target like Terra or Kedia or Eldar Cratch, even Exitite World for Harvest.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would not work for them that losses would be too catastrophic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But random human colony, an orc world, or just a world controlled by some small zino.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do this a lot like the elder, in the fact that they surgically attack an area and just destroy it so that they don't take it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you say surgically it's, in the sense of they're gonna pick it, but they don't come in with a surgical strike.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come in hot and heavy with something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It elves come in fast and hot and go.
[SPEAKER_00]: They come in with a dwarven hammer and stay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do make it so there is no resistance.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just come in and flatline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked about the last episode that there's been a lot of people who've entered the galactic core and disappeared.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone assumed it was because the galactic core is dangerous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's more they bumped into the Votan.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't talk about it a lot in the codex, but it feels like the Votan might not be super big on prisoners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not aware of what people escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, hey, we got to do a battle, and then there wasn't people there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they escape?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you take a prisoners?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: any time that we're going to get into the military capabilities of someone in 40k lower, we have to call something out that GW writing always does.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're reading a book about the thing that you like, the thing that you like is the most powerful thing in the entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time this is what you want to get a debate into which is the best space marine faction.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's impossible because if I'm reading the Ultramarine book and you're reading the Salamander book, they say the same things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I will also admit the next piece of the Votan lore feels very similar to the Elder lore.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is some not full copy paste going on here, but it's not massively different.
[SPEAKER_00]: because they basically said the regular populace is always trained.
[SPEAKER_01]: So guardians.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's what they're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's start there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So regular, regular, basic soldiers are... You can see more years or guardians.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are people with day jobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually the best example for them, again, I can only speak to the US.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, no, I think all worlds have this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have reservists in the US.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reservists are
[SPEAKER_01]: fully trained soldiers, they're just not as heavily trained as the full-time soldiers because they have day jobs, but they are trained, they perform their day job.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also attend regular military drills and training.
[SPEAKER_01]: What makes them interesting, the lore standpoint, is in the book, and the code that calls out, that the hearth can are more capable than any other average military speeches in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: which means that in lower versus table top, they are guardsmen, but also lower versus table top, this supposed to be 1.4 meters tall, and I have...
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all taller than your guardsmen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which, it's fine, things don't always translate perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the hard can, like reservists, are treated like elite soldiery from tactics perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not cannon fodder.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not Brad's child soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so hard for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: In reality, I think that the heart can are probably more closer in action description to science and sisters, not repensia, but just basic sisters, because they do wear power on them, they carry bolters and elite weapons, which is not saying much when
[SPEAKER_01]: the Votan are the most militarily advanced and best-forged workers in the galaxy saying, oh, yeah, average soldiers have great questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should have, they should have, they originally had.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that the history had minus one, AP on void armor stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just hard to balance them because they should, their regular guys should just have a lead armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I always follow this category.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't balance 40k against the lore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know, but I mean, I brought a custod army.
[SPEAKER_01]: You brought three custos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's how this goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But beyond them, you have this kind of goofy in-between section.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have the harm kin who are your standard warriors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the broke here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The broke here are not technically soldiers, they're engineers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They make all the weaponry, they maintain all the weaponry.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're, yeah, they're by their tech priests.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're also a bit beyond tech priests, because the broke here, Thunderkin, are common engineers who then deploy with the Kindred, and they bring the wildest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that you did so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bring really cool weapons though.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bring the big dog weapons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, special.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they bring the weapons that they can't trust the rest of the leagues to use because they're like, look, this thing's got like seven buttons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not letting you mess with this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a really valuable technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're talking, we will the bolt cannons aren't, but the grab-a-tongue guns and the conversion beamers are insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we're conversion beamers at release and then they had a change of that party.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were so ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, yeah, that's never seen a table talk ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything in the line and it had sustained it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, yeah, for some reason they had rewrite that rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and beyond those two, though, they do have their full-time soldier called the
[SPEAKER_01]: Boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the hard guard are the special forces, but like space marine terminator style of the leagues.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are given a special exo armor that turns them into walking tanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically the space marine terminators, but they're better on the tabletop.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the lore, they're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the lore, I would actually say space marine terminators are better than the hard guard, but on the tabletop,
[SPEAKER_01]: you see hearth guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to go ahead and call it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's because in the lore, the hearth guard or actually maybe best examples that just staring of they come head first into combat and wreck stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's sometimes yeah, sometimes you have to have a teleport crest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when would you not have a teleport crest?
[SPEAKER_01]: when you really enjoy walking slowly, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you're just bad at the game, I just know if he's not to have a teleport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the other one's useless.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just saying, oh, this one guy gets an involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole unit, no, just this one guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll take deep strike.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the hard guard in the heart can are the standard military members of the league.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are also some non-standard members that will join.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's take a moment how that this works.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: the hearth car and the hearth car are meant more for the legal itself localized areas under attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to their defensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if we're talking about something much bigger than that, like an actual war or a big enough enemy's coming for defensive, then they organized a naked oath band.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the oath band comes next.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where
[SPEAKER_01]: multiple groups all come together.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we've got the hard can, the hard guard, now the civilians.
[SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, you also, they get quite literal.
[SPEAKER_00]: You swear and oath to get this thing done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where you get the grudges and everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got something that has to be done, you get everybody together to make sure it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where, in a tabletop, the calls come into play.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the calls are the generals of the leagues of vote 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the calls are well above a space marine captain, by the way, as far as knowledge, experience, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe that experience, because space marine's are always fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I like these guys quite a bit, because they're not just for their tactical acumen.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're
[SPEAKER_00]: known for that, but also in the fact that they're going to do whatever it takes to win with the least amount of can being exactly injured killed her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they actually want very level-headed how are we going to get this done?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we didn't know that the guys are we're going to kill them to the man because we have a grudge against them.
[SPEAKER_01]: and this is a little bit of the conflict in the lore in my opinion because humanity just throws bodies at things because we've got endless bodies but so to the leaks and so this idea of the leagues are playing this all what we're doing very strategic battle and blah blah blah there's an element when like but then why there's trillions of them and it's fine it's just one of those areas and like it's just anyway
[SPEAKER_01]: But now, there is one level above this, a bit above the Othban, which is talk about real quickly the Botanic Council.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if a conflict gets so big that we actually are now going to bring in the entirety of the league and do it, then you bring in the Botanic Council.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is made up of the Forge Master, the Lord Grim near the Chief Strategist.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a clever name, they think.
[SPEAKER_01]: don't cheat up, you're throwing out of ideas, the evaluation monitor, that person sounds fun at a party, and then of course, so you brought in HR, but labor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and then of course, the high call.
[SPEAKER_01]: When enacted a Botanic Council will actually organize a massive old band that could be the entirely could even involve multiple leagues, but negotiation with other leagues, and this mobilizes everyone to deal with something.
[SPEAKER_01]: This tends to happen when grudges get big.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's talk about the real fun part here and talk about the Votan at War grudges.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, the mechanic was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the mechanic is gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was at a pain in the asking track of, yeah, but the new one's lame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just gonna say it, the new one's lame.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just also, so dwarven, it's so great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You killed one of my units.
[SPEAKER_01]: now you die for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was the Ningo Montoya 40k.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The leagues at their core are the grumpy downstairs neighbors in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to do their thing and be left alone by everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll trade with you, but they don't want to make a chit chat during they hate you and they're only here because they have to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, that's the, that is the leagues of Oten in the nutshell.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they're in jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get off my law.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your music's too loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they are also exceptionally tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they need to bring their forces to bear, they will bring them to the bear, and they will do it in this very strategic battle, enough that claim what they want, but also to dissuade and attack her from trying to claim it back from them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the issue that Leeds have is what to do with a foe that goes beyond kind of this bit, where they either don't learn their lesson, or they're doing stuff like Drucari style, where it's O.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to all never exist ever again.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, effectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the thing, I don't know if the, the kid know that the dark city exists because I feel like they would have invaded it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and that's 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, they would totally show up in Comer if they could be like, yeah, all of you die now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main thing for them candidly is if someone does something like, whether you're carried you, they don't like same with chaos, they don't like what they do, but the bigger one is if you destroy a vote 10 core, you are dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then they declare a grudge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when a grudge is declared, the kin that declare it will form a grudge band.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this grudge band, not garage band, grudge band, could be anything from like two people who are mad at the trader, they're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me a sack of rocks, not a sack of gold, so I'm going to declare a grudge on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go kill him and his whole family.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be a five-man group.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it can be in the case of orcs.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go eliminate everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what they become is a vigilante mob for lack of a better, you're going to try to rock the Swedish word for that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, regulators, bald nobbers, or so-jell S. Kunta.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up now, Brad?
[SPEAKER_01]: I got that totally wrong, by the way, Swedes, I apologize.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that was so, it's something that has a lot of Swedish friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was impressively bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Jalaskunta.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to make words this long.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like the Germans like we don't need to only I don't need this many letters together Just put two words it's easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have I don't have to take it's big of a breath for speaking Anyway, it's just the boom shock a lock again got it what when the grudge band is formed they decide these kids They're loud music and bet he clothes need a solid weapon and This is not a warning sign weapon if I'm being honest the these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they it's in their warning is death
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we wanted to do it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: We figured the best way to make him not do it anymore is they just don't exist anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I like about the grudge bands, though, is that it's formed of volunteers, but all the can or telepathically linked to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just to be that movie scene where we volunteer in everyone races their hand at once, like, all right, let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, once a grudge is declared, the grudge will not conclude until the enemy or the wherever the target of the grudge is completely annihilated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just like, there's three guys left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're still mobilizing this army to find them and kill them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did this because we talked about works before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a 500-year war and it all happened because the org war boss more buck attacked a league hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: And while attacking the hold, they broke into the core and destroyed the Votan core.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a slight that could not be forgiven, and for 500 years, all, not maybe all, but a large percentage of the vote and joined this grudge until every single orc within the galactic core was killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oopsies by the part of the orcs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, a lot of masks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, my opinion, the grudge system I think is going to be an issue coming forward because the history of the leagues, they have been within the galactic core, which means they dealt with orcs a couple small incursions here and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: One challenge they're going to have is they're going to declare right now some of the grudge they're having is like maybe a guard regiment, the couple imperial plants would have you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for example, if they declare a grudge against the space wolves,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they might have to follow them across the galaxy and their and the level of reinforcements coming to support the space was they could find themselves in a never ending war of mutual destruction.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of how I see the grudges becoming an issue for them because now they're out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So with the grudges, I actually, this is a good place to break, because next episode, I want to spend a little bit of time talking about the next episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next episode, I want to dive into the actual leagues themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we discussed before on the L-DAR, for example, the different crap roles of the L-DAR really are quite different.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the writers for Votan leaned more into Eldar Drew Carrey than they did like sisters, for example.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we've got with the Umeer Conglomerate, the Greater Thurian League, the URSR, you've got some pretty cool stuff there, and this lets Brad kind of wax it more poetically around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll just call it a lot of theories about it too, so I really want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think let's just cut it here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then next week, so surprise everybody, we actually were supposed to be one episode, we're gonna split one into two and add more stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, so you have four episodes out of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: One on squats and three on the vote 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there, next week, we will dive into them, also some of the characters of the vote 10, and probably a little bit of Brad and I theorizing of where the vote 10 are gonna go in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with that, John Barzati, Brad Jester, this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you on next week.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.