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want to skip this one. 06:59.959 --> 07:03.023 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I should probably skip this one. 07:04.724 --> 07:20.642 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a missing person case, it's also got supposed paranormal elements to it, but the system failed this poor girl in every possible way you can fathom. 07:21.744 --> 07:34.258 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like pertinent to the 07:34.441 --> 07:34.821 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:36.023 --> 07:36.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:36.724 --> 07:38.626 [SPEAKER_01]: And you guys are, this is drops Monday. 07:38.646 --> 07:39.787 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to hear a lot more about it. 07:39.847 --> 07:49.678 [SPEAKER_01]: You've probably seen commercials coming out because there's going to be a documentary on discovery coming up next week, the 29th on the same case. 07:49.698 --> 07:51.681 [SPEAKER_01]: So I figured we dive into it. 07:51.721 --> 07:57.327 [SPEAKER_01]: The disappearance of Teresa in beer also 07:58.420 --> 08:02.305 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll do a little synopsis here before we get into the crux of the show. 08:02.405 --> 08:08.111 [SPEAKER_01]: On June 1st, 1987, 16-year-old Teresa Anne Beer was about to go on an adventure. 08:08.752 --> 08:11.675 [SPEAKER_01]: She was going to skip school and go on a big foot hunt. 08:12.396 --> 08:18.583 [SPEAKER_01]: She, and a man by the name of Russell Skip Welch, who was 43 at the time. 08:19.304 --> 08:20.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that sounds safe. 08:21.026 --> 08:22.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sus. 08:23.665 --> 08:32.005 [SPEAKER_01]: would head off to the mountains of the Sierra Nevada, where she would reportedly become separated from him, while they were looking for Sasquatch. 08:33.208 --> 08:38.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Welch was subsequently charged with abducting Theresa, but the charge was later dismissed. 08:39.916 --> 08:49.372 [SPEAKER_01]: They went camping near Shot IP, about 25 miles north east of Bass Lake in California, and he was questioned by deputies when he returned without her. 08:49.592 --> 08:54.821 [SPEAKER_01]: She was last seen it around 720 p.m. Welch explained the big foot had a ducted her. 08:55.623 --> 08:57.005 [SPEAKER_01]: The foul play was suspected. 08:57.586 --> 09:00.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Searches throughout the region produce no sign of beer. 09:00.852 --> 09:02.434 [SPEAKER_01]: She has never been seen again. 09:02.454 --> 09:04.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Nor has any evidence turned up. 09:04.891 --> 09:14.945 [SPEAKER_01]: was this a simple case of kidnapping and murder by a man high on meth or was it a skip claimed a big foot ofduction in the Sierra Nevada. 09:15.285 --> 09:16.768 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was really he's a method. 09:17.629 --> 09:18.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 09:18.870 --> 09:19.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh fuck. 09:19.912 --> 09:25.860 [SPEAKER_01]: She came from but she didn't stand a chance, which is devastating. 09:26.141 --> 09:32.890 [SPEAKER_02]: So they not that I 09:35.148 --> 09:38.151 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm already conflicted early in the story. 09:38.171 --> 10:03.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because my, my sus radar is going off and being like, dude, your psychopath, and you did something with this girl, which is where 99% of everyone stands, except that he is woven such a tale 10:04.409 --> 10:08.774 [SPEAKER_01]: that and the lack of evidence means he got to Rome free until he died. 10:09.955 --> 10:10.235 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 10:10.956 --> 10:12.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:12.598 --> 10:12.918 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 10:12.938 --> 10:21.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I need to hear this, this, hear this out before I make my judgment, but I am leaning heavy to cruise a fiction. 10:21.188 --> 10:34.062 [SPEAKER_01]: So before I get into this, the gene pool that 10:35.678 --> 10:37.481 [SPEAKER_01]: gets really convoluted. 10:37.501 --> 10:41.267 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really probably tough to follow here. 10:42.148 --> 10:43.350 [SPEAKER_01]: So bear with me. 10:45.093 --> 10:49.079 [SPEAKER_01]: So she was born on April 16, 1971 to Shirley and David Beer. 10:50.120 --> 10:55.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Theresa grew up with her mother, Shirley and her father, David, the couple also had two other daughters. 10:55.389 --> 10:59.996 [SPEAKER_01]: Yolanda who lived with David's grandmother and Vicki who lived at home with Theresa. 11:00.657 --> 11:04.082 [SPEAKER_01]: According to a book written by 11:04.197 --> 11:14.453 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2020, called meth murder and bigfoot, a California crime saga, surely was horribly abusive to her young daughters. 11:15.615 --> 11:21.023 [SPEAKER_01]: When Teresa was about three years old, she was severely injured and ended up in the hospital. 11:21.984 --> 11:30.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Shirley had pulled Teresa's legs between the crib beds and twisted them so bad that they were broken. 11:30.995 --> 11:38.269 [SPEAKER_01]: She'd also be Theresa breaking several ribs at this point social services stepped in and took Theresa and her sisters away. 11:39.592 --> 11:45.202 [SPEAKER_01]: This about the same time, Theresa's parents split up. 11:45.222 --> 11:52.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Theresa and her sister was placed in foster care with women from the local church named Sylvia Pierce. 11:53.472 --> 11:59.762 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a whole lot of information that I could find about this like specific era of her life. 12:00.904 --> 12:07.716 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I could find it seemed like the foster system was doing her well when they placed her with Sylvia. 12:07.776 --> 12:08.557 [SPEAKER_01]: She was doing better. 12:08.577 --> 12:10.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Things were going good. 12:10.440 --> 12:14.768 [SPEAKER_01]: The foster family was loving and took care of them. 12:15.689 --> 12:17.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, a few years later, 12:19.240 --> 12:23.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Teresa's father, David, decided that he wanted custody of the girls again. 12:24.766 --> 12:28.651 [SPEAKER_01]: He had divorced Shirley and he was remarried to a new woman named Marjorie. 12:30.092 --> 12:33.256 [SPEAKER_01]: And he went on to get custody of the girls. 12:36.279 --> 12:37.681 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get crazy here. 12:38.361 --> 12:45.990 [SPEAKER_01]: So Marjorie had previously been married to Shirley's 12:47.236 --> 12:50.902 [SPEAKER_01]: So Dave and Shirley were married, got divorced. 12:50.922 --> 12:57.893 [SPEAKER_01]: David, Mary's, Margie, who is divorced from Shirley's half-brother. 12:59.155 --> 12:59.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 13:00.777 --> 13:03.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 13:04.182 --> 13:08.469 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a gene puddle that's a wicked web that's fun. 13:09.911 --> 13:11.834 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like it, I don't know. 13:12.495 --> 13:13.497 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to take it in. 13:13.780 --> 13:14.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. 13:14.721 --> 13:17.986 [SPEAKER_01]: So the father was granted David was granted custody. 13:18.247 --> 13:26.759 [SPEAKER_01]: They moved to Southern California where unfortunately for the two girls, Margie wasn't much better than her than their birth parents. 13:27.400 --> 13:30.184 [SPEAKER_01]: She also started to be abusive to the daughters. 13:31.366 --> 13:37.455 [SPEAKER_01]: By starving them, she would lock up the refrigerator, sit there and eat meals in front of them why they were starving. 13:39.458 --> 13:42.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty big piece of shit. 13:43.953 --> 13:45.815 [SPEAKER_01]: by being a pretty big piece of shit. 13:46.056 --> 13:54.246 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I just, and then like, the fact that those people still get to walk around, blows my fucking mind. 13:54.587 --> 13:55.047 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy. 13:56.349 --> 14:10.327 [SPEAKER_02]: Instantaneously, upon, of course, a rifle trial, but instantaneously, that guilty verdict comes down, you should be bare minimum locked up for the rest of your life. 14:11.148 --> 14:11.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 14:11.678 --> 14:18.587 [SPEAKER_02]: with zero chance of never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever a chance for a redemption, ever. 14:19.588 --> 14:19.828 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:19.848 --> 14:22.412 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just hard to kid like that in any way like that. 14:24.114 --> 14:26.657 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a wrap done over done. 14:26.757 --> 14:27.258 [SPEAKER_02]: You're gone. 14:27.518 --> 14:28.359 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so it's over with. 14:29.421 --> 14:36.910 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a testament to how much literally every aspect of her life that's supposed to be. 14:36.974 --> 14:39.718 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, protecting her and defending her failed. 14:39.839 --> 14:51.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Even the fail safe, like the CPS and the foster system failed because they, but like even if the mother was the abuser, like the father was there, he was complacent. 14:52.058 --> 14:52.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Here you go. 14:53.039 --> 14:53.881 [SPEAKER_00]: Just have them again. 14:53.941 --> 14:56.345 [SPEAKER_02]: On there's no way, man. 14:56.365 --> 14:59.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Like all the fuckers need to do better when it comes to protecting kids. 15:00.191 --> 15:00.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 15:00.912 --> 15:02.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody needs to do better. 15:03.248 --> 15:03.749 [SPEAKER_01]: sucks. 15:05.052 --> 15:20.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Theresa would eventually return to Fresno to her great grandmother's house soon after Theresa's uncle, which is Margie's ex-husband, John blind Johnny Richmond was granted custody of Theresa. 15:21.406 --> 15:25.952 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a 40-year-old man who claimed to have lost his eyesight while playing Russian Roulette. 15:26.613 --> 15:29.176 [SPEAKER_01]: Although some people believed he could still see vaguely. 15:29.196 --> 15:31.419 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a fucking solid role model there. 15:32.800 --> 15:34.583 [SPEAKER_02]: What a shit show. 15:34.663 --> 15:36.866 [SPEAKER_02]: How the fuck does the courts go? 15:37.186 --> 15:39.829 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're playing Russian Roulette and we're blind. 15:39.849 --> 15:42.012 [SPEAKER_02]: You're definitely worthy of having these kids. 15:42.613 --> 15:43.834 [SPEAKER_02]: You're responsible adult. 15:44.395 --> 15:45.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it gets way worse. 15:45.777 --> 15:46.598 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, great. 15:46.658 --> 15:46.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Yay. 15:48.035 --> 15:59.289 [SPEAKER_01]: blind Johnny's daughters from his first marriage lived with Margie and David, who just kind of lost custody of Theresa. 16:00.912 --> 16:08.281 [SPEAKER_01]: He also had two sons that lived with him with his wife, his now wife, who was a prostitute. 16:08.301 --> 16:17.653 [SPEAKER_01]: On top of that, blind Johnny also had a 17-year-old girlfriend who lived in the house with 16:17.802 --> 16:20.585 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's also another reason to be placed in prison. 16:21.586 --> 16:25.810 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, John did not treat Theresa any better. 16:26.770 --> 16:30.934 [SPEAKER_01]: He would often make her miss school to stay home to babysit his sons. 16:32.556 --> 16:40.163 [SPEAKER_01]: It was also claimed that he and a lot of his drug addict friends sexually abused Theresa. 16:41.284 --> 16:45.548 [SPEAKER_01]: This would later be confirmed by Tammy the 17-year-old girlfriend. 16:46.574 --> 16:48.796 [SPEAKER_02]: fucking scorched earth. 16:48.816 --> 16:50.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:50.057 --> 17:16.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Confirmed through a detective Doug Stokes who worked the case and spoke with the author of the book, J. O'Connell, one of John's friends who, while you can assume took place in all of this horrible shit, was a 43-year-old methamphetamine user 17:18.046 --> 17:21.129 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the one who took Teresa to the Sierra Nevada Mountains. 17:21.830 --> 17:29.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip had been married to a woman named Shannon, but according to media reports, she had passed away in 1985 and died of a drug overdose. 17:30.340 --> 17:31.261 [SPEAKER_02]: Surprise, surprise. 17:31.761 --> 17:32.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:32.843 --> 17:39.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip painted houses to earn money, but he also had an interest in camping and searching for minerals in the wilderness. 17:40.151 --> 17:44.035 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip's other hobby was filing mineral claims. 17:44.536 --> 17:45.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Little fuckin' meth crystals. 17:46.298 --> 17:46.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:47.830 --> 17:54.176 [SPEAKER_01]: not like this this girl didn't didn't really stand much of a chance. 17:54.216 --> 18:11.732 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and you know, I know that I'm speaking out of turn here, but it's fucking ironic that when it comes to child safety, all of this shit is always exposed well after the fact of a passing or disappearance. 18:12.313 --> 18:13.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 18:13.174 --> 18:14.715 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it's almost like 18:15.488 --> 18:26.950 [SPEAKER_02]: When they're alive and well, nobody pays it any like zero fucking attention, and then when it's, you know, a missing person's case or a homicide. 18:27.537 --> 18:31.242 [SPEAKER_02]: then the story gets unraveled rather quickly in most cases. 18:31.262 --> 18:32.283 [SPEAKER_01]: What could we have done different? 18:32.484 --> 18:33.084 [SPEAKER_01]: What could we have done? 18:33.365 --> 18:35.588 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, not give them to fucking methods. 18:36.529 --> 18:41.115 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a start or even bare minimum, not even a method. 18:41.455 --> 18:47.483 [SPEAKER_02]: You gave them to a fucking dude who went blind from Russian roulette. 18:47.503 --> 18:51.168 [SPEAKER_02]: If that doesn't scream responsible, a dough, I don't know what does. 18:51.869 --> 18:53.391 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right. 18:53.411 --> 18:57.156 [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking, this is the craziest story I've ever heard in my life. 18:58.688 --> 18:59.954 [SPEAKER_02]: and we've talked about some shit. 19:00.376 --> 19:00.999 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bonkers. 19:01.703 --> 19:02.507 [SPEAKER_01]: It's insanity. 19:02.748 --> 19:06.104 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bonkers that the scariest stuff has nothing to do with the paranormal. 19:06.949 --> 19:07.652 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 19:09.286 --> 19:16.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so skip and file paperwork for other claims in the north of the state of California, near the southern boundary of Yosimity National Park. 19:17.440 --> 19:20.967 [SPEAKER_01]: This remote area of the country, there are thousands of acres of untamed wilderness. 19:21.728 --> 19:26.777 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the areas where skip liked to go, according to the book, was an area called Ghost Canyon. 19:27.258 --> 19:32.627 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip believed it was once in Indian burial ground back in the early 1800s. 19:32.607 --> 19:38.091 [SPEAKER_01]: Fresno in the area around it, like a lot of areas around the United States at that time, had a serious meth problem. 19:38.573 --> 19:42.550 [SPEAKER_01]: The meth trade was exploding, both John and Skip used meth. 19:43.458 --> 19:45.321 [SPEAKER_01]: It was always around the house. 19:46.202 --> 19:53.172 [SPEAKER_01]: On the morning she disappeared, Theresa left home as if she was gonna go to school, but she had a secret plan. 19:53.813 --> 20:00.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Earlier that week she had told two of her friends that she planned a skip school and headed to the mountains with skip, so they could look for big foot. 20:01.203 --> 20:03.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Who she claimed skip had seen before. 20:04.468 --> 20:10.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip was a self-proclaimed big foot expert, apparently, and he knew just where to find them. 20:11.032 --> 20:14.658 [SPEAKER_01]: So on June 1st, Skip came over to John Richmond's house. 20:15.058 --> 20:26.817 [SPEAKER_01]: He told John that he would drive Theresa to school, but their actual plan, as she had told her friends, was the search for big foot, or at least that's what Theresa thought was the plan. 20:27.679 --> 20:29.301 [SPEAKER_01]: After that, Theresa disappeared. 20:29.802 --> 20:38.035 [SPEAKER_01]: When she didn't show up at school, administrators called the house and talked to John, which in another weird turn of events, 20:38.808 --> 20:48.224 [SPEAKER_00]: John told the administrator at the school that Theresa was home sick when he had no idea where she was. 20:50.729 --> 20:55.377 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to tell in the motivation behind that he said, and on it was skip. 20:56.639 --> 20:57.761 [SPEAKER_02]: They just not give a shit. 20:57.781 --> 21:03.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Did he have a bunch of meth at home and he wasn't trying to 21:04.289 --> 21:07.553 [SPEAKER_02]: They become the Ella paranoid. 21:08.074 --> 21:17.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I've been around people on it and like paranoia isn't even a good description of how they actually are. 21:19.608 --> 21:22.111 [SPEAKER_02]: They are out of their fucking minds with paranoia. 21:22.191 --> 21:33.925 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been, I work with the dude, love the dude when he's sober, not talking shit at all about the guy. 21:35.744 --> 21:47.659 [SPEAKER_02]: Like hours away from his hometown, hours away, he was convinced that in this particular house on this random ass street that his old lady was in there, having an affair. 21:51.004 --> 21:52.626 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'd just pull into the neighborhood. 21:52.806 --> 21:55.850 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like we'd been there for days or weeks or anything like that. 21:56.611 --> 21:58.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Just got there and he knew that was the house. 21:58.714 --> 21:59.154 [SPEAKER_02]: That was it. 21:59.515 --> 22:00.856 [SPEAKER_00]: Huh. 22:00.876 --> 22:05.262 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh my God, this is gonna end bad. 22:05.748 --> 22:06.731 [SPEAKER_02]: this is going to be bad. 22:06.771 --> 22:14.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's that's kind of where this goes to it's like they they they they're out of their minds man out of their minds. 22:15.814 --> 22:20.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he so he admitted that he had lied. 22:20.581 --> 22:22.424 [SPEAKER_01]: by saying Teresa was home sick. 22:23.105 --> 22:26.631 [SPEAKER_01]: He later told the police that he lied because he wanted to handle the matter himself. 22:27.233 --> 22:37.070 [SPEAKER_01]: He spent the day searching for her, speaking with variants, various acquaintances, none of which sought to receive, but most of them warned him about how shady skip was. 22:37.871 --> 22:40.235 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is good smart at it all. 22:40.696 --> 22:41.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:41.675 --> 22:45.600 [SPEAKER_01]: But as the while he lied, like a lot of other parts of this case, who knows? 22:46.361 --> 22:50.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there could be a problem with the whole myth thing, like not one. 22:51.587 --> 22:53.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, that means that makes the most sense. 22:54.110 --> 22:54.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:56.213 --> 23:03.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we do know a few things about what happened that morning after leaving Theresa's house, skipping Theresa stopped off at his daughter, Shondra's house. 23:04.984 --> 23:09.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he was having some trouble with his super sweet 1976 Monti Carlo. 23:10.936 --> 23:37.483 [SPEAKER_01]: And work on it as a daughter's house, one of the things that's particularly disturbing about this among obviously everything else is that according to the book that was written even his daughter Shandra later told police that she had a bad feeling about skip. 23:38.358 --> 23:57.963 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it was about to get in the car or whatever with a bad person, the game we fucking it with a mess creepster, yeah, I'm gonna be like, hey, how about you, don't, because I'm about to make a big fucking scene here in a minute. 23:58.404 --> 23:59.545 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's just not do that. 23:59.946 --> 24:04.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go get some ice cream or something, you know, yeah, you're about to get so much more angry. 24:05.453 --> 24:06.154 [SPEAKER_01]: I probably will. 24:07.265 --> 24:10.090 [SPEAKER_01]: She told, keep in mind, this is Skip's daughter. 24:10.130 --> 24:14.719 [SPEAKER_01]: Told police, that Skip had a bad habit. 24:14.739 --> 24:23.215 [SPEAKER_01]: A habit of offering young women drugs and using that to lure them into the woods for sexual encounters. 24:26.080 --> 24:32.007 [SPEAKER_01]: One such example was a 17 year old girl named Michelle that skip it taken on a previous trip. 24:32.667 --> 24:35.551 [SPEAKER_01]: She was interviewed by detectives after Teresa's disappearance. 24:36.231 --> 24:39.735 [SPEAKER_01]: She was warned by friends not to go with him, but she did anyway. 24:40.676 --> 24:45.282 [SPEAKER_01]: She was, however, smart enough to bring two big male friends with her. 24:45.942 --> 24:47.965 [SPEAKER_01]: These friends were about 10 years older than her. 24:47.985 --> 24:55.513 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what was going on in this town, like where the 30 year olds 24:56.590 --> 24:57.752 [SPEAKER_01]: weird. 24:57.772 --> 24:59.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's understatement weird. 25:01.697 --> 25:03.119 [SPEAKER_01]: 10 years older. 25:03.600 --> 25:08.406 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them was a guy she was casually seeing named Sam and another guy named quirky. 25:08.947 --> 25:09.227 [SPEAKER_02]: Cool. 25:09.748 --> 25:17.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, while they were out there, skip started taking a lot of meth and said that he saw a white monster in the woods. 25:18.595 --> 25:30.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently during this time, skips started talking about how big foot worshiped women, which at first kind of seemed like a positive thing to them, but then Michelle said that skips started talking about satanic sacrifices. 25:31.252 --> 25:54.120 [SPEAKER_01]: She said that all of them were terrified and it's not clear whether the things that Michelle and the other guys saw and heard were from paranoia or possibly drug use or whether they were freaked out by the environment and the stories or whether they actually saw or heard something but according to the book Michelle told police that later that night she woke up screaming she said she saw something that she described as a white. 25:54.488 --> 25:59.854 [SPEAKER_01]: being three-foot tall with big eyes, something she said that looked like the devil. 26:00.675 --> 26:07.303 [SPEAKER_01]: She started running in fear and almost fell off a cliff, but quirky grabbed her before she could go off the cliff. 26:09.906 --> 26:11.508 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's so many problems. 26:12.309 --> 26:24.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, like, I want to believe that 26:24.847 --> 26:29.422 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're casually seeing one of these dudes that is not under age. 26:30.827 --> 26:32.954 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like she could have been easily drugged. 26:33.395 --> 26:34.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, furthermore. 26:35.444 --> 26:48.984 [SPEAKER_02]: It's even more disturbing and alarming that everyone around Skip knew he was a piece of shit and literally no one did anything. 26:49.865 --> 26:54.992 [SPEAKER_02]: They would just be like, yo Steve, skip is a little bit of a a scraper. 26:56.935 --> 27:02.363 [SPEAKER_02]: You should probably not hang out with him and then you're like, 27:02.900 --> 27:09.369 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was only afterwards they started telling the detectives and shit, like, yeah, he took this girl to the forest and she disappeared. 27:09.389 --> 27:11.532 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew he was a little weird. 27:11.572 --> 27:16.639 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying, like, why did no one do anything? 27:17.119 --> 27:18.161 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking crazy to me. 27:18.802 --> 27:22.607 [SPEAKER_02]: That people, like, what are you afraid of making skip ad? 27:23.728 --> 27:26.893 [SPEAKER_02]: He probably weighs 103 pounds, so can wet. 27:27.814 --> 27:30.898 [SPEAKER_02]: He can't bite you because all this teeth are gone. 27:31.013 --> 27:32.715 [SPEAKER_01]: He was probably everyone's meth plug. 27:33.335 --> 27:33.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably. 27:33.876 --> 27:38.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:38.821 --> 27:41.423 [SPEAKER_01]: So old skip here seems to have an MO about him. 27:42.184 --> 27:48.750 [SPEAKER_01]: That's taken underage girls into the woods to look for big foot and then meth number. 27:48.770 --> 27:50.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Is skip still alive by chance? 27:50.292 --> 27:50.532 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 27:51.272 --> 27:51.673 [SPEAKER_02]: Damn it. 27:52.133 --> 27:53.274 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 27:53.294 --> 27:57.038 [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say I hope that the inner result of all of this, 27:57.929 --> 28:10.288 [SPEAKER_02]: and the documentary coming out and all that in this episode, I hope that Word gets back to Bigfoot and Bigfoot is pissed because they have now tainted his name and his good reputation. 28:10.368 --> 28:12.912 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it goes on the hunt for skip. 28:13.934 --> 28:19.903 [SPEAKER_02]: I would, you know what, guardians of the woods, Bigfoot, putting up the call there, man, find the methods. 28:22.465 --> 28:27.263 [SPEAKER_02]: There would be more past that, but crypto justice. 28:27.644 --> 28:33.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, you catch a lot of respect if that's what you turn into. 28:35.965 --> 28:48.518 [SPEAKER_01]: And with that, on June 1, 1987, Skip and Theresa loaded up in a super sweet busted 1976 Monocarlo and headed into Sierra Nevada Mountain Range near Shuddai Peak. 28:48.538 --> 28:53.904 [SPEAKER_01]: And 930 that night when Theresa still wasn't home, John finally called the Fresno Police to report her missing. 28:55.605 --> 29:05.736 [SPEAKER_01]: Four days later on June 5, 1987, a police officer spotted Skip's brown super sweet 29:06.796 --> 29:08.999 [SPEAKER_01]: a town in the foothills of the mountain. 29:09.820 --> 29:15.409 [SPEAKER_01]: It would later be explained that Skip had come down from the mountain to visit a friend, Dorothy Davis. 29:15.930 --> 29:27.066 [SPEAKER_01]: He was distraught and told her a story about a young girl who'd been taken by a satanic group and was physically changed into a white-looking creature, and she was being kept in the searers. 29:27.046 --> 29:31.777 [SPEAKER_01]: David said, Skip was definitely high and assumed he was delusional. 29:32.439 --> 29:37.731 [SPEAKER_01]: She also reported that his car was more beat up than usual and had multiple dents in it. 29:39.230 --> 29:45.097 [SPEAKER_01]: A few days after Teresa was reported missing, blind Johnny received a threatening phone call from a young female. 29:45.778 --> 29:54.930 [SPEAKER_01]: She told him that Skip was packing a pistol and one and her to say to him, if you continue to make trouble for him, you will have more trouble from him, even your kids can get hurt. 29:55.410 --> 30:02.740 [SPEAKER_01]: And quote, tell the police that Skip had taken Teresa to school, dropped her off, and a none-known blonde girl had picked up Teresa. 30:03.741 --> 30:03.921 [SPEAKER_01]: In quote, 30:05.504 --> 30:10.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Five days later authorities were able to find Skip at his mother's house in Sunnydale, Fresno. 30:11.017 --> 30:14.025 [SPEAKER_01]: He was arrested for a previous drunk driving violation. 30:15.789 --> 30:21.302 [SPEAKER_01]: During this questioning, Skip said he was a big foot expert, quote, 30:22.970 --> 30:27.675 [SPEAKER_01]: and spoke very seriously about Bigfoot. 30:28.335 --> 30:36.964 [SPEAKER_01]: He claimed that there was a very large number of them living in the mountains and underground caves and then he had communicated with them on several different occasions. 30:38.585 --> 30:44.732 [SPEAKER_01]: He was absolutely serious about this theory that there were bipedal ape-like creatures living in the mountains. 30:45.993 --> 30:48.235 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip said not only had he seen them, 30:48.451 --> 30:56.645 [SPEAKER_01]: he had interacted with them on multiple occasions, and the creatures who lived up with the big foot and other creatures that lived up in the mountains. 30:57.486 --> 31:10.307 [SPEAKER_01]: He said that he had, quote, not violated them and that therefore they made themselves readily available to him, in quote, oh, you take that, however, 31:11.013 --> 31:23.505 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is like, he insinuating what I think he's insinuating a skips a creepster, so let's not put a past him. 31:25.847 --> 31:32.513 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, he's gives obviously not a very humble person. 31:32.533 --> 31:34.675 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 31:35.216 --> 31:39.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, insinuating that he even has the ability to violate 31:40.257 --> 31:45.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Bigfoot have not violated them so they make themselves readily available to them. 31:45.925 --> 31:47.448 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that's not what it means. 31:47.548 --> 31:48.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Me too, but he's a weirdo. 31:49.030 --> 31:50.492 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's definitely a weirdo. 31:50.752 --> 31:54.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't we can't cut it out? 31:54.438 --> 31:54.638 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:55.860 --> 31:56.100 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:56.501 --> 31:58.584 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:58.604 --> 32:02.029 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he had taken pictures of Bigfoot on multiple occasions. 32:02.262 --> 32:15.859 [SPEAKER_01]: According to the book, Skip had even taken his alleged Bigfoot Polaroids to an expert, the Chair of Anthropology Department, or Chair of the Anthropology Department at Fresno State University. 32:16.620 --> 32:19.444 [SPEAKER_01]: This Anthropologist agreed to meet with Skip and look at his pictures. 32:19.925 --> 32:25.972 [SPEAKER_01]: When Skip showed the Anthropologist the photos that he was so excited about, the Anthropologist told J.O. 32:25.993 --> 32:30.278 [SPEAKER_01]: Connell, the author of the book, years later, that he vividly remembered that meeting. 32:30.258 --> 32:38.913 [SPEAKER_01]: that he didn't see anything in the pictures except shadows, and that he talked to skip about projection, the idea that we project images of expectations. 32:39.414 --> 32:41.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, we see what we want to see sometimes. 32:42.199 --> 32:49.431 [SPEAKER_01]: The expert saw zero evidence of Bigfoot, but Skip was absolutely convinced that he had seen Bigfoot. 32:49.597 --> 32:53.425 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was going to let, or he wasn't going to let someone else tell him otherwise. 32:53.946 --> 33:02.724 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, a few days later, skip left a brown paper bag full of bones at the anthropologist's office that apparently were not human in nature. 33:07.474 --> 33:08.095 [SPEAKER_00]: This dude's 33:09.340 --> 33:26.125 [SPEAKER_02]: It was actually crazy and you know, it almost had me, it almost had me when he was telling the police, listen, I took a photograph of evidence to the so-and-so of this university for a second in my brain. 33:26.145 --> 33:28.428 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, that's kind of weird. 33:28.448 --> 33:34.858 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really expect a method to make that part up. 33:35.075 --> 33:39.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and then you're like, but then they question this guy and he's like, yeah, he came here. 33:39.882 --> 33:44.308 [SPEAKER_02]: He definitely did, however, there wasn't shit in the photograph. 33:44.628 --> 33:46.130 [SPEAKER_01]: He also brought a bag of bones. 33:47.212 --> 33:54.622 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just to be anything, probably fucking rotisserie chicken bones from probably, probably. 33:55.283 --> 33:56.485 [SPEAKER_02]: That he didn't pay for. 33:56.505 --> 33:58.327 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he definitely ate it. 33:58.347 --> 33:59.749 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll walk around the store. 34:01.855 --> 34:24.471 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, the police began to question him about Teresa, his story changed several times, and he insisted on calling her Sam, a nickname that he had given her, which kind of muddied the water in the missing person's case because the initial flyers that were put out, they had named her Sam on the flyers. 34:25.953 --> 34:27.115 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that makes sense. 34:27.375 --> 34:28.536 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense. 34:28.917 --> 34:29.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's listen for. 34:30.799 --> 34:32.522 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the one so that I have a nickname for. 34:32.582 --> 34:35.946 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll just use the nickname because everybody knows that it's my nickname for her. 34:37.128 --> 34:38.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally everyone's dropping the ball. 34:38.970 --> 34:40.632 [SPEAKER_01]: The ball's not even in the court at this point. 34:40.652 --> 34:42.655 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, the ball's not an existent. 34:43.055 --> 34:43.736 [SPEAKER_02]: No, gone. 34:44.858 --> 34:51.406 [SPEAKER_01]: So some of the stories that our buddy skip, not our buddy. 34:51.706 --> 34:52.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Walk that guy. 34:52.808 --> 34:53.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:53.148 --> 34:55.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip here. 34:56.075 --> 34:59.140 [SPEAKER_01]: told was, first he claimed to drop her off at school. 35:00.442 --> 35:02.406 [SPEAKER_01]: And the cops are like, no, you didn't. 35:03.167 --> 35:05.591 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, yeah, you're right. 35:06.393 --> 35:08.356 [SPEAKER_01]: We went to the mountain to look for big foot. 35:09.778 --> 35:19.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he claimed that Theresa had ran off in the woods with another young woman and later claimed that she had left with other campers. 35:20.611 --> 35:22.233 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, we don't think that's true. 35:22.814 --> 35:25.738 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, well, that's probably also right. 35:26.459 --> 35:28.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Bigfooted forcefully taken her. 35:28.322 --> 35:33.470 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh, diddy. 35:33.510 --> 35:44.786 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like, well, actually Theresa got really excited after she'd seen Bigfoot a couple times, which led her to run off into the woods to chase the creature and he couldn't find her. 35:46.428 --> 35:49.673 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh, did she? 35:50.345 --> 35:58.414 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, but don't bother looking for her because she's not coming back because she's going to be happier with the big foot community in the mountains than she would have been at home. 35:59.635 --> 36:02.739 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, skip does seem like he's got to shift together. 36:02.779 --> 36:09.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I could I would rather live with the big foot colony than have to live in the meth colony. 36:09.967 --> 36:10.428 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:10.448 --> 36:11.809 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, hands down. 36:12.970 --> 36:17.656 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy, not only is he a method, he's a fucking moron. 36:18.336 --> 36:18.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:19.623 --> 36:22.487 [SPEAKER_02]: I love how he's just telling them stories and they're like, yes, not really. 36:22.507 --> 36:23.408 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yeah, you're right. 36:24.049 --> 36:24.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:24.630 --> 36:26.593 [SPEAKER_02]: What really happened though was this. 36:26.653 --> 36:28.635 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, no, it didn't even go, yeah, you're right. 36:31.900 --> 36:32.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:32.080 --> 36:32.180 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:33.462 --> 36:38.869 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate to break it to you, but after the first one, they're not gonna believe anything you fucking say. 36:39.691 --> 36:40.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you weren't done. 36:41.433 --> 36:47.301 [SPEAKER_01]: He said that she was gonna be happier in the Bigfoot community because Bigfoot's are quote, super intelligent beings. 36:48.209 --> 36:48.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:49.150 --> 36:59.926 [SPEAKER_01]: He went on to say that not only did Bigfoot exist in the Nevada mountains, Sierra Nevada mountains, but that Bigfoot was guarding a race of super intelligent beings that lived on the mountain. 37:01.348 --> 37:10.120 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, these particular Bigfoot's are 10 to 11 feet tall, hairy, and this master race of beings that lived in the mountains looked like regular people. 37:10.521 --> 37:15.027 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, one of the master race humanoids apparently really liked Teresa. 37:15.530 --> 37:20.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip said that the super intelligent being who is hanging out with Teresa actually kind of look like her. 37:22.425 --> 37:24.610 [SPEAKER_01]: The tale is just telling itself at this point. 37:24.971 --> 37:25.472 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 37:25.492 --> 37:25.652 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 37:26.374 --> 37:26.474 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 37:26.494 --> 37:28.238 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the unfortunate thing is, is that. 37:28.278 --> 37:35.614 [SPEAKER_02]: Like on any given day, I probably would believe that story. 37:37.366 --> 37:45.878 [SPEAKER_02]: except for the fact that you're a method and you have a rap sheet of doing this to people. 37:46.920 --> 37:51.146 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because a lot of what you say is not exactly far off. 37:52.608 --> 38:00.319 [SPEAKER_02]: However, you can never just count the fact that he's a method and I can't drive a home and not. 38:00.819 --> 38:02.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's definitely a creeper. 38:04.585 --> 38:08.809 [SPEAKER_02]: The, the fuck probably couldn't afford Iowa scared him was like, well, second best thing. 38:08.889 --> 38:17.498 [SPEAKER_02]: Math, uh, let's, let's see, I'm going to go on a, I'm going to go on spiritual journey and smoke a fucking battery. 38:17.538 --> 38:20.201 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 38:20.221 --> 38:32.753 [SPEAKER_01]: So Skips had the super intelligent being who was hanging out with Teresa actually kind of look like her and that they were the same age, both medium height, and he said they ran 38:33.458 --> 38:39.204 [SPEAKER_01]: After that, Skip told this wild story about being attacked by a devil-like creature. 38:40.526 --> 38:48.995 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he was trying to get down the mountain and drive away, but he said the creature basically picked up his car and made it hover off the ground. 38:49.716 --> 38:57.885 [SPEAKER_01]: He then said that the entity was actually inside the vehicle with him, and he said when he looked in the rear of you mirror, he saw the face of a man in the back seat. 38:58.946 --> 39:00.107 [SPEAKER_01]: He then said, 39:00.914 --> 39:05.282 [SPEAKER_01]: that he began to believe that he was actually seeing the face of Satan writing in the car with him. 39:06.023 --> 39:11.894 [SPEAKER_01]: So we told the detectives that he decided to fight the devil in his car. 39:11.954 --> 39:14.378 [SPEAKER_02]: He told the plane a noble man. 39:14.438 --> 39:16.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. 39:16.742 --> 39:22.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the police started asking him, hey, skip, your hands are kind of fucked up. 39:22.813 --> 39:23.715 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened? 39:24.640 --> 39:34.610 [SPEAKER_01]: He told police that he started swinging at the devil, but instead was hitting a super sick wooden speaker box that he had in the back of his car while trying to fight the devil. 39:35.951 --> 39:47.923 [SPEAKER_01]: He then showed the detective's a bunch of wounds on his hands and scratches all over his knuckles that he said he got while trying to fight the devil and accidentally punching his wooden speaker box. 39:47.983 --> 39:48.263 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 39:50.265 --> 39:53.128 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not that far-fetched. 39:53.918 --> 39:54.218 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 39:55.481 --> 39:55.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, God. 39:56.943 --> 40:03.273 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip told detectives that he managed to escape this devil spirit by calling on the power of Jesus. 40:04.595 --> 40:12.568 [SPEAKER_01]: And after he apparently exercised the devil from his car, that's when he drove 40:13.493 --> 40:19.299 [SPEAKER_01]: But he said he returned to the mountains the next day where he saw Teresa again. 40:19.359 --> 40:24.545 [SPEAKER_01]: He said she was running through the trees with this other super intelligent humanoid girl. 40:25.246 --> 40:27.388 [SPEAKER_01]: He called out to her, but she didn't respond. 40:31.913 --> 40:42.505 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, during the police interviews, Skip says, without the officers asking anything pertinent at all, 40:43.632 --> 40:59.313 [SPEAKER_01]: that if they happened to find Teresa, there would be no signs of sexual abuse, he claimed that she was willing to do things with him, but he would have never done anything with a young girl that was not his nature. 41:00.094 --> 41:00.976 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 41:00.996 --> 41:03.299 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much everyone in the town begs the differ skip. 41:04.240 --> 41:04.881 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean. 41:07.409 --> 41:15.276 [SPEAKER_02]: Literally every like real question at what point do the police just stop entertaining the nonsense. 41:16.357 --> 41:17.138 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know man. 41:17.198 --> 41:19.721 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they're so I don't I don't know. 41:19.741 --> 41:26.747 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's no fucking like nobody in their right mind sits down with this guy and goes yeah, he's definitely. 41:26.847 --> 41:32.152 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he made a good point, you know, he definitely wanted to do things with him. 41:32.213 --> 41:33.754 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't force it. 41:34.409 --> 41:39.935 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I could see how you would think that he forced her because his hands were all fucked up, but he did punch speaker box. 41:40.376 --> 41:40.996 [SPEAKER_02]: Fightin' the devil. 41:41.397 --> 41:42.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Fightin' the devil, you know? 41:42.918 --> 41:47.503 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, technically the story lines up, like a what point did the police go? 41:47.543 --> 41:48.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Shut up. 41:49.185 --> 41:49.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude. 41:51.147 --> 41:51.788 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck? 41:52.369 --> 41:55.512 [SPEAKER_01]: Wading through the bullshit to try to get any semblance of truth. 41:56.794 --> 41:58.375 [SPEAKER_01]: But at that point, you know that you can't. 41:59.537 --> 42:02.560 [SPEAKER_02]: If you know that you can't, if this dude isn't, 42:02.742 --> 42:05.086 [SPEAKER_02]: Literally you'll call him on it and he missed it. 42:05.146 --> 42:07.089 [SPEAKER_02]: He goes, yeah, you're right. 42:07.670 --> 42:11.015 [SPEAKER_02]: What actually happened was this and then you're like, no, it didn't. 42:11.296 --> 42:12.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right. 42:12.297 --> 42:13.660 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he does another one. 42:13.720 --> 42:19.349 [SPEAKER_01]: It's depressing. 42:19.689 --> 42:20.350 [SPEAKER_02]: I get this point. 42:20.611 --> 42:27.602 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the answer's pretty fucking obvious is what happened because no one absolutely no one. 42:29.827 --> 42:31.329 [SPEAKER_02]: comes forward and goes listen. 42:32.531 --> 42:41.864 [SPEAKER_02]: If you do find her and start telling you about how we did stuff, I just want you to know that he wanted to. 42:41.924 --> 42:46.090 [SPEAKER_01]: He said there wouldn't be any signs of it. 42:46.751 --> 42:49.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because he, he wasn't like that. 42:49.234 --> 42:52.138 [SPEAKER_01]: She wanted to, but he said they did do stuff. 42:52.839 --> 42:53.961 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he said they didn't. 42:54.127 --> 42:56.590 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought you said that he said that they did do stuff. 42:56.811 --> 43:02.879 [SPEAKER_01]: He said if they found her, there would be no signs of sexual assault because that was, that was not his nature. 43:03.079 --> 43:05.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Said she wanted to, but he said no. 43:05.863 --> 43:06.303 [SPEAKER_02]: You got you. 43:06.384 --> 43:10.028 [SPEAKER_02]: However, like you said, everyone in town begs a differer. 43:10.049 --> 43:11.711 [SPEAKER_01]: Said you, that is your nature. 43:11.971 --> 43:13.033 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, definitely you do. 43:13.153 --> 43:17.839 [SPEAKER_02]: And not to mention, you talked about possibly violating Bigfoot. 43:19.878 --> 43:23.983 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a weird, that's a weird thing to say Jesus. 43:24.003 --> 43:24.104 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 43:24.124 --> 43:48.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, big foot may stand my resemble humans, however, not and so by like, you say a mat in my head isn't a whole lot of different than you'd be in like, yeah, I mean, the horse over there is my friend. 43:49.814 --> 43:51.216 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was going to end up with that. 43:51.236 --> 43:52.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to end up with that. 43:52.238 --> 43:52.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 43:52.518 --> 43:55.383 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, you know what I'm saying? 43:55.463 --> 43:58.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't even want to think about that. 43:58.127 --> 44:04.176 [SPEAKER_01]: The situation, however, is the guardian of super intelligent beings. 44:05.438 --> 44:05.699 [SPEAKER_02]: True. 44:06.119 --> 44:06.320 [SPEAKER_02]: True. 44:06.400 --> 44:07.582 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that description too. 44:08.203 --> 44:09.925 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's with a super intelligent being. 44:10.446 --> 44:10.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:10.606 --> 44:14.252 [SPEAKER_01]: She's, she's way happier because she's with a super intelligent being. 44:15.785 --> 44:17.628 [SPEAKER_02]: What a piece of shit. 44:17.748 --> 44:21.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, did he at least get the death penalty? 44:21.654 --> 44:22.756 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, you're gonna get real mad. 44:23.237 --> 44:39.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, awesome So skip agreed to show authorities the campsite where he and Teresa allegedly stayed at keep in mind This is after he told them that he took her to school and then was like, nah, I didn't actually do that I wouldn't actually 44:39.798 --> 44:44.304 [SPEAKER_01]: So we had led them to a small grove of trees at the Meadows Edge along Brown's Creek. 44:44.905 --> 44:52.395 [SPEAKER_01]: At the inner area of this grove, there was a smoldering fire among some heavy layer of pine needles that appeared to be somewhat damp. 44:52.916 --> 44:56.781 [SPEAKER_01]: This burnt area was approximately 3.5 feet wide by 8 feet long. 44:57.582 --> 45:00.085 [SPEAKER_01]: There were these blankets that were put up. 45:00.266 --> 45:02.549 [SPEAKER_01]: They were in a specific formation. 45:02.589 --> 45:05.012 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming probably like a tint maybe. 45:05.650 --> 45:19.023 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, there was a camera, a purse, an off-white bra, a t-shirt, pictures of the country side, and a picture of skip playing a guitar while sitting on what appeared to be the blanket in the grove area. 45:19.543 --> 45:21.185 [SPEAKER_01]: There were also pictures of Teresa. 45:21.885 --> 45:27.291 [SPEAKER_01]: The campsite where all this was found, turned out to be completely staged by skip. 45:28.412 --> 45:29.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what the fuck? 45:30.353 --> 45:35.218 [SPEAKER_01]: He went back and completely 45:36.802 --> 45:57.650 [SPEAKER_01]: from the photos he took of the topography of the land, local deputies figured out that the pictures he took that he claimed were from the campsite was actually at a place 20 miles away in Ghost Canyon where Skip had a mineral claim. 46:00.133 --> 46:01.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Only, moly. 46:01.675 --> 46:02.035 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:02.976 --> 46:09.204 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though he had allegedly lied about the campsite, the meadow and the canyons were both searched. 46:10.585 --> 46:17.934 [SPEAKER_01]: A helicopter searching for clues and signs of Theresa's whereabouts spotted something on the hillside above Brown Creek's camp. 46:18.534 --> 46:26.063 [SPEAKER_01]: It turned out to be a blue shirt the 46:26.954 --> 46:30.120 [SPEAKER_01]: Searches by Bloodhounds were done near the camp. 46:30.400 --> 46:35.209 [SPEAKER_01]: The dogs did detect Teresa's scent at one point, but it didn't amount to anything. 46:35.429 --> 46:36.631 [SPEAKER_01]: No other clues were found. 46:37.913 --> 46:48.372 [SPEAKER_01]: One of Skip's relatives told authorities that Skip had told them about a rocket ghost canyon where a girl need to be tied up and sacrificed to the devil. 46:51.794 --> 46:58.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip's 19-year-old nephew, James Welch, came in voluntarily to talk to the police. 46:58.542 --> 47:02.378 [SPEAKER_01]: This might be the only decent human being out of the whole group. 47:03.708 --> 47:08.134 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he needed to talk to someone because he had very important information that could help solve a case. 47:08.715 --> 47:11.439 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he'd gone up into the mountains several times with his uncle. 47:12.220 --> 47:21.474 [SPEAKER_01]: He said he knew his uncle very well, and that his theory was that Skippet Lev did the detectives to a fake campsite, and then he'd actually taken Teresa to Ghost Canyon. 47:22.275 --> 47:29.445 [SPEAKER_01]: James said that he thought his uncle, quote, was just trying to lead us on a wild goose chase in the quote. 47:29.425 --> 47:37.075 [SPEAKER_01]: James said that he got into an argument with skip at one point and that skip told him about what he called the burial site of the devil. 47:37.996 --> 47:43.463 [SPEAKER_01]: James said, he first thought skip was talking about bigfoot worshiping women in a positive way. 47:43.964 --> 47:59.263 [SPEAKER_01]: He then started to realize that he believed that skip was talking about making some kind of human sacrifice to bigfoot. 48:00.897 --> 48:03.063 [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many twists and turns in this. 48:03.283 --> 48:04.186 [SPEAKER_02]: It's unreal. 48:06.432 --> 48:08.056 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy. 48:08.076 --> 48:11.225 [SPEAKER_02]: It legitimately screams delusional method. 48:11.606 --> 48:11.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 48:14.694 --> 48:15.075 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 48:17.553 --> 48:38.515 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... skip was charged with child endangerment and child stealing he was arranged and released on his uh... reconnaissance by a judge galager however this judge did not realize that a judge often had increased skips bail to thirty thousand dollars after reviewing the case so they just let him go 48:40.300 --> 48:47.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, luckily they caught their mistake and he was re-arrested three days before Skip's trials. 48:47.889 --> 48:51.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Skip's trial authorities dropped the child stealing charge. 48:51.813 --> 49:02.205 [SPEAKER_01]: They had offered to recommend a one year sentence if Skip signed a waiver allowing them to go forward with the murder charges if Teresa's body was located, but Skip refused. 49:02.785 --> 49:09.733 [SPEAKER_01]: The prosecution then decided to drop the case to avoid double jeopardy if they wanted to charge him with murder later. 49:10.962 --> 49:15.107 [SPEAKER_01]: which they did not, because they didn't have any evidence. 49:17.349 --> 49:22.395 [SPEAKER_01]: So he went completely Scott free. 49:23.957 --> 49:27.941 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fucked up thing is, everybody knows he did it. 49:30.744 --> 49:32.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 49:32.246 --> 49:37.392 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're just like, eh, like, I'm sorry, but when you charge somebody 49:38.755 --> 49:46.566 [SPEAKER_02]: child kidnapping, they should never go free, ever, ever, ever, ever. 49:48.608 --> 49:52.353 [SPEAKER_02]: It should be, like, it should be instantaneous prison for life. 49:53.375 --> 50:00.464 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, horrific crimes towards children, bare minimum prison for life. 50:00.484 --> 50:01.105 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 50:01.886 --> 50:02.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely agree. 50:03.028 --> 50:05.631 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there should not, there should not be a process. 50:05.852 --> 50:06.973 [SPEAKER_02]: It 50:08.202 --> 50:10.444 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's on like the bare minimum side of it. 50:11.825 --> 50:11.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 50:11.925 --> 50:25.137 [SPEAKER_01]: That whole, the whole like weird mentality of the people in that town, or not necessarily the whole town, but the people that were in that circle, bonkers, man. 50:26.799 --> 50:38.209 [SPEAKER_02]: While most people are lucky that I didn't become a fucking lawyer or something or a prosecutor, because I would crucify 50:38.577 --> 50:46.180 [SPEAKER_02]: If they're a DA or something, whoever has the power, I would, I would hang everybody out to dry. 50:46.842 --> 50:47.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:47.103 --> 50:51.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Every, the cops, everybody, I would be trying to hammer them all. 50:52.499 --> 50:55.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty bad. 50:55.844 --> 51:01.611 [SPEAKER_01]: While most people believe this skip is guilty of killing to recent disposing of her body. 51:02.112 --> 51:11.245 [SPEAKER_01]: However, there is a theory put forward by skip's family that a group of serial killers named the speed free killers abducted and killed her while there is no. 51:11.765 --> 51:16.171 [SPEAKER_01]: There's as much evidence for the speed free killer's killing her as there is for Bigfoot abductorner. 51:16.552 --> 51:17.013 [SPEAKER_01]: So none. 51:17.954 --> 51:19.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Zero. 51:19.516 --> 51:32.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite Shandra admitting that her father was a predator at the time of Teresa's disappearance, she defended him after his arrest, claiming that her father's only crime was practicing poor judgment by taking the young girl to the sea areas. 51:33.387 --> 51:35.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Teresa Ann Beer has never been found. 51:36.111 --> 51:40.176 [SPEAKER_01]: At the time of her disappearance, Teresa was five foot five, a hundred and ten pounds. 51:40.657 --> 51:44.202 [SPEAKER_01]: She was last seen wearing a white t-shirt, blue jeans, and lace sandals. 51:44.883 --> 51:46.625 [SPEAKER_01]: She had brown hair and hazel eyes. 51:47.206 --> 51:49.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Teresa's upper front teeth protrude. 51:50.010 --> 51:56.779 [SPEAKER_01]: She has a surgical scar on her lower right leg due to the fracture she received from her W's by her mother. 51:57.552 --> 51:58.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Her nickname is Sam. 51:59.555 --> 52:03.422 [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody has any information on the case, anyone listening? 52:03.843 --> 52:09.793 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter how small you can contact the Fresno Police Department at 5.59, 621-2541. 52:11.856 --> 52:15.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Theresa's case number is 8736264. 52:15.823 --> 52:21.973 [SPEAKER_02]: My heart goes out to her. 52:23.287 --> 52:50.121 [SPEAKER_02]: Complete failure across the board for this portal without question every without question everybody that was supposed to protect her Did example the opposite 100% of falter absolutely falter It is heartbreaking It really is it's it's I can't stand here and things happen children 52:51.080 --> 52:53.443 [SPEAKER_02]: There's not one child that deserves anything like that. 52:53.984 --> 52:55.987 [SPEAKER_02]: No, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. 52:57.389 --> 53:01.294 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but it's, it's ridiculous. 53:02.195 --> 53:07.002 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, there's a, there's a limited docu series coming out on Discovery Plus on the 29th. 53:07.182 --> 53:10.066 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think they're just going to show it. 53:10.126 --> 53:12.950 [SPEAKER_01]: There's three episodes, I believe they're just going to show it one time through. 53:12.970 --> 53:14.893 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there's going to be replays. 53:15.025 --> 53:18.129 [SPEAKER_01]: Jessica Chobot is hosting it. 53:18.210 --> 53:25.079 [SPEAKER_01]: She was on some of Josh Gates investigations and it looks pretty interesting. 53:25.119 --> 53:26.682 [SPEAKER_01]: She's interviewing people in the town. 53:26.782 --> 53:30.026 [SPEAKER_01]: It shows her out boots in the ground, like at the campsites and stuff. 53:30.347 --> 53:34.413 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, are they legitimately going to play the big foot angle? 53:34.513 --> 53:38.198 [SPEAKER_02]: Or is it just like a like a draw? 53:38.228 --> 54:00.683 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it, I think that's what, because the documentary I think it's called Bigfoot Tucker, but from a true crime standpoint and especially from like a parent standpoint, I feel like the paranormal angle is taking everything away from a case that should have been open and shut. 54:01.063 --> 54:02.586 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at with it. 54:02.626 --> 54:04.168 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I asked because 54:05.212 --> 54:08.616 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's a master service to play that card. 54:08.937 --> 54:17.948 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only reason they're doing it is because like where the two genres overlap, this is this is like known as the big foot abduction case. 54:18.970 --> 54:20.472 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're just asking on. 54:20.812 --> 54:24.657 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it isn't like big foot did not abduct her. 54:24.677 --> 54:29.363 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but that's just what it's known for because skips. 54:29.933 --> 54:34.378 [SPEAKER_01]: bonkers asked tail he tried to we like and don't get me wrong. 54:34.558 --> 54:40.424 [SPEAKER_02]: I would be I would legitimately be more skeptical. 54:40.504 --> 54:54.139 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't say that I would believe skip because he's a proven piece of shit but the thing to me that proves that this isn't paranormal is the simple fact that he didn't stay with this story. 54:54.659 --> 54:59.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah he started lying and then just continued 55:00.055 --> 55:09.204 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and if he would have had a story about Bigfoot and a hundred percent stock with it and just kept and that's it. 55:09.384 --> 55:10.305 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my narrative. 55:10.385 --> 55:11.106 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my thing. 55:11.146 --> 55:13.008 [SPEAKER_02]: This is where I'm staying. 55:13.449 --> 55:14.710 [SPEAKER_02]: I would be a little more on the fence. 55:16.111 --> 55:17.653 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be a little more on the fence. 55:17.673 --> 55:19.074 [SPEAKER_02]: I just in my gut. 55:20.255 --> 55:21.797 [SPEAKER_02]: Would still tell me, skip did it. 55:21.957 --> 55:23.639 [SPEAKER_02]: However, I'd be a little more on the fence. 55:24.440 --> 55:26.822 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, man, like this is a tough one. 55:27.376 --> 55:28.377 [SPEAKER_02]: because he didn't deviate. 55:28.958 --> 55:34.165 [SPEAKER_02]: However, the simple fact that they go, no, it didn't, and he goes, hey, right, here's what actually happened. 55:34.326 --> 55:36.128 [SPEAKER_02]: That right there tells me you're a fucking liar. 55:36.228 --> 55:37.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me change it eight more times. 55:37.931 --> 55:39.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're a fucking liar. 55:39.773 --> 55:41.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm a piece of trash. 55:42.177 --> 55:44.820 [SPEAKER_02]: And a piece of trash, who deserve far worse. 55:46.282 --> 55:46.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:46.963 --> 55:49.046 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that you're getting far worse. 55:49.407 --> 55:53.613 [SPEAKER_01]: He died in 1998, I believe. 55:53.773 --> 55:56.016 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I wrote that down in my notes, 55:56.654 --> 56:07.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much everyone's around it with the cases except for like skips children and Theresa's siblings have either overdoster died of heart attacks. 56:07.749 --> 56:09.431 [SPEAKER_02]: So surprise surprise. 56:09.711 --> 56:12.795 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Surprise surprise. 56:12.915 --> 56:13.817 [SPEAKER_02]: It's I don't know. 56:13.957 --> 56:23.309 [SPEAKER_02]: She liked that is fucking terrible and if anybody out there ever comes across a situation even a remotely similar fucking do something about it. 56:23.669 --> 56:24.130 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah 56:24.278 --> 56:47.653 [SPEAKER_02]: don't sit around and be afraid of it to do something about it say something and that goes to the fucking cops everybody do the right thing come on this is great that that shit should never that should have had not happened 50 times over the fact that it played out the way that it did is as a nine yep 56:49.304 --> 57:00.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like I said, it just testament to that to Theresa being failed on literally every front of her life, and the moment she was born, everyone failed her. 57:01.118 --> 57:01.398 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 57:01.418 --> 57:02.320 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not wrong there. 57:02.600 --> 57:06.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's a hundred percent backs sucks. 57:06.825 --> 57:08.487 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I just do not understand. 57:08.507 --> 57:11.110 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I'll never be able to wrap my brain around it. 57:12.187 --> 57:20.000 [SPEAKER_02]: how you could hurt a fucking the three-year-old like that or it's just nine-year-old 12-year- I don't know, I just cannot fathom it. 57:20.420 --> 57:21.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 57:21.863 --> 57:23.946 [SPEAKER_02]: Even a 17-year-old cannot fathom it. 57:24.307 --> 57:24.647 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 57:24.667 --> 57:30.216 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was thinking, like, like Maddox will turn 16, the end of this, or the end of December. 57:31.118 --> 57:32.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's still a kid. 57:32.780 --> 57:33.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he's still a child. 57:33.962 --> 57:36.426 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you're still a kid and you're fucking early 20s. 57:36.567 --> 57:36.827 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 57:38.950 --> 57:45.919 [SPEAKER_01]: And just to have like everyone that you turn to, just be a piece of garbage, it's crazy. 57:46.980 --> 58:02.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only person that like while the information was not like super available, it seemed like the only person that did her any good was those few short years she lived with Sylvia the woman from church. 58:03.240 --> 58:03.540 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:04.685 --> 58:17.005 [SPEAKER_01]: The only save that in that poor woman's what could be going through her brain, you know, that like she tried to do something good and like the state came back in and were like, you know, you're just going to give her back. 58:17.045 --> 58:18.287 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see how it looks out. 58:18.487 --> 58:18.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:20.270 --> 58:20.831 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy. 58:22.073 --> 58:22.794 [SPEAKER_02]: It is, man. 58:23.014 --> 58:27.942 [SPEAKER_02]: It just, it just goes to show you like what's wrong with humanity. 58:28.394 --> 58:31.638 [SPEAKER_02]: There were like, and this is why hey, true crime. 58:31.658 --> 58:38.788 [SPEAKER_02]: This is why hey, that holds genre because there's so many things that should be so fucking blatantly obvious. 58:39.990 --> 58:53.548 [SPEAKER_02]: And whether it be the court systems or the police or the family or whomever, everybody just goes, oh, well, you know, we're just, you know, it's, you know, we're just falling rules, guys. 58:54.049 --> 58:54.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck that. 58:54.590 --> 58:55.491 [SPEAKER_02]: Do the right thing. 58:55.651 --> 58:56.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck that. 58:56.913 --> 59:25.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and this fuck that and this piece of trash got didn't get anything it's crazy thing fucking crazy dude $30,000 bond all wiped because they I'm assuming they thought that they were going to find her body and get them for murder and they didn't it didn't get that mean anything assuming she is the sea so it's 59:26.545 --> 59:34.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Odds are, it's not very far from his little gold miner mineral. 59:34.896 --> 59:35.517 [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck the claim. 59:37.540 --> 59:39.623 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's probably so full of mines out there. 59:39.663 --> 59:46.092 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he probably had knowledge and capability of hiding her. 59:47.513 --> 59:53.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Best case scenario is she's living with big foot in the intelligent beings in this era. 59:54.912 --> 59:55.399 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's hope. 59:55.723 --> 59:56.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Best case scenario. 59:56.920 --> 59:57.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's hope. 59:59.063 --> 01:00:15.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was kind of a, kind of a somber one, but I know that it's going to be kind of be ticking off on on, on, on discovery plus and people would probably want to hear our take on it and kind of see how it lines up. 01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:25.105 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm interesting to see what kind of information they got compared to the information in the book and the information I listened to a couple podcasts and 01:00:25.608 --> 01:00:27.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, just kind of put that all together. 01:00:28.012 --> 01:00:31.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you hear any other consensus that was convinced that it was big foot? 01:00:31.918 --> 01:00:33.441 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 01:00:33.461 --> 01:00:33.922 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:00:33.942 --> 01:00:34.703 [SPEAKER_01]: Zero evidence. 01:00:35.905 --> 01:00:40.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Zero evidence for big foot outside of skip saying that it was big foot. 01:00:41.054 --> 01:00:41.895 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:00:42.145 --> 01:00:49.695 [SPEAKER_01]: which he also said she voluntarily went with big foot, big foot, forcibly abduct her, abducted her. 01:00:49.755 --> 01:00:57.526 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the super intelligent beings that look like her that she ran off in the woods with, the Satan worshipers turned her into a white devil. 01:00:57.566 --> 01:01:00.610 [SPEAKER_01]: You can just cry. 01:01:01.011 --> 01:01:05.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Just pick pretty much everything he said was a lie. 01:01:05.938 --> 01:01:09.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Was a lie. 01:01:10.259 --> 01:01:11.060 [SPEAKER_02]: 100% a lot. 01:01:11.601 --> 01:01:12.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy case. 01:01:14.084 --> 01:01:14.865 [SPEAKER_02]: That is crazy. 01:01:16.887 --> 01:01:38.713 [SPEAKER_02]: So they said I fully agree and support like that mentioning big foot as a possible as the tag the headline is just to 01:01:40.634 --> 01:01:44.477 [SPEAKER_01]: Takes away from like a legitimate tragedy. 01:01:45.201 --> 01:01:45.362 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:01:49.156 --> 01:01:53.903 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that's it for today, holocooled again. 01:01:53.923 --> 01:02:07.802 [SPEAKER_01]: If anybody listening out on the west coast around Northern California, know anything, hurt anything, traips around that area, seeing anything, contact the Fresno Police Department. 01:02:07.822 --> 01:02:11.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're still, obviously, they're still interested in the case. 01:02:12.106 --> 01:02:17.091 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they got this documentary coming out and I'm hopefully it kicks open some doors. 01:02:17.192 --> 01:02:26.361 [SPEAKER_01]: I know everything like Josh Gates, which it's not him, but anything like him and his crew does is usually pretty legit. 01:02:26.381 --> 01:02:30.266 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, she was a member of that show for quite a while. 01:02:30.326 --> 01:02:34.450 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully she gets the ball rolling, gets her new interest, gives people talking. 01:02:35.091 --> 01:02:35.752 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be awesome. 01:02:35.932 --> 01:02:37.033 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can get to the bathroom. 01:02:39.089 --> 01:02:41.816 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, thanks for hanging out with us in this Monday. 01:02:41.876 --> 01:02:43.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out our socials. 01:02:44.904 --> 01:02:48.533 [SPEAKER_01]: And until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird. 01:02:48.593 --> 01:02:52.322 [SPEAKER_01]: And remember, the real monsters are human.