[SPEAKER_02]: You're crazy, you're bonkers, you're silly, you're blah, blah, blah, blah, but all the best people are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, fuck you, Tim Burton.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so...
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Reketopia, a happy home for Reketmetted movies, TV shows, music, video games, foodstuffs, and more from three people you can definitely trust.
[SPEAKER_04]: Trustability varies by region no guarantees implied.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Ian Dyson.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a perfect example what I've been talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since his boy was suppin' on his mama's kid, he's been given everything but discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now his idea of courage and manhood is to get together with a bunch of punk friends and ride around and we're taking folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: to good nature and put a stop to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what do you think you are, huh?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just dunk it, huh?
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't kill him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is episode 185 of Rekotopia.
[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Chris Atkinson, joined by Aaron Dicer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Paddley Ho, Hubby Reno's, and also joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: we'd also like to welcome chat who apparently right now just two people I don't know just two people in chat right now I don't know maybe there's more there's more maybe there's more people um yeah I know there's but um but uh yes well thank you for coming out here and watching us talk about movies on a Tuesday today's big recommend is second hand lions and um let's get on to our
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so small and light, it's small, it's tiny, it's petite, it's weak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aaron, what do you go?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, I've been buried in documentaries.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I mentioned that, and I watched a documentary series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although when you watch it, it really kind of feels just like a five hour documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it is called Mr. Scorsese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it is on what is now known as Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have done away with the plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are now, they have minus, they have minus to the plus and I think it just dropped this past week.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is as close as I will ever come to designating something as a must watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is so much information in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: that if you are a cinephile at all, and I'm not even like a huge course as a guy, a famously don't love good fellows as much as most people do, like, you know, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was enthralled by this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually came away liking a lot of his movies even a little bit more after hearing him talk about them, hearing him, going to depth about some of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few things that make this series,
[SPEAKER_01]: really pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them is they got everybody to sit down and talk about these movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really the only significant person missing is Pashi, but he famously doesn't like to do this kind of stuff and they even mention it in the docu series.
[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody else is sitting down, you know, Leo talks a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, obviously, um, you know, uh, why can't I think of the the best actor of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel, these years, uh, talk about this like the narrative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yeah, either I could be talking about either one of them, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and they all sit down and and chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, I think actually Rebecca Miller, who directed this, I think she's married
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it so like that probably wasn't a hard get for her to get DDL, but I was blown away by this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the other big things that makes a pop for me specifically is the amount of depth he goes into his faith and where he was in his faith journey during each of these movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he talks about
[SPEAKER_01]: being, you know, Catholic and believing and then losing his faith and completely not believing and then refining it again in a new way, it's all, it's just also fascinating to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just highly, highly recommend this series.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I imagine it goes in the depth too, probably, about what he was going through with the last temptation of Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of people who were just not understanding what that movie was about, and, you know, I'm wondering how that, I'm definitely going to watch this at some point when I get the time, too, because
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I think I could watch a whole big documentary about Michael Bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael Bay talks about how he is what his philosophy of films are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like many Michael Bay movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's probably like two that I really like.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I would sit there and gobble that documentary right up because it's always fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hear somebody who's at, you know, at the top or close to the top, talk about what their philosophy of film is and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, so even if you don't like the person's work, I think they have a great body of knowledge to hand it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is similar to my philosophy about live music.
[SPEAKER_04]: genre of live music if it's performed well.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't listen to bluegrass.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a bluegrass guy, but I will absolutely go to a bluegrass concert because I like fine musicianship.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's similar in that regard.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had no interest in this until you just said what you said about it, and now I'm going to have to watch this freaking thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe not the Michael Bay one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would watch that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's just one little thing too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember really, I really liked Scorsese, but like when the movie Casino came out and there was a making of on HBO, one of those, they used to do, I don't know if they still do this, where HBO is like, here's a little 15 minute feature at about some movie that's coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just filling time until, you know, it's time to play beaches or something, so like, so they, so they did a casino when I think it was, I think it was casino, I mean, I think they did it on HBO, but like,
[SPEAKER_02]: They were talking about like all the attention to detail he has and you know like talking about like De Niro and one scene had to wear a certain suit, a certain watch and the watch had to had to match with the suit and had to match with the decor and all those other time was up and it's like just stuff like that like you would never even think about as far as like this is what I'm going to do to direct this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make sure that
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, stuff like that, that's where I really started going, oh, oh, it's way, it is actually a way higher level than we think of when we're thinking of directors right my only my only qualm with this series is it goes in depth with every single movie in his filmography in a linear fashion like it goes through through them by time.
[SPEAKER_01]: except for one only movie that they don't go into as Hugo and I really wanted to hear him talk about your ghosting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like her so I do too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm really curious about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why late?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything else is mentioned.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's so it's so much of an outlier compared to the rest of his work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You think that they would want to ask him about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I wouldn't, if it deserves an all, it's all episode on its own.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why we didn't do Hugo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll cover that in a season two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you got, Jeremy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, um...
[SPEAKER_04]: After Aaron's, uh, must watch, um, Duck you series on one of the greatest directors of all time.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel really good about what I'm bringing to the table this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: A new mountain dooflers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we should.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that some gummy worms?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, so it's Mountain Dew, trolley, cherry lemons, zero sugar.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a lot of my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Delicious.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have seen people say it's too sweet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_04]: If you love trying different mountain dew flavors and they've been hundreds at this point, you're gonna love some and think some of them are too sweet.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just how it goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: This one I happen to love and it does have very strong cherry flavors and again, very happy that the cook and Pepsi people have figured out the zero sugar thing to the point that they have because I really don't miss the sugar and there's not that nasty,
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I have seen this everywhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in the gas station and the corner.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in the two supermarkets that I shop at regularly.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's only in zero sugar.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling if you made a real sugar version of this soda.
[SPEAKER_04]: No one would drink it because it would be all the sugar in the world in one bottle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_04]: watch the five hour docky series on the Great Martens list with a trolley cherry lemon zero sugar mountain do in your hand right and and he might as well go ahead and get the the sour worms while you're at it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does kind of have a sour gummy worm kind of a taste.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like it and I happen to like those gummy worms.
[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe that's part of the reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I have not seen these at any store that I go to yet, but if I do, I'm going to try this out because it sounds very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also have a documentary.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a documentary series, but I have a movie that I watched.
[SPEAKER_02]: It came out last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's John Candy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like me.
[SPEAKER_01]: you're in step with yourself, Jeremy, and that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this show is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, I followed your candy flavor drink with John Candy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, so it all works out in the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot how much I always have to be reminded.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how time is.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much I really loved John Candy back in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've discussed this before like one of the first one of my first big movie moments was when our family got HBO and like a lot of movies from 1984 were playing during the time that we got it and one of them was splash used to watch splash all the time this is my introduction into John candy
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really, really love the guy and I even remember going to see movies like the great outdoors and nothing but trouble and Uncle Buck all in theaters and everything and like in some of these movies, you know, we're not good, but you just he was always good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's Harry Crum?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like these these type of thing like he was always good and I'm but
[SPEAKER_02]: The documentary starts off with Bill Murray talking about how I wish that there was something bad to say about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that the production team here finds somebody who can say something bad about John Cane because that's something that I would like to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he then they tease that he's got a bad story about John Cane, which they will later tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, it's
[SPEAKER_02]: But obviously it gets a lot, it goes into his life and then the man, he, his dad died when he was five and the dad was 35.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had to grow up during, during this without a dad and like he, the whole family has like heart problems and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously John Candy back in 1994, that's what took him was a heart attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: to the point they didn't even talk about this but to the point that they had to this was one of the first digital uh... inserts of a of a character into a movie because he had died before filming was over and they found some shot of him like like uh... pouring something out or whatever and they digitally inserted him at the end or something to kind of finish out the movie or whatever they can talk about that in this but
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it's it talks about his life and like how just he's probably a nice guy to the point of that with being a flaw in his character almost but too nice like with willing to do anything for anybody and and to the point that it actually affected him health wise and career wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, one of the devastating things about John candy is is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was known for being a big dude and a funny big dude and like any time that he would try to like lose weight or anything The industry is basically like no you can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the big funny guy So like he always felt like he needed to keep the pounds on so that he could just keep doing his career and everything like that
[SPEAKER_02]: So it goes through his, you know, early days, you know, I think the first thing they mentioned is God spell, I'm not sure if he's in God spell in the Toronto version of it or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But all the people in that Toronto God spell would end up being in second city and then, and then he was, then he was invited along the second city.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had first started apparently like.
[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't like great at improv and kind of like hidden the background and everything and then something just sort of broke through after a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: CCTV follows that and then of course a big huge movie career and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys like John Candy and, you know, you've seen a lot of his stuff over the years, you know, you know, how what a what a presence he was and everything he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like even home alone, he's only in it for just a few minutes and he still somehow makes an impression in that movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: McColle Colkins in there to tell you how old you are basically he has some facts.
[SPEAKER_02]: talking about how he's 44 now and he's one year older than John Candy was when he died and he's seven years older than John Candy was in a co-book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stuff like that, but this is really, really, really good and even if I think even if you don't know a lot of John Candy's work, you might watch this and go, man, I want to watch everything he's in after this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's on
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Colin Hanks, of course he's got his dad Tom Hanks goes on here and talks a little bit about splash and nice and when he first when he first was introduced to John Candy and everything so that's that's in there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was one of the main ones I was pushing for nomination this year for documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's really well done and it's interesting because so many times documentaries, a lot of the ones that find their way to like awards and the top or whatever are these dark explorations.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've mentioned a few even here on the show, like the perfect neighbor or, you know, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's nice to also have one that's that explores the positivity of a human being and yes, there's tragedy in this story, but it is so full of life and love and positivity in the impact that he had on it seems like everybody came in the contact with he was just like one of those dudes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also really like some of the interview stuff that they show where interviews are completely insensitive about his, his way being a part of his acting and those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just like, can't people just take me as a human being, you know, like, you know, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can see how much it affects it on screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's sitting there keeping it together.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're sitting there like this again.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about my weight again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we just talk about something else basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because there was there's even a point later on where there's somebody who who's like who's like asking him about is there anybody who tells you that you know to lose weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: blah blah blah and all that and he goes he goes you like the way you are or whatever and he goes yeah yeah I don't have any problem with it and he's like do you have an issue with it and he's like oh no no when he's like oh good cause you asked a question you know so yeah exactly so it's good so yeah yeah it's really good so check it out it's on prime I know you have to
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get on to our big recommend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that you're so big.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good rule, but this is bigger than rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bigger on the inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I noticed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's second hand lions and it's Aaron's turn, so Aaron takes us to take it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, second hand lions is a 2003 heart string drama that didn't do much at the box office had limited critical success in one almost no awards, except for the best intergenerational film at the AARP movies for grown-ups awards.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's prestigious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a movie I loved 20 years ago and really what else matters.
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie begins with Robert DeVal recklessly flying a plane underneath a highway overpass and then evading police pursuit by going vertical, which is clearly cheating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elsewhere, a cartoonist named Walter, who has a striking resemblance to Josh Lucas, receives a phone call with bad news about his two uncles before we are flashed back to a young Walter, played by the discount tween version of Haley Joel Osmond.
[SPEAKER_01]: His mom played by Kira Sejwik, maybe the only actor with an inverted Kevin Bacon number is taking him to stay with his two uncles who have just re-appeared in Texas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her goal is for him to ingratiate himself to his uncle so that maybe they'll leave their rumored millions to them when they die.
[SPEAKER_01]: They find the uncles fishing with rifles, and it's none other than Robert Duval and Michael Kane is Garth and Hub, and is Michael Kane really going to try to pull off a Southern American accent for this entire movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walter tries to adjust to the simple life of no television and solicitor hunting.
[SPEAKER_01]: One night while dry brushing his teeth, Walter sees a locked mystery chest with stickers from around the world on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: A bit later, he accidentally himself the key and manages to look inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a picture of a mysterious woman buried in some sand, but it is nothing like the pictures
[SPEAKER_01]: But before he can look further, he sees his uncle hub heading out to do some late-side plunger fighting for an audience of canines, who seem to be enjoying the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometime later, another group of relatives show up in the movie makes it very clear that they are the money grubbers looking to grub some money, and we should hate them in their stupid kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their presence causes Walter to run off where he finds out his mom lied to him again about where she was going, so he decides to head towards Montana instead, but his uncles go get him so he can act as relative repellent back at the ranch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walter's presence along with him, convincing his uncles to spend some money on a ski launcher, does the trick, and the other set of DNA connected humans head for the hills.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, Garth stops Walter from waking up hub in another one of his sleepwalking moments and then builds a campfire so he can send us into a flashback within a flashback.
[SPEAKER_01]: About the time he and hub went to Europe during the war, eventually to be known as World War 1.
[SPEAKER_01]: Met some twins, if the Mulan Rouge got drugged, conscripted into the French Foreign Legion and ended up sword fighting in the desert for a woman named Jasmine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, typical long-lost love backstory stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: to the home on tige gardening house that was clear right yes okay make sure it's a beautiful garden to but it turns out the salesmen only sold them some corn seeds so now they'll only be eating corn and learning the consequences of not chewing your food fully
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, some Missouri boys bring the uncles a role credits lion that they hope to hunt for sport, but the lion is so old and lazy they just give it to the boy as a pet, and he promptly and, in sensitively, I might add names at Jasmine.
[SPEAKER_01]: They then head down to the market for some Purino lion chow which is apparently a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hub does all the loading, and it puts him in the hospital, which I guess is as good an excuse as any for Garth to continue his Peter falking and Walter to continue his Fred savaging, as we learn about the Princess Jasmine and Hub C-side a question.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there goes my double feature, I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his, uh, they learn about, uh, Jasmine and Hub C-side a question and meet Cute and his swashbuckling rescue of her from a doomed marriage to a sheep.
[SPEAKER_01]: After getting out of the hospital, the trio stopped for ribs before some local who ligands dropped by to cause trouble, but ended up getting their butts up because they didn't realize they brought knives to a hubfight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the whole crew ends up back at the farm, the other relatives whose kids let out the titular lion, the uncles, Walter, and even the four hoodlums that hugged beat up at the rib joint are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all tried to chase the lion, but realized it's happy in the corn field jungle, and it's no threat at all, and should just be on the loose because of course it should.
[SPEAKER_01]: The relatives leave, Hub gives his manly man speech to the hoodlums, and Garth picks up the tale of young Hub and Jasmine, and in this part Hub spares the sheaks life again, but he gets rich on oil anyway, and despite Walter's curiosity, Garth says if he wants to know about what happened to Jasmine, he'll have to get it from Hub.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up on the purchase list for my two uncles is a build at yourself airplane foreshadowing kit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, is in media's res foreshadowing called backshadowing instead?
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a ruling on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it doesn't really matter, let's move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: That night Walter gets the courage to wake Sleepwalking Hub and ask about his love Jasmine.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says that she and their child died during childbirth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walter then says he needs to know if the stories are true because his mom always lies and he needs to know what is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: This leads up to give him half of the man's speech, specifically the part about how sometimes the things that may not be true are the most important to believe in, like Bigfoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyhow, after making Hub promised to stick around so he can give him the rest of the speech when he's older, we get a corneeding montage in some more rifle fishing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it happens, one night Walter discovers where the money is hidden and boy, how he there is a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he wonders if it was stolen so he asks the dogs what they think.
[SPEAKER_01]: So of course, shortly after this is when Mom shows back up with a guy named Stan from Vegas claiming to be a cop who knows that the money is stolen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tells a pretty good story about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he proves to be desperate and abusive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just as he gets the upper hand on Walter, Jasmine the lion comes running from her cornfield to save him and then just dies in the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walter's mom takes Stan to the hospital and then comes back later to snag Walter and apparently has suddenly stopped carrying where the money is for the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: After some tearful goodbye, May promises the uncles that she will ditch Sam, but then on the trip out she admits she's still going to marry him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That causes Walter to do a Peter Pan right out of that car right here to escape.
[SPEAKER_01]: She stops the car and catches up to him and he convinces her that if she has to marry Stan, she can at least let him live his best life and walk back to the farm and live with the uncles who actually care about him enough to promise not to do any more dangerous stuff until he's out of college.
[SPEAKER_01]: They keep their promise and wait until he's older to fly an upside-down airplane into the side of their own barn, apparently still wearing their boots or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walter returns to the farm after getting the call we saw at the beginning of the movie, and finds out that they left all of the money to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just when we think we're going to have to fully Walter MIDI ourselves to figure out what was and wasn't true, a helicopter shows up with the grandson of a certain sheik to confirm the uncles were telling the truth and indeed really truly lived.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's his second hand lion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So curious what you guys thought about this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: is it is it really true at the end Aaron I would also debate that we can debate it very sure again that the sudden oil helicopter that shows up with the sheikson and and grandson may not actually be true either considering that Josh Lucas
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... who was a thing back in the early days uh... uh... was a mercim self into comic book uh... writing and drawing and i guess he does all of it or whatever so or or the uncles paid an actor and an actor child rented a helicopter had it painted and said after we die fly this helicopter i just want to point out
[SPEAKER_04]: that much like last week's helicopter, this helicopter is a jumpscare helicopter that should have no where and unlike in real life where you can hear that thing too miles away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in the, yeah, in the distance you should be able to generally hear helicopters.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like a rain of fire where they're like, like, join, they decide to go to the place with all the dragons and they're like, well sneak in, flying or hell I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, I did like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was on a immediate shaky ground with me though at the beginning because first off, they asked Kaley Joel Osmett to emot about every single thing that happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everything is heightened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't like heightened stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: The salesmen come and buy and like they're got the shotguns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, isn't that funny?
[SPEAKER_02]: The crazy old man got shotguns and they they shoot it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The salesmen who come by and I'm like, Harry, are isn't that funny?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Haley Joel Osmond is sitting there like he's they tell him, hey, open your eyes really wide and have your mouth A gate but everything that's going on you're a kid from the city.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know anything about this shit
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, so at the beginning it started, it really wore on me and I was like, I don't know about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does pull through, I think, although I do think it has some very confusing messages as it goes through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: First off, one of the things that it, it's sitting there telling you is like,
[SPEAKER_02]: the stories that Michael Kane is telling him are are beyond fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you really even believe it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they say, well, it doesn't really matter if these are true or not, you just have to believe them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then he also had a mom who lied to him constantly and like,
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were supposed to say that these lies are not okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess because they hurt him in some way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these lies over here, they didn't hurt you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's okay if you lie about that type of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I'm not sure if I like the whole idea of them at the end punctuating it by saying,
[SPEAKER_02]: all that stuff that sounded really weird and fantastical and Michael Cain himself said you don't really believe this stuff to you, it might have actually truly happened, so it wasn't really a big fan of that, but overall it's hard to deny like a really good
[SPEAKER_02]: coming of age, story, you have two master class actors in Duval and Michael Caine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like Haley Joel Osman, okay, you know, he obviously was outgrowing his child actor thing and he's going on to do some really funny stuff as an adult, but like, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, seeing those two guys act off of each other is really fun and really good and I really like that And I do like the stories that Michael Kane is telling and all of this I do like all that the swash buckling and the you know just like everything seems like he's trying to top each Nage last part of the story that he was telling and And so I so I really dig that part of it and I think it adds something to it But it really does feel like a confusing movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got that
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and now let's get to the titular second-hand lion part of this movie where they're like, it's basically just, I don't know what we're supposed to think from this, it's, I guess if you're going to die, die, do something that you like and that's where you love and that's basically, you know, the lion's whole thing is a foreshadowing of what happens with the plane later and
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm missing something about this metaphorical lion that they've thrown into the mix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's more that I should be getting from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it seems like there's a lot of confusing messages and like a lot of things that this movie wants to do and doesn't quite deliver all the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like the other thing about this is that I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Haley Joel Osmett's character has any real motivation in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not anything that we're trying to get for him in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not, yes, his mom has sent him there to find the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's not really, he's not ever in any way trying to find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't care about that money at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like there's nothing he's learning out of this process, really, that I, and so I just thought that was really weird that there's nothing about his character that he's really learning out on the way or how to become a man or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a easy, he really wants to hear that devol speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's really about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's not much for him to hang on to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, there's a lot of things to kind of explore about this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up kind of liking it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that there's a lot of stuff I'm like, I'm not sure they were completely focused on this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I have a lot of thoughts.
[SPEAKER_04]: I ended up liking it, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: My first note was Hailey Joe Lossman is a really good actor as a child or an adult.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, literally filming this movie as he was going through puberty as the IMDB says.
[SPEAKER_04]: They shot it in sequence so that because they knew his voice was slowly getting deeper, I'm not sure what's happening.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's the rough spot for me in this movie for a long, but again, as you said, thankfully we have to fall.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Michael Kane, two of the all-time greats, I think devolves absolutely stole the role of the movie out from under Michael Kane's feet.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel bad for Michael Kane because mostly what he gets to do is tell stories about what devolves character used to do as a young guy devolves
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, has the fights and the bar.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so my biggest issue with this movie, I think, is tone.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it tries too many different things, tonally.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a moment when they go into the cornfield.
[SPEAKER_04]: where everyone goes in a single file with a gun, and then two of the money-grubbing relatives, kids, are sharing a long rifle as they walk into the thing, and it felt like a naked gun moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, movie that did have some fantastical stuff, but didn't go...
[SPEAKER_04]: that while everything with the money-grabbing family feels slapstick to me, and then there are parts where it wants to be, take me seriously, coming of age, drama, and then there are parts where it wants to be fanciful and fun and tell these wild stories.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not sure to use a phrase I coined that I love.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure it really coheses for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: by the end as a solid, you know, cohesive project.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think Duval is near magical in this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: He probably always is fascinated that it was almost Robert Redford and Paul Newman in these roles.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm, I'm stymied by the fact that it was ultimately Haley Joel Osmond who was cast first to try luring the older actors to play to be in this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how big his, his star was at that point.
[SPEAKER_04]: But again, if not for Duval and Kane, I'm not sure this movie would work at all or be anywhere near as fun as it is, but because they're so good and clearly having a fun time, I had a fun time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, why don't you tell me some more of that story about Uncle Hub?
[SPEAKER_04]: And Michael Caine's like, really here, and Haley Jaws was like, well, well, so we got to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's like two or three different moments where in order to get back to that, the movie just has Haley Jaws meant go, hey, remember that story you were telling me?
[SPEAKER_04]: And it doesn't feel supernatural to me when they go into that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also feel like,
[SPEAKER_04]: they go from crusty to like in the kid like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I needed more because they give us that, hey, we don't know shit about kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you need anything, you better fight yourself or learn to live without it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then by like the next day, they're like telling them stories and like being nice to them.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like you said, Chris, I don't, I feel like they do a lot more for Walter than Walter does for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Walter gets some to spend some money.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe you could argue he gets hubbed to talk a little bit about Jasmine in the end and maybe that is a healing moment for Hub.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure, but they do so much more for him than he does for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like
[SPEAKER_04]: more of a balance there perhaps and again that firing the shotguns at the traveling salesman feels a little slapsticky because they're firing at them not like up in the air like go away they're kind of like fight later I think they even hit something that one of them is holding at one point yeah there's got a holding up a piece of paper with some samples of something yeah and I want I want to talk for at least 30 seconds about the worst hiding place for money of all
[SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't going to get to this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, my state.
[SPEAKER_04]: Believe these guys are millionaires to the point that multiple traveling salesmen drive up every single day.
[SPEAKER_04]: And no, has snuck out of that property at three in the morning and looked in the barn.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you mean, I really bugged me too.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess some other points I might have to look better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not for Superman, it's good enough for money.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, uh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do want to stop here.
[SPEAKER_04]: You said something about the messaging.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, that speech, the path that man speech, he gives to Haley Joel about sometimes the things that aren't real or the things most important to believe in.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is fucked up philosophy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like that at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: You like a big foot joke, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: When you were talking about it, that's, I feel like what the movie is saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's really important to believe in big foot.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's really important to believe your uncle was a swashbuckler in Africa.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking of when that speech came up, I was thinking of the speech at the beginning of the Tim Burton, Alice in Wonderland, where the father is telling young Alice about,
[SPEAKER_02]: like you, you're crazy, you're bonkers, you're silly, you're blah, blah, blah, but all the best people are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, fuck you, Tim Burton.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so, uh, do you want me to defend it a little bit now or or later when I talk to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to go through it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you can defend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's important to clarify what the speech actually says, which is not that what the, when things aren't true, they're the most important to believe, when they may or may not be true.
[SPEAKER_01]: they're the most important to believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he immediately gives two examples that fit the the theme of what he means when he says this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first example that he gives is that people are basically good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is something that may or may not be true, but is important for him to believe and really important for him to
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's, but that's, I'm just, I'm just trying to clarify like exactly what he means, you know, when he says that, and I want you to remember this that love true love never dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are things that you can't prove, but are, in my opinion, in his opinion, important to believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not that they are sort of flyably false.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that you just can't prove it either way, and sometimes those are the things that are the most powerful to put your faith in, to believe in.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think true love never dies is probably false.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I guess it's what happens after death.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I guess that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, that's not a complete defense of the movie because I think the movie is really messy with that thing and I think you guys have touched on how messy this movie is all over the place and I think that's important to remember and I too kind of Cringe against that speech That I may have been one of the main reasons I loved this movie 20 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I had that same feeling when he said those things
[SPEAKER_01]: but then as I dig deeper on it and how I would interpret it and mean it if I said it, I can understand you know what he's getting.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fair and and that's the the bad thing about movies especially movies made by committee and and you know studios and what and you know like all what a whole bunch of people have come in
[SPEAKER_02]: And whatever it's like we've got to make this message something exactly like we're conveying you know It's got to be something that people in general believe in and and you know We we want to reinforce that message about love conquerors all right and you know all that type of stuff So a lot of times I think the truth gets sort of lost in it to make to make something feel a little bit more I don't know like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's a real important discussion like when you talk about optimism and pessimism or cynicism or like all these kind of, you know, world views There's a real important discussion to have about where those things meet denial like where those things meet delusionment, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There are optimists who are blind optimists, like where it's about denial and delusionment, that's, you know, no, everything's good just because I have to believe everything's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not looking at any kind of reality, but at the same time, I always walk when somebody's like, I'm not an optimist, I'm a realist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could also say I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, there are ways that how we, you know, see things, changes our ability to see the truth that's right in front of us and understanding like where that balance is and line is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really tricky, but I think really important if you have a world view to go, okay, you know, I need to deal with the reality of the situation and optimism and pessimism are kind of choosing where to focus on the reality, but you know, finding that line can be
[SPEAKER_01]: can be difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do want to point out two scenes that are two things that I really love that made me smile.
[SPEAKER_04]: The the coordinating montage where there's 50 years of corn on the table is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I love the fact that after he kicks the ass of those four bullies, he takes him home and puts steak on their wounds and tries to teach him a life lesson.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, most movies wouldn't go that route.
[SPEAKER_04]: Most movies would just have him beat up the bullies to
[SPEAKER_04]: maybe that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I love that they brought those guys back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do they ever definitively answer if they rob the bank to get that money or are we supposed to make up our own mind?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: it again, it depends like Chris said on how you take that final helicopter, uh, so because if because of the sheek when he lands says, you know, I had a great grandfather that the new these men and he's obviously very rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think words, you know, at least there's an indication there that it's possibly true that they did get that money from the sheek and not from a
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although, but there's also the other thing there and you don't know exactly when all this came into play, but don't the bags say New York something on on like it's like I think they were supposed to believe those are bank bags, but maybe they are bank bags because they
[SPEAKER_02]: they could not have withdrawn this amount of money by the way there's no there's no bank that has this kind of money but um but I thought the bags that were down in that little base that little barn seller thing said New York something I could maybe I maybe I I don't know maybe it didn't say bank on it or whatever I didn't leave read too closely but I thought that was to imply that yeah they did steal money from a bank but then again the nicky cat story
[SPEAKER_02]: at the end that's obviously bullshit that's like completely non you know that that you know that definitely didn't happen yeah i just i assumed they they got their money from the she can like gold and those kind of things and they're just over time who's
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, transitioned into cash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they took it to a New York exchange for some certain they gave them cash.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's a lot of cash.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's like that's breaking bad lying down on the, you know, the brick thing kind of money that they have down there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I do think that ending is so fantastical that it's
[SPEAKER_02]: like they're asking you to do this happen too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that happened like that the ending is so like so happy like the kid gets everything and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it would have been funny though if they had said the kid gets everything and it ends up being the sheaks grandson
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they want to live amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an undefined kid, actually not you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this third generation down from the sheet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me just say everybody out there, if you haven't made out your will.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you do, don't use language like the kid because that is not legally binding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kids days of the picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the things I don't like about
[SPEAKER_01]: the the muddled messaging about, you know, where the money came from, believing things that are true or not true, those kind of things, is that they center the movie on what I don't think is the main theme of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the title and you look at dying with your boots on and you look at the other other conversations that the men have about there's one beautiful one where Duval says, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sometimes men have old bodies, but they still have young heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they still, they see themselves as their 20 old, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I identify with that so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is somebody who just turned 50 or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I still feel like I'm the 23-year-old version of me, like it's the same dude, you know?
[SPEAKER_04]: I would just have in this conversation with my wife the other day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, as far as understanding the world, I feel, let's still feel 22.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's all these beautiful things about this idea of second-hand lines about how as you age, somehow your worth just diminishes because your number goes up and the movie touches on it in so many beautiful ways, but then it kind of centers itself on this other muddled message and then just I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was, yeah, that's what I was trying to
[SPEAKER_02]: figure out with this like here we are we're going to throw a metaphorical line in here that basically represents Duval and Michael Kane in this and it's going to be about what worth you have to society after you've hit a certain age but it really doesn't get a right end up being that movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think just to say overall, watching this again 20 years later, it is much messier than I remember it, it is, it is clear that 20 years ago, my mind was much more on the heart warming elements of it, the beautiful things that they said, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: than watching it more of as I've, you know, been a movie critic for so many years and the things that I've trained my brain to look for.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as good as I remember it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it's like three choices away from being a great movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's like, like, you mentioned Haley Joel Osmett, you cast that as somebody as a good child actor who's like six or seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the movie is completely different, you know, and works really, really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they should have just given Michael Canerese and to have his original accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so distracting to hear him trying to be southern.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe possibly, I think Jeremy slightly touched on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe give him something other than just the guy who tells stories about his brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets to be in one of the stories, but even in that story.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's like, I helped my brother break out of the prison and then I killed all these dudes and then all it turns out, no, my brother all actually killed all dudes and I just stood there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is his care.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think their relationship is the doer in the supporter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that's what it says to be, but yeah, I still don't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I understand that's what his character is, but it's one of those where it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you give him a raise on detra as well, you know, like that type of things?
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the he's sort of the middleman to this whole whole thing, but that's also Michael Kane.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the top build actor on this on this movie, so like give him something a little bit more than just the guy who tells stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main decision that I think could have made this really special is to have a different director.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... this that would have to have somebody who had a little more focus a little more understanding of how to put this together uh... uh... uh... mechanics is how i'm going to pronounce it wrote the iron giant the man knows how to write a script right and i think this was his attempt to be a writer director and i just don't think he's great at being a writer director uh... and more because it was his first directing gig the studio
[SPEAKER_02]: could be could be I think he had done one other movie before this but you look at his directing career and it's did not it's not a lot of movies it's and and it and it were wide spaces between each ones that he did so I don't think that was his bag necessarily was directing or at least at studios didn't think it was his bag either and he stopped doing it but
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll maybe somebody like a loss of a haulstrom or somebody like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who does these type of thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ciderhouse rules, which is Michael Caines in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might have been a better person to tackle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think that just cleans up a lot of the stuff we're talking about, even with, you know, casting and picking a theme and, you know, really crafting the movie to have a consistent tone because you're right, Jeremy, the tone is inconsistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just a lot of messiness that I think the right person behind it all could have could have been done because I think the script is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think there's these ingredients are all there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, before we're done talking about this movie, future gardeners, you do not plant tomatoes, potatoes, corn, and bok choy all at the same time.
[SPEAKER_04]: That will not work out well for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just in case it's all corn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It works out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because then it's all core, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: As you can make some of that wicked mountain dude, squiggly gummy worms drink that Jeremy was talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those chords, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get on to our Super Secret Double Feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: The very, very quiet secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch secret.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gary, little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a thousand for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy, you go ahead.
[SPEAKER_04]: The one that I ultimately had several pop into mind, I've seen some in the chat that popped in my mind, but the one that I settled on, I wanted something that was coming of age that also had fantastical stories that may or may not be completely true.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is the pairing I decided to go with the reason for the pairing and it's Slum Dog Millionaire.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... he's on that show and all of the answers happen just so happen to be related to these insane events that happened in his childhood and his life that led him to this moment uh... and i just think they'd make a nice double feature of uh
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, heart, heart, heartedness, heartwarmingness, uh, there's a word there, and I'm missing it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's the one I chose, uh, hopefully that wasn't the top on your list of thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is not, uh, in fact, uh, even though I had come up with a bunch and, uh, uh, uh, uh, had one ready to go, like our discussion of this made me, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: come up with one during the show so I have a totally brand new one but I'll go over the ones that I thought of and some have been and have had been had popped up in chat.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Princess Bride is one of the the whole old man telling a story telling fantastical story too is grandson type of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Greedy, we've done Greedy before for Mad Mad Mad Mad World, Greedy sounded like a good one because it's, but that's, it's a thing about, every time I would come up with a, with a thing that would double feature with this, I was like, that's just one aspect of this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how, like, every, everything is like just kind of one, you know, it's a one-off thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, yeah, Greedy, because the relatives keep coming over and wanting to, to get the money and all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought of Pearl, which is not really anything that has anything to do with this movie at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just the fact that you have this being out in isolation on a farm and what that might do to you to your development and everything Pearl went a different way than Haley Jones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just want you to guess to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: I also thought of bad times at L Royale because of the burying of the the money and all of that that was another one that kind of the bad times at L Royale so different from this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't end up on that one but.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, with the discussion we had today, I thought of contact, the, the, the, you're talking about a movie in which Jodie Foster, who is a very fact-based science person who does not believe in God, is, you know, is looking for her, like basically looking for her thing that, her stamp in this world, and she's being basically, basically, I, I,
[SPEAKER_02]: stamped out by dudes who believe in God and tell people what they want to hear basically is what it comes down to and she falls in love with Matthew McConaughey who's playing a priest in this and who's always trying to tell her you know what there is a god and I can't prove that there is one I just know that there is one and that's what's important to me and then of course he ends up asking her you know do you love your dad and she goes yeah of course very much and he goes prove it
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, uh, then of course the tables are turned when she actually does go into the, the little device at the end and goes and records all this all this basically what ends up being static when she comes back and everything and she now believes in all this stuff and is trying to tell people what she saw but doesn't have any proof.
[SPEAKER_02]: for it at the end, except for Angela Bassett, Angela Bassett always the best part of any movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, it's not important to me that she was gone for like a split second.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's important to me is that she recorded 15 minutes of static on that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, contact ended up being what I thought would be a great double feature for like I would lead to some really good philosophical conversations after that pairing.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, uh, next week's homework, uh, we have not been doing many horror movies this month.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's by design.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just kind of doing what we normally do and not, uh, you know, not taking a look at October as we must have lots of horror movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the one that I'm going to do for next week is not a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is a very haunting movie, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is called picnic hanging rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is one of Peter Wears' first movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember where this hits in his order.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is about a bunch of girls who go on a picnic, the titular picnic at hanging rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when that picnic is over, a couple of them are missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: and there's a whole sort of drama around all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen this movie in a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time to revisit it, especially for a show like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that you guys will love this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had Jeremy, I think you told me you have not seen this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you haven't either.
[SPEAKER_02]: So good, it'll be an interesting one to go over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be very interested to see how this movie hits you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Weir is probably one of the most underrated directors ever, possibly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a lot of great movies under his belt, and we don't seem to talk about him like we do other big directors.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did Deadpool at Society, he did Truman Show, he did Master in Commander, movie called Fearless with Jeff Bridges he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would have nailed second-hand lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a nailed second hand line.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to so to Jasmine apparently, anyway, the on to that we're going to do a picnic at hanging rock and that's going to do it for this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about sports this just this week too with a couple of like huge fun sports things that happened and just like how I have a lot of people in my life actually over time that aren't sports fans and kind of actually don't like sports and I think some of it has to do with
[SPEAKER_01]: that that oftentimes the people who play sports in high school can be bullies and then so there's this kind of separation from sports that happens but it's but it's always strange to me when somebody who doesn't like movies or storytelling doesn't like sports because sports is such
[SPEAKER_01]: This beautiful narrative thing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just the storylines of the Broncos Giants game.
[SPEAKER_01]: This week, you know, just like they don't score a single point until the fourth quarter, they're down by 18 with five minutes left and they somehow win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's, you know, that's just like narrative storytelling and it has this benefit of just being like true and happening in front of you and like, you know, I don't know, it's just always interesting
[SPEAKER_02]: dudes doing sports stuff in more about just like storytelling like there's just so much good story telling that happens I've talked about this with people in the past why am I a baseball fan and I think baseball in itself most most to this these dramatic narratives and everything but why are you a baseball fan well
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a kid at the time some of the best world series ever were played, or had some of the biggest moments.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the first world series, I had any kind of vague recollection of was 1985, Cardinals Royals, and the drama that happened in game six, that was the first sort of
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... game the whole series goes seven games uh... the nineteen eighty seven series and a member too much about but it went seven games the nineteen eighty eight series had the curtain gipsen home run uh... just years and a row of white amazing postseason baseball stuff and
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the reason why I wrapped up into it, and even though my team that I picked, the braves during that time were terrible during the 80s.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still watched them, and loved them, but they weren't nearly the teams that these other teams were, and then I'd watch the postseason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, these things always are coming up, like as a brace fin, 1996 should have had the World Series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Went up to O on the Yankees, lost the third game in the fourth game, they were up sixth to nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: and lost that game and and I have always carried that series is just like one of the most painful things as a fan I've ever had to endure because I held it close.
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember that level of detail like I mean granted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like when the Oros won the World Series, it was 83.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was only eight, but all I remember is that they won.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't remember which games they won or be in a forward enough in one game and lose.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't remember any of those details.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just remember my team won.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will tell you that 1996 is one of the main reasons why I'm a big non-momentum person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe in momentum, although some could argue that you should believe in momentum based on what happened in 1996, but they were down in the NLCS, that year the Braids were down 3-1 and they came back to win that series to go to the World Series and then won the first two games of the World Series.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then lost game three and then had it in game four and just lost it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like what what did what good did momentum do for that team ended up losing the whole thing even though they had strung up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was six in a row in the postseason at one point and still didn't win it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's the craziest thing or one five in a row and still didn't win it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just imagine that your team won five in a row in the postseason and still lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You, you walk a guy a little dribbler goes through and then the next pitch the guy throws goes into the stands and now you're already now you're down.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, the other the other big one that happened recently that speaks to some another narrative I love in sports is the like a pursuit of excellence narrative and that's watching show Hey hit three home runs and strike out ten batters in the same game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's insane the level of never been done that that is Yeah, I've been having trouble comp well it comprehending like I'm so glad I was watching that
[SPEAKER_04]: because that is the kind of thing that in a hundred years people will still be talking about that performance in that game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's definitely insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem for us is, you know, we have memories of goldfish and we, you know, we
[SPEAKER_02]: didn't live in certain areas, but there were areas where pictures hit all the time, and they were good at hitting a lot of some of these pictures were because that was expected to them on top of their pitching to be able to hit well.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were some performance back in some world series days where pictures like hit homers and pitched a complete game and stuff like that, but
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, at the same time, you know, we have never seen that really like here in this, in this era, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: If it's in the dead ball area, it doesn't count Chris.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my, that's my proclamation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you pick for next week, Chris?
[SPEAKER_02]: Pick Nick at hanging rock.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I remember it's going, oh, I've never heard of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an early Peter, we're moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he was actually shooting stuff in Australia and everything, and I first saw it,
[SPEAKER_02]: ten fifteen years ago maybe somewhere around there was the first time i watched it why do i get recently probably two or three years ago um... but it was it felt like a good one to revisit where in october we've kind of like not been doing horror movies this is not a horror movie but it is a very haunting hmmm movie why do i know pewter weird was that tremendous though it's a sighting and tremendous yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: and master and commander.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, you've got my attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the last castle Chris.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That movie is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The end of that movie goes flat out bonkers.
[SPEAKER_01]: That it caught me off guard a little bit because the rest of the movie is kind of like seriously about something like it feels like it's you know about leadership and you know what it means to lead people and those kind of things in the end's like no we're doing a full-scale war in a prison and it's just it's wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had a weird experience on that because I I was an extra, but I was like not like they're every single day or anything right that and there was a point where I was I was there was a scene where they were they were like okay, so At some point all of you are going to go scatter and I was like I don't even know what the story of this movie is right right this point
[SPEAKER_02]: All of you are going to scatter, and then you're going to go find all the tools and stuff like that that you've buried out in the yard and I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine you're sitting brain just clicking into overdrive like wait prisoners were able to bury like weapons in the yard and not be note like how is that even possible?