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[SPEAKER_03]: Ian, wrap a port, Ian, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's up, man?
[SPEAKER_03]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having me.
[SPEAKER_03]: My pleasure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got to figure a good time to check it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're ready.
[SPEAKER_03]: Week five is here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I do this every year where you know, you get all geared up for week one and then like just so much that goes into like the preparation and the story lines in this year was like is my could going to get traded is trying to get his deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was so many things and then the season starts and you turn around and it's like October and it's like, well, that's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of where we are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it really is crazy and Ian of course NFL Network, the Insiders Tuesday Wednesdays and Fridays at 7 and then of course you can catch them on NFL game day morning at 9 on the NFL network.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, a very busy to I want to get into all that with that schedule.
[SPEAKER_03]: The NFL has become a 365 day a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there may be, you get two or three weeks there in the summer where it's quiet, but other than that, it's going non-stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: How much busier is in season then off season?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because in off season, I would think draft, free agency is got to be kind of crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this season, when you have the games, is actually a little easier.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious, as the senior insider, like how much changes when the season starts here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's interesting because like for a long time my wife and I would like all right, season is like the work time when the season ends then we can finally like relax and it's like that's not reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The season is busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Mondays are insane because of the injuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we get fired quarterback changes Tuesdays my day off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I still work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still take a ton of phone calls because like if someone calls,
[SPEAKER_01]: Or something's going on like I answer it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do the work or I'll pass it along to some of my buddies to kind of work on who work in that day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wednesdays, you kind of gather yourself Thursdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we have Thursdays and I football now on the Amazon Prime video broadcast pre and post website that did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: which makes it busier, which has been great, Fridays are kind of busy, because you're like getting stuff for Sunday, Saturdays are busy and then Sundays are kind of insane, but it's like, I know the schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what's going to happen each day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's news that could pop like today's Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the Browns quarterback change and knew that was common.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was ready for that stuff happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I know the rhythm of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I can, you know, let's say I wanted to,
[SPEAKER_01]: go out on the Tuesday night or on a Friday night like I can do that I can have some fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Off season is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say from like really the playoffs through mid to late March anything can happen at all times and that's really where it gets like bonkers because like you know I would like basically from like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's three weeks, there's like, combined through the end of frequency, I'm like barely a person, because there's just like stuff happening at all times, you have to be on edge always, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious because you said Saturdays in season are crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know you guys do a lot with the, you know, the injuries questionable doubtful who's in who's out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what I would have thought of Saturday might be light, but tell me about a Saturday in this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like usually on Saturdays, I do what a lot of other suburban dads do and moms and whatever is I go to my kids sporting events, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: to who play baseball, I got one who plays, I only two, but one plays baseball, I'm football.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always sports happening, and then like, you know, Saturday night, well, like, to dinner, it would be like a party, it would be something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also have to prepare for Sunday, and so like going into a Sunday pre-game show, like, yes, there's the injuries that the cruise plane who's not, but it's also like
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to go through every storyline like what could happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's out there?
[SPEAKER_01]: How can I add to the how can I add to our broadcast?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have like six or seven news topics for game day morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like Friday and Saturday, you're basically calling everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some coaches who'll be like, hey, my window is 11 o'clock on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: You good?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always good, you know, so like, there's a little, and then I'll write articles for Sunday a lot of those good written Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if you, if you need to know where I am, you can generally find me on like a big cushy, yetty chair with my laptop typing out a story and talking to someone on the phone while watching my son's like double-header.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's basically Saturday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You said that Saturday nights could be like dinner or go to a party.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you're at a party, is it just annoying people constantly asking you for quote unquote, like, inside tips for fantasy football.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would imagine you get a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's a party outside where we live, like I live in Westchester, New York, or we have a small community, if it's outside that, like if it's something in the city, or like a bigger party, that stuff's pretty constant.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's our friends, no one asks me anything ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you play it when it's a big party like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you try to give a little bit of an attitude to make them think they're annoying you or do you have to play it nice and I actually like I don't really mind that much to be totally honest like
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, it's always like a 30 second conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, I got one question and I'm like, come on, bring it on, like let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's gonna be a time when nobody will care, trust me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like, you know, I always am very cognizant of that, that like at some point, I'll be like, no one would be like, hey, who's just started my fantasy to be like, didn't that guy used to do something?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I also like, it is a little bit fun to have a job where like, everyone seems really engaged.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I like my job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like talking about football.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, people always say, like, well, you know, you're not a fan, like you don't have a team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that making less interesting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like it's more interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I do, I think the same exact place.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that I'm not a fan because, I don't know, because I enjoy everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I love gossip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love hearing what's going on behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't need to like, these guys are not like heroes to me, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're supposed to pass that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanna know all the stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I like really enjoy watching football and learning about football and talking about it cause I think it's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, let's say we'll go, like, really outside of Rome, we're going to, like, Kentucky Derby, Saratoga, like horse racing, somewhere you're out in bars, and you're with people you don't, people will come up all the time, and it actually makes like a, kind of a fun atmosphere, because like, guys are come up in chat, and everyone's always so respectful and nice and cool, not maybe not cool, but always respectful and nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, like, the girlfriends or wives are coming up in chat with my wife, like, it's actually like,
[SPEAKER_01]: everyone's kind of interested in its fun, so I don't, you know, it's not really a bad thing at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when you're in that situation, what percentage of the questions are fantasy football related?
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet people that's what I would assume, but I shouldn't assume I let you tell me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of that in season, it's a lot of fantasy football.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get, you know, there's other stuff like
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, they're like, uh, who should I pick with this game?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, like that's not, yeah, I don't really deal with that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just such a slippery slope.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to say the NFL really has you guys well trained with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you really, I mean, you work for the network, so it's not surprising.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anytime I've ever asked like a play, x player or current play, anyone I've gotten to know over the years,
[SPEAKER_03]: Anything related to gambling they shut it down so fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's really Remarkable I mean it's just it's just easier that way you know like and now now I'm a little different because like I've never really gambled and I honestly don't know a ton of that I mean I understand that exists but like yeah, I don't pay attention to the lines like I really don't
[SPEAKER_01]: And so people come up and, and I'm like, first of all, no, second of all, like, I'm definitely not who you should be asking, you know, and like, so in season, it'll be fantasy stuff, out of season, it'll be like, all right, like, what's really going on with this team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's this guy really like?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that, people want to know the gossip, which I guess is what am I with us?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious because you said, you've never, you don't look at the lines, you don't know the lines, you've never been a gambler, but seeing how gambling has, my news were taken over.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not accurate, but infiltrated the sport in a way that as a degenerate gambler, I never thought I'd see what I've seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your take on that from the outside do you think and I despise this phrase, but do you think we're on a slippery slope?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think it was inevitable if this is where it had to go?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think where it is now is fine with pre game shows talking about stuff?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your take on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, it's been interesting to see pre game shows talk about it just because like for so many years it was like
[SPEAKER_01]: we could not even discuss it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so even still I'll see segments, and I'll take, well, that's weird that we're talking about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I'm like, not involved in a, that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like for me, and maybe this is a little bit of because like, all my algorithms are properly trained.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't see a ton of gambling stuff at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'll see like, there'll be like some people I follow, I'll be like, I have this like special booster whatever and I'm like, all right, like, you know, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I close to the Pat McAfee show a couple of times, they'll be like a thing there where they talk about, there's some like gambling stuff there involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, I don't really pay attention to it and I don't really understand it that great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, it's some of the, I just kind of let it go by.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I will also say it definitely seems to have sparked interests or like sort of like churned interest a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like people liking football and wanting to talk about it because it's first of all, I like it, second of all, it helps me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just sort of not my world, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned before, you know, you'll be taking coaches will give you, you know, a time window to talk to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: out of the 32 teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are there any teams?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's stick with, let's do like coaches front office.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are there any, you don't have a good relationship?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who either don't trust you or you don't trust them or they don't give you information or like give me like how many you think you have a great relationship with and how many you don't have a good relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say there's only, I'll start with the bad first.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only a couple that I don't talk to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, honestly, like, she's maybe, maybe two, one or two, like, now, not all of them are like helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some will be like, I'm happy to talk to you, but like, you'll have to have an conversation in my case, this guy going, and I are the big, nope, you know, like, okay, like, so there's always different levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people will be like, help you with contracts, but I don't talk injuries.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or they'll say like, if you have an injury, you know, please run it by me because I want to make sure it gets out the right way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, okay, so like some of it is me learning how do I function with each team in a different role.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some teams, you know, like some PR guys same thing will be okay when you got it, I want to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're gonna see it anyway when I hit send.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, more feedback is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let you see it, then I'll hit send.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some PR guys don't even respond when I'll say, hey, I got this injury, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I bet I got this trade I'm about to say I want to give you heads up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some will ignore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some will say like hang on like we're on the you know It's like there's various different levels, but I would say like Probably half or maybe a little more maybe two thirds of him like regular conversation with There's a couple others where like I can get him if I need him but
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like in regular conversation with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe two or maybe three that I just don't really talk to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that, you know, as the GMs have changed out and as the coach have changed out, you know, like there's, there's almost always on every team someone I can get to when you got to have it, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: And would most of your big scoops, I'm not talking about, you know, it's guy as a hamstring, he'll be out to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know about the bigger scoops.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are those coming from agents more than teams?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not always because like it really just depends on the relationship, not always like, you know, because it's, everyone has a different level of like, okay, I'm comfortable with you going with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, you can sort of go with anything you want at any time, but you might lose the, you might lose the source.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's always a balancing act of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to do the job, making sure you have it, making sure you have it first, but also knowing like all right if I pissed this person off like he's probably given the next one to someone else like there's there's always different reactions, but so for like for free for free agency, how would say honestly it's like almost half and half with teams and agents.
[SPEAKER_01]: because with agents, they'll always have the contract numbers, but sometimes teams will sign a guy in the big, just sign this guy real excited about it and so you'll get it that way, or like, just made a trade, you know, so it's, it's just really who you have a relationship with and kind of who you go to to be like, all right, when this happens, make sure to let me know.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many phones do you have?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I text on my computer and I'll text on my iPad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll have air pods or I'll just put it on speaker if I have to tweet while talking to someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I only have two pockets.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I have my wallet in my front left pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a back pocket kind of guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be like a stanza or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like the only one pocket wallet in the other, that's all the pockets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is the biggest fear running out of battery?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no service is pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I just had one of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, like, I was so, um, like, I'm always, I always bring a charger with me, have like a little block charger essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bring that with me always.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so running out of batteries, use I got a good handle on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I went to the rider cup on Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: and a buddy of mine sort of like comedically, but also helpfully carry like a fanny pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like cool, put my charger in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The service thing drives me more crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was in Mexico with my wife and June.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got a text like, hey, like, like I've been tracking the Jalen Ramsey trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got a text like, all right, like be ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in a car in the way from our hotel to toloom, like there's no service on the way, like, this could be really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been working on it with Tom Pocero, my colleague, and so I was like, all right, here's what we got.
[SPEAKER_01]: You be in contact with the people I'm in, so if I don't get it, you can hit send with both of us on to just to make sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: The service thing freaks me out more, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: like when you hit send and you're watching and it's not going right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where you want to throw the well plus if they send you this school and you're not getting it because you don't have service how are you going to know to tell pelicero.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean there's a lot of layers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell him like hey be in contact with your people and if they say go like you go like I had one where Brian Robinson was about to get traded from the commanders to the 49ers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was and I tried
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried very hard to live a normal life, to go on vacation, to enjoy family, to do those things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was in the end, tuck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my buddy was like, hey, we're going to a great food truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be changed, it's got all sorts of good seafood, but just so you know, service isn't great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right, like, I know this trade's about to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was about to board a plane, I think that was the timing, and I'm like, all right, I got to hit sand, and like, I can see the bars like counting down as we're driving.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, it was just like such a helpless feeling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me pause all the football stuff for one sex since you mentioned you went to the writer cup and I live I grew up five minutes from the writer cup and I live about 15 minutes from the writer cup now So I was not surprised that the crowd was filled with animals was it is bad on the Friday when you were there is everyone's making it out to be because
[SPEAKER_03]: my people are getting beat up and rightfully so because like I said I was not I'll play this right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't follow golf, but I saw what was going on with the quote unquote behavior and nothing surprised me.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was your reaction to all that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would say for the most part it was okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, heckling being part of it, I thought it was very fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I only saw maybe we were there for nine hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing experience, probably, truly amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: People were awesome, like right a cup was great, even though we lost, it was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably saw only one or maybe two it's just, or something was like out of line.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not disappointing about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I actually like,
[SPEAKER_01]: actually yelled at someone at like in the gallery near me for saying something that I was like dude, like what do we do it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, I hate to do that, but it's like don't be lame, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: What was he saying something toward a golfer?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, about like a past relationship and I was like okay like we're not that's don't don't be don't be a dork, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to the heckling so like when I play golf
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll play against like my good friends and I have a couple good friends and I'll play with them like well, we'll have matches whatever and like I am never shy about being like Get in the bunker or like oh miss that when you know it's like it's good to talk trash and like it's okay to root against people that you're playing against so I was really in my comfort zone of like you know you let the guy hit the shot then then you're like you know
[SPEAKER_01]: heckle or like yeah like it was I thought it was fun and as long as it wasn't during a swing like it brought an edge to golf that we never see and like it's time you're not going to see it at the masters but it really was like I had a blast and I don't think all right except for maybe a couple inches I don't think the golfers had a bad time with it either because like they know what they're getting yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: I, to me, the heckling, you can cross the line heckling, but again, it's heckling.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did the throwing of the drinks is where I think, you know, I didn't say that, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was on Saturday supposedly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you eat in the area?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just curious if you know what restaurant you ate at.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you didn't hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so well, they had like unlimited food there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had like breakfast and lunch Spend nine hours and drove home to get not home, but near me to get wings at the end of like a Got it 11 hour golf there, which is really the only way to end it so we didn't go to dinner We were just happy we got in an Uber.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got out of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're happy to get out without waiting like two hours
[SPEAKER_03]: Now when you're there, are you getting, like you're at the right or a cup of you getting texts from coaches, agents, GMs, whatever with, be on the lookout for this or this maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, did you break any stories while you were there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Fridays are different because Fridays are a lot of times are like, who's in, who's out?
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I sent a couple of texts, but like I made a ton of calls on Thursday and I had a ton of calls on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of was like, you know, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: What I love to talk to you is Saturday good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I kind of like space that so I got some calls.
[SPEAKER_01]: But mostly it was, it was okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me get back to sort of an FL topics here, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope and you could maybe shed a little light along.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure there's no news.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it does seem like we're in this holding pattern, where we all expect
[SPEAKER_03]: at some point to get an 18 game season, a lot of fans want that, you know, want that to the Superl's pushback to President's weekend.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's stuff where you got to get the player's association to approve it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think it'll happen?
[SPEAKER_03]: How much longer do we have to wait?
[SPEAKER_03]: Give us a little scoopage on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think it's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the President's weekend thing, you know, Roger Goodell has been pretty,
[SPEAKER_01]: vocal about wanting, you know, basically wanting everyone to have a holiday on Monday and like, you know, we'll usually go skiing the next week that that president's week, so I'll just go from Super Bowl to skate trip, nobody go, be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, more football is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, you know, I'm I'm a superfan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like an NFL superfan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, I don't know if I'm the right person ask or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's never a time when I'm like, Oh, too much football.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I will watch all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like a Wednesday, I'm always like, well, that's weird, there's still game on, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think it'll happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to hear Roger Gidel tell, does it see NBC?
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, I think it was CNBC, that he's, that they might reopen the TV deals next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was going to be my next question.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reopening of the TV deals might be the reopening of the 18 game conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like, they'll have to get the player association to agree, but like, it's going to mean a lot more money for everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So generally, in life, people like money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, I just, I think, you know, my guess is it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might get a international game every week, which I think would be cool, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a lot of fun things.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of fun things out there and some more football.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are a divided country, probably for ever now, but yes, everyone likes money.
[SPEAKER_03]: The one agreement probably that we can have as a nation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you will it do you think when it happens it'll be 18 regular season games with two buys for each team
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to look at it calendar and see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, now first of all, because the game has gotten safer, it really has.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gardening caps and practice have made a huge difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kickoff has made a huge difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually, especially it has been awesome and crazy this year, but still, you know, way healthier than they've been, way safer than they've been.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I don't know that teams need a buy week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a extra buy week, you mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would just depend on whether you want to start in that like whatever like week zero is for college.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's usually like the second or third of fourth, like in that area.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: First week it's not temper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to start a week earlier or not?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that you'd need to, but yeah, I'm not sure about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I, this just came into my head while we were talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just wondering.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if, you mentioned the International Schedule, obviously we're going to get whatever it is, 1617 international games whenever the 18 game season happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, because you mentioned about, this is what triggered me is when you said football on a Wednesday, I wonder if they do the International Schedule, could they do it where the game is on a Tuesday or Wednesday instead of the Sunday morning because they could
[SPEAKER_03]: because the team has to do that travel.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can always have a buy, I guess if they would have, well, no, they'd have to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you could have a buy the week before and then send the team to wherever London you probably have a buy after.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to be able to do a Tuesday, you're not going to be able to do it on a Tuesday, it means like you can do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, teams go, you know, teams go Sunday to Thursday.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does seem, and I don't want to speak for the league, but it does seem like officials like that 930 window.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, as someone who likes football, like, also like the 930 window, because I get to watch a game.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, I mean, an NFL game on a Tuesday or Wednesday, well, no, with time difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to get a game on a Tuesday or Wednesday at night, but it wouldn't work with the essentials.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the time difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless it would work somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to try to play into the sports media world a little bit if, you know, you don't have to take on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm just curious, he, you know, Roger Gdell did say in that interview about possibly opening up the TV deals.
[SPEAKER_03]: I firmly believe we're going to get to a point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I don't know if CBS and Fox would be eliminated, but I think we're going to get to a
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, do you think that, could you see that happening or do you think the league would always stick with CBS and Fox?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, streaming service does have a major package obviously Thursday night and it's been awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know enough to answer that question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the league has always been very forward thinking as far as like,
[SPEAKER_01]: finding the audience, which I think is, you know, YouTube had a game like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would rule out nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know enough to answer it, but I would also say like it's possible that
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they could theoretically sell the international package to some, you know, there's different things you can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I am not an expert, so I will stand it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does seem like, and it's not just the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's every sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like parsing everything into as many different packages as possible to make all that money is the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I could, you know, there's a lot of avenues for them to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of all this stuff, there's obviously this big deal with ESPN buying the NFL network, which has to have, yeah, I'm sure you did.
[SPEAKER_03]: With a government still has to sort of approve it.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it like for you right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'll use the word.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it feels that way, but are you in limbo and you're not in limbo, are you waiting for it to happen?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you, do you think about, I'm gonna be working for you as a Pianne, where, as an NFL network employee, how is that whole thing going?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been interesting because like we've known for years that
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the league was, you know, either looking to take on a partner, which is sort of what I thought it was going, and then it was sale, essentially, to ESPN and Disney.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, we've been in this place for four years, and
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that my job has changed very much so like, you know, it's always like you're here a player big well You know, just focus on what I can control.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to do my job and then like the reality is mentally like that's the only way to do it because it's right It's hard to think of all the what ifs Right So like I've Like with all the stuff like I was when that came out like the release came out from the NFL and from ESPN I was kind of like are good
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second of all, because I think it'll be good, really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second of all, like, the uncertainty a little bit was not over, because it's still but like coming to an end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the outcome hopefully will help everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN has done an awesome job in all of the sports things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so hopefully it'll be good for all of us who work at NFL Network.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so hyper-focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so many different little work things and big work things that, honestly, I only really think of it either when my wife will ask or a friend will ask or when I'll do one of these, I don't, you know, I like my job and I like doing my job, so I hope that I get to do it in some form of fashion because it's really fun and awesome and enjoyable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just hope it's a really good thing, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's what maybe a lot of sports fans
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, don't pay attention to sports media, not because they don't have to, they're just they don't watch games, but you know, a release comes out that ESPN's going to buy in a film network.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think so many people don't understand that like, that still hasn't happened, like there's still a whole process that hasn't happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I know just from being in sports illustrated, you know, there's times you're in limbo and you think things will be good, you think things things might not be good, you don't know, but I think a lot of people think like, oh, they've already purchased the NFL network and it's like, there's a long way to go, which could make, which could be good and bad in the, in the work world really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, from all, from everything that's been said publicly, NFL never just still going to be around, still going to exist, still going to have plenty of shows and
[SPEAKER_01]: shows a really good, I don't know, a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not whether good, but I'm also happy to be on a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so at, you know, I don't know that this is a bad thing and I think it has the potential to be a really good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a relationship with Shepter?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are very professional and friendly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when we, you know, we don't text every day, because like, when that
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we are, when we see each other or when we see each other, and hold on to me, it sounds that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a general manager calling, and I'm going to call him back as we're on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we see each other, it's always like professional and cordial.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only a couple people who do this, so there's always things to discuss.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, it's like, if one of us gets a story,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not personal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we all a lot of times honestly talk to the same people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're fine, like, you know, I've definitely communicated over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, definitely very professional and cordial.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I mean, I guess for someone like me, I mean, I would think, if he has PN played it right, they, I don't know if making you call, I mean, you will be colleagues, but,
[SPEAKER_03]: If, listen, there's no way to sugar coat it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just the reality.
[SPEAKER_03]: The reality is, you guys are the top two guys in the sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just the way it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now they're gonna have the top two guys in the sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be a win for ESPN.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just hope, you know, you guys can,
[SPEAKER_03]: team up and get every scoop basically for ESPN.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, I work as part of a team now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My teammates are awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can Tom.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I look, I like my job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If that was the case, I honestly, that would be fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I,
[SPEAKER_01]: I like doing this, and I hope I can just keep getting to do it, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: You said earlier, you're in Westchester.
[SPEAKER_03]: How come we never see you on good morning football?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like in the studio?
[SPEAKER_03]: We see you on the show, obviously.
[SPEAKER_03]: But how come we never see you sitting next to Kyle?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, now I hope I'm not getting you in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that's on.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, there's no bad questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually at the jump on a meeting for our, for the insiders tonight, which starts at three o'clock, which is now three o'clock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, my carer fellow will do that on Wednesdays and Thursdays, but also like when I'm in transit and doing things, it takes away from like work stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like news breaks and I'm in the car in the way home, I can't jump on TV.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas like news breaks here, like get dressed you're on in 80 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can I can go from this to full make up in a suit in 80 seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like the least I can have to be in transit the better.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last thing, and before you go to your meeting, if I knew we had to go, I would have set it up in a much more fun way, but months later, can you give us the full story of what happened with Jordan Schultz?
[SPEAKER_03]: Give us the you said before you want to know information.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know information because I do have I mean this guy Pulling you in a Starbucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean give me a break give me the full story.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean I want a bit to out there Like that was just the crazy thing is like I was sort of.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm you know I was actually having dinner with an agent the night of and he's like what are you gonna do and I'm like You know I was like I'm not gonna publicize it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully nobody knows even though there's like 30 reporters around there and
[SPEAKER_01]: Florio calls me and he's got the whole story including what was said to me which was like literally I'm standing there talking to an agent I mean it's literally like it was said like he comes up and he says you know like I heard what you've been saying about me as we have a problem and I'm like I don't have no idea what you're talking about and he was like you've been saying that I've been paying players with Uber stock and I'm like like
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard a lot of things, a lot of things, I was like, but I've never heard that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, well, that was a new one for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe it's, I don't know if it's true or not, but I just hadn't heard it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he comes up to me in his base.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if this continues, we're gonna have a problem and starts screaming and cursing and I'm literally like, hold it in my coffee stand and they're like, what on earth is happening right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and because it was so weird, like nobody yells at people like that's just bizarre, um, right, and so I like, and then he, like, screams at me a little bit like one inch from my face, which is weird anyway, and then he kind of like leaves and I leave, I call my boss and I'm like, uh, so this just happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: One is a let you know, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: because I got to tell you is that to work situation, you got to report like, you know, threatens you right to your face, I'm like, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then, I was like, I'm leaving.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I walked back to my hotel, I actually walked back to do some TV and that was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: How it went?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did Florio call you knowing all the information.
[SPEAKER_01]: five hours later, but to be fair, every reporter was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, my careful, my buddy, like, there was a picture of that incident.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, man, how did anyone get it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, garafel took the picture and sent it to literally everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not doing any malicious like he's one of my.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, like yeah, look what the hell happened in store.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, I'm like, yeah, gee, Mike, I wonder how the picture got out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like he sent it to everyone because it was all It was funny and ridiculous and like we reporters are gossips and so like I would have done the same except it was right, but that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you guys stand now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who?
[SPEAKER_03]: You and Jordan Schultz.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't stand anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have no relationship with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been the same place I was like doing what I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I appreciate you coming on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to keep you late for your meeting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to be mad at me, but I'm going to blame you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Blame me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take the, it'll have five minutes late.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the only time it's rude to be late.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell them you're talking to Jerry Jones.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell them that you're a fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take care.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, joining me now is he does every week for our train of thoughts segment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Could to see he's still alive after the meds collapse from WFAN or radio in New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and why TV in New York, the home of the meds.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's got a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: My buddy, Salacada.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the, I just, I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last time I saw you was Saturday morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, at more eeds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you asked me how I felt that they were going to blow it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not, I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are making any less painful, but I'm not surprised with the meds blowing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is, is the worst part about blowing it that you've got to see your team get beat up and mocked for like 48 straight hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought, first of all, it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we live in a world now with social media.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so toxic and negative.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can rip in my mind the meds for a million things.
[SPEAKER_02]: One soda is not one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, predominantly,
[SPEAKER_02]: what I saw was, oh, how so don't know, and so don't socks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks great.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are happy without them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that is just childish, immature, expected, trash talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I disagree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know if I disagree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't think they're like, you can't rip him personally.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a great season.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you can rip the team for giving him that contract.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the contract, well, why would you, why would you criticize the team for it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because once you have a player with that contract, the target on your back is so big, and that's half the reason why everyone was so gleeful with them missing the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think it was that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could say that the highest payroll, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's a fair thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about specific from Yankee fans, who are that different?
[SPEAKER_03]: If someone gets a $765 million contract, they automatically become a villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just understood.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's different than what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look, the highest pay, well, like it is embarrassing when you look at a team like the reds, you look at a team like the guardians, I mean, look at that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that is embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the most close season they want to division.
[SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't name your half the guys on that line.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: thing that the opposition will always have in their back pocket is look at the guardians in the reds or garbage you gave one sort of $765 million you couldn't make the playoffs like that's just right you need that for a long year though my my counter would be he's the not the problem it's everybody out well like you 300 million or 30 million year on a one so whatever never is getting his big contract pitching socks like his you
[SPEAKER_03]: His play and his performance is not the problem, but you can make the argument that the contract is a problem, because it's just, he can never live up to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ever?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as each year goes by that they don't win a world series, all you're going to hear more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say it's year three from now, and the Mets have won a world series.
[SPEAKER_03]: All you're going to hear is all about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They gave them all that money.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's until you win a world series or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're going to hear about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they have won a world series in 40 years and I'd rather have a super like they don't have they haven't had a star of his magnitude Ever strawberry was great out to the whole femur this guy in is in the prime of his career He's gonna be the greatest method ever live now you're right Ultimately people gonna judge him on whether a winter world series or not, which I don't think is fair to him, but it is what it is I will I'll spend a billion on him and get rid of everybody else, but that's just
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's not the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the organization.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: When the Yankees didn't sign, and I was fine, I don't want a guy with that contract on my team.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just asked him for trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it wasn't his fault.
[SPEAKER_03]: If the guy puts up 40 home runs and 120 RBI, he's not the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just what I've done.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it, and the Yankees are in a similar boat because the Yankees have an absurd payroll, and there's a chance they'll get knocked down in the first, I mean, this is the problem with taping this on Wednesday, because I don't want to go crazy about Kashmir and what happened in game one, because they could easily win tonight, and then Thursday they win, and then, you know, but,
[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing I'll say is because this doesn't have anything to do with whether they want to lose.
[SPEAKER_03]: The amount of Yankee fans, I don't even know if it's just Yankee fans, but I'll focus on them because they're animals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who, who think Aaron Bowen manages this team isn't safe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron Boone pulls Max Fried because he'll get in trouble if he doesn't they have everything mapped out before the game every single thing is mapped out before the game this is the relief you're going to go to this is the pitch I mean these people these idiots think Aaron Boone is the one who benched jazz chism and Ben Rice do you know a stupid you ought to believe that
[SPEAKER_02]: You're you're not gonna like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about the lineup.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would tend to go to the lineup especially is done by the entire front office
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that the in-game decisions specific to yesterday were managerial decisions.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that from 100 before the game you don't have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't think before the game they have all the kind of the data going now and he hits this many pictures he's got to go well here's the thing if it's if that's a managerial decision he should be fired today then he shouldn't have a job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a different story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying that, and I'm not disagreeing that it's, there's a lot of stuff that's predetermined and that I would bet that the analytics department heavily influenced by the lineup, I'm just saying that the decision to pull freed specifically was bones decision and I'm sure it was based on
[SPEAKER_02]: his feel, the numbers, the analytics, the matchups, we were virtual, like, there's a lot that goes into it, but this was not a, I don't need to turn it or the analytical people calling him telling him to take me out.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, I don't think the analytic people call him in the dugout and to take him out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's so afraid was that 102 pitches and shit is pants because if he left him in, Cashman in the front office would have a fit
[SPEAKER_03]: and rip them a new asshole because that's their then and you can and I firmly believe before the game they said well a freed gets into the seventh the first guy you go to is weaver and hear the numbers of weaver against this person and he is like they'd map it all out before the game and I'll go back to I've said this a billion times when they fired Joe Girardi whose nickname was binder Joe.
[SPEAKER_03]: The quote from Cashman is, we want to go even more into the analytics.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's all you have to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if I am wrong, and Aaron Boone's making those decisions, he has no business having a job because then he's one of the worst managers I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the freeed specifically, well, there's a size to be something wrong with you to take him out of that game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to me, he made a poor like to meet that comes down to would you rather trust your guy who may be tiring your best pitcher who's tiring or go to a reliever who hasn't been good this year against the bottom of the order that shows in my opinion poorly, forget the results.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have, I would have, my philosophy is a starter should get knocked out, not taken out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's not the Yankee philosophy.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Yankee philosophy is the data says, third time through the lineup, this guy over 100 pitches, that
[SPEAKER_03]: There's, he is not allowed to use feel or as eyeballs.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you use feel in your eyeballs, no one takes him out of that game.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then not allowed to use feel in eyeballs.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have to use the data, the printouts, give me the printouts from the MacBook.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all they're allowed to use.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's no, because for some reason there's this thing in baseball, it's not just the Yankees, but especially, where they see a hundred pitches and oh my God, the world's gonna burn down.
[SPEAKER_03]: A hundred pitches is like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Fried was at odds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's right out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, you got to get him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to be fair, he wasn't dominating in the fifth or sixth inning.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave a no-roll like, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I would have kept him in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the reasons were, there were legitimate reasons to why you could see that he might have felt who had based on what he was seeing why he felt maybe free.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you a question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the red socks were happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It took Fried out and put weaver in.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100% and that's why I think it's wrong and they don't go for field.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't go for eyeballs.
[SPEAKER_03]: They go by the pronounce from the MacBook.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was rooting for the red socks from my perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't wait to get free down there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's always a good one to judge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I rest in my case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, also, also for the more I'd rather not see Ben, like they did a favor to the red songs by not having Ben Rice in that game.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can throw a jazz in here if you want whatever, but like, give me the match.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we want Ben Rice in their second best in my opinion, the second best off in to player.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's glued to the bench in game.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it has worked up about the lineup, which I didn't like, because I know that Brian Cashman and the Dweeps in the front office before the game had all the printouts, and they made the lineup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas in Boonkick and told that, the freed thing was where you needed the manager to use feel and his eyeballs, but he's not allowed because they'll get in trouble because they'll go to the numbers, you know, oh, he's over six and he's in the third in the third time around the order and it's a hundred pitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's this and give me a freaking break.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only other thing I would say about the baseball playoffs, I said this on Twitter and
[SPEAKER_03]: It kills me that ESPN has Joe Buckingham.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't do any of these games because he is the best baseball answer, but he just doesn't want to do them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's nothing you can do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's told me and he's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, wouldn't be fair that he doesn't do game all season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he swoops in.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got to learn all these teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he does have the Monday night game, but, you know, the way ESPN does it, which I like the way they do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have the four games, you know, Wednesday, Tuesday, Wednesday and maybe Thursday.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll see.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have them there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, God, it's just, it's a shame.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would add so much excitement.
[SPEAKER_03]: But who, who is doing it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean, I see a nice one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sean McDonough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kevin Brown, who is the Orioles play by play guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ravich is what he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did the Cubs and the Pilgrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and you have ravaged doing the Yankees Red Sox and then you have that book Shambi doing the Dodgers and the Reds and who's the who's the one who did the And McDonald does the Guardian's and Tigers, who got a love ravaged whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that team.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the other one you said?
[SPEAKER_03]: Kevin Brown is the Orioles with the who's the analyst with Kevin Brown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, it was Frazier with McDonald.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I think it was Ben McDonald and maybe Jessica Mendoza.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can shop his doing it with the Glennville.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, obviously, that's not just a common and Perez.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty solid, you know, that's a pretty solid crew for form.
[SPEAKER_02]: It made it's not your book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Shombies, well, McDonald is the best out of the foreign Shombies very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: love those two, but this is the same thing we talked about last year like baseball has a problem because it's such a regional sport that when you get to the national level of the postseason, nobody really knows these teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know what they're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it'd be beneficial to have let's say a McDonald or a booge with an analyst specific to each team.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way that I would try to get.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's not a bad idea at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think a lot of these guys use their analysts, though, like on their local network for like pre and post and studio, but yeah, I mean, I think that idea makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, keep in mind now, this is it for ESPN next year to lobby NBC and peacock for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that means no more Google.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, unless NBC hires.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So ESPN's totally out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's for the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll have a weekday game.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll have a game on like Tuesday, Wednesday, night, stirring their season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And is that going to be like the ravage cone?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've ordered a present maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one knows that yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: But but in terms of the wild card round, this is it for ESPN.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be NBC slash peacock next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now Fox takes over from here on out or Fox and TBS.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: TBS National League Fox American or that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know which they switch it off, so I don't know who who hasn't this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing with the baseball is I really think that I wrote a column on this this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really think the regular season instead of ending Sunday at three o'clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: against the NFL, they should play the games.
[SPEAKER_03]: The last day of the regular season should be Monday, four o'clock Eastern, leading into Monday night football.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the game should be on every network they're in business with, for instance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Sunday, the games aren't on, and everyone's watching football anyway on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you could have had, like, let's take this season the way this season played out, and we'll do it next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could put the Met's Ballons game on that final regular season game on NBC.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Reds you could put on Reds Brewers you could put on ESPN.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Yankees Orioles game could have been on Peacock.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Blue J game could have been on ESPN too.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Tiger game could be on MLB network.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you could put the Guardian game on Peacock.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have enough where they should all be televised.
[SPEAKER_03]: It should all be on that Monday and leading into Monday and night football.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're not competing with football.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the argument some people are going to have is what about people at work?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's easier today in 2025 to compete with someone's job than the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you can watch anything on your phone, on your computer, street, you could stream anywhere on any device.
[SPEAKER_03]: So people at work can, Finegal, how to watch the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, one thing I will agree with you on on equivocally can't be on a Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's getting buried on football And like I was into the baseball, but I had to watch the football first So I got to the baseball like I watched Jackson dart in the Giants, but after that then I started and that's me a Diheart met fan like I had a little eye on it couldn't walk in Well, you got lucky because the Giants were at one if the Giants would have played it for you would have really it would have been a rock right
[SPEAKER_02]: it would have been a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we agree there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't be on a Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I would counter and say, why not on a Friday have the season end and even as far as saying Friday night,
[SPEAKER_02]: where you have all those games, then you give them the weekend to reset.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you can start well.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only reason I say the Monday is I like it as a lead into the NFL, because I feel like even though it was a shitty double header, you had a double header yet the two games, so I kind of like it leading into the Monday night football, but I had no problems at all on a Friday night, making it the last game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I don't like Friday afternoon and but if you did it at Friday night all the same time and I don't know if they used to do you guys I feel like that might have been the case But but point is you stay away from the football right you have a separate night where it's all yours right could maximize the game's however you want with the networks You have the weekend to take off that's fine reset and then you could sort the wild card series either that Monday or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, your idea actually might be better because you could end the regular season on the Friday take off Saturday Sunday And then on that Monday, you could have the games at one four seven and nine like they did and you're only going against one game really going against the Monday night football at night.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what on the half games.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that way might even be looking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have one series start Monday and then the others start, you know, one pair of series start Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are ways to do it, but I'm with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way they're not do it is to have the chaos going on on the final day again.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, they have to change that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just, they have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, speaking of the NFL, I was a bad job by me last week, not getting into how it was a there was a 930 game and then you had the Monday night double header and I know you don't like all that how did you how we're how did you handle everything?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, we talked about this Saturday of Marines.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came back early Sunday morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was home in plenty of time from Long Island to get back to watch the, you know, the London game of Vikings and the Steelers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I'm not like locked in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the month and I was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched the jet game primarily for work.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of that game was like that was actual work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not getting paid enough to watch the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how like they shocked so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't you can't watch a team when they don't have a quarterback.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's impossible like I can't complete the three yard pass.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an impossible team to watch because the quarterback shouldn't be in the league What what has asked you to bet on him?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it was more of an anti-dolphin's I got him and I thought
[SPEAKER_03]: You sent me that text, was it Monday morning?
[SPEAKER_03]: Say Monday afternoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Say a prayer for me, I've got the jets.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I mean, I thought,
[SPEAKER_03]: My thing, it was more anti-dolphins.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they were, the dolphins like they should be buffalo that, not should have been.
[SPEAKER_03]: They held their own with buffalo.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought they'd have a little bit of a let down.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I was expecting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And believe me, I know you just hear this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was not impressed with the dolphins in any way shape or form on Monday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no it was the game was dreadfully, but here's why I think that I'm okay with it now because we've got such a great setup like YouTube TV
[SPEAKER_02]: It is easy to have the split screen right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I managed it perfectly seven o'clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I focused on the jets and then, you know, half time focus on the other, but all a while when they're both going together and by the way, that game wasn't great either of the bangles.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're on watchable without your borrow it's just on right, but you have both up at once with the YouTube TV split screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you had the Broncos minus seven and a half to chase the loss.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, all right, let me let me end it with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me end it with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let me end it with this bed bunny for the Super Bowl.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any thoughts?
[SPEAKER_02]: I first of all, I had no idea what the public is saying about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like bed, Bonnie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like, I don't own any of his music, but I listen to some of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever it is, I have people going nuts about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the real?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a lot of political reaction to it, which I'm not going to get into.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't know one bit, Bonnie.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've heard of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know who he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's immensely popular.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know one song.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I gave up on the half-time show a long ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not, you know, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, that's, that's my point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, my extent of knowing bad Bonnie is my daughter, lobes, or you still need to come and face it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Simpsons episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: that features bad Bonnie in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a catchy song and for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how she stumbled across it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'd replay it over and over and she asks for bad Bonnie.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's really old.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we send WWE.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, yeah, I just don't know any of the songs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what we is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'm not, I can't get work.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, there's just no way I can get worked up about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who gives a shit like football fans and they care about you know, you know, my wife is an old bad Bonnie's performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, maybe you watch the half time feel like who gives a shit We don't care about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Tom.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take it easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right
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