WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:10.719 [SPEAKER_01]: This episode of True's Table is brought to you by our NAACP Image Award-nominated book, True's Table, Black Women's Musings on Life, Love, and Liberation. 00:11.140 --> 00:12.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Get it where all books are sold. 00:14.222 --> 00:15.403 [SPEAKER_04]: Sisters, how y'all feel? 00:16.150 --> 00:17.491 [SPEAKER_04]: Brothers, y'all all right? 00:17.872 --> 00:21.115 [SPEAKER_04]: If this is your first time at Truth's Table, welcome to the table. 00:21.315 --> 00:23.837 [SPEAKER_04]: And you've been sitting at the table with us all these years. 00:24.117 --> 00:33.787 [SPEAKER_04]: We are so grateful that you have been listening to us through these years and we are inviting you to partner with us and support our work at patreon.com slash Truth's Table. 00:34.087 --> 00:37.010 [SPEAKER_04]: Now pull up a chair and have a seat at the table with us. 00:37.670 --> 00:38.971 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey y'all, welcome to True Sable. 00:38.991 --> 00:40.532 [SPEAKER_05]: Midwives of Culture for Grace and Truth. 00:40.632 --> 00:42.033 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a community and I'm Christina. 00:42.433 --> 00:44.854 [SPEAKER_05]: This table is built by Black woman and for a black woman. 00:44.874 --> 00:45.775 [SPEAKER_05]: So welcome to the table. 00:45.815 --> 00:46.976 [SPEAKER_05]: See how you're doing, girl. 00:47.636 --> 00:48.677 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing pretty good. 00:49.417 --> 00:55.201 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think I'm trying to ask myself that question sincerely. 00:55.381 --> 00:56.081 [SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing? 00:56.962 --> 00:57.202 [SPEAKER_03]: Good. 00:57.742 --> 00:59.563 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited about what we're going to talk about. 00:59.603 --> 01:00.444 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello. 01:00.624 --> 01:03.226 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, so the topic on a table y'all is, 01:04.503 --> 01:08.026 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's, uh, the top, the title is flew it, okay. 01:08.046 --> 01:24.641 [SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, that's, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh 01:28.216 --> 01:32.222 [SPEAKER_05]: Or is this still alive, but just looking a little different? 01:32.242 --> 01:34.325 [SPEAKER_03]: From a rhythm in blues, is that what you're referring to? 01:34.345 --> 01:38.310 [SPEAKER_05]: And rhythm in blues, the conversation has changed quite a bit. 01:38.330 --> 01:43.417 [SPEAKER_05]: There's always been that, you know, I think this often comes out even hip-hop is hip-hop down, you know, I'm saying yes. 01:43.877 --> 01:50.140 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, you know, but our name is a dad and, you know, and there were definitely, it is dead. 01:50.160 --> 01:50.901 [SPEAKER_05]: There's nothing out there. 01:50.961 --> 01:51.681 [SPEAKER_05]: The groups are there. 01:51.741 --> 01:53.422 [SPEAKER_05]: The groups are grouping the way they used to. 01:53.482 --> 01:58.645 [SPEAKER_05]: And groups are, you know, all these things, but then there's kind, no, this is a little bit of research. 01:58.665 --> 02:02.527 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's the, how much does this have to do with, like, what generation you're now in? 02:02.567 --> 02:11.191 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly, you know, was that every generation thinks that as they get older, they think that the music coming after them is not so. 02:11.251 --> 02:12.012 [SPEAKER_03]: It's counterfeit. 02:12.632 --> 02:13.573 [SPEAKER_05]: But, what do we do? 02:13.593 --> 02:15.514 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so let's think about this way. 02:15.854 --> 02:21.499 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about our own, I guess what R&B has meant to us in our own lives. 02:21.619 --> 02:25.541 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, our own consumption of it? 02:25.862 --> 02:26.142 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure. 02:26.182 --> 02:40.072 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, from childhood on, it whatnot, because I don't, I do think it's true that every generation kind of subsequent business, y'all don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 02:40.272 --> 02:50.907 [SPEAKER_05]: But if I think back to my parents' generation, they could actually appreciate though the people that the artists that came up in Gen X like Erica about do. 02:51.428 --> 02:53.150 [SPEAKER_05]: They could appreciate a Jill Scott. 02:53.330 --> 02:57.035 [SPEAKER_05]: I knew when my dad liked the songs when he goes, who was this? 02:57.896 --> 02:58.357 [SPEAKER_05]: Right. 02:58.377 --> 03:00.278 [SPEAKER_05]: That's how I knew my dad liked the song. 03:00.298 --> 03:06.764 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, oh, it's a hem like that impeccable impeccable music music music takes. 03:06.784 --> 03:09.046 [SPEAKER_05]: They're, you know, so You know, that's it. 03:09.066 --> 03:12.229 [SPEAKER_05]: So I feel like they could appreciate some of the things that were coming up I do it. 03:12.289 --> 03:13.730 [SPEAKER_05]: I think there might be a marked shift too. 03:13.770 --> 03:15.071 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's get into it. 03:15.171 --> 03:21.457 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're dad I know is he He's a music Connistore. 03:21.517 --> 03:22.958 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I remember visiting your parents 03:23.178 --> 03:24.558 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and he was showing me his knife. 03:25.058 --> 03:26.939 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, all the music is cataloging. 03:26.959 --> 03:28.339 [SPEAKER_05]: We're having a conversation with Jemal. 03:28.359 --> 03:28.759 [SPEAKER_02]: He hits. 03:28.979 --> 03:31.080 [SPEAKER_05]: Are your dad insist on playing the job? 03:31.140 --> 03:31.680 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 03:31.800 --> 03:32.880 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're trying his life. 03:32.920 --> 03:34.721 [SPEAKER_05]: We're having a conversation. 03:35.141 --> 03:36.881 [SPEAKER_05]: He was a ton. 03:37.681 --> 03:39.822 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, and you're going to hear this music in the background. 03:39.862 --> 03:44.523 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to hear this music with my amazing sound system. 03:45.303 --> 03:47.304 [SPEAKER_05]: So let the sounds surround you. 03:53.745 --> 03:54.265 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 03:54.285 --> 03:54.886 [SPEAKER_05]: This was amazing. 03:54.906 --> 03:56.326 [SPEAKER_03]: That was really exciting. 03:56.406 --> 03:57.267 [SPEAKER_05]: It's okay. 03:57.287 --> 03:57.907 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bigger bird. 03:57.927 --> 03:58.847 [SPEAKER_03]: Big description of it. 03:58.887 --> 04:01.288 [SPEAKER_05]: That was my little sampling of your... Oh. 04:01.488 --> 04:02.769 [SPEAKER_05]: Your dad and music band. 04:02.849 --> 04:03.689 [SPEAKER_05]: How was it for you? 04:04.170 --> 04:04.570 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no. 04:05.130 --> 04:05.690 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah. 04:05.890 --> 04:06.491 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 04:06.511 --> 04:10.932 [SPEAKER_03]: My dad is... It's a very committed to the funky legs. 04:11.232 --> 04:12.013 [SPEAKER_03]: Love's music. 04:13.453 --> 04:16.795 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, a lot of my happiest moments as a child have music. 04:17.475 --> 04:22.499 [SPEAKER_03]: within it, like in fear, like our road trips and music in them. 04:22.979 --> 04:33.287 [SPEAKER_03]: And his top two picks for road trips were usually James Brown and the temptations were his top two picks for road trips. 04:33.567 --> 04:35.508 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, they were all kinds of things he played as well. 04:35.549 --> 04:39.952 [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel well acquainted with James Brown. 04:39.992 --> 04:41.353 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, catalog. 04:41.613 --> 04:47.717 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so funny, I think maybe about a year or so, go, I came in when it was, he picked me up from the airport. 04:47.757 --> 04:50.760 [SPEAKER_03]: I flew into Baltimore to visit. 04:51.020 --> 04:52.721 [SPEAKER_03]: I was there for work or whatever something out in my parents. 04:54.142 --> 04:57.745 [SPEAKER_03]: And when I got in the car, he was playing ball of confusion. 04:58.645 --> 05:01.969 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's a jam and I was like deep caught right there. 05:01.989 --> 05:02.369 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no. 05:02.570 --> 05:05.052 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, and it is that's what it is today. 05:05.453 --> 05:06.734 [SPEAKER_03]: It is confusion out here. 05:06.754 --> 05:16.365 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, that yeah, and I would say he so we would you go he has like a there's a large art piece that is a charcoal sketch. 05:17.486 --> 05:23.232 [SPEAKER_03]: um of of John Coltrane and Miles Davis are down. 05:23.612 --> 05:23.933 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 05:24.033 --> 05:24.253 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 05:24.273 --> 05:25.254 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 05:25.294 --> 05:25.934 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:25.994 --> 05:26.735 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:26.755 --> 05:27.976 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:27.996 --> 05:31.600 [SPEAKER_03]: And he, there is a, I can't think of the name of the group. 05:31.640 --> 05:32.341 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry to it. 05:32.501 --> 05:38.867 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but there is a wall size piece of artwork that is a painted. 05:39.847 --> 05:42.948 [SPEAKER_03]: uh, interpretation of the cover of an album that he loved. 05:43.028 --> 05:45.808 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that was, I don't I'm drawn a blank on. 05:45.868 --> 05:51.169 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a more of a niche group, but it was someone in the, like, the vibe of the 70s era. 05:51.249 --> 05:51.790 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:51.810 --> 05:52.310 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 05:52.570 --> 05:54.210 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's literally it's wall art. 05:54.230 --> 05:57.931 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the size of that part, the wall that he has placed. 05:57.951 --> 06:01.332 [SPEAKER_03]: It has moved with us through my childhood because he had it when I was very small. 06:01.352 --> 06:02.532 [SPEAKER_03]: They still had his piece of art. 06:02.552 --> 06:02.952 [SPEAKER_03]: I know it's like, 06:03.525 --> 06:04.726 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, is that a dragon? 06:04.746 --> 06:05.326 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know. 06:05.346 --> 06:06.026 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get a picture of it. 06:06.046 --> 06:06.526 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is. 06:06.546 --> 06:07.687 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking about it, but I guess I got so used to it. 06:07.707 --> 06:23.895 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, okay, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that 06:25.552 --> 06:30.954 [SPEAKER_03]: be in Seoul and I would say and jazz music. 06:31.334 --> 06:34.675 [SPEAKER_03]: He has an appreciation for jazz just broadly. 06:34.755 --> 06:36.956 [SPEAKER_03]: The different genres within jazz music. 06:38.416 --> 06:44.278 [SPEAKER_03]: But because of that, you know, I was exposed to all kinds of instrumentalists and vocalists. 06:44.478 --> 06:45.699 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, people that can 06:46.739 --> 07:11.310 [SPEAKER_03]: really saying oh yeah and then and then I and I would say the other music that I think is also like the soundtrack of my life is certainly Black Oslo music you know I love Black Oslo music I'm very partial to it I you know don't get me sorry you're not you're not supposed to you know it's somebody who has done cultural intelligence work I'm like you know you're not supposed to be like this is better 07:12.337 --> 07:14.838 [SPEAKER_03]: You will get a better judge for me. 07:15.218 --> 07:23.462 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some of the, I'm a big fan of all that black gospel music in its last probably like last hundred years. 07:24.863 --> 07:26.143 [SPEAKER_03]: So post spirituals. 07:27.084 --> 07:28.164 [SPEAKER_03]: I love you. 07:28.184 --> 07:30.285 [SPEAKER_03]: I was watching you do like the respect. 07:30.505 --> 07:35.350 [SPEAKER_03]: You love spirituals, but yeah, but you're just jubilee singing. 07:35.410 --> 07:42.417 [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I don't play about a good HBCU choir that can say spirituals and I've heard quite a few. 07:42.917 --> 07:50.465 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, but I would say in the last 100 years of what Black Gospital music has turned into, that's like story of my experience. 07:50.585 --> 07:52.106 [SPEAKER_03]: So both of those go together. 07:52.947 --> 07:57.331 [SPEAKER_03]: And then obviously through my teenage years, I, I still am in love with 90s R&B. 07:57.431 --> 08:01.535 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I recognize people tend to love the music that reflects when they came of it. 08:01.595 --> 08:02.636 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I don't understand. 08:02.656 --> 08:04.397 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and any can stop coming. 08:04.417 --> 08:05.278 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to stop right there. 08:05.338 --> 08:09.422 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that that was a very unique musical era. 08:10.042 --> 08:10.483 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 08:11.283 --> 08:18.270 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, and I just, I think that was the last hey day of the soulful boy bands. 08:19.661 --> 08:23.606 [SPEAKER_03]: And girl bands, you know, that's like you can get like an in-vogue. 08:23.906 --> 08:26.770 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we've had another in-vogue ever. 08:28.271 --> 08:30.234 [SPEAKER_03]: Dustin's just one even on par. 08:30.975 --> 08:32.757 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, this is different. 08:32.897 --> 08:33.738 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a different genre. 08:33.858 --> 08:35.180 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a different genre. 08:35.761 --> 08:36.181 [SPEAKER_03]: And then 08:38.718 --> 08:47.588 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think, but also like your, your jodices, like that hybrid sound that you have like the new jack swing that was going on in the night. 08:47.608 --> 08:49.510 [SPEAKER_03]: You have so new jack swing, where is it? 08:49.670 --> 08:51.292 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, coming out. 08:51.492 --> 08:52.573 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good time, it's a good time. 08:52.593 --> 08:55.836 [SPEAKER_03]: So, and I do like hip hop, I do like hip hop and rap. 08:55.896 --> 08:59.700 [SPEAKER_03]: Some elements of hip hop and rap, but I realize like my could I were traveling, my husband, I would travel it in. 09:01.835 --> 09:04.996 [SPEAKER_03]: He's more, he's more of a hip-hop person than I am. 09:05.096 --> 09:05.576 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes. 09:06.036 --> 09:11.997 [SPEAKER_03]: But his favorite hip-hop genre, he will say, is the jazz informed hip-hop. 09:12.217 --> 09:13.617 [SPEAKER_05]: A child called Quence. 09:13.657 --> 09:15.017 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's so cute. 09:15.117 --> 09:17.818 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's like his levels, his levels to this. 09:17.858 --> 09:18.778 [SPEAKER_03]: So he has that respect. 09:18.878 --> 09:20.878 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I mean, he's like that fusion of that. 09:21.018 --> 09:22.019 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 09:22.219 --> 09:25.519 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he feels like ever since jazz broke up with hip-hop. 09:25.859 --> 09:26.539 [SPEAKER_03]: We've had a problem. 09:26.699 --> 09:28.900 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, thanks a lot for the talk. 09:29.140 --> 09:29.460 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah. 09:29.760 --> 09:31.981 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, that's a little bit like my little musical sort back. 09:32.041 --> 09:34.341 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got other things about like college and things like that too. 09:34.361 --> 09:35.322 [SPEAKER_03]: But how about you? 09:35.342 --> 09:36.182 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your musical story? 09:36.222 --> 09:39.403 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know you grew up in a home with house parties. 09:39.503 --> 09:43.044 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, yeah, you got to love music to have a house party. 09:43.304 --> 09:44.344 [SPEAKER_05]: House party every weekend. 09:44.384 --> 09:45.264 [SPEAKER_05]: My dad was good for that. 09:45.284 --> 09:49.746 [SPEAKER_05]: My mom is not a big music person, but Ray, they're my dad was so I definitely got that for my dad. 09:49.946 --> 09:52.146 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I am that person that can name that too. 09:52.606 --> 09:53.647 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, here's the question. 09:53.727 --> 09:54.807 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go back to my company. 09:54.887 --> 10:12.991 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 10:25.274 --> 10:26.835 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they're gonna nest them all. 10:27.415 --> 10:32.558 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they do is all they do is it is all they do it's all they do. 10:32.678 --> 10:39.161 [SPEAKER_05]: It's goody mom was right now Yeah, they were before their time with that one because people actually were still there. 10:39.181 --> 10:39.761 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a bad day. 10:39.842 --> 10:40.162 [SPEAKER_03]: I know 10:41.102 --> 11:02.303 [SPEAKER_05]: So, and surely after they stop, yeah, let's take talk, yeah, yeah, yeah, my my for way into my R&B and all of those is definitely my dad has had had and has extensive I think I told you my last Christmas break me and my sister were kind of you know helping organize things and we were like, oh my goodness my dad has 11:02.703 --> 11:08.185 [SPEAKER_05]: hundreds of records from the Isaac Hayes, Miles, Dave, stylistics. 11:09.226 --> 11:12.107 [SPEAKER_05]: You name it, he's he's got temptations, of course. 11:14.068 --> 11:20.050 [SPEAKER_05]: To shot everything, everything, everything, um, average white man, yeah, all of it. 11:20.270 --> 11:25.057 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, and so uh, so that is just even average white man under black music. 11:25.077 --> 11:27.600 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're not, you're not Tena Marie. 11:27.620 --> 11:29.122 [SPEAKER_03]: You're not falls under black music. 11:29.162 --> 11:30.104 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely. 11:30.404 --> 11:31.726 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's a print. 11:32.006 --> 11:33.308 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, so I'll, I'll, I'll show you. 11:33.368 --> 11:34.169 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the first Michael Jack. 11:34.389 --> 11:35.471 [SPEAKER_05]: All of the great. 11:35.731 --> 11:39.114 [SPEAKER_05]: right in there and so I just remember I just grew up to all of that. 11:39.134 --> 11:48.921 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember cassette tapes with two May on there and Rick James and we listen to so much cassette tapes and those were that's the stuff that would just be playing even on our way to church back there. 11:49.222 --> 11:52.724 [SPEAKER_05]: We didn't because my parents grew up Lutheran They didn't have access 11:53.445 --> 11:56.288 [SPEAKER_05]: Let me say their tradition didn't access gospel music at that time. 11:56.308 --> 11:56.749 [SPEAKER_05]: They had it in. 11:56.769 --> 12:00.193 [SPEAKER_05]: So, of course, there was some overlap there, but it wasn't until I came to faith. 12:01.775 --> 12:06.941 [SPEAKER_05]: And I, in the black church, that came into black gospel music in the 90s. 12:07.081 --> 12:09.444 [SPEAKER_05]: And I love black gospel. 12:09.484 --> 12:10.245 [SPEAKER_05]: That's still live there. 12:10.265 --> 12:10.585 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 12:11.506 --> 12:12.928 [SPEAKER_05]: That's still live there. 12:13.028 --> 12:14.511 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a CCM girl. 12:14.651 --> 12:16.914 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not shooting. 12:16.934 --> 12:18.517 [SPEAKER_05]: I just never been my jam and never. 12:18.537 --> 12:19.778 [SPEAKER_05]: I never really connected with it. 12:20.379 --> 12:24.205 [SPEAKER_05]: Unless black folks take it and remix and put some oil on it. 12:24.225 --> 12:24.846 [SPEAKER_05]: You know how we do. 12:25.206 --> 12:25.527 [SPEAKER_05]: And so. 12:26.488 --> 12:31.372 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the way I was the only way I could resume it personally. 12:31.392 --> 12:33.074 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you already know where I am. 12:33.094 --> 12:35.576 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the only way I could resume it. 12:35.996 --> 12:39.079 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I just love our, and then of course, coming of age, right? 12:39.379 --> 12:41.281 [SPEAKER_05]: In the 90s, you name the groups. 12:41.401 --> 12:43.283 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm surprised you didn't name Jade. 12:43.703 --> 12:44.404 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't walk away. 12:44.444 --> 12:45.044 [SPEAKER_05]: That's you. 12:45.285 --> 12:45.805 [SPEAKER_05]: I love that. 12:45.845 --> 12:46.225 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you. 12:48.988 --> 13:04.543 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I love a good girl for Johnny, you know, and then later on came Jill Scott, at least for me, um, then, uh, Erica, I do love, you know, maybe the black, you know, the list goes on and then I do believe that there was something special. 13:04.604 --> 13:07.426 [SPEAKER_05]: I do feel like something has shifted in Chase. 13:07.486 --> 13:10.830 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's just me being an older millennial, and I 13:11.070 --> 13:18.097 [SPEAKER_05]: get off my lawn, y'all don't do it as good as you, Jerry, Atrick, when you know you exactly, I don't think it's just that one. 13:18.177 --> 13:27.626 [SPEAKER_05]: I think there's been some change, you know, I think there's, of course, Stevie Wonder's, how could I not, I was Stevie Wonder's all up in my dad's catalog, you know, and it's crazy because the other day, 13:28.437 --> 13:30.038 [SPEAKER_05]: as I was preparing to come here, actually. 13:31.780 --> 13:41.047 [SPEAKER_05]: As Stevie Wonder's as was just running through in my mind, in my spirit, I just thinking about just, and I came off the heels of my cousin's wedding, too. 13:41.807 --> 13:50.654 [SPEAKER_05]: So filling all the lovey vats, you know, and all that beautiful black love, and I was just thinking about just how beautiful that song is. 13:51.295 --> 13:55.638 [SPEAKER_05]: And how deeply theological that song is, 13:58.080 --> 14:01.541 [SPEAKER_05]: The exactly, you know, the depth of love, the eternal nature. 14:01.801 --> 14:04.021 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I love, um, yeah, which we're on. 14:04.201 --> 14:06.342 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to pack some of those lyrics right now, but I'm just so grateful. 14:06.802 --> 14:08.703 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Steve, you still with us and still blessing us. 14:09.103 --> 14:11.683 [SPEAKER_05]: I know in music and wisdom and insight on just love. 14:11.723 --> 14:12.884 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Steve, please. 14:13.004 --> 14:15.184 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, because we know love is in need of love today. 14:15.204 --> 14:18.645 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that is what's missing from a lot of the R&B that we hear. 14:19.125 --> 14:24.992 [SPEAKER_05]: So even now, I know for me, and I just have a hard time connecting with some of the newer R&B artists. 14:25.232 --> 14:34.804 [SPEAKER_05]: There are some that I absolutely love like Alex Isley, who was a descendant, you know, I really to the Isley and you know, brothers, I can't remember which dad is heard at. 14:35.344 --> 14:38.405 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, Alex Leslie, she's got musical roots. 14:38.645 --> 14:40.065 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's a beautiful voice. 14:40.485 --> 14:46.767 [SPEAKER_05]: Xavier Omar, who we've had on truth table a couple of seasons ago, or maybe a little more than a couple of seasons ago now. 14:47.807 --> 14:51.228 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a group called Moonchath, whom I love. 14:51.248 --> 14:52.788 [SPEAKER_05]: They're having a voyage, or it's so many other. 14:53.149 --> 14:58.710 [SPEAKER_05]: There are some that I'm like, yes, and I know Daniel's Caesar's a controversial figure because of his, 14:59.350 --> 15:10.113 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, but his music is beautiful, you know, this is only internalized stuff, what you know about black women, but what yeah, now it's a lot But his music is beautiful. 15:10.133 --> 15:24.618 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, okay, so there's some, you know, I'm not the Ellen Millennial that won't try Yeah, so there's our some art and I really do I'm like ah, yes, I like I'm chatting for them I'm excited for when their music comes out, but on the whole there used to be a time where R&B was 15:25.458 --> 15:42.361 [SPEAKER_05]: was there was always brunt ronchi rnb so i'm not acting like that wasn't a thing but there it there was sure yeah let's let's put that on the table but it was animated a lot of it was to animate it by love you know and understanding the depths of love and balance 15:42.921 --> 16:06.238 [SPEAKER_05]: And what that means to see someone, you know, as your, your equal, your counterpart, your, your, the mutuality within a relationship and so on and just a depth of the love and what you would do for that love sacrifice that, you know, even if it didn't work out there was a sincere reckoning with the emotions that that that brings up so I don't know I think it's a. 16:06.458 --> 16:16.390 [SPEAKER_05]: the barge, and yeah, all the info and to all of that, you know, so I, anyway, I was just thinking about anyway, as had been running in play, so it's the song that I've been playing kind of on repeat. 16:16.450 --> 16:17.951 [SPEAKER_05]: And I will, I'm, I'm a repeater. 16:17.991 --> 16:18.412 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm good. 16:18.993 --> 16:22.437 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you got to get it in to get it in to get it in there. 16:23.117 --> 16:23.858 [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. 16:23.878 --> 16:25.480 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm just playing. 16:25.841 --> 16:26.361 [SPEAKER_05]: I know. 16:26.381 --> 16:27.302 [SPEAKER_05]: So keep it on the lead. 16:27.823 --> 16:42.580 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I just thought it would be good for, you know, just talk about R&B and the ways in which we see, God's just creative hand at work, it will be a beautiful music that we would think will be divorced. 16:43.141 --> 16:48.883 [SPEAKER_05]: It's one of the people that hold to a really hard line on the sacred, the divide between the sacred and secular. 16:48.963 --> 16:49.223 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 16:49.283 --> 16:58.025 [SPEAKER_05]: And not really that type of person because I just, you can see, got some prints and some things and some things are very much secular. 16:58.045 --> 16:59.606 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm acting like that's not a real thing. 17:00.046 --> 17:04.487 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's, it's beautiful when we can see the way the Lord has gifted people. 17:04.667 --> 17:07.448 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, even people that may not even be believers, right? 17:07.468 --> 17:23.053 [SPEAKER_05]: So, somebody we name are, so I'm more not, I'm sure, you know, but yeah, but seeing the image of God and the manifestation of that, manifest in their music, you like that imprint of God's imprint on people and their giftings, I think is so, 17:24.238 --> 17:25.420 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, so beautiful. 17:25.440 --> 17:30.447 [SPEAKER_03]: It can lead me to tears on Twitter, God, making us create of as one of those shared attributes. 17:30.508 --> 17:36.877 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you don't create from scratch as God does, but we create from what God has created. 17:36.917 --> 17:39.681 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, which is such a gift that the Lord would allow you. 17:40.222 --> 18:00.101 [SPEAKER_03]: to make do with what has been created, you know, you know, as I was thinking, when I thought, as you were talking, I thought came to my mind of how kind it is, like throughout my childhood, these moments when my mother or my grandmother or someone would give me something to now play with, to now redream, to rework, to cut up. 18:00.722 --> 18:02.202 [SPEAKER_03]: to reinterpret whatever you want. 18:02.222 --> 18:03.123 [SPEAKER_03]: And that is in some ways. 18:03.163 --> 18:05.764 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that is what humanity is offered from God. 18:05.784 --> 18:11.845 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, God has created, which is already beautiful like the trees and the nature and the borrower and the elements all these things. 18:11.965 --> 18:17.087 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's extended to us so that we now communicate with it and hopefully do good. 18:17.347 --> 18:18.828 [SPEAKER_03]: in what we then turned it into. 18:18.848 --> 18:27.072 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the kind of the responsibility and obligation we have with God's creation, since we don't create them scratch, we bear a responsibility to take God as creative and to steward it. 18:27.152 --> 18:27.412 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 18:27.452 --> 18:32.915 [SPEAKER_03]: And say, look, look, look what I make, you know, my mind, look what I made out of your old jewelry, look how I repurposed it, look how I did this to it. 18:32.935 --> 18:37.017 [SPEAKER_05]: Look, the garden, the flowers from the garden that I cut and arranged. 18:37.178 --> 18:37.958 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 18:38.078 --> 18:40.059 [SPEAKER_03]: And let them dry and now they're papuri, right? 18:40.359 --> 18:41.120 [SPEAKER_03]: But the source, 18:41.900 --> 18:42.821 [SPEAKER_03]: the original design. 18:42.861 --> 18:47.066 [SPEAKER_03]: We give God glory for being for being the true creator of the design. 18:47.346 --> 18:47.546 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 18:47.686 --> 18:49.949 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it listens what I would love to do in our second half. 18:50.029 --> 18:58.457 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about why did God give us music in general, but before we go to that break, do you want to talk a little bit about Stevie Wanda's as? 18:59.058 --> 19:03.923 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's let's talk about as when we come back because there's something that you lift it up that 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21:27.163 --> 21:34.409 [SPEAKER_03]: Like as a signature artist that is like, you know, like that other artist float around basically. 21:34.789 --> 21:35.830 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, as inspiration. 21:35.850 --> 21:38.593 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, why is it just deeply gifted? 21:39.073 --> 21:45.219 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I mean, a true musical genius, a musical Savan, you know, and a beneficence, 21:46.061 --> 21:46.361 [SPEAKER_05]: a child. 21:46.962 --> 21:49.683 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, I'm seeing something young boy. 21:49.703 --> 21:52.665 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, he, like, he makes music. 21:53.145 --> 21:53.425 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 21:53.805 --> 21:55.246 [SPEAKER_05]: He makes, he makes him use it. 21:55.346 --> 21:56.707 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, almost like his own. 21:56.727 --> 21:57.267 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. 21:57.627 --> 21:58.708 [SPEAKER_05]: It's always just a Stevie. 21:59.468 --> 22:00.749 [SPEAKER_05]: There's our own category. 22:00.769 --> 22:01.289 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. 22:01.389 --> 22:06.532 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I never said like to be simplistic when I say he makes music, but he doesn't just play music. 22:06.892 --> 22:08.413 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't just form music. 22:08.453 --> 22:10.314 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like there's a creative use of 22:15.097 --> 22:17.479 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, no, no, he makes things in a key of life. 22:17.519 --> 22:19.640 [SPEAKER_03]: He does, maybe he was like, and I want to name it that. 22:19.660 --> 22:22.242 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just very, it's really does. 22:23.022 --> 22:26.224 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the artistry, it's just, it's really hard. 22:26.945 --> 22:28.105 [SPEAKER_03]: You can see his music. 22:28.406 --> 22:30.467 [SPEAKER_05]: It's very transcendent, you know, you can see it. 22:31.087 --> 22:35.110 [SPEAKER_05]: I had the otherworldly, I had the honor. 22:35.590 --> 22:37.433 [SPEAKER_05]: and the gift of seeing him in concert for him. 22:37.513 --> 22:41.017 [SPEAKER_05]: He had a tour of songs in a key of life tour. 22:41.498 --> 22:46.604 [SPEAKER_05]: And I went at a stop in Philly, my friend, Christie shout out to Christie. 22:47.025 --> 22:51.130 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that got us tickets at Ruflow Floor Seats, too. 22:51.530 --> 22:53.652 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, maybe it was just a beautiful experience. 22:53.752 --> 22:54.753 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't I was at 2012, 2013. 22:55.153 --> 23:04.100 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember, but it was somewhere around there and it was just a beautiful Trent experience. 23:04.300 --> 23:10.926 [SPEAKER_05]: It just was like, I think he's one of not the only, but he's one of the artists where it's clearly like, oh, Goddamn is just 23:11.803 --> 23:12.424 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, y'all. 23:12.704 --> 23:14.826 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just a gift you want to do this. 23:15.407 --> 23:16.468 [SPEAKER_03]: You're in your purpose. 23:16.528 --> 23:16.708 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 23:16.728 --> 23:19.531 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there are people who I have seen live that are. 23:19.551 --> 23:20.993 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess because your concert count is sort? 23:21.133 --> 23:21.994 [SPEAKER_03]: I got a concert. 23:22.074 --> 23:24.617 [SPEAKER_03]: Just theater, theater, live entertainment in general. 23:24.657 --> 23:26.319 [SPEAKER_03]: But there are people who I have seen. 23:26.359 --> 23:31.004 [SPEAKER_03]: I think in my mind, like, the highest compliment is, if I, if I'm like, oh, they give me CV vibes. 23:31.704 --> 23:57.000 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like to me like Vassie someone even in John top right now, um, you know, I think I think PJ Morton a live is I think I think he truly creates music that you can see I think And I mean he has he you know, he's obviously deeply skilled, but he also has that very Real legitimate church undergirding also the soulful elements are just there and I think that's 23:57.220 --> 23:58.061 [SPEAKER_05]: first TV as well. 23:58.301 --> 23:58.601 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 23:58.841 --> 24:14.551 [SPEAKER_03]: He believed you can tell he's deeply little wondered, Ella deeply informed and inspired by Stevie Wonder, like you can hear, but not like in a mocking way like I'm going to be a rip-up of this person, but I would say, yeah, I was like, when I'm hearing certain people, 24:14.971 --> 24:17.232 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're kind of, they're kind of musicality. 24:17.312 --> 24:23.153 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, this is, it's not that it's the same or even the same level of skill or giftedness per se. 24:23.613 --> 24:28.834 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like this is in the, this is in the lineage of that style of what's happening. 24:28.854 --> 24:33.595 [SPEAKER_03]: It's more just like a style, but in the spirit of that particular, that music, of Stevie's music. 24:33.635 --> 24:38.437 [SPEAKER_03]: So I, and again, I love, I love live music in musicianship. 24:38.457 --> 24:39.477 [SPEAKER_03]: We do, yeah. 24:39.617 --> 24:41.957 [SPEAKER_03]: I just deeply, which I, which I dig living in part 24:44.998 --> 24:47.521 [SPEAKER_03]: for music and ship and for musical artistries. 24:47.561 --> 24:48.061 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, natural. 24:48.101 --> 24:49.422 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like that in New York like that. 24:49.442 --> 24:51.664 [SPEAKER_03]: There are parts, you know, LA. 24:51.765 --> 24:51.945 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. 24:51.965 --> 24:53.306 [SPEAKER_03]: But I would, I think of Nashville. 24:53.446 --> 24:58.351 [SPEAKER_03]: National is a melting part of that in terms of musical genres and skill and ability. 24:58.371 --> 24:58.791 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 24:58.951 --> 25:00.653 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, how many musicians live here? 25:01.033 --> 25:02.975 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, I mean, if you go out to an L.A. 25:02.995 --> 25:06.158 [SPEAKER_03]: too, and you're going to read your decisions. 25:06.198 --> 25:06.318 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 25:06.338 --> 25:08.720 [SPEAKER_03]: I really respect people, and that's not what I do at all. 25:09.380 --> 25:23.553 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think, music and art, there's something about it, even if that's not your thing, it can pull from you a deep respect in regard, precisely because it's not your thing, maybe, and but yet it provides so much to you in your life. 25:23.633 --> 25:28.057 [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel that way when I think of musicians and vocalists, what they provide to us. 25:28.457 --> 25:31.759 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's such like what they do is actually a gift to us. 25:31.919 --> 25:41.026 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I think I'm, you know, I think about music and the gift in music as just this beautiful audio visual garden, you know, that God is giving to us. 25:41.326 --> 25:42.967 [SPEAKER_05]: It's another way to access beauty. 25:43.307 --> 25:43.467 [SPEAKER_06]: Yep. 25:43.668 --> 25:48.231 [SPEAKER_05]: That's another way, another vehicle for us to, how can I say? 25:50.372 --> 25:56.456 [SPEAKER_05]: embrace, uh, living to our emotions that maybe is hard for us to articulate. 25:56.616 --> 25:58.658 [SPEAKER_03]: We have to have music. 25:58.758 --> 25:59.839 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you got to have music. 25:59.979 --> 26:00.739 [SPEAKER_03]: I bring enough. 26:00.759 --> 26:01.600 [SPEAKER_03]: We have to have music. 26:01.620 --> 26:02.380 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, yes, yes. 26:02.440 --> 26:04.181 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's something it takes you somewhere. 26:04.201 --> 26:07.664 [SPEAKER_05]: It causes you to explore if if the song is written well, of course, the melody and not. 26:08.244 --> 26:11.285 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it can take you, hello, it's a jam. 26:11.365 --> 26:22.387 [SPEAKER_05]: It can really take you into a place of deep self-exploration, self-examination, honor, praise and worship to God. 26:22.427 --> 26:24.748 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it doesn't have to be praise and worship music. 26:25.308 --> 26:26.288 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I believe that. 26:26.608 --> 26:27.269 [SPEAKER_05]: That's amazing. 26:27.889 --> 26:30.889 [SPEAKER_05]: When that happens, but it doesn't actually have to be that. 26:30.909 --> 26:37.191 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that was so, that's what I was just like thinking so much about as the other day when I was getting ready at 2 a.m. 26:37.211 --> 26:37.551 [SPEAKER_05]: to get here. 26:39.473 --> 26:43.259 [SPEAKER_05]: You know that I was just playing as I'll repeat and just how beautiful it was. 26:43.279 --> 26:43.760 [SPEAKER_05]: It is. 26:43.800 --> 26:44.141 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry. 26:44.561 --> 26:46.484 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was thinking so much about I think my own. 26:48.127 --> 26:49.749 [SPEAKER_05]: The gift of my parents love. 26:52.847 --> 26:55.368 [SPEAKER_05]: um, in the beauty of black love, for sure. 26:55.448 --> 26:57.669 [SPEAKER_05]: And I just thought, how, like, what does it mean? 26:57.689 --> 27:03.492 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I can see my mom's love for my dad, even to how, yeah, z-turnality of love. 27:03.532 --> 27:03.772 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 27:04.372 --> 27:08.013 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, man, this song is so, I've always loved it does not die. 27:08.073 --> 27:10.815 [SPEAKER_05]: Love doesn't die, even when I love one's die, you know? 27:10.955 --> 27:14.476 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, and that love will still remain when we see them in the eschaton, right? 27:15.036 --> 27:15.717 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, um, 27:16.557 --> 27:20.159 [SPEAKER_05]: or in glory or you know, however you want to phrase it, but I was thinking about that same month. 27:20.580 --> 27:21.340 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just beautiful. 27:21.560 --> 27:21.901 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 27:22.001 --> 27:29.806 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like when I think about just the lyrics and the, and that song is so theologically deep. 27:30.206 --> 27:30.366 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 27:30.687 --> 27:30.907 [SPEAKER_02]: Deep. 27:30.987 --> 27:32.788 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's any real, but I don't know. 27:32.808 --> 27:34.669 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's because there's no real deep comp. 27:34.689 --> 27:37.491 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no true conversation about what love actually is. 27:37.711 --> 27:38.111 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 27:38.452 --> 27:40.053 [SPEAKER_03]: Because God is the source of love. 27:40.533 --> 27:41.053 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. 27:41.193 --> 27:43.934 [SPEAKER_03]: God, it's got eggs, that is the source. 27:44.094 --> 27:46.735 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, very be and source, right? 27:46.775 --> 27:50.036 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's what it's produced given and it's the substance of what it is. 27:50.176 --> 27:54.458 [SPEAKER_03]: And yet, we don't, we don't have a real picture of love. 27:54.558 --> 28:01.560 [SPEAKER_03]: Any forms of it unless it is coming, lessen lengths us back to it's true source to where the fountain love is. 28:02.180 --> 28:08.985 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's why I feel so deeply theological because the true way it is about what love is, it's necessarily has to be. 28:09.446 --> 28:21.175 [SPEAKER_05]: And you can feel when you get a taste of that and you've sense God's love and you see the manifestation of that love in a lot of different ways and your own parents life and your own family. 28:21.235 --> 28:28.641 [SPEAKER_05]: In your own life, maybe, you know, you know the void, you feel the void, you feel the lovelessness, 28:29.161 --> 28:32.982 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, um, which I, of course, Steve has a song called Love as a Need of Love today. 28:33.502 --> 28:34.242 [SPEAKER_05]: Helen did it. 28:34.302 --> 28:52.126 [SPEAKER_05]: He said he says all the things, and it is, you know, but I think about that I'm like, my God, so you feel that, and I think for me as one who, um, and I'm not saying that Mary, people, some of their marriages ain't so great, and they feel that love, so I'm not trying to, you know, they're all kinds of marriages. 28:52.146 --> 28:56.007 [SPEAKER_05]: But you mean, like, in terms of the idea of what it ought to, the idea of what it ought to be. 28:56.027 --> 28:56.567 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's 28:59.529 --> 29:09.076 [SPEAKER_05]: This generation, trying to find love in this generation is so difficult because when you've seen it, you know, when you've seen it up close, oh my, I know what it's supposed to feel like. 29:09.256 --> 29:14.080 [SPEAKER_05]: I know what it's supposed to look like, you know, my parents weren't perfect, but I know exactly what it's supposed to feel like. 29:14.100 --> 29:15.201 [SPEAKER_05]: I know it's supposed to look like. 29:15.361 --> 29:17.001 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, it's hard. 29:17.282 --> 29:28.065 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, when people are, um, don't come into, uh, into the pool with that mindset, you know, where it's much more transactional. 29:28.485 --> 29:29.045 [SPEAKER_05]: What can you do? 29:29.085 --> 29:29.945 [SPEAKER_05]: What's in it for me? 29:29.965 --> 29:32.206 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, my, oh my gosh, that is just a repellent for me. 29:32.266 --> 29:35.907 [SPEAKER_03]: It's such a lack of honor and dignifying of the other person. 29:35.927 --> 29:35.987 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 29:36.407 --> 29:37.307 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah. 29:37.447 --> 29:39.428 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that, I mean, which is the opposite of what love is. 29:39.728 --> 29:42.091 [SPEAKER_03]: to opposites, let me pull up some of them. 29:42.211 --> 29:42.911 [SPEAKER_03]: Come on, the lyrics. 29:43.472 --> 29:44.473 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's nice. 29:44.533 --> 29:45.354 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's hope I don't cry. 29:45.374 --> 29:45.895 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't let's see. 29:46.075 --> 29:46.796 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, am I? 29:46.996 --> 29:47.276 [SPEAKER_05]: Am I? 29:47.356 --> 29:48.217 [SPEAKER_05]: It's beautiful. 29:48.658 --> 29:52.222 [SPEAKER_05]: So we ain't playing because we ain't got the right so we don't want to see we run to see where the suit was. 29:54.063 --> 29:55.904 [SPEAKER_05]: But we love you will just be practicing. 29:55.944 --> 29:57.964 [SPEAKER_05]: We are going to have steamy my steamy. 29:58.625 --> 30:05.487 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so this is as, I'm just kind of, I'm going to throw around some of the different lyrics that we're going to get into the course. 30:05.507 --> 30:09.588 [SPEAKER_05]: So it starts with as around the sun or no, she's revolving. 30:10.189 --> 30:12.970 [SPEAKER_05]: And the rose buds know to bloom in early May. 30:13.690 --> 30:20.912 [SPEAKER_05]: Just as hate knows loves the cure, you can rest your mind as sure that I'll be loving you all way. 30:20.952 --> 30:22.373 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, foundational truth. 30:23.073 --> 30:39.736 [SPEAKER_05]: foundational truth right creation or order yeah you know that that there will be see time and harvest right the rose buds no to bloom yeah and early May like that yeah as long as we be living that's been had and we do need something to just be we do in times of chaos 30:40.938 --> 30:42.159 [SPEAKER_05]: Especially in times of chaos. 30:43.140 --> 30:45.142 [SPEAKER_05]: As around the sun, the earth knows she's revolved. 30:45.262 --> 30:48.565 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, these things are constant. 30:48.685 --> 30:52.889 [SPEAKER_05]: No matter what is happening, we know that the sun will rise again. 30:53.309 --> 30:56.813 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we know that there's gonna be sea time and harvest, right? 30:57.734 --> 31:00.476 [SPEAKER_05]: So I love that there's toes at the times and seasons. 31:00.657 --> 31:01.958 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like Ecclesiastes. 31:02.098 --> 31:03.199 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's what I'm hearing. 31:03.219 --> 31:04.080 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm hearing that coast. 31:04.420 --> 31:13.385 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, of some crazy ass that we're here in Genesis, yeah, I'm hearing some Genesis, yeah, you know, in there and then I will be loving you always right in first Corinthians 30. 31:13.625 --> 31:17.307 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, love, you know, love and never dies. 31:17.387 --> 31:24.351 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's faith, hope and love, but love is a greatest, you know, yeah, well, God's love being tied to God's, 31:33.776 --> 31:35.718 [SPEAKER_03]: the eternality of God's love will be. 31:35.838 --> 31:39.742 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's in, and obviously someone made the image of God seeking to the love of a person. 31:39.922 --> 31:40.142 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 31:40.342 --> 31:42.925 [SPEAKER_03]: But tying it in those things, seeing messaging into the end. 31:43.385 --> 31:51.492 [SPEAKER_03]: And the love that we have for other people, if you think about romantic love in this example, that love for it to persist has got to be rooted in something even beyond that. 31:52.093 --> 31:52.854 [SPEAKER_03]: person. 31:53.915 --> 31:55.176 [SPEAKER_03]: That is, that's the real issue. 31:55.196 --> 31:58.358 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the why we have the problems that we got going on. 31:58.378 --> 32:08.527 [SPEAKER_03]: That's because the love that we give to the other person, the love that the spouse gets to the other spouse is not, it is targeted to that person, but it's not fully rude and even determined. 32:08.547 --> 32:09.527 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's right. 32:09.567 --> 32:11.189 [SPEAKER_05]: That person comes from God. 32:11.249 --> 32:15.432 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because because people change, but the love needs to have a throughline tools. 32:15.712 --> 32:16.233 [SPEAKER_03]: No matter what. 32:16.433 --> 32:22.155 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, no matter what, um, um, uh, and remain unshakable, really. 32:22.195 --> 32:24.395 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I'm only God needs to standard, but yeah. 32:24.415 --> 32:25.216 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, exactly. 32:25.936 --> 32:29.837 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, um, and then we know that, okay, not, we know, maybe not everybody does. 32:29.857 --> 32:39.720 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, uh, but you'll play it, we'll play it, but the course, you know, um, that I'll be loving you always until the ocean covers every mountain high. 32:39.740 --> 32:39.800 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 32:40.200 --> 32:42.041 [SPEAKER_05]: And you do know that day's going to come on, right? 32:42.901 --> 32:44.184 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, always, right? 32:44.604 --> 32:48.270 [SPEAKER_05]: Until the dolphin flies and parrots live at sea. 32:48.811 --> 32:50.113 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, always, right? 32:51.067 --> 32:54.670 [SPEAKER_05]: until we dream of life and life becomes a dream. 32:55.111 --> 32:55.751 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my goodness. 32:56.192 --> 32:58.954 [SPEAKER_05]: And then it says, you know, did you know the true love asked for nothing? 32:59.054 --> 33:01.997 [SPEAKER_05]: Her acceptance is the way we pay. 33:02.017 --> 33:03.558 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I love the music. 33:03.779 --> 33:03.979 [SPEAKER_05]: Right? 33:04.019 --> 33:04.259 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 33:04.639 --> 33:11.366 [SPEAKER_05]: Did you know that life has given love, a guarantee to last through forever, and another day, because the true poet. 33:11.706 --> 33:13.588 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a true, yet the eternality. 33:14.768 --> 33:15.689 [SPEAKER_05]: love, right? 33:16.469 --> 33:18.630 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and then he goes on to talk about time. 33:18.650 --> 33:23.411 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but there was something here that I there's one other, um, lyric that I love. 33:23.451 --> 33:25.432 [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, at first one, I love the science in it. 33:27.012 --> 33:33.655 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I love all of that, like, until every ocean covers and every mountain hide to the dolphin flies, you know. 33:33.955 --> 33:34.335 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:34.555 --> 33:40.097 [SPEAKER_03]: And was it, it's either until the impossible, because possible, or until the 33:44.098 --> 33:53.125 [SPEAKER_05]: That's right, to true consummation, you know, when Christ returns and, right, and we get a new earth and a new heaven and all of that, you know, that's coming, it's going to happen. 33:55.267 --> 34:11.120 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see, there's another part that I, oh, yes, there's so much in here so much, but oh, yeah, here we go until the trees and seas jump up, I mean, there's so many examples he was like, let me let me name all of the impossibilities and possibilities that are far off. 34:11.720 --> 34:20.024 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that show the the stability on my love, then the eternal anchoring of that love, right? 34:20.064 --> 34:21.885 [SPEAKER_05]: Which was really flowing from God. 34:21.905 --> 34:25.347 [SPEAKER_05]: So until the trees and the seas jump up and fly away, right? 34:25.807 --> 34:29.549 [SPEAKER_05]: Until the day that intense ate is for mathematics. 34:29.749 --> 34:33.270 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like, he's basically like Liness and just like these things are in possibilities. 34:33.551 --> 34:34.851 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not going to happen. 34:34.871 --> 34:35.972 [SPEAKER_05]: That's never going to equal for. 34:36.652 --> 34:36.912 [SPEAKER_05]: Right? 34:37.293 --> 34:38.794 [SPEAKER_05]: You ain't got to be a mathematician to know that. 34:39.434 --> 34:48.581 [SPEAKER_05]: Until the day that is the day, I think that he says that I know more or are no more, sometimes the lyrics, you know, but anyway, I'm loving you to let that, right? 34:49.342 --> 34:53.305 [SPEAKER_05]: Until the day the earth starts turning right to left, my goodness. 34:53.405 --> 34:57.348 [SPEAKER_05]: Until the earth, just for the sun, denies itself. 34:58.709 --> 34:59.410 [SPEAKER_05]: When is that going to happen? 35:00.070 --> 35:00.290 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 35:00.470 --> 35:02.931 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know, like, and I'll be loving you forever. 35:02.971 --> 35:03.171 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 35:03.211 --> 35:12.073 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, until dear mother nature says her work is through until the day that you are me and I am you that's always that's one of my favorite. 35:12.133 --> 35:13.414 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, my favorite lines in there. 35:13.914 --> 35:17.215 [SPEAKER_05]: And until the rainbow burns a star's out of the sky out in the sky. 35:18.015 --> 35:18.615 [SPEAKER_05]: until the ocean. 35:18.635 --> 35:19.896 [SPEAKER_03]: The melting of identity. 35:20.216 --> 35:20.416 [SPEAKER_05]: Yep. 35:20.596 --> 35:22.056 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. 35:22.076 --> 35:29.038 [SPEAKER_03]: It even, even from theological sense of, in some ways, it can be a nod to the full consummate, glorification as we stand before Jesus, and we are like him. 35:29.198 --> 35:29.938 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 35:30.019 --> 35:30.259 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 35:30.319 --> 35:30.519 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 35:31.079 --> 35:32.679 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's so many ways. 35:32.699 --> 35:37.461 [SPEAKER_03]: There's something really profound about oneness, losing self into something that's greater and becoming something else. 35:37.521 --> 35:38.041 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think. 35:38.841 --> 35:48.989 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, the, yeah, the artistry, the poetry, and obviously as you're saying these lyrics, we know that, you know, Stevie is saying his face off, but there's, there's like this, there's an instrumental crescendo. 35:49.009 --> 35:50.670 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's happening. 35:50.690 --> 35:52.612 [SPEAKER_03]: That holds you in in this song. 35:53.232 --> 35:57.255 [SPEAKER_03]: And like the way that the rhythm just kind of pulls you along to the background. 35:57.515 --> 35:57.676 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 35:58.456 --> 35:59.757 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's just so much going on. 35:59.777 --> 36:01.359 [SPEAKER_03]: So many layers. 36:01.459 --> 36:02.419 [SPEAKER_03]: So many layers. 36:02.479 --> 36:06.823 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's the snapshot of what music is for. 36:06.843 --> 36:08.785 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, music at it. 36:08.825 --> 36:12.568 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, no, I mean, obviously, no pressure for our musicians who are watching. 36:12.588 --> 36:15.090 [SPEAKER_03]: We always think everyone to meet this standard of this song. 36:15.130 --> 36:18.993 [SPEAKER_03]: But but that is what it allows us to do at our human experience. 36:19.053 --> 36:24.558 [SPEAKER_03]: It's to be, um, to, for, for the, for the, for the creative work to take our hand. 36:25.118 --> 36:29.200 [SPEAKER_03]: open this intake us to a place and take us to a place like we cannot stay here. 36:29.240 --> 36:31.981 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, somebody way that's what that's what the Psalms do. 36:32.181 --> 36:41.045 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what the spiritual songs and hymns that the early church came in like they came to this new identity in Christ and this they came into the new church. 36:41.525 --> 36:46.132 [SPEAKER_03]: they came in giving songs that had just been created in birth in them. 36:46.412 --> 36:48.996 [SPEAKER_05]: This is what song is song does. 36:49.216 --> 36:56.407 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as long as there is the church in the world, there ought to be new songs that are birthed in people to be sung. 36:56.767 --> 36:59.489 [SPEAKER_05]: We got to learn to sing new songs in a strangely. 36:59.509 --> 37:01.550 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that we got, we got to make sure. 37:01.751 --> 37:06.214 [SPEAKER_05]: But we got, because music healed, I really believe, art is, we'll heal us. 37:06.474 --> 37:10.216 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that is part of, I think, a healing mechanism that God has given us. 37:10.296 --> 37:12.218 [SPEAKER_05]: And it will remind us that we're humans too. 37:12.418 --> 37:13.158 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 37:13.198 --> 37:14.439 [SPEAKER_05]: This is our thing. 37:14.719 --> 37:17.041 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think it's one of the ways that we can permeate. 37:17.682 --> 37:18.342 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, love. 37:18.382 --> 37:20.323 [SPEAKER_05]: And we can begin to disciple people into love. 37:20.343 --> 37:20.744 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 37:21.744 --> 37:23.645 [SPEAKER_05]: How many of us know the music does disciples? 37:23.885 --> 37:25.105 [SPEAKER_05]: We're shaped by that. 37:25.125 --> 37:31.026 [SPEAKER_05]: We listen to our mischained, you know, a mischaped or a mischaped from the good or the bad of that. 37:31.887 --> 37:44.710 [SPEAKER_05]: So it matters what we ingest, what we listen to, you know, when we take in, you know, I think one of the other deeply theological parts of this song that I think the whole thing is theologically dense and rich, but I think I love it. 37:44.730 --> 37:46.450 [SPEAKER_05]: They're so accessible to, right? 37:46.590 --> 37:48.291 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he spans generations. 37:48.391 --> 37:48.611 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, 37:49.391 --> 37:52.274 [SPEAKER_05]: The babies must be up to the, you know, the silent genuids. 37:52.334 --> 37:52.754 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a suicide. 37:52.874 --> 37:53.575 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a everybody. 37:53.615 --> 37:55.357 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is similar to earth wind and fire. 37:55.677 --> 38:00.561 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very similar, likewise, it might, I want to see them and maybe, but yeah, so, so. 38:01.162 --> 38:06.907 [SPEAKER_03]: That would maybe one of the most diverse concerts I've ever been to, to cross generation, culture, race, background. 38:06.947 --> 38:07.528 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it just, 38:08.361 --> 38:09.901 [SPEAKER_03]: I've not seen Earth ever about to. 38:10.081 --> 38:16.523 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they stand generations, you know, and so there's one part that's just like so beautiful. 38:16.583 --> 38:31.386 [SPEAKER_05]: He says this, this is, oh, this is the last, um, last first is actually before their course goes on and on, we all know sometimes this is when he's he, this is when he's like, we all know. 38:32.026 --> 38:35.931 [SPEAKER_05]: There are sometimes like, you know, that when he starts, you're kind of, I don't know how to handle that thing. 38:35.971 --> 38:36.332 [SPEAKER_05]: Vampin. 38:36.472 --> 38:37.313 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah. 38:37.353 --> 38:39.616 [SPEAKER_05]: We all know sometimes life hates and troubles. 38:40.387 --> 38:40.687 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't we? 38:40.947 --> 38:41.227 [SPEAKER_05]: Really? 38:41.447 --> 38:42.267 [SPEAKER_05]: Can I get a witness? 38:42.347 --> 38:44.388 [SPEAKER_05]: If you don't know, if you landed, you're about to go. 38:45.768 --> 38:48.929 [SPEAKER_05]: It can make you wish you were born in another time in space. 38:49.009 --> 38:49.849 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, Jeepers. 38:50.049 --> 38:50.229 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. 38:50.809 --> 38:57.671 [SPEAKER_05]: But you can bet your life times that and twice it's double that God knew exactly where he wanted you to be placed. 38:58.071 --> 38:59.271 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I love that. 39:00.371 --> 39:04.152 [SPEAKER_05]: So make sure when when you say you're in it, but not of it. 39:04.492 --> 39:06.673 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's, you know, being in the world and not of it. 39:06.753 --> 39:06.953 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 39:07.233 --> 39:08.714 [SPEAKER_03]: That's this is like on the nose. 39:08.894 --> 39:09.474 [SPEAKER_05]: I was on the nose. 39:09.755 --> 39:10.415 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 39:10.755 --> 39:14.877 [SPEAKER_05]: You're not helping to make this earth a place sometimes called hell. 39:15.928 --> 39:16.188 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow. 39:16.388 --> 39:18.270 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you mean be a neighbor, right? 39:18.350 --> 39:20.472 [SPEAKER_05]: You mean love your neighbor is yourself. 39:20.552 --> 39:25.656 [SPEAKER_05]: You mean love them, care for them, and you're loving yourself, loving your other neighbor. 39:25.676 --> 39:28.519 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you make sure that life is not a living hell for them? 39:28.779 --> 39:29.019 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 39:29.740 --> 39:36.606 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is, you mean health is a place that's just bigger than not necessarily romantic love is not deep and rich and true. 39:37.186 --> 39:43.631 [SPEAKER_03]: But what he is pulling us into the, that that makes nothing that has no meaning or no substance without the broader, 39:44.332 --> 39:47.456 [SPEAKER_03]: a gothic love, yes, that he's speaking to at the end. 39:47.836 --> 39:48.056 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. 39:48.317 --> 39:48.877 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 39:49.218 --> 39:53.082 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, so I just, and then it goes on, change your words into truth. 39:53.282 --> 39:53.823 [SPEAKER_05]: How about that? 39:54.283 --> 39:56.486 [SPEAKER_05]: And then change that truth into love. 39:56.966 --> 40:02.272 [SPEAKER_05]: And maybe our children's grandchildren, and their great grandchildren, posterity will tell 40:03.013 --> 40:19.250 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'll be loving you and then he's going to go into, you know, until the rainbows, you know, and ocean covers the dolphin flies, you know, you know, and then I just love it as he's saying all that he's just like now ain't that loving you like after he looks after he gives all of us is ain't that loving you. 40:19.931 --> 40:21.032 [SPEAKER_05]: How can I love you more? 40:21.072 --> 40:23.474 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a core apologetic. 40:23.934 --> 40:30.099 [SPEAKER_03]: But what we begin our backdrop, like pre-production of this episode was where is R&B music? 40:30.139 --> 40:32.600 [SPEAKER_03]: Where is love music without the love of God? 40:32.620 --> 40:33.221 [SPEAKER_03]: Where? 40:33.241 --> 40:34.201 [SPEAKER_03]: Without the influence. 40:34.362 --> 40:36.463 [SPEAKER_03]: In our context, the case of the church. 40:37.304 --> 40:45.530 [SPEAKER_03]: And really, that song ends with the apologetic and analysis of that, that there is no, that you will not be able to sing this song. 40:46.330 --> 40:52.513 [SPEAKER_03]: This love song cannot be sung until you embrace the deeper pure, agapic love of God. 40:52.553 --> 40:53.934 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's the source of it. 40:53.954 --> 40:54.394 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 40:54.454 --> 41:01.038 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, it's like a diminishing, it's a wondering and it's a warning at the end until this is the root. 41:02.275 --> 41:20.228 [SPEAKER_05]: that those other that other part that you love so much right that you will be disconnected from that with our own source you want you will not understand you know as I just I just it's just such a beautiful so I've just been you know bruminated you know never song for the last you know a couple days and it's just like I love it's my favorite yeah 41:20.768 --> 41:21.709 [SPEAKER_05]: You're not alone in it. 41:21.729 --> 41:23.030 [SPEAKER_05]: A shot he planted my wedding month. 41:23.210 --> 41:27.292 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know, but it's just a beautiful, it's a beautiful song. 41:27.332 --> 41:29.333 [SPEAKER_05]: And I just think about just a beauty. 41:29.514 --> 41:41.341 [SPEAKER_05]: How much more we really need to live into that love of neighbor, love of friends, love of romantic, all of the love. 41:41.361 --> 41:42.942 [SPEAKER_00]: So I love through cheers. 41:43.362 --> 41:44.702 [SPEAKER_05]: through speaking truth, right? 41:44.722 --> 41:54.104 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, as Stevie says in the song as well, but also speaking that truth and love as scripture says to, and I'm just thinking about the beauty of black love. 41:54.404 --> 41:58.345 [SPEAKER_05]: And the gift of being able to have seen that, which is my parents, I'm grateful for that. 41:58.765 --> 42:01.606 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I still seeing that love to this day because it doesn't die, right? 42:01.626 --> 42:04.046 [SPEAKER_05]: It's still seeing my mom love for my dad. 42:04.186 --> 42:06.266 [SPEAKER_05]: It's still in a way to this day, you know? 42:06.326 --> 42:08.307 [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's just beautiful, it's just beautiful. 42:08.567 --> 42:09.027 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, beautiful. 42:09.427 --> 42:13.439 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, it also, I think, if I don't understand about the fact that liars cannot love. 42:14.406 --> 42:18.167 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that love is a product of a capital T truth. 42:18.227 --> 42:19.327 [SPEAKER_03]: It'll flow from that. 42:19.927 --> 42:25.808 [SPEAKER_03]: And so there is, yeah, there's no love and deception and dishonor and distortion. 42:25.828 --> 42:30.169 [SPEAKER_03]: And so anyway, I just think that there's much for us to wrestle with. 42:30.589 --> 42:40.411 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think what creative music and art provides for us is an entry point into this deeper theological conversation for those who who those who wouldn't hear us talk directly 42:44.332 --> 42:46.313 [SPEAKER_03]: which still is needed in matters. 42:47.013 --> 42:56.576 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, just clearly state that, because people get weird out here all of a sudden, but I think that this is the door that we're able to go through. 42:57.057 --> 43:08.781 [SPEAKER_03]: And so the beauty of the world is that because of our creator guy, there are so many doors, whether you're studying oceanography or the environment or the, you know, a college cosmology or, 43:10.022 --> 43:26.323 [SPEAKER_03]: every element of the world there was witness to its creator, but certainly there's something really beautiful about music, the history of music that opens that door and then we get, we get exactly what Mr. Wanda allowed us to do was to walk to that apologetic of the real root and source of love. 43:27.484 --> 43:35.466 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's only a few musicians and you can really do that with, where you can literally just go walk through and see all the theater. 43:35.707 --> 43:49.451 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, every generation, I think every generation is gifted with every generation, every culture, everyone is gifted with that with that person who carries that creative gifting. 43:49.611 --> 43:52.152 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and it changes. 43:52.632 --> 43:56.353 [SPEAKER_03]: It changes the environment, it changes our world and we so desperately need it. 43:57.093 --> 44:03.278 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad that people said at the table as we went through this, I don't know, I'm a little impier moment as we analyze the song. 44:03.438 --> 44:07.561 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know, I just, you know, we're, you know, I love music, I just love it so much. 44:07.801 --> 44:10.603 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think, so we're a big music. 44:10.643 --> 44:17.189 [SPEAKER_05]: People even know ourselves, we are not musicians, but I do like to sing, we're just like, seeing we have our little creative things, you know? 44:17.229 --> 44:21.812 [SPEAKER_05]: And y'all know we did write the lyrics to the, they get in the word, things so I don't understand. 44:22.333 --> 44:22.893 [SPEAKER_05]: You shouldn't know that. 44:22.993 --> 44:24.834 [SPEAKER_03]: wrote a song about it like to hear it here. 44:24.874 --> 44:25.214 [SPEAKER_05]: Here I go. 44:25.434 --> 44:28.235 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but this was beautiful, which is nice to just talk about. 44:28.255 --> 44:46.082 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, just the gift of music and what it means and how God gets just gives us more another access point to beauty, you know, to take in beauty, to see, you know, God's just creativity at work, you know, in humanity. 44:46.402 --> 44:49.924 [SPEAKER_05]: And hopefully that that spurs us on to create, right? 44:52.885 --> 44:59.488 [SPEAKER_05]: to create, to persevere, to look for the source of the creativity, to be able to see, to celebrate the good, you know, we need that. 44:59.608 --> 45:01.309 [SPEAKER_05]: And we need that, we need more of that. 45:01.529 --> 45:02.830 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we need more of that. 45:02.870 --> 45:09.433 [SPEAKER_05]: That's part of a resistance is creating art, beautiful art that is transcendent. 45:09.853 --> 45:12.414 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that that lifts us beyond our moment. 45:12.955 --> 45:16.857 [SPEAKER_05]: We need that, you know, so may God, I don't know, raise up. 45:17.937 --> 45:19.217 [SPEAKER_05]: more true. 45:19.258 --> 45:21.418 [SPEAKER_03]: Raise up and encourage those who exist. 45:21.778 --> 45:23.379 [SPEAKER_03]: Because what you do really does matter. 45:23.619 --> 45:23.839 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 45:24.299 --> 45:24.920 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 45:25.180 --> 45:25.620 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 45:25.660 --> 45:37.364 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, thank you out for taking the seat at the table with this this week, talking about RMB, the evolution, you know, really other, you know, and just the beauty of everything, uh, the episode about Steve wanted to have a look at that. 45:39.765 --> 45:45.427 [SPEAKER_05]: That's really what it's about, okay, set us your thoughts, y'all about this episode. 45:45.447 --> 45:57.431 [SPEAKER_05]: You can send your thoughts to astrus table at gmail.com or you can comment on Instagram, Facebook, threads, and make sure you subscribe and rate the show on iTunes or your favorite podcast player or subscribe on Earth. 45:57.931 --> 46:02.895 [SPEAKER_05]: YouTube and black women you can join our black women's Facebook discipleship group. 46:02.935 --> 46:08.440 [SPEAKER_05]: We will have some teachings in the fall of 2025 so you don't want to, you don't want to miss that actually. 46:09.281 --> 46:16.347 [SPEAKER_05]: There's even a teaching about love actually and 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