WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:10.719 [SPEAKER_04]: This episode of True's Table is brought to you by our NAACP Image Award-nominated book, True's Table, Black Women's Musings on Life, Love, and Liberation. 00:11.140 --> 00:12.701 [SPEAKER_04]: Get it where all books are sold. 00:14.222 --> 00:15.403 [SPEAKER_02]: Sisters, how y'all feel? 00:16.150 --> 00:17.491 [SPEAKER_02]: Brothers, y'all all right? 00:17.872 --> 00:21.115 [SPEAKER_02]: If this is your first time at Truth's Table, welcome to the table. 00:21.315 --> 00:23.838 [SPEAKER_02]: And you've been sitting at the table with us all these years. 00:24.118 --> 00:33.788 [SPEAKER_02]: We are so grateful that you have been listening to us through these years, and we are inviting you to partner with us and support our work at patreon.com slash Truth's Table. 00:34.088 --> 00:37.011 [SPEAKER_02]: Now pull up a chair and have a seat at the table with us. 00:37.692 --> 00:40.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey y'all, welcome to Choose Table with May-Wise a Culture for Grace and Truth. 00:40.754 --> 00:42.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Camany, and I'm Christina. 00:42.495 --> 00:44.957 [SPEAKER_01]: This table is built by black women and for black women. 00:44.977 --> 00:47.138 [SPEAKER_01]: So welcome to the table, see how you're doing, girl. 00:47.578 --> 00:49.320 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing pretty good at how are you doing today. 00:50.657 --> 00:58.561 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, he felt a little dance, a little bit of dance, a little bit of, you know, the people who only listen, they have no idea that you just had like a whole shimmy. 00:58.681 --> 01:03.504 [SPEAKER_05]: A little shimmy, a little, that's like a little jazz hands, a little jazz hands to watch us. 01:03.684 --> 01:07.306 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, come on, come on, you can see the earrings. 01:08.047 --> 01:12.109 [SPEAKER_05]: We've decided, we decided to give bold earring choices right now. 01:12.289 --> 01:15.711 [SPEAKER_05]: You would know that if you were watching, but it's all good, but thank you at least for listening. 01:15.731 --> 01:15.951 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello. 01:16.291 --> 01:16.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you. 01:16.971 --> 01:19.152 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, we were like, we're appreciate matters. 01:19.172 --> 01:22.414 [SPEAKER_01]: We really do, you know, so, but yeah, okay. 01:22.434 --> 01:26.415 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the topic on the table today is when it all falls down. 01:26.676 --> 01:29.797 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife, being the optimist that we are. 01:29.817 --> 01:30.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right. 01:30.477 --> 01:30.637 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:30.697 --> 01:31.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:31.077 --> 01:33.398 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we're still heavy on the realists. 01:33.418 --> 01:36.320 [SPEAKER_01]: Heavy on the realists, heavy on the realists, over here. 01:36.620 --> 01:36.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:36.920 --> 01:40.662 [SPEAKER_01]: We are heavy on the reality and the hope. 01:41.082 --> 01:41.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:41.182 --> 01:43.743 [SPEAKER_01]: And knowing that fish was holding on to us. 01:43.983 --> 01:50.428 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hope is that much more beautiful when you're honest about reality, and we will not gaslight ourselves. 01:50.669 --> 01:50.849 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 01:51.650 --> 01:52.911 [SPEAKER_01]: And we will not be gas lit. 01:52.931 --> 01:53.831 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. 01:53.951 --> 02:03.519 [SPEAKER_05]: So we started having a conversation post report, pre-recording about like, you know, yeah, what if everything like falls apart? 02:04.140 --> 02:09.805 [SPEAKER_05]: I think there are people who are functioning that way behaviorally, but they're not seeing it out loud. 02:11.108 --> 02:16.373 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I wasn't exactly like, I think that's how people deal with a lot of their emotional thanks. 02:16.573 --> 02:19.816 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the behaviors expressed and they have to work backwards. 02:19.836 --> 02:20.917 [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, oh, I'm really worried. 02:21.397 --> 02:22.198 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really concerned. 02:22.478 --> 02:22.759 [SPEAKER_05]: Right. 02:23.159 --> 02:25.061 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm afraid or I'm disappointed. 02:25.701 --> 02:29.445 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think there are people who are who are functioning that way. 02:30.205 --> 02:33.849 [SPEAKER_05]: They have changed like their spending habits or their travel plans or 02:34.749 --> 02:48.279 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, they've gotten really serious about things that would have been something they thought of like long-term, happening in their lives, that they wanted to happen like right now, or you know, because they just feel a sense of like urgency or like social change or social disruption happening. 02:49.059 --> 03:00.227 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think people do that in different ways, but I thought it might be interesting for us to have a conversation just like, uh, just, well, what, what if we intentionally didn't think about like the behavior working out, but like just thought about it like, 03:03.889 --> 03:04.489 [SPEAKER_05]: where we are. 03:04.509 --> 03:07.910 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're talking like social politically, the church, you got it. 03:08.010 --> 03:09.510 [SPEAKER_01]: And nomically, I mean, in every way. 03:09.550 --> 03:10.090 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah. 03:10.130 --> 03:13.071 [SPEAKER_05]: Not because we want that to be like, I actually would really like to be wrong. 03:13.371 --> 03:13.971 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to be wrong. 03:13.991 --> 03:15.371 [SPEAKER_05]: I would like to be wrong. 03:15.551 --> 03:16.312 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to be wrong. 03:16.872 --> 03:29.634 [SPEAKER_05]: But but in a sense that, you know, we watched the few apocalyptic shows, the two, to do this thought exercise and I actually think in doing that, that dramatizing that exercise, not just in your 03:33.692 --> 03:44.857 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm 04:00.723 --> 04:03.425 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, when it all falls down, let's do it. 04:04.105 --> 04:14.331 [SPEAKER_01]: So when it all falls down, so we're thinking economics, some of the things that have been on the table, we see that the dollar is weakening, and we see some other currencies. 04:14.491 --> 04:15.312 [SPEAKER_01]: No, everything's fine. 04:15.352 --> 04:25.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Coming in with the other currencies coming up, you know, we see the weakening power of the passport, the American passport, the blue. 04:25.078 --> 04:25.998 [SPEAKER_01]: No, everything's fine. 04:26.018 --> 04:26.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what? 04:28.360 --> 04:34.102 [SPEAKER_01]: So what does that mean for people that might want to leave, you know, and establish a life somewhere else? 04:35.963 --> 04:46.808 [SPEAKER_01]: We see now the threats to people's 401ks and every time in it comes and what that looks obviously, that has implications for all our recessions and all of that because the money dips, because can I raise a stock market? 04:47.088 --> 04:47.248 [SPEAKER_05]: Great. 04:47.289 --> 04:47.949 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a kind of business. 04:48.049 --> 04:49.870 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but with a new world order. 04:50.590 --> 04:56.496 [SPEAKER_01]: then that means economic system and all of that's going to change or or be dismantled or collapse. 04:56.536 --> 04:59.259 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know all of those things are on the table. 05:00.500 --> 05:03.664 [SPEAKER_01]: So what does that look like, you know, when maybe 05:05.478 --> 05:12.622 [SPEAKER_01]: our currency or the way that we are economic systems that we have been, you know, our custom to using the whatnot changes, you know, shifts. 05:12.682 --> 05:13.542 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that look like? 05:13.822 --> 05:14.042 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 05:14.362 --> 05:30.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, how do you say for the future when that, you know, when if if if I think if, um, if retirement does it look how we thought it would, you know, we put a whole lot of stock into, yeah, no pun intended into my mind. 05:30.991 --> 05:31.831 [SPEAKER_01]: All the time. 05:31.991 --> 05:33.072 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, um, 05:34.453 --> 05:42.260 [SPEAKER_01]: What about when our health care systems begin to erode and collapse? 05:42.761 --> 05:45.523 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean for our own care, our own health? 05:46.244 --> 05:49.527 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I write even now it's hard to get vaccines right now. 05:49.547 --> 05:51.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the care of loved ones. 05:51.970 --> 05:53.932 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just trying to set the scene once again. 05:53.952 --> 05:54.152 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 05:54.532 --> 05:55.592 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so very depressing. 05:55.793 --> 05:56.373 [SPEAKER_01]: That's plenty. 05:56.393 --> 05:59.154 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to think. 05:59.234 --> 05:59.594 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see. 05:59.814 --> 06:03.616 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the other sociologically? 06:03.636 --> 06:07.877 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess there is this like, and again, she just details us. 06:08.117 --> 06:10.658 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the last days, the hearts of many will wax cold. 06:11.079 --> 06:12.939 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're seeing that lovelessness, right? 06:15.040 --> 06:16.001 [SPEAKER_01]: one neighbor to another. 06:16.081 --> 06:19.224 [SPEAKER_01]: We see that in the even the dating world. 06:19.244 --> 06:26.530 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of this keeping score and I did this and do I who pays and how much should I? 06:26.570 --> 06:32.394 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't even know how much of that comes from the people you know the people and then 06:33.315 --> 06:38.680 [SPEAKER_05]: the people are reflecting in the social media or how much of that is social media propaganda that's shaping people. 06:38.700 --> 06:41.703 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I feel like there's a symbiotic. 06:41.803 --> 06:46.927 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a negative feedback loop, but that is destroying our community specifically. 06:46.987 --> 06:47.307 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 06:48.228 --> 06:51.111 [SPEAKER_01]: I can always speak really for our community in the ways to watch. 06:51.151 --> 06:53.093 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't see this name dynamic playing out. 06:53.673 --> 06:54.333 [SPEAKER_05]: with other groups. 06:54.434 --> 06:56.795 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't say, I mean, I've seen this ring group always. 06:56.875 --> 07:00.597 [SPEAKER_05]: Matters of the heart are always some of the most controversial matters. 07:00.737 --> 07:01.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 07:01.998 --> 07:02.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 07:02.538 --> 07:05.800 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so I'm trying to think, is there any other little area? 07:05.820 --> 07:11.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's many, there's many other areas to think about, or even, oh, housing crisis. 07:12.744 --> 07:13.965 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, what about that? 07:15.055 --> 07:35.229 [SPEAKER_01]: So the rising cost of a home ownership rent increased interest rates and things like that making it harder to buy cars and used or new the tariffs and that how that's increasing our grocery prices are electricity bills going up because for a matter of reasons but 07:43.735 --> 08:09.851 [SPEAKER_01]: All those things, when AI attacks, you know, so whatever you mean, all those things, you know, yeah, using a ball of the water and those data centers that are being put into black neighborhoods, like the one they're trying to now push into PG County and Maryland, one of the richest black, is it the richest of but county in the US, I think, if not one is two things, they exist in the state of Maryland. 08:09.971 --> 08:12.253 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it's anyway in Montgomery. 08:12.633 --> 08:20.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, anyway, I think that's a pretty bleak picture of all of the many, there's so much of course. 08:20.997 --> 08:27.080 [SPEAKER_01]: I had you and talked about the geopolitics and the wars right that are raging in the multiple genocide scene. 08:27.120 --> 08:32.903 [SPEAKER_01]: It was free Palestine, it was the genocide that's going on and the attacks going on in Congo, right? 08:32.923 --> 08:35.524 [SPEAKER_01]: The destabilization in Haiti is a lot going on. 08:36.525 --> 08:37.165 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do we do, 08:41.727 --> 08:48.270 [SPEAKER_01]: that war comes to our shores, I'm not trying to scare you, but I do think we have to tell them what happened. 08:48.550 --> 08:51.952 [SPEAKER_01]: And to what's really happened before, you know, what do we do? 08:52.332 --> 08:55.013 [SPEAKER_01]: If there's some sort of invasion, what do we do? 08:55.533 --> 08:58.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they do say that the job market is going to be shifting. 08:58.134 --> 09:03.437 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I want to say, well, you said invasion, but I mean, what if there's social unrest amongst the people who are already here? 09:03.457 --> 09:06.478 [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, I think yes, I think that's more likely than the American story. 09:06.698 --> 09:08.179 [SPEAKER_05]: Mmm, yeah, another under the story. 09:08.199 --> 09:09.920 [SPEAKER_05]: Because you know, we're done that before. 09:10.660 --> 09:13.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and there was a whole insurrection in January 2020. 09:13.602 --> 09:14.242 [SPEAKER_01]: They warmed up. 09:14.302 --> 09:14.883 [SPEAKER_01]: They warmed it up. 09:15.663 --> 09:17.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so there's that. 09:17.324 --> 09:23.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then there's just so many different factors and things happening. 09:23.387 --> 09:24.668 [SPEAKER_01]: So so what do we do? 09:24.768 --> 09:29.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, in the job market changing, they said that they're like careers are somewhat dead. 09:30.011 --> 09:30.992 [SPEAKER_01]: So they've said in that 09:32.312 --> 09:52.162 [SPEAKER_01]: part of it is because of the um proliferation of AI and that people will become more free lanterns but i want to say it was 234 that's what i thought i saw i could be wrong on that but y'all can factually that's not far that's not from the breakdown of actual office where people are not only free lanterns but they are 09:52.942 --> 09:56.084 [SPEAKER_05]: working outside of a in person community. 09:56.384 --> 09:57.925 [SPEAKER_05]: And that has all kinds of consequences. 09:57.986 --> 10:01.328 [SPEAKER_05]: He put on thinking about the way that that obviously great benefit. 10:01.348 --> 10:03.049 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's all kinds of benefits to it. 10:03.269 --> 10:05.751 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, kind of the way you book and live their lives or agency, they travel. 10:05.771 --> 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10:30.681 --> 10:31.581 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have much more. 10:31.841 --> 10:37.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the population is it's flipped in that there's more single people than there are Mary people now. 10:38.702 --> 10:40.443 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, that's that's the context. 10:43.203 --> 10:44.664 [SPEAKER_01]: So, where did all falls apart? 10:44.784 --> 10:45.665 [SPEAKER_01]: What sounds great? 10:47.465 --> 10:54.369 [SPEAKER_01]: What are some things that we can do on an FDA and a lot of our food is not being regulated in the ways that it had been in the past, right? 10:54.889 --> 11:02.693 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, what do we do about our diet, meaning I don't mean like weight loss, I'm saying, are actual literal, what do we eat? 11:02.813 --> 11:03.974 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we put in our mouth? 11:04.014 --> 11:04.774 [SPEAKER_01]: We're ingest. 11:05.395 --> 11:05.975 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we drink? 11:06.235 --> 11:06.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 11:06.915 --> 11:09.897 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the quality of that from water to juices too. 11:10.597 --> 11:12.738 [SPEAKER_01]: either alcoholic beverages, just mocked, whatever. 11:13.039 --> 11:18.882 [SPEAKER_01]: What it is that you could assume, what is in our food and how do we do that? 11:18.902 --> 11:21.664 [SPEAKER_01]: So what does that look like even from a practical standpoint, right? 11:21.724 --> 11:28.949 [SPEAKER_01]: So if for some reason there was famine in the land, our chain supplies don't hold, what do we do in that event? 11:29.289 --> 11:29.489 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 11:30.470 --> 11:33.031 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think the average person knows that? 11:33.211 --> 11:34.812 [SPEAKER_05]: Like the list that we just talked about? 11:34.832 --> 11:34.872 [SPEAKER_05]: No. 11:37.145 --> 11:37.946 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't, I'm serious. 11:38.006 --> 11:40.651 [SPEAKER_01]: But I literally just had a conversation with somebody. 11:40.671 --> 11:42.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Today who didn't I know? 11:43.116 --> 11:46.403 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't even know about the National Guard in DC. 11:47.448 --> 11:48.309 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, really? 11:48.829 --> 11:59.275 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, so yeah, I think there are some people that have, you know, checked out or tuned out are like, oh, I don't take in the endless, but the news will take you in, though, if you're not aware. 11:59.315 --> 12:01.777 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like when the people that say, you know, I don't do politics. 12:01.837 --> 12:04.238 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well politics is getting into you. 12:04.258 --> 12:05.019 [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting into you, 2025. 12:05.239 --> 12:05.519 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:05.879 --> 12:09.441 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, there's not like, there we can't opt out. 12:10.202 --> 12:11.283 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not marketing email. 12:11.303 --> 12:12.844 [SPEAKER_01]: You could just opt out of the, yeah. 12:13.784 --> 12:18.529 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been up to them, yeah, it's coming, you know, it's I think there are some that are very aware. 12:18.569 --> 12:19.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I think our audience is aware. 12:20.552 --> 12:24.216 [SPEAKER_01]: I think our audience is aware of the things that we're lifting up. 12:24.896 --> 12:28.821 [SPEAKER_01]: There might be some newcomers to the table who, you know, may not be, um, 12:29.401 --> 12:31.581 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've not been with Trish Table through the years. 12:31.621 --> 12:34.582 [SPEAKER_01]: I think our audience is, but there are some people that just don't know. 12:34.662 --> 12:35.702 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's ignorance. 12:35.722 --> 12:38.883 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean that in a projorative sense, they just do not know. 12:38.903 --> 12:39.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 12:40.043 --> 12:41.303 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've chosen, though. 12:41.343 --> 12:41.644 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 12:41.704 --> 12:42.364 [SPEAKER_01]: To not know. 12:42.384 --> 12:42.904 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 12:43.244 --> 12:43.504 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure. 12:43.524 --> 12:44.204 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a choice. 12:44.464 --> 12:45.504 [SPEAKER_01]: And to be 25. 12:45.544 --> 12:46.885 [SPEAKER_01]: To not know, right? 12:46.905 --> 12:48.505 [SPEAKER_01]: What all the social media and everything that we have. 12:48.525 --> 12:48.845 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 12:48.905 --> 12:51.326 [SPEAKER_05]: So there's a lack of trust in sources, right, too. 12:51.486 --> 12:51.706 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah. 12:51.726 --> 12:52.306 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm faredist. 12:52.386 --> 12:55.266 [SPEAKER_05]: People are like, well, I don't know what's a credible source of word writing. 12:55.286 --> 12:55.666 [SPEAKER_05]: Go. 12:56.347 --> 12:58.147 [SPEAKER_05]: But what used to be credible is not credible anymore. 12:59.127 --> 13:04.172 [SPEAKER_05]: But now we're at a place where I think people have tried to insulate themselves from the bad feelings. 13:04.272 --> 13:10.357 [SPEAKER_05]: Because even going to that list, as you name some of the things that you talked about, I know I certainly can feel that in my body. 13:10.377 --> 13:11.417 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you could too. 13:11.918 --> 13:14.520 [SPEAKER_05]: And somebody who's listening, I think they would be able to feel that as well. 13:15.140 --> 13:19.044 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think there's a lot of incentive, temporary incentives. 13:19.624 --> 13:21.325 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure, because they only temporary. 13:21.345 --> 13:22.145 [SPEAKER_05]: It's only temporary. 13:22.265 --> 13:30.028 [SPEAKER_05]: Other ignoring or or still relying away, some of the dynamics that are happening, right? 13:30.228 --> 13:33.009 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think we've, again, we chose to talk about it. 13:33.029 --> 13:40.612 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not because we're Debbie Downers, but because we want to give them an opportunity to come from outside of the body. 13:40.752 --> 13:41.393 [SPEAKER_05]: So actually, 13:42.213 --> 13:43.653 [SPEAKER_05]: pick some to pick some holes in it. 13:43.673 --> 13:47.055 [SPEAKER_05]: There's some holes that can be picked, but also just to be like, what if this is what it is? 13:47.895 --> 13:57.778 [SPEAKER_05]: How then do we respond on what what you know we talked about this you know this season as well like what what anchors us, what keeps us steady in the mix of this and these are things that they even you just described that are. 13:58.258 --> 13:59.679 [SPEAKER_05]: there are huge issues. 13:59.719 --> 14:01.019 [SPEAKER_05]: Like there are big problems. 14:01.840 --> 14:10.023 [SPEAKER_05]: Most of us don't have access direct access to the people who are responsible or have power over those matters that you just named. 14:10.223 --> 14:10.403 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 14:10.503 --> 14:21.107 [SPEAKER_05]: Or some of them are so systemic and like and baked in that it's hard to like peel through the dysfunctioned even for a really great intervention like the one around relationships and loneliness, right? 14:21.628 --> 14:21.748 [SPEAKER_05]: So 14:22.976 --> 14:26.497 [SPEAKER_05]: but yet we still have an opportunity to dig through like what happens. 14:26.517 --> 14:33.720 [SPEAKER_05]: I was curious, you know, in your mind, if you were to think about what's your social worst case scenario? 14:35.380 --> 14:37.261 [SPEAKER_05]: And how would you respond? 14:37.301 --> 14:38.521 [SPEAKER_05]: What is your faith? 14:39.282 --> 14:41.863 [SPEAKER_05]: What is your, what are your convictions, lead you? 14:43.123 --> 14:45.504 [SPEAKER_05]: Where do they lead you into first responding over that? 14:46.822 --> 15:02.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess for me, the worst case scenario, I guess like kind of what comes to mind is, I mean, at least for me, what I keep envisioning, and because in the beginning of the year, I was reading, you know, doing one of my hobbies, which is puzzling. 15:03.349 --> 15:03.869 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 15:03.929 --> 15:04.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 15:04.750 --> 15:11.773 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was listening to Octavia, the late Octavia Butler's Parable of the Saur. 15:11.793 --> 15:12.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 15:12.933 --> 15:14.174 [SPEAKER_01]: And Parable of the Talents. 15:14.874 --> 15:17.275 [SPEAKER_01]: which feels very much like a documentary at this point. 15:17.295 --> 15:18.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, we have a sci-fi. 15:19.055 --> 15:20.116 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fictional. 15:21.776 --> 15:22.416 [SPEAKER_01]: Careful. 15:22.456 --> 15:23.677 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's feeling blurry. 15:25.057 --> 15:25.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Not fiction. 15:25.897 --> 15:28.078 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not fiction. 15:28.198 --> 15:28.758 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun. 15:29.118 --> 15:30.218 [SPEAKER_01]: Historically present. 15:31.639 --> 15:33.219 [SPEAKER_01]: It's what it's giving. 15:34.019 --> 15:35.680 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, my gosh. 15:35.720 --> 15:42.742 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, from the president of that and in the book, that's described very much. 15:42.862 --> 15:43.042 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 15:43.562 --> 15:47.747 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, given what the man in the White House is given. 15:48.387 --> 15:52.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, seriously, down to the, um, the Christian Nationals. 15:52.451 --> 15:59.799 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, it is, yeah, I mean, it's like she was seeing, you know, the, um, the through like she was seeing where we would end up. 16:00.239 --> 16:02.460 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even in her interview, she says that, right. 16:03.681 --> 16:05.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Even back then, she could see it. 16:06.043 --> 16:14.868 [SPEAKER_01]: So honestly, in those times, it was a very much survival of the fitness or in that context, let me say. 16:16.609 --> 16:23.452 [SPEAKER_01]: you had to fend for yourself, communities of care because people were so destitute and poor. 16:24.272 --> 16:26.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Food is not plentiful in the land. 16:27.613 --> 16:30.014 [SPEAKER_01]: You had to carry a weapon on you and I'm like, 16:31.803 --> 16:38.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I'm definitely not not that girl. 16:39.367 --> 16:44.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness, I'm in so, uh, because I'm going to have just toughen up at some point. 16:44.610 --> 16:45.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry. 16:45.631 --> 16:46.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, things are going. 16:46.751 --> 16:49.593 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's just, um, it was very much like, 16:51.273 --> 17:11.521 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a hypervigilance and it wasn't imagined they had to be hypervigilant because it was very much like if another group runs up on your group They may kill you so what you have that was the context of what it was and so I guess what I see I don't know I really do feel strongly that we are so deeply 17:12.461 --> 17:28.634 [SPEAKER_01]: unsafe, and I'm not trying to scare y'all, but I do want to be honest, you know, our national security is so deeply weakened and so deeply compromised, and so I do see, you know, 17:30.215 --> 17:42.138 [SPEAKER_01]: somehow getting into at least a war, and what that might mean if that happens on our soil, I don't know. 17:42.158 --> 17:44.938 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be a civil. 17:45.058 --> 17:45.738 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see that. 17:45.838 --> 17:50.780 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see that coming up, particularly with this gerrymandering battle. 17:50.820 --> 17:52.540 [SPEAKER_01]: That to me is just like, oh, this is very clearly. 17:53.080 --> 17:53.640 [SPEAKER_01]: like happening. 17:53.921 --> 18:11.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Even now with the on the west coast, some of the states on the west coast bend together to kind of form their own CDC, you know, to protect, you know, and just kind of disseminate information and something because things are getting so fractured within the nation is yet to be United States, right? 18:12.834 --> 18:13.495 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I can see. 18:14.315 --> 18:27.187 [SPEAKER_01]: internal war in factions rising up, but I can also see external forces coming coming in, and that is absolutely very, very scary. 18:28.328 --> 18:38.077 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can see because of the rugged individualism and the lovelessness and the lack of care for a neighbor, where it's just, it's about me and mine. 18:38.417 --> 18:40.659 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I don't mean us for no more. 18:41.019 --> 18:49.826 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can see that those those lack that like the lack of mutual aid and mutual care, you know, for one another. 18:49.866 --> 18:53.009 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like you're going to have to come up with your your bubble. 18:53.029 --> 18:57.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember in the pandemic, I mean, we had our bubble, you know, of people. 18:58.013 --> 19:00.374 [SPEAKER_01]: And I can see that again coming back again. 19:00.394 --> 19:02.296 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to talk about the pestilence. 19:02.336 --> 19:03.097 [SPEAKER_01]: My gosh, that's a whole 19:03.997 --> 19:11.505 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole other topic, um, uh, but I can see those like, uh, another resurgence of like, who is your bubble? 19:11.565 --> 19:12.446 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's in your bubble? 19:12.486 --> 19:22.235 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's in your community of K, uh, where it's like, we are, we are banding together, us 10, us 15, us 5, whatever, um, the sizes, and we are a house. 19:23.076 --> 19:26.539 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's very much giving, um, the hunger games. 19:27.260 --> 19:30.243 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's that it's a worse case scenario. 19:30.343 --> 19:44.756 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the worst case scenario from me that I see where it's like we have to Bending if I don't know if that means we're living in our own little compound or show somebody's house is the the safe house You know, and then maybe you retreat to go get your stuff from your place. 19:44.876 --> 19:45.297 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 19:45.317 --> 19:51.803 [SPEAKER_01]: I think all of that is on it as we'll be on the table And so in some ways, I'm trying to think man like 19:53.408 --> 19:58.951 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be nice to be able to save, you know, some money, you know, just to always should be ready. 19:59.031 --> 20:04.454 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have the ability, the agility to, you know, to move and stick and move and do what you need to do. 20:05.894 --> 20:12.157 [SPEAKER_01]: And to try to, I don't know, stockpile food and things like that can good and stuff like that. 20:12.177 --> 20:17.620 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying I've done those things, but I'm just acting that I think we are going to get to a point where we're going to have to do those things. 20:22.600 --> 20:23.162 [SPEAKER_01]: That is that. 20:23.724 --> 20:26.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we go to your, sure, worst case scenarios. 20:27.034 --> 20:29.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, because that's pretty bleak. 20:30.553 --> 20:37.338 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it's not, I mean, it's just, well, I'm not trying to, I think it's hard because when we, we have prophetic gifts. 20:38.179 --> 20:49.386 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have, so I'm just so for us, it's, I didn't, we've been wrestling with these things for some time, but I recognize that this can be a lot for people that are listening like, what? 20:49.607 --> 20:52.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause we could just talk about it like, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be that, man. 20:53.104 --> 20:54.666 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'll pass the lamb chops with you. 20:54.986 --> 20:57.809 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you know, they're doing great to you today, by the way. 20:58.150 --> 20:59.311 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you love a lamb chop. 20:59.391 --> 21:14.128 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying like, you know, we can, for us, it can be sometimes a normal conversation because that's some are gifts operate, you know, in that area, but I recognize that everybody's gift is not there and everybody has not had to reckon with that. 21:14.228 --> 21:25.256 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do, I want us to take a break for you to pause, for you to take that in, for you to wipe tears, if you need to wipe tears, to pray just to get it out of the body. 21:25.276 --> 21:38.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Get it out of the body and you can pace yourself through this episode, but I do want to say that out loud that I recognize that this conversation is not normal, maybe for, and there's plenty of people and leaders who actually are talking this way. 21:38.166 --> 21:39.367 [SPEAKER_05]: They just haven't said it out loud. 21:39.887 --> 21:44.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, oh absolutely absolutely and they probably actually started preparing. 21:44.469 --> 21:45.550 [SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you more than I have. 21:45.770 --> 21:56.875 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure But yeah, but let's take a quick commercial break to pause Got to yourself breathe and when you come back to the table we'll be here talking about when it all falls apart 22:01.042 --> 22:10.530 [SPEAKER_04]: Our NAACP Image Award-nominated book, Truth Table, Black Women's Musings on Life, Love, and Liberation, is making waves 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22:59.233 [SPEAKER_03]: We are in a desert of truth right now. 22:59.253 --> 23:02.338 [SPEAKER_03]: There seems to be lots of lies happening last night. 23:02.358 --> 23:11.272 [SPEAKER_03]: And so with you some of the ideas of promoting security in any way, shape, or form, we invite you to partner with true staple and become one of our Patreon supporters. 23:11.432 --> 23:34.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, actually when you become a support, you actually get the episodes a couple days before the rest of the world Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 23:34.273 --> 23:35.494 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's been in my imagination. 23:35.615 --> 23:37.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's been just... We'll be talking about the things. 23:37.637 --> 23:38.017 [SPEAKER_01]: So wait for it. 23:38.137 --> 23:39.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Join our community today. 23:39.639 --> 23:42.101 [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you for your... for sitting at the table with us all these years. 23:42.642 --> 23:42.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye, y'all. 23:43.142 --> 23:44.804 [SPEAKER_02]: We are back at the table. 23:44.864 --> 23:45.205 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 23:45.425 --> 23:47.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Talking about when it all falls apart. 23:47.587 --> 23:49.029 [SPEAKER_02]: Really, it all falls down, so. 23:49.049 --> 23:50.110 [SPEAKER_02]: Really, I have to miss the topic. 23:50.610 --> 23:51.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 23:51.992 --> 23:52.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Very. 23:53.233 --> 23:53.853 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, standard. 23:54.353 --> 23:54.914 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no. 23:54.974 --> 23:55.734 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exercise. 23:56.054 --> 24:04.477 [SPEAKER_01]: But so you also, I laid out kind of the scenario, kind of the worst because I didn't talk about how AI, you know, I'm still a very much AI. 24:04.537 --> 24:07.198 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't talk about when AI attacks. 24:07.218 --> 24:08.899 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I believe that it's going on. 24:09.639 --> 24:11.680 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I just feel like we feed the AI. 24:11.800 --> 24:13.920 [SPEAKER_01]: And AI is going to spit that thing back to us. 24:14.621 --> 24:15.761 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to take on hit us. 24:15.781 --> 24:16.501 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you saying? 24:16.521 --> 24:18.222 [SPEAKER_05]: You say, like Mr. AI. 24:18.702 --> 24:18.982 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:19.822 --> 24:20.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause in tech bros, man. 24:22.103 --> 24:25.208 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tech Brothers Monk is lit A. I'm watching. 24:25.429 --> 24:26.550 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see. 24:26.751 --> 24:28.133 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the real issue, is this? 24:28.173 --> 24:28.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it. 24:29.054 --> 24:29.956 [SPEAKER_05]: That's it. 24:30.076 --> 24:32.300 [SPEAKER_05]: It is definitely the Tech Brothers. 24:32.360 --> 24:32.941 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:33.542 --> 24:34.363 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 24:35.762 --> 24:40.563 [SPEAKER_05]: The socks, the, all hooked up and cooked up with others, other systems, yeah. 24:40.684 --> 24:41.044 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh sure. 24:41.284 --> 24:43.424 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's a powerful party. 24:44.165 --> 24:46.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Mary, Mary, my gosh. 24:46.585 --> 24:48.726 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even talk about that, but, you know, that's all right. 24:49.106 --> 24:53.628 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what, okay, for you, what, what do you, what do you envision? 24:54.188 --> 24:55.508 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you, you see? 24:56.008 --> 25:02.430 [SPEAKER_01]: As like, ooh, the worst kind of worst case scenario of what, what if all falls apart? 25:02.450 --> 25:03.931 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that look like in your own? 25:05.331 --> 25:08.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from your own vantage point, you're on imagination. 25:08.074 --> 25:18.326 [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, I think if I let my mind just rambles to its worst case social imagination, but centering the states, I mean, obviously there's a global impact level. 25:18.346 --> 25:19.667 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're just focused here. 25:21.541 --> 25:29.246 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I think, so I use to think because I do, you know, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. 25:29.406 --> 25:45.858 [SPEAKER_05]: So I use to think that the threat of loss of money and the idle of comfort for your average American would be enough to restrain them from political co-signate that could cause them. 25:46.378 --> 25:59.107 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not only came out externally, but like them personally, to have something negative impact it, but I think that's why I think we're dealing with more than just people's personal survival and kind of self-focused. 25:59.567 --> 26:09.073 [SPEAKER_05]: I do think that there is a spiritual component at work that has created a sense in which people aren't even thinking about what's in their best personal survival interests. 26:09.734 --> 26:10.254 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, um, 26:11.615 --> 26:12.256 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not scary. 26:12.576 --> 26:13.577 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, exactly. 26:13.977 --> 26:26.228 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think that I think that when I think about worst case scenario, I think about just social chaos and destruction, even amongst even amongst and for the people who have the power now. 26:27.008 --> 26:35.052 [SPEAKER_05]: to go in a different direction, because the different direction would require, I mean, we've talked about this before with some other folks and have absolutely mentioned it. 26:35.432 --> 26:43.256 [SPEAKER_05]: Those people I work with in like social sciences around who do work around, around race and injustice and that kind of stuff. 26:43.276 --> 26:48.659 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we've been saying this for quite some time that there aren't many offices on the table. 26:48.719 --> 26:54.442 [SPEAKER_05]: It is a pro-democracy, multicultural pluralistic society or, 26:56.544 --> 27:10.805 [SPEAKER_05]: or it is a white supremacist Christian asseless distorted military kind of extorted or use a model is you know and so that those are really like the two tracks and I think 27:11.867 --> 27:26.490 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and there's all kinds of, there's all kind of data behind why I'm saying what I'm saying, you know, so I just my vibes, but um, but I, but I think that that the first one, which doesn't seem crazy to me is so ugly and repulsive. 27:27.665 --> 27:37.075 [SPEAKER_05]: to white supremacist Christian nationalism that it would be willing to destroy itself as a martyr as it destroys that one on the table. 27:37.696 --> 27:41.761 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't have a theological framework where I have an expectation that the world is Christian. 27:41.801 --> 27:45.224 [SPEAKER_05]: As a matter of fact, I would say that like historic authentic Christianity is like 27:45.925 --> 28:09.670 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like we don't have that expectation at all, so but I think if you believe that that's your calling or you use that as as a narrative so that you can advance your own kind of domination and pocketbook then you you really in the name of Jesus, take the Lord's name and vein, you go about pursuing this kind of wisely premises Christian nationalist kingdom in the world. 28:10.270 --> 28:20.456 [SPEAKER_05]: which is what I think we have, and I think even amongst our governmental systems, everyone isn't following that camp that I just described, but that is one of the camps. 28:20.536 --> 28:31.182 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's another crew that I just think, now they are your like straight-up money people, and the thing about your straight-up money people, like they, they're like, look, I just want to accumulate as much wealth as possible. 28:31.202 --> 28:33.523 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no stopping point for me. 28:37.825 --> 28:40.327 [SPEAKER_05]: Why would I think that a billion dollars is enough money? 28:40.487 --> 28:44.189 [SPEAKER_05]: Like why would I think that like I should have as much as I'm able to make it. 28:44.810 --> 28:47.392 [SPEAKER_05]: Like my enough is as much as I can possibly get, right? 28:48.172 --> 28:58.960 [SPEAKER_05]: And so that crew is slightly different because that crew actually shifts in changes based on the opportunity or or a sense that like there's going to be an economic risk for them. 28:59.520 --> 29:02.722 [SPEAKER_05]: They adjust because they're like, I care about this money, right? 29:03.663 --> 29:06.525 [SPEAKER_05]: That's different than that Christian Nationalist group. 29:07.065 --> 29:14.210 [SPEAKER_05]: because they have, that group actually in some ways is a slightly, that's a scarier crew, but they are hooked up there. 29:15.070 --> 29:21.955 [SPEAKER_05]: And then I think you have overlapping, you have your folks in the mix who just really are. 29:22.795 --> 29:26.939 [SPEAKER_05]: committed to their kind of cultural racialized domination. 29:27.119 --> 29:36.407 [SPEAKER_05]: And so they really know the reality in 2050, we have this demographic shift in the country that is on its way. 29:36.427 --> 29:38.048 [SPEAKER_05]: So how do you stop that? 29:38.488 --> 29:42.572 [SPEAKER_05]: You have to stop that through mass incarceration, mass deportation, and violence. 29:43.313 --> 29:45.434 [SPEAKER_05]: You have to literally reduce the numbers of people. 29:45.655 --> 29:46.035 [SPEAKER_05]: And so 29:49.444 --> 29:53.827 [SPEAKER_05]: that crew together I think is just in a petri dish of shenanigans. 29:54.588 --> 30:03.133 [SPEAKER_05]: And I do think we need a divine intervention to resist it to to stop it at this point. 30:03.514 --> 30:05.275 [SPEAKER_05]: But I but I don't think that they will stop. 30:05.295 --> 30:07.356 [SPEAKER_05]: They're not going to stop themselves, right? 30:07.676 --> 30:09.958 [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, Pharaoh had to be stopped. 30:10.198 --> 30:16.322 [SPEAKER_05]: Pharaoh had an epiphany because the and I would say it wasn't just because of the love 30:19.104 --> 30:23.765 [SPEAKER_05]: It was a killing of his legacy, the comments, put his son man. 30:23.986 --> 30:27.907 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, but that caused him for a moment to have a bit of a hiccup, right? 30:27.947 --> 30:37.370 [SPEAKER_05]: This kind of unrepentant pharaoh to have a bit of a hiccup because of just how persistent and powerful these plagues were the things that he could not avoid feeling himself. 30:37.770 --> 30:39.250 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the thing about injustice. 30:39.290 --> 30:42.471 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a forest fire, you can think of like, okay, this is just to make keep me warm. 30:42.951 --> 30:45.112 [SPEAKER_05]: But then next thing you know, you're getting burned, right? 30:45.132 --> 30:46.912 [SPEAKER_05]: You can't control, you're, you can't control sin, 30:48.753 --> 30:51.156 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think that's what's happening with this crew too. 30:51.617 --> 31:00.008 [SPEAKER_05]: And, but I think within that group, you have people who are willing to suffer as long as other suffer. 31:01.490 --> 31:23.770 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the part that is because they take pleasure and seeing others for even if it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's 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had a civil war. 31:51.265 --> 31:55.869 [SPEAKER_05]: And the reason why we had a civil war was because of, was because of white supremacy. 31:55.929 --> 31:57.710 [SPEAKER_05]: That's why we had a civil war in this country. 31:58.130 --> 32:00.813 [SPEAKER_05]: And if we have another civil war, it will be for the same reason. 32:00.833 --> 32:01.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we never killed it. 32:01.894 --> 32:04.076 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we exactly exactly. 32:05.877 --> 32:14.242 [SPEAKER_05]: And now I would say, along with the philosophy of the Confederacy, which is just permeates through American culture, where you live, you can live in the most northern tip of the United States. 32:14.462 --> 32:15.502 [SPEAKER_05]: All that is everywhere. 32:15.703 --> 32:17.163 [SPEAKER_05]: That philosophy is everywhere. 32:17.844 --> 32:22.847 [SPEAKER_05]: I would say that it's even more ingrained now as we try to snatch out history in primary sources. 32:23.567 --> 32:32.032 [SPEAKER_05]: And as we are inundated by this kind of tech-controlled social media, I just, that is my concern 32:33.633 --> 32:37.576 [SPEAKER_05]: our neighbors will make us into enemies and feel justified and responding in any way. 32:39.338 --> 32:43.922 [SPEAKER_05]: And for people who love who love peace, not fake peace, but real peace who want to live simply. 32:43.942 --> 32:47.745 [SPEAKER_05]: That's just that's a really sad painful thought. 32:48.425 --> 32:51.208 [SPEAKER_05]: As an educator, I know that we can educate beyond. 32:51.248 --> 32:53.350 [SPEAKER_05]: We cannot educate people out of immorality. 32:54.110 --> 33:01.772 [SPEAKER_05]: and coldness and cruelty, there's already a sense of repentance that has to take place in the student's heart to be receptive to learning. 33:01.792 --> 33:05.953 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm using Christian language to describe the learning process, but that's really what it takes. 33:05.993 --> 33:08.314 [SPEAKER_05]: So we can't teach our way into an enlightenment. 33:08.894 --> 33:14.936 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think some of my more progressive, you know, progressives at one time might think, like, this is a matter of just like understanding. 33:15.076 --> 33:16.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's too much to enter into it. 33:17.176 --> 33:17.857 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. 33:17.897 --> 33:18.217 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. 33:18.557 --> 33:21.178 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, no, this isn't about what people know. 33:21.398 --> 33:21.778 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, 33:23.358 --> 33:41.393 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, and so so we need all the above so that that makes me sad and again I think we can tell the truth because I still hold hope for an intervention a divine intervention a miraculous intervention in that and that can come in a whole variety of forms by the way It can be all kinds of things remember 33:42.153 --> 33:50.522 [SPEAKER_05]: The creation itself can be used to get us to a place where there has to be some kind of reset or pause that takes place. 33:50.602 --> 34:05.077 [SPEAKER_05]: But that's my hope, but that is my hope is that that will happen, but what I see if I let my mind completely go His course as another us civil war, again with the same reason behind it, which is white supremacy. 34:05.762 --> 34:11.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, how would that, what, what our lives look like in the midst of that? 34:12.093 --> 34:19.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're in a mission for, yeah, in the event that there is another, um, so war, which there was a movie called, so war, yeah, which. 34:19.844 --> 34:46.321 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way it's the way 34:46.901 --> 35:14.418 [SPEAKER_05]: Although I understand the role of defense, you know, and I think sometimes people don't realize that like that piece makers, they don't think piece makers understand the role of defense and like the decons of defense, like I understand it fully get it and they're really respected, but I think that I think that way will is an opportunity for the church, if the church is mature enough. 35:16.352 --> 35:17.833 [SPEAKER_05]: And sometimes hardship makes you mature. 35:18.073 --> 35:28.541 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, the church is mature enough to stand up and to create the type of resistance of love and of care and of service to people. 35:29.382 --> 35:34.646 [SPEAKER_05]: The church is uniquely, exactly the church is uniquely situated and designed. 35:35.426 --> 35:45.294 [SPEAKER_05]: to be that in the midst of a hostile world, but with the kind of crushes that you have to have who are ready for that moment again, incredibly mature, sacrificial. 35:45.314 --> 35:49.017 [SPEAKER_05]: These are the, I sold everything I have and gave it to the church to kind of curse, right? 35:49.358 --> 35:52.020 [SPEAKER_05]: Versus like I'm freaked out, I'm a hoarder, everything in my basement, right? 35:52.040 --> 35:54.802 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, so I think it's going to, it would take that. 35:54.842 --> 36:01.768 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think the Lord can race that up, it is true, because the winner of the church is going to stand not because we're good Christians, because the Lord says, I want to prevail. 36:03.169 --> 36:06.271 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter how raggedy in my look, here I just speak about the U.S. 36:07.031 --> 36:07.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just speaking. 36:07.972 --> 36:10.133 [SPEAKER_05]: Not speaking on my international cousins, but yes, of course. 36:10.373 --> 36:11.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no matter the game. 36:11.654 --> 36:14.596 [SPEAKER_01]: So we know that the Lord is going to uphold the church for sure. 36:14.736 --> 36:19.538 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter how disappointing in my look and maybe it's not falling short. 36:19.659 --> 36:24.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you know, then where we think it ought to be, but the church is an organism. 36:25.122 --> 36:25.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:25.942 --> 36:27.003 [SPEAKER_01]: it's living. 36:28.465 --> 36:29.986 [SPEAKER_01]: It's moving active. 36:30.066 --> 36:32.469 [SPEAKER_01]: It is animated by the spirit of God. 36:32.769 --> 36:36.132 [SPEAKER_05]: And different parts of the church are at different places. 36:36.272 --> 36:48.564 [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about right now, in the church in America, because I think for believers of color and what specifically black Christians, I mean, black Christians have experienced terrorism. 36:50.850 --> 36:56.647 [SPEAKER_05]: From the time we got to this particular part of the world, and so I think 36:57.733 --> 37:00.694 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no like delusion about the reality of that. 37:01.174 --> 37:09.656 [SPEAKER_05]: I do think for white majority Christians, and I'm gonna talk about the ones who identify as white Christian nationalists, or that's what they really are, and I didn't find with it. 37:11.236 --> 37:13.957 [SPEAKER_05]: But there's such a deep overlap with just all white evangelicals. 37:13.997 --> 37:22.099 [SPEAKER_05]: Right of it, oh, there are, but there are distinctions, but I think that group is even characteristic present moment. 37:23.368 --> 37:37.918 [SPEAKER_05]: reconciling with what it means to have family members, loved ones, Sunday school teachers, beloved pastors and leaders in the allotus, who are subscribed to and I would say another gospel. 37:39.159 --> 37:45.063 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think their inability to to name what type of time that we're in, 37:45.923 --> 37:47.083 [SPEAKER_05]: his having devastated. 37:47.123 --> 37:50.265 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not a well-meaning people is having devastating consequences. 37:50.285 --> 37:51.885 [SPEAKER_01]: The lack of the rest of the church in America. 37:51.945 --> 37:52.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 37:52.525 --> 37:53.826 [SPEAKER_01]: A lack of holy boldness. 37:54.086 --> 37:54.506 [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely. 37:54.526 --> 37:55.466 [SPEAKER_05]: Just all the things. 37:55.546 --> 38:04.750 [SPEAKER_05]: I really have no expectations of that particular population except to go through their emotional, you know, 38:05.790 --> 38:21.022 [SPEAKER_05]: you know fall out of just like oh my goodness in the construction and the like all that emotional that's going to be happening for them over and over because it's like the people that I said that thanksgiving a Thanksgiving dinner table with and which is that is not who I said to the Thanksgiving table. 38:21.062 --> 38:32.632 [SPEAKER_05]: Well we have a different story on that but it's very similar to what we saw again with with the first of a war in America right where you literally had family fighting against family based on what part of the country they happen to be in and I think 38:34.287 --> 38:47.230 [SPEAKER_05]: we need a divine intervention to stop that and we put and we and we need it a repentance and a a commit a commitment to repair and love of neighbor that could have prevented it. 38:47.991 --> 38:51.592 [SPEAKER_05]: But when you have people who think they have the right to own other people's bodies, you know. 38:51.612 --> 38:52.892 [SPEAKER_05]: Anything you want to say, boy? 38:53.372 --> 38:55.514 [SPEAKER_05]: Anything's on the table and it's my little last point. 38:55.554 --> 38:56.035 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be quiet. 38:56.075 --> 38:57.876 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm not surprised. 38:57.896 --> 38:59.338 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I just sit down but it's just true. 38:59.378 --> 39:06.024 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not surprised that we're even in a place in this political moment where, you know, the, the, the F scene scandal back and forth. 39:06.144 --> 39:08.466 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is about, which, which really is about human trafficking. 39:09.127 --> 39:15.513 [SPEAKER_05]: I am not surprised that my fellow Americans are not deeply offended by human trafficking because they've never been. 39:16.654 --> 39:24.926 [SPEAKER_05]: they never been offended by how grotesque and ugly and dehumanizing is that I'm not talking about dehumanizing to the enslaved person. 39:25.287 --> 39:30.835 [SPEAKER_05]: Talk about the dehumanization of the enslaver, how distorted one is when you think you have the right to own people. 39:31.416 --> 39:31.696 [SPEAKER_05]: And so... 39:32.617 --> 39:57.540 [SPEAKER_05]: If people aren't, if white conservative evangelicals are not up in arms about the idea of white 14-year-olds being trafficked to wealthy men, if that does not cause them to be enraged, if the thought of white children praying and Christian and Catholic schools around this country being killed does not cause them to be enraged and stand up for righteousness, then I know. 39:58.641 --> 40:03.243 [SPEAKER_05]: My black kids, and my black family, and my black son, they don't care anything about it. 40:03.263 --> 40:04.924 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's naive. 40:05.124 --> 40:11.367 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I've seen people even in justice where people of color black folks, who are like, who are committed to like, I'm trying to get them to understand. 40:11.407 --> 40:15.349 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not trying to get them to, I'm just, that's the Lord of the Lord can do that. 40:15.409 --> 40:16.350 [SPEAKER_05]: That is the Lord's Lord. 40:16.370 --> 40:16.990 [SPEAKER_05]: Only God can do that. 40:17.050 --> 40:17.871 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the Lord's Lord's Lord. 40:17.971 --> 40:22.693 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that actually sets us up for the to not have the capacity to love our neighbor. 40:22.753 --> 40:26.295 [SPEAKER_05]: Actually, because I think that kind of work builds a type of resentment. 40:27.135 --> 40:32.221 [SPEAKER_05]: an exhaustion and trauma, a hundred percent that will wear you out. 40:32.261 --> 40:33.842 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think right now we need strength. 40:34.483 --> 40:35.865 [SPEAKER_05]: We need the beauty of our witness. 40:35.925 --> 40:37.426 [SPEAKER_01]: And these days that type of work can kill you. 40:37.807 --> 40:41.751 [SPEAKER_05]: It literally, emotionally, literally slow death, fast death, you name it. 40:42.131 --> 40:44.073 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know, I just, I, I think that 40:44.734 --> 40:49.236 [SPEAKER_05]: I think we have to really lean into who we're called to be as the body of Christ. 40:49.336 --> 41:01.021 [SPEAKER_05]: We have to plead before the Lord got Almighty to bring a divine intervention of change to change hearts and and to give us relief in this situation. 41:01.761 --> 41:06.783 [SPEAKER_05]: It's bad and it's ugly and we do need the Lord at every moment who is at work restraining things. 41:06.883 --> 41:09.244 [SPEAKER_05]: I absolutely believe that. 41:09.464 --> 41:10.164 [SPEAKER_05]: But I am looking 41:12.745 --> 41:36.713 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's our survival strategy as well in addition to practical things that we opt to begin to think about and maybe move toward, but, you know, Jesus is our survival strategy digging into our faith, you know, our creeds, our questions, our our hands, our songs, you know, 41:42.507 --> 41:45.168 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we really do have to hide the word in our heart. 41:45.208 --> 41:52.071 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have to really dig in deep spiritually for the times that are coming. 41:52.251 --> 41:52.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:52.991 --> 41:57.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the spiritual warfare is, you know, and I don't know. 41:57.272 --> 41:57.552 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 41:57.572 --> 41:58.713 [SPEAKER_05]: I want this episode to be wrong. 41:58.753 --> 42:01.734 [SPEAKER_05]: I want us to look back on this episode and go like, Oh, we were tripping. 42:02.154 --> 42:03.737 [SPEAKER_03]: We show it over the top, yeah. 42:03.777 --> 42:04.317 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what? 42:04.377 --> 42:07.181 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I would like to film another episode like we was wrong. 42:07.622 --> 42:08.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Hold us to it. 42:08.323 --> 42:08.703 [SPEAKER_01]: Please. 42:08.943 --> 42:10.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Please let us fill that episode. 42:10.445 --> 42:11.367 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love it. 42:11.387 --> 42:12.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to be wrong about this. 42:13.029 --> 42:13.630 [SPEAKER_01]: I really would. 42:13.650 --> 42:13.790 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:13.830 --> 42:14.691 [SPEAKER_01]: For once actually. 42:15.252 --> 42:16.814 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying I'm right about everything. 42:16.834 --> 42:19.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would love to be wrong, but I'm political stuff and all these things. 42:21.285 --> 42:24.406 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't been wrong yet, but I would love to be wrong about this, please. 42:24.626 --> 42:26.406 [SPEAKER_05]: I would like to normal-ness it, I would. 42:26.526 --> 42:29.887 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember people deal with us like we were hyperbolic in over the top. 42:30.527 --> 42:30.847 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 42:31.167 --> 42:32.308 [SPEAKER_05]: Wouldn't true staple first came in. 42:32.368 --> 42:35.108 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, okay, I don't want this to be true. 42:35.128 --> 42:35.629 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember that. 42:35.849 --> 42:36.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it to be true. 42:36.909 --> 42:37.849 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that. 42:37.989 --> 42:39.930 [SPEAKER_01]: And we still ain't got no apologies, I remember that. 42:40.390 --> 42:43.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I feel like I have no excuse. 42:43.150 --> 42:44.531 [SPEAKER_01]: We've handed them over to Lord. 42:44.851 --> 42:45.491 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no. 42:45.531 --> 42:46.351 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know. 42:46.371 --> 42:47.611 [SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely hyperbolic. 42:47.731 --> 42:49.572 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, I can't be calling it a regime really. 42:50.932 --> 43:10.687 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I mean, I feel like he's all I mean, I haven't heard that word use, but I certainly have heard the idea of like a king ship, not not just being down from office, not not in a humorous way to own the lips, which also is pathological, by the way, that's 43:10.947 --> 43:23.108 [SPEAKER_05]: so immature and disturbing, that's not a governance strategy, that is foolishness and it also reveals that we actually, even if we have a good leader before us, we cannot recognize them. 43:24.457 --> 43:44.310 [SPEAKER_05]: It just reveals that there is a there is an attraction to the perversion of bad leadership if we think it'll bias a couple trinkets and that just that just makes me so hot and I'm saying we because I'm part of the human race well there's it's a we you know it is a collective we because we are we cannot separate ourselves knows who did not do right. 43:44.890 --> 43:58.627 [SPEAKER_01]: on that right so I mean that we cannot we are all there in the consequences of some of those of us actually worked really hard to keep this from happening are bearing the weight of those consequences right now in real time and then we are the United States. 44:00.309 --> 44:09.612 [SPEAKER_05]: And that sense we are united and we're united and we're united by the consequences of the decisions of the electorate or the way elections have worked out. 44:09.632 --> 44:16.934 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a whole other episode, but we are united in that and so in that sense we are going to rise and fall together. 44:17.034 --> 44:20.895 [SPEAKER_05]: So I, you know, I'm committed to being honorable to my neighbor. 44:22.198 --> 44:23.880 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, but I'm not naive. 44:23.920 --> 44:26.362 [SPEAKER_05]: I know my neighborhood has not made such commitments to me. 44:26.382 --> 44:27.703 [SPEAKER_01]: To me, exactly. 44:27.923 --> 44:32.027 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but, but we know, um, we have a higher calling, right? 44:32.047 --> 44:33.288 [SPEAKER_01]: And we go press. 44:33.548 --> 44:37.091 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to or the mark of the high calling in Christ Jesus. 44:37.192 --> 44:47.280 [SPEAKER_01]: I sure I citizenship, um, who when he was despised and, um, hated, okay, literally hated, um, he didn't return evil for evil. 44:48.081 --> 44:58.317 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he just said his face-life flip for the joy that was set before him, even with the weight of the weight of our sins, you know, that felt weird. 44:58.397 --> 44:59.959 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're a part of that joy. 45:00.020 --> 45:00.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 45:00.560 --> 45:01.001 [SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing. 45:01.041 --> 45:01.602 [SPEAKER_01]: He saw you. 45:01.662 --> 45:02.123 [SPEAKER_01]: He saw you. 45:04.165 --> 45:07.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he saw those who have yet to come in to faith, right. 45:07.548 --> 45:09.270 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's the hope, right? 45:10.731 --> 45:19.558 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet we know that this God is the judge of all the earth and he shall do right in part of that judgment is bad leaders, right? 45:19.578 --> 45:21.780 [SPEAKER_01]: And we know that that's a very clear sign of God's judgment. 45:22.421 --> 45:24.502 [SPEAKER_01]: God gives us exactly what we ask for. 45:25.883 --> 45:27.265 [SPEAKER_01]: And well, right. 45:27.425 --> 45:30.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Then now we, we've had a we've had multiple chances at this. 45:31.684 --> 45:32.144 [SPEAKER_01]: multiple. 45:32.445 --> 45:32.765 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 45:33.125 --> 45:34.066 [SPEAKER_01]: And every time. 45:34.146 --> 45:36.487 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you, and you and I. There's some more time. 45:36.507 --> 45:41.210 [SPEAKER_05]: The best it is now that it was, there was another chance to do something different tomorrow. 45:42.010 --> 45:45.853 [SPEAKER_05]: We both know how the data was sliced on this and what people would do. 45:46.877 --> 46:05.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, again, you know, so so we need we we have to throw ourselves upon the mercy of God that's that thing that that's that is a that's one up I think that's the number one so about strategy yeah addition to the practical things, you know, that have to be done so let's let's make sure that we're exercising our spiritual 46:06.020 --> 46:15.810 [SPEAKER_01]: disciplines, but also our spiritual muscles, right, in fact, in prayer and fasting, in praying the whole book, including in parcatory prayers, right? 46:17.352 --> 46:23.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I see that as also a gift, you know, that's what they're there for calling these, the wicked interrighteousness. 46:24.099 --> 46:28.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, sure, we apart from my payday will not repeat well then, let the judgment fall then. 46:29.484 --> 46:35.469 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, but and let the right just be a different that emotion is safe with God better better better with God. 46:35.489 --> 46:41.054 [SPEAKER_05]: It's better with God than accident on by our own sin riddled strategies. 46:41.474 --> 46:41.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:42.095 --> 46:44.917 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I'm I'm glad that we have this conversation. 46:44.957 --> 46:54.446 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a heavy one for those who had not really quite allowed them minds to go there, you know, or their hearts to go there, but I think it's wise to do a wise exercise. 46:55.346 --> 46:56.868 [SPEAKER_01]: So we invite you to pace yourself. 46:56.988 --> 46:57.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 46:57.228 --> 47:03.131 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, through this episode, and you know, seek the Lord, and you know, and just really sit with that. 47:03.231 --> 47:07.053 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's always good to be there ready for all types of scenarios. 47:08.154 --> 47:14.618 [SPEAKER_01]: And share with you, share your thoughts about what it would look like, you know, when things fall apart. 47:14.698 --> 47:20.821 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know what, if they do, if they do, if they do, we're talking socially politically right now. 47:21.041 --> 47:24.143 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think the invitation is for every area of life. 47:25.240 --> 47:39.642 [SPEAKER_05]: the thing that we think if it doesn't go this way, if this or this or this, I would say that exercise is not one of enabling fear, but naming our fears so they can be surrendered to Christ who grants us hope and can change our story just like that, you know. 47:40.843 --> 47:49.149 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I encourage people to not just do this as it relates to this topic, we have a share reality listener, but you can think about your own specific life. 47:49.169 --> 47:50.690 [SPEAKER_01]: The layers, the things that you're hoping for. 47:50.710 --> 47:51.731 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly. 47:51.811 --> 47:53.392 [SPEAKER_05]: What if what if what if it's a note? 47:53.432 --> 47:54.273 [SPEAKER_05]: What if God says no? 47:54.413 --> 47:55.094 [SPEAKER_05]: What if it's a note? 47:55.674 --> 47:58.456 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and so I think that's not a lack of faith. 47:58.957 --> 48:04.501 [SPEAKER_05]: That is a surrender to take that, to take that fear and say, I believe God's love is greater than this. 48:04.561 --> 48:07.783 [SPEAKER_05]: God's promises are greater than my fear and I'm going to hand it over to the one of 48:09.024 --> 48:09.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Amen. 48:10.085 --> 48:11.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yep, exactly. 48:11.326 --> 48:17.691 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so yeah, we invite you into that, you know, so share your thoughts with us and thank y'all for saying another table with us. 48:17.731 --> 48:22.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Talk to us about when things fall apart, you know, what will you do. 48:30.660 --> 48:33.343 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an email at AskTruseTable at gmail.com. 48:33.383 --> 48:42.494 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget to rate and review the show on iTunes and subscribe on your favorite podcast player and watch us on YouTube, anyway, we have been your host, the company. 48:43.014 --> 48:43.695 [SPEAKER_01]: And Christina. 48:43.755 --> 48:45.417 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you soon on the next Tuesday. 48:45.678 --> 48:45.998 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye, y'all.