[SPEAKER_03]: This is episode 423 of Wheelbarriks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am Sam of Ball Samut from Telemetry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am Nicole Waceland from Top Speed.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I am Roberto Baldur from SAE International and SAE International's Automotive Engineering Podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Doing my job.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go Robbie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got a new episode coming.
[SPEAKER_04]: This week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what's the topic?
[SPEAKER_04]: This week's topic is EV Manufacturing.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked to, I talked to Hyundai.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked to Voltaic and we talked to Bosch.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the big three can't like to hear what they all have to say.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, I just broke something Wow I'm going to put that down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, twitchy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did a fidget spinner Well Nicole It looks like you've driven a thing or three
[SPEAKER_02]: Driven a thing or three and oh some of this is I just had so much and then I missed an episode I'm like I just have a list of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to talk first of all before we talk about what you drove Did you guys find a place for roses?
[SPEAKER_02]: Rose and Rhett Resis wedding we did we have we have figured out the wedding That was our mission last week and wedding location has been secured giant check has been written The wedding is all set to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you saw when she graduated that you're all all your problems were over
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought tuition checks for the last big checks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to write.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what is this is just the deposit list?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be doing extra work.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have found a spot for the wedding.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it'll be lovely.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to see Nicole's in it by line everywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be cranking out stories like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to write eat on stories a day to put paint for this wedding.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyone who will pay her a few shackles, you know, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody want to throw a couple dollars my way to write something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or, you know, you could just subscribe to the wheelbarrow page on, you know, for a $3,000 robbing in the Colesway.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll go to the Rose Wedding Fund in my hands.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: With it, I just, I have to make food for my animals is very expensive.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's that, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And music gear isn't cheap, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Cole, what did you drive?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll talk about what I drove to do the site visits for the wedding.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the F 150 lightning, which I've driven before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the fun thing was.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's a fun thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I had them along for the ride, and especially resin.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't write in a lot of press cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to need to hear him like, what's going on here, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So the thing, I had that, I had a loaner vehicle for some from other reasons that was an SUV.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a Durango that's not a new Durango sitting in the driveway, not reviewing it just sitting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, she guys want to take the truck, or you want to take the Durango.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just reminding you that the truck is a bouncy little ride compared to just
[SPEAKER_02]: Little Durang, he's like, no, I want to take the truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want over a speed bump slightly too fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his head hit the top of the truck in the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boom, now he's 6, 3, 6, 4.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, hey, I'm like, I gave you a choice, boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, could have been in the Durango.
[SPEAKER_02]: You chose the lightning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you drove the Durango over that same speed bump at the same speed, it probably would have been the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It might not have been significantly different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then there was something else you were driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, it's, it's not that it's unwieldy, but it's a big heavy truck, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're unwinding, I'm sure, back roads.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, whoa, he said something.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I know I can't say anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a choice, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we had four people in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really went for quite the drive because there's up in the white mountains.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very easy to drive, very easy to park, surprisingly, and comfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were in that car for hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were driving around on that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was really, really nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had the platinum, which is the fanciest of the fancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is $84,995.
[SPEAKER_02]: $84,995.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not an inexpensive one.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the other hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: six or 12 months ago, it was $93,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So surprisingly, that's a bargain now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is what Sam is saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys, everything's relative.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's relative.
[SPEAKER_02]: And destination for you guys want to take a guess?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just they should be on the monrony or what it is right now, it's actually what it is I googled it right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is what it told me right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you can guess what my source said good luck.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming it's the same as all the other F-150s which would put it at 25.95.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I said 18, but I was 21, 95, 21, 95 is what came up when I searched, but as we've just got rid of the last, over the last couple of weeks, depending on the instant, it would be for the destination, your source, whether you're looking at them on Roney or the OEM site, or their media site, which might not be actually weirdly as updated as a consumer site, and yet a range of numbers people.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is awful right that you could have anything from you know like you could have a five six seven eight hundred dollars swing in this number here your charges will vary.
[SPEAKER_02]: your charges will vary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the platinum, this, it's, they're all, do motor, they're all four wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: The platinum, there's, there's three batteries.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a, like a standard range, then two extended range.
[SPEAKER_03]: They only want extended range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it comes up with two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had 123 kilowatt and a 131 kilowatt one.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at there, yeah, when you
[SPEAKER_02]: for the vehicle, it comes up with two different, and I don't, I was trying to figure out, yeah, I was a little thrown to Sam, but it does show, um, to 123 kill a lot, extended rage battery, 131, kill a lot, extended rage battery, and I think it's a trim level thing, the pro and the flash, get the 123, and then the platinum the layer it, and I guess available on the pro, is the 131.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because previously the the pro, you know, the standard range battery was was like the 96 this is 98 yeah, so it's 98 now that's what yeah, it was all I think it was all it was all is 98 I was but I wonder I'll to check with Ford and see if that's another variant well I think it's because of that flash thing isn't the flash like it's own little in
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but usually, I don't think that they put a smaller or lower capacity battery in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it has.
[SPEAKER_02]: So unless they're text backs are wrong, because that's what I am literally looking at right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, given the current state of the Ford Media site, uh, I will not be the least bit surprised if the text backs were wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea which is where to find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going with the official text specs that I have pulled up because of this exact confusion that I had to Sam.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm looking at their official PDF at this very moment that has the three different...
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe what you're reading is just not sure if that's what's actually in the video.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe me here view.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just all liars, liars, liars, damn liars.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the forward media.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think our listeners, okay, so every automaker has a media site.
[SPEAKER_04]: These media sites are varying degrees of quality and helpfulness.
[SPEAKER_04]: All we want is like, I want to specs, I want to update its specs sheet.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want, you know, like a page where like, oh, let's talk about,
[SPEAKER_04]: the the the RAV4 okay I want to go to that page and see everything about the RAV4 and there's photos and maybe there's some b-roll and there's PDFs we can download for tech specs and various trim levels and that's it and somehow for decided nah they came up with it's me sight it is not easy to navigate it's complicated it took me more tries than it should have defined this goofy document um
[SPEAKER_02]: Once it's there, it has all the stuff you need.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the finding at part.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, no, not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, also not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where would it be?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a good Lewis and Clark can look in for Oregon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're you're trying to click on the video.
[SPEAKER_04]: Make it some of some people are going to die on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might say, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people are going to die on the way who knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have the platinum.
[SPEAKER_02]: The platinum has according to this 131 kilowatt battery is what it has.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is an extended range battery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is also the most powerful of the lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is 580 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_02]: That base battery, the standard range is 452.
[SPEAKER_02]: They list the questionable middle range,
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, but I was confused, but this is what it says.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I found the range came up about what we like it seemed like it was about right for what I was driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mind you, I've got four people on the truck for a whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're in the White Mountain, so there's some, it's an altitude thing, so you have some big ups and big downs with the, with the hells.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it seemed like it was pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: My only, my biggest complaint was,
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just have bad luck with charging you guys so we went to the first place to charge and the charger was out of order because we're kind of north So it's not like you get charging banks where there's you know six eight different places you can plug in at one charging station
[SPEAKER_02]: Was out of order.
[SPEAKER_02]: Second one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went up to there was one working one out of order and the one that was working.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a man.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was someone plugged in there already.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I couldn't get it charged.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had like 30 miles of range.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got home and literally watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I think we're ready to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please don't get me stranded in northern New Hampshire.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we made it with like 30 something miles to spare because we did a lot of driving that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that, so I had a little ranger anxiety because the charging stations were refusing to cooperate with my charging needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did enjoy
[SPEAKER_02]: driving it though, it's a nice truck, you know, it has a lot of power, it moves, you know, when you have those EVs, they always have that sort of that instant EV torque everybody talks about and this is no exception.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a quick truck despite being a heavy truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to drive, it was great in the highway.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do find it a little, a little, um, rolly and twisty turning roads when you start getting on side roads, which is where we were for part of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, to me, but I do love the platinum.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the, you know, it's, it's a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is not cheap, but it definitely feels like a luxury vehicle and you've got like leather everything, you've got heated seats, you've got heated, you know, it has all the bells and whistles that you could possibly want and it has the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: that folds down, which isn't exclusive to the platinum trim, but it has the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you there's a button you push next to the gear shift, gear shift folds flat into the center console, then the lid, essentially on the center console that covers the storage cubby, folds out and you have a little table, which we used to eat lobster rolls in a parking lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe it's official terminology for that table is the cookie table.
[SPEAKER_02]: I called the cookie table because I like to use they call it a work table, which is lame.
[SPEAKER_02]: I call it a cookie table.
[SPEAKER_02]: Burrino table is different, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, to the cookie table, taco table, this week it was the lobster table.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had lobster rolls, which were fabulous, right before the place we were going to was closing for the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got in our one last lobster roll up on the Seacoast in New Hampshire.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and it is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was really the first time I truly used it for
[SPEAKER_02]: But like we had like the bag open, I've everything open, but it is really just the perfect size for if you're going to be someone who's going to be working and you're running around, you're having to eat lunch and you're trucker something, it's a great little size for having our food on so it worked out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I enjoyed, I mean, I really enjoyed driving this, I feel like you know the challenge with.
[SPEAKER_02]: this truck or any EV that's a truck is if you're really towing, if you're going to be towing, it's tough because you lose a lot of that range when you're towing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So depending on whether towing is a priority for you or an occasional thing for you, choose carefully between this and
[SPEAKER_02]: F-150 that would be my biggest reservation that it's it's a it's a it's a pricey little bugger It's pricey but I did enjoy driving it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love how it looks I like the lighting and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that there's a little American flag with a lightning bolt on the back That amuses me for no particular reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that little badge
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so overall, so that's, you know, a 150 lightning.
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't significant changes for, you know, coming up for 26.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of just cruising along, doing its own thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So even though we're at the end of the 25 model year, you're not going to see huge changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think for 26, but we'll have to see what happens, and what does with pricing, and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get a new trim.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think S, I keep when you see STX.
[SPEAKER_02]: STX, I keep when you say STK, which is a state place.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, the STX is replacing the XLT.
[SPEAKER_02]: The XLT yet, it's supposed to be like the more off-road one it gets like a locking rear-jeff or a locking rear-jeff or an actual, some little goodies and such off-road tires, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's the F-150 lightning.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was my road tripping around in Hampshire Car last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they put me in another giant fort.
[SPEAKER_02]: They put me in the fort expedition tremor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just one giant fort to another giant fort.
[SPEAKER_02]: This weirdly was harder for me to drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I found it more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I drove it into Boston yesterday to meet somebody for brunch like one does in their giant expedition tremor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And somehow, like, it just, every time I parked this, I felt like I had to park 18 times.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, I could not get into parking space right the first time to save my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the thing is, like, 36 feet long.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the parking garage is in Boston where you feel like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know the height of the car is a fixed number, and you know the height of the garage is a fixed number.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I can't look up while I'm driving it all because I'm like, no, no, I'm going to take off the roof of this vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt so close.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a spot where they had like, you know, they'll put sometimes like insulation around air vents or whatever on a garage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it gets a little frayed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like just the soft insulation's hanging down slightly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were little bits of strings and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: You mean that is bestest probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is best as garbage, it's I'm like that is got to be touching the top of this truck that has got to be done and I can't hear it because it's just soft It it was like it was just starting to airport parking because the whole time I got it
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Russ is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know, you're falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's enough room.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I know Mr. Logic, but when you look up, it looks like I'm going to take out that pipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I did drive it and I did manage to park it in the narrowest parking spot in the parking garage with two giant, like support beams next to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I had no post on like, there's no room here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was it was nice to drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed driving it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's big and this wasn't the max the max like the long wheelbase I just good luck with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I unless you live in like the middle in a brick in Nebraska and now you drive that anywhere
[SPEAKER_02]: But uniformly, and I was out with a couple of different people with this this week, everybody loves the screen setup.
[SPEAKER_02]: How you have the one digital screen that is in front of you, but set back, almost like where you'd have a head up display.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sort of his work kind of looks like it is on the dashboard and the infotainment screen is, you know, front and center, but closer to everybody, but
[SPEAKER_02]: two different people, Russ and a friend of mine, we were driving and they both went to reach the gear shift instead of the volume control because they're right next to each other, sort of under the infotainment screen and the gear shift is spinning up, it's bigger, it's much bigger, the volume is a tiny knob, but
[SPEAKER_02]: They both reached for it, which was funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, and I was backing up the one I was in reverse.
[SPEAKER_02]: One girl, she hit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: As I was around like, why do the car just stop?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she thought she was spitting the volume.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, yeah, knocked it into neutral.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a moment of like, what did I just hit?
[SPEAKER_02]: Something because that's abrupt when you suddenly flip a car into neutral.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Russgram was like, why is this right next to each other?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are these this way?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, well, that's that's kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two different people did the same mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: One guy that's, you know, one Russ and one young woman who's about like 25 or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not even an age thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally different people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same impulse was to reach for the wrong button.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's happened a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all over the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we're not the only ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are not the only ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the tremor is like the S-X-T, I did it right.
[SPEAKER_02]: S-T-X.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dang it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of the lightning is the off-road ish version of the X-pedition.
[SPEAKER_02]: It gets 10.6 inches of ground clearance.
[SPEAKER_02]: 33 inch, you know, off-road tires, there's skid plates, it has like the trail turn assist when you want to do really tight turns, there's an off-road and a rock crawl mode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know what human is doing any of that in a car this big.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know this is when your boss, you know, uh, goes on goes to Burning Man and you have to go pick them up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got to go to, okay, uh, what I just got to call what, oh my god, he's on so much mascara.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we're gonna pick him up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you gonna take the G-wagon?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: I need to take something that's not if it gets scratched, it's not that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna take the G-wagon's on high performance street tires, you know, and it's just gonna get stuck in the mud there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's gonna be stuck in G-wagon's.
[SPEAKER_02]: This would not get stuck in the mud.
[SPEAKER_02]: This would get you out of the mud, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, based on some of the mud, I've seen the last two years, pictures of the mud of Burning Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think even the tremor, everything gets stuck in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything is stuck in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You need a track.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like tank tracks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like tank tracks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Modify your expedition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is, you know, it is the offer version of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that some of those features, you're probably not doing the things that would require those features in an expedition.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you are good for you,
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like how it looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is really roomy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cavernous SUV and it has the split tailgate that has a little drop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget what the work clam shell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I couldn't think of the word where it lifts up as the major portion.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a tiny little piece that flips down which I just love that because any of your groceries don't go rolling out of the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it makes nice little pod for your stuff and so I like that and driving it, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a 3.5 liter V6 and it has a 10-speed auto and there's 440 horsepower, 5 and a 10-pound Vita torque it goes, you know it's big, it goes, it sounds like it goes, it's one of those big vehicles that when you hear the sound of it, it
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not sports car sound, but it's at aggressive, like, get out of the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I love the way it sounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: You match the gas, getting on the highway.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just kind of like, it's not like it's this fancy, super crazy engine, but it just sounds mean in a good way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, move it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You own your tiny little thing, get out of my way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to run you right over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so I did enjoy driving this aside from, I mean, to park it in the parking garage.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the crew done Boston yesterday, where I thought I was going to die, but otherwise, I enjoyed driving the
[SPEAKER_02]: right and what was the other thing oh third thing wait did we do the pricing on the expedition oh I just closed it shoot $2,000 it was it was $2,000 what do you see $2,000 what are you going to say Sam?
[SPEAKER_03]: 25.95
[SPEAKER_02]: So, mine came up as $2,095, which is not the same as the lightning.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just its own little animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, what the heck?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, basically, you're gonna blow a couple thousand dollars on destination folks somewhere in that neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: See if you can get this to come back up.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I closed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so you're just, you know, you're using a lot of, you're going to spend a lot on destination a matter of what you've just been a couple thousand dollars away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if I can get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was 295 is what I came up with and the tremor trim came up at 78,000 35.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it on the Ford building price right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: 25.
[SPEAKER_03]: 95.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: See.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I made this like two days ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they probably just changed it on Friday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It came up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's $2,095.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they've all been changing them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was what we talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're cranking up all these destination charges or they're hiding the price increases.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when just thing, I know these are big vehicles, but like gosh, 2,500 dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like 26, that's like a price of like a random package.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, once a prime time, you wanna like add, I don't know, heated seats or something, or the premium infotainment system, or you could just have the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like the destination charge on it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a little insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not a forward thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an everybody thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, everyone's doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, Ram, you know, they raised their destination charges on the trucks to the 25, 95, sometime in the last couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only one that hasn't so far is Toyota.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're still at, I think they're still at 1995 or 20.
[SPEAKER_03]: $2,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it downright bargain under $2,000?
[SPEAKER_02]: This blame, go Toyota.
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so those are the vehicles that I had the last couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was all big Ford things for the phone 50 lightning Ford expedition tremor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like whatever I get next week has to be smaller because unless someone gives me a hammer there is nothing bigger Well, I don't know if I mentioned it here on the show, but there's somebody in my neighborhood who until about three weeks ago Had a model why parked under driveway They have since gotten rid of that vehicle and replaced it with another EV
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they get a Hummer?
[SPEAKER_03]: They did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got a Hummer pick up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like a mess.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the challenge.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess you're going for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You gotta go and don't all end.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to, I still mean, if you want the car, no matter what anybody thinks by it, if you like it, make sure happy and you can afford it, knock yourself out.
[SPEAKER_04]: It gets the only convertible EV, you can get in America.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking convertible pickup truck because the gladiator is a convertible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to convertible?
[SPEAKER_03]: Boo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or what the passport did you want to talk about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's more of a drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can't talk about it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that wasn't so much a review vehicle that I had as an example.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a program.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think I've talked about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The passport off road drive that I did in the Carolinas, South Carolina, North Carolina, not yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I lost track of my weeks and like I thought written down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I ever talk about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they invited me to do an off-road drive in the passport and it wasn't just like random place that they picked.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had it at an off-road park in the Carolinas that their engineers actually use for testing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just...
[SPEAKER_02]: Honda's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of other companies have used it.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he mentioned seeing other OEMs out there, and people even just use it as a recreational thing, but it's this huge area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of technical terrain that you can cover, and they've been using that the engineers there for all sorts of testing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they took us out there, and this is a cool part.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just like guys who know how to drive, who were spotting us, nothing as it was the engineers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the engineers
[SPEAKER_02]: which was like the coolest thing ever because they got so excited about little details as like I designed this, this tow hook, this tow hook's mine, like they were so excited about the things they did and they really, really knew it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there wasn't there wasn't a single question you could ask them about the vehicle that they couldn't answer and they also as we were out there driving it because they have driven some of these many of these trails because they have
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was sort of the point of the program was to show that the passport is now off-road.
[SPEAKER_02]: There isn't off-road capable passport.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just off-road in name only.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they took us out there and they proved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took us on some really technical trails.
[SPEAKER_02]: It required spotting in places.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they did this thing that was absolutely terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: you had your drive partner spot you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted you to understand what it was like to just drive off road in the passport and how you would learn to spot somebody in the trail sport trim, which is their fancy trim for offroading.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you had to spot and I'm like, I've never spotted anybody driving like out in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they had an engineer kind of hover behind you, so if I had told the guy to go left and it's like, you're going to kill him, go right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would have said that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was still a incredible experience trying to help spot these people through like really tricky stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was a lot of times, where a lot of times when it was rocky enough that if you didn't take the right, you
[SPEAKER_02]: line.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like you were damaging the car so much, although you could have, it was no fear not going anywhere, because now you've got yourself on rocks that aren't going to let you do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they had us do this one really technical route, and they had us use the off-road mode, and it figured it out, and we get through it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they had one guy,
[SPEAKER_02]: what journalist they made him, made him ask him, he volunteered to drive it not in the off-road mode to just drive it straight up and the difference between when you were when you were telling the car I'm off-road and I want to drive off-road and letting it think it was on the highway was dramatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: He still got through but it was a lot more work.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was genuinely impressed with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's funny because there's so many vehicles that they say, oh, that can go off road.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's our off road trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, other than having orange accents.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing about this that is off road.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's all right, it's all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all right, like red is the color of fast, orange is the color of off road.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just because you made it orange, made orange tow hooks or put orange accents on it does not guarantee capability.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was really capable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I thoroughly enjoyed this drive and it was two full days of driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a three day drive program.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was four.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first day we even spent today in the classroom, like a little thing, classroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say, little tiny garage thing that served as a classroom where they went through, like, we're going to teach you as if you don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to teach you how to drive off where we're going to teach you what these technical things mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: they even had a little tiny Lego version to show you how the differential works like you were all playing with this little Lego thing that they made and what's even cooler so they started doing this as a like the engineer started doing this then they started turning more engineers than they started you know they're testing
[SPEAKER_02]: They're training people who aren't anywhere near engineering in Honda, because they feel like in order for people to understand what their vehicles do and why they need certain features, it's important for an executive to occasionally get out there and drive it.
[SPEAKER_02]: See what it means to drive a trail sport off-road.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have people from all sort of different walks of life within the Konda, who are taking the same little course only there's
[SPEAKER_02]: to learn what the vehicles can do and also why certain features are important.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it also serves as like a development thing and almost like internally for the engineers to sell the stuff to the product guys that they want to do and why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if we had this, it would do that and see what it does off-road.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a really fascinating experience and I, you know, I already thought the trail sport was surprisingly capable now it's even more so like I was I was genuinely shocked by how much this could handle how well it drove the technical stuff that it could manage and yeah, because I don't think I know they have a long history, but I think of Honda more performancey than off road.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this changed that perception for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely think like they're really going after it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're not just doing it with orange trim.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing it with the serious plan and attitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I took the Honda Passport Trail Sport off-roading conditions that were truly serious and the thing was a champ.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just watching, right now the guys at TFL have a passport trail sport on a long term loan from Honda for three months and so they've been doing some off-road stuff with it and I was watching something the other day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the
[SPEAKER_03]: the one flaw in the passport, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have huge ground clearance, so you're going to crawl over something like because I want to say it's it's it's it's late offroading only in the sense it is not made crawl over giant rocks and such yeah or things that are overly but you can still handle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, but I don't it's like a medium off rotor and it's the ground clearance.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is what holds it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so if you're going over really like tall rocks, big rocks, big rocks, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or incredibly uneven training.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to pick your line very, very carefully to make sure that you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to bottom it out so that you don't bottom it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you do have to really learn to pick your line.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think people who are doing
[SPEAKER_02]: that like if when you're off-roading and if you're doing more technical stuff, if you're really truly technical, if you're really truly an expert you're going to be able to look and say like that's the line I need to take or I'm not I can't hit that like that's too much I can't handle that but it does handle like I think for the average person far more than other off-road vehicles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but just, you know, for for comparison, the passport has 8.3 inches of ground clearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: A Subaru cross track base cross track has 8.7 and the wilderness is 9.3.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's got, you know, the will cross track wilderness has got a full extra inch of ground clearance.
[SPEAKER_03]: compared to, compared to the passport.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the ground clearance is it's it's it's it's weak point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't such a weak point that I think for the for me, for the person who's typically getting this for the family who's going off-roading and once just push it a little bit further than they might generally, if you're hardcore off-roader, you're not going for either of these really.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you're going to buy a Procco or
[SPEAKER_03]: not to take away because I mean, when we drove at Puerto Rico earlier this year, you know, I mean, on, you know, some muddy trails and things like that, you know, three deep woods, it did great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It did surprisingly well.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just have to be wary of, you know, going over any obstacles that are too large.
[SPEAKER_02]: and I learned something neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they talked about this when we were in Puerto Rico Sam, but they talk about how the recovery hooks on the front of the vehicle are designed, the guy who designed them was there, okay, the engineer, and they had all these challenges, like there's all challenges with where you put recovery hooks because they have to be strong enough to pull a vehicle out and they can't like rip apart the cart.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to be attached in certain spots, but they also have to be able to addition to handling that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, tort from towing the vehicle out of something or pulling another vehicle out.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're in an accident, you have to make sure that they don't send the energy from that accident directly into the passengers and hurt people or hurt a pass or hurt a pedestrian if you had a pedestrian.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's this balance to be struck in designing these and he said they Honda has a patent on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they are more than capable of being when you're pulling to pull to be used to pull the passport out of a
[SPEAKER_02]: toes somebody else out of a tough spot, but when the impact is the, when it's an impact, if it's the right impact, they actually collapse so that they collapse in such a way that they distribute the force into the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it won't damp, hurt the people inside and also in terms of pedestrian thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's less likely to hurt pedestrians and power into people.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have this patterned like collapsible recovery hooks on the front of the vehicle, which I thought we're kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never seen that and he said, no, this particular thing is patented by Honda.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, I drove the 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me double check the model here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it was the 2025 BMW 228 X drive Grand Cup A.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the Ford Or two series from BMW.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at two series on the BMW website, you'll find two very distinctly different cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: the four door, the grand coupe, is based on a transverse engine front wheel drive platform although it's available with all wheel drive, which is what this one was, you know, it's extra so this is the same same platform that they use for the mini countrymen and I think even for the the regular minis now
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's a very different platform.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's the two series coupe, which is a rear drive, you know, more traditional BMW, long or two in the engine, you know, that's what you get with the M2.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's a regular two series coupe as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a fundamentally different car.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the two 28 grand coupe, you know, four door, compact four door,
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like the size, I think it's, you know, from me personally, I think it's, you know, it's a good size car, it's pretty similar in size to, you know, if you think of like an E36 three series so like an early 90s three series, you know, it's comparable to that size because obviously, you know, the three series has gotten a lot bigger over the years, that's is everything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I like the size of the 228, the engine, the only engine they offer in here in the US is a two-liter four-cylinder turbo, 241 horsepower, and with the x-drive with the O-wheel drive, it'll do 0 to 16 about 5.8 seconds.
[SPEAKER_03]: The front-wheel drive version takes about 6.1 because it doesn't have enough grip to get
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing with the interior on this thing, you can definitely see the direction that BMW's been shifting in the last couple of years with some of their newer models.
[SPEAKER_03]: moving more and more away from physical controls towards various touch interfaces.
[SPEAKER_03]: It still has manual vents, so that's good, that is acceptable.
[SPEAKER_03]: But things like the traditional iDrive rotary knob on the console, that's gone, you've got the shifter is like a little electronic shifter basically just a little toggle switch that you flip forward or back to go to reverse or drive and there's a button for part.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the volume control is like a roller to the right of that in the cluster and you can roll it to adjust the volume.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then most everything else is in the touch interface, which means, you know, all your climate controls and everything or in the touch screen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of that stuff is persistent and stays on the screen so it doesn't go away when you You know, when you've got a media player up or your navigation or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's there all the time, but you do have to look at it to hit the touch targets, which you know, not great.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as they say, you can also use voice controls to adjust things like temperature and fan speed.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you can just reach out to grab the little things for the for the vants for the directional control for the vants.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I actually genuinely liked driving the car, you know, I think I think the performance is great, you know, under six seconds, there's a 60 is more than adequate for, you know, for any daily driving.
[SPEAKER_03]: The back seat, you know, is a little on the tight side, you know, I'm 510, 511, depending on when you measure me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can just fit behind myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, taller like when you're further away from the earth's core, no, like in the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you measure if you measure your height when you first get up in the morning, assuming you sleep horizontally, you tend to be a little bit taller in the morning than you are during the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is that real?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that true?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm usually like less than half an inch, but as your bones and especially as you get older too.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, cruelling weight of humanity, well, there's that too, you know, the crushing weight of living in 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, um, so I can just fit behind myself in the back seat, you know, and I have the driver seat set for my height.
[SPEAKER_03]: Russ would probably not be comfortable sitting behind you Nicole, but you know, if you've got people of median height, typical median heights, you could have four adults in here without too much difficulty, at least for shorter drives.
[SPEAKER_03]: The trunk is decent sized trunk but you know as is the case with most sedans that have a fast back roof line.
[SPEAKER_03]: The trunk opening itself is small.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know given the shape of this thing I would have preferred if they made it a hatchback because then you have a nice big trunk opening and if you want to carry bigger stuff you can fold the back seats down you can get stuff in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it handles and drives early while it was fun to drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Steering field is not as good as an E36 BMW, but it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's BMW's gotten a lot better with their electric power steering systems over the years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, this one had the msport package, which means it's got the adaptive ms suspension, adaptive dampers, um, anthracite headliner, whatever it had that all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anthracite is, it's got an ms steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, and lean that, uh, headliner, been waiting for.
[SPEAKER_03]: MLO goes all over the place has the driver assistance package with adaptive cruise and active driving assistant pro that at speeds below 30 miles an hour if you're in traffic you know traffic jam in the highway you can go hands off for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, it's got all the other usual stuff that you would expect to find in a more premium vehicle, you know, in 2025.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got, you know, the nice leather seats and digital key.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to use that with ultra wide band.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else?
[SPEAKER_03]: He did front, he didn't cold front seats.
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, no, sorry, not cold, just heated front seats.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was nicely equipped, the 28th drive starts at $41,600, if you can go with front wheel drive, you can save about $2,000, starts at $39,6, bottom line price on this one, $50,825, guesses on the destination charge.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, 75.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, we're close.
[SPEAKER_03]: What'd you say, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_03]: 1200.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie gets it, 1175.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah!
[SPEAKER_02]: Go, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... the uh... the two twenty eight x drives rated at uh... uh... thirty miles per gallon combined twenty six city thirty eight highway uh... i got about thirty three uh... so did pretty good on that uh... uh... that nice car and you know like the like the colors is dark blue color uh... the tenzenite blue two metallic so it's not tenzenite blue one but tenzenite blue two two tenzenite blue one and probably
[SPEAKER_04]: pride your people mad with desire.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess it's a powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good looking talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the BMW 228 X drive grand coupé.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get into some of the stories of the week.
[SPEAKER_03]: First off Toyota.
[SPEAKER_03]: there was an event in Phoenix this week that we will talk about next time because it's still under embargo.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the comments that came out talking about on the new Toyota RAV4, the 2020 6 Toyota RAV4, they have a new trim level called GR Sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the past, the RAV4 had a TRD trim level, or TRD Pro trim level, and they've had, you know, TRD trims on the cars like the Camry, but Toyota is shifting direction a little bit with their branding.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now going forward, the TRD branding is going to be exclusive for basically for body on frame vehicles.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for trucks and SUVs like the Land Cruiser and for runner, those will have be available with TRD or TRD Offroad or TRD Pro trim levels.
[SPEAKER_03]: all the cars and crosses the worst three letters to put on your car, but I don't know, you've had all the cars and crossovers will have some variation of g r. Um, if they have a 40 triple.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that sounds cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for cars and turd turd trucks for trucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the new RAF4 has a GR Sport trim level and there will presumably on other cars in the, you know, presumably on the camera and things like that, they'll add a GR Sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's well the sports cars have already been branded as GR for the last several years anyway The super was technically was a GR super You got the the corology R and the GR 86 So now they're just spreading that out to other Non-body on frame vehicles Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, there's a logic to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got a plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get used to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, plan
[SPEAKER_03]: So back in the spring, Stellantis showed they revealed the next generation of Jeep Compass.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they started production of this thing in Italy last spring for the European market.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there was some question about North America because the launch of this thing or the debut of this new compact crossover coincided with the implementation of all kinds of tariffs on vehicles built in places like Mexico and Canada and everywhere else in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And still, antes of this plan had been to that they were in the process of retooling their Brampton, Ontario, assembly plant, which used to build the old charger and challenger and Chrysler 300, and they were retooling that to build the new compass.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, once the tariffs hit, land a set pause on that plan, and they stopped all the work on the Brampton plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was unclear what Stalinist's plan was for the new compass, you know, were they going to build it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Were they going to watch it at all in North America?
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, where's it going to come from?
[SPEAKER_03]: And this week, they still had us made a big announcement that they're investing $13 billion in US production.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where does the land is have $13 billion?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my first.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_04]: How long, wait, wait, what's the timeline?
[SPEAKER_04]: $13 billion over the next 40 years?
[SPEAKER_02]: $13 billion next for years, adding more than 5,000 jobs at new plants in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana.
[SPEAKER_02]: The largest investment in the company is one that drew your history.
[SPEAKER_02]: two new G-Fiocals in Illinois, Plinter, two new G-Fiocals.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the Belvedere Illinois plant, which has been idle since 2023, when they ended production of the old Cherokee, starting in 2027, will be building the new Cherokee, which currently is being produced in Mexico.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also the compass, those are both gonna move to Illinois for the US market.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Belvedere plant was originally slated to build new mid-sized ram pickup truck, which still doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is instead going to be built in Toledo alongside the Wrangler and the Gladiator.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay Wrangler Gladiator, new mid-sized pickup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Launch timing 2028.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the mid-sized pickup, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, you know, this is what we said, you know, when the whole tariff thing starts, these changes don't aren't going to happen over or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to shift production around, you know, in six weeks or six months.
[SPEAKER_02]: 25, that's three years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not like Stalantus is dragging its heels here.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are big decisions that are not easy to reverse.
[SPEAKER_04]: Big swing for Stalantus, a company is doing great financially.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, all of this happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe I know I'm trying yeah okay so the the mid-sized truck is going to be coming as Toledo and then the Warren Michigan plant that currently produces the wagon here that you plug in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: is going to add another full size SUV that will be available with combustion engines and also the EREV power train that we talked about last week that's going into the Wagonier, the Grand Wagonier in the spring and also in the RAM rev, which does this now called.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we don't know which brand
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is it going to be a dodge?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to be called the Hemi.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just name it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just name it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Get rid of the Ram name, just say the Hemi Ram.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hemi, Hemi Ram.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hemi Ram truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's, and it says in that Michigan thing, there's also a 130 million bucks to make the Detroit assembly complex Jefferson produce the next gen Dodge Durango, but it's production in 2029.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The current Durango debuted in 2011.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's got to be just old enough to vote, and then it'll be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I have a, I have a Durango, my driver right now because I have a, a loaner vehicle for my cart, and it's, it feels, I like the Durango, but man, this feels old, it's not, it's probably a rental car that's maybe, I don't know a year old or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's based on the platform of the previous generation, Grand Cherokee.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is built in the same plant, the Jefferson plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: a ride to ringo fans.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then one last thing is the Cocomot Indiana engine plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: currently produces or what engine they produce there now sorry he's like I don't know make some engine thing anyway they produce as an engine yeah they produce some engine there they're going to be producing the what is referred to in this press release as the all new GME T4 EVO engine
[SPEAKER_03]: So the current GME engine is the two liter turbo that's in a bunch of still-antist products, including the the Wrangler Plugin Hybrid that you have, Nicole.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's there's going to be this GME, GME stands for Global Media Engine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so what they're referring to in this release is GME T4 Evo is going to be what's the T global turbo and turbo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh turbo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and we'll we'll have more to say about this one next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Evo stands for the answer.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to start making the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The chief lancer.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a beast.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, oh yeah, if you want to buy the right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here's, you know, we have some 15-year-old designs.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like we're good with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have you seen it right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been around the 20-year-old.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, last answer, I think did come out after the current Durango, so.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did it really?
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So $13 billion all together across all these plants to produce these various vehicles and engines.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the big question is, what kind of shape is the land that's going to be in by the time these are the market?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the latest 20-29 was the latest... Yeah, the Durango was the last one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a four year timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over the four years.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was interesting to see how the land is you need to show the world that you're doing something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The engine's actually going to watch production in 2026.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Rango's 29, the biggest U.V.
[SPEAKER_03]: is 27 or 28.
[SPEAKER_03]: See.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've staggered it out though, over the next four years, it's all kind of staggered a little bit here, a little bit there, which makes sense, so they get a little bit, they keep going, get a little bit, and keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a good plan, I hope they can hit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm nervous, first of all, and to say, I feel like there's a lot of people over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, now I was, you know, the government of Ontario is going after Solantes, because they gave them a whole bunch of money to help pay for the retooling of the Brampton plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now there's no plan for that plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got to give all that money back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What money?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, maybe that's not just 13 billion that they budget it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I must have to pay back to the province of Ontario.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just closed him out for Canada.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm serious.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I give him an issue saying, and you didn't do the things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe they will sell that plant to, well, maybe a Chinese automaker.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: B-Y-D.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an empty factory waiting for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: No kidding.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is going to be getting bigger and bigger all over the place.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So B-Y-D remains me of P-Y-C, the Michael Jackson 7 for the other end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know if you B-Y-D. See, that's why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for a little flashback there, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, I'm old.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's finish up one more thing with Stalantis before we move on.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Alphar Maltonali, getting a refresh for Modlier 2026.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think of this new face?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm like a picture.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looks fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it looks like an alpha on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it significantly changed?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess no, I guess it's a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty good change to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are those like on the sides of the little triangle?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are those little ventibits?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a little like rectangular bits.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, to the left and right of the triangle?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to the left and right of the what's that called shield?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they called the shield.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are those little bits?
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those bits are kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where you stick your sandwiches.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it holds something.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hold spores in which you screw everyone in the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't just like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like a quiz nose.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can toast your sandwiches with your new tunnel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just downloaded the image.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just some extra little slots for air flow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, okay, it's just air flow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't count, looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got a slightly more aggressive look than the current one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the wheels.
[SPEAKER_03]: The wheels are cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wheels don't have wheels very close to that already on unlike the yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Delveo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, it's it's an evolution of the yeah kind of pocket.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks great wheels that they've had on on other models for a while now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We aren't going to get exact this.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the European model and it's the one they have here's the 226
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't know which trim levels we're going to get here, but I mean, this, this styling is what we will get.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be key.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they did a nice job.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And on the Alfa Romeo, USA site, that's the, the, the one that they're showing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're showing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be pretty dang close, if not that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The current tenali has a, has a wheel design with five, five pockets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a little bit more dramatic because you really see those little circles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and one other big change for the 2026 Tenali is the, uh, no more plug-in hybrid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they got rid of the P. Have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to be the two-liter turbo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I think they sell enough of those in this country to even have anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Tenali in general.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like the Tenali.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think the Tenali actually sells better than the, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think people don't like the hornet because, like, not journalists people, but regular people because it doesn't fit the girl arc of dodge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I remember them talking about it when they first came out within.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, we know to give people who want to slightly kind of jump a version of dodge.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to be a part of the dodge, brotherhood and took part in appealing to women and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anybody wants that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's exactly what your dodge person's going for, but
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like them both.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I mean, they're essentially the same car, but say it has a hammy in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I what the engine is is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and to know, I would drive the heck out of the car.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Hornet, it's just just everything cast with a with a hammy logo on it, done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so the Hornet is still out selling the to knowly, but the Hornet so far through September
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, and the Tenali sold 219 units, which is only down 23% from last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess I may see one more than one top of the train.
[SPEAKER_02]: 21 that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not a lot of vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is it that much?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy that the car only has like 22 just going to sell maybe maybe 25 100 over the year.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, hey, we're going to make a new one to put it in the United States.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that the best choice for your money right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep waiting to see what they're going to do with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's, again, I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their brains.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep waiting to see what they're going to do with your brains.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much they're going to keep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they're ever going to pair down and say, like, you don't need these vehicles in these, but it just seems weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: 2100 units.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, maybe this new full-size SUV, they're going to build them to try it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that'll actually be a Chrysler instead of a Dodge or a ramp.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's already a Chrysler is the Pacifica.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean if you're going to keep the brand around you got to do something You got to do more than one vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I technically don't but I mean bring back the Dodge Magnum Yeah, I don't know that I don't have the same Magnum back But Yeah, maybe a Magnum based on the the current charger
[SPEAKER_03]: We can't put a heavy in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We solved all of Stellantis's problems just now.
[SPEAKER_04]: We solved, okay, stop, stop telling the guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: The good, but no one's buying it to Nali and bring back to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And bring back a magnet.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... brand every aim at every engine i have him and you just just pipe it into the you know the sound that's all you need you just need the sound of the frats on a exhaust on everything and but make the sound be exactly like a hammy exactly like a hammy don't make it some super futuristic you sound like the jensons make it a little uh... you know haptic feedback thing on the engine on one of the engine mounts to make it
[SPEAKER_03]: So it sounds and feels like a hammy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yes, so what if it doesn't go as fast?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit like a cool part.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like it feels like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The hammy's at the fastest engine.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have anyway, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the only reason people want the hammy is because the way it sounds and feels.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it sounds cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's in your car?
[SPEAKER_02]: I get a hammy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a sounds cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, technically all these four and six cylinder engines are hemies because, you know, they've got sort of hemi spherical combustion chambers, and that's what Hemie stands for.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, just call it a Hemie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Problems, something's a Hemie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Problems, sounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hemie, all the things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's me, all the things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hemie, all the things.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, all right, let's see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the key attachment.
[SPEAKER_03]: This pick-up truck, this mid-sized pickup truck that Kia launched last year in Australia with really interesting styling, what do you think of the Tasman?
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a funky little truck and I'm the story makes me so happy little truck.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it launched it in Australia.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not selling real well.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Price cut is saying they're doing price cuts and let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was there?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were trying to sell 10,000 units.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm scanning through the store to see what there are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Since delivery started in June.
[SPEAKER_02]: 1,500 in the reign of the 10,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's more than that to know, either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: the Tasman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you kind of, you liked it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Rob, you did you like how it looks?
[SPEAKER_04]: I liked it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's weird.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's weird, but I think it's maybe too weird, even for the fine people of Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a cool little truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they were too close to the sun.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were also planning an SUV based on the Tasman, but now they are reconsidering that plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there was a lot of excitement about this if the SUV looks like what's what's in this photo here I would probably take that over the Tasman myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a real photo or is that I don't know I think it's a No, it has some it has some rendering name under there, so it's something's imagine version of it
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the test, I mean, you know, when it first came out, remember people were like, oh, we so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got that here in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: They won't give it to us because we can't have nice things.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll apparently neither come Australia, because they're not buying it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll probably just read design it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's remember that the...
[SPEAKER_04]: The Subaru, what was the Subaru with the horrible front end and then they threw that front Oh Ah, you know what I'm talking about the try-backer that tried-backer and then they threw it on the empresa and then the empresa like it was that for like a week And then we got it every one like no Okay, sorry, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I'm bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's fix that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll probably do the same thing with this truck
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I just like this little truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: Definitely different.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and it has those storage boxes above the wheel arches.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can put all your sandwiches in there, breads.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like what the creativity and car design and this had some creativity to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boo hiss, I'm bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Lamborghini, uh, there's a 20, the 20 23 Monterey car week that showed a concept called the Lanzador, which was a four-door GT was going to be their their first electric vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, they've, um, they've shifted position.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and they decided that they're not going to do EVs just yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, want, want, want, a bit, well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm shocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: They tell you shocked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: These high end EVs just aren't selling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Lamborghini is shifted to, uh, they're going to keep building V12s and, and V8s.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to put a hybrid power train in the Lancetore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so basically the same system that's in the, uh, the new Temerario, which is, uh, the replacement for the Gallardo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think anyone shocked by this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's going away from pure EVs if they haven't gotten it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, wait, no, we're going to do a hybrid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold up.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have nothing to do for these lower volume brands.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you have volume brands.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, I talked to, to, to make them in like, I think at that, at that, uh, Monterey car week.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, we don't even know what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, we don't even know what the questions we're going to be asking are what's going to be happening in five years when it comes to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I think that same day, I talked to not Bentley Bugatti.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, we don't even make enough cars for this to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the people who buy our cars, like they don't, they drive like 18 miles on average.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, Bugatti makes about 50 cars a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and those some of those people, they never leave a card, even even if a Bugatti put out huge amounts of emissions and, you know, huge amounts of fuel, which it does, you know, they don't make enough of them for it to actually have any real impact one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like getting mad at your neighbor for not recycling while like the Pepsi companies down the street like burning coal to make soda and like all right hold on let's get a little let's get a little perspective here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, you don't, you know, outside of the, the, the, the Udus, they don't sell a lot of cars.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Udus is like, they're, you know, that pays for everything now, where they're Lamborghini.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, Colin, I think I am in Macondu for Porsche.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but yeah, I, you know, like, yeah, it's, it's not unexpected, especially, you know, for these little volume, like supercar makers.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and they want to have the hybrid systems so they can drive into city centers in Europe.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so you can you can geophans it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it keeps the battery charged up.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so as you get into these urban centers, it just automatically switches over to electric mode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Which is nice, especially when you live in a city.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Nicole, when you had the Volvo EX 30 a couple weeks back, did you have any issues with unlocking it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I had some challenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there were some times when it would you have the little key card thing and it was like, no, I'm like, hello, and I got it to work every time, but, um, yeah, it's not it was not seamless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not seamless.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had the same problem with the with the EX 30, you know, sometimes, you know, normally, you know, if you've got a key fob, you just leave it in your pocket or your purse or wherever and, you know, you walk up to the car and it recognizes it and it unlocks with that key card on the EX 30 sometimes it would unlock.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I'd have to go reaching into my pocket, to pull the thing out, tap it on the B-pillar, and, you know, most of the time that unlocked it, sometimes you have to do it more than once.
[SPEAKER_03]: So apparently Volvo is, and they've got the same thing on the EX90 as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Apparently they are reconsidering that plan to eliminate traditional key fobs and bring those back because they're just more reliable.
[SPEAKER_02]: mean, some things work because they work, you know, you don't have to reinvent everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is a case that don't reinvent things that don't need to be reinvented.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about traditional metal keys?
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you like to go back to those?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be okay with just a good ol' fashion metal key.
[SPEAKER_03]: having to insert that, you know, every time to unlock the doors and at the start of the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the start of the car was that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You walk up your grab in the handle anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just put your key in and you open it and let's almost one fell swoop.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why if you're running from a murder, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what, then.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's one that the key is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Run very fast or make sure your friends are slower than you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just pushing the button.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to be the friend.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's one of your big cheats of your parents.
[SPEAKER_04]: They just don't want to be the slowest one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just need to be the slowest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure your friends are not very fit
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't need to be fast from the bear, just fast from your friends.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Porsche has decided, even though some of their customers actually have been asking for metal keys for their new company of Porsche's, they're not going to bring back keys, but they are going to keep key fobs and they're going to keep start stop buttons, power buttons.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not going to get in a way from that.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, that's that's good enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we got to start stop button.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know people like, oh, you get out of the car.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, no,
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to push the button because I get out of the car and I like, oh, I get back in.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, though, the car's all closed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, it's turned off.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, you know, you know, I want to listen to the stereo.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm washing my car.
[SPEAKER_04]: Psych?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, with a lot of EVs, if they don't have a stop start button, you know, when you get out of the car, as soon as you get up out of the driver's seat, it shuts down.
[SPEAKER_04]: And for the Mercedes those at, I don't know, one of their testing facilities in Germany or somewhere, I don't even remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in order to keep the car on between people driving it, they had a little like, for the seat belt.
[SPEAKER_04]: They had a little thing where you could plug it in.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was just a little insert.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a fake and out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was just the insert for the seat belt to keep it on.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you could get out in a next version and get into the intern.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the car wouldn't keep cycling on and off the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeez.
[SPEAKER_04]: because it was a test car.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, oh, I need to get one of these so when I'm doing photographs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want the lights on, I just said it right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly, you know, it always looks better when the lights are on, when you're taking photos of the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, you get out of these cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you got maybe 15 seconds before the lights shut off.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, that's just not that good.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so GM on their EVs, they do have, you can go into the menu and there's a thing where you can have it leave the car on for 60 minutes when you get out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll stay powered up for 60 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're doing stuff like that, if you're jumping in and out, if you're moving the cars around, you know, it's not, it doesn't have to reboot every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's not the, that's
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we turn the car on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Porsche is keeping the buttons.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're keeping the keyfabs.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not going all in on these keycarts.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good job, Porsche.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm not just for the Porsche.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: If we could just... Well, the more time got won, he got to use time for... Time for... Long days?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, shoot, who got won?
[SPEAKER_06]: Was that, was that a log, I think that was my log name, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Look at that, real time.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, I think I saw a video, you know, I haven't watched it yet, that he just posted recently with a tycon.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it was silence.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's rolled.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you spend two times a day?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, time folk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Time folk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, Tom.
[SPEAKER_04]: He friends with Tom.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how to say it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But do you buy him a second of damn last night?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's this gang in?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, why we talked about it at some thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was super excited for him.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so far he's having a great time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, because they're because the prices like drop, they're like, they're like, they're the only portion of the depreciates.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but it's crazy how wonderful that car is though, it's so weird like the price drops as this much as it does and in relation to the fact that it's an amazing car.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd love to tie it on so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on if you're selling or buying, you have your means, that's true for most EVs, you know, that depreciation has been huge on those, you know, earlier the summer, you know, we bought a used two-year-old EV6, you know, for less than half of its original sticker price.
[SPEAKER_03]: And unfortunately, we can have to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some guy ran a red light, hit the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: My wife was driving home.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that car is now totaled.
[SPEAKER_03]: But fortunately, our insurance company has been very good about processing that very quickly and got us a payment this week.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one option, if you are,
[SPEAKER_03]: Getting current shirts if the insurance company offers you like a one better option on your insurance
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely consider taking it, you know, what basically what it means is that, you know, whatever they value your car at, you know, if it gets totaled, they will then give you extra to get like one model your newer or, you know, something like that, you know, one one trim level up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I got that on our insurance from Liberty Mutual.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I think it like a dollar 20 a month extra.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we need liberty.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it paid us, paid out more than what we paid on the other car that we had for three months.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I went to Chicago yesterday and bought another yacht blue EV6, 2023 model with fewer miles on it and all wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: and I only ended up paying an extra $1,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Less than $1,000 more than I paid for the for the other one for the rear wheel drive one.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go, so get yourself a used EV, put your life in danger by hoping that someone will run a red light and then you'll get a better one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, you don't want that last part, but you can definitely get some fantastic deals on use dv's.
[SPEAKER_03]: So even though the tax credits are gone, there's still some amazing deals out there on electric vehicles.
[SPEAKER_03]: And actually, Nicole, after you were talking about the lightning, I looked it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Ford is right now, I think through the end of the year, is doing $7,500 in
[SPEAKER_03]: are still I thought they weren't doing that after all well no what what they what the original plan the GM and Ford had was that they at the September 30th they were going to buy up any unused unsold EV inventory from their dealers for their for their financial arms or Ford credit and GM financial and then they'd make the the down payment on them and then claim the tax credit and ask the IRS and they said is this okay and the IRS said yep you're good
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that, you know, then we're going to lease the cars up after October 1st, you know, and factor in that tax credit into the lease payment, a couple of members of Congress from one particular party decided, no, we don't like you doing that, that's your skirt and the rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they were well within the rules, they checked, you know, but they said, okay, fine, we don't want to get into a fight about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so what they're doing is they're just, they're basically paying the $7,500 out of their pocket instead of the tax credit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so if you're, you know, if you're looking to buy a lightning or a mock-y or a GMEV or Or lots of other EVs, you know, there's still some really good deals to be had out there even though the tax credit is officially gone as of a couple of weeks ago I just need the deals to stick around until June when our at least is up
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that your plan?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you need.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, they cut the prices on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on
[SPEAKER_04]: So this with the HMGs are just like, all right, these are good cars, I don't really need to fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you've been driving one deal what four years now?
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah, we had three years on the Conan a year on the over a year on the ionic five.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so continuing on the theme of UZVs, one of the 13 or 14 or 15 fairytale future FF91s that we're built and sold was bring a trailer, apparently there was one earlier
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, this one only got bit up to just over a hundred thousand dollars did not sell it did not hit its reserve It was three hundred and twelve thousand dollars new You know, wow, this is the funniest thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: We remember in fair day like everyone was like, oh, this isn't really a company And they invited I don't know if anyone else would they invited us to their torrents headquarters and it was very much Like, hey, look at here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, there's no one here.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, yeah, but we have all the space for growth I'm like
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, so they kept telling us all the things you're adding to the car.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, this car's going to cost like $300,000 because they're like, we're doing this all in house.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, do you not understand how suppliers work?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess it really was $300,000.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: I made it as a joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, apparently, let's see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this one, this one here that didn't sell was number four, Vin number four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like this line here from the Jelotnik story.
[SPEAKER_03]: The current question is a 2023 Faraday Future F-F-91, 2.0 Futures Deliance Edition, with only 900 miles on the odometer.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's also number four of only 300 that Faraday Futures definitely 100% really for sure going to build as of earlier this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Only 16 had been delivered to paying to quote-unquote paying customers.
[SPEAKER_02]: definitely for sure going to build this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just right, you know, they've been building these for, I don't know, three or four years now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's about three or four a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's going to take them about a hundred years to sell all three hundred.
[SPEAKER_04]: don't get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can believe in them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't understand how this this is such a front for something.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's got it for something.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's got to be a money laundering scheme.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of, I mean, legally we're going to, I guess we're going to say we can't say it is, but I think it might be a money laundering.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't think they have money for lawyers, but just in case, I just, this is, I mean, it's a very sketchy company.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's always been a very sketchy company, I would, if you're buying a fair day vehicle, I don't even know how to like explain what you would have to explain to me why you were doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just like, you need to explain your stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like if you're a billionaire and you're like, oh, in a lot, I spent $300,000 on a car.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like buying a fair day future as a billionaire is like buying a candy bar for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: But any other person will make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the rest of humanity.
[SPEAKER_04]: For the rest of humanity.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I bought a giant cat head, like, help, like, it's just a giant.
[SPEAKER_04]: You put it on.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a cat.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's the billionaire buying a fairytale future.
[SPEAKER_03]: That sounds reasonable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so are there any features on your cars that you don't, you definitely don't want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then that you can actually move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's definitely number one.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, um, what are other features on my car and vegan?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's safety features that beep at me too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like things to be.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know what we know what they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the weird thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like we had the Kona and everyone's why they'll do this beep.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd never figured out what that beep was.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could never, I was like, wait, and so I would look around, I'm like, is there any more car near me?
[SPEAKER_04]: And am I doing something weird?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have a lane.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd never figured out what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: The expedition was periodically beeping at me and we're looking down like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: What like what is the problem and I'm sure there was a problem, but I'm like what it's the vehicle the cried wolf at some point.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just like there's like what what do you what are you telling me like give me a little something well Jason Torchinski wrote a fun article for the atopion it's based on
[SPEAKER_03]: A solid two weeks of research from the National Bureau of Economic Research is economics of transportation conference, which does not, no, actually that's what inspired him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's features that customers, seven least wanted car features, according to the most exhaustive study ever undertaken.
[SPEAKER_02]: The most exhaustive, nothing else has been the exhaustive, huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, apparently not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, number one on the list, 90-10 split folding receipts.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's 90-10 split folding receipts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was just a chase and haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's he making stuff out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jason, Jason would never make stuff up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: How about a speedometer calibrated in leagues per day?
[SPEAKER_02]: or system instead of windshield washer, I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: App-controlled headrests with the subscription.
[SPEAKER_06]: Bye, focal windshield.
[SPEAKER_03]: The glove box and center-rated.
[SPEAKER_02]: People might want that one, Jason.
[SPEAKER_03]: or anti-lock seat adjusters that you know just randomly move back and forth and so the seats just move back and forth they won't lock into position actually this one here TFL had bought earlier or last year or had bought a used model as a 2013 model as and they were doing some testing with it and during this six months or so that they had it at some point
[SPEAKER_03]: the driver seat decided to basically start doing this, just randomly going back and forth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, as you're driving, it would start to seat, would start moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cheese.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quality workmanship.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'll have a link to this in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely worth a read.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jason's always fondest to listen to to read.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, all right, uh, Cadillac CT4 and CT5, um, they're the current generation of those models is being discontinued after the 2026 model year.
[SPEAKER_03]: but the CT-5 at least will be coming back for a new generation is gonna be a redesigned one coming at some point that we don't know exactly when.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it will be resurrected.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it will have an eternal combustion engine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It will not be an EV.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have a manual transmission.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tons of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's not a manual transmission.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why are we even talking about it?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the reason to get to see FIFA.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't come at me with like, We're going to bring the CT-5 back.
[SPEAKER_04]: and then it's has yeah it's gonna be a gas engine all right okay what if what if they put the uh it's gonna have a CBT all use sons of what if they put the twin turbo V8 from the uh Corvette CR1 into the new CT-5 thousand horsepower yeah with a manual transmission and it's the real rest of the reason they get the CT-5 right yes if they come at me with like oh it's good 10 speed automatic I don't want to talk to you
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be cranky, really, really.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it's such a niche vehicle within that lineup, that you really need to have something that sets it apart from all the other sort of sports to dance out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that man who transmission is, well, 65 black wing with a six-speed manual, that is something special.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you can't, you can't even get a manual in a Corvette anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, same, that's why.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just seems wrong, but, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you don't, yeah, I swear it was, we got to be so angry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Robbie's getting fired up, people.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna be so angry that I'd be like, look, we brought it back.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going to happen in it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Time to answer a couple of listener questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: First up, there's Sean Whitehurst.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just sent us a quick message after we talked about 10th anniversary, Diesel Gate, a couple of weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: He sent us a picture, which I will include a link to in the show notes of a license plate that he saw on a car.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was on a Volkswagen Twarig couple of years back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And uh, the, it's, it's, it's a New York license plate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: D one R T Y D Z L dirty diesel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had already done as yours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, D I R T. What cute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy D. So, and there's also a sticker on the back window.
[SPEAKER_03]: It says Das pollutant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's brilliant, but it's also terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to mention the other sticker that's on the back window, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just picked up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Bill sent us a question here or a comment says, and this is your opportunity to defend yourself, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to defend myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to defend Bill's bladder, but please go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed the podcast every week and appreciate what you guys do.
[SPEAKER_03]: But on a latest episode, I heard Robby say, nobody drives more than 250 miles referring to the vehicle range.
[SPEAKER_04]: I may say that I preface that as no one in my age.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did say when I was in my 20s, I drove like a thousand miles of that pulling over, but please go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I may be the exception, but I definitely drive further than that on road trips.
[SPEAKER_03]: I typically drive between 300 miles and stop for gas, snacks, and a restroom break, before taking a total of no more than 15 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I then drive again somewhere between 300 miles again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have been wanting to get an EV for a few years.
[SPEAKER_03]: For some EVs, the range for the first leg of the trip is okay if starting with the battery is 100% charged.
[SPEAKER_03]: Getting 90% range before stopping to recharge at 10% means that my desired range is easily achievable in some EVs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, the range available for the second leg of the trip would be limited to only 70% of the total range of the vehicle, DC fast charging from 10 to 80%.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I will need an EV with a total range of 500 miles in order to get the desired
[SPEAKER_03]: At a reasonable price point, I don't see any options.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping that new battery technology will provide for this higher range.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even when I work, even then I worry about battery degradation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I see that most warranties require a loss of more than 20% to require a battery replacement under warranty.
[SPEAKER_03]: That means that my max range can drop to only 400 miles, and the manufacturer would say that is normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: 70% of that is not enough for my road trip driving style.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm cautiously optimistic that I will be able to get an EV that satisfied my needs in the next 5 to 8 years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I certainly hope so.
[SPEAKER_04]: So are you driving a diesel bill like what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: 400 miles of range.
[SPEAKER_04]: 400, you're talking like six hours behind the wheel.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just, you know what I'm going to lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he lives in, what is it Montana, where you can drive the 80 miles an hour?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no one to see or who's speed limit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could live someplace where he's just like flying.
[SPEAKER_04]: So long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Five, that 400 miles a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sitting in a car.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a long, I mean, you can drive 70 miles an hour on California for your ways, which you can drive in 80, which means I'm driving 85.
[SPEAKER_04]: It even then, I'm like, I got a P.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's literally, I end up having to pull over to pee before the car needs to be charged.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Bill has a mighty or... Bill has a mighty mighty bladder, is what he sees.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is a mighty or bladder than I?
[SPEAKER_04]: For now, who knows?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe Bill doesn't drink as much liquid as I do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or maybe Bill doesn't see a like a taco stand in one of the pull-ups.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bill's eating fewer tacos.
[SPEAKER_04]: 340 miles.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I think, you know, the quote nobody drives more than 250 miles.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, I think maybe taking that a little bit out of context.
[SPEAKER_03]: The majority of people, most people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most don't drive too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't drive that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't drive that much on their break.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you want to pull over.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, that's so bad on your butt and your back and it's good to get out in the stretch.
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, I am, I am, how old am I?
[SPEAKER_04]: 51.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is it my old enough to ask that question?
[SPEAKER_00]: I am 51.
[SPEAKER_04]: When I was in my 20s, I drove from Tahachipee to Kansas City.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we were stuck in a snowstorm, which meant we couldn't pull over.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we were doing 25 miles an hour at some point.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was in the car for 10 hours straight.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hold really fine, you know why?
[SPEAKER_04]: Cause I was like 22, yeah, I was 22.
[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't, it had nothing to do with range.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was doing 25 miles an hour in a snowstorm because if we went quicker than if we went faster in 25, the wheels would spin.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was just like, cruise, uh, and I mean, you know, yesterday, I drove 270 miles from West Chicago, back to Episolani in our new to us EV six, you know, and, you know, I, I had to stop a couple of times, you know, for, you know, for, for a bathroom break and, you know, and also to charge because the one, the one downside, the dealer did great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the whole
[SPEAKER_03]: That's amazing didn't try to sell me on any extended warranties or anything else had the paper work ready to sign here sign here sign here sign here initial here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, here's keys and you know amazing so yeah, so I was out of there shockingly fast, but the only downside is they had only charged it to 60% so
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I stopped and, well, I initially stopped in Michigan City, Indiana, and went grab to Sandwich from Panera, and then went across the street to the Electrify America to charge up, and I couldn't, could not get the charger that or the app or something to work properly and start to charge, and so I said, I'll, sorry, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're pulling swears on the podcast now and waiting forever for this and then so I continued on to Benton Harbor to the next D.A.
[SPEAKER_03]: station and it charged up fine there was going like 200 almost 240 kilowatts for a while there 240 mother effen kilowatts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah MFR.
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, I support Bill and his magical bladder that can not have to pee for five hours sitting in the car
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're going, if you're doing 80 miles an hour, or 400 miles, that's still fine out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can still fly out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I brought such a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I brought my, my Nax adapter with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I threw that in my backpack when I got on the train yesterday, just in case I needed to stop at a supercharger, but then I realized, oh, if I stop at a supercharger with this car, it's only going to charge you 84 kilowatts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just going to go for Electrify America and get my 230, 240 kilowatts.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just got an update in my onic five a software update that now shows the Tesla Supercharger stations so now I'm sure hopefully they're finally sending out those those those free adapters Yeah, so yeah, I once I think not the last draft road trip the one before I went 40 minutes for I had a pull over to be Robby is fixated on this now he is just so powerful.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just know here's it's and it's I drink so much liquid
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just always drinking.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are, look, I'm going to lift up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you over hydrating robbing?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's like, there's a scoke hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a water bus and there's a red bowl.
[SPEAKER_04]: And a red bowl can't on my desk.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think I just drank more liquids than Bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, two of those things that you had in your hand there are also loaded with lots of caffeine, which doesn't die at Coke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got to hear others.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not quite as bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I drink a lot of water.
[SPEAKER_03]: without a bathroom break yesterday.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I can do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't see the point exactly like if I'm driving, I'm like, sometimes I'll be like, sometimes I'm like, okay, I got to have to pee because I decided to have like a T before I left.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I stopped and got like a giant diet coke from like the 7-11 and now I'm driving.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, oh, if I just keep going, I can make it to the get to this one charging station because they have like tacos at this challenge.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I can hold it, but it's, yeah, literally it might, my, my, my, my, my road trips up and down the state of California are, are essentially like, where are the taco stands?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where can I get tacos?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to fill my body with a lot of diet coke when I'm driving around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I had a this week I had a flight and a red eye flight back from San Francisco to Detroit and unfortunately, you know, because it was a late booking, I was stuck back in coach, and I, but I did have a window seat, which means we're son of a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I just made sure I didn't didn't really drink much of anything before while I was sitting for at least an hour I'm playing I think coach to New York from Las Vegas this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a red eye
[SPEAKER_04]: And I put myself next to I usually sit aisle but I put next to windows so I could sleep So I could lean on something so I wouldn't do it on the poor person and I have broad shoulders So I'm just like getting hit constantly by the train going out the aisles And so yeah, so I'm but I yeah to make sure I don't I don't drink anything before
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like a child.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bill, I'm a child.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to tell you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like a child.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just looking for three and a half hours on a four-hour flight.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have the bladder decides of a child probably.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: The joys of getting old.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we should do a very quiet and cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we should have a- Thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, your bladder issues it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think there should be like an auto journalist like thing we should do the bill the bill challenge we we all get in the cars and we see how far and we all have to drink like a 32 ounce whatever doesn't matter big dump of diacoke and then we all have to see how far we can drive before we have to pull over
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not allowed to pee yourself or in a bowl or in a bottle or in a bottle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wouldn't be doing that anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: We do the bill challenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to tell everybody this next week at all the car events I'm going to.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to this guy Bill.
[SPEAKER_04]: He drives 500 miles without having to pee.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bill's a superhero.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think you could do the bill challenge?
[SPEAKER_03]: I could definitely not go that far without a break.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you drive Bill?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, Bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right back to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us what you're driving.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel you're driving like a nice luxury vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's another way for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: How much do you drink before you get in the car?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or do you dehydrate yourself before you get in the car?
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, Robby and Sam need you to justify this feat that you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like a superhero.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how I learn you Bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is the part of the Avengers.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here's a question for you though.
[SPEAKER_04]: At this point, Bill is an Avenger as far as I can turn.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Bill, here are our questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you driving?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you dehydrate before you get on the car?
[SPEAKER_03]: And how old are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right back to us for next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: And let us know.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get back to us.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I drink a super big gulp.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do have a 95.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do have a 1994 desk or it was shot in suspension.
[SPEAKER_04]: So my bladder's being jostled the entire time.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm 75.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like damn it Bill.
[SPEAKER_04]: Make me, make me question everything you're going to my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he's driving this frequently for such long distances, he's probably managed to stretch out his bladder.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we've probably got to stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of going over here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, with that's like, well, we'll talk to you next time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bye.