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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forty K. Lorcaz with me, John Barsati and Brad Chester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, on to the topic at hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking a little bit about the rise in period of cults which led to a discussion of the creation of the Ordozinos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, we've just been effectively talking about the Inquisition without talk about the Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we should talk about the Inquisition itself as an overarching group because, and we can argue this, the Inquisitions the most powerful thing in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go for bar none in the sense of autonomy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Powerful is in like you can go and beat you up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, if you and I, we're gonna fight and you could beat me up in a street fight, and I just repo your house and that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Burn down your business, you work at, and it's all legal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what the acquisition does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's actually a really good example of what we're going to discuss tonight, which is the question of, are the, is the, it's hard to argue the inclination being good or bad for the impairing, nothing to good for the impairing, but terrible for the impairing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to argue this right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're just that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now my new topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't written a subject yet, apparently the new title is going to be inquisitive, good or bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job, Brad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't you?
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to be some arguing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they are necessary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're necessary.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some arguing here, but we really wanted to dive into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where, how do we feel about the inquisition?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we think that it's a good thing for the imperial for the citizenry, et cetera?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the answer is going to be, it's tough because you're look back at human history and you go in position.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, yeah, but what happens if, like, demon sometimes showed up and stole your baby?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that looks pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is seems like somebody you might want around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What it's the inquisition whose there to save you is demonically possessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no way to check the authority.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting to that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll start off with just a quick catch up for everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the inquisition?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there are effectively three, there's three main branches and then some sub branches, which are hilarious, hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a, well, let's just go from the, we'll go quick recap from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: slash malkador when we need to stop our cast they made the in position which was the artist's mellias which ended up being
[SPEAKER_01]: the also the Ordo's heredicus, which are two facets of one's the terrible version of one's the yes session.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the Ordo Malias is the anti-demon, anti-Kos, and they're backed by the granites.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're also the most secretive of the three, because the I it's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to get.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a period of time where it was pretty obvious, the period in the period of seasons didn't know about chaos, but when I read a lot more than more modern codexes, also play a lot of the games and read some of the books, it seems like there is a bit more knowledge, more common knowledge about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's moved around a little bit, but great nights people don't really know exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the auto, the auto malias seem to keep more of a cloak of shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get into the second of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a reticous everyone knows existed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows they exist, but they don't know why they just they just know that there's a good chance that if somebody says you did something bad, a guy will show up and murder you and everybody you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: and may bring the sister of the science with him, which can do horrible things to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can put you into a penitent engine, which which seems bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to go with pretty bad that sister's cast is going to be weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of weird things to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like the notice of reticus are the ones that are supposed to infiltrate and find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: possessed, they're supposed to find heritage.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that they find heresy wherever they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you're a high-ranking guy, you can just say, yeah, this guy's heritage and you're like, I'm literally Ted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, cool, Ted, well, I now have all your stuff because this guy said you're a heretic, and he go down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the ones that I said, very last cast, was
[SPEAKER_01]: And while they're not good, they're still better than the others.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still arguing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's glorious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Artists, Malias, that are the best of the three.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to be it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what we do agree on is Artists, eradicists suck so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no just a tornado.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is not a knock to sister's players.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not your army's cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just,
[SPEAKER_00]: Ordo Heredicus is just awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just awful in all the books and every code.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just because humans exist though.
[SPEAKER_01]: The process that Ordo, there's no other Ordo's that just is used as a tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all the ones that bring the black ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you, they're the ones who round up psychers who just didn't get the stamp early enough and then go sack right into the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they just got his badge.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're used as powerplayes all the time by my least favorite people in 40k the Lawrence of Terrap, you're consistently taking things over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you don't need to worry about your political rivals as long as you can just say that they're heretics and bury them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we also have to say that there's about 20 other arms.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of the inquisitions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these are hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got the Ordo's military them, which is just a bunch of guys that are checking up on the military.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of ones like this, but there's two, and these are my favorites.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one that is literally in charge of finding out everything about the origins of the inquisition and everything that went into it and there's another arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is literally in charge of making sure no one finds out about the or just show all of the imperial records are scrubbed about the creation of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she's the Ordle Malias, the Grey Knights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these are official by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two official ordinances.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get to it a second where this becomes a big issue because the power and inquisitor yields from an independent standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the inquisition
[SPEAKER_00]: almost feels like it's intentionally built to overlap itself negatively because they also want to root out any because the one thing every branch of the inquisition is in charge of no matter what is rooting out corruption inside the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is there one like all of us are part of this were a great big team of backstabbing to Brutei over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give the ultimate.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how old I am and I'm going to bring up paranoia and unbelievably old game from early nineties.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my probably early nineties.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh god, I forgot it existed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome with that wasn't like Sega CD was it that was I was a board game and a game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't fit it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: God some of these yeah, I'm saying it's like actually I'm actually looking at a PlayStation 2 right now
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're doing this cast I'm looking at my PlayStation 2 because at Final Fantasy 7 remake came out and I got annoyed that it was I haven't been paying it that much attention So I went to go play it and then somebody had to inform me that it's only chapter two of three You need to be so mad when you find out that they've actually changed the timeline story That's that was also my younger brother informed me of this and so I went yeah, I'm sure you had played Final Fantasy 7
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Emma weapon here I come.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know exactly how this thing ends.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can do some material grinding.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's not this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Choker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh god.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do gold choker, but what do you have to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll spend a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's dive into the power of them and we'll start about where their power comes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's go with the number one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have it in all inquisitors, all inquisitors when you get to a certain level are given an inquisitorial rosette.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm probably saying that wrong because there's three S's and two T's somewhere in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is somehow uncomfortable and it is your root of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I say root of power, I mean literally this is a note from your dad who's the
[SPEAKER_01]: And it straight-up says, I can take whatever I want and use it for whatever I want, which means that
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys can be unbelievably useful and also unbelievably terrible and corrupt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they do it pretty much, I would say the same, yeah, and they're probably more corrupt than they are, useful.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what it does is it allows them to do things that the ultimate bureaucracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the DMV, when you go, when you're trying to get something done, the imperium is terrible at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need people with things like the inquisitorium is that where they can just go, hey, I need this, we're going to get it done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that have wild abuse of power problems?
[SPEAKER_00]: yet might have some yeah like crazy are effectively in fallible because the inquisitorial rosette is that's called what is it's the word of god because the emperor is the god you it is you have a piece of it's like piece of it's a thing when you're shoulder that or actually are going to be on a chain that's a symbol that's effectively a
[SPEAKER_01]: I am all powerful with one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, from the Imperium, your God said I can do whatever I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: The issue with these things is that it's a physical thing that it can't be copied, and it seems like there's no stories of someone like stealing one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know how that works, but if you do turn corrupt or you do bad things, it doesn't disappear.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you get this power once it's granted to you, you have it until you're killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is a lot of inquisitors that have been corrupted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to be honest, to be fair, what's even worse, because at least when you become cast and corrupted, there was at least magic powers working against you.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shittier people are the inquisitors that are just straight bought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: that happens also all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go through some of the things that they can do with this because it does line up people with some of our road trader stuff we covered.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, they can just move around like there are no issues with ports of entry.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to go to a planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to a planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they arrive the plant, you have to make accommodations for them to immediately and they can also take over anything they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lay they can just say I'm sleeping at the palace.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever they decide is their base of operations while they're there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That just goes down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also they can comment here as many forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the bigger thing is not the forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the forces are like, yes, of course they can get that right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can comment here.
[SPEAKER_01]: as many of as your resources.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're making bigger, grand Cherokees, they can go, you're not doing that anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're making missiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is more important.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's talk about a bit more like how it functions for the citizenry.
[SPEAKER_00]: These happen for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisitor's purpose is to avoid the bureaucracy on urgent matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've got a problem where I know there's some sort of demonic or zino-sincursion, or heretical incursion happening here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't have time to call the last kind of factory that's 10 systems over to get latinance here, is that you guys are going to stop making grand Cherokees and you're making me a latino.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go in times more time because we were laughing, we touched on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem, the reason that this exists, and it's awful, but the reason that it has to exist, I hate the Inquisition, but the Inquisition is in a world where
[SPEAKER_01]: Horrible aliens and demons exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just need these guys to exist, even though their presence is awful is butt.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that our society is so big because of millions of worlds that you can't, because if you went through normal channels and you went, I need to get this factory making last canons instead of transports,
[SPEAKER_01]: It would take several lifetimes for this to get back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not a ha-ha, that's just how it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's how it's set up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's designed because then to defend the Imperium here, that's how efficient manufacturing takes place.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't move around like you pick into specialty to the point where even the people that are working your factory are so specialized that you do it well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is a big thing because they actually put cybernetic enhancements on them to make a specific thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll talk about high worlds in an upcoming cast and yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: They suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they can also come into your part of the commentary of troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can move troops, which is the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they can sit there and say,
[SPEAKER_00]: they will use order of our least favorite but it's probably the most active of the group militarily where we've got a situation where we've got a probably a high world or something like that where there is something going up governor a corrupt part of the world we need to stamp this out now and it's happening now I'm grabbing your forces I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's grabbing all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's an astronaut term.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're all getting that these casserkins get in the ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going and they go there and they stamp it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that would take months and by the time, and don't forget these guys are also hunting down people who don't want to be hunted down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they eat before we talk about last episode with the artisanals, which is,
[SPEAKER_01]: sometimes a lot of these, I think the cancer, the same way.
[SPEAKER_01]: The longer you let something go, the larger the problem is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just grows.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, yeah, most of these are just a cancer that grows out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and one of the things I've made here is that the lot of the conflicts and the galaxy that we read about in the code X is we read about in the novels, they were actually
[SPEAKER_00]: In quotes, started by the Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily the Inquisition were a shitty, but they were the ones who found it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sat there and said, hey, this is going on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I detected a jeans dealer cult, you know, group on planet four five two three and system blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they, so they attack and turns out it's not a couple of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the whole planet Jesus, they're called.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you've got to warn.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the things that the Inquisition does.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they're so important.
[SPEAKER_01]: one of the most powerful tricks of the equations leave is the extermination is what's the order extermination which is I got to get my cheetah together sometimes
[SPEAKER_01]: this 0.01% of the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that you have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a jean stealer cold and is here in an organization.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or can't get rid of.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say we have to effectively destroy the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cleanse the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even just like boom, boom, blow up the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking they set the atmosphere on fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one three.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the
[SPEAKER_01]: So the problem is this went from the Holy God last resort.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have so many other things we can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's tons of stories of inquisitors just going, yeah, but let's just do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a bunch of,
[SPEAKER_01]: cough cough, or does her reticase you suck so much, 85% of all orders exterminatists or artists are reticists going, these guys heard about chaos, let's just blast the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's remove the planet, but it's not all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like six cops.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't feel like figuring out which ones which and if you can burn the whole planet, you know, we get all six of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know why it's also sucks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we could have had an awesome novel about an inquisitor doing some detective style work getting it gunfights and said we got some chud in a ship ordering the planet to be blown up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sucks in every way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like that's more of a white dwarf story.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be the order of or no exterminatus than Dan Appnets are going to be the action.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the action others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's track this down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's like, play it bad, burn, and find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The exterminatus has also been used as a threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is another thing that bothers me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is because I hate the corruption part of it is because the lords of Tara and their underlings have used or the exterminatus as the, I'll just blow up your planet because it's definitely full of heretics.
[SPEAKER_00]: direct rivals like I that's most likely to be voted in the next time they like that's definitely a heretic planet just to move that planet and it does to talk about when things were focusing on here for the citizenry this is when we talk about the citizenry in reaction it's like the citizen reads interaction it was hard to say then should have been with the acquisition this is the big one here is
[SPEAKER_00]: But the citizenry understands, in my opinion, the value of the inquisition, they're terrified of the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why, because they're aware, the English could just decide to blow their planet up, and they don't evacuate you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if it's just they just leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're collecting highways, scheduled to go right through here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, see now there's always a good book reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't get that reference, read.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's where a lot of this comes into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this exterminatus is something everyone's afraid of, which will do both motivate people to work with the organization?
[SPEAKER_01]: but also motivate them to never ever contact me because this is also how you get the spread of things sometimes you are so afraid to contact them because sometimes is that of coming in with a scalpel they come in with a nuclear bomb
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, well, which one am I going to get you know, I want to roll the dice depends on the inquisent exactly depends on the Equisitor and the thing is that is a pretty big tool and the thing is also they have the power
[SPEAKER_01]: not only do just eliminate a planet, but a lot of times they try to eliminate any they're like them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to let any loose ends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there are times they plan it that you used to trade with doesn't exist anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in pure current pure records, you never traded with it in the first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they will literally blank you out of existence, you know, and people are told, you're no longer allowed to talk about Mars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mars doesn't exist anymore, but I remember it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, it was never there.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a key part of the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we talk about their ability to do this, let's talk about how they're structured.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say, whereas we go through this, if you haven't read the Eisenhower novels, you should, they do a good job of, they don't like to talk about this, but you've led you experience it.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the challenges pregnant we're discussing is we went into the Ordozino sort of hereticist, all these things, when the Inquisition is,
[SPEAKER_00]: these are non-codex things so the writings on this is more anecdotal it's more there's references and a codex there's read the novels they come up a lot obviously the inclusion to me or one of the more I think them and rogue trader are massive in the 40k universe they have it never getting a full like break through of it
[SPEAKER_01]: in the things that there's also wild differences in the inquisitors themselves will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, all of them are independent operators, as far as they have the result, they can do what they need to do, but some are traveling solo, literally by themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go place to place, they show their written power, take what they need, leave again, they're like blown, Ronin Samurai running around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's groups, Eisenhorn, which I think is fairly common, where you have a
[SPEAKER_01]: of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Need.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to be the norm.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you read through it, the norm is, inquisitors are loan operators, but they've got a retinue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll find some time that a little bit here about how they have a retinue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like certain jobs are really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eisenhardt went through late 47 astrapass, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, being just in general, being a psycho in the 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're a person to hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to go to the extreme though, because some of the loadingquisitors just have wild, crazy arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just have almost legion, the status of power of military.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they cruise around.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of these just never disband those militaries because they go from place to place.
[SPEAKER_01]: and handle bigger problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's an important note about inquisitors is that the level of independence that they have,
[SPEAKER_00]: It can actually become a problem pretty quick, because no one knows where they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, they don't get any netty, but hit a report aim, so they're just kind of moving through the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to the point where the, and period, doesn't even know if something quit or a live or dead, it's based still on like, when was the last time you heard from Eric?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they assume, oh, Eric might be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also, we've had inquisitors like I corrupted by cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just say, and you like, oh,
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't hear about this guy for a long time and he's just accumulated.
[SPEAKER_00]: massive power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we heard about a lot in the 11th crusade of a bad Yeah, not in a great way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're able, they're, this independence where they work through is, again, it's critical for their job title, but for the citizenry, this is another big issue, because this is the old movie trope where they, the mobsters, the criminals dress up like cops to arrest someone so that they can kill them.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the problem with inquisitors.
[SPEAKER_00]: When inquisitors
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know if they can be asked and you do some really horrible things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no way to check this authority.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a... And it's worse because you might have another inquisitor that goes, well, you were working for a force of cash.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, this dude literally was wearing the exact same D.R.U.R.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, yeah, but he was bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a good guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I feel like this is gonna go terribly for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will admit this structure is important because
[SPEAKER_00]: usually what the inquisition is doing is they're hunting down kind of small things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's a small corruption.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an individual.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's you're looking for like the head of the snake, not all the way up to phlegrum, but like you might be working your way up, but it's a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would not go anywhere near that snake.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got lots of swords and guillotine explain why.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what they're trying to track down.
[SPEAKER_00]: These, you can't track them down if you're part of a big police, a big force that's doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have to be independent and if it was sneak in and out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes a lot of sense to pressure them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, it's not all about doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, of course, that's why they're, it's so wildly different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we have, you're like, what is an inquisitor?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I could give you 10 different answers and they're all correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that does kind of get around this is the conclaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a conclave is when you're this level of independent and you need to make some tough decisions, they actually will form these temporary conclaves, which I get a big kick out of because a conclave is basically a bunch of inquisitors going together to just have a conversation about, hey, here's what I'm investing in.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is that they don't rule you to listen to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And half the time, they just do their own thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have a conclave discuss it and go, the things that most of the time, the only reason a conclave exists, is it's something that you are going to get your ass kicked if you try to handle it yourself, so you're forced to.
[SPEAKER_00]: get somebody else involved in the conclaves are both hilarious and tragic at the exact same time because they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is you have these stories of multiple inquisitors getting together with the sisters, the grain nights, the Imperial Navy, whatever it is to discuss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone says that's a terrible idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: The person's ghost doesn't anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, they're not wrong for doing it that way because they're still an inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do it for the hell they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my favorite parts are when they literally do the old
[SPEAKER_01]: they do the old school.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my jurisdiction because this is chaos, but no, it's actually Zeno's.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's part of both?
[SPEAKER_01]: What should be mine?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, there's lots of stories that I'm fighting over this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who has jurisdiction?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what also happens is at the one thing that we probably should have touched on is that an inquisitor
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't get promotions.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't get anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just, but they get to get cloud.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the more stuff that, the more cases that you solve, the more heresy you expose, the more your name gets known within the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they go for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when Brad was talking about, this is my jurisdiction, your jurisdiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this case is about to get cracked.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to be the one that kills our captures, the ultimate enemy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there can still be some kind of adorable fights here.
[SPEAKER_00]: over the world's dumbest thing, but in the Imperium of bureaucracy, this will come up a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, these guys are awful for a whole.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some cool guys, but even the cool ones do a lot of bad things, but the problem is again, while if you're in regular society, we're right now, we look at a little good position, like, oh my god, this is awful, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if demons actually did occasionally pop out, yep, you're like those guys are awful, but sometimes someone needs to fight off the bloodthirsty that showed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also helpful to do these conclaves because, as we said, you can actually have multiple inquisitors tracking down the same thing at the same time and not realizing together, or inquisitors are not a mortal, but they live a long time, but not the longest time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chaos has some pretty good life spans to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could also be on the fourth or fifth inquisitor who's tracking down the same Chaos thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice to get a conclave together and say, oh yeah, Amber, inquisitor, Sean, 300 years ago was tracking down this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you closer to it, here's some of his notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of that that's a popping his conclaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Chaos doesn't good job hiding itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest here.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they do a good job of snuffing out people that were trying to get up on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Joya, right, News.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about this because some of them have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we go back, we mentioned this in the last house.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's set this better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad and I both play a lot of D&D.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's let's set this correctly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inquisitor retinues are probably the most interesting part of the 100% to the two of us because we played they take the heart of the ventures.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a part of the ventures and it's cool as shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go into this one because there's no way we weren't covering it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for me, to me, I actually understand the lore better when I look at it this light.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I look at it through the light of the house,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to look over because it's so big like so many things are happening, but like for every marine there's a billion citizens yeah just that's how it is and the thing is that somebody has to be investigating all these guys are like for me they're like 1920s private eyes exactly working on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: or they're at old school, D&D adventuring group or they're both to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of both, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because actually, you've set something there and I think it's actually important.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a few million worlds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it moves from one million to a few million depending on what you're reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: You figure each world has billions of people on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably less than 10,000 inquisers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the space we're dealing with here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have all this independence, they're going around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they are, they're in the little adventuring parties, because they are fully self-sufficient.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything to be in order to be this independent?
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to be fully self-sufficient.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've got kind of the traditional part of this, which is the logistics, because they've got houses.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got archives.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got all those that keep, and there's people who just keep those around for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to the fun part, which is actually their adventure
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy because they have an adventuring party but part of the adventuring party is Almost the person that's handing out the quest because they have people that are just in charge of data And correlating all of the things that have happened before like when you give those conclairs We need some somebody that in a lot of times it's multiple somebody's that are in charge of Figuring all this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where am I going?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is the next point?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean let's
[SPEAKER_00]: before littering for you that's cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is my word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were just in Baldur's Gate 3.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just getting into it for the first time because I couldn't put it off any longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you build a party, you know, from scratch, what do you need?
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a fighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need someone who can open locks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a healer and I need fireball.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I need fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need fireball playing without fireballs just board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seems silly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like why would we not?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same as this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got the inquisitor, but the inquisitor is so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisitor needs someone who can collect all the data.
[SPEAKER_00]: the equation needs someone who can keep them alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisitor needs someone who can just get them through a firefight.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are things you need.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's those, some of them are multi-class.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it gets them overlap, but that's what this group is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need, and the things that a lot of times you have, these wildly specialized people, because they'll be experts in this, or to be honest with you,
[SPEAKER_02]: there even I can't believe anybody didn't say that because I see to be honest probably more than I say about it once.
[SPEAKER_02]: You same old.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should probably work on my vanilla.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're both old enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not changing our language anytime soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just accept the fact that I should have more of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really, really want red.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you pick some phrases you're old enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like I'm going with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same reason people your age all wear new balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because they're just comfy shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The things that you have, people that just need to be able to get, you have your home base.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have your, even if you're home base travels, because a lot of times you can your base base ship, but still needs a base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, you have your base and on your base are all the people that are going to the, the D&D slash.
[SPEAKER_01]: video gaming references but you need people that stay at camp and figure things out for you and then you need your muscle and you need your specialist need your magic users you need people that can do that and again go to the ice in our books he has a great party with him yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it's got one of the best parts of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even the other parties he encountered, so also you'll see a lot, so they'll have an amazing fighter with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also have people who are just, they also need to be who are experts in imperial knowledge, and imperial history chaos knowledge, which, oh, that guy's a tough one to have in your party.
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta be careful.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that was a nice match.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a two match.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a nice match.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's your knife-edge person, of like, keep an eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because you have to be able to investigate and you can't, you're talking about multiple worlds throughout all these different systems that can be months, maybe years of travel apart from each other, you need to be able to land and just go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So someone wants to understand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to know why I'm doing local traditions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or even just dialects to be like, this person is not from your, this person is from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those types of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so
[SPEAKER_00]: while beholden to the, to the inquisitor, they're what allow the inquisitor to really do the majority of their work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll have a huge fan of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a big deal on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why Kafka will do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But inquisitors have unwritten, we're just written power.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can do whatever they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is followed wildly different world to world.
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody gives you what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mostly it's how they go about doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much red tape is this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is I need this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I can definitely get you that, but it's going to take weeks as opposed to here's the thing you need right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: hear you have access to all my libraries or we could just have the three guys that already know the answer to your question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to you and in the books and the stories, these are wildly different.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get a huge difference in your political, I guess you can call it political sport.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have on the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a key part of this is bringing in people who can get you through.
[SPEAKER_00]: the local nobles, then local whoever it is that's in charge could be even a local warlord because you don't have weeks because the person you're chasing is on planet and it's secondly find out you're on planet they're going off planet so you need to be able to get down their get their records track them down before any of that happens and this is a big thing that they're talking about though.
[SPEAKER_01]: in a galaxy wide game storyline is because right now I'm chasing John and he just leaves what's annoying for me to go and find John and Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not like going, hey, he could be yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was that a reference to where in the world is Carmen San Diego?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that I thought about this, indeed it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, I think what's important here is when we talk about the political support, understand that an imperial governor, who's likely who you're going to deal with, runs a planet could be a system.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two things in Imperial Governor is most afraid of is a rival Imperial Governor and the Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if I'm just, as we've said in prior cats, if I'm just saying, if I'm an Imperial Governor and my planet is routinely on time and all that's delivered to the Imperium, I get to do whatever I want forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: If an inquisitor is showing up,
[SPEAKER_00]: ruins every the end of everything I care about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we haven't touched one yet, but sometimes those guys kill inquisitors for good reason, by the way, good selfish reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: But her good selfish reason, you know, like your reason to like because you really inconvenience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he can't ruin everything that you have, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, obviously, exterminatists is the ultimate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you just take some of your stuff and a lot of them are just corrupt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're sitting there and quizzed their lands on the planet and says to them, hey, I need to
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, could basically which order are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the who just showed up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it order of maling or seeing some of the demon?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or those you got to think of, you know, or order of who are atacus who are totally here for me?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, and you've been basically cooking the books forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or your biggest training partner is Dark Elbar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know who is it, which one of you is here?
[SPEAKER_00]: It could end me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you need someone who can get you through that quickly and figure out, like, yeah, I know you're actually selling off people of the Drew Carrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm right here for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a nice day, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: So terrified.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like your biggest export is people.
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's where a lot of these guys come into play and it's a really critical part of their lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, also for this citizen race, it's the same reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: The citizenry is going to come in and they're going to meet and inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the noble who might be corrupt, who knows who you're talking to yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these guys get scary of, perhaps I'm a trading with you, Carrey, but you also have positive trading.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you've landed, it's a fringe world, and they are routinely trading with the town.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's good for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you get there, and you're not chasing that down.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're chasing down some chaos, who actually is already world-jumped.
[SPEAKER_00]: But was here for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do what the data on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a citizen, I'm going, I don't want to tell you anything because I don't need external and not discovered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, how do we negotiate that?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do we do this?
[SPEAKER_00]: This comes into that question of, is the English and good or bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets really tricky, because you may be doing nothing bad, and the inquisitive, the wrong inquisitive, might say, yeah, I strongly disagree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He continues his search, and he also just makes a note
[SPEAKER_01]: If that guy loved everything's okay right and then you go, oh, is that a fleet up top in the low orbit?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, yeah, then it goes and you're putting an e-mail in that little text in his way out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the shorthand for exterminates.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's a date on it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, like, smiley face, nuclear explosion and frowny face, you know, it's said that it went off.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the emojis of the Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of my favorites parts we want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, let's dive into, as we're discussing this though, what checks are there on their authority?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, carry the one zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where it gets really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as we said before, they speak with the word of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the only person people that can do anything about it,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll go with who can actually do something about it and then who can actually do something about there's two groups something about one is the other in position and two is the space Marines because when they decide that they're tired of it
[SPEAKER_01]: You can say that you've got a little shiny metal that says you can do whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they go, yeah, man, I'm somewhere between seven and nine feet tall, depending on what I'm wearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure there have been inquisitors who have asked the dark angels very seriously about Caliban.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I haven't been to Caliban in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to head there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And their head just doesn't exist in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hey, look, you can't breathe outside the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, just this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Calibans through this door over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just opens the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just opens.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just sprint and spray paint.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Calibans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just jump inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a big thing because the Marines.
[SPEAKER_01]: don't really suffer fools.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and the marines as much as you can say you have authority.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of stories about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we talked about it a little bit with the wolves on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, in the end, you can get too big for your bridges, but then the marines eventually show up and go, yeah, I'm real tired of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This we're not doing so we'll kind of skip over the space marine punch you in the face You can't listen yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not listening to your thing and focus more on where a lot of the checks authority come from which is the actual internal inquisition They that's who has to no one
[SPEAKER_01]: is policing the Inquisition except for the Inquisition, which becomes again pretty weird and corrupt because other inquisitors, there's some inquisitors where that's what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is they're trying to find the corruption inside the Inquisition?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think it's important to think the Inquisition is largely gray area.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll use script.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll call it the
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Eisenhorn is routinely accused of heresy, and it's a long time it has witch hunters said after him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because he's constantly doing things that are breaking the letter of the law set all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so do you get the right slash long inquisitor gets wind of this and just decides, yeah, this and Eisenhower and this inquisitor is a heretic and the order of heretic ass after him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is that it would have to get to away with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, and a lot of these people are, wow, hard liners.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is considered a miscites and we stand point because we've touched us a few times and we should probably dive more heavily into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm a citizenry and let's say, for example, I'm working with a craft world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm working with a craft world, not just to trade for food, but because there's a chaos and corrosion nearby.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the craft world and I are working to kill off this incursion.
[SPEAKER_00]: If auto malias comes in, they're going to be super excited and they actually will help them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can help them out and we can all help each other to kill off this incursion.
[SPEAKER_00]: but after that auto-malious leaves, auto-zinos on a separate investigation may have found out that they may have been tracking that inquisitor who was working with the craft world, tracking to my planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now the first inquisitor I met gave me a big high five in a metal, the second inquisitor murdered everyone I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the citizenship has no idea who's who
[SPEAKER_01]: They just know that another guy showed up with a get a shiny metal shiny metal of inquisition and all of this one was significantly less cool than the last one and also you never know what they think because it could be hey you guys knew that there was a cast incursion thanks for helping also we don't want
[SPEAKER_01]: there to be any chance that heretics are here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we should just kill the plant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even more fun, there may be an inquisitor who's on the side of the chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine that you just wiped out and is now just coming there to collect a bunch of you to give the slenash to make up for the fact that he just lost the bunch of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm going to say is be it in the Imperium sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beyond it, quit conversation, wherever you are, it's probably going to be a different place.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have the money to leave if you see an inquisitor just go to a different place.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably, you're just better off.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, in this reason, very few people have actually ever met an inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because when they come, you always say that you see this in movies a lot, where it's like someone comes a town and almost a talk to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because they're like, yeah, there's where every trouble follows you wherever you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is, as a result, though,
[SPEAKER_00]: The, and we've also, we touched a second ago that there's trillion beyond trillions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got millions of plants with billions of people on it, and thousands of inquisitors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the biggest thing because there's such a big difference in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you see a marine, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's the great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw the angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also it's a Murray seven foot hole monstrosity of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: But those are the beacons of power for the imperial.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see an inquisitor, you're like something terrible is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the inquisitor is the same size of all your buddies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, you see an inquisitor, oh, that's Sarah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Sarah, Sarah, and your friend Sarah, and the female inquisitor to show up are the same size, shape, all those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really stand out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, except for Sarah's cousin, who's the inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: They come through.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what ends up happening is that throughout the imperial, you get tall tales constantly about the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all of the, and so people are really afraid of them because the most common tale is, the inquisition showed up on a planet and that planet cease to exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: You also naturally get the peace of the belief that it does the inquisition stamp out chaos, or is he knows, or do they bring them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because whenever, because we were having no problems, but now we'll think of a trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know problem before, they showed up lots of problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: It tells me, I love that because that isn't a lot of the stories in the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: It inquisitors, especially, or to smelly, inquisitors, or even heredic, like it's comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people don't know if there was chaos in their world.
[SPEAKER_01]: The exact, like, of course, it was you came in the chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, are you like,
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's always been here.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Gandalf in the first, the Lord of the Rings, because after he got back with Bilbo from the first one, I'd do this reference if you don't know it, that's a total you problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Hobbits had labeled him a trouble maker, because the last time he'd come through there was trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: So therefore, trouble maker.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the English is, but unless funny sense and more of it, everyone dies to a demon.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like this would be great except for everybody dies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not never got to the shire But they'll run goes to the shire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see it's not it's not even one episode It's a YouTube short Just a little hobbits flying everywhere, but anyway
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's actually spend a lot on what the job of an inquisitor is because I like to put I want to put us in that role like what what am I doing as an inquisitor?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the first and foremost pieces inquisitors believe in what they're doing more than almost anyone in the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and a lot of the inquisitors have unshakable belief.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would go with the ones that are the biggest believers are the Malias, or the Malias because they're
[SPEAKER_01]: you have looked into like actual evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen, you've seen, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You may not have met a blood therster, but you've met probably most too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you've seen a couple of them have it most of the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like actual magical evil, like evil incarnate.
[SPEAKER_01]: the essence of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would actually I would argue that the the Ordozinos and 41st who've been to planets, the ternids were I'd been through, probably have a similar viewpoint of, I, oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the things, like, those are the people that will do the worst things.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, that's why I said the Ordozinos, while not good, and none of them are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: or at least doing the thing you can concretely see.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a citizen, they're fighting alien invasion alien this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to go, hey, I'm Ordo Heredicus, Armouro Malias, I'm a letterly and go, I'm fighting against the idea of evil from the chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what does that even mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched a wrong book or movie when it was easy to be like, remember that you're a curry grade that happened a while ago?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm trying to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to happen anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: High five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I killed Ted.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, why did Ted have to die?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like Ted could have spread an idea of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, I don't even know what that means, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You killed Ted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I liked Ted.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would be money.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the inquisitors really are because of this, they're that grizzled movie detective, where everyone tells him it was a suicide and they're saying no, it was a murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is what their job is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the issue is, was the chaos incursion easily put down or did the chaos incursion actually just come in and leave, like a bad news crusades?
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is like, do you think about the abadden's first crusade, where he comes out of the warp?
[SPEAKER_00]: He had no actual intention of conquering the galaxy, but he's just ravaging it, the space Marines and he peon, go to fight back, and abadden sure treats back to the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, see, we got him, it's all done.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be the inquisition, it would be the ones who would say, no, something, what else do they do?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's missing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where did he go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what got stolen?
[SPEAKER_00]: Something this was too easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the job of the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's call out what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's bad news.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means everyone else is trying to celebrate the great victory.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're the one saying, I don't think we won.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's more going on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because all of the things that the inquisition,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisitors are focused on this stuff in the shadows, so they're constantly versus like the space Marines where it's like, yep, they are, and now that I hear anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: This makes it a lot cooler, I think, from what they're doing, but also makes it a lot harder for the citizenry, because there was saying, no, no, the threats over.
[SPEAKER_00]: The threat's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: We beat the threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're saying, I would also like to have the great parade for our great victory as opposed to the guy that goes, hey, I need to tear apart your life to find out if something else happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you suck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go back to the parade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, having an awesome parade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you guys saying, who here's an old blue, the jaws reference, where he's measuring the bite, the tiger shark, this thing, this isn't wide enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the inquisition does.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but the thing is they're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty true.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of collateral damage in the inquisitorial investigations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I made the note here where the promisingquisitors rarely know the level of what they're looking for.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes it exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go into the movie detective reference though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inquisitors are constantly have no idea whether
[SPEAKER_01]: John's a corrupt governor, not conductive gas.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just sucks, he's just a dick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was actually selling people to the dark all day, whatever, but then there's also the times when John's actually one of Abadon's key leaders and he's been corrupting 42 other systems on his travels as he's pretending to sell apples.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was a, I'm 1400 years old, but thanks, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and
[SPEAKER_01]: probably that's exactly what it is there let me help you oh my god look over there bang yeah and i'm not the killer because i've been doing bad things for the last 1400 yes there's a hell brute like one floor down yeah you have no idea what you're getting into and i think that's
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most exciting things in the 40K lore, I do love, and I love Marines, and I got into the game because of the horse heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're looking out, continue things that I can relate to as mad, the regular dude, the very tall regular dude, that...
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all things that I say to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, we do a League of Voting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be the League of Voting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll probably title it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad's taller than me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the, but the thing is that you can relate to these people because they're not super powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're pretty juiced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, by the way, it's a bad estimate.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just want to do something to have augmentation, but the thing is they're not any more juiced up or augmented than other impulses we can be.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the things they keep getting involved in these, it's why I like the story so much because you have no idea what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: There.
[SPEAKER_01]: looking into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a tiny thing or am I looking into the mob?
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I looking to the cast?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you even getting into?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're starting to pull the threads and oh shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why I have this little symbol.
[SPEAKER_01]: That tells me that I can grab whatever I need because sometimes you thought this was like a tiny,
[SPEAKER_01]: thing and it becomes this gigantic crazy thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Storyline wise things.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to watch this show already.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great show because what we just described is literally every good video game we've ever played.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this this piece of I'm going to go with it Final Fantasy 7.
[SPEAKER_00]: It starts off with just a guy on a little mission and then Sephiroth seems like you might be a problem and later on you are fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every the world destruction of that exactly in like she also like found this in nine Let's me
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's the same cost it onto, it lines good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the point thing is that this is the whole thing about the inquisers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could be something that is present.
[SPEAKER_00]: Simple as like some guy is stealing apples and look corrupt, but he was just stealing apples all the way up to a bad and 14th crusade.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about to be getting you just found it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hall.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they, with this though, the issue with the citizenry and this is that in order to,
[SPEAKER_00]: properly investigate.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got to keep themselves a little bit quiet and they got to move a bit more through the shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: As is why they have the retinues that also, because you can't just walk up and ask, you need people that can walk up and ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so for the citizenry, this is where it becomes an issue because these guys may not always present themselves as inquisitors.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: there's just some off some of the greatest stories are the fact that nobody knows this guy's an inquisitor until he grabs something and you had.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go into the corruption in a second, but you got a lot of these guys that have been he's just a rogue trader and then they just cruise around and then when he has to throw down, he's oh yeah, I'm also this and I need all your stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually not a road trader.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a quizzard Lord, and you and all of your spaceships are coming with me over that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wait, today?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like now this is a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go into two things on this as we've got and those for it, because you need to be a little bit underhanded.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to be cloak and dagger.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have people working for you that are
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe tainted by cash because you need to know the workings of cash, maybe tainted by zenos because they know the workings of zenos or sometimes on some of the inquisitors ships you actually have zenos that work for them on their ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the things that when you get down the rabbit hole a little bit too far, when all you have working for you,
[SPEAKER_01]: our criminals quote or quote criminals you are corrupted and you keep trying to win your battles by using Xenos technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: heretic technology will sometimes things don't go that well over a lifetime of doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the note I made here is sometimes the heretic hunter becomes the heretic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is probably one of the biggest problems with the inquisition is all this stuff we've been building and we talk again from a citizenry standpoint, the citizenry's biggest
[SPEAKER_00]: it's a heretic Where?
[SPEAKER_00]: Against the biggest danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to those eyes in our books.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of other sort of ravener shades, but there's a lot of others.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the things that the guys that are the biggest assels, the Puritan Acquisitors, they do have points, they've got a great point because they understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like a guy with unlimited power, they get corrupted to chaos, still has unlimited power.
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, we should have mentioned is that a good number of inquisitors are psychers.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot more than you'd expect are also psychers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also will routinely have psychers in their retinues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sikers have direct access to the warp, which means.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, in the better part is, a lot of these Sikers are considered minor Sikers, which means that they have lower levels of power, but they have lower levels of defense, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're constantly engaging with chaos, and the chaos powers eventually go, this guy has feeble ability to stop me from just going in his mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you keep picking up my artifacts, oh, and if you load up your crew with criminals, that you usually can control, and people that are already chaos corrupted because they've been looking through that stuff, and then you become corrupted in your cruegos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually like him better this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to do bad shit anyways.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the other way.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is because inquisitors, with me discuss this, we're going to keep probably having to make these detective references, but they're good references.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea is, inquisitors do use torture.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do only, even inquisitor with good intentions.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll eventually do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you weren't, it's the same thing with, if you're trying, we'll use, who says better.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in inquisitors, let's say you're ordozinos and you're trying to track down
[SPEAKER_00]: of very remote or hard to find Zeno.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have psychic powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you can tell you where that guy is right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zee, Zeech, right today.
[SPEAKER_00]: do you go that route same with it if you're or don't malice you're trying to track down a demon incursion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know who tell you where they are?
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be craft world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Might also be your car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, be works.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get corrupted, but you could save millions of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is and there's actually a very good moment in this in the eyes and horns second novel, which I really I loved, but in the discovery of the book, I'm not going to read to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the impure like chaplains and acquistorial chaplains stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are terrible exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do like horrible things all the time and they're also one of the things and one of my favorite lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been in many things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's better to kill thousands or millions than let one a heretic live.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so with that, don't forget, when you do all this murder and all this killing and all these things, chaos will use corn because you just want to understand, corn cares not where the why the blood spills, just the blood spills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if an inquisitor can be doing actions in the effort to overturn chaos, but if he's doing the actions of chaos, it's probably not miracle, but whatever, but in the actions of chaos, that God gets fed by that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chaos gods are not that strategic, like I just said really well, as I'm doing things that are making slenesh happy by torturing someone by pulling their fingernails off or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slenesh, if I'm saying, if I have psychic powers, may just accidentally give me more power as I do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm actually becoming corrupted and not real.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's stories where you just go, I want more power here's more power.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like a lot of times, they get you on the, you're just weirdly enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm slightly better and we'll go with slash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I seem like better at my interrogations now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also really better at convincing some of these criminals and everything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all seem to be really, I'm leveling up with my, I must just be getting way better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oops.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all this again, just a quick note here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The emperor by the late knows more than chaos does, but he's just not talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're stuck here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you end up with a lot of inquisitors making these decisions of is the enemy of my enemy, my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: that is to me, at least, feels like the overarching theme in inquisitorial corruption.
[SPEAKER_00]: And inquisitorial corruption is the ultimate danger for the citizenry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not, and this comes into two forms.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, a corrupt inquisitor has unlimited power, so you can't stop them from doing anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be bad things are going to happen to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem for the citizenry is,
[SPEAKER_01]: It always ends up terrible because if you do what the heretical inquisitor tells you to do, you end up doing terrible shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also, at the end, another inquisition like I'm going to show off exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, man, I did want to do all these horrible things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other quizzier goes, you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you should also die horribly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, you guys saw this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see, imagine your librarian at a top say, at the top secret facility.
[SPEAKER_00]: And an inquisitor comes in and shows you there in quizzitorial badge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And says, I need to see all the top secret stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't say no, so you let him in, and they come in there and they use whatever it is, and they read all the top stickers off and they leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a month later, another question shows up and says, hey, was someone so just here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I let him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had a badge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, what did he access?
[SPEAKER_00]: All this stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to blow your planet up now because that guy actually was corrupt by and that's the end of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have no win here.
[SPEAKER_00]: None whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, there's just crossfire where you must do might just be on a ship or on a planet that has a corrupting visitor on it and the wrestling
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty big.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Space Marines are here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Space Marines besides my beloved Sam Amanda's.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually more like that situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sisters have showed up and there's just a lot of melted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just like, hey, if we shoot this general direction, we'll kill the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, yeah, but there's a lot of other people that are like, well, they shouldn't be there, you know, but, you know, what never mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this becomes one of when we discuss, are they good or bad for the citizenry at their design?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, their function is nightmarish.
[SPEAKER_00]: You really cannot, there's just no win here, because
[SPEAKER_00]: other thing too is at the end of the day, inquisters are pretty hard to kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you have the corrupting inquisitor, remember, corrupting non-corrupt, they live their lives, investigating things that want to kill them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're super cagey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're also a lot of them, cough, cough,
[SPEAKER_00]: aren't individually are taken out of assassins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's taken out imperial assassins.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a badass fighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, but they're also, they plan for the worst at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also have 43 exit plans and they have unlimited resources to fix whatever happened to them because hey, you try to ambush me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what did I do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, again, I'll blow up the world that you were trying to ambush me on while you're still standing on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I can access any amount of information.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you told anybody that you're on your way to get me, I know that you're on your way, and I called somebody else up to intercept you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is important to remember, and inquisitor is a job for life.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't retire.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no retired inquisitive.
[SPEAKER_01]: The inquisitors get you old enough where you no longer are fast enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't you got a little too complacent because you haven't been jumping a while and you almost always die.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a gazelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could run and you run and you run and eventually the lions are quicker.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, so this is going to go bad, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to get torn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't, there's no like special funeral pyre, you just died.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is actually the best death for an inquisitor because, oh, yeah, what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was too slow and a greater demon took me home as a play thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: or a homoculus got a hold of me or I was accused of heresy, whether I am or I'm not, I was putting to a penitent engine in the guest of my life or you're putting in one of those in tomb things that just tortures you forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: This forever to get information out.
[SPEAKER_00]: This makes again corrupt.
[SPEAKER_00]: and inquisitors real bugaboo because they're not going down without a fight and they will and they'll do things don't forget that because that power they'll do things like send the Imperial Navy to go attack the other Imperial Navy and both Imperial Navy's don't know yet you two Imperial Navy's both being directed to shoot each other by two different inquisitors yep now them can say no yep
[SPEAKER_00]: And more, yeah, it's just fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, let's dive into the meat here or just conclude the main meat here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the inquisition good or bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all gray area, yeah, it's all gray area.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it actually, that's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with my, I'm going to start this place.
[SPEAKER_01]: The inquisitions ridiculously bad, but necessary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the, if we're ranking them, it's definitely, I think brand-night both agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: order heredicous by my worst.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still standing by auto malias.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is the better.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much more room to miss on that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is, but I just think that the the or the or the or the, you know, since probably because I'm mostly placing those armies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a little bit of like magnets that nothing wrong here on my side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that they are, they do treat all of them the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whereas I think the order malias, I also play chaos armies and they are all back.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no
[SPEAKER_01]: That, then, Corn, question mark, probably not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, grab it, just get hit by an axe and just rot away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's true, but there's an embrace.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is they do terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're 85% awful and 15% still awful, but necessary.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the challenges also, when we talk about the inquisition from a citizenry standpoint, the order of heredic is a part of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is nothing, the citizenry want less than order of heredicists to show up and say,
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing, they're still, like I said, they're awful, awful, like five options.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are necessary, though, John, because demons exist in our, in this game.
[SPEAKER_01]: In this world, demons are a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can just
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about being bad enough, and it'll manifest.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here it is, my show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeans dealer quotes exist where you have to go, hey, man, I think that the guy sweeping has an extra arm that he keeps under his cloak.
[SPEAKER_00]: That could probably be terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to follow you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to shit on that so hard, but you're Jason, they're called, what a weird thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to make it extra armed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, my issue is that when I will use the Eisenhower books primarily, but also the Ravana books, there's no interaction in those books.
[SPEAKER_00]: where he leaves and it's positive for the place that he left.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, everything's a trash.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 80s like it walks away from explosion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every single place he goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone ends up dead or it's destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always nearly in times worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every single, I have to look to the book scan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of anybody that helps him ever comes out better at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of people that just don't die.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think everyone else, I mean, still shitty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I can literally think they'll be in our discord who grabbed me for not knowing these names.
[SPEAKER_00]: But his pilot in the first book, he was not his right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm talking to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're with the right new though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even in the ret mood, they're all dying a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, he just throws Astropath in a woodchipper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like, so many of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the, he's his Astro Pass or Star Trek Red Shirts?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, he's just heads popping every five seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, to the point where I said, he, he and her, I'm surprised they kept giving him name.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes and gets, like, resources and different things from multiple people.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has connections and stuff, but every connection he has I'm trying to think, I haven't read the books in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are one of the, to be honest, whether they first came on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've read the eyes on our books twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I just loved them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm thinking I'm trying to think back because he interacts with the ton of people, but something bad always said they lose, they have less shit almost every every time he interacts with someone that person ends up getting killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are they just four, seven to ten times?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or the place they lose resources, they no longer have a business.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have their own contacts or the world is shit after he leaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a fair bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when we talk about like from the citizenry standpoint, I think Brad's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The citizenry need the inquisition and they do a lot of good for the citizenry as a system.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the planet that they're doing the court of a good on, no, you're all dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not supposed to say they're awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just awful, but they're necessary.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do the shit that everybody would say is this good?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's terrible that you are bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: However,
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody has to get this done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would sum it up as saying I really want this inquisition to show up two to three systems over
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably good for you to take care of this problem, like a neighborhood or two over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the next solar system over, if they're working there really heavily, that's probably good for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I work cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want to even, I mean, if it's multiple planets in my system, I don't want them on any of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they're on one of them, the furthest one from me, that's kind of where you want them doing their good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are not going to help.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they're on your planet, at least I hope you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to help the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that feels like a fair assessment.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I am going to hand this on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love everybody to go into our discord onto the page.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like and subscribe, but also.
[SPEAKER_01]: especially in the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are always looking for the next thing we can do because let me shoot this out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have infinite topics to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'd love to see what you would like to hear about next.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we would love to go with some of the passion projects that you have.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of people that are huge on specific factions, specific chapters and
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did have a down.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do some more characters where we would love to hear what you would have to say, what are your favorite characters that we need to go ahead and spoil it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next cast we're going to do it and be diving into the planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not sure if it's one or two casts yet because not all the way written, but stuff like what is life like on an angry world, death world bed, death world, death world, real bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The things we're going to do, I really want to talk about the high
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that with I've wrote you're going to be a big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The majority of the citizen we live in though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why you have Necromanda.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gains things are bad in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why people turn to chaos and things of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why there's such a pretty well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything that would be, and we'll talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually think it's exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a religion a lot of lore that goes into any of the you guys that play Necromanda.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole
[SPEAKER_00]: Sub-sective lore, like I was in the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that we're going to do a lot more of is focusing on this era between M32 and M41 because it's not played in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stuff that it's all referenced in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the characters, Brad and I discussed we're going to be diving to Aaron on in the near future because Aaronman's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Trilogy Books fantastic, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the thing we're looking for most is, hey, I play 40k or I read 40k, and I hear this reference a lot, and I don't really necessarily know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, during a discord, like and subscribe to the podcast, come check out the website.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is John Barsodian, Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you next week.
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