[SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't Channing Tatum in Tron Aries?
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Recordopia, a happy home for recommended movies, TV shows, music, video games, foodstuffs, and more from three people you can definitely trust.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now, here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Ian Dyson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone, it is Rekatopia episode 184.
[SPEAKER_01]: My name is Chris Atkinson joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: and also joined by Aaron Dicer.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do we owe all of Fenerino's?
[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'd also like to welcome chat who have come out here to watch us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about movies on Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today's big recommend is a perfect getaway from 2009.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get on to our small recommends.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so small and light, it's small, it's tiny, it's petite, it's weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an olive-on, Mr. Frodo.
[SPEAKER_03]: My small recommend happens to actually be playing right now on my television on the channel that I watched it on two or three times over the last month.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Jack Reacher with Mr. Tom Cruise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you laughing?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's watching the movie while doing the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't put it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just running.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on.
[SPEAKER_01]: How could you, how could you change anything about that situation?
[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Jack Reacher is on stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first Tom Cruise Christopher McCquarie pairing that I'm aware of as director and actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would go on to of course make many mission impossible movies and they work together on top.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come, Maverick.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is the first time they work together, and I understand that for fans of these books, which I have never read, the casting of Tom Cruise was quite the controversy because Reacher is a man that's supposed to be ginormous like the Hulk, and Tom Cruise is as we all know.
[SPEAKER_03]: not ginormous.
[SPEAKER_03]: That being said, if you can put any baggage aside that you have with the books or if you've never read the books, this is a very entertaining movie to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: The action scenes are readily fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tom Cruise shines in this kind of a role and he's always the hot shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the mystery is satisfying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jai Courtney is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robert DeVal has a small role as the owner of a gun range and he's really fun and full of life and it has one of my favorite car chases in it in Pittsburgh where it kind of stops and starts as they go between streets and alleys and he loses them and then they find him and then
[SPEAKER_03]: such and such.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to ruin the movie for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just find it very entertaining.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the sequel as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jack Reacher never go back with Colby's moongers, but I just want a little better.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have not seen the TV series, so I'm really a Jack Reacher outsider.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the movie really sings to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's only like a 60 something on Rotten Tomatoes, which is weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like seven out of 10 on IMDB, which is pretty good rating for IMDB.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not sure where you're fall, but I enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's my small argument?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I really like Jack Reacher quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a big fan of the sequel, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that one was, I thought that was actually legitimately bad, but you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but the first one's good, and I love the opening of that of Jack Reacher with the, just looking through the, the little scope and, and all that, and then, you know, you think you know exactly what happened there, but there's so many other things,
[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't have satisfied readers of this franchise, but for me, who also has read the books, or whatever, the funny thing to me is there's a part where he's getting framed for something, and the hotel clerk, or the motel clerk,
[SPEAKER_01]: describes him as this huge person, like they just completely forgot about that in the writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, and it's like, no, this is not that, uh, is it, uh, was Alan Rich?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rich and some of that I can't remember who does the, the, the guy in the TV show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the first season of the TV show, which is really, really good, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen the other seasons, but uh, but yeah, I really like this, I really like this one quite a bit, really good
[SPEAKER_04]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I share both of your opinions, Chris, I think the first one is great and the second one is not great.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's kind of my opinion.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this, this is one of my favorite runs of Tom Cruise when he did Jack Reacher, Oblivion and Edge of Tomorrow, like back to back to back.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like Reacher and Oblivion especially are these underrated, great Tom Cruise films that just, you know, people,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... forget that he did uh... so yeah i i i really like uh... the first secretary for sure yet it is all enriching who uh... does the uh... tv series uh... dice are what he got i got tron airy's uh... world you're the contrarian on this one i think yes
[SPEAKER_04]: This is my trademark, you know, a stump-speeching for apparently bad movies, but I think this one for me is a little bit different in that I'm not sure I'm here to say this is a great quote-unquote movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think what I'm here to say is this is one of the greatest movie-going experiences I've ever had.
[SPEAKER_04]: In many ways, this is my like the raid, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Where it's like, yeah, the story is the story, whatever the story is, but did you see what happened in that movie?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is, this is Tron Aries for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I watch it and I go, I'm blown away by everything on screen.
[SPEAKER_04]: The nine inch mail soundtrack is absolutely insane in that Dolby surround, you know, it's just,
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a feast for the senses in a way that I have rarely experienced.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I will say, I saw it in IMAX Laser 3D.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I think the 3D here is a big part of this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have been a proponent of 3D.
[SPEAKER_04]: I continue to be a proponent of 3D when it's used correctly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in this case, I think it adds a lot to this experience and to the story with what's going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, beyond that, the actual movie part of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought everybody in this was adequate to good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really identified with a lot of the themes of how technology changes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it really feels like a tron movie, like it feels like a lot of those themes really tie into the first and second movies, and kind of what they're talking about with this idea of,
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, artificial life coming from digital life and what that means and what that looks like.
[SPEAKER_04]: I actually think the taking the digital world and bringing it to the real world stuff is done in a really smart way in that it I can almost there's a 3D printing element to it that I think makes it feel more realistic than upon first thinking about that would be.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I found it really fascinating, interesting, but mostly of all just a
[SPEAKER_04]: really fun watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had a great time watching this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a lot of curious things about this movie being made though.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was brought up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think pretty ad nauseam over the weekend because obviously it didn't do the kind of business they were hoping it was going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just what Trond does, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The first Trond was not a huge hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It became kind of a cult favorite on video.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took forever to actually come out with a sequel that again, nobody watched and everybody was excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really more excited about the death
[SPEAKER_01]: punk soundtrack, then they were the movie itself, although I think I'm with the company of people who love Tron Legacy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it since it came out, or since we send it or whatever, but so I may give it another chance one day, but I didn't like it when I saw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now there's this one, and it's like, what has Tron done to make Disney say, let's come out with another one?
[SPEAKER_01]: and then the Jared let-o thing like what has Jared let-o done keep putting him in movies like this as the headlining star and it's like as he has he done anything that people like they're drawn to him he's so he's not bad here I do think it's unfortunate that that conversation outweighs Greta Lee and Evan Peters so I think are both really good here I think they both
[SPEAKER_04]: really good work, but all the focus is on whitish Jared, let O keep getting movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I totally understand that focus.
[SPEAKER_03]: But didn't they sink a couple hundred million into the Tron ride?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, oh, yeah, it's IP.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Disney thing, it's about IP.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about getting IP into their parks.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I guess that makes some sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: This movie to make a ton of money.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like you said, Chris, I think all the Tron movies have become ultimately
[SPEAKER_03]: fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first two tron movies of ultimately become cult hits after performing poorly at the box office.
[SPEAKER_03]: That may happen to this one as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I saw the trailer for this and a saw that the idea was essentially it's tron shit, but it's in the real world now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was fooled.
[SPEAKER_03]: like I'll watch it like I'm excited to watch it and then I know the soundtrack is going to be great and yeah it looks visually like a friend of mine saw it and said uh he thought it was really bad and I said what was it at least fun to look at and he said yeah it was yeah that's all I really need
[SPEAKER_01]: it does it does make me wonder though if if everything is all around the fact that they're they've made a ride or or something for it you know what exactly does coming out with a movie no one's going to see do for that ride so I
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just a cycle, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there are kids that are going to see the movie on Disney Plus at some point, and then want to go to the ride, and I think there are kids at the park who ride the ride, and then they're going to be like, there's a movie about that, I don't want to see this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe so.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a light cycle, if you will.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, somebody in the comments says what my friend Patrick already told me that the ride is pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it's just keeping the brand in the public consciousness.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like all the advertising they're doing for the movie is also for the brand itself, you know, muted in people's minds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess somewhere there's a bottom line that says this was all worth it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and again, they might be wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: They might be wasting money.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's very, very possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember that Star Wars immersive hotel they built?
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the full four and a half hour video by Jenny Nicholson where she went through and did all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: She went through every single part of it and told reviewed all of it and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My small recommend is also a movie that came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this past weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Roof Man starring Channing Tatum and Kirsten Dunst.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is about a guy who
[SPEAKER_01]: Started robbing some McDonald's because he has a daughter that he wants to like give all the best things in life too and everything and He gets caught He gets caught doing it, but the he leaves kind of an Of a calling card a sort of an inadvertent calling card is that he's very very nice
[SPEAKER_01]: and polite.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like when he tells these McDonalds employees while he's going to, he's going to, he's going to steal from their safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tells them to get in the freezer and the one guy didn't, the one manager didn't bring a coat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, what, what are you doing now?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so cold outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't you bring a coat?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he takes his own coat off of himself to put the gim through the manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, unfortunately, all this free spending of all the money that he has stolen, uh, gets him on the radar of the, of the, of the police.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, and, uh, so he gets, uh, taken to jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then he finds a way to escape from the jail and instead of just trying to make a run for the border, he makes a run for the toys of us that he can just break into and he sort of sets up a kind of a living quarters hidden from everybody's view.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what follows is kind of like a career
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Frank Waley like falling in love with Jennifer Connelly or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, it's just he's going through the story, he's learning things.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can steal from the story, he's learning things about the employees, he's learning all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, he meets Kirsten Donts to work at the store and they start a relationship, which
[SPEAKER_01]: is what I what I hear is a bad thing to do when you're on the run from the law.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't really want to start relationships with that kind of a baggage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody says, uh, I want to see your place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he he of course he does the whole like I'm working for the government and I can't tell you where I live type of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is based on a true story, they even have a whole bunch of stuff at the end where the actual people are talking about what happened and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure much like a lot of these type of movies, they changed some details here and there to make it more of a movie and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Channing Tatum is very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think much of Channing Tatum when I first saw him early on when he was doing, he did step up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was just another one of these good-looking dudes with a shirt off or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna be, that's what he's gonna be for the rest of his life, but he really has over the last 20 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he's really become kind of a go-to guy, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I come to the point of welcoming Janet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why aren't Channing Tatum and Tron Aries?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Kirsten Dunst has become a terrific actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, I've always liked her.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I think she's so good now, and I'm wondering if like, you know, all that time with Jesse Blyman's and everything, it's like there's this whole like thing going on where they're like top trying to top each other now and everything, and like they've just become extremely good at what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always like Kirsten does, but I think she's become even better now, now and now in her 40s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, this is a very entertaining movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Dinklage is in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome as the toys were us manager Yeah, really fun, maybe Man, I did not and this this is the first time even hearing of this movie like somehow
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love that this can happen because I consume about as much entertainment news as just humanly possible, and yet there's still so much of it to be removed with a bunch of stars in it that I know that I've never even heard of.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when you said something about McDonald's robbery, I thought, oh, this is a true story, I think I think I remember read about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll check it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I apparently, I was about to say it, but apparently stumbled on one that Aaron hasn't seen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I haven't had a chance to get out and see it yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I am excited to see it because like you, I think a chanting Tatum is always interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, chooses interesting projects.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, I'm interested in seeing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's get on to our big recommend, and it is Jeremy's turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie is, well, I was about to say, roof man.
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie is a perfect getaway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy, take it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's no big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so small and light.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's small, it's tiny, it's petite, it's weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: Perfect getaway from Mr. Brooks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I perfect getaways, 2009.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thriller starring Steve Zahn and Millid Jolavich as a pair of newlyweds on their honeymoon in Hawaii.
[SPEAKER_03]: As opposed to going to a resort like a normal couple, Cliff and Sidney are going to do some remote hiking and camping.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like outside in nature with all the spiders and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're here for a fairly famous remote trail.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to butcher all these Hawaiian names.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kalalau, a real-life trail that is considered one of the most beautiful and dangerous in all the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before hitting the trail, they stop off for some supplies, where the shop owner doesn't like cliffs chances of completing the hike in three days, but he does like cliffs chances at a second blow job in the car after Sydney openly offers it in front of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, there is a young worker who helps them load their car.
[SPEAKER_03]: His name might be chuckle.
[SPEAKER_03]: As the vehicle backs out, we see the newspaper they have parked on, has a front page headline reading young couple butchered in Honolulu.
[SPEAKER_03]: Along the road, two the trails, Sydney completely harmlessly remarks about loving their new lives before they decide to stop and pick up two people walking on the road.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it's angry Thor and his girlfriend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thor has a tattoo that says do not revive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the newlyweds decide to lie and say they aren't going as far as the couple needs them to go before Cleo.
[SPEAKER_03]: The girlfriend starts showing them photos and they change their minds and off for the ride.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thor, whose name is Kale, isn't having it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been offended and he demands Cleo get the fuck out of this man's ride.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a ways into the trail on the first day, they come to a seemingly impossible wet cliff section.
[SPEAKER_03]: Suddenly, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, the elephant, shows up and he crosses it easily.
[SPEAKER_03]: Clif then crosses, and finally Sydney crosses, but a jump-scaring bouncer to the helicopter startling her until all of font grabs her arm and pulls her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then helicopters, always sneaking up on you.
[SPEAKER_03]: His name ends up being Nick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for recognizing Clif.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Clif's an actor, but it turns out Clif is a screenwriter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick's a bit of a writer himself, and even read a book about screenwriting.
[SPEAKER_03]: His demeanor and question is kind of annoying Cliff.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a very aggressive personality.
[SPEAKER_03]: The group comes upon a trio of girls who tell them that there have been some murders on the other island.
[SPEAKER_03]: They learn the suspects are man and a woman, which Nick notes his like the movie natural born killers while making no mention of Brad Pitt's California with the kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff and Sidney decide to continue the hike despite the news of the murders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick also mentions he's headed back to his campsite at a falls, and he had only run back to the truck for some extra butane.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff sees that the couple they stranded on the trail or on the road are behind them on the trail, so they decide to change their plans and hike off the path with Nick to the falls.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are they find Nick's completely naked girlfriend, as Nick strips and joins her in the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't even previously know Nick was here with anybody else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sydney takes off her clothes and gets in the water, while Cliff climbs up the, well, Cliff to try and get a better cell phone reception.
[SPEAKER_03]: There, Googling on a hilariously dated 2008ish phone, Cliff learns that authorities believed the killers who removed teeth and fingerprints from their victims have jumped to the smaller island Cliff and Sydney are now on.
[SPEAKER_03]: As he loads a photo of the suspect, he is startled by the sudden appearance of Kael and Cleop.
[SPEAKER_03]: kale ominously talks about how people probably die on an industrial all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's confrontational with cliff, calling him on his lies and blocking the path when Cliff tries to leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just as the confrontation hits up, Nick shows up and disrupts things enough that he and Cliff leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick and Gina decide to tag along on the hike with the newlyweds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before heading out, Cliff realizes he's lost the permits, and goes digging around and kale's back, finding a business cart for Ernesto Padillo, a California parole agent.
[SPEAKER_03]: The for some then begins hiking again, and I don't know if they filmed this movie at the actual trail, but this place is beautiful and dangerous as hell.
[SPEAKER_03]: On the journey, Nick tells some wild stories, wild enough to make one wonder if he's full of shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Gina proves to be my kind of gal, by firing up a joint to make the hike and Nick stories more bearable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick used to be special forces, he says, and calls himself an American Jedi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, the kind of person that might have a violent streak and be a killer.
[SPEAKER_03]: He starts talking as though Cliff is going to write as next movie about Nick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina says of Nick.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's really hard to kill, and Cliff and Sidney exchange a perfectly harmless glance that means nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff creates a private moment by having Sydney pretend to pee and shows her the photo of the murder suspect.
[SPEAKER_03]: He seems to think it's Nick and Gina in the photo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff then asks, What do we really know about these people aside from their stories and movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: You are walking a very fine line right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Due to the huge storm that suddenly approaches they are forced to stop and camp for the night, and check off butane finally returns to cook some dinner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff proves to be terrible at setting up a tent while Nick is basically bare grills.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and we see a shadowy figure walk by their campsite in the woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just before Nick starts staring into the woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: The ultimately says, probably just a goat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff says, I haven't seen any goats and Nick responds,
[SPEAKER_03]: Timothy Olifant then has a bunch of fun with a monologue about how where he is of everything when he boards a plane while he's also putting together a bow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick just assumes Cliff will go go hunting with him and when Cliff declines Nick goes all here kitty kitty kitty in the contest ending way that still made all my cats run into my office.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff says the taunts don't work on him, but we cut straight to him following Nick in the woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the woods, in the rain, Nick says to Cliff, he crossed my mind, but it crossed your mind that we're the ones, me and Gina.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff denies that and says, lots of people were one, Oahu, when the murders happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: He then says, we're not really hunting goats here, are we?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick replies, ah, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick says there are two people who are shadowing them who have taken two looks at the camp and then to cover somewhere here in the woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: We cut back to the camp as Gina lights up the joint again and I'm beginning to think Gina likes weed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cindy talks about having five kids in the future and describes her perfect future with cliff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina retorts with a story about a preacher getting caught with a male prostitute that is so realistic a thing to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It almost pulled me out of the fictional movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says, so now when people tell me about their
[SPEAKER_03]: But we cut back to the men in the woods before getting any reply from Sidney other than Nick Fox with Cliff using military hand signals before we're walking off just as Cliff spots a nearby campfire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sydney's response ultimately is to tell a story that is probably 100% true despite how horrifying it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before a jump-scaring bastard of a huge dead palm leaf falls on the tent.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the camp in the woods, it turns out to be the kid from the shop who loaded Cliff's gear into the Jeep, who has come deep into the fucking jungle to give Cliff his permits which he had left behind.
[SPEAKER_03]: He thought he'd seen Cliff at the camp, but because there were four peeps, he didn't think it was him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he and his lady made camp.
[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, this character deserves employee of the month or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a hell of a lot more than turning a lost wallet into the police station.
[SPEAKER_03]: This trail is deadly, and yeah, he's local and probably knows it well, but he's spent more than a day trying to reunite a dumb American with a piece of paper.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff returns to camp alone, shortly followed by Nick, who's carrying a wild goat for dinner.
[SPEAKER_03]: The movie makes the interesting choice of showing us a good portion of the breaking down of the carcass, which I don't appreciate.
[SPEAKER_03]: After words in their tent, Cliff tells Sidney that Nick and Gina are officially crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is a hell of a thing to say, given what we don't yet know about Cliff and Sidney.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sidney says, let's pack our bags and get out of here, but Cliff convinces her they need to ride us out and go to the last two miles to the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the morning, Cliff wakes to the sound of a police helicopter.
[SPEAKER_03]: It passes by them and then at the next cliff, starts calling to unknown people to put their hands up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it turns out to be Kael and Cleo.
[SPEAKER_03]: The cops stop the force from getting too close to the arrests, but we do see that the cops find a container of teeth and Kael's backpack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina jokes to Cliff and Sidney, I thought it might have been you guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to be clear, once the movie continues, after the arrests of Kayle and Cleo, it should be obvious to any viewers that the killers are one of the two couples we've got left and not Kayle and Cleo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps some viewers think the movie is going to resolve the killer mystery, but then still have 40 minutes left where the non-color characters play on the beach and have blow jobs and goat meat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Bush can mention Nick to go kayak, to some caves by appealing to his vanity about the movie project, and Nick goes for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the moment I think a lot of viewers subconscious starts to make some noise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina shows up and just picks up Cliff and Sidney's camcorder and starts snooping through it like a snooping snooper.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also Cliff and Sidney are really fucking stupid, relieving everything on this camcorder or memory card or whatever is in there, like stupid with a capital RU freaking kidding me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina quickly denoses that Cliff and Sidney were not who they said they were, largely because the wedding photos don't match.
[SPEAKER_03]: She tries to yell for Nick, but he's too far out on the water to hear what she's saying, so she takes off trying to find a place above sea level that has access to the caves Nick is headed to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sydney then arrives at the camcorder and realizes Gina has figured things out and chases after her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina finds a video game wall she has to climb and the movie just jumps right over all the struggle that it would have been and shows her arriving at the top while Sydney arrives at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the cave, I cannot tell for sure but I think Nick's alcohol question about the scorpion somehow makes him realize he is the scorpion and he's about to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: As cliff decides to throw
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of just shooting him, and for a killing of it likes to collect the teeth and fingerprints of their victims, I got to say shooting someone in a kayak, in an ocean cave, seems like a really stupid plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before we learn how the shooting played out, we're treated to an extensive flashback, and when I say extensive, I truly mean it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Showing Cliff and Sydney killing and taking over the personalities of various people, and that Nick had planned to propose to Gina on the beach and who might.
[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, it's a lot of black and white flashback, and I'll admit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: The movie thinks it's important for us to see them smoking crack or meth because after Cliff Schootsnik, Cliff's teeth go from white to pretty messed up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sidney catches up to Gina and the two fight, but Gina ultimately wins by dodging the knife attack, sending Sidney plummeting into the ocean cave below, but leaving Gina with a knife in her leg, which she pulls on immediately, like a moron.
[SPEAKER_03]: She now then learns the cave as empty, and she goes walking towards the edge of the cliff for some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose she's looking for a cliff for Sydney, but then her phone rings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unknown color.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a sales call from an AT&T guy named Woody, and she tries to explain it to him the current situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: She begs him to send help before she sees Sydney rolling a kayak out of the cave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Suddenly, cliff appears, just climbing atop the cliff and grabs her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She kicks him and gets away, and he fires blindly, and she runs away, managing to hit her at least once.
[SPEAKER_03]: she grabs the knife and stabs his hand into the rock before he has completely climbed up.
[SPEAKER_03]: He then radios to Sydney, who heads for the beach, as he chases after Gina on foot.
[SPEAKER_03]: back at the cave we learned Nick actually is very hard to kill as he was faking dead and breathing under his overturned kayak.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the story about the metal plate in his head from earlier is true and that's what deflected the bullet and kept him alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: We then get a really cool moment where everyone is racing through the woods and the presentation of the frames changes setting up two or three frames within a single shot that rapidly slide to the right or the left and it's not something that I've seen a lot in any other movies and it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gina is now climbing down the wall, we never got to see her climb up, and we only get to see the last couple of seconds of her climbing down, and I'm starting to think this wall is not climb up a bull or climb down a bull.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are four men at the bottom, who recognize that she's into stress and injured, and they refuse to let her leave, because four men will always think they know better than a single woman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, this gives Cliff Rocky time to climb down the wall,
[SPEAKER_03]: super fast like Spider-Man, and he starts spinning a story about Crystal Matthews, Gina responds by yelling, he wants to be us.
[SPEAKER_03]: He and his girlfriend want to be us, which is super true, but also gives Cliff Rocky the benefit of her sounding like an insane Crystal Matthews.
[SPEAKER_03]: The dude's end up not trusting Cliff Rocky because his pupils are a huge, which is wild, but he just pulls out his gun and shoots them, and as Gina gets away, he reloads only for Nick to land on top of them and stab his hand, having jump from above.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff Rocky picks up the gun with his split open hand and fires wildly, while Nick calmly approaches, disarms him, and then puts the gun at his knack and asks, how many people?
[SPEAKER_03]: The cops show up in a chopper and think Nick is the bad guy because stunt, stunt, don's, Sidney's in the chopper, and the sniper actually says to her, I have to know I'm about to kill the right man.
[SPEAKER_03]: As those snipers just take eyewitnesses, word, word, word, word.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the last minute, Gina rushes in and pulls Nick off of Cliff Rocky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cliff mounts off to Nick and Gina kicks him in the face.
[SPEAKER_03]: Back in the helicopter, Sydney decides to betray her Cliff, Rocky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Saying he was the one who was guilty.
[SPEAKER_03]: After having just fingered the other guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the cops will merely shoot Cliff Rocky and Holy Shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like this movie, but it's insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, in the Jurassic Park helicopter after Nick shows Gene of the ring and proposes, but as cheesy as this ending is, I still love this movie, and that is a perfect getaway gentlemen.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I never thought that when we started this podcast, that we would have two David two e-movie's featured in the long list of movies we've done.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did pitch black earlier, so it was fun to see his name pop up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, friend of the show now, David two e-movie's featured in the long list of movies we've done.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did pitch black earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, this was a pleasant surprise back in 2009 when I, I watched this at Hollywood 27, still being a projectionist and everything, I didn't know much about this movie and, you know, I watched it with late one night and I was like, okay, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like what this movie does is it just kind of lets you bath in the the Hawaii of it all though I saw in the chat this movie I guess was shot mostly in Puerto Rico I guess but um but it lets you bath in the Hawaii that it's presenting or whatever and so
[SPEAKER_01]: It does feel like just, okay, this must be some regular ass thriller, right, where it's like, you know, innocent couple goes to Hawaii and which, which couple could be the murdery couple that we've been hearing about.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very hard,
[SPEAKER_01]: thing this movie has to do because it's obvious that there was a big surprise that they wanted to do how do you make the movie interesting enough that you'll want to get to the surprise because this is just kind of pretty just a regular movie for a while, a regular thriller.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like what keeps you there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think casting certainly helps when you have somebody like Steve's on and Mielejo
[SPEAKER_01]: too because she at this point in time I think she's best known as one of the twins that everybody hated and lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when they had the twins on lost she was one of those twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what she's best known as Chris Hemsworth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd forgotten was in this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody knew who Chris Hemsworth was, really, when this movie came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Marley Shelton, who I think deserves more work and has never seemed to ever, you know, she's like almost like a Judy Greer to me, like just doesn't get enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: But casting these people and is a big step to trying to make people interested in something where you don't know that there's a surprise on the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they hint at it, they tend to the old thoughts, you know, talking about the surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that'd be a big surprise about the, you know, about the killers with this or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: they even if you're really paying attention to that beginning wedding thing you realize that that Steve's on who has said he's a screenwriter they're sitting there talking about banking and crap in that wedding thing so like if you're really really paying attention you're going to be like
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is Cliff talking about screenwriting?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was a banker or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will kind of know that he's lying about this, or at least the footage at the beginning is not talking about Steve's on a meal of joe ofage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right about that fine line that they have to navigate when they're sitting there talking about, they see the picture, they're lying there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that look something like somebody familiar to you and all that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they start, what do we know about these people?
[SPEAKER_01]: What did do you even care what the I mean if you're a killer Steve even care about what these other two people are up to you're the ones who are you know, you're the ones that had the advantage here of like you know So it is kind of a weird thing also Could they see her peeing up there because like that seems to have a pretty good view of where they were I think it's supposed to be clear that they know she's not actually peeing Yeah, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I don't want to interrupt your thing, but again, the movie plays off that casting.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have Timothy Alphant, who's good at playing an edgy, scary person, and you have Steve Zahn, who's almost never played that kind of person.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's always the guy you root for, and that's what makes the movie work for the people it works for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks, Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to get to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: was going to mention for the fact that Timothy Olphont was known as a bad guy and it was very, very clear like they were going on your audience expectation there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve's on never a bad guy in these movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always the goofball in everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that thing you do is what's going to work through your head a lot of times when you're watching this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like it definitely has the good play on on your expectations for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I've always enjoyed this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It becomes like a little bit harder to watch on the second viewing because at this point, you're kind of like, okay, why are you acting this particular way?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: During all of this, you know, and you guys are doing a really good job of like not talking about your crimes, all, you know, even though we're spending all of our time with you, the entire, you know, so they really got into character, they're really like making that a whole thing, right, like they,
[SPEAKER_01]: They studied these people on the video tape so long that they've become like Daniel Day Lewis or something and they don't even talk about the crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even know they committed a crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, that's how method they've become.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the things I think the movie does that's interesting and
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the way I've always interpreted the movie and I could be wrong is that he's done he's new to screenwriting.
[SPEAKER_03]: He even says like got my first feature in pre-production right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think what they do is they kill people and then they take over their lives.
[SPEAKER_03]: become them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, and even the girl at the end says he wants to be us.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the movie is trying to cover up all of the... How much do we really know about these people by saying they're sizing them up as do we want to be them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we want to do them and take over their personalities?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a very fine line.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's what the movie is trying to say is the reason for those interactions.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you guys made my job really easy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jeremy, you are a man in full, but I do not like this movie as much as you did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chris, you just keep shaking that bush, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just keep shaking that bush.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, for me, keep fucking that chicken.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this, this, this, this movie didn't capture me except for what you mentioned about Zahn and Aliphon.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll just start there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I think, especially Timothy Aliphon has this charisma that I will just watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he can be in in alien earth playing a completely emotional, less, you know, android.
[SPEAKER_04]: And somehow I'm still drawn to his charisma.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's just that good.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I, I really do like him here and Steve Zahn's always fun to watch as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, you guys mentioned all the things that just took me out of this mood like I just could not find my way into this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I will restate them kind of through my own, through my own lenses as I saw them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so much of the foreshadowing in this movie to me was so heavy that it was just like,
[SPEAKER_04]: complete shadowing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That story about the hanging of the Sidney Tels or whatever, was like, if you don't know there, the bad guys at that point, like, what else is that story supposed to tell us?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's a really weird moment in the movie that I just kind of lays all its cards out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, this is the first time I've seen this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even know this movie existed until you recommended it.
[SPEAKER_04]: this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's so, this movie is so messy with its plot threads and everything that it lays out.
[SPEAKER_04]: The movie almost wants you to think like the store owners they come into contact are a little bit creepy and weird and that guy comes in and who are these people and that just never goes anywhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't like, I guess when he comes to see them in the woods, that's supposed to be something but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: like what that was supposed to make us feel or you know make us think or make us do or why we needed to spend the time on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand the decision not to show Chris, Chris Hemsworth's face when they meet like what is the storytelling or you know the I'm sure the director had a reason you know I'm sure there was there was something he was thinking but it just doesn't really ever pay off in a really interesting way like
[SPEAKER_04]: with with Chris Hemsworth known enough at that point to be like Oh, it's a Chris Hemsworth, can you tell me I was not Cabin in the woods, maybe?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think he's even done Cabin in the woods at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Cabin woods came out in 2012.
[SPEAKER_01]: The the I I really think that
[SPEAKER_01]: they're setting up of course they don't need he doesn't need to set all these uh these things up where the couples the red herring couples he's trying to get you to think okay Chris Hemsworth and Marley Shelton are the bad couple or whatever but then
[SPEAKER_01]: not too long after that, we're running into Timothy Olifant and Kiely Sanchez, and Timothy Olifant has a certain way about him that's like, and they don't cut off his face when they show him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was wondering that too myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so I didn't understand that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when the twist finally is revealed, in Jeremy, you mentioned it in your your
[SPEAKER_04]: It goes on for all of the blue-shaded sometimes, like it is one of the longest, uh, here's what really happens, segments I've ever seen in a movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's going over all these details that just don't, like matter, like they show him practicing the screenwriter line.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's like, oh, I got to get, I'm a screenwriter.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a screenwriter.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what?
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I, it really, at that point, I was out out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, okay, there, there may be some fun actors in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: There, there may be some fun moments in this, but this is just a messy movie that I'm just having a hard time getting into.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two-thirds of the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm seeing in the chat that the whole cut-and-off his face was to make him menacing and scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think saying get the fuck out of the car is enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't really have to hide his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually when you hide someone's face, there's a reason behind it, like, for the audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[SPEAKER_01]: There, there's usually like, oh, who could be playing this person or whatever and like it's always weird when they do that with somebody who at that time wasn't even all that well known.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, oh, the last thing I want to do is like trying to defend this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, it's, I agree with you that that camera work is intentional.
[SPEAKER_03]: I assumed it was because the intent was to give us the perspective of Cliff and Sidney who currently can't see his face to help us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, think they're another layer of subconscious that they're good guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're the good guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're seeing this from their perspective.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're your protagonist.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that it works, but that would be my reason for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hey, man, they had a great shot of Chris Hemsworth undressing in the sideview mirror.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have seen his face in that too, but you know, they didn't show that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you can remind me, I don't remember completely, and it doesn't matter too much to the point.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what is the order of when the twist is revealed as it relates to the engagement ring conversation?
[SPEAKER_04]: In my mind, the engagement ring conversation comes before the twist is officially revealed, but I'm not sure of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just remember thinking,
[SPEAKER_04]: and to be you know foreshadowed about this couple so much that I just think it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But for as hard as it hits that twist, it shows it's hand a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it makes it seem even longer than it needs to be based on what we've seen before.
[SPEAKER_04]: In the primary thing I'll come back to is the line that you guys say the movie has to walk.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it walks that line very well at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I think you think back now, I've only seen it once and you guys have seen it twice.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you guys actually have the better perspective on this.
[SPEAKER_04]: the the best thing you can say about a movie that has a big twist is that it's better watching at the second time because you can see how that you know twist impacts and in this movie I think it's almost worse.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would imagine watching at the second time because of how they're having to walk that line and it feels unnatural.
[SPEAKER_01]: When did you saw that Aaron?
[SPEAKER_01]: When did you saw that?
[SPEAKER_04]: I sold it to the hanging store.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was it a, I forget what animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really the hanging story told you that was, that was the, that was the question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a twist coming.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this kind of movie, especially with, like you said, with Timothy saying, oh, there's always a second act, you know, the thing that happens in, in, I'm just saying the movie wants to do a lot of foreshadowing and just ends up showing a tanned.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's absolutely fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to read one IMDB trivia entry.
[SPEAKER_03]: You find it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Timothy Oliphon and Steve Zahn went to Jamaica to film the cove sequence in the kayaks.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of it said the rest of this is all quote, you can get weed from anyone in Jamaica.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't buy it because everyone has it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no weed for sale.
[SPEAKER_03]: One time I walked by the gardener of the hotel and he reaped of weed.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you go to the lobby, they're also high.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can get room service to bring you weed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not making it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll leave it on your bedside table.
[SPEAKER_03]: Part of the turn-down service.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a little joint on the bedside table.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know somebody who's going to Jamaica after this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now that describes half the cities in the United States of America, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome, boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So anyways, I certainly have my own messy movies that I really, really like or love.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we've talked about some of them on this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like I am in no, no place to judge, but yeah, I didn't enjoy this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is absolutely fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we should all like the movies that we introduce.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we can all be in harmony.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how it should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, uh, I'm curious to see what you guys got for this next segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go on to our Super Seeker Double Feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be very, very quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Aaron, you definitely cannot take away mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So go, go for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't think that I, I wouldn't think that I am.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm going with Dave Franco's first directed movie and written movie, The Rental.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if either of you have actually seen this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have and we actually interviewed one of the actresses from this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I kind of enjoyed this movie, it has a lot of the same couple who's, you know, who's the bad person, who's the good person, what's going on here and involves remote vacationing as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it felt like a good, a good possible double feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this is a pretty good movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually pretty much enjoyed, pretty much enjoyed this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, I don't think it's got a high rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, you know, something that everybody got to rush out and see, but I thought it was a good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine has a slightly different kind of, like, it's a slightly different kind of,
[SPEAKER_01]: feel to it and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was thinking about, you know, serial killers taking, taking people's identities and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I settled on T2 judgment day.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is where you have the T1,000 is going around and imitating people as they kill.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything, obviously, they're not trying to become those people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was trying to
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of others out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen taking lives and forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that was a movie that popped, you know, because it's, that's about a serial killer who takes the identities of their victims and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then even thought of talent and Mr Ripley, but we have used that.
[SPEAKER_01]: twice in the show so there's no way I was going to use that one for a third time for sure but yeah T2 was one I was like there's one like try to watch perfect get away and T2 back to back and see if you can come up with the the the shared themes or shared good connections between those two movies so yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: The other ones I thought of were gone girl has a lot of the same link, you know, flip it on a tad kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then as far as like environmental thriller adventure, the edge always comes up in my brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, but uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, this is some in the chat saying we should have stuck with Mr. Brooks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, where were we going to find watching Mr. Brooks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are we all going to like order the blue ray?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reason why we changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so there, so there chat, you know, stick it to you today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stick it to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, thank you for being here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please be here all the time, but I'm going to stick it to you today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, alright, what is next week's homework?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Aaron's turn, and I hear that you have a movie that just goes right along with all these violent pictures that we have been doing so far.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but it does have somebody who worked in the sound department that worked in the sound department of the last two movies as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there is a good action.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: I
[SPEAKER_04]: This might be another example of a movie that I just have a lot of grace for and might not be that great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's, uh, if I'm looking, yeah, right about that 60% on Rotten Tomatoes, you know, so it's very similar kind of idea, but I want to
[SPEAKER_04]: Michael Kane in Robert DuVall, and they are kind of in charge of Haley Joel Osmitt as a child.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because he's doing some adult acting now, some really fun parts Haley Joel has been doing lately and some different places.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so I remember this being heartwarming and wonderful and really funny, and so I'm I'm interested in going back and checking it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have not seen it in probably 20 years, so it'll be interesting to tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have never seen it, it did come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it did come out during the time I was working at Hollywood 27.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember it coming out and I was like, second hand lions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tuck that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not watching that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was also during the years where Haley Joel Osmond was going from like, you know, child actor to the awkward teen years and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, Haley Joel Osmond, why can't you be in more forest gumps and six senses?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's something that you should be able to do in your sleep now, and he's in this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, my forwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I pay it forwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, I do want to see this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of, I mean, I am DB.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's got it at a seven, which is I think higher than it was when it first came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like it's maybe possibly gotten some sort of following since it came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, love says he saw the prequel minute-hand loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a sequel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, looks like we have time for a question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at what we got here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what's your favorite throwaway line?
[SPEAKER_01]: Meaning a line that is not the main line of the scene or moment, but something someone in the background says or that side character utteres after the main character's line that is still audible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is a little bit too much definition of a throwaway line because a lot of times throwaway lines are just the
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly that they're just they just threw it out there and then they go on they move the through the scene It doesn't do anything after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you guys got I'll go I'll kick us off I think a lot of times these are the lines when I was growing up that my friends and I would Glamon to his quotable lines and they're just they just hang out in the background But the one we used to say all the time in completely non-sequitable related situations was from karate kid when he goes
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm in a party bag, just the way he says that.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so good, it's just, oh, anyways.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that best went for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I better, if I, if I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could come up with dozens of these because Throwaway lines are one of my favorite aspects of television and film.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, to settle on, I think it's Brad Garrett in finding Nemo when they're being told about Nemo and the sharks or Marlin and the sharks, I'm just like, three sharks.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's got to be 4800 teeth and we just move on right off of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a fish.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just learned who knows exactly how many teeth sharks have because he thinks he's going
[SPEAKER_04]: Man can multiply by three very quickly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he does manage.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good at math.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another one we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a movie we did an interview for a few years ago, The Werewolves Within.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who did that did something recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was that Valentine movie that came out around Valentine's.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Ruben did where he was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also did this movie called Weirworld with N which we interviewed him for and there's a there's a scene in there where like all the characters
[SPEAKER_01]: are in this house or hotel or something like that and there's this door that's closed and inside the keyhole there's like an eyeball that's there and the people are talking to the eyeball and there's a point where just um you know there's the characters behind the door we only see their eyeball and when they ask this person behind the door what's going on and they answer there's all this commotion and you hear someone in the background go what did the eyeball say
[SPEAKER_01]: enjoyed that that it's this it's 80 r2 i asked him about that line and they said yeah we we just threw in a whole bunch of jokes and then like paired it down to get to this to the the ones that we really liked and uh it's really enjoy moments like that where they just kind of like just let it let it go loose and everything so
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, over in the chat, uh, Castro says that scene and the dart and I love this one that scene and the dart night where the mob guys like you think you can just steal from us and joker just this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No more further argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shaggy says, I am the walrus.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, tattoo says, one of the Halloween movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dad says, I got peanut butter on my penis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that as well, Logan Lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you just say cauliflower to me?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, those are all good ones for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, guys, for that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's going to do it for this week next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second hand lions looking forward to seeing that for the very first time chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much for coming out today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you so yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's
[SPEAKER_04]: hair, long greasy hair.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I also may be touching it too much.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I probably just need to leave it alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I probably touch it too much.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is probably the truth about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm talking about, you know, that little place in your mouth where, you know, don't touch it with your tongue, just make the worst.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The UVA, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: This won't count.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't touch your UVA, Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_03]: That word always, I mean, that word's always going to sound naughty to me, even though I know it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's a V in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I'll have the words with V's in them are naughty work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an episode of friends where Pendulet comes by and sells the V of an encyclopedia, the V volume to Joe A because he only has enough money for one of the volumes and he chooses V. And then later in the coffee house, he keeps trying to bring up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Conversations played about that the souvius.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was submitting his rock formation wasn't it and they go oh Speaking about uh volcanoes and they change the subject and he's like, oh, he gets frustrated You talk about falling out and you just mentioned pendulum that and it's interesting because pin and teller like they aren't friends at all like offstage like they are you know not like
[SPEAKER_04]: But they say the reason they haven't become like mortal enemies like falling out and that kind of stuff is because they just don't interact offstage Like they just go there separate ways and have no contact with each other very interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so that's he they they I actually saw recently saw an interview with both of them where Teller was doing most of the talking ironically enough and it was it was interesting to hear them them talk about that and
[SPEAKER_04]: even to watch them together in that interview.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you just, you sense that they just, they don't really like each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: But they just wouldn't hang out in real life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, how many famous bands do we know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have volatile relationships, like the police.
[SPEAKER_03]: The police got together again to play it.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of their guys is weddings, and they had a fight on stage at the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Simon and Garfunkel, you know, everybody just like, yeah, I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oasis took 25 years for Oasis to get over there, crap and start touring again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody asked me like, what, what, what, um, something related to a political thing like this person is, is coming back and then so therefore this band has decided to reunite or whatever and I was like, what's the most likely band to do for that to happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: That throughout REM.
[SPEAKER_01]: as a possible ban that could do that or whatever, but then he's like, what do you think about the police?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, the original Leonard Skinner would have a better chance of getting back together.
[SPEAKER_03]: So are we looking at an all West Coast World Series here?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I thought it's all over isn't baseball over.
[SPEAKER_04]: I must have gotten confused.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if that's the case, they'll start some of the games early, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll all be at the normal time that they're always up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll still start at 7 o'clock, which means even on the yes our time which means on the west coast the people getting to those games are the ones in convenience because they've got to go during rush hour traffic to get to a game nice and it's already a pain in the ass to get into doctor stadium as it is the worst
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fucking worst so yeah, but yeah, they'll still start those.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they've already got the time set for those So like it's not it won't change just because it's Dodgers Mariners good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was worried I was gonna have to like stay up till one in the morning every single I mean I do anyway, but like not for baseball
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep in mind that by the time this particular episode airs, it could have completely changed and it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's Brewer's Blue Jays or some other iteration that we were not discussing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: At this point, I'm rooting for anybody, but LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just rooting for the occasional amazingness that was that double play and the The Doddows thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you guys see in the, you probably did You know in the Tiger series the guy who had the shirt that said don't number 61 here Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Carolina is 61st homerun and that guy freaking caught the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow and then he took a shirt off and he had another one that said dump number 62 here like It was that is fuel for my simulation theory right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's absurd that the ball went to that guy
[SPEAKER_01]: the question then becomes though how many other people may have had signs that said hit 61 here and it just happened to go to that particular one.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Crush my magic with you all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to think that's one of the dumbest things I could think to do but there are people who
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the things, the thing that's still hard for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we watch a movie like Free Solo and we're like, man, that Alex handled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he ever like just the most fearless person ever?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just, he's just, he's just great at what he does and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in that very movie, there are discussions of other greatest all-time climbers who just, who I just like were the best,
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, that shit can get you, you know, it's like we, we, we hold Alex Hamilton High esteem and I don't want anything to happen to him, but my god, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, this was literally a week ago, one of the rising climbers in the world fell off El Capitán and because he didn't tie off the end of his lawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's, there's an interesting discussion about like a society's,
[SPEAKER_04]: responsibility to protect its citizens, you know, and how, how free do you let people be to be dangerous?
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, here people on one side throw around phrases like, man, a state, you know, I got a buckle, my son belt, you know, or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we have these other things where people can just climb sheer rock faces with no, you know, safety harness and that's legal.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's completely legal.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I can't get into my car without buckling up.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's illegal.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's a really interesting dichotomy and hypocrisy that, you know, it's hard for society to grow.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not specific instance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, the seatbelt
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, to protect other drugs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Same with the helmet law, you know, like it's it's you've got a bike got to have a helmet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like yeah, that is weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, the guys that climb buildings, that's not legal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, those, they was even three guys in Nashville earlier this year, climbed up the Batman building and tried to hide in a bathroom, but eventually got caught and arrested.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's what the, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's so amazing about man on wire, like all the dodging they had to do with the security and everything to even make that happen is an amazing story in of it itself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do they think there's a little insanity to people that look like
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I can't look at that guy and see somebody who's, who's completely, I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think exactly what Free Solo had an illusion to in the movie itself was Alexander doesn't have that part of the brain that gets scared of things that all of us normies to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the same thing can apply to people who drive 200 mile an hour, race cars and people who do you know do that high wire act all these type of things they just don't have that thing it's just like
[SPEAKER_01]: There's people out there who don't have a sense of touch, which is okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even imagine what that would be like, but they have to be very careful about what they do because they could be bleeding out and just not know it and burn their hand all in a stove and not know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like that Jack Quaid movie, yes.