WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:10.719 [SPEAKER_00]: This episode of True's Table is brought to you by our NAACP Image Award-nominated book, True's Table, Black Women's Musings on Life, Love, and Liberation. 00:11.140 --> 00:12.701 [SPEAKER_00]: Get it where all books are sold. 00:14.222 --> 00:15.403 [SPEAKER_03]: Sisters, how y'all feel? 00:16.150 --> 00:17.491 [SPEAKER_03]: Brothers, y'all all right? 00:17.871 --> 00:21.113 [SPEAKER_03]: If this is your first time at Truth's Table, welcome to the table. 00:21.313 --> 00:23.835 [SPEAKER_03]: And you've been sitting at the table with us all these years. 00:24.115 --> 00:27.257 [SPEAKER_03]: We are so grateful that you have been listening to us through these years. 00:27.337 --> 00:33.781 [SPEAKER_03]: And we are inviting you to partner with us and support our work at patreon.com slash Truth's Table. 00:34.082 --> 00:37.063 [SPEAKER_03]: Now pull up a chair and have a seat at the table with us. 00:38.244 --> 00:39.645 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey y'all, welcome to Truth's Table. 00:39.905 --> 00:41.466 [SPEAKER_03]: We rise up culture for grace and truth. 00:41.566 --> 00:42.007 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a community. 00:42.727 --> 00:46.570 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Christina this table is built by black woman in four black women. 00:46.610 --> 00:47.611 [SPEAKER_03]: So welcome to the table. 00:47.651 --> 00:54.096 [SPEAKER_00]: See how you doing good You know The leaves are listen that's that's listen that was another sea at the table. 00:54.136 --> 00:55.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear that that? 00:56.057 --> 01:02.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no We are definitely keeping that in What was like she was like a part of my name they called okay? 01:04.863 --> 01:11.626 [SPEAKER_00]: And I am stoked, I am excited about the other sea at the table that it's here today. 01:11.646 --> 01:15.667 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about, I won't completely give it away right now, but we'll talk a bit about her in a moment. 01:15.707 --> 01:16.447 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm doing pretty good. 01:16.467 --> 01:18.328 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you what, the leaves are changing. 01:18.488 --> 01:24.570 [SPEAKER_00]: I am a fall, autumn, girly, I love the color orange and deep greens and all that. 01:24.650 --> 01:30.432 [SPEAKER_00]: So the weather is doing what it needs to do in the midst of these diabolical times that we're in. 01:30.812 --> 01:32.013 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really grateful for that. 01:32.273 --> 01:33.013 [SPEAKER_00]: How's it going for you? 01:33.730 --> 01:38.455 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, as the little meme out there says I'm taking it one ghetto day at a time. 01:39.496 --> 01:40.477 [SPEAKER_00]: It's ever what you're doing. 01:40.557 --> 01:41.378 [SPEAKER_00]: It's how you're taking it. 01:41.398 --> 01:42.599 [SPEAKER_00]: It's taking you. 01:42.799 --> 01:43.360 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lie. 01:43.380 --> 01:43.841 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lie. 01:43.861 --> 01:44.161 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lie. 01:44.201 --> 01:45.522 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the day the Lord has made. 01:45.542 --> 01:46.984 [SPEAKER_03]: We will always be glad in it. 01:47.304 --> 01:50.828 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, there's some things going on in 2025 that I'm like. 01:53.738 --> 02:06.440 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a lot, but grateful to be at this table with you and we've had a very dynamic season and informative season and I am excited. 02:06.460 --> 02:19.163 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saddened by the need to talk about this, but I am excited that we have access to brilliant people and compassionate. 02:19.903 --> 02:37.721 [SPEAKER_03]: leaders who have a heart because we need both really brilliant and compassionate okay they have both you know that they can bring to the table because before we before we go y'all before season nine of Tuesday and he's going in y'all yes it is a little more 02:39.422 --> 02:40.463 [SPEAKER_03]: we need to be reproached. 02:40.523 --> 02:40.883 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 02:41.784 --> 02:51.771 [SPEAKER_03]: And y'all know we have been in our still resisting series and then we've kind of been segueing away from that, but we're like, you know what, let's, let's, let's, let's make sure we do this, this episode. 02:52.411 --> 02:55.974 [SPEAKER_03]: And so to us, it was really important to bring this topic to the table. 02:56.114 --> 03:00.817 [SPEAKER_03]: And the topic is, why should black women care about Palestine? 03:01.278 --> 03:01.438 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 03:02.257 --> 03:04.198 [SPEAKER_03]: That is the topic on a table wide. 03:04.218 --> 03:15.501 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there are so many other atrocities of the genocides, of the things that are happening in the world of a wide Palestine. 03:15.561 --> 03:27.745 [SPEAKER_03]: And so we thought it would be great to bring our friend, my comrade, Reverend CC Jones Davis, to the table, Reverend CC Jones, how you doing, good. 03:28.185 --> 03:29.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it my turn now to do this? 03:30.326 --> 03:31.327 [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, you stay ready. 03:31.347 --> 03:31.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Stay ready. 03:32.148 --> 03:33.750 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to read a little bit of your bio. 03:33.770 --> 03:34.991 [SPEAKER_03]: So they really need you. 03:35.011 --> 03:36.152 [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, say something. 03:36.192 --> 03:37.073 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you want to know. 03:37.233 --> 03:40.997 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just sorry that I thought you were talking about me when you stay. 03:41.618 --> 03:45.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Does everybody in my house cause me see, but I'm going to break with a B with talk. 03:46.423 --> 03:48.886 [SPEAKER_01]: That I'm going to shut my mouth and let you read the bio. 03:51.458 --> 03:52.599 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, don't shout it too low now. 03:52.859 --> 04:07.491 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 04:16.178 --> 04:17.339 [SPEAKER_03]: art and social justice. 04:17.679 --> 04:29.364 [SPEAKER_03]: With the heart rooted in ministry and a voice that echoes across grassroots movements and national stages, she devotes her life to pointing people towards the all-powerful and the least powerful. 04:29.744 --> 04:38.788 [SPEAKER_03]: For more than two decades, CCF mobilized communities, advice campaigns, and partner with cultural institutions and global brands to advance equity, compassion and systemic change. 04:39.108 --> 04:46.417 [SPEAKER_03]: from fighting for HIV-AIDS interventions and mental justice to leading national movements against the death penalty. 04:46.818 --> 04:51.463 [SPEAKER_03]: Her work spans both street-level action and high-level advocacy and policy. 04:51.864 --> 04:54.567 [SPEAKER_03]: She served in the Obama administration under the U.S. 04:54.627 --> 04:56.570 [SPEAKER_03]: Trade Representative Ambassador Ron Kirk. 04:57.030 --> 05:12.319 [SPEAKER_03]: and played a pivotal role as a founder of Hashtag Justice for Julia's campaign, which successfully halted the execution of Julia's Jones in Oklahoma just hours before he was scheduled before his scheduled death in 2021. 05:15.220 --> 05:17.081 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, CC for your work. 05:17.422 --> 05:20.904 [SPEAKER_03]: CC is an ordained minister in the Christian Church, disciples of Christ. 05:21.164 --> 05:24.066 [SPEAKER_03]: CC is also a proud member of Alpha Kappa Office already incorporated. 05:24.086 --> 05:35.253 [SPEAKER_03]: She holds degrees from Howard University to get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it 05:35.894 --> 05:41.278 [SPEAKER_03]: Yale Divinity School that Yale Institute of Sacred Music and Georgetown University. 05:41.318 --> 05:46.482 [SPEAKER_03]: It was named an inaugural member of the Obama Foundation's Leaders USA Program. 05:46.542 --> 05:48.304 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the table, CC. 05:48.324 --> 05:49.225 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 05:49.325 --> 05:52.988 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to get into the HU, the really HU, the only HU, the only HU. 05:53.148 --> 05:55.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, Hamptonians, we love our Howard cousins. 05:55.810 --> 05:56.491 [SPEAKER_00]: We really do. 05:57.431 --> 05:58.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll be well-being today. 05:58.813 --> 05:59.573 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be well-being. 05:59.613 --> 06:00.714 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be well-being. 06:00.774 --> 06:02.496 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, now, we're all about peace. 06:02.616 --> 06:03.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Peace all around this world. 06:07.300 --> 06:08.721 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, come see you, well done. 06:09.101 --> 06:10.002 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, my goodness. 06:10.022 --> 06:11.703 [SPEAKER_02]: Christian, why don't you kick it off, just like that? 06:11.723 --> 06:19.550 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, again, we are just so grateful for your time and your wisdom and your kindness and coming to join us today. 06:19.650 --> 06:27.676 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just excited for our listeners to get to know you, those who don't, a little bit more, but we kind of looked at your bio and clearly we know you got it together. 06:28.116 --> 06:34.061 [SPEAKER_00]: But introduce yourself to our audience in your own words who really is CC. 06:35.152 --> 06:46.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, every thing that you talked about, everything that you name the community in my bio, is really by God's grace. 06:46.776 --> 06:47.676 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me say that. 06:48.257 --> 06:57.280 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I think that God has to give you particular opportunities or platforms or educations 06:57.800 --> 06:59.961 [SPEAKER_01]: and order for your voice to make a difference. 07:00.021 --> 07:07.945 [SPEAKER_01]: And so those things really have been tools because all that I am is a servant of God. 07:08.406 --> 07:10.887 [SPEAKER_01]: All that I am is a child of God. 07:11.487 --> 07:17.210 [SPEAKER_01]: All that I'm trying to be is a more faithful person in the world. 07:17.650 --> 07:23.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm really grateful for every opportunity that I've had that has taught me and grown me 07:27.092 --> 07:46.604 [SPEAKER_01]: But all of that rats me up in the person that I actually am is just a servant, but unfortunately we live in a world where you can't really present yourself that way because if you present yourself as just this or just that, people don't honor the gifting in you or your voice. 07:46.624 --> 07:51.427 [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to have all this extra stuff and the extra stuff God gave me because he thought 07:56.451 --> 07:57.811 [SPEAKER_01]: God decides to use it. 07:57.871 --> 08:00.752 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy about that, but I'm just a servant of the most high. 08:01.072 --> 08:01.512 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 08:01.612 --> 08:01.992 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 08:02.032 --> 08:06.174 [SPEAKER_03]: We hear you on that because that was a word in another self. 08:06.214 --> 08:06.654 [SPEAKER_03]: How about that? 08:08.354 --> 08:09.834 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a word in another self. 08:09.874 --> 08:17.696 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, CC as I mentioned earlier, you know, to our audience, that you and I, I'm are truthfully, literally, our comrades. 08:17.736 --> 08:20.437 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we were, we had been on the 08:24.138 --> 08:33.841 [SPEAKER_03]: uh for Palestine, a free Palestine uh since this latest, you know, iteration, you know, of the genocide started in October of 2023. 08:34.161 --> 08:38.362 [SPEAKER_03]: You me, I think Lisa, shout out to Lisa, Sharon Hoppa. 08:39.323 --> 08:43.704 [SPEAKER_03]: She was there with us as well as as as as as as as many other um of our uh uh 08:48.065 --> 08:56.468 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've been passionately advocating, you know, but I would love for you to talk to our sisters at the table about your own connection to Palestine. 08:56.528 --> 09:12.353 [SPEAKER_03]: Why out of all of all the other atrocities that are happening in the world and there aren't many, what is it about Palestine that really deeply, that you're so connected, you know, to why should other sisters be connected to it? 09:13.042 --> 09:34.272 [SPEAKER_01]: That's good, you know, I have to be honest and tell you that before October 2023, when, you know, all of this conflict came to light because of the embassies invasion of Israel and murder of over 1,000 people, I had very. 09:35.380 --> 09:47.512 [SPEAKER_01]: A very small understanding of Palestine and the issues and the historical context and all that I have very little context, right. 09:48.753 --> 09:49.314 [SPEAKER_01]: And so. 09:50.115 --> 09:56.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to just, you know, I'm embarrassed that I didn't know more before then, but I didn't. 09:56.857 --> 10:01.518 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, but I did find myself at my first protest. 10:02.098 --> 10:07.419 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was around October 16th of 2023. 10:08.419 --> 10:12.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a week or so after, there is really a tag, right? 10:13.060 --> 10:15.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the response from Israel, 10:16.482 --> 10:23.611 [SPEAKER_01]: was with clearly so disproportionate to what had unfortunately happened in Israel that 10:27.156 --> 10:32.418 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was terribly alarmed by what I was seeing. 10:32.438 --> 10:44.101 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think all of us, right, were so tapped into social media, social media gave us a hard core crash course lesson, right, and all of this. 10:44.201 --> 10:46.842 [SPEAKER_01]: And not just in this conflict, but in brutality. 10:47.262 --> 10:50.943 [SPEAKER_01]: And how cruel we human beings can be to one another. 10:51.263 --> 11:07.583 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I first start seeing all of these images of people under the rubble and you know, baby's lifeless and women in all folks, you know, dead on the street, I. 11:09.825 --> 11:12.347 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I couldn't turn it off. 11:12.707 --> 11:14.268 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I couldn't turn it off. 11:14.888 --> 11:15.629 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're right. 11:16.169 --> 11:20.792 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many of these catastrophes all over the world, right? 11:21.272 --> 11:23.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Congo, Sudan, all of these different places. 11:25.003 --> 11:34.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, we don't see those things elevated in a way that we have just experienced Palestine, right? 11:34.506 --> 11:39.428 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a whole other podcast that, you know, I think deserves a conversation. 11:39.968 --> 11:44.570 [SPEAKER_01]: But Palestine, and what was happening to the people of Gaza, was so in our faces, 11:45.632 --> 11:48.195 [SPEAKER_01]: that you could not avoid it. 11:49.336 --> 12:00.329 [SPEAKER_01]: And I grew up with a very God-fearing Southern grandmother who taught me that when you know, when you know something, 12:00.943 --> 12:03.786 [SPEAKER_01]: then is your responsibility to do something about it. 12:04.967 --> 12:11.133 [SPEAKER_01]: And she always say, you never sponsor for what you don't know, but you always sponsor for what you know. 12:11.733 --> 12:15.477 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that's always been with me and my life. 12:15.517 --> 12:23.465 [SPEAKER_01]: And so as I'm seeing all of this, began to really unfold this massacre. 12:24.012 --> 12:24.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 12:24.352 --> 12:34.720 [SPEAKER_01]: And beginning in October of 2023, I felt very, very compelled to say, hey, everybody, are y'all saying what I'm saying over here? 12:35.240 --> 12:37.342 [SPEAKER_01]: This is horrible. 12:37.802 --> 12:39.804 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what even, um, 12:41.370 --> 12:47.276 [SPEAKER_01]: like impacted me even further was the Christian, the early Christian response, right? 12:47.697 --> 12:55.865 [SPEAKER_01]: And that very, very early on, we were seeing, you know, Christians coming out saying, I support Israel at all cost. 12:56.526 --> 12:58.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Nail, I grew up, 12:59.196 --> 13:02.057 [SPEAKER_01]: in a context like many, many questions, right? 13:02.358 --> 13:07.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Great amount of Zion this, you know, baptizing, temple this and that. 13:08.160 --> 13:16.965 [SPEAKER_01]: We have, I think within our foundational theology Zionism, right? 13:18.125 --> 13:20.606 [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea that I was a Zionist. 13:20.966 --> 13:22.547 [SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't even know what that was. 13:22.647 --> 13:23.548 [SPEAKER_01]: It tells you the truth. 13:24.628 --> 13:26.730 [SPEAKER_01]: until that conversation started happening. 13:26.770 --> 13:27.891 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, we're doing a hand. 13:27.951 --> 13:29.413 [SPEAKER_01]: When what is this? 13:29.913 --> 13:32.195 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, can you explain what Zionism is? 13:32.235 --> 13:35.318 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just briefly so that people, so that the audience can track too. 13:35.478 --> 13:50.512 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Zionism is basically the theology, the idea that the land and Israel, that the land belongs to Israel, and at whatever point Jewish people are to return to that land, 13:50.972 --> 13:54.101 [SPEAKER_01]: because they rightly own it by God's providence. 13:54.965 --> 14:20.675 [SPEAKER_01]: right and ordinance and I you know I have read Bible verses like everybody else over the years I've read Old Testament too and so I think in theory I would have said if I was asked 10 years ago yeah I guess the Bible says that you know the lamb belongs to but I had no real understanding of what that would look like in what it would mean in real life. 14:21.577 --> 14:33.625 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and people's real lives and what it would require that it would require the death and the slaughter of thousands of people who've been there for millennia. 14:34.566 --> 14:34.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 14:35.727 --> 14:39.749 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had to do a some fast work. 14:39.849 --> 14:43.632 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to do some fast deconstruction faith deconstruction. 14:44.327 --> 14:48.230 [SPEAKER_01]: because ultimately my faith, and I'm a real simple girl. 14:48.290 --> 14:49.951 [SPEAKER_01]: My faith is like real simple. 14:50.331 --> 14:54.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Love God and love people, that's it, right? 14:55.194 --> 15:05.200 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had to do some real quick deconstruction of what did I really believe about Israel? 15:05.260 --> 15:06.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Who are these people now? 15:06.441 --> 15:07.342 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the history man? 15:07.382 --> 15:08.983 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had to get caught up. 15:09.683 --> 15:11.905 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I had to check in with myself, 15:14.033 --> 15:15.294 [SPEAKER_01]: Now what do you believe? 15:15.835 --> 15:19.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Based upon what you are seeing, what do you believe? 15:19.559 --> 15:26.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I created a social media post that got lots of Christians upset very early on. 15:28.528 --> 15:36.297 [SPEAKER_01]: And basically, I said, if as Christians, we cannot, we are holding on to Bible verses, 15:37.542 --> 15:49.653 [SPEAKER_01]: we are holding onto the Old Testament so strongly, so firmly that we cannot put our Bible down for a second to go help somebody. 15:50.533 --> 15:53.596 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a problem to me as a Christian. 15:53.816 --> 16:03.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Now folks came up and said, what you mean, put your Bible down, you know what you mean, put the verses down, all of the Bible is, you know, the Word of God, 16:04.534 --> 16:07.495 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, you know, I'm not getting, I'm not trying to fight folk, right? 16:07.535 --> 16:20.019 [SPEAKER_01]: About about the Bible, but what I am saying that as Christians, we should see every scripture do the lands of the grace, the love, and the salvation of Jesus Christ. 16:21.039 --> 16:22.740 [SPEAKER_01]: And if we cannot, if our 16:23.333 --> 16:44.187 [SPEAKER_01]: If our lives, our beings, and our work, our thought processes cannot be filtered through the life and the death, the resurrection, the grace and the mercy that has been extended toward us as Jews and Gentiles, then God help us, right? 16:44.688 --> 16:50.692 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't follow nobody in the Bible, but Jesus, I learn from everybody else. 16:53.074 --> 16:55.155 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so, and so that was the beginning. 16:57.796 --> 17:00.737 [SPEAKER_00]: That is, that is so helpful. 17:00.777 --> 17:12.601 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just really value you sharing that your process and your humility in saying, this is what I thought initially, this is how I was shaped and socialized along the way. 17:12.721 --> 17:18.383 [SPEAKER_00]: And then what you saw compelled you to say, let me look again, let me look again. 17:20.993 --> 17:43.202 [SPEAKER_00]: See, could you take us into that process of when you decided to look again and to look deeper and through your eyes, could you introduce us to the people of Gaza, the people who you came from afar to love and to advocate for as these long-distance neighbors? 17:43.522 --> 17:43.922 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:44.022 --> 17:48.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you introduce them to us as you have gotten to know this people? 17:49.325 --> 17:53.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I think, I think it's quite simple. 17:53.528 --> 17:56.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the people of Gaza are you and me. 17:56.670 --> 18:08.199 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they are mothers and fathers and people who want better for their lives and the lives of their children. 18:08.219 --> 18:16.685 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they are people with custom and history and heritage and culture that is rich, 18:17.483 --> 18:17.944 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 18:18.084 --> 18:24.131 [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that they are people who are made in the image of God. 18:24.151 --> 18:24.952 [UNKNOWN]: Amen. 18:25.292 --> 18:36.766 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that a lot of times people dismiss other folk, let they other other folk. 18:37.968 --> 18:44.411 [SPEAKER_01]: um, diminish other folk because they might have a different belief system. 18:44.551 --> 18:49.133 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that that region is largely Islamic, right? 18:50.973 --> 18:58.576 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that most folk don't realize that there are many, many Christians in Gaza and Palestine. 18:59.017 --> 19:01.678 [SPEAKER_01]: I think people forget that Bethlehem, the birth 19:05.898 --> 19:09.261 [SPEAKER_01]: is in Gaza, isn't Palestine, right? 19:10.362 --> 19:15.626 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I present these people to you as you and me. 19:16.727 --> 19:27.736 [SPEAKER_01]: That any terrible thing could happen to any of us if some crazy, another part of the world decided that we were the scum of the earth. 19:28.696 --> 19:30.678 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm, it happened. 19:31.587 --> 19:36.668 [SPEAKER_01]: It could, because we think we are, you know, cremdally cremdally came nothing touches. 19:37.288 --> 19:39.709 [SPEAKER_01]: Mama, the nuts want to touch us. 19:39.829 --> 19:41.710 [SPEAKER_01]: They could if they really wanted to. 19:42.470 --> 19:43.530 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, oh, yes. 19:43.650 --> 19:55.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm concerned, it's only by the grace of God that we have not experienced retaliation, more retaliation than we have. 19:56.113 --> 19:58.454 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, go and match your question. 19:58.754 --> 19:59.794 [SPEAKER_01]: The people of Gaza. 20:00.574 --> 20:02.315 [SPEAKER_01]: are made in the image of God. 20:02.695 --> 20:06.516 [SPEAKER_01]: God loves them, no less than God loves the people of Israel. 20:06.916 --> 20:09.417 [SPEAKER_01]: God loves them, no less than He loves. 20:09.797 --> 20:18.480 [SPEAKER_01]: CC Jones Davis sitting here in this office right outside of Washington, D.C., I believe for God's soul of this entire world. 20:19.020 --> 20:26.402 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I don't see them today any differently than I see anyone else. 20:28.753 --> 20:36.956 [SPEAKER_01]: I urge the whole world to stop this, stop this other rain, stop this while they're muslim, so what? 20:38.616 --> 20:39.276 [SPEAKER_01]: So what? 20:40.557 --> 20:43.558 [SPEAKER_01]: How does that give anybody the right to other people? 20:43.978 --> 20:44.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on. 20:44.978 --> 20:51.700 [SPEAKER_01]: This means the managed to life, the value of the life of another human being. 20:52.501 --> 20:56.162 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they were purple with three eyes, they were made in the image of God. 20:57.700 --> 21:06.745 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like God has required and called us to stand up and speak up for the vulnerable. 21:06.825 --> 21:15.050 [SPEAKER_01]: Whoever the vulnerable is at any particular moment, you will get me mad when folks start picking on the vulnerable people. 21:15.410 --> 21:23.195 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it, I'm a pretty quiet girl until you start messing with people who cannot fight back with the same kind of power. 21:23.881 --> 21:24.801 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 21:26.282 --> 21:36.464 [SPEAKER_00]: Solid, I mean, that is, that is the call of gospel field, neighborliness is this solidarity with times who are made in the image of God. 21:36.584 --> 21:38.505 [SPEAKER_00]: No exceptions. 21:39.785 --> 21:41.885 [SPEAKER_00]: No exceptions on that. 21:42.205 --> 21:48.927 [SPEAKER_00]: And it, it calls us out when we find exceptions to that. 21:49.247 --> 21:49.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 21:50.127 --> 21:52.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we are selective with who has deep dignity. 21:53.466 --> 21:54.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, C.C. 21:54.790 --> 21:56.775 [SPEAKER_00]: for making it plain, making it clear. 21:57.376 --> 21:57.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 21:58.038 --> 21:58.900 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand. 21:59.302 --> 22:01.126 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I take issue. 22:02.312 --> 22:14.181 [SPEAKER_01]: particularly with Christians in this, because if anybody on the earth, as far as I'm concerned, ought to be throwing out bodies in front of these people, it should be the followers of Christ. 22:14.802 --> 22:18.064 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I believe that's what he would do, I really do. 22:18.084 --> 22:22.948 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that Jesus would be like, what on, I just cannot imagine. 22:23.008 --> 22:23.328 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, 22:24.949 --> 22:37.515 [SPEAKER_01]: I just really believe that it's our duty and a lot of folks, you know, talk about eschatology and all of this, you know, and how certain things have to be certain prophecies have to be fulfilled. 22:37.555 --> 22:39.416 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a charismatic Christian, okay? 22:39.757 --> 22:42.018 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe in all all the weirdness in the world. 22:42.138 --> 22:42.998 [SPEAKER_01]: I really really do. 22:45.099 --> 22:46.700 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, 22:54.106 --> 23:13.058 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are saying that in order for Christ to return, thousands of babies have to be slaughtered and starved to death, if that's what you're saying, then and we need to just be sitting here waiting on Jesus to come. 23:14.727 --> 23:21.469 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that the best place Jesus could find us is on the front lines fighting. 23:21.689 --> 23:22.469 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 23:22.509 --> 23:23.189 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 23:23.610 --> 23:26.690 [SPEAKER_01]: When the sky cracks open, yes. 23:27.691 --> 23:31.272 [SPEAKER_01]: I want him to find me on the front lines fighting for Gaza. 23:31.612 --> 23:33.012 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where I want him to find me. 23:33.072 --> 23:33.973 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be busy. 23:34.773 --> 23:36.673 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be busy living like him. 23:36.973 --> 23:40.254 [SPEAKER_01]: Now somewhere is sitting waiting for him but being busy, 23:43.897 --> 23:44.678 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 23:44.858 --> 23:45.519 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 23:45.639 --> 23:46.139 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 23:46.239 --> 23:46.700 [SPEAKER_03]: Amen. 23:46.740 --> 23:52.687 [SPEAKER_03]: Because our love and our prayers, you know, have got to be accompanied with action, right? 23:52.887 --> 23:55.731 [SPEAKER_03]: And so praying with our feet praying on that picket line. 23:56.531 --> 24:00.656 [SPEAKER_03]: I just, yeah, the the the the warped theology. 24:01.377 --> 24:04.960 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean thousands upon thousands of people have died there. 24:05.641 --> 24:06.741 [SPEAKER_03]: I say millions actually. 24:06.781 --> 24:13.467 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me say that millions when we include our own ancestors because of warped wicked theology. 24:13.887 --> 24:29.120 [SPEAKER_03]: That would be Protestant and Catholic theology that has killed millions of people around the world, which is why we have got to get handles on some seriously biblical 24:29.680 --> 24:32.482 [SPEAKER_03]: theology rooted in history. 24:33.523 --> 24:41.350 [SPEAKER_03]: The Bible is not only a revelation to us, reveals God to us, but it also has actual historical accounts. 24:41.410 --> 24:42.390 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a history book. 24:42.831 --> 24:44.112 [SPEAKER_03]: No, don't be confused with history book. 24:44.572 --> 24:45.873 [SPEAKER_03]: But there is history in it. 24:46.013 --> 24:50.837 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jesus is a lot, is a historical person. 24:52.479 --> 24:52.879 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 24:53.399 --> 24:54.700 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for raising Bethlehem. 24:54.941 --> 24:55.281 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 24:55.621 --> 24:56.442 [SPEAKER_03]: Because it is there. 24:58.103 --> 24:58.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 24:58.664 --> 25:01.065 [SPEAKER_01]: And to your point, that was such a good point in community. 25:01.506 --> 25:10.513 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of the things that I always say to people is that we ought to be reading the Bible and we ought to be reading history books. 25:11.500 --> 25:29.812 [SPEAKER_01]: because we do need and you talked about history being in the Bible, you're absolutely right because we do need a well-rounded context in order to give us the fullest perspective that we can have. 25:30.617 --> 25:50.413 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and we also need to understand as we are reading the Bible and understanding the scripture, as we are reading history and understanding what has taken place in this world that everything that's biblical is not Christlike, right? 25:50.994 --> 25:52.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is why I say, 25:54.073 --> 26:00.797 [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes people upset sometimes, but that is why I say, I follow Jesus, and I learn from everyone else. 26:00.837 --> 26:02.138 [SPEAKER_01]: I have much respect. 26:02.719 --> 26:07.401 [SPEAKER_01]: We can run down the line of everybody in the Bible, the authors of the Scriptures, etc. 26:07.482 --> 26:14.586 [SPEAKER_01]: I have much respect, but I follow Jesus Christ, because everything that happened in the Bible was not Christ like. 26:15.493 --> 26:24.940 [SPEAKER_01]: And if my, if your call in command is to be like him, some of those things in the scripture, we are not to do, right? 26:25.361 --> 26:31.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we have seen that as they have a plod or real time and history, they have unturned out so well. 26:32.847 --> 26:36.890 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Jesus, he is the hermeneutic. 26:37.985 --> 26:41.911 [SPEAKER_00]: in which informs how we understand God's Word as the Word. 26:42.051 --> 26:43.794 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is so true. 26:45.316 --> 26:53.288 [SPEAKER_00]: And dare we not use Scripture or the label of Christianity to be anything but Christlike. 26:53.668 --> 26:54.208 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 26:54.248 --> 26:59.833 [SPEAKER_00]: To use it as a justification to not follow the way of Jesus and follow the way of cane. 26:59.853 --> 27:04.736 [SPEAKER_00]: If we were to contrast those two different ways in the world right now operating. 27:05.617 --> 27:06.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Reverend C.C. 27:06.137 --> 27:07.198 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to press pause. 27:07.959 --> 27:10.300 [SPEAKER_00]: Do a little bit what we do over here in terms of our ads. 27:10.400 --> 27:21.649 [SPEAKER_00]: But I hope that our listeners are taking it all in and there's you can feel the weight the weight of this conversation because for every word that we're saying there are precious lives attached to it. 27:22.689 --> 27:28.334 [SPEAKER_00]: So listen to those ads or maybe weep a little bit, pray a little bit and we'll be right back. 27:31.747 --> 27:41.210 [SPEAKER_00]: Our NAACP Image Award-nominated book, Truth Table, Black Women's Musings on Life, Love, and Liberation, is making waves and shifting culture. 27:41.991 --> 27:49.313 [SPEAKER_00]: I closed this book feeling like I had just partaken in a multi-course meal, filled with grace and the courage to carry on. 27:50.153 --> 27:53.114 [SPEAKER_00]: And I believe you'll finish this book feeling the same way. 27:53.775 --> 27:56.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Morgan Harper Nichols, Artists in Poet. 28:01.177 --> 28:03.699 [SPEAKER_00]: at our website, or wherever books are sold. 28:05.400 --> 28:06.962 [SPEAKER_00]: As you can see, we're not good for asking. 28:07.182 --> 28:09.844 [SPEAKER_00]: We're asking for money, but we are asking for money today. 28:09.964 --> 28:10.745 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's why. 28:11.105 --> 28:15.048 [SPEAKER_00]: In order for us to bring the content that we've been bringing to you for years at this point. 28:15.088 --> 28:15.508 [SPEAKER_00]: Eight years. 28:15.628 --> 28:21.013 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a whole background of folks who are talented and gifted and loving people who we have to pay. 28:21.033 --> 28:22.754 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make these things happen. 28:23.154 --> 28:26.137 [SPEAKER_00]: As well as ourselves, and we want to keep bringing great content to you. 28:26.217 --> 28:26.577 [SPEAKER_00]: Eight years. 28:26.877 --> 28:29.939 [SPEAKER_00]: We are in a desert of truth right now. 28:29.959 --> 28:33.000 [SPEAKER_00]: There seems to be lots of lives happening last night. 28:33.040 --> 28:41.964 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you support the idea of promoting security in any way, shape or form, we invite you to partner with Sri Stable and become one of our Patreon supporters. 28:42.105 --> 28:46.727 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, actually when you become a support, you actually get the episodes a couple of days before. 28:47.267 --> 28:48.147 [SPEAKER_03]: the rest of the world. 28:48.167 --> 29:07.491 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it's true, it 29:13.772 --> 29:19.177 [SPEAKER_03]: And we are back at the table talking with our good sister Reverend C.C. 29:19.237 --> 29:21.719 [SPEAKER_03]: Jones David she been breaking it down, okay? 29:21.739 --> 29:25.742 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so much so that I was getting in the mix and I couldn't, you know, I was like what I mean, I'm on the show, it was happening. 29:29.070 --> 29:30.231 [SPEAKER_03]: Leslie, don't play with me. 29:30.251 --> 29:32.353 [SPEAKER_00]: You were like, I am not a guest on my own show. 29:32.373 --> 29:32.973 [SPEAKER_00]: What's that? 29:33.454 --> 29:34.494 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not in a guest seat. 29:34.534 --> 29:35.015 [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening? 29:36.376 --> 29:38.978 [SPEAKER_00]: That people, that people know that we sneak a little bit in there. 29:38.998 --> 29:40.739 [SPEAKER_00]: We sneak a little something in there. 29:41.360 --> 29:42.641 [SPEAKER_03]: We do, we do. 29:42.841 --> 29:47.224 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we are back at the table talking about why should black women care about Palestine? 29:47.925 --> 29:49.806 [SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, and you broke it down. 29:50.387 --> 29:52.108 [SPEAKER_03]: CC, we're going to keep on talking about that. 29:52.749 --> 29:57.873 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, I know before we went to the break, we were talking a little bit when I carried away. 29:58.373 --> 30:06.640 [SPEAKER_03]: about history being in the Bible, and Jesus being a historical person yet alive. 30:08.321 --> 30:24.574 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was thinking about my own connection to Palestine, and our listeners know that I'm a Pan-Africanist, to be a Pan-Africanist, which was one who believes in the unity of all Black people on the continent, and in the diaspora, I believe they'll be on one, okay? 30:25.895 --> 30:36.723 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, but along with that, there are parallels between the black experience, particularly in America, and Bryce South Africa, you know, and Palestine, right? 30:36.743 --> 30:51.514 [SPEAKER_03]: The apartheid that the Palestinians have been living under since the Nekma in 1948, you know, so those types of things is really important for us to be reading history books and to be abreast of what's going on in the world, although I know that's hard to do in 2025 because 30:54.996 --> 30:57.618 [SPEAKER_03]: for another day, maybe next season of True State. 30:58.279 --> 31:14.912 [SPEAKER_03]: But the point is of what helps us to understand the contextual history, present reality of the Bible, of the scriptures that we love so much, is reading from people in that context. 31:15.272 --> 31:30.538 [SPEAKER_03]: So for instance, what helped me was a metry Raheb, his book Faith in the face of Empire, Reverend Monther Isaac, who is a Palestinian pastor, who just wrote Christ under the rubble and many other books. 31:31.318 --> 31:33.139 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, well, help to familiarize you all. 31:33.159 --> 31:34.679 [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to throw that out there. 31:34.739 --> 31:37.200 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to give those as offerings for you all. 31:37.700 --> 31:38.741 [SPEAKER_03]: As I asked C.C. 31:39.081 --> 31:40.762 [SPEAKER_03]: even I'm not a guest, I recognize this. 31:41.122 --> 31:42.902 [SPEAKER_03]: Although I've been talking a lot, my apologies. 31:45.183 --> 31:46.424 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very passionate about this topic. 31:46.484 --> 31:46.704 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay? 31:47.124 --> 31:48.605 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so excited. 31:48.905 --> 31:55.249 [SPEAKER_03]: I would love for you to explain to our sisters exactly how did you get connected to this issue? 31:55.710 --> 31:56.670 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not this issue. 31:56.710 --> 31:59.512 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, to this cause, they're in Palestine. 31:59.572 --> 32:01.413 [SPEAKER_03]: What helped you to deconstruct? 32:01.433 --> 32:07.817 [SPEAKER_03]: Because you mentioned quick deconstruction so that you can really advocate from a place of truth and facts. 32:08.330 --> 32:14.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, let me say this, I think that is helpful that I have had theological education. 32:15.034 --> 32:16.856 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that's helpful, right? 32:17.176 --> 32:24.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when you have a sense of, when you have some level of theological education, you are accustomed to the rigor of questioning. 32:25.241 --> 32:30.585 [SPEAKER_01]: You are accustomed to the rigor of exploration and critique. 32:31.125 --> 32:36.429 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and so, I already have a mechanism kind of built with them, 32:37.729 --> 32:45.973 [SPEAKER_01]: That allows me to feel safe questioning, right, which not everybody has and I understand that. 32:46.513 --> 32:54.137 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I talk about deconstructing quickly, I realized that that background kind of helps me a little bit, right? 32:55.317 --> 32:57.098 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I didn't read a book. 32:57.458 --> 33:01.400 [SPEAKER_01]: And to this day, like I have scanned and skin books. 33:02.360 --> 33:08.204 [SPEAKER_01]: I have met my third Isaac a few times, you know, we've had great conversation. 33:08.284 --> 33:17.030 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to South Africa to with other world leaders to talk about, you know, what in world we're going to do about Palestine, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 33:17.211 --> 33:28.338 [SPEAKER_01]: But having read a whole lot, I'll be honest with you because for me, a part of my processing, I feel like, you know, I'm going to get to the history in a minute. 33:28.638 --> 33:30.900 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just stop this bleeding over here first. 33:31.480 --> 33:33.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I haven't had a whole town a lot of time. 33:33.681 --> 33:37.162 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest with y'all to read because I've, you know, I've been so forced on the death. 33:37.863 --> 33:41.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but what has helped me quickly has been Instagram. 33:42.424 --> 33:51.068 [SPEAKER_01]: All you have to show me is this constant barrage of death, destruction, people don't fire. 33:51.988 --> 34:02.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Children and incubators that can survive because there's no air, there's no water, there's no electricity, there's nothing all you got to show me, right? 34:03.435 --> 34:06.697 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a few of few of those and then I've had enough. 34:06.917 --> 34:07.698 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need much. 34:08.478 --> 34:13.661 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had enough because I don't believe and this is something that I'm good friend of mine 34:22.548 --> 34:26.351 [SPEAKER_01]: He always says that in his as a scripture references and I believe it too. 34:26.651 --> 34:46.206 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that God delights in the death of anyone and you talk about this this cutting off of people's life sources like food and water and electricity and all the and complete families Desecrated right destroyed whole whole litigious White from the face of the earth. 34:46.326 --> 34:47.747 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't take me long 34:48.573 --> 35:00.981 [SPEAKER_01]: after watching the images on Instagram to say, nope, I don't know all the history here, but this here ain't right, nope, we gonna get out in the street and fight for these people. 35:01.001 --> 35:04.983 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what the complexities are, we're gonna talk about the complexities later on. 35:05.364 --> 35:08.926 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do what we can to stop this death right here, right? 35:09.606 --> 35:09.726 [SPEAKER_01]: And 35:10.870 --> 35:14.296 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what it was for me and that's all it took. 35:14.657 --> 35:19.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I went to the first protest that I know of was here in D.C. 35:21.862 --> 35:27.305 [SPEAKER_01]: somewhere around October the 16th, right, you know, after the, that is really, you know, we have a square. 35:27.325 --> 35:28.526 [SPEAKER_01]: We pretty gather. 35:28.846 --> 35:29.546 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 35:29.867 --> 35:34.930 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a square front of the White House, but it was still not for some people. 35:35.090 --> 35:40.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you know, I didn't, I still don't know all the pieces, but I don't need to know all the pieces. 35:40.753 --> 35:42.634 [SPEAKER_01]: I told you that my theology is simple. 35:42.774 --> 35:44.275 [SPEAKER_01]: Love and God and love and people. 35:44.775 --> 35:47.756 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, God's not delighting in the death of anyone. 35:47.897 --> 35:49.237 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was just Instagram. 35:49.617 --> 35:50.558 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I need it. 35:51.278 --> 35:53.019 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll get to the history in a minute. 35:53.159 --> 35:54.459 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get to learn and everything. 35:54.519 --> 35:58.841 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to know in a minute, but that's what drove me really. 35:59.442 --> 35:59.902 [SPEAKER_00]: That's good. 35:59.942 --> 36:00.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 36:00.702 --> 36:01.062 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 36:01.303 --> 36:10.487 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not just this idea of seeing something and being compelled with whatever resources that we all have individually and communally, right? 36:14.077 --> 36:28.286 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, I would love, remember, see, see, to get some of your wisdom, whether it's on this really important the topic on the table right now is black women's compassion towards Palestine. 36:28.926 --> 36:33.609 [SPEAKER_00]: But of the, the, the, the married of issues that are happening in the world. 36:33.689 --> 36:42.174 [SPEAKER_00]: And for those who feel a deep sense of despair and exhaustion and, and not just grief, but also anticipatory grief. 36:44.057 --> 36:45.138 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you say to them? 36:45.198 --> 36:51.460 [SPEAKER_00]: How would you minister to the people who agree with you who are listening? 36:52.041 --> 36:56.002 [SPEAKER_00]: But yet feel like they just don't even have the strength to raise their voices. 36:56.082 --> 37:02.205 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you say to them and for those who the Lord will brief fresh wind? 37:03.346 --> 37:06.207 [SPEAKER_00]: What are their next steps for advocacy? 37:06.763 --> 37:07.363 [SPEAKER_01]: so good. 37:07.884 --> 37:17.869 [SPEAKER_01]: First, let me just say, because I know the title of the topic that we're talking about is why Black women should care about Palestine. 37:18.289 --> 37:29.615 [SPEAKER_01]: It is for many, many reasons, one because Black women in the United States have a historical experience with systemic racism, colonization, and dehumanization, right? 37:30.323 --> 37:39.889 [SPEAKER_01]: And that resonates with the fact that it's fight against their own occupation and displacement and structural violence, right? 37:40.870 --> 37:43.672 [SPEAKER_01]: Black women are like the mothers of the earth. 37:43.812 --> 37:55.920 [SPEAKER_01]: All you've got to show us is some kids somewhere who are in trouble and all of us are trying to dab in and figure out what to do or you think about how movements are built here in the United States. 37:56.320 --> 38:03.122 [SPEAKER_01]: against anti-blackness, a lot of black women at the forefront of the building of those movements, right? 38:03.543 --> 38:08.284 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and so we are many of us are pan-African, right? 38:08.644 --> 38:16.007 [SPEAKER_01]: As the community said, it said, look, black folk, and not just black folk, but brown folk, everywhere matter. 38:16.427 --> 38:21.208 [SPEAKER_01]: And if everybody matters, if we all matter here, then we have a voice and we 38:23.107 --> 38:25.869 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a stake in what happens. 38:26.690 --> 38:36.637 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are others of us who come at this as a faith, do a faith lens, who see ourselves as global citizens. 38:37.097 --> 38:42.121 [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about that scripture, a Matthew 22, a couple of times, 11, our neighbors, right? 38:42.241 --> 38:43.422 [SPEAKER_01]: As we love ourselves. 38:43.482 --> 38:51.828 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there are many reasons in ways in which black women enter the conversation around all of this. 38:52.418 --> 39:03.767 [SPEAKER_01]: But for those who are feeling kind of in despair and have felt in despair about all of this and don't really know what to do. 39:04.207 --> 39:05.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell you that I hear you. 39:06.769 --> 39:07.930 [SPEAKER_01]: I am right where you are. 39:08.010 --> 39:08.551 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been right. 39:08.651 --> 39:11.473 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been all here kicking the screen with my and kicking my own walls. 39:11.872 --> 39:14.554 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying me it's not like I have been in power. 39:14.694 --> 39:17.756 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not able to drag anybody out of that's right. 39:17.837 --> 39:24.942 [SPEAKER_01]: But they and so I understand that despair because I have been there and I have felt that right. 39:26.583 --> 39:29.666 [SPEAKER_01]: What I would say to folks that want to know what's next. 39:30.026 --> 39:40.714 [SPEAKER_01]: I want folks to understand whether we're talking about Palestine or we're talking about something about another country or something else that none of us can do everything. 39:41.874 --> 39:45.675 [SPEAKER_01]: but all of us can do something about something, right? 39:46.135 --> 40:06.080 [SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, when I got into the spare roundness, I reached out, I did some research and found like a nonprofit, a humanitarian organization, and Gaza, oh Lord, I'm gonna see this, Islamic Relief Services, I think it's what it's called, but I'll send you all the information and catch you on a share with folks. 40:06.460 --> 40:09.641 [SPEAKER_01]: And I reached out to them and I started this mini campaign 40:11.292 --> 40:17.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Gaza now has the largest number of child MPTs in history. 40:20.459 --> 40:38.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Children on's legs go off, sorry, what, what, and so I started this, um, this kind of this little campaign where, um, I was raising money on line, 40:39.015 --> 40:42.797 [SPEAKER_01]: to send over to this organization is a lot of relief services. 40:43.577 --> 40:45.438 [SPEAKER_01]: And I only raised $1200. 40:47.159 --> 40:57.344 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was not terribly happy with the amount that I raised, but it was something to say that I care about these kids. 40:57.985 --> 40:59.526 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what can people do? 41:00.086 --> 41:04.268 [SPEAKER_01]: People can partner up with humanitarian organizations, 41:04.682 --> 41:09.047 [SPEAKER_01]: That are dealing directly on the ground with the issues that these people are facing. 41:09.067 --> 41:17.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been found that at least as far as we know, there's been some some piece deal established in the last few weeks, right? 41:18.461 --> 41:29.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And there is talk about, you know, dozens, what trying to rebuild their lives. 41:29.749 --> 41:42.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's going to take a mighty long time when we, when we consider that 87% of housing units, housing units, that means what people live. 41:44.792 --> 41:47.253 [SPEAKER_01]: 80% percent of those have been damaged or destroyed. 41:47.793 --> 41:55.234 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take a lot when we talk about 60% of their crop land has been damaged or destroyed. 41:55.735 --> 42:00.836 [SPEAKER_01]: When we talk about them, over a million people who have been displaced within Gaza. 42:01.116 --> 42:10.838 [SPEAKER_01]: And when we talk about 69% of Gaza's infrastructure has been damaged, including water systems and energy systems, rebuilding is going to take a long time. 42:12.498 --> 42:13.579 [SPEAKER_01]: people need our support. 42:15.240 --> 42:24.304 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I really say to my sisters who are out there and have been feeling to spare and get up girl, we got a little ways to go now. 42:25.865 --> 42:27.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Shake the dust off. 42:28.187 --> 42:34.350 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's hard, it's been hard and we're going to have to stop and cry for a minute and that's fine, but get back up. 42:35.638 --> 42:38.278 [SPEAKER_01]: because we've got more work to do for more people. 42:38.779 --> 42:47.140 [SPEAKER_01]: So partnering up with organizations who are doing this grassroots work to give people's houses rebuilt, to give peace, right? 42:47.200 --> 42:50.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Medical services they need, to give folk the food they need. 42:51.141 --> 42:54.781 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if we can't do nothing else, we can send some dollars. 42:55.121 --> 42:57.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you know, those are dollars that sent the bombs. 42:58.462 --> 43:02.463 [SPEAKER_01]: So it can be our dollars that provide some food. 43:04.807 --> 43:11.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, what's ringing in my ears, right, is to do something about something. 43:12.226 --> 43:29.011 [SPEAKER_00]: to do something about something, and it is true, we can't fix all the things, but the inability to have full control does not mean we don't steward our agency, and we don't lean into the capacity that we can right now. 43:29.091 --> 43:34.972 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the pursuit of a perfect response will cause us to not do anything. 43:35.012 --> 43:40.534 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I hope everybody hears this, this we reminder that we have 43:41.834 --> 43:43.556 [SPEAKER_00]: to do something about something. 43:44.176 --> 44:00.011 [SPEAKER_00]: And if this is where you feel compelled right now as you are listening about the beloved image bears and Gaza, if you are feeling a nudge, if you have wept, if you feel a deep sense of compassion, we want you to get activated. 44:00.825 --> 44:05.569 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want you to dismiss that, there's so much that you can do to distract yourself, to zone out. 44:06.230 --> 44:13.897 [SPEAKER_00]: But we actually believe that the Lord is giving you that gift of compassion to be able to see people as God sees people. 44:14.837 --> 44:22.364 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that this episode causes people truly reverency to lean into their sense of holy agency. 44:23.267 --> 44:27.528 [SPEAKER_00]: to do what they can with what they have while they can. 44:27.548 --> 44:52.417 [SPEAKER_00]: And you talked about, you know, you know, right now, we don't necessarily, we are not feeling what these precious people have felt in our feeling, but to be frank with you, we are in a place in the United States where we are very cozy, very cozy with deep, deep injustice and fascism. 44:53.572 --> 45:10.880 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is our opportunity to lean and to love our neighbors well because it is the right thing to do and also because we do not know how the tables will turn and so today is the day to do something about something. 45:11.293 --> 45:20.040 [SPEAKER_01]: They meant to that, let me go back just really quickly to tell him because I gave y'all the whole whole wrong name of the organization, okay? 45:21.801 --> 45:22.622 [SPEAKER_03]: That's important. 45:23.763 --> 45:27.146 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually Palestine children's relief fund. 45:27.186 --> 45:28.807 [SPEAKER_01]: They've been around for a long time. 45:29.251 --> 45:31.633 [SPEAKER_01]: Palace of Children's Relief Funds. 45:31.653 --> 45:35.376 [SPEAKER_01]: You all forget what I had said earlier because that was not the name of the organization. 45:35.456 --> 45:35.956 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 45:36.036 --> 45:37.657 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 45:37.677 --> 45:37.757 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 45:37.777 --> 45:39.439 [SPEAKER_03]: We will put the link. 45:39.459 --> 45:41.360 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they have a link to their website, correct? 45:41.720 --> 45:42.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 45:42.541 --> 45:44.903 [SPEAKER_03]: And we can, yeah, well, we'll put that in the show notes as well. 45:44.963 --> 45:47.345 [SPEAKER_03]: Palestine Children's Relief Funds, is it? 45:47.745 --> 45:47.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 45:48.485 --> 45:48.826 [SPEAKER_03]: Correct. 45:48.926 --> 45:49.686 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wonderful. 45:50.307 --> 45:56.652 [SPEAKER_03]: And I do want to say that the situation in Gaza between Palestine is fluid. 45:58.880 --> 45:59.080 [SPEAKER_03]: right. 46:00.341 --> 46:04.685 [SPEAKER_03]: As of this is mid October that we are on these mics. 46:05.146 --> 46:09.069 [SPEAKER_03]: By the time you know here this something could have shifted, something could have changed. 46:09.209 --> 46:13.053 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're coming into this later, something could have been has already shifted. 46:13.153 --> 46:19.018 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and so I do want to say that because the situation is often, it's fluid. 46:19.498 --> 46:21.200 [SPEAKER_03]: It could really change because it's 46:21.700 --> 46:37.935 [SPEAKER_03]: It is a ceasefire and there have been multiple ceasefires in the past, okay, which means that if there are there have there's another one now that that means the fire didn't cease that means of ceasefire did not hold and so we need people praying 46:38.455 --> 46:40.617 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, and also donating. 46:41.317 --> 46:46.742 [SPEAKER_03]: And it is really, really important for us to stay informed on what is happening because the U.S. 46:46.822 --> 47:01.093 [SPEAKER_03]: is so deeply entangled as our sister CC broke it down our tax dollars, go to that bomb, our tax dollars, fund those genocides, and so our dollars should also go to help to support. 47:03.035 --> 47:05.417 [SPEAKER_03]: our neighbors in Palestine as well. 47:05.437 --> 47:06.438 [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you so much. 47:06.758 --> 47:11.543 [SPEAKER_03]: I was about to go into another tangent, but Holy Ghost helped me to have some self-culture because I did that. 47:11.563 --> 47:17.588 [SPEAKER_03]: I was about to go into and really it was Biden's seaside, but then John stopped me. 47:17.908 --> 47:19.330 [SPEAKER_03]: You see I'm still going into it. 47:19.910 --> 47:38.056 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it could be politically intimate changes for him, but anyway, so that's the truth Yeah, do your do your Google's y'all do your research and you know what I'm gonna put down a source for that I'm gonna try find that source although our outlets are bottom to try find that I'm so that you know The real truth. 47:38.476 --> 47:44.378 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so anyway But see see I want to thank you so much for coming here to the table sister 47:45.198 --> 47:54.902 [SPEAKER_03]: How can our people, our sisters at the table, our sisters brothers in the stand-in room section, follow you, get connected to your work, is there anything that you want them to know? 47:55.602 --> 47:56.782 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, connected to you. 47:57.042 --> 47:57.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 47:57.623 --> 48:04.085 [SPEAKER_01]: We focus on follow me on Instagram, I'm an old here, so I'm Facebook too. 48:04.905 --> 48:11.848 [SPEAKER_01]: At CC Jones Davis, folks can find me at CC Jones Davis.com and reach out to me that way, you'll send me a DM. 48:12.813 --> 48:24.702 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm deeply grateful to you a community and you Christina for giving such voice to this issue using your really powerful platform. 48:24.762 --> 48:26.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you ladies for what you do. 48:27.064 --> 48:29.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for how you bring us into conversations. 48:29.425 --> 48:32.168 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for how you keep us caught up in the world. 48:32.268 --> 48:34.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you for how you help ground us. 48:35.410 --> 48:39.333 [SPEAKER_01]: And times when, you know, we could just be going all with your way. 48:39.865 --> 48:48.227 [SPEAKER_01]: but we want to be right and we want to be thinking right and we want to be serving God and we want to be loving people and you all help us do that, so thank you. 48:49.962 --> 48:50.662 [SPEAKER_00]: God bless you. 48:50.883 --> 48:51.683 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much. 48:51.843 --> 48:52.524 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Seth. 48:52.564 --> 48:54.765 [SPEAKER_03]: That really means a lot to us. 48:54.805 --> 49:03.870 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for seeing us and thank you for seeing our work that that was it ain't an easy feat, you know, but we try to be faithful by God's grace, you know. 49:04.871 --> 49:06.912 [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you so much for sitting at the table. 49:08.013 --> 49:12.575 [SPEAKER_03]: CC with us and we want to thank our systems for taking a seat at the table with us this week. 49:12.616 --> 49:16.358 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep the conversation going y'all sharing your thoughts about this episode. 49:16.718 --> 49:16.778 [SPEAKER_03]: Why? 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