[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we've got our most recent episode of TruckPodcast's 301.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, you missed last week,case.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry you missed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a bit of a celebration.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Truck was here as a kind of a special return host, but you're out shooting a video.
[SPEAKER_02]: So today, Andre's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where's Andre?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now he's out on vacation in the UK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, Evan.
[SPEAKER_01]: a good trip with his family, but yeah, 301 episodes of Talking Truck is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is pretty cool and today we're going to be talking about annoying ways truck manufacturers cut costs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've got a list of different things that truck manufacturers do that kind of annoying me because it just seems petty and silly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before we get to that, let's talk about
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're doing a big competition testing out trucks to figure out what's going to be the truck of the year because this is something that we've done a little bit in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're trying to formalize it and make it a more standardized test.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's going to be a lot of components going into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although for this test, we're not going to be doing any off-road testing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, so in the past what we did was the Golden Hitch, which was kind of the best-towing truck, and then we also did a kind of an off-road component to it, but this time we're just going to do a very straightforward truck of the year competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we're going to do is combine all the tests that we do individually into one
[SPEAKER_02]: big overarching test to pick the best in this year, we're going to go with full size truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the best full size trucks are going to be towing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, up the I, we're going to be doing an MPG run and we're going to be doing what else we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one other component to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would hope that at some point we're going to do a little bit of testing with hauling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to, basically, the stuff that people use trucks for and then they'll, I think we'll do what kind of motor train does, and that is we'll quantify the numbers, and then based not just solely on numbers, but maybe on our input as well, we'll pick the winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as you can probably tell, this is Andre's area because he's the number's guy through his numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're doing a bad job of explaining his test.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, we are.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll let him do it when he gets back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's going to be cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a big video, a big test.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of feel it'll be me and you again next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Andre is off to Germany next week to test and Mercedes van.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of out of the office for two weeks now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's doing a lot of traveling.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually everybody's doing a lot of traveling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seema is coming up, LA Auto Show is coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a lot of individual vehicle programs as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Nathan was just driving the new frontier and Michigan on the sand dunes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that new niche.
[SPEAKER_02]: New as you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that video is coming up very soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where are you going?
[SPEAKER_02]: You got a lot on your play too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going with Android 2Cema.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll have some videos coming from that of some of the really cool vehicles that are always there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to LA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm there with Nissan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I'm there with Infinity.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll meet up at the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we'll have wild wild TFL coverage because it'll be me and Andre from Seema.
[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta say I'm dreading it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seema.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a lot of walking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like like this is coming my what now I don't know 10th year going something like that and by the end of day two I'm covering things not based on how interesting they are but how close they are to the media or
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to be fair too, you and I are kind of on opposite ends of the spectrum where I really like modified customized vehicles and I know you and Tommy not not as much fans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love modified vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't love modified vehicles for our channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they lose a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be also fair, you're good at modifying vehicles, and I am not good at modifying vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, hopefully, you know, we can come somewhere in the middle.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing about Seema, here's the thing about Seema, is it's just, it's just hard to get your arms around it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's hard to figure out what is interesting above all the noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on your way to go film something that you know is cool that you know you want to film You walk by five other things that you genuinely do not even have the time to look at.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Yeah, it would be cool to walk around the show and enjoy it as as kind of a spectator when we're there working
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on a mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we've been and then a lot of people and I'm very grateful for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come up and say hi to us But it's also a little bit daunting because you know you've got only so much time and then you're trying to get to yeah These different Things you're covering and then you know, we don't want to be rude to people so we stop and chat with them, but
[SPEAKER_02]: That also makes it hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course, there is the Vegas component of it where you have a bunch of like Pre-drunk or post-drunk German Yeah, so it's a lot going on, but if any of you are at CMA don't be surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sprinting from a haul to haul No, yeah, don't hesitate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we always want to say hi.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it'll be an interesting year because You know, obviously the landscape politically has changed and so a lot of the
[SPEAKER_02]: EPA stuff while it's still in place, the penalties for it have gone away, so that may free up people to do a lot more craziness.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what's at the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that I look forward to for sure it is kind of daunting, but that's coming up and a lot of other trips.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got two dodge trips coming up as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing with dodge?
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... derango and then uh... a uh... charger event was a pretty cool yeah yeah so that's all right no that's not my least favorite yeah yeah all right well so let's talk about uh... these uh... annoying ways of manufacturers uh... cut cost on trucks uh... specifically in the number ten on our list will do it the tf all i will start number ten is uh... bedliners or the lack there of uh... i'd always
[SPEAKER_02]: really gets me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happened to us this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually Ford is done this, where you go and buy a new truck and I kind of fall in love with the truck and I'm walking around the truck and then at the very end I kind of look in the bed now because there's no bedliner because you basically you have to have either ordered or done at the factory because many dealers don't actually order it with the bedliner and the cost of bedlining has also gone up dramatically because when we started this you could
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say now, when we take our truck to Linux, I want to say it's $1,000 or close to it, maybe $900 to do a full-size truck bed in bedlining.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then what's especially daunting is there is competition there, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like most of the Japanese trucks either,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, anything with a composite bed is already going to have a textured finish, and especially for us where we live in Colorado, and we get snow, you get snow in the bed, and God forbid the bed of your truck is wet, and it's on bedlined, it's just the painted steel finish, you're going to lose your footing and slam your head into the bedrail.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we always like to bedline our trucks so that to us they feel kind of unfinished until you get them bedlined,
[SPEAKER_01]: But to your point, a lot of trucks when you go to the dealer don't have it, so I understand where you're coming from that they sometimes feel a little unfinished before they have bedline or in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also understand why a lot of trucks don't come with bedline or from the factory, because that is how it was going back.
[SPEAKER_01]: long, long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, for me, it's also like the second you throw anything in the bike and it doesn't have to be rocks, or, you know, heavy landscaping equipment, it could just be a bicycle and you scratch the bed, then next time it rains, it's going to start to rust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, depending on the material that the truck has made out of it, if it's a steel bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or if it's a little bit of my get some surface, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I always hate seeing like, you know, 510 year old trucks where the bed is just, you know, a got-offle mess.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, there's something, maybe it's, maybe it's my OCD, but I just like to keep it neat and clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you do have to have,
[SPEAKER_02]: something to protect it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, if the other issue we ran into is like this year, we wanted to get the maverick all-wheel drive hybrid first and oftentimes, if you specify a truck with a bedliner, it takes longer to forth and be delivered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is a bummer, because of everything in the manufacturing process to build a truck, you wouldn't think that something you can also do at home would be the thing to delay it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, so then we end up taking it to Linux here and Boulder and the guys great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I say, it's the price of that has gone up from like 400.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably doubled in the last five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not the fancy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you can choose different kinds of
[SPEAKER_01]: aftermarket bedliner you can have the black or you can have a colored which costs more you can have it like protected from the sun which costs more yeah the UV the UV protects yeah or I guess you can do it yourself if you don't you you don't yourself right yeah so I've outlined a bedline the entire exterior of a Tacoma and a Dodge van and then I've done the beds of baby Yoda artoidle yeah pick up that we used to have and of my personal 12-out of comments
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not bad, the kits that I used were from a company called Raptor Liner, and you've got a little container that you that you mix together, you thread it onto the bottom of a little spray gun that hooks up to your compressor, and it's actually a lot of fun to spray it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it comes out pretty thick, it makes a nice textured finish, so all you gotta do is scuff it, tape it off, spray it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: That bed liner has been on my truck for four or five years and it's not as tough as the line X and the line X comes with a warranty and everything but it's a pretty good finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have to say I'm not a big fan of bedlining vehicles outside of the bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, me neither.
[SPEAKER_01]: Neither of those vehicles were my vehicles nor my choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And both of them had pretty bad body work, which is I think part of the reason is the owners.
[SPEAKER_02]: It covers up a lot of sins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it also makes a vehicle look like it has a skin condition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I see like a bedline, there's two things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I see a bedline, the vehicle, or if it's cheap, and I see that diamond plate, yeah, I just immediately think a rust, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's what a lot of people are using this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cover it, cover the rust up, and so when I see diamond plate or a bedline, I'm like, yeah, there's probably a lot of rot under there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm whether it's it's not my favorite thing, but I have done it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for a while, it was like the thing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see my go to see mine, I remember being there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a few years ago, and this was like the way that you look cool off-roading, because it does make it rugged, and so if you're... It is, it's a tough finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you're like going through, you're not gonna get trail damage, at least not light trail damage.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's go to number nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something we had to have done once again in our F-150 tremor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is, we're in our fender liners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the inner fender liners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hate when you can look at, it's like looking under someone's bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't wanna see what's under your bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't wanna see what's under your truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting because it does look unfinished when you can see semi-painted sheet metal underneath and you can see the fence or leaf spring.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah so it's it's another one of those things that you find on a lot of new trucks that make it look unfinished here we've got some images of our truck with the fender liner and yes I had it done at Linux that was 300 bucks was it yeah 300 bucks to do that so it was it just unpainted or it didn't have the liner on all the liners yeah and the material that they're made of is kind of this like it's like hard felt it's not even all that like impressive like you're not yeah you're not not putting anything that really does much
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a barrier to the wild like the mud not to collect on the underside of the better on the you wouldn't think there would be much cost associated with that you know that it seems pretty reasonable to include that in a vehicle because again that's one of those things that makes makes a vehicle seem pretty unfinished especially when you're spending over $60,000 the MSRP on this tremor was nearly what $70,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you would think on a truck that has a stick-up price hovering around 70 grand that they would give you in in our fender liner that seems That seems reasonable right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the line-ex owner was saying that this is the goose that laid the golden egg because people come in and they Everybody has it done and yeah, he didn't tell me how much you buys it for But he charges 300 bucks to do it and I'm thinking it's like 30 bucks to buy this stuff
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't imagine that the materials very expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I suppose you could probably do it yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just looks like the way it's attached or just those little like, you know, ribbon kind of things that will plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that doesn't look like it's a whole tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, clips.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the holes are there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're in the truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a manufacturer's don't put in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of feel like it's one of those things where being counters are like, yeah, if we can save 30 bucks to truck multiply that by 200,000, then it's a big number, but it feels cheap, but it feels petty to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then we, so we're also alive on Patreon right now for anybody who's watching on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we appreciate your support.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've got a comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyone who's watching on Patreon will answer some of your questions and your comments live.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jonathan is mentioning that we should make a bedliner installation tutorial video a long time ago when we did the bedliner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I lied.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've done bedliner, or I've done it in the beds of three trucks, because we did a video when we bedlined the bed of gun smoke.
[SPEAKER_01]: The old diesel OBS Ford that we had, that was on the classic channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I believe that we did a video as well when we did the bedliner in Babyota in the Tacoma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of those videos, that was a while ago, and obviously they're buried.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the, this is one of the Tacoma's that I bedline the exterior of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is bad?
[SPEAKER_01]: Something.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on day one, that's the best it's ever going to look.
[SPEAKER_01]: Half of that starts a whole dirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I go, you're showing how to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, when our Raptors not are, is not a, uh, not a sponsor, we just, that's just what you use.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah but um it is kind of a fun fun process uh and and it is pretty straightforward we've done a couple videos we could dig those up but it's it's a long time let me ask you this is is bedlining something like painting something where most of the work is in the prep
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw you took out the lights there, you're covering up the wheels there, you haven't covered the glass.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to scuff the exterior, but it's really not that much prep compared to shooting actual paint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the on the exterior of a vehicle, like when we painted the exterior of Gunsmoker, when I painted the exterior of my truck, even doing a simple single stage paint, that's a lot more prep than what you have to do if you're just shooting Raptor liner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Since it's that textured finish, it doesn't have to be quite perfect and it's a pretty tough coating.
[SPEAKER_01]: So generally not as worried about it chipping or flaking off, so yeah, it's more work and prep than the actual spraying, but it's not tons of work.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when they do the bed, there is more prep to it than just spraying it right because you're going to take the plastic top rails off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially on newer trucks, I have a lot of lights.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got outlets in their beds.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing something older, it's going to be a lot easier because it's just going to be metal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're mostly going to need to scuff it, wipe it down, so that it's clean, tape off the things that you don't want bedline around and go to town.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's also those access panels in the bed that they, I think if you just bedline them, then you'll never access anything inside the trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you pull those off as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they do something really.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's mostly newer trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So nothing that I've sprayed was ever that new.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, number eight on our list is this is yours.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, these are so this was a particular pet peeve of mine, but recently we had a ram rebel and it was a more basic truck to be fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had cloth seeds, it had the the simpler interior small screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was lacking a lot of features, but one thing that it was yeah, maybe not a rebel
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was still 60 grand, and one of the ways where they cut costs on it were the volume switches on the back of the steering wheel, which is one of the volumes switches that people use most often, and one of the switches that people use most often period.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are some items like that that I have to imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not saving enough money to warrant getting rid of one of the switches that you use the most.
[SPEAKER_02]: four doesn't do those, which is in the back of the steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's our on the front of the the wheel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but with a still anti-sand with ram, obviously in GM, they do have those buttons.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of like, once you get used to them and once you know they're back there, yeah, initially when I started this job, I kind of forgot about them, but then I started using them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I kind of miss them if they're not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go to reach for them and it's a little
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit of a let down when you find that they're not there because you get, yeah, you get so used to them and it's a switch that you use all the time when you're driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the high performance trucks have paddle shifters, so that's a problem because they would be kind of behind in the way, but if they don't have them, they're really nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And once again,
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a little plasticy buttons, and I can't think that they're very expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, number seven is a pet peeve of mine, and it's both on trucks and on cars, and that is, I hate it when the driver has fully adjustable electric seat, and the passenger has manual seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get in the car with your significant other, and you're like, lap of luxury, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the person's like looking around, and then you're like, ah, it's between your legs, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to reach for that bracket that they have to lift and move the seat, and then they have to reach for the back adjustment.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just becomes awkward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the sound of it is jarring to any time someone pulls up on that bar and a shuk It all slides to seek.
[SPEAKER_02]: You never slide a perfectly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you slide it all the way back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some vehicles, the actual back seat rest adjustment is kind of hard to find.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah you know what I mean so yeah sometimes there's a lumbar and the act of the backrest adjustment separately uh yeah i get where you're coming from my my truck is pretty old so it's got fully manual sea controls which i almost prefer you know driver and passenger are in the same boat so i did something similar this last weekend and i feel bad about it but i didn't have a choice i'll tell you what i did so we just bought this fiat one two four
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it has, it had an issue with the driver's side seat belt where the thing is so worn out that you can't pull it out it kind of it kind of stops So you get a slowly pull it and then it'll flop and you go back and pull it and it does that little quick thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So basically the mechanism that keeps you from flying forward in case of an accident is broken and it doesn't sense it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but the passenger one is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: don't tell me you use the passenger one I switched them yeah oh you switch them around yeah I switched them but basically I made I made the passenger one on the driver's side the annoying one yeah exactly so not passenger has to slowly pull it or has a driver and I did that because I think I was sticking the way that the engineers at the truck companies think and that is that's the one that's going to get used to most
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so to be fair, we understand why they cut costs by making passenger seat controls manual, but it can be a little bit jarring and pretty clear indicator that the vehicle you're driving has had those costs cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to save some money, and then I got into it, and when they did, those seatbelts had been removed, the fiat from 1979, and when they did it, they used, like, you can talk, because they used, like, a locked tight on those bolts at whole the seatbelts in place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably a good thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably a good thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I literally could not undo those bolts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was almost standing on, you know, I would have had to have like an extension that would have been like the size of a broom handle to get enough leverage, so then I was like, ah, fudge, so I got, I had to go get what are those things called the driver, the, um, an impact.
[SPEAKER_02]: An impact driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to go get an impact driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is important.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think I got?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you're going to say Milwaukee.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't get Milwaukee because I don't say railways.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got railways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you why I got railways because I'm like, OK, I don't want to spend a lot of money to spit out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we had a railways impact forever, but it's a little tiny one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's off.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a little tiny thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I went to Harbor Freight as one does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And their impact driver was 200 and like 50 bucks, which is a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's without the charger and without the battery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the batteries are where they get you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is coming from a Milwaukee user, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I have all the railbie batteries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I knew I was going to get the battery.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have all the chargers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got the biggest railbie impact driver that I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have, if it's not abundantly clear, I have bought into all the internet propaganda about Milwaukee.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I'm not looking, if one, when I understand why it did, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
[SPEAKER_02]: impact now, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We have obviously screwdriver, right, a drill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, our drill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have, I have a long leaf lower.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a two chain sauce.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can still come back to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have, I have a rotor router.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty deep dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am pretty deep into Raiobi.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's kind of like their budget brand, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole lot of people's budget brand.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also have like literally like nine or ten batteries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not just little tiny ones, the big ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was using the leaf flow yesterday to blow out all the dust out of the new barn that we built.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it works well, so it I'm sure it makes air come out of the end of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I Ultimately, They're all power tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sponsored.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just horrifically heavily biased.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a good thing that we don't review tools because I would be really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Railbeard Milwaukee or anybody else who makes power equipment, battery power equipment is going to be the Milwaukee sponsor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're open to sponsorship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very open.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so if you guys are out there listening, if you want me to get rid of all the railbeam Milwaukee, just, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Ask a TFO truck.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's an email.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, let's keep building then number six.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's number six?
[SPEAKER_02]: Number six on the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, this is another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the big ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a plastic-y steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Try to understand because you use the steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously every single time you drive in the truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first thing that you do is grab the steering wheel and feel that you're driving something that they've cheaped out on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean there is to be saying that the I guess this is a Japanese thing and I've repeated a number of times and I don't know if it's true you can Google it but the Japanese say the most important part of a car is
[SPEAKER_02]: touchpoints is the door handle because it's the first thing you touch yeah and I kind of I kind of buy into that so the door handles important and steering wheel's important and nothing says to me like I have I have not succeeded in life like getting behind the wheel of a truck I'm putting my hands around it like crappy rubbery plastic E steering wheel and I know that's coming from somebody who is very fortunate you know has owned Raptor R's and TRX is here at the company
[SPEAKER_02]: but still it seems like you know that's the one thing you don't want to cut cost on and you don't have to have a big ass like you know fancy stitch steering wheel just don't make it feel like you feel the line where they you know where the two halves came together yeah there's like a little bit of a hard edge exactly yeah I hate that
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get that because it's one thing if you've got cheap plastics underneath the dash, or maybe at the very top of the dash, you're realistically not going to interact with it that much, maybe the binoculars kind of a cheap plastic, or parts of the door cards, I get it, but to your point touch points, if the door handle and the steering wheel and the key are all cheap flimsy feeling plastics, that's going to be a lot of your impression of the vehicle itself is that it's cheap flimsy and plastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do have a confession case, so you'll understand where this is coming from.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I was a young man, my very first car that my dad bought for himself because he knew I was going to drive was the first time to Civic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got that car from my dad and it was $2.5,000, it was a cheapest car you could buy in America.
[SPEAKER_02]: And back then, the way that you would fix these plastic steering wheels and I don't know if people still do this is you would get to like the leather steering wheel cover and then you would kind of stitch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I did that, but this is where it gets embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also wore driving gloves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for the Civic.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the Civic.
[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
[SPEAKER_02]: With no fingers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a fingerless dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you still have these gloves?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it looks like bicycling gloves almost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, those gloves would be I took driving very seriously in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: There would be much more at home in your in your Fiat in your 1979 Fiat Yes, driving gloves in that makes a lot more sense than in a Civic and this carry part was like, you know I was trying to like Get a girlfriend and I'm bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just had the car
[SPEAKER_02]: Like junior year you got the park at the high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'd be like hey I give you your right home, and I get in the car for my child.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's stuff I'm sure the girl was thinking like this guy is such a loser Yeah, and I was thinking look at me, babe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm putting on driving gloves until it's heard the Civic fire up I'll bet it was loud because I punched the horn the muffler
[SPEAKER_01]: She just took a bottle opener and peeled it over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just took a screwdriver, boom, right through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I'm impressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she was impressed as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, these giant driving lights on the front?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were so big.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were so big.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were KC's.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like the biggest, most massive KC's that could find.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you turn them on, it actually drew so much power that the end you're going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I made the car slower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to give them a little bit of throttle.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I also pinstriped it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you do it by hand?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you could buy these little kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were cheap, they were like nine bucks, and then you would just put the pinstriped on and then they had like a little error on the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta say, I've watched you put stickers on cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be very interested to see those.
[SPEAKER_02]: It pumps what's not that straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how guys used to do by hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really impressive the people that are really good at it, but I would pay to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the, okay, so the pinstripe to trick there is you don't glue it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're long sections, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're one for each door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so not a brush.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, it's a piece of plastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you stick it at the front and then you kind of line it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You lined up and then you stick it down, so you can see it straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was envisioning you like that guy at Rolls Rolls Hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, that would be a squiggly line.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what's number five, dude?
[SPEAKER_01]: Number five is really getting into the meat of some of the more important things.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a safety issue that we think are lacking on some cheaper trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what we're talking about for number five is cheap headlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: because a lot of base model trucks really cheap out on the headlights, old school halogens on base models, and you see it in the in the NHTSA safety reports that the headlight performance on a lot of those base trucks is pretty poor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, even some of the upgraded headlights are average like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a RAM 2500 big horn, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a couple years last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But 2021, I think, was that truck?
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, along.
[SPEAKER_01]: Model year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that thing had the little, you know, little crappy
[SPEAKER_02]: Candles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, and you bring up a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Japanese do something which I really respect and that is they have kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: a war going on with safety equipment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Tommy and I were just reviewing the new RAF4 and Toyota's up to their safety sense for over the call of their safety, Toyota's safety sense cold, do we know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Japanese have this arms race where Toyota Honda
[SPEAKER_02]: Mazda, they basically give you most of the safety equipment automatically, so you get autonomous braking, blindside, blind spot avoidance, and yeah, and a lot of those features are really cool and helpful for the majority of drivers out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I will say, is that some of them go a little too far, we've had a couple vehicles recently that have been pretty annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that highlighter yellow Volvo was at an EX 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, EX 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one that we had by the office did something like.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the name of the color.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was basically a color based on whatever grows on rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one was definitely not the color of anything that grows in nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a highlighter yellow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was Swedish, like a, or a monster something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's serious.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what the theme of the colors was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a bit of a leap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or that's what they were inspired by.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but anyway, the this Volvo as I was doing something it's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it stands out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's the most diplomatic way I can describe it, but I was driving this car I left the office had gone about two thirds of a mile and I dared to yon as I was driving the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that in a little message popped up that said
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you should think about pulling over on resting for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: After I had been driving for three minutes and 15 seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, to be fair, so what the Japanese give you is they give you the standard stuff, like I said, blind spot, ordering autonomous, which could also be problematic, autonomous breaking, but they don't go into like lean keeps stuff, which is super annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so some of it can be a little over the top, but I think we can all agree that headlights that actually work are a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that you want to have on any vehicle, even base models.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that that should be a negotiable.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I agree, especially if you're putting your loved ones into that vehicle and a lot of that safety stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any time I see a car with like autonomous lane, whatever that is, keep I hate it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whether or not buses my seat or it pulls on the steering wheel or it's just, we're on the same page about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's a good thing about trucks, trucks aren't that autonomous yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, we live in Colorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we go up in the mountains, you hit implement weather.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not going to be street lights.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's plenty of wildlife.
[SPEAKER_01]: So having really poor headlights when you're driving at night in the mountains, on these pretty fast roads, is not comforting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a great thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So better headlights is something that we would want to see on every truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the good thing about trucks often though is that they're kind of the last in the automotive world to get some of the latest I'm going to call it cost cutting so like for instance obviously everybody's going to massive screens but most trucks still have traditional knobs for volume traditional buttons for HBAC yeah at least on some lower trim levels
[SPEAKER_02]: I ain't around the upper ones like we got that the Ford still has HVAC real buttons and so does the GMC.
[SPEAKER_01]: But our Ford's not the biggest screen is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a time truck, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, there might be a bigger one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, I think that the manufacturers understand the people might be wearing gloves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you go and do it everything in the screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I love trucks because they still, and even other things that I love like metal bumpers, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Real metal bumpers.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get that on a car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forget it.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least still trucks have them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a large reason why people love trucks because they're kind of back to the basics, except the driver, the driver truck, and people don't want the driver truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So but there are some exceptions to that, even in trucks, which brings us to number four, like on this list, this one a little bit specifically calling out Chevy, but Chevy's not the only one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's moving buttons into the screen for very essential things like headlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Chevy Colorado that Andre had in our GMC Canyon, had light switches built into the screen, which once you get used to it works, but that's the kind of thing that why, is that really an area where we need to cut costs?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I don't want to mention here as calls, which is,
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's called mushrooms because the parts you see is small, but the part underneath the ground is big or behind the firewall And so apparently those things are more expensive than you might believe, but just from a like a safety standpoint If your screen goes out, how do you turn on the headlights?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're having some kind of glitch because they're driven enough vehicles for enough time to know that that happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's kind of like the stupidity that has happened with those electronic door switches.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've been in a river recently, but a river in Hanzi, electronic door switch, and then right in front of it is the mechanical one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you have to have a backup so people can get out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not just have the regular one, the mechanical one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why even have that electronic one?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like a styling thing that is a silly and be dangerous because, you know, people have gotten trapped in these cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a few vehicles that exist that have their mechanical door handle back up on underneath panels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Test those, especially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the door cards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you actually have to remove a panel to get to the mechanical
[SPEAKER_01]: And in an emergency, even not in an emergency, it might take you a while to figure that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was just in the new Jeep, black in your S, I was visiting my friend Stephen Chicago, and he was riding along with me, and it's very similar to the Ruby and where there's like a little door handle that is just ahead of the little popper switch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Steve, I just noticed that he was opening up the car with that with the little door handle because it's so much more intuitive and then the begs a question Why bother?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not just have the little door handle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you have to have a little popper switch?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have also a Corvette CA that's also got the electronic doors and sometimes it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the car is brand고 and it doesn't work and you hit it again, it works, but once again, it just seems like needless tech just for tech sake.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm with you, I think that is certainly something that I'm glad the truck manufacturers aren't hopefully going to, but who knows, you know, five years from now maybe every headlights which will be in the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, number three on the list, this is one that you picked up on that I think is a really good addition to the list, and that is that some base model trucks don't come with brake controllers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we both agree that any pickup truck should have a brake controller if it's rated to toe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here in Colorado, if you're telling more than 3,000 pounds, you need to have some kind of trailer brakes hooked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: and why would any truck that's able to tow any significant amount of weight not have an integrated brake controller?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we've used some other systems that you can plug into the cigarette lighter and will work with a truck that doesn't have any other rated buttons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's such a clunky system and sometimes they have faults at the worst of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to tell you
[SPEAKER_02]: company because I don't want to shame anybody, but I was recently at a launch of truck-based SUV and the manufacturer went up in the press conference and said, this truck can tow, I want to say this SUV can tow seven or eight thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I raised my hand and I said, does it have a break controller?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they said, no, it doesn't have a break controller.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, that means it can throw 3,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's capable of throwing whatever it is, 8,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, no, that of break controller, that the heaviest you can go is, at least in the state of Colorado.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these rules are different for each state.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 3,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's capable of throwing 3,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you can't break the load,
[SPEAKER_02]: with, you know, a break on the trailer, you can't tow it above 3,000 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the representative there was like, no, no, and then finally the engineer stepped in and said, he's right, he's going to go to 3,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, guys, it can only tow 3,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these things are not expensive, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little, you know, it's not, it's a little bit of wiring and it's a little bit of plastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't understand why specifically truck, and especially truck-based SUVs just don't
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you're going to pour the R&D into engineering a vehicle that can tow like you said close to 10,000 pounds, why not give it that little switch to make the whole process seamless and make it seem like the vehicle is actually intended for that use because we we have to do that all the time, get our remote brake controller and
[SPEAKER_01]: It works, but it's so much clunky here of a system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the other problem is you have to have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two parts to it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a part that you basically, the controller part, that you plug into the passenger compartment of the vehicle, cab of the truck, and then there's a part that goes in the trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have multiple trailers, and if you want to tow different trailers, then you got to move the part that, and then you got to figure out a way to attach it, and then
[SPEAKER_02]: You know we've been using zip ties and zip ties go bad and it's just a really clunky way of doing it and they're expensive I think our remote Break control was like 500 bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it doesn't have to be you know if the manufacturer puts in this like 20 dollar part You're golden
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of the first things I look when I get into a truck is doesn't have a break control.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it doesn't, I'm like, it's just not a real truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially when you go to smaller trucks, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So like mid-sized trucks often don't have them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in our Maverick, we actually had a pay for the...
[SPEAKER_02]: But then we have words a lot, but if you want Max trailering as GM would say, then you usually do have to pay for the trailering package.
[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, the Maverick, even with our Max trailering package, towed 4,000, it's kind of right on that limit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a costume.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's only 4,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it makes a little bit more sense for that something like that that's towing right on the verge of what you need to trailer brake controller for.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anything above and beyond that, if your to rating is five, six, seven, eight, thousand pounds should have a brake controller.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'll give you another one that's not on the list.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is just, this is a personal one of mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: A Ford does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have these like really tall clunky antennas that they put on their trucks and some of their SUVs.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of the whip antennas.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing a lot of people do is they replace them with like either bullet-shaped short ones if you see those a little short, you're like, I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: But those those.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just threw a lot of those to find the OEM style whip antenna to put on my 94 RAM.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, who listens to AMRFM, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not that important, but here's the butt.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do kind of whip around when you're off-roading, especially if you're going through some trees, and they kind of whip around if you're on the highway, because they bend.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only good thing about those in my mind is that when you're pulling into a garage that's just a little too short, the antenna is the first thing that hits and lets you know that you might not fit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's at the top of the cab, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the other one that they do, which I kind of like are the little ones that they put on the shark fin.
[SPEAKER_02]: The shark fin, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the same problem, like, if you go into a car wash because they're not straight up, they're kind of bent backwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what happens when they're giant roller in the car wash goes,
[SPEAKER_02]: the other way, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When it goes backwards across the truck, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what happens when it goes forward, and it's at little antenna, it's sticking like... Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't go through a lot of those washes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've gone through them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always take that little antenna off just to be on the safe side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always worried about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's an expensive thing to replace.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, there was a big, uh, to do, uh, up at the in Washington because the manufacturer was going to take out a M and F and radio.
[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, I'm going to take their movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, uh, and so a lot of the Republican.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... folk got angry because a lot of aim most of them is now very conservative uh... and i remember i was uh... this is a while ago like ten years ago i was sitting having dinner uh... with the CEO of uh... was jeep at the time uh... gym Norson morson uh... and he he asked me uh... should we keep cd players in our jeeps and i was like i've listened to a cd like and yeah five years
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how they determine that like when when when when when when do they decide that like am radio is no longer?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they have actual like statistics where they listen to people or customers or do they just kind of like gym was like hey I don't know the team so that you get rid of it so should not
[SPEAKER_01]: When it's tough, because there is some useful information, some emergency broadcasts that go over AM, but the other tough thing on the flip side about AM is especially with a lot of electric vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has some unwanted interactions with the electronics.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's a more challenging thing to integrate into EVs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the last time I listened to AM.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I listened to AM when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I listened to this ghost hunter guy in Chicago, or if I go to bed he would go and he would hunt for ghosts in different haunted places in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, that was a really cool show, but I don't think I listened to AMs instead.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's an even echo.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just there's nothing there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even FM is dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, with Spotify and with Apple music, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You can pick your own music and get exactly what you want, and best of all not get commercials.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have to disagree with isn't it stealing down that says no static at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of static.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a pity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then the cutting thing I've noticed, because sometimes, you know, we don't keep vehicles very long and so we don't usually pay for a serious sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I do have to listen to FM, I've got like the hard rock stations programmed in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And oftentimes, one goes to commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all go to commercial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll like go from one station to another to another.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'll all be playing commercials.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very infuriating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a great experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they have a lot of budgets.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're music libraries pretty small too.
[SPEAKER_01]: They play the same music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same same for songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But number two on the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is number two?
[SPEAKER_01]: Get back to our list.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one.
[SPEAKER_01]: One that I've actually had people, even other journalists, ask me why, why I think this is a useful feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it might be slightly based on geography, but what we're talking about is the four auto setting on a lot of transfer cases, which is really useful here in Colorado, because all the time we'll get a snowstorm and then it'll warm up, that snow will start to melt.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in any shady spots, you'll still have patches of snow and ice, so you don't necessarily want to be into wheel drive, especially in a truck, because you've got no weight over the back tire, so anytime you hit one of those patches of ice, you're just not going to be doing anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on a lot of trucks, if you're locked into for high, you're going to be crabbing in a tight parking lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for auto settings are a really nice in between, and it'd be a really cool thing to see made more standard across more trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the other thing about that for auto is it doesn't seem to necessarily be based on like how much a truck cost, because we have our silver auto
[SPEAKER_02]: 2500 HD, which was a very expensive truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a $73,000 truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: No for auto.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas our GMC Canyon has for auto.
[SPEAKER_02]: And our Bronco has for auto.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand the logic of why some trucks have it and some trucks don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure there are certain applications that it's harder to engineer that into, but it's a really nice feature to have when you have it and on a lot of vehicles where it's an option, it's a couple hundred bucks that option.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that much more expensive to add on, but it is very convenient.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that we love having around.
[SPEAKER_02]: The $50,000 Bronco has it, but the $70,000 F-150.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, which is strange and it's not anything new.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been around for a long time like I love old GMT-800 You can't And the majority, this is you know anecdotally, but the majority of those old GMT-800s that I look at have Forato, which is awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a it's a great thing to have around
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't get to hate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cole, can you go back to the patrons, please, before we get to number one?
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of comments, and maybe you could read some of them, because I don't have my glasses on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, yeah, let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So also, Jonathan is adding to the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, the front ends of new trucks are way too low.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bumpers are too close to the ground, which I get.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fuel economy thing, an EPA rating, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there are some front ends of trucks with air dams that look like they'd have a hard time
[SPEAKER_02]: average speed bump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you have that warlock had a little deployable air dam.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you reach a certain speed, the air dam would actually extend down, would you improve the arrow of the truck?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, a lot of that was driven by cafe numbers and since cafe is kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: Crash them burn now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe all that stuff's gonna go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Andre hates when you've got that kind of weird stands where the back end is kind of up in the air and so the Mister truck, you know, it's a little.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got a lot of rake to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, which I get we did do a test and I figured the exact numbers, but we did a test.
[SPEAKER_01]: Removing one of those air dams and running an MPG.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did it with the forerter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, comparing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it a four-unner or Tacoma?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a limited that had the really big area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it Tacoma?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a Tacoma.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we did it as well with stubby our old single cab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've done it a couple times, but it didn't make a massive difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Granted, added up over tens of thousands of miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: it would be a difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't a night and day difference with them without.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the one thing I do remember is that we did lose the bolts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, did you have a lot of things?
[SPEAKER_02]: It happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two was like, he used to take off and so we did it and I'm like, we're the bolts.
[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any other comments on there we should address?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you also mentioned that he feels like trucks in the 90s had some more more front-end ground clearance, which definitely it depends on the truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on the model, something like those those limited four hours and two hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the great thing of like cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: have anywhere from let's say on the low and six inches of brown clearance to maybe if you got a Subaru up to almost ten inches.
[SPEAKER_02]: But most trucks have at least eight maybe nine inches of ground clearance.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just inherently trucks have a lot more ground clearance and a lot of that has to do with the tires.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the front end of it to come on limited.
[SPEAKER_02]: That air dam is as way down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of looks silly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks it looks like a snowplow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah And I bet on a heavy snow day here in Colorado it would it would push around some snow anything else Or is that is that pretty much it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's that's the majority.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thanks Jonathan for commenting all right number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is yours
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so these are bad shifter designs, not bad in that they don't work, but bad in that we don't like using them, so it's the push button shifters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll hand up, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a way from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A rotary dial shifter place right next to your volume knob.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to turn the music down and put your.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for this part, give you is the clears up, like...
[SPEAKER_02]: space, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have more space to have bigger cup holders, yada, yada, yada, but it also makes like especially like four or five point turns really painful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but once again, compared to a big old-school traditional column shift, it's going to be a simpler and cheaper mechanism to do some of those buttons or dials, then it will for a column mounted shifter.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the it's another thing that you use on the truck every single time you get it and drive it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, I was saying we just did this RAF4, and I can't talk about how it drives or any of the facts, but I can tell you from the previous launch that like the RAF4 now has two different shifters, there's like a more traditional one, you know, a big one, and then it's like this little stubby paddle on the limited.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, why the limit it has this little stubby paddle, or as the less expensive ones have a more traditional, you know, bulky kind of shift handle, I don't understand, but, you know, I think in that case, less is more, you know, I don't mean less money, I don't mean less paddle is more, I mean less money is more because you get traditional shift or there's just something very gratifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: about putting a car in shift where you don't push a button or don't squeeze a nipple or whatever the hell it is right it's just there's just something very gratifying especially the truck where you're actually moving the one thing that something very mechanical the one thing that always I hated or on the on the new electric challenger is they had a big shifter but it doesn't do anything
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it doesn't really give you that positive effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you're not happening any metal, you're just moving this piece of plastic through a piece of plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something they can create artificially.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could, but they tried with the sound and it didn't exactly work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're kind of running out of time, but we actually contacted Andre.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he had a couple of things that he wanted to add to the list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he's still a part of the podcast in a way and, um, yeah, hopefully in a couple of weeks, you'll get Andre back, because I'm sure that's what the people want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andre, thank you from, you know, on your vacation for actually sending in your annoying, uh, cost cutting piece.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what did he add to this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't heard these.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to be surprised just like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had a couple interesting things that he mentioned a few ways that truck lineups are structured really.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a little different from some of the things that we were talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that irritates him is that a lot of manufacturers are simplifying their truck lineups.
[SPEAKER_01]: to only the models that people buy the most in order to cut costs and manufacturing, but that means getting rid of some of the really base trucks like two-door trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of two-door single-capped trucks are going away, which granted, again, not as many people buy and so they're simplifying their lineup and simplifying manufacturing and cutting costs that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for those people that want a single-capped truck with a long bed,
[SPEAKER_01]: in a lot of vehicles, it's just not an option.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want a single cab truck with a truck, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the off road truck right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when the Raptor first came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we were, we were, you know, Johnson's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool, can you go to Johnson's website?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can find this truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very close to buying this truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were at mean time, we were flying down to do the RAF4 and we were kind of just at the airport waiting to be on the plane.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we decided to kind of hunt around for trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so do a search for GMC.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's GMC 2026 trucks, and there should be a two-door shortbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if we can pull it up, that I thought was super nice, and it wasn't actually that expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was $5,000 below MSR.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which model?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a Sierra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sierra.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a shortbed Sierra GMC.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 1500 or 1500?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's see if it comes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Bright red.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you show the pictures which if you're not on YouTube watching this we've got this little shorty truck Yeah pulled up so it's a four-wheel drive two-door GMC with a short bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it a good looking truck?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's interesting because it it seems a little more specced out than the average has got a multipro tailgate.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has some interesting spec on the inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: So multipro tailgate, it's a really interesting set of five thrusters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to the see if it's got wheel, see, look, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no fender liner.
[SPEAKER_02]: No fender liner is of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Classic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got the little forcelender.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting to
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know basically but it's got four auto and it's got four auto isn't that crazy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how much is this bad boy?
[UNKNOWN]: 44.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you think you know, I think it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like stubbing it actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's much nicer than our little single cab ram was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's got a bench seat up front.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a bench seat up front.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was tempted to buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's trucks like that are neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like single cab trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are still people out there that like single cab trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the kind of thing that we want Andre included to see maintained in truck lineups.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want them to cut costs by getting rid of those very base models that a lot of people actually want.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're in the comments, let us know if we should buy a stubby tube.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another stubby?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was like, oh, I hadn't even had a name for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two stubby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so close to picking up the phone and getting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You even came up with a name for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right on the verge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to take much.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is what do you do with it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we've never had that, we never had that force under, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We've never actually owned it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess not in those full-size, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we could find things to do with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did a bunch with stubby.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did so many videos with that truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we could do something similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know in the comments below if we should get a little stubby GMC.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other problem is we already have a GMC.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we like to spread around the fleet to ensure that, you know, we don't have a track from different brands.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't have a ram right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe what we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually because we have a lot of GM trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the Derma Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Canyon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got to make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we get that GMC, maybe what we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we trade the Derma Max for a comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You really want to come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got really wants to come in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about it yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really wants me to get that comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jonathan says go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, John.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all the convincing he needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it 44 or was it less?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was 44.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, was there any discounts?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the discounts brought it down to 40 or more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it still sounds like a lot, but, you know, I think our subges like 38.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a few years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can't expect that.
[SPEAKER_01]: 44 or 43.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a pretty cool truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that'll help us also trade out a GM truck for a comments, which would be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So another thing that Andre mentioned is a way that features on trucks are packaged together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, 100% understand where he's coming from with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is another way that manufacturers cut costs by packaging features together.
[SPEAKER_01]: They cut costs that way because there's less differences between trucks and how they're specced.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you lump a lot of things together, then it simplifies the lineup.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it's like?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like when you, I gave you a good analogy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was just at Sam's Club by Christmas candy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean Halloween can't be right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like when you have by Halloween candy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you want like a life like you just want the Reese's Cup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you got to get like the milk does with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: People know or the candy makers know that people want the Reese's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peanut butter cups, but they don't want at least for me the milk does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the Twix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or whatever the hell it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't order to get the Hershey's.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also have to get the red hot set.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so this is what the truck manufacturers do, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They know that you want four wheel drive, but in order to get four wheel drive, you have to get whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it both simplifies how many different skews, if you want to call it that how many different versions of the truck there are, but it also talks you into getting a more expensive package.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember being on a configurator a few years back, speccing out a Tacoma, and in order to get heated seats from the factory,
[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of a $7 or $8,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a time of tech package.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ford does that with the Raptor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That 801 package, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is eight grand, not grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which gets you everything you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, either you have everything you want or you have nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ford gets you the three things you want and 14 others that you don't care about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with Andre on that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he had one other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: and is one other is actually another really good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said lack of real analog speedo and tack gauges.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that I understand as well because we're definitely deep into the golden era of screens right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to call it a golden age,
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're everywhere, and they're replacing everything, and I do miss the times when we had actual mechanical Nicely made beautifully designed mechanical gauges analog gauges.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're gonna go back to analog gauges because I think we've gotten past a point of screens looking expensive
[SPEAKER_02]: I think now we're over that hump and screens just look cheap.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know the manufacturers, especially in the automotive world, a car world are trying to make him fancy by making him curve or, you know, hiding them somehow so that they come to life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen haptic controls on steering wheels in the outie that we had where you don't see them until they backlight themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think most people are getting to...
[SPEAKER_02]: to the point or to the realization that screens just look cheap and the other problem with screens is that you no longer have any kind of dashboard design because it's all screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just a slab of screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all it all looks the same, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could use screen this way or that way when I'm talking about it's more of a universal vertical.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just a screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so all the cool design has now gone away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I think like the latest Bugatti, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The tour beyond the tour beyond the car that no one would ever let us touch.
[SPEAKER_01]: But but that is a car that has real and and beautifully designed gauges or physical gauges.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even at the very very tip top of
[SPEAKER_01]: of the most expensive fanciest cars that you could buy are going in that direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that means to your point, maybe others will start to follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're kind of the, let's call it the thought leader in the car world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe others will follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's got this really expensive looking, uh, see, you can see it right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those are the things that we'll start with.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Turbion is a watch term, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it comes from the watch world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it makes sense that they made a very mechanical gauge cluster, which is, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, in the last few minutes that we had before we wrapped this up, you know what I was thinking about the last night actually, you know what I'm missing?
[SPEAKER_02]: And when it was happening, I was kind of like this is silly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I kind of miss it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You remember when like truck manufacturers would do specialty trucks based on like the other products that people were buying or using like a Harley-Davidson?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like an Eddie Bauer, remember that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of missed those days.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking, Yeah, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: The perfect mental level, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect Michigan manufacturer to have a truck brand, co-brand, whatever you will call it, be car hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that be great, like a car hard addition of a Silverado?
[SPEAKER_01]: People would love that car, it's super popular right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, you know, you've got brands that are working with companies like AEV.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's kind of a combination, but that's still a very automotive company to your point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while since I can think of seeing a truck around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe drop us a comment if you're watching this podcast on YouTube or some of the most recent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had some ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember like there's Harley, the old ones were there.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the Ford Eddie Bowers?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they were like Lincoln did a lot with like a little bean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who did an LL bean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Subaru, Subaru did all the things.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But back in the day, when I was young, Lincoln did a lot with designers.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a God-Brol edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like high-end designers.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's known the comments, but I can't think of them right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for trucks, I was thinking, another one might... My wife's sister's brother worked there for his entire career.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about a caterpillar?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that'd be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: People would love a truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people would love a truck with a with a caterpillar Yeah, that was easy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You made you truck yellow and black.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you tell your cats good steer You don't match it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why why they're not doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cole is pulling up though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, good, good, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good call.
[SPEAKER_02]: God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did a video on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had like four versions of this beyond 500 E your car by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our producer showing up right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's your car not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not that one exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a Gucci.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they had like four of those coal four different designers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's just that's just like not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so Italian.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the one with a fabric top.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got the Gucci stripes or whatever you call them on the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I don't think it works when you're trying to take what is basically a cheap runabouts.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a handsome car.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're so stylish and you're trying to like jazz it up by calling it, you know, like or maze or whatever the hell it is It works for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it I think it hurts both fiat and Gucci Well, they do this because it brings Gucci down and it certainly doesn't bring fiat off.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're in agreement.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an awesome design
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at that, you can get your own Gucci stripes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can make a fake one, maybe I'll turn mine into a Gucci.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, we have left the truck rolled in a big way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you a hot take.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna hate this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure I will.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're definitely gonna hate this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was coming back to the office the other day and I saw this old Ford.
[SPEAKER_02]: It must have been like a 70s Ford.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was driving down the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was driving kind of crooked.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know how that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where it's kind of crabbing and like the the panels were all rusted and falling off and it had the Had like the Indian blanket for the seed and people romanticized those things those are pretty crappy trucks Pretty miserable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean if it's been rolled down a hill and it's full of Full of holes and it's got no pain like done.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not
[SPEAKER_02]: But like Hollywood makes those trek like, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're gritty and you're, you know, salt of the earth if you drive one of those old like 70s for their shabby's, but they're pretty miserable to drive and live with.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not refined.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also the other thing about him was like, like, the wheels were like 15 feet into the body and they were like, you know, four inches wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just looks how they're supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like really silly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that looks any sillier than trucks that have wheels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, go the other way, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The roadside, yeah, three seat, feet outside of the fenders.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I said, Hollywood romanticizes those old trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the way of virtue signaling that the main character is salt of the earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they might be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's traditional values and I'm like, all he has is no money and a crappy truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like four gallons to the mile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's only one time my truck has been romanticized.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was Twitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was Twitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twitter is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me what your old truck is because you got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of second gen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think people know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or they better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second gen was really the hero of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go back and watch Twisters and tell me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It saves the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a nice power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, well, none of the trucks in the movie were Cummins powered because it messed with their audio quick and they were too loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: I filmed my trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what their problem was.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a good era for a ram.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this is what this is when they copied big truck design.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like a big, like a big semi truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: a bit since I watched this movie but I think at the end of the movie they jump out of the truck and they send it off into the storm with the with Dorothy the measuring equipment in the bed of it and that's how they map the inside of the tornado and so basically the truck sacrifices itself to save the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that how the whatever that guy's name is scale the tornado scale the the Fuji something scale?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh Fujiama what is that scale?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well I don't know these are the
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's tornadoes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look up the scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look up the way tornadoes are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, because F, like an F5F stands for something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think there was Japanese dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where was he at?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't think Twisters was a documentary to be fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you for joining us for another fun hour of talking trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, soon enough, Andre is going to be back in town.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll be back for one day before he flies back to Europe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a man on a mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's going to punch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then where should they go if they want to see all of our latest trick videos?
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be all TFL.com where you can find all of our videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you did an interesting video and when actually you're listening to this, I think the video won't be published yet or maybe it would have just been published and that is we have this long term Honda Passport.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in the studio here behind us and we were wondering does actually eco versus sport versus normal mode make a difference and so you ran the tumble We'd 50 to find out if you can actually get a bit of fuel economy by putting your crossover into normal versus sport versus I believe that video went up this morning as of the filming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of this that was when we had it on cool So it should be up by the time you're watching this podcast
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then thank you to all of our Patrons.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to help support this podcast or any of this stuff, you can be live with us when we record it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also put special videos up and you get videos first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is TFL Patrons slash TFL Car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see you next episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Altifl.com for everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ciao.