[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the other camera slanks, everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Super excited to be here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kefir?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yo.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've never really done a podcast like this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not one-on-one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's actually, it's really cool, because it's the first podcast that we're doing in the new office.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the new office, I'm not sure if you count, but we're...
[SPEAKER_00]: less than a week away from your five-year anniversary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, that's true, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are the 13th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Friday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually put into chat, should we see a bunch of questions?
[SPEAKER_00]: At first, I was like, oh, what podcast should I record today?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to see what it would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, you should record one about the Ukrainian episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, it's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was like, I'm also good at interviewing you, Kepher, and then I was like, wait, almost five years, and then I looked in your universities on Friday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was like, we should also talk about, kind of what?
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, like it's been like for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we asked you to come up with questions for both of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen yours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've seen the ones that I'm asking you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I mean, not all of them are great, but I just think it's a, you know, we're, we've now spent, gosh, I mean, I don't even know by the numbers how many trips we've gone on.
[SPEAKER_02]: it would be impossible to calculate, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be really hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many ways to structure what how we have a conversation, but these are just like thought starters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Little Q and A pod.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you go first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: What made you decide this story in Ukraine was worth doing, even with the risks?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you that question.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is there a similar one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I think when we decided to go to Ukraine, we were in a different office, but there was a globe there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we just kind of looked at the globe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember that day while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we wanted to go to Kazakhstan, but we realized it was too cold in April.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry, are you asking me the question?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just like, I'm thinking about what's your memory of it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so my memory of that is we were in our old office and like some of the criteria around it was where is somewhere that none of us have been before?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, because like a couple of these episodes of season, like we've been like, you know, individually we've been to these places.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I had been to Turkey, you know, like obviously we've all been to Colorado, but like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, none of us have been to Ukraine, none of us have been to Kazakhstan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like the first thought, you know, before we even like really looked at, you know, the globe and saw Ukraine sitting there right in front of our faces, we had this idea about going to Kazakhstan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when we had met a guy from Kazakhstan at 400 some in Toronto, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's also a big method of how episodes are kind of revealed to us is someone
[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, Iona, or yo, like red shirts at Wimbledon Commons, things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we had a guy in Kazakhstan, it was like the weather.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just, it's like, you know, the elevation is quite high.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it gets colder faster in that part of that part of Asia.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then like we just saw Ukraine sitting there right in front of us and we weren't sure at that point if golf was even even happening there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those things where like, you know, like we had to have like a real like
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, for lack of a better term come to Jesus, like moment, like there in the office is like, like right now, yes, that sounds great is it something that we're all willing to do given the risks of like going into like what is an active war zone and you know, I think we all came to the decision that like, you know, yes, we were we're all like fans of like war journalism and stuff like that in the stories that have been told in war zones.
[SPEAKER_02]: and to do that through the lens of golf is really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a season ago, we were trying to go to Afghanistan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember that?
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then the entire thing happened with the Taliban taking over the country and that became like not a reality, not like a possibility.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think when this came up, we were all psyched about it, we were just.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, I'm gonna ask you a question about, and there's so many good questions about the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I think while we're on the trips,
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we're together for every minute except for when we're sleeping or when you're getting be roll or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally going to shit or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like for the most part, we eat all of our meals together.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do all of our like, you know, like social activities together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously any time we're shooting, we're together.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what's interesting is I'd like to know, like, where our experience is different at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, obviously, like, there's a different dynamic due to like, what our roles are on the production.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, kind of like, you are having these conversations and you are finding these things out firsthand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's say like, in that regard, like, that is like a very different experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, from like hosting my own videos that like being the one behind the camera and being the one on the camera, it's very different experience when you make like, when you make videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as the experiences and themselves, I would say we had very similar experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just kind of like the mindset that we were in and the roles that we had on the production kind of like skewed that a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so disregarding the finished product, which, by the way, this dove tells into a question that came up on this trip, which was, you know, we did two episodes, and we were in three countries, which was Ukraine and Turkey, Turkey is a forthcoming episode, a country you've been to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we all spent two days in Poland, wanted to crack out one in Warsaw.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ignoring the finished product of the Ukraine film,
[SPEAKER_00]: What sort of setting or what sort of moment like sticks out to you like do you think about most often, you know, when you think back on it like what's the moment where you're like that that was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like during during the Ukraine portion or the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think like the first time it happened was the first day we were actually in Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we like we're in Poland.
[SPEAKER_02]: We travel across the border.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you would expect the answer to be crossing the border, it really wasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was when we were sitting there at dinner, speaking with Dennis, who's like the main character in this film, the person that we're following.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he starts to talk about, I think you asked a question of how soon did you go to war?
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever you signed up for the war, how soon you were out there, and he said immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got in a, we got in a car, we drove out to the front and you know, there was a very little training and then he was fighting that very same day, when you hear Dennis talk about like his experience of like day one and the more that's when it really got real for me and then, you know, marquee has one of the students came in and he was talking about like, if you are like out past curfew, you will get stopped and if you don't have the proper documentation, you will be a part of the work like they will.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, ship you off to the front lines, and that's whenever things got like really real for me because like, you know, when you're crossing the border, you feel the like the tension in the moment and you like understand like what's happening on the news and the reality of the conflict and Ukraine and Russia, but like you don't really understand it until you talk to somebody who's been directly affected by it, and that's, you know, that that really that really hit home for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was also something about that restaurant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really our first kind of moment of security and safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was quite cold outside, and we walked sort of a couple miles to this restaurant, which was a nice walk, I mean it was pleasant, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're shooting it and we're seeing the town.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in Ukraine for the first time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we got out of the bus or out of the truck, whatever, went upstairs, like eight minutes back downstairs cameras rolling bam, we're like in the episode after kind of, um, you know, I think all we did really was we flew into Crackow, we went to the hotel, we had dinner and and that's all preamble.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like tailgate, you know, and then all sudden bam, you we we we drove eight hours door opens game starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Dennis is right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't like I didn't know he was going to be right there at that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like when we hopped out of the van, you did realize that you'd be meeting, and I didn't laugh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wasn't ready, you know, and you'd be you're never ready, and then we, yeah, we walk sort of across town to this little restaurant, like right across from like a strip club.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the day, and then we go to, you know, this restaurant had like a casino like,
[SPEAKER_00]: entrance where you're kind of walking through all these different rooms and areas and all sudden you get to the back and here's our little table and it's like a greenhouse.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's plants everywhere and it feels like you're almost in like a really eastern part of L.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a a slavic rain forest cafe type situation, but not like the, not like kind of like the kitschy part of the more of the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there was like ambient, like sounds of like birds and plants everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a good one, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a very special one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very warm and, you know, there was food coming out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of my favorite things to do, you know, when we're traveling is to just sort of relinquish all, you know, control over the menu.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever that is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, it was like, you know, let's see what we got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was really pleasant, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think maybe there's a theme there as well where a lot of times we've been talking to Dennis for months over what's happened and getting to know him and understanding what the story may or may not be, knowing that we're probably going to pivot some version of when we're there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of times when we go shoot an episode, it could be that that first
[SPEAKER_02]: strike or whatever the first meet the first hand shake that those that group of hours is often times like if we were to reflect on all the other episodes like is the first moment typically one of the best I mean in a lot of cases absolutely I would say like what happens very frequently it frequently is the avenue that we want to take the angle that we want to pursue and creating this video happens very soon right yeah it's like well
[SPEAKER_02]: about something that we didn't know about, they didn't know they were going to mention, and then kind of like the entire episode takes a turn to like, you know, towards that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, we'll call them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jurassic Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hawaii.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, on some level that idea of that first meeting being powerful, it makes me think of golf in the sense of my favorite place on a golf course is the T-box.
[SPEAKER_00]: interesting because you're kind of milling about, you know, maybe there's a guy who knows the chorus, maybe there's a caddy, maybe there's a scorecard yardage book, you're looking at our coast, you're figuring out what's laying ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, on some level, on the T-boxes, on the T-boxes, you can make Eagle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the possibilities are endless on the T-boxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the T-boxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're you're betting on hitting the fairway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: You think you can hit the green.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think it's a fairway.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're thinking about a hole in one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think about opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: T-box is opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fairway for me is the opposite in some way.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: On some of them, I think that first, you know, a few hours of the adventures and golf shoot really is this like T-box moment where you're like, all right, what's the land?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know as much as I can know right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: but it's all irrelevant until I hit this shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's pretty eloquent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that, and I don't know if that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you know, like guy is saying less out of the fairway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm on the right side.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I got a harder shot in, and you know, or like, you know, we've had all sorts of experiences where
[SPEAKER_00]: you know we've uh... we've kind of gone to shoot an episode and that episode is dissolved in front of us in fact we had one uh... right before we were in Ukraine which is in Turkey yeah we thought we were going to go to capidoshia because there was a modified unique version of golf being played up there
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually funny that so much of an episode's pre-production happens just by Googling golf location.
[SPEAKER_02]: You Google golf cap edition, we're thinking about the regions in Turkey that we want to go to, you know, golf Istanbul, golf cap edition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we found this like extremely strange version of a golf called Field Golf, where it's like, you're hitting into a net, but you're hitting
[SPEAKER_02]: the hills of capidotion.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've ever seen capidoshits, the place in Turkey with all of the hot air balloons, like the strange like town, like natural formations, the towers, and they played this version of a golf called Field Golf, where they would just like hit it through the hills, and then the goal is to get it into the net, because the course changes every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time they go and do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it turns out that the service providers, you know, like, weren't doing it at that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, on the internet, you can Google it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there seems to be like a pretty big community of field golfers, but we were unable to play.
[SPEAKER_02]: it changed and we needed to we knew that we were going to go to Istanbul because the story about golf and Istanbul is like super interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we pivoted and we ended up going to Belek and that is like a
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that is like the golf region of Turkey, and it's just like in start contrast to Istanbul, and that's what made that interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes you can go into an episode with like X, Y, Z in your head, and then Y and Z are eliminated, due to circumstances.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like you have to replace them with some other letters.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we were in Turkey when we realized Capitoshu was no.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were in route.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were in route.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, um, I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, it's your turn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, it's like a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you prepare mentally to go film in a country at war?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you can, you know, I don't think we prepare ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't watch any, I don't try, I try to do as little research as possible, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't want to, you know, read prior articles with Dennis, I don't want to know too much about in this example, super humans, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've found that sometimes the dumbest questions are the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: that's interesting and very true.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sometimes the ones where you're like, I feel like people know this, but I'm just gonna ask anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many people have died?
[SPEAKER_00]: and he goes way more than you think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the number I could have googled.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I could have overlooked the fact or the figure, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these generally speaking, I find that episodes of Adventures of Golf are not really brought up around facts, most often it's feelings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even like,
[SPEAKER_00]: even Maui, right, like that was a crazy experience where, obviously, there are facts, but it's not, we're not news, and so where does journalism, if we're what we're doing is keep it called journalism, right, like where does that, you know, break from facts, it's more opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I really don't do much research, and I think part of that is like, even I'll
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, well, not really, I'm not really thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once we land and you feel, you smell, you hear where you are, that's why I feel like when the trip starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I will say nowadays with airlines, you're not even guaranteed to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean like there's like a there's like a 50% chance you get there and also a 50% chance that you're low gets you get there So I bags didn't make it to Turkey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, and it was like okay Not that it matters right, but the the goal of these episodes is we are confronted with the unknown right how could you prepare?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't, yeah, I mean, and that's, that's the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you can't be prepared.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I think that like, a lot of people when they like want to do storytelling in kind of like the same vein that we do, I think like the first mistake they make is just like getting too many of their like ducks in a row.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and just like they leave no room for kind of these magical moments that like,
[SPEAKER_02]: so consistently appear in the content that we make.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's if there's any advice I could give anybody storytelling, you know, storytelling in general, but especially in like the realm of golf is just like roughly planning something out and figure it out when you get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you I hope you heard this and you're going to get this in your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: This might be a tough question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you think back on our five years, we're going together.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the wildest day?
[SPEAKER_00]: The wildest day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are two that kind of like really like a pop-out in my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first one we were in shooting in Stockholm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the first like the first of like a few 24-hour days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because like we had kind of shot all day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to this party which leads us to like a tattoo parlour.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know Simon and I went to this club.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was called Underbroodin which literally translate to under the bridge and it's just this like crazy club under the bridge we we hang out and then Eric meets us at meets us at the club, you know, at this point it is three in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have to get on our bicycles, you know, and like we have traveled far, far, far on the other side of town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, he's blown to the hotel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't ditch him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't lose him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to give back to the go back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we, uh, we ride our bikes for an hour back to the hotel uphill uphill.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then.
[SPEAKER_02]: packing up the things that we have takes a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we need to be down here.
[SPEAKER_02]: In order to make the flight, we are heading to the airport to go to Frankfurt to shoot something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to be back here in 15 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's no if-ansored butts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was the most the sloppiest back job I've ever done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm confident I left chargers in the hotel room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And packing before a flight is an unusual master, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because someone's going to review your pack job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's like, in Europe, there's like weight limits that don't, you know, like, you're not pulling out a media pass for, you know, the airports I don't care, and Stockholm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's the first one that hit stands out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember we got to the airport, and it was also complete chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like crowded unlike any airport I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody was just had their mission was to make our morning the worst morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did not care that we were there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it actually started with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, remember when there was like, there was a come to Jesus.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had that day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that day started off too.
[SPEAKER_00]: We went swimming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like and I actually think this wasn't really a shoot day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean like we I think we were engineering a day off where we were supposed to go early.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I thought I was we were going to Ullins and we were supposed to go early, but I realized wait a minute We've got all this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why don't we why don't we use a day and stop call Yeah, and we shot a vlog.
[SPEAKER_02]: We shot a vlog.
[SPEAKER_00]: We shot a vlog.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and actually you know It's really funny about all this you're gonna love this
[SPEAKER_00]: your contact photo in my phone is from that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it the bicycle?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's you.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the bike that broke down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's you and we had these like weird little bikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hotel bike, something something broke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to like do a had to repair it right then and there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not letting me look at it like full view for some reason, but oh, that is so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's not even that wasn't even a shoot day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so wild a shoot day, but there's another day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean the though like wild in the sense, when we shot it walls he, I would say the
[SPEAKER_02]: Walsy was like one of the crazier ones, yeah, just because like we're facing technical issues like, you know, the drone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or the gimbal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Ronin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like vibrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: It like wouldn't balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was like it's last shoot, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we like tried to rebound our IP.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just it was just kind of like toast after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but uh, but yeah, like a.
[SPEAKER_02]: We end up like, it was like another late night and like that's something that like people don't realize.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, like we shoot until the sun goes down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's like a lot of things to repair and then we need to like DIT charge stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like getting to bed on these shoots is like, you know, usually like after one AM, you know, like minimum.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the next day I had to shoot a breaking series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was in San Andrews.
[SPEAKER_00]: God, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and not shoot a breaking series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be in the breaking series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're on this island off the northeastern coast of Scotland that is closer to Norway than it is Scotland.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have to
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, travel from there back to mainland Scotland, drive to St.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andrews, and then shoot, you know, like, what is like our biggest, you know, our most like logistical complicated production, which is the breaking series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, yeah, much harder to a breaking series than go to Walsy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're really enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, also probably more fun to go to Walsy.
[SPEAKER_01]: More fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, Walsy's, Walsy's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Walsy is a trip like when you get off when you go off the boat and you just start driving through and you're like heading to a walsy golf club You're like whoa.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, and like you know like I'm making these videos work in addition to like You know like things that like would blow people's minds like it's just like you know like somewhat normal because we like
[SPEAKER_02]: seen a lot like the closest thing that I can describe it to is like I remember like the first time seeing a nice golf course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that I remember that moment for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was like two weeks in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like almost five years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I had started playing golf very soon after started like you know like started working at random golf club and you know I had never been doing nice golf course before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had like I had you'd probably only played one or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd played Roy Kaiser and Jimmy Clay, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're two municipal golf courses in Austin, Texas.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're right next to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, on the same piece of property.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd played Butler, Pitch and Putt, and outside of that sphere, that's what I knew, kind of like, golf to be besides watching adventures and golf.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, and you can see nice golf courses on the internet, but it doesn't prepare you for when you're there and you're just a little bit of little things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my eyes kind of opened up to like, oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: like golf is crazy and now that I've been to like, you know, been to and played like a lot of like top 100 golf courses in the world, you're like all the all factor is just not the same, you know, like, you know, like for better or for worse, you know, like mostly for worse, like it's just like not going to be that just like that like eye opening experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I say all that say we're driving through Walsy and then it's just like, you know, the houses that we're passing, like the views, like, you know, like it's just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: it's incredible and you realize that you're somewhere special and I love when that little like tingle happens or I'm like oh okay this is this is somewhere sick and we get out to the golf course and you know Malzi is nasty yeah it's so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: The moment specifically I feel like we should tell the story we were it was I think it was you know
[SPEAKER_00]: You're, it was a couple weeks after we had met.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of find yourself on this adventures and golf shoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did three episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did, we did the Robert Trent Jones Trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did, you know, Portland, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great, Shabig.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, Shabig, and we did the Dunes Club.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we snapped on a little Tony Finan video in the middle there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really productive trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, everything must have blown your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the first location we go to is Ross Bridge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where, um, you know, we're filming an Avengers of Golf Episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's like the sixth hole on the first day, and you know, we're on plans uphill par four, and the green is really elevated, and you kind of can't see the cart path behind it, and this cart's driving around, and I obviously idea it pretty quickly as a beverage cart with filled with snacks and beverages that you can purchase, and do you remember your reaction?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I asked, like, so,
[SPEAKER_02]: We like flag the bev card down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We like get gatorades, we get chips.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I'm just saying there's like this is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then bev card drives away and hasky goes like, does this happen anywhere else?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that normal?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, every golf course dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every golf course.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, oh wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually ironically, it's more interesting when they don't have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have one of walls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know you're in a wild place when there's no beverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When there's no Bev car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like, you know, ever since then, my mind has just been progressively blown by my mind has been progressively blown by, you know, like what what golf is and what golf can be.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to ask you one.
[SPEAKER_02]: since you started all those years ago with episode one of the Adventures and Gov.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, how is my approach to filmmaking change since we started?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the beginning, I was really looking at it like a director or a cinematographer, and so I cared a lot about
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how we, you know, we go and capture the story, we interview the people, we construct the narrative, and then we sort of create this footage to sit on top of a lot of the interviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I cared a lot more about the craft, actually in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think now I care more about moving fast and you know, so it's like, I think in the beginning I wanted to make it because I was a documentary filmmaker like I would go in and like.
[SPEAKER_00]: My craft in the beginning was like, you know, what's the lighting?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the angle for the shot?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we going to ask and like, you know, um, you know, how are we going to remove as many unknowns from this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And leave here knowing that we have everything we want.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think now I want to make adventures of golf episodes more like, and really all of our documentary films, more like, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Bourdain, AI, Power, Documentary, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's this footage of him in Japan on the first shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, hey, I'm not doing this again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, keep up with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep it fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't want to have to inauthentically experience something a second time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's actually what I've seen to work the best is like, obviously people care about beautiful imagery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously people care about it, great interesting story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest thing that's changed is that I'm not a filmmaker anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just a person experiencing something and I want it to be as real as possible as we go through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so one of the things that we try to do, which is a bit strange, I don't want to interact with anybody unless we're filming.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we show up and meet somebody and we're not filming, I have a deep sense of frustration and discomfort because that is a big moment and whether or not it makes it to the edit is regardless.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's really like there's going to be a question exchanged in the first five minutes which is going to tell us a lot about who that person is or where I'm at and it could be something as simple as maybe Dennis would have asked me how was your flight and winked at me because there is no flight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like those little nuggets that like, it's like, I wish we were rolling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it happens all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have moments where, you know, I remember, we were somewhere recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were shooting something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, the New York episode has an ending where I go to my old restaurant that used to work at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, like, I went in like a dumbass without a camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which was polite.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we quickly come out and look, guys, come in, we got a chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that's really the biggest thing that's changed is that it's not so much, I guess in the beginning I was worried with how I was holding the camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was more camera-focused.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm much more like subject-focused, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've come to realize that the subject
[SPEAKER_00]: for whatever reason is me experiencing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I never wanted to be on camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a strange thing to, you know, grow into or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me now, it's much more about, like I want that camera as close to this as possible because I want to experience it and it doesn't need to be perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: right like it's okay if it's out of focus I mean how I watch the gladator last night there's a full scene where fucking Russell Crowe's face is buzzed out of focus you know what I mean but it's a close up but it's not sharp yeah and you know the cinematographer and the filmmakers and the producers are all like oh no we give it a shit
[SPEAKER_00]: When they're watching, at the end of the day, what they want is they want to see people overcome obstacles or whatever, whatever the five themes of content are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like at the end of the day, like I feel like people come to random golf clubs to get educated, entertained, or inspired.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ideally all three, that's way more important than any type of monitor or lens or we used to use complicated lenses.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like, I just want a system that allows, if we're excited,
[SPEAKER_00]: the camera's got to be on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that's the biggest thing that's changed for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Priority number one is just capturing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could still like, I mean, there's people are accustomed to such a, I mean, I've changed way less than the entire landscape of content has in the last 10 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've probably changed very little compared to, like, TikTok wasn't a thing, you know, Snapchat, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when Adventures and Gulf started, short form wasn't a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we would never ever, for the first several years, we didn't record the podcast, because there was nothing to record it for.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no, no one was doing video podcasts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now this will get cut into like four reels that'll hopefully get 500,000 views each.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: That whole concept is just completely changed for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, I'm sure like, used to when you would interview people, when you'd talk to people, you would prime them, you would talk to them and figure out what's going to be interesting and what can I ask?
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, we're going to talk about this again, so say exactly how you said it, and now that's not the case, you're just like, you know, just need to be in the moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's to be rolling, so he makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good is better than great, or good is better than perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like like it's funny because I was like watching the behind the scenes of Gladiator last night obviously I just watched Gladiator so like and then I watched the behind the scenes of it And it's like sick, but they're talking about Ridley Scott and how normally a movie will have three cameras And the A. B. and the C and they're all tightly prescripted Right, they know exactly what action they're getting and they're one's a wide one's a tight, you know They're moving around and then there's a fourth camera and usually the fourth camera is get whatever you want Oh, interesting not for Ridley Scott
[SPEAKER_00]: The fourth camera Ridley Scott also tightly prescribes, and they described this moment where they're in Germany, which was shot in England, and it's like rainy and muddy, and they cleared this forest, and you know, they have this, the producers talk about Ridley Scott, and there's this footage of him with this like scope, you know, which frames up different focal lengths for him as a movie camera would, and he's like lying down in the mud, to get a shot for the fourth camera, and he's like, I wanted to be like this, I'm like, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a different craft than I admire it, but he's obviously using film.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every second cost of $1,000 or whatever, whereas for us it's like, you know, throw a GoPro on the reverse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that it's the overarching, you know, God for us is like capture, get it, get it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the things we talked about in Turkey was kind of interesting, which was this idea of like, do we make the film?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we live this life to have the experience of it or for the product?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because there is a world now where people will go to a waterfall to grab a photo.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sort of the more important thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess you could argue that we're experts in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are we?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you could...
[SPEAKER_00]: What pulls you and what keeps you going is it looking at the film on YouTube finished and getting comments back that people say about Whatever video you're in or whatever video we've created together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you remember when you watched your crane, which shots were yours?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you remember of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at the entire episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like I was holding the camera there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know I want you to say I have no idea because I because I'm really only trying to look at the guy or whatever and And
[SPEAKER_00]: So for you, like, is it the finished film that is the gold, so to speak?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it the experience of having gone?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if the episode was never even created, would you still find value in that work?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I mean, I definitely hold both in pretty high regard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I love seeing a project from like, you know, conception to like, through post and seeing it online and
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, you know, kind of like seeing people like experience the experiences we had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I love that, um, I think that what really draws me to kind of like the role that I'm in and like the job that I have is the experiences that I get while I'm there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I would say like that's probably to me, like selfishly, that's probably the like most important thing is kind of like the experiences that we have whenever we're like on the road and we're shooting these videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, I mean, like it's a tough question and like the answer is both, but like, you know, if I had to like four go one and just like, you know, like, If I had to like travel and do the work and record all this stuff and never get to see it manifest, never get any feedback, never watch the finished project product.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would still go and shoot, you know, and that's that's honest to go on answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the way I think about it is like, I very rarely experience a lot of satisfaction watching the films.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rarely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times I watch it, and I wish it was different.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are, like for example, in the Ukraine episode, we never said that Liveiv is called Little Vienna.
[SPEAKER_00]: That annoys me because it was important to explain that this is very different from Kev and all the other Eastern towns that are more Russian.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also annoying to me that the woman at super humans had a Russian accent and that's because she speaks Russian as do a lot of Ukrainians on the east side of the country.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm annoyed that we didn't say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's actually what I noticed more than anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting is is the little pieces of voice over that should have been added that I didn't think about until I saw it all together and you know, whatever and then it's just for every episode we do Every episode of like fuck like there was a thing that didn't make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so for me like just like in golf like I like the T box
[SPEAKER_00]: with filming I just like the experience and the and your favorite day the wildest day was a day where wasn't even about the cameras you know like and and there are moments like even you know like
[SPEAKER_00]: wherever we go, right, like breaking banden, nylon eyewitness swimming in the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, or, you know, like the swimming moments, those are never on camera, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, not for any reason, it's just like, it's those moments where like yoga and Warsaw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, those never make it in the cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, there's something like very,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something satisfying about like having these experiences where there is no camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the camera certainly adds a dimension that takes away from the pure satisfaction and joy of those moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder, I'm really into military movies and military content spies, any army.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if a soldier,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know the question was what keeps you going it is the soldier motivated by the war by the goal of winning or or by the experience of being part of a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure like the like on the outset like the reason that they're there is this big like pie in the sky idea, but like kind of like what keeps them moving and what keeps them going is the camaraderie with the people in their immediate team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure I go like just like that outlook changes by rank, but like the people that are in it, the like kind of infantry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be surprised if like you know that's what they're doing it for is like they're
[SPEAKER_02]: brothers that are right there with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And on some level, you know, we have this, like you referred to like, you know, you go to bed late, you wake up early, we don't talk about jail like there's no opportunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you are either awake or you're asleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all there is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't struggle to fall asleep because
[SPEAKER_00]: we're frequently exhausted, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is this kind of like, you know, bigger vision, which is like, you know, it's almost like, it's almost like when you were a kid, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like, I don't know the games that you played as a kid, but it was like, you know, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's go build this jump in the woods for the bike, you know, and it was all about that Like it was like get the who's got the shovel, you know, we're gonna to move the dirt here You know, and then you jump over it, but it's like was it was it was a more fun building the jump or was it more fun riding over it?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the times it's the it's the teamwork building the jump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so funny, you know, because like You know, I
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I talked to this guy once in California where I used to live, and he made a coffee shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I loved this coffee shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a great coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a really beautiful space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone was really nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very home.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a different atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_00]: You felt like you were on cheers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I met the owner finally.
[SPEAKER_00]: After being there 10 times, then I said, man, I just got to say I love this place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, oh yeah, well, you guys are the new place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a place going up across town.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really excited about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, huh, he didn't even care about the place that I'm in love with.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's on to the next.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so on some level, Ukraine is now October.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were there in April.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like so much life has passed between then that it's almost like, uh, you know, oh, yeah, like Ukraine's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like,
[SPEAKER_00]: this is happening now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The joy is being there, smelling it, you know, you're alive when the camera's not rolling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to the experiences that we've had, sometimes that's almost like the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because I think we also do a really good job of, um, you know, creating value around the time where we're not recording and like still experiencing things that just wouldn't make it into an episode, but, you know, we still want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually on the shoulders, once we've wrapped wrapped, it's like, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now what, you know, I've actually been traveling a lot this year alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is everything for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: not just like around the United States like talking to people and stuff and like playing golf and and you know not having it's weird it was weird for me in the beginning to be in the airport alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we so often go to the airport and we have like I know you like to go to Taco Dally, we all fill up each other's water bottles at one point you know like whatever like someone's on a call you know and and that's uh it's an interesting
[SPEAKER_00]: change up for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do love the ritualization of things like the airport and things when we're traveling together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And stuff like that is just like, we do this the exact same way because we've always done this the exact same way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it has nothing to do with the creative process, but everything about everything to do with the logistical travel stuff, there's comfort in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't really thought about that, but that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I have like one banger final question for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the most frustrating thing about working with me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, like what it is, I think it's like, I think it probably has to do, you know, it's like one of those like catch-22s that like, you know, like it's part of like what makes the, the like products great and like give us these like opportunities that we wouldn't normally have narratively.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think like the only like really frustrating thing is like if we were we set out to do X, Y, Z, and then we change X, Y, Z, like we scrambled all together and we like do like something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this is resulted in some really great things and it's like resulted in some bad things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I would say like the one that stands out in my mind is
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like kind of we were talking about the Stockholm story earlier about like, you know, like taking that travel day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We planned to go directly to Ullins and we landed in the Stockholm airport and you're like, we should just stay here for the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should just like, get a car, like just go hang out in Stockholm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will be a blast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will be like a great time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those are some of my favorite memories of us working together, is that day?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we had a blast, and we don't normally bake in full, like, do whatever day's.
[SPEAKER_02]: And still, we pulled the camera out.
[SPEAKER_02]: We made a vlog, but like a portion of a vlog.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like that had nothing, we had nothing to do that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were supposed to be traveling to Ullins and getting prepped for the episode of AIG.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I remember like there was a level of frustration there because I was like oh man like we're just not gonna be prepped for the shoot of duels like there was like we were supposed to do this and that and like I would say like that's if like you can call it frustration that's probably what it is is like the last minute change of plans to do something else you know and like and there are times when I'm sure it's like hasn't worked out for us but yeah but like the the moments that
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I would imagine that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to Stockholm and we had a six hour seven hour layover Before we fully knew it was the tool and as long as like guys This is it's booked the flight if it's not an hour layover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just take what's making it 24 hour layover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah Sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I mean nothing to be sorry about like I said like that was
[SPEAKER_02]: that was just an amazing portion of the trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I've gotten that before the last minute kind of changes or the changing your mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just seem to think about, I think that's, I think that points to one thing that I really think about in life is like, I think one of the values, I guess, maybe that I hold most dearly is the ability to change our mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not gonna be stubborn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know to me and like, um, you know, um, but that does result in a lot of change in your mind, you know, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I like respect that not being beholden to one like idea, you know, like so many people are just so like so worried about being consistent on like who they are as a person and like
[SPEAKER_02]: the ideas that they have that I think it's like, you know, it's admirable there, like, you know, you have the willingness to like change your mind about anything and everything, including plans and logistics.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never want to play golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I never want to play golf, I never want to be on camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so ironic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: You go last one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the most frustrating thing about where it and I'm just getting
[SPEAKER_01]: Chets me to just engineers this like crazy chaotic interview.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, um, if you could redo one scene, there's going to be two more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to ask this one and then we can move on.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you could redo one scene or line in the film, what would you change?
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I know you already like answered a couple, but thinking back to like, what was in there, not like, what wasn't in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: From Ukraine, what's in there that I would change?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not like add that it's like little Vienna or whatever, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a shot in the first third of the film where we first drive by the small town with the memorials.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a shot held too long on my face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, you know, you remember they lay out the cars here, the memorials here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Camera was here looking through one of the memorials and it just lingered on my face for two of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, I don't like having the camera on my face, especially in a moment like that where it's like this isn't really about me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could have achieved that shock had been achieved over the shoulder or from behind in reverse.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that shot I saw in the edit and I was like, I hate that shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is my last question.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was the most surreal or human moment of the trip for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: this most surreal or human moment of the Ukraine trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you kind of like, you asked me earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget exactly how the question was worded, but like, when did the trip get real for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was wondering, like, kind of like, when did the trip get real for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, was like, what was the, you know, what was the most, like, surreal moment or human moment for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the most emotional moment was when we were looking at the,
[SPEAKER_00]: patches in super humans, and I just pointed at one, and I was like, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dennis is like, it means if you save one life, you save the whole world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was like, it just like hit me sideways, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: that was really, really intense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw in a comment someone mentioned that that's actually from the Quran.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it would make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it was, you know, when we got into super humans and we started speaking to people who had like loss limbs from, you know, they're, they're time in the war like stepping on mines or,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, other explosions or something like that and like I'm not surprised that both of our moments are kind of like superhuman moments because that's when That's when you know like you start to like visually see the kind of like impacts of the complex yeah and that region of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's also kind of played down but in the edit how the
[SPEAKER_00]: shelves could lower and rise for people who are in wheelchair like I've never occurred to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That you need the shelf to lower for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The removance in there that were quite real, quite sobering up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my question for you is, without being too general, coming up on your five-year anniversary, being here like,
[SPEAKER_00]: What's, obviously, your father now, it's very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you have a very different look at golf, very different look at filmmaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: What sticks out to you is the most like philosophical thing that's changed in your approach to life that may have come from an experience that we've, you know, philosophical.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think all the time about how lucky I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've had the thought in my head just how many people are watching our content and watching what we do and think about how much they would give up to be in the position that I am doing what I'm doing for living.
[SPEAKER_02]: I try and remind myself of that all the time, so I don't take it for granted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody told me this, and I think about it all the time that
[SPEAKER_02]: Life is not about happiness, like the purpose of life is not being happy because like being happy like doesn't exist like you know you're in constant states of like You know happiness sadness, joy, rage, whatever Life is about fulfillment and I think that this job, you know like the five years that have been at random golf club kind of like
[SPEAKER_02]: exemplifies that for me and just, you know, like, it always reminds me that, you know, life is about, like, doing something that fulfills me and I just like, you know, going back to the luck thing, like, I just feel extremely lucky that I can, you know, I can constantly experience fulfillment, which is, you know, the ultimate goal, so it's a great answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really, yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Apple podcasts does it, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be doing more episodes as adventures and golf progresses this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, thanks for being on the journey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening.
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