[SPEAKER_00]: this is the jockel underground podcast number 185 sitting here with echo Charles you all have sent us some questions from the field and we will provide you with some guidance, some recommendations, some answers or at a minimum some possible courses of actions that you can follow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm high school principal, I spent the last decade working towards being the best version of myself, reading, lifting, training, and eliminating most anything that is not productive to my quest to achieve personal excellence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where I struggle as a leader is watching others around me.
[SPEAKER_01]: be okay with mediocrity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their lack of desire to improve daily fuels me to be the best, the very best I can be, but frustrates me that I see so much more in them than they see in themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: To continue to keep my foot on the gas and an effort to influence them, to see they are just floating through life, or do I accept that 10% of my staff
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to fall short on my expectations of them and the true potential they have as educators and leaders in my school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep the red designs coming for the short locker-dees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says that a 10% of his staff is about 10 to 12 people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to reality this is this is a reality right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a there's a bell curve There's bell curve in the world there's a bell curve in any organization you got your top performer Filmers you got like that top 10% of the top performers and then you got the whole big middle area of the bell curve And they you know there's people that are like do a little bit better and in the middle of the bell curve And people that do a little bit worse in the middle of the bell curve and then there's a bottom 10%
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just the way it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone thinks like in the most elite places that no, in a seal platoon, there's a bell curve.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a seal team, there's a bell curve.
[SPEAKER_00]: In any organization, there's a bell curve.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got some front running, pipe hitters at the top end that are crushing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the middle people that are doing their job.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's varying levels, and then you've got some turds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what should you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, first of all, your question is, do I continue to keep my foot on the gas?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, in an effort to influence them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, to see they're floating through life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't affect the way you're getting after it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think you're good there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep getting after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would invest, you know, investing the top performers, you know, how much can you help them?
[SPEAKER_00]: How can you help them grow even more because they're getting after it?
[SPEAKER_00]: How can you make the middle performers into top performers?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't, you know, I'm not going to abandon the bottom 10%, I just don't write them off and never think about them again.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I recognize that, okay, I'll check in with them, you know, once a quarter.
[SPEAKER_00]: once a quarter.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe hey, you still, you're still good to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, did you want to, did you want to, you know, think about that, you know, running that thing for the school council or whatever?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just extra collateral due to, do you get paid for it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, you know, get paid, but it's going to give you some good experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe after three years, you go, hey, you want to run that little student council thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no pay for it, as you know, but other teachers, you know, taking over this other projects, if you want to do it, and maybe in three years, they go, yeah, you know, I wouldn't mind doing that, you know, so you don't abandon them, checking with them periodically, but you also can't like expend a bunch of energy trying to get them to freaking get on board with being like a better performer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're getting their paycheck, this happens in every industry, every industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: These people they just collect your paycheck and they don't really care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way the world is Also don't get frustrated about this like You can't get frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just just the way people are the phase of their life You can ask them earn as questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can try and influence them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, you can't go wood.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to be a loser No, don't we like a lot of freaking losers screw you the principal socks.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: You build a relationship with them
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell this boy us down to build a relationship with them trust us in respect, influence, and care And if you do that and you ask honest questions, earnest questions Well, where do you think you're gonna be in 10 years?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not an honest question It's like hey, you you you you you you love teaching in the classroom So much that that's kind of what you want to do For your whole career and they might say yeah, actually it is and you go okay cool and they might say well
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then three weeks later, or three months later, they go, you know, you asked me if I always wanted to be in the classroom, I was thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do, but I think I want to do it at, you know, I think I want to eventually get to become an college professor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so you got to go take some more classes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you go, you know, all of a sudden, you got, you know, so do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you best to help the people out, but don't overinvest in them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what I got.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is life.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the way people are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and don't let them uninspire you to keep getting after and keep setting an awesome example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Build relationships with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cross the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like you do a good job of in these situations because I see, you know, you can kind of see it, not, you know, or you, I think I do anyway, but you do, it comes off to me that you do a good job of not judging people who are like, not perform, you know, not getting after it as hard as maybe the next area, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't, bro, because people are interested in different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, you know, what's the one man trash and another man's treasure?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one man's triumph is another person's like, we don't give a shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever told someone like, I'm a jiu-jitsu black belt?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, no, I don't think it's like what is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're in their mind, they're literally thinking karate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're thinking Rex Kondo, they're like whatever dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my eight-year-old son is a black belt too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're like, oh yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: My nine-year-old just got his black belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the same now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, it's true that with everything, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I spent 20 years in the military.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I wrote some books.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I wrote a New York Times best seller.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't care, you know, so when someone is not interested in stuff that I'm interested in, it doesn't, like, I, I, I, 100% expect that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anything that I've done is like, oh, what the hell?
[SPEAKER_00]: Look what I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you can't help it, because I've been in a situation where I'm actually pretty recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I barely can't have a black belt, I wrote books.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have anything, I don't really care.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've been in a situation on the other side of things where I'm like, bro, it's not that serious, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can tell like this person's really into what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and it's just right on the front of my mind as if this my feeling was like, bro, life is way bigger than this thing, you know, kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is that can be true for anything, even if you're at work, literally at work.
[SPEAKER_01]: what you do for a quote unquote living.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's more life than this job and a lot of people are in a position and just their opinion of life.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're approach to life.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's more life than just freaking like making sure you got this report.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know, so actually I'm going to like I'm the opposite of you there because I'm kind of like do that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: good job on.
[SPEAKER_00]: When someone's really into what they're doing, whatever it is, I'm kind of stoked for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and again, I'm not saying that part isn't the part I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying if someone's too into it and having this expectation on to you that you should be into it the same way I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you'll have a big disconnect there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not constructive, you know, so don't be that person in a judgmental way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems saying, hey, be fired up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, all day.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but don't be like, hey, you should be in my lane too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not like, I'm angry.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't beef.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we got beef, you know, seems like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all kinds of, you know, that's good.
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