[SPEAKER_04]: I got stuff for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Holy moly, I need to get some snakes and release them around my house.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I love eat people.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love eat kids.
[SPEAKER_08]: These guys are the scientists of the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_08]: Lecturers leaving lessons for inquiring laymen.
[SPEAKER_08]: They are applying the scientific myth that do a world that baffle signs.
[SPEAKER_08]: They are the cryptids of the corn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every day, the European
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more convinced you're the clients.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just stood up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just kept coming on and going.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she goes, what the... These are idiots.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was laughing reading this, because I already knew how you would feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Idiot!
[SPEAKER_03]: What is this story?
[SPEAKER_03]: It fits your balloon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this isn't a UFO.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he also has big black wings and red eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Batman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, mach man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, mach man.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, everyone, I think we know it's sad.
[SPEAKER_07]: Clean water is, so say it all with me.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was a standstill crane.
[SPEAKER_04]: Would you try it?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you wouldn't need it.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, why?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because they're probably toxic.
[SPEAKER_01]: There'd be a lot of poop in my face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a six-foot alligator go swimming through the air and slam into a tree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to Cryptids of the CornPodcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's episode two.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am the great entire mystery.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm Jay, clone 50.
[SPEAKER_05]: Number fifty five zero really big show.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about the kiddrick swamp what's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: How?
[SPEAKER_03]: Heffa Lemms and Losels, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was that what it was?
[SPEAKER_05]: What's that from?
[SPEAKER_03]: Winnie the Poo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember it was elephant and Losels, but it was Heffa Lemms and Losels that were always trying to get honey.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't not not I'll follow you up on my way to the pool or I know Christopher Robin.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh Christopher Robin Oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh anyways, so this is from Adam Benedict.
[SPEAKER_03]: Check out his books Monsters in print goes to print uh and oddities in print
[SPEAKER_03]: Great books great books, but he didn't article about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's not much information on it and he'd pretty much had already collected all of it So if you're new into the show Wednesdays, we like to do the ones of the unheard of the ones we don't really have a lot of information on Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: The ones you really can't make an hour out of, but we still want to talk about So this is when I've seen and I didn't know anything about but like I've seen it on like metasu cards and in some art Okay stuff like that metasu is always doing the the deep dive one on cryptids
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, there's not a lot on this, but yeah, so we're going to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an example of a weird thing starts happening in location A and miles away in location B. Something weird also starts happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rather than take the kind of go thoroughly, investigate each occurrence of the same amount of time and energy, it's easier for the media and amateur researchers to kind of lump all of these in as one thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever you're looking into this and Adam already did all this research for us, it kind of makes it hard to see what the what's it actually is because they make the, it was counts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two things kind of happening at the same time and they close enough.
[SPEAKER_05]: They lump them into one experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, there's not much doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or it didn't exist at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It may be the point of wrongly categorizing to nobody, even it addresses the error.
[SPEAKER_03]: The name of the creature isn't even consistent.
[SPEAKER_03]: The witness in Boyer's book, which noted as being a US force service employee, refers to its name that he made up, but also states that others were more likely to be calling it something different each time they've seen it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the the kid Rick Swamp what's it was coined by one of Boyer's books.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I wouldn't this park Ranger talking about this creature, but he was even the park Ranger said that he had heard other creatures being seen there with different names.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, gotcha.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's just a lot of confusion around this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's already a little muddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, what adds to this confusion in the difficulty and researching the classic monster fashion, the Kendrick swamp, what's it appears to look different to everybody who sees it in the swampy wetland.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some woodsmen who have claimed to see this thing, port that it looks somewhat like a llama or an alpaca.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so long neck, big ears, that kind of deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but has much more
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I'll be a weird swamploma, but a long neck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I guess you said llama sorry llama alpaca long red hair like that $50 one at the auction $50 one remember that one that one llama went for $50 bucks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was a lot more of a pack.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a llama.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were too long as yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was an adult and a Wouldn't there a young one, too?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's anybody rich.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wanted the other color.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't want the red one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I remember for like 350 bucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't want one for 50 bucks.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was nuts.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was that was wild a small animal options if you guys do not go to them at home.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would We're just yeah, I would I would never know what you see.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's like a water buffalo a baby water I just in the herd of water buffalo's past week and really yeah, we have another problem
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, they say it moves quickly on four legs, stomping to stand tall in its soggy swampy home, uh, below the long grass surrounding it before it takes back off into the tall trees to make it with the board of the swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, other witnesses claim to let's it claim to appear and resemble a creature across between a possum and an alligator.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's a bit different than, uh, than a llama.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just a bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: a possum alligator, but where's the neck or the long legs or any of it, it doesn't anything like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it moves around on four small feet close to the ground and slinks between the shrubs and fallen trees and its swamp, but moves much more like an alligator when other people see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yet again, it is said to be covered in red fur, but this time it appears possessed some horns on its head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Finally, there's even more bizarre descriptions of the What's It, where it says it looks a lot like a creature that has already been described in two bizarre ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine a full-sized hippo, slowly lumbering along through the forest.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now imagine a large, less gox walking alongside the opposite direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: When the two giants meet head to head in the middle of the swamp, they merge together and form one extremely large abomination, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: What you have just created in your mind is what one witness claim the what's it actually looks like.
[SPEAKER_05]: whatever this a bomb.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a swamp llama.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a possum gator.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we have a, uh, uh, uh, well, then we have a redford or sorry, a redford horn creature.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we have a hippo muscox merged.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I can typically jump on board with any kind of weird cryptid discreet, you know, just our descriptions at this point, but even Adam here says he has a difficult time accepting a giant hippo ox lumber going around a 40 acres or 40,000 acres swamp in northern Wisconsin.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it gets me even more than just that is the merging that they witnessed.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't witness that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were saying imagine that in your head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he's just as he was trying to paint in a picture understood now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, at least the, at least the llama are the hippo, uh, what do you say?
[SPEAKER_05]: Otter combo or muskock, what do you say muskock's hippo combo?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, muskocks.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking musk rat.
[SPEAKER_03]: The big goat.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, muskocks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a big muskock's big around one.
[SPEAKER_03]: How much do you think a muscox way is compared to a hippo?
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot less.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just figured muscox is like six, seven hundred pounds my way off.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're exactly on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: A full grown muscox between six and seven hundred per cent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you serious?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's really weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: A full grown hippo is normally between two and three thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: But males can reach four to five thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's hippos are significantly bigger.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, about four times, three times, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, at least that's close enough.
[SPEAKER_05]: The height wise to a llama doesn't have the neck or nothing, but it's not all crawling around with the rumbling.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's belly on the ground like an alligator would.
[SPEAKER_05]: Or even a possum does.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do get possums in, yeah, it's I don't have that long legs.
[SPEAKER_05]: A pretty short.
[SPEAKER_03]: very different though so you have a extremely different creatures being seen in the kidrick swamp right and was constant but that's kind of your core group so i don't even know like this like i said there's not a lot to this and Adam you know he compiled more than i'd seen anywhere else so that's why we're using Adams work and we've used Adams work before but please check out his books yes please Adam Benedict just all of his books google Adam Benedict but uh the pine bearing institute you can get
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so although some individuals believe they have seen the what's it in Kidrick Swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, this thing was created by reaching into a grab bag of random creature parts, pulling out the weirdest ones and smashing them together and whatever order you wanted.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what did the witness who interviewed for the book?
[SPEAKER_03]: What did he see?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the description he gave was pretty much in line with what everybody else sees.
[SPEAKER_03]: He saw something very weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but the difference between the witness in Boyer's book and other individuals who had claimed to see the thing, he had encounter only one fully recorded written form.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was from a person named Peyton, no last name given.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: The US Forest Service employee who spoke to Dennis Boyer for his book stated that he'd been personally collecting stories of strange creatures for upwards of 20 plus years.
[SPEAKER_03]: and he had been able to come across various newspaper articles regarding the creature, and even a few accounts of lumbermen speaking of the beast back when Wisconsin was still in its logging prime.
[SPEAKER_03]: He spoke about how, when he first heard about it, he believed that it was probably nothing more than an escape exotic to animal from a nearby circus or carnival.
[SPEAKER_03]: But after looking into its possibilities more, he started to think the stories involved a strange creature went back further than he originally thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roughly, at the time, before traveling services were even coming to Wisconsin.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he continued to research, speaking to members of local Native American tribes and hunters who had caught glimpses of weird things running through the woods in the swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: After each talk of these individuals, he felt no close to figuring out what the what's it actually was.
[SPEAKER_03]: that one day while on the swamp, he had his own sighting finally.
[SPEAKER_03]: While walking to the wetland part of the Forest Service duties, Peyton caught sight of something moving quickly through the shadowy area of the swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: Intrigued by the odd shape of the thing, the forest and play turned his attention to the general location in which he had moved and focused on hoping to catch a glimpse of it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And surprisingly after a few minutes, he actually did.
[SPEAKER_03]: The man-washer's creature that was about the size of a large dog, quickly moved into his line of sight on behind some shrubbery, and into a wall of trees bordering the swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: The strange creature, he states, was covered in a good amount of reddish brown furb that was hanging very low in places, almost dragging on the wet ground underneath it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He saw what appeared to be some sort of horn growing out of its head, and it looked
[SPEAKER_03]: This thing had long, completely hairless tale.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was dragging on the ground behind it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's your possum.
[SPEAKER_03]: It possessed notice be large yellow eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: The creature's large mouth, he claimed, appeared to be held a bunch of round, almost puckered state.
[SPEAKER_05]: A round puckered mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like an archwork is what I pictured.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like a red horse sucker.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: After, after only a quick few minutes, the what's it was gone, leaning back toward this hidden home, among free from the gaze of men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Finally, after years of search and Peyton had seen the creature for himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could without a doubt, state yes, people are surely seeing something odd in the Kidger Xwamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before I get to new reading.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's seeing it seem to be like the possum gator type.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, but it has a horn.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the size of a large dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: Red brown fur, rhino like skin.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it almost seems like a man like a mini like a job in rhino.
[SPEAKER_05]: It makes with a squunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: or that or I even get some whole bag vibes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say that earlier, but I didn't want to mix cryptids and folklore.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was constant, the same state.
[SPEAKER_05]: I get sure right.
[SPEAKER_05]: What if this is the Red Hotag or I mean, just even kind of origin that inspired Hotag lore, you know?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that, I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what it came first.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I have my thoughts of what, I mean, I don't think it's some, I just don't think it's an unknown animal, this one, like, out of place animal.
[SPEAKER_05]: What, maybe it could be, you probably got some options that could fit the bill, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Wisconsin's got some weird stuff, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: Just like shorter stock here, but just as heavy, just as heavy, but they prefer wetlands and forests, right, as opposed to the big, like the planes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, mamas were planes grass, they mostly at grass, and mass sounds mostly eight trees bark, wetland plants, and honey locusts, seed pods.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, which I think there's some ready right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: We should probably top those for the birds get them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he could not, you know, with a doubt, say that people are shouldn't learn.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the moment, he said he didn't really care anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: He finally knew it was real and realized it wasn't hurting anybody, so he rarely wasn't a reason to bother it anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a weird thing that lives out in the swamp and it doesn't do anything to anybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So leave it alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the graft in monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or like Bosco.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Bosco.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a big turtle.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many cryptids that just, just, like, are... Master.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did Beast to Turuposco.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we call it in Bosco.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we name.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the turtle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... he was going to move on and let it be leave the thing alone to live its life in the swamp whatever it was history for the wets it was complete as far as he was concerned interesting story sure enough regarding creature may or may not exist uh... that's why people have such a hard time though setting a classification what kind of cryptid this is because even that story i mean i mean i'd sound like a red hoda yeah it doesn't really solve any our answer any questions
[SPEAKER_03]: It is more of a cryptid or is it more folklore, Peyton stated right away that he had been collecting stories, you know, for years and years, uh, but we hear at, you know, I probably bring it and it's too, they could find very, very little of any other creatures and then can do the the kid Rick Swamp.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: They really don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the Switch continues is what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then some creatures really seem to
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, uh, which is William Thomas Cox or Luke Sawyer canis or Harry and like Tyrone, depending on which version of that kind of series you're talking about, we have all three of them here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's just not a lot to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We could just talk about it now, but that's pretty much it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So whether it's like a squunk or a ho-dag,
[SPEAKER_03]: where it was a lumber lord legend that took on a little more of a life.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for people that don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Ho-Dag, like, you go to Ryleander.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are plenty of people that have said they've seen the Ho-Dag.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are plenty of plenty of people, like, because there's a riverboat tour, you can go take for a Ho-Dag expedition.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is 150 foot long, a Ho-Dag statue in the middle of town.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we've met people who've been at the, where they've seen, they go to pay the sea, the Ho-Dag at the circus, and it escaped every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I guess, is this what's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I have some options for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's, let's, do you wanna start with it's real?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or do you wanna start with it's just not real?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't wanna say, I believe it is real, but what is it, I guess, what's real at that point?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's start with it's just not real.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's just go with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all just a fabrication.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's very little exist on this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what I read from Adam is the most extensive I could find and you could tell they're wasn't out there now where are you through it all yes yeah and I was reading very slow yes no so there's just not a lot
[SPEAKER_03]: to the wetset so there's a good chance that it more falls into a hodag or a squank or a funeral mountain beast like from the other fearsome folklore, you know, the gumbaroo hoop snakes, it's not like goster, it's not like goster, slide rock boulders, which if you notice it looks like a lot of those things.
[SPEAKER_03]: It kind of some of the descriptions kind of give it a
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, no, no, no propeller tail.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the like the funeral mountain beast and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And other look like giant llamas or mooses, but they're goofy and, you know, run weird, like they're, they has a lot of lumber land style stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it doesn't know most of the lumber land creatures are fabrications.
[SPEAKER_05]: to explain phenomena.
[SPEAKER_03]: Natural phenomena like the Sliderog bolter, nobody ever seen the Sliderog bolter, they seen the aftermath of the Sliderog bolter, or it's glowing eyes on the side of the mountain.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody physically ever seen these Sliderog bolter.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they created that monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: To explain those things they are seeing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rocksides that would take out old towns.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lowing flames, which were probably glow worms.
[SPEAKER_05]: So like the squang, they were fine in these puddles on the ground.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they created the squark to explain the puddles.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... the whole dad was made because the guy wanted money that means that's about why everything's made in the world now i don't and credit him yeah i mean unfortunately that's how things are good for him yeah so there's a good chance that this thing falls squarely into that camp it never really took root
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, never never never really They're marketing team never really took that didn't boost it on Facebook.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you call that never really coalesced into a fully formed monster?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's just kind of floating in this ether where Yes, people heard stories of it and so but your grandpa's story of it, you know, the what's it because it was fun to talk about you know Tell around the campfire especially the name just so what's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, but his was this giant like Lama monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but your cousin Ted's was this possum cater.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, where are the true origin stories where it come from?
[SPEAKER_05]: Was it just someone's imagination?
[SPEAKER_05]: Was it in writing?
[SPEAKER_05]: I was actual witnesses.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: If we were going with it, not real.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was made up at the original, the turn of the century for the lumberlor stuff, or the lumberlor stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That maybe the name existed for a local monster and then they just kind of co-opted it, painted something for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like this is what's it?
[SPEAKER_05]: The what's it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And ain't a solid name, but you know, it gets there.
[SPEAKER_05]: It gets the job done.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what's it?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's with a silver dude ad from Africa on it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the guy selling it stole his flask.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I just like saying the silver dude ad from Africa.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's if it's not 100% not real.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we just, if we were to believe it is, it's bully just stories.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ho-dag, perfect example.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, I kind of have some,
[SPEAKER_05]: Include maybe I just wanted this one to be real, but I don't think it's any.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's just a creature Okay, I think this is where it kind of is well, let's do let's say it is a creature just an actual animal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I think there's a good change It is a creature.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, do you think all of them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say it's flesh and blood and it's not paranormal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get all hmm and it's not an unknown creature Would I think a good example of what's happened here?
[SPEAKER_03]: is an area that has reputation.
[SPEAKER_03]: People go into the swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge wetland marsh.
[SPEAKER_03]: People go into it all the time, but you can't really move around in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that it holds a reputation and it's held a reputation for over a hundred years of having some kind of monster in it, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think anytime there's a loose livestock or any other animal in it, that's the monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the monster because you just see pieces of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the llama type thing was probably an escape llama.
[SPEAKER_03]: Could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you just seen a piece of it running through the swamp or the big what's it with horns, the hippo with horns?
[SPEAKER_03]: A cow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I loose cow, but you don't see the whole cow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying that you know parts of it and cows are great swimmers Yeah, people are really good cows Can swim they don't like you, but they can right yeah, and so what if it's you know that was kind of things you know so you're on edge We talk about that with people with some of the big foot stuff That if you're everything's a big foot if you really wanted to be right every sound every quick breaking every
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of charge.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're in this area every 800 pound gorilla charging you and it's just a great in your face.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a gorilla guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: So barrel dogs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you know, all that kind of stuff like the guy was describing just sounded like a giant black like a Burmese mountain dog or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was not great.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the right of like skin if it's if he's real and telling the truth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it could be mage that causes that to look like that big patches fall off and you just kind of look like a monster bears.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are bears in this swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a major very scary that or even I'm just saying same pieces of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because you want there to be a what's it right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I see the what's it today I see them you know, because giant and huge So I think there's a lot of that going on that the what's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still not real, but it is real
[SPEAKER_03]: where I got you miss ID normal every day run in the middle creatures, but you have this mindset to where the what's it lives out here and then you just see a piece of something run by right and and your brain still what's your brain fills in the gaps yeah what about the possible thing what would explain in an animal that explained that away
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, if it the giant dog, they had the possum tail.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, ma'am.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they can reach it and he'll chew his fur off, essentially.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, there's everything from you can get like actual like skin robbed and tools.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know what trench footage, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's caused by that as long-term moisture exposure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: In your boots.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I worked as one of the only jobs you can still get trench foot in North America.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you get it?
[SPEAKER_03]: We got close.
[SPEAKER_03]: I swear sometimes I was like, I may have to go to the hospital with trench foot.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, that's so gross though.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stink foot.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, just like, pieces, never.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not pushing off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not good at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and we, you're in waiters, but it's just like, you're about to lay fluids.
[SPEAKER_05]: So gross.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now you've got long worms.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're not selling me on this job opening that we've been hinting at applying for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the administrative one, you don't have to go out in the field.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can just pee in my own shoes inside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: 100 grand.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so gross.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so no, let's talk about what the what's it could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it more cryptid angle.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I was thinking more like the suit.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess supernatural like elemental side of things, maybe.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so like, well, maybe not so much kind of like, well, speaking of how big the jamboree just this past week can happen, we had Randy there talking and like his property, you know, he's got it's very active with big foot, but yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: there's some weird stuff going on there too.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm wondering if this area is kind of like that weird where whatever animal it is is presenting itself differently, maybe based on the user or not the user that individual's witnessing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of got to where my final thing was, was it's a window area.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: that and they're not the same creature.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not changing or looking different.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a spot where either you could say like the time portals, these are animals from the past.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so you think they're separate creatures that are coming through.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is just the area that happens to be where they're caught a lot, like coming in and out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because all of the creatures describe sound like megafaunal from the U.S.
[SPEAKER_03]: has passed.
[SPEAKER_03]: okay yeah uh there were giant there was even things that were aquatic furry mammals like they were being seen the gator awesome things we had several animals like that even if uh in evolutionary theory the ancestor whales look like that yeah big dog gator heads first still big feet but you know big bare tail catch
[SPEAKER_05]: Imagine like a whale sized whale coming up out of the water, but it has just like a little deep, a little feet in a German shepherd head.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, scary that would be exist.
[SPEAKER_05]: Huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, kind of.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that the floppy year is, but like dolphins basically.
[SPEAKER_05]: I meant furry, like nose, big teeth, like literally a German shit, or what about one of that giant pug head?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's something I thought.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it goes back under the water.
[SPEAKER_05]: How scared would you be for a 40-foot pug-headed whale?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's called a manatee.
[SPEAKER_05]: Breached.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, but literally the exact fur everything he hears is a pug.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't know, but so that's one of my thoughts is this is a window area.
[SPEAKER_03]: So nobody's lying or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just yeah, we have things and that's why they're not there.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no evidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no long terms because the what's it is a one thing you're literally catching glimpses.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they're just, I don't know, I guess presenting himself in a physical way and they're just grabbing from examples from maybe different animals or different creatures, or like you said, what if they're even just pulling from creatures from the past and presenting themselves that way?
[SPEAKER_05]: Just navigating around the woods, maybe wanting to be seen, maybe wanting to be experienced or witnessed by whatever users out there, witnesses out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, maybe it feeds off human energy,
[SPEAKER_05]: bound there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because some stuff there's creatures, I just convince that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we talked about existing different, whether it's different dimensions or different biosphere, like that electro magnetic creature.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think there's a bunch of that that there is earth has so many stacked by like you said biosphere remade and if you're new to the show, we've done episodes on biosphere.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a biosphere is the tree of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: So as of now, accept viruses.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every documented living thing is sharing the basic building box of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're all are related or shared the same rules genetic on a genetic level.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like the carbon based tree alive from, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So from anaerobic bacterium to plants to fungi to animals, all of it, shared the basic building box even though they can be extremely different.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a biosphere.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a shadow biosphere is what Jay is talking about, where it is a whole separate tree of life that may be hard to see because it's being overlaid by our biosphere, because it's the one we're in, so as these is one to see, not that it's more prominent or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So viruses, there's a lot of credit to scientists that argue that they are part of what it would be the first shadow biosphere to be discovered.
[SPEAKER_03]: because they do not fit our conventional rules of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they, in my opinion, they are a life.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are just a different form of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're, you know, crystalline creatures.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just different that we just don't, we can't, what's the word, uh, conception, not conception.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's why it's like humans can't rationalize affinity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Rationalize.
[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's the word.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, and I think it's real.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know what the Earth really is that we're just standing on.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know what this plane of existence is.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we don't know what other planes of existence might overlap our own as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So with that, with the physics side of it, which I think next year, I would love to do a paranormal science conference.
[SPEAKER_03]: That'd be cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that just be a ticket event.
[SPEAKER_03]: We could pay a couple scientists.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know to come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they've gone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and if you're listening on it, we, you, this is for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've talked to Oh, and I love Oh, and I love Oh, and I do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, shoot, Darrell.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sims.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not reccientist, but he knows a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a scientist hat.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does.
[SPEAKER_05]: He does.
[SPEAKER_05]: He wears it every, every time he does any investigation.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... now you have a track i don't even know about just having a paranormal like science convention like we're both out so when we talk about astrophysics uh... physics so uh... even quantum physics that we're just barely understanding which there's new stuff coming out season with a word season eight we have an episode scheduled later the season or and it new expanded idea of the double slit experiment
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so stay tuned before I'm waiting for more to come out about it because it's just now kind of doing stuff with it where it is like being in a giant pitch black warehouse Looking around with a candle.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh gosh, it's like into the void.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's how we understand a lot of physicists will tell you that that's quantum physics and everything like when we're getting to this like we know enough to know that we don't know anything
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I just realized what this swamp thing is.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just clicked all the dots together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quantum physics beast.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this area is quantumly entangled with another area from a different world.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so these creatures are quantumly entangled together.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they pop in and out of here and there, simultaneously.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: In your catching glimpses of the
[SPEAKER_05]: entanglement, this is the action of the distance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually, that's which is quantum physics everywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's definition of quantum physics.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's our Einstein's definition of it, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because we don't know how it works.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's very interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: But.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think there could be whole life, and I do think there is even animals.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the doctor who didn't, there was one episode where basically time riffs or quantum riffs or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know those exist from their byproducts.
[SPEAKER_03]: These weird gravitational anomalies.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about them in the show many times in magnetic anomalies on the roof, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where there's side effects of, I do think that there's so much energy there that whole different forms of life could have evolved to feed off of those like scars.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, if there's a niche to be filled, life will fill it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that'd be your shadow biosphere that there are electric beings, and we can't see them all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or they only exist in certain light frequencies.
[SPEAKER_03]: There could be carbon-based life forms that only exists in ultraviolet.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's wild to think about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's true that they are part, they related to us, but we just cannot, we can interact with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're physical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you cannot see them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have the hardware in your head, the wetware.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like to see them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like a Egyptian blue, that blue, that it's not real.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you can only view it, see it that it's blue under ultraviolet, like it pops during that.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the only time it's visible.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: That even back then, they were developing paints with that in it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who was who was looking at it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Who was observing that?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was for scorpions.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's for somebody.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's Where did we maybe humans maybe we were able to sense ultraviolet light better back then for the cats?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's cats ever in Egypt you might not be really worship cats.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, maybe there was a cat person that told him like This used this color and they knocked it off the shelf the cat was just like just they like staring at that wall So it's paying everything that color
[SPEAKER_05]: It even realized there's an ultraviolet color in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're tripping.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think I really like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The kitturics won't blots it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't really know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just thought it was a fun little thing to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I wonder how many of these areas though are around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a bunch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think they are getting rarer for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: As I think you can destroy them like any environment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's, and I think a lot of them are covered up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where their guy group access is put on them.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are the TNT plants put on them There are installations that are to be protected put on top of these things on purpose U.S.
[SPEAKER_05]: Forestry watch House is whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yes, something like whoa, I forget was the base like their base camp their head office Was put in the number one Sasquatch sighting spot in Ohio and hockey hills and
[SPEAKER_03]: You find it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where all of the bigfoot like a huge percentage of bigfoot sightings are how took place in that one little spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: The government put a building on top of a cliff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So right where all the bigfoot was being seen, it was odd.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very strange.
[SPEAKER_05]: What if that's the portal area?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think they're crawling out of.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it could be something I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's odd.
[SPEAKER_05]: And now they they crawl right out into a fair day cage.
[SPEAKER_05]: They have built in the basement of that facility.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just shocking them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're just poking with a stick.
[SPEAKER_05]: And let's go back to your other dimension.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if anybody's ever done that taking where like worn a fair day cage and going out into the woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be something for Andy's property to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gosh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just see what happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's just pull on behind like put someone in a fair day cage and pull behind like a four wheeler and then just leave them out in the middle of the woods for the night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they'd be safer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it would work, but I think you'd be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the very least would be like, that's weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our fair day cages, they're not electrified, are they?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can be, but they're, they're not, they're just grounding cages.
[SPEAKER_05]: We need an electromagnetic fairytale cage like an X-Men when he's hooked up to that machine that has all those circles spinning around him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Was that, was that Magneto I think?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what it means to look like.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you guys have enjoyed this episode of Nonsense.
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