[SPEAKER_01]: I got stuff for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Holy moly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I need to get some snakes and release them around my house.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I love eat people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love eat kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are the scientists of the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lecturers leaving lessons for acquiring laymen.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are applying the scientific method to a world that baffle signs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the cryptids of the core.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every day, you open your mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more convinced you're the crayons.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just stood up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it just kept going on and going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she goes, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_05]: These are idiots.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was laughing reading this because I already knew how you would feel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Idiot!
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the story?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fits your balloon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this isn't a UFO.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he also has big black wings and red eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Batman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Batman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'm on it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, everyone, I think we know exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: So say it all with me.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a sand bill crane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you try it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you wouldn't need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're probably toxic.
[SPEAKER_01]: There'd be a lot of poop in my face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, in a six foot alley, you gotta go swing into the air, slam into a tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost forgot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to crib as a corn pod cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's season eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, we made it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_02]: Another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am the great and powerful mystery.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm Jay Clone 250.
[SPEAKER_05]: Woo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, scary 250 scary on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Friend, it'd be what is that called Zesty?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what the kids call it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe sassy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think it's Zesty now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but I know it was sassy when I think we were in school.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that is termed Zesty now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any of our younger listeners?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I have gray hair in your bolt, so I don't think I'm too zesty.
[SPEAKER_05]: No more.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, uh, no, you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think you, you can be Hmm, especially like D&D night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my ass don't as I don't know what zesty means.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that zesty?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like playful bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, uh, I can be that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like not like actually bad, but like like chaotic good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Art neutral.
[SPEAKER_05]: Huh, chaotic neutral.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's there you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: So do you know what the season opener is?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even tease me for like a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not going to tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one that we've talked about forever and are good for in Jeb at the backwoods bookie man podcast that does a lot of art for us now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did custom art for the season opener.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, you guys seeing this new customer to check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Check out your screens.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are doing
[SPEAKER_02]: Spring, healed, jack, and other like super paranormal people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a couple of things that fall into like the Spring Hill Jack category.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've talked about Spring Hill Jack before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got a little bit about Spring Hill Jack, uh, the man gasser of Matoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Matt a gasguard, my tune.
[SPEAKER_02]: The mad gasser, uh, of Matoon, which is in the US, uh, where they're like, they're just kind of like super powered paranormal people though.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not like the anesthesiologist that lived in Lima right next to us.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, he was a mad gasser that was a little different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was you had to go into his office for that
[SPEAKER_05]: No, he did it to his family, remember?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't remember that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't remember this.
[SPEAKER_05]: He like a blocked off.
[SPEAKER_05]: He, yeah, he gave a family show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Family show.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because it was on that indesis and discovery channel.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we were watching it with my dad.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was like limo, high.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we looked it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, it was bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a dollarmer, but it lived in Bath for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right down the road.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how to bring him here I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he wasn't from here.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he moved here.
[SPEAKER_02]: His dad they were only here for like three or four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe even but his first kill may have been in Bath.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's scary because and that they think it could have been what triggered him into it because it was his childhood friend.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's stick back.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get back to the supernatural folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it could be, it kept me anything for demonic.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of weirdness with the Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that our first one we're kicking off?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to start with Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the art.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if any of you haven't seen it yet, but I haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are a Victorian lady and I am swinging through the air like Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I am hunting you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is Spring Hill Jack now?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's Jack the Ripper, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, now these are different.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are different.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jack the Ripper was not Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why don't I don't know if he was actually I just had that associated my head for some reason Well, they're both in England.
[SPEAKER_05]: They both have Jack in the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both maybe that's hacked women.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if you're enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, same.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not very different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they do have like a lot of core
[SPEAKER_02]: trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of spray hill jacks victims are lived.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he wasn't like murdering but he was just, he was very, uh, well, you'll get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So out of history and I'm using stuff from mysterious universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, Marcus, low with, it wrote most of this articles that I'm using.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Marcus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Marcus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to give, you know, shout out when I'm using
[SPEAKER_02]: But within the mind, the best place to start for these kind of creatures would be Victorian England with that legend of spring healed Jack, and with my weird way I talk, I say it like healed as in like he was healed, okay, not healed H-E-E-L-E-D like on your feet heal of his foot, yeah spring healed Jack, yes, because if he's jumping ability, okay spring healed Jack,
[SPEAKER_02]: However, don't be under any illusions.
[SPEAKER_02]: These encounters with strange mysterious figures were very real.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much real, they became a genuine public enemy number one throughout the country.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, there were as man hunts, like hundreds of thousands of people were looking out for Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these are like what I find fascinating about this is the infamy he got or these entities get.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they were like, but I think modern day we think of them as mythical creatures or mythical encounters or stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, they happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: The things that we're going to talk about happened, the women that were attacked or died, several women did die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, this happened and it just is, it's always been crazy to me that bizarre you hear some podcasts or TV shows or stuff that go into these and they kind of just talk about them like They're talking about unicorns, which are real, but you know that mythical like for a just a fictional story basically
[SPEAKER_02]: There are, though, many suggestions of what have surface over the years explaining in many encounters with their potentially ominous, weird figures, ranging from bizarre strings of hoaxes, ritual connections with secret societies, and even stranger yet some figures of some kind of standard extraterrestrial ultra-terrestrial.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about it, in 1830s, there was accounts of Spring Hill Jack began to surface, initially from the streets of London.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first official encounter with the Spring Hill Jack unfolded in February of 1838 from 25-year-old Jane Austlep heard a knock at her front door of her London home.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's late tonight here in knock.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 1838.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're you're Jane.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well I'd lean over and I'd light my candle.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes?
[SPEAKER_05]: and then I approached the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: She did, she went to the door and she pulled it open, not at all prepared for what kind of one's straw city waited for her at her doorstep, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: In front of her was a tall gond figure that wore a cape while sporting giant claw-like hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: with eyes that glue and glued as if they were blazing falls of fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's just great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this tall, gaunt figure with hands, but they had giant, like she was describing the fingers, either they were all claws or they were show long in sharp, they were extremely claw-like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that of an owl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: With glowing balls of fire for eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But very humanoid, it's still a war cape in the hat and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether it was actually a humanoid or it was trying to dress enough like a humanoid to pass off by passerby's.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, drank clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, the already bizarre moment turned even more surreal when a burst of blue and white flames spew out of the figure's mouth at her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it opened its mouth and got mad and she was white and blue fire out of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like David Lopez shooting the light out of his eyes and mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: She later stated in her report that the menacing figure was wearing a tight fitting costume and that had an oily texture and had looked like it was a fishbowl on its head.
[SPEAKER_05]: fishbowl.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's retalk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it underneath the the top hat and the the cape right it had seemed to be wearing a tight fitting costume.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at this time, we would call it like a skin suit like a scuba diver suit that could be that, but like a latex suit or something a hearing to that's right it's skeletal structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it seemed to be oily.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it had appeared to be a fishbowl with her best description so like you already said like a dive suit would be a very good explanation um but a fishbowl with a hat on it
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like it was attached.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, it was odd.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the whole thing's odd.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that you do from Spider-Man Mysterio?
[SPEAKER_02]: It does, it does give some Mysterio vibe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm thinking of.
[SPEAKER_02]: 1930, Mysterio.
[SPEAKER_02]: The news of her encounter spread the newspapers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other previously dismissing sightings came to light.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of people before her had seen him or ran into him and maybe not as a direct fashion.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we're like, after she came out and was like, this was horrible, this beast and I guess we seen it too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether it's the mania or if it really is people that had seen it and just were so scared, I'm really talking about the big foot and everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easier to talk about your sighting when somebody else is the first one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, breaks the ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you've seen it's 1930 or it's our 1830s, 1830s, London.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen this very humanoid, but still very, very odd entity.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you talk about it right away or which it didn't hurt like it didn't actually frizzically hurt or attack you just scared the veggies how do you I'd probably tell my family or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a woman in 1980 or 1830s 1830s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah You're a woman in 1330s and you told your family out.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's hard to put myself you would definitely be shipped away I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of a woman in the 1830s.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just it's hard Because I don't know You run a lot of think or talk
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's kind of hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you've seen a monster and you just put your head down and be like, yes, have a good day, sir.
[SPEAKER_05]: What would you do?
[SPEAKER_05]: What you do slam the door shut?
[SPEAKER_02]: There were there were some very strong women though in the 1830s, but they had a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I mean, they had to.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, the newspapers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So perhaps one of the earliest occurred late on the night and September of 1837.
[SPEAKER_02]: The night and question, an unnamed businessman was returning home along the Burnin's common.
[SPEAKER_02]: After working late, an extremely tall figure suddenly appeared out of nowhere as if he was a ghost in the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a, you know, a pretty, he's unnamed, but from description of the guy in art of the guy at the time, he was like a normal, pretty, pretty hefty guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just like this, gone tall, massive figure, just appears out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: As if he had control or being patrolled on a springboard, he said, or propelled, maybe?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, propelled, propelled on a springboard like he was gliding or flying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we talk about this with even like bigfoot sightings modern day and, you know, other repair normal, they don't seem like they're walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like floating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you ever seen those Russian dancers?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's very in the dresses that so cool that looks like they're floating across the stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is very it's magical to watch it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly, no much like Miss Jane's report several months later, the witness claimed that the figure had glowing red eyes straight from the bowels of hell.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I wonder if it's you think they're describing the same eyes as the
[SPEAKER_02]: balls of fire eyes and before that's what he feels that's why a lot of people feel like yeah it's just like they look like they're glowing with fire fire and brimstone what color is brimstone
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if it's hot red, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not white hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Brimstone turns white does it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Brimstone have ever seen his red, but does not mean it's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in Minecraft and in other games, it's red.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't true, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess I only even know exactly what Brimstone is.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just know it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I always say it after fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Byron Brunston.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a trial tribulations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trials and tribulations.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just got the definition of tribulations another day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, around the same time, a servant named Mary, when Mary Stevens, if you want to know her full names, had her own encounter in our Clap at Ham Commons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to actually pronounce, but it spelled Clap Am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clap them probably clap them rack them willy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clap in comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was returning to her place of employment in lavender hill area in the city after visiting her parents when a very very tall man settling appeared in front of her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's just like instantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just there like bam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're married.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's late at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're walking by yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's just now this tall massive figure.
[SPEAKER_02]: This why I had him do you in the dress.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he didn't proceed it to wrap his arms around her before releasing her when she screamed as loudly as she could okay strangely though Mary couldn't recall where the figure advantage to it was simply as if when minute he was there in the next minute he was gone okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Mary's just she's looking up at this like lamp post tall creature.
[SPEAKER_02]: instantly he wraps his massive arms and claws around her like it's hugging her or he's going to pick her up and run away with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She screams and kicking it and then he just drops her and then she takes off and she's just he's just not there.
[SPEAKER_05]: It minus the fishbow head and the hat thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you ever see that cartoon the death note one?
[SPEAKER_05]: That entity that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The enemy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Death no, yeah, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I can an uagami an uagami something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just remember seeing I don't I never actually watched it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I remember seeing three views and like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's origami I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, it won't okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but I'm uma gami.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just what it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just looked it up the picture just now I'll just some reason that kept popping my head right.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got the tall.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like a tall Lanky with like clawed hands which one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all look different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they do all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay The deaf gods
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, what's the one that um, this guy right the one I. He's the main one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the main one.
[SPEAKER_05]: So whatever his name is rewook rewook Yeah, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's what I don't know why I'm picturing that in my head myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are death demons Maybe I don't know why but that's I never seen the show but that popped man On the very same evening as Mary's encounter though almost in the same location the creature appeared again This time in front of an oncoming horse in carriage.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh
[SPEAKER_02]: So this massive, it's just standing there in front of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a result, the horse bolted in fear as a horse would causing the carriage to crash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, with multiple witnesses watching, they figured jumped overnight, nine foot wall, clearing it with ease.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dang.
[SPEAKER_02]: This giant thing is sand in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Babin in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Horse, crash, everybody's like, and there's, you know, four or five people watching this thing, and then it goes, wait, jumps over.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it made the noise blowing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bling.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, only the night before Jane's sighting, 18 year old Lucy scales was walking home when she claimed a strange topic you're appeared out of nowhere with blue flames coming out of his mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then it temporarily blinded her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, really it's like David Lopan following James report combined with these previous sightings now being widely reported the moniker of Spring Hill Jack first began to spread around the you know in popular the mayor of London surge him coval stated publicly that Spring Hill Jack was a public and our enemy number one wow he's on the FBI's most wanted
[SPEAKER_02]: following this several members of nobility and other influence or other influential figures at the time offered their own significant rewards to anybody who captured this curious figure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a bunch of the nobility and some other just public figures were like, I'll give you a 4,000 pounds if you can catch them.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if what if you was like an escaped creature from like the row family?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on to that because I don't, there are people with that line of thought.
[SPEAKER_05]: First of all, give it the attention like this is number one like public enemy number one, if it wasn't like, they already knew about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jack was just a common name.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they're like Jack the Ripper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like being dough here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you call anyone to jack.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you jack over there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was try to get understand that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but yeah, so they offered him.
[SPEAKER_02]: more over, though, many people from all walks of life looked to bag the strange figure to reward for themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now there's, now he's attacked women, several different women.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about some of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really likes women.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't go about it the best way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's some assault that happens, which is typically towards women.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now there's a man, a righteous man hunt for him, but there's also several large rewards for his capture.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the city of London just turns into doing all out man hunt for this mysterious creature.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's people like there is some stories I was reading where women said you couldn't walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, without seeing a man in front of you behind your hunting for him, like you could never not be seeing to Jack Springhill Jack Hunters.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: At night when you're walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they felt safer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Springhill Jack still attacked people during that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd sneak to the cracks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they should be like, there was, well, the one girl talk about, like, when she ran to the court, they was right there, like, in between all these people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Waiting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So other info like, your figure is offered by the capture on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even a 70 year old Duke of Wellington attempted to do it to apprehend the strange figure, even engaging in several cat and mouse chases with him before ultimately having to give up an emit defeat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's just a 70 year old Duke of Wellington is out there chasing him with a big net.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a big net.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sees him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Spring Hill jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there were many, many encounters with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's many gaps, like years and years and years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, years?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, all the way into like the 1900s.
[SPEAKER_02]: So over a hundred years of, it would be, there's been two and a half years.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it had happened, and then attacked a couple more women.
[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of the women, he would rip the front of their dresses off.
[SPEAKER_02]: to expose the rest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a very big thing for several of the Spring Hill Jack and counters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would grab women very, very inappropriately.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed to be a giant paranormal pervert.
[SPEAKER_02]: a GPP is that we're going to title this episode if we remember giant paranormal pervert yeah i think that'll go great season eight season eight opener giant paranormal pervert that's probably not a bad idea it acts i mean it's catching it is so yeah uh the one lady like the seriously she was almost to her house
[SPEAKER_02]: So she ran into this alley and he had, like, not ran into this alley, she was going to her house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she was saying that she had seen men, you know, bun, front of her behind her.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should turn the corner and when she hopped in, he hopped down into the alley.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she didn't know if he was running along this, like, 11 foot tall walkway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was hiding down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he grabbed her, ripped the front of her dress off.
[SPEAKER_02]: She screamed, a lady in the house, off to her right, open the door,
[SPEAKER_02]: and she said you could just say the lights coming from all over trying to get this guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he shoves the woman down and then he jumps and they just use hearing laugh it as he jumps and flies away.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not actually flying away, but like jumps away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like incredible Hulk.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the lady actually did die.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, what happened to her fear of death?
[SPEAKER_02]: She was scared to death.
[SPEAKER_02]: She got scared half the death twice.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, um, it was very scary and she died of a heart attack.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but there was many encounters like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he would disappear and come back, disappear and come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any questions about that so far?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's pretty wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: Early on the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we're going to jump ahead of quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... gears or years decades okay where we at now the early morning of February eight nineteen fifty five so hundred twenty years yes ish the headmaster of thumps him school in dover albert brells brells forward open his front door to find a snowed heavy the night before uh... of more interesting however there appear to be hoof prints and otherwise unbroken white blanket
[SPEAKER_02]: To begin with, Brettford thought he was looking at the footprints of a horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps when it broke free in the stables during the night storm, however, when he examined the prints, he could see that there were only two tracks, meaning whatever had made them was a bipedal in the opposite of a four-legged creature.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's looking for a bipedal creature with hoofs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Found like anybody you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: A few.
[SPEAKER_02]: even stranger the tracks went off in a perfect straight line suggesting whoever or whatever had made them hopped along instead of walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you've ever seen like rabbits in the snow their tracks where they're hopping.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was he's that's what he's describing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not walking through the snow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hop hop hop and they're parallel every time they're hopping.
[SPEAKER_02]: The steps are the steps are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether it's jumping in landing like spring him jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people suggested like you already mentioned like the jersey up flying in landing Maybe it was knocked down from the storm and it couldn't fly well.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a friend Chris on our bone team.
[SPEAKER_05]: He has a grandson and he's found he just learned to walk, but He hops More so than runs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I mean he gets going, but he hops just like the repair row.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, still interest, our stranger still.
[SPEAKER_02]: Breatsford believed the prince were so deep they almost seemed to be as if whatever made them had branded itself into the snow as if something was hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was his assertion, uh, keep my this 1955.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no evidence of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he said it was just, it was so weird because they didn't seem like they were that heavy, but they were burnt all the way to the bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's only thought it was, are they that hot?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Russford began to follow the tracks, soon joined by other members of the community.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's following this, so we're, as he's walking and following them, other people had noticed this separately, and started following these tracks as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So by this time, though, there's, you know, dozens of people walking and following these tracks, it's so, that's how odd it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: That enough people are like, it's a trap.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's leading them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eventually the crowd, they came to a stop in front of a large wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: All this known was disturbed on top of the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: The townsfolk looked over to the other side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, they could see the tracks carried on as if they were made by, you know, something jumping over the wall or phasing through the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: managed to clear it without disturbing the snow on top of the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it had jumped, it had jumped clean over the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't jump a crawl over the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, crawl over the wall.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought you said this snow is disturbed or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't disturbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm not disturbed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, rumors then began to swiftly say the devil himself had made his journey across the Overs country side that night.
[SPEAKER_02]: While others were saying it was the return of Springfield Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Guess who's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back again.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Springfield Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Born your friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The following week or a port of strange tracks appeared in the Times newspaper, resulting in a theory of theories suggesting that who are what were responsible for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although many people suggested the tracks were clearly been made by some kind of roaming animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many other suggested what they couldn't, they weren't satisfied.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know what animal, how many people were, I'm sorry, what animal, how could this animal leap over a 10-foot high fence and not disturb the top?
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's even tracks across the roof of a
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm, okay, and just went right up over it or for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right up over it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was walking as straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was made by a giant terrible thermal hoof turtle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Straight line.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think of that?
[SPEAKER_05]: And this was the 1950s.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I'll jump back again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dang.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's pretty wild.
[SPEAKER_05]: It does sound like Spring Hill Jack like it sounds like the
[SPEAKER_05]: going up and over, but if he did, if not phased in through, it could be something else.
[SPEAKER_05]: But we've heard the hoof prints before, not just a new K either, like over here.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, what happened here?
[SPEAKER_05]: There's that one.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's happened down in Hawking Hills.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm talking about the hoofed ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the one there hoofed prints has a TJ's cabin?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they weren't like a long trail of, and they were just on the windows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was thinking of like, there was that one that was like 11 or 12 miles long.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was in New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's wild.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't even want to follow those after like mile two.
[SPEAKER_05]: It'd be like okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So according to an article in the London Morning Post, we're going to jump back to 1877, at the military outpost in Albert shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Several guards opened fire on a strange figure whose appearance was an extremely similar to Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the original encounters were 1838 and how were in 1877.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're at a military outpost.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just see this Spring Hill Jack 11 foot tall,
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just open fire at it, as you should.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I want to know what happened despite hitting the figure square on.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said they as you could see it hitting and they would even say sometimes sparks would fly off it and stuff like that when they were hitting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's simply bounded away unhurt laughing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moreover, there is not any blood or any sizes that figure had been wounded whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what is that remind you of?
[SPEAKER_05]: Skinwalker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where it sounds like metal or something is being hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just runs away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, bunch of little things in the hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Either way, I mean, same kind of phenomena, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where, so the Hopsieville Goblins, when they were being shot at, they said sparks would come off.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether they were hitting metal is what they assumed, but it may not have been.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may have been more paranormal, just that's the byproduct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Byproduct, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so ran away on her, one of the guards was later quoted saying the strange figure was no ordinary moral, whatever it was, several months later reports came from an almost identical figure from Newport in Lincolnshire, each shining result in several residents off their respective towns opening fire on the strange creature, which then jumped exceptionally high to escape laughing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just picture like a green goblin laugh.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to know what the laugh was actually like is a hanging laugh.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that'd be something sinister.
[SPEAKER_05]: What if it was just like goofy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And run the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess how it wouldn't be as scared then.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I even know what Tigger says.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bounds in a way like Tigger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just over a quarter of a century later, in 1904, the Everton district of Liverpool, hundreds of residents reported seeing a bizarre creature that was jumping from one roof to another.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 1904.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just see this flaming eye, spinning fire monster jumping from rooftop to rooftop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, another sighting unfolded, you know, several decades later in 1920.
[SPEAKER_02]: In Warrington, I think it's how you'd say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Several people reported seeing a figure with a white radiant costume.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a giant white neon jump suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're pretty jumping off the path of the Ruth from the Central Railways Railway Station.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: central railway station there we go venture jumping over the station in disappearing it's an engine an engine oh i didn't i didn't know what i thought you said i thought it was not good an engine the white uh i mean human but i know it's a cryptid yes that in and the southern Pacific it's not a white jumpsuit the thing is white it's an engine
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the anti Spring Hill Jack hunting the Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you might be honest with me, there was also several tentative reports of a figure with a remarkable appearance to the Spring Hill Jack spotted in the shuffered field district in the late 1970s.
[SPEAKER_02]: While the study was almost certainly a case of a person perhaps making themselves look like Spring Hill Jack for no other reason than for their own amusement.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good way to get shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: look like this supernatural human killer and all the people were dressing out as clowns.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were walking around the woods out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was just dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: What a weird thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a, uh, giving him a amount of time of the sighting stretch, you know, well over a hundred years.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, you know, probably not possible that this creature is a human.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least a human.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: assuming that it's, you know, maybe it has an exceptionally long life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may actually still be a creature.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, a hundred, let's see, from 19, it's a well over a hundred from 1830s to, let's say at least 1920s for the actual Spring Hill Jack encounters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went into the 70s, but that one seemed to just be a guy because it didn't do nearly as many of the miraculous things that it did.
[SPEAKER_05]: The jumping feats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a guy dressed up because he wanted to touch women.
[SPEAKER_05]: Moonshuse, Moonshuse, you remember this version?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had a pair of Moonshuse too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, there may still be a pair of Moonshuse upstairs.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think bars are out in the barn still, but they're pretty well dry-rodded.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with this last point, mine, what could the creature be?
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a bunch of theories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Before I get into anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, assuming everything is canon.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's all real.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say all the stories are so what I'll tell you is at least out of the stories I've told you, I'm with 99% certain these these all happen did happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, many eyewitnesses it freaked people out so much to know and there were royalty in public figures involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like there was people hunting it, especially in the earlier reports.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people at some points looking for a Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they did happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, two, wasn't an elaborate costume to, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, if it's all can, this all happened as told, right, newspapers.
[SPEAKER_05]: To me, it's, it's got to be some kind of supernatural light.
[SPEAKER_05]: Demon spawn.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I don't want to even say like it's that's it's not like a straight-up killer or it so as far as I could find The only people that died you know, he did cut someone in pretty deep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh with his claws and There were several women that died, but the women seem to die of fright
[SPEAKER_05]: Rather than not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the one woman that died, there was a report and I didn't put it in this, there was a report of a woman that died that Spring Hill Jack seemed to be genuinely concerned, like, uh, like he was just supposed to scare her or just wanted to grab her breasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she died and he went, and then one of the guys that was like sort of chased out from like he was surprised that she died.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, that's what's the average 100 years ago?
[SPEAKER_05]: What's the average age of the women he assaulted?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're fairly young.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not fairly young.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, Victorian young housewives and maids.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: The man that he fought with almost all ran into him when they were hunting him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He almost never picked a fight with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not saying he just almost never picked a fight with a man unless the man picked a fight first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: younger women.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, now I'm just some pervert.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was a pervert.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, he was a demonic pervert, meaning, well, if that, that being the case, he's probably, it's probably tied to the royal family, and somehow because, you know, there's some connections there that, uh, Prince Andrew, let's just put that for, excuse me, modern day, excuse me, I was like, um, it's 230 years old.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, just saying the lineage, shhh.
[SPEAKER_05]: The lineage, a lot of perversion in the net royal house.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what if one of them like, uh, it's all it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just some, uh, member of the royal family that got into some a cultic ritual stuff and turn himself into this demon so they can go assault people out in the street.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you're combining like four or five of my theories.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying it's just like, no, so that the royal family and angle or high nobility angle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so was one that's pushed a lot because that's one one thought line for Jack the Ripper, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: was that he was like a duke son or maybe even a duke himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he wasn't directly the royal family when you think of King Queen, right, princesses, but he was of royal blood and the royal family knew about it and that's why it was covered up and that's why he never caught his because they couldn't afford that scandal and that has been pushed out with this too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That it was a no a bit a person of nobility, whether it was a business nobility at
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's 1830 so I don't know how much there was there for I'm just we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah I was saying I'm not arguing.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, what you drop it you're you're of arguing about this?
[SPEAKER_05]: Now find power dropped.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was I saying?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know it's very often a little tangent, but we were talking about the royal family connection and oh that
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so you may be like, Spring Hill Jack may have been a costume wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, one in the touch women.
[SPEAKER_05]: The only thing that throws me off of just being a costume wearing person is the jumping feet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now unless they had access to some kind of technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now so some people really thought that he just had big springs on his feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that technology actually exists.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, um, well, we have those things now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those little, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: almost like pogo stick kind of uh... like the people like people like paraplegic people who get or not paraplegic or would it be when they get like below their knee cut like amputated or something they have like those uh... almost spring like lowering the running ones but they're at that there's weird angles yes they're running like they make those were uh... for people
[SPEAKER_05]: that don't have, um, that aren't paraply, just like, so you can run and jump.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, run and jump, but they're basically it's that same shape, but they're huge like spring loaded.
[SPEAKER_05]: The other bouncy things.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thought is that that everybody was so scared that the powers may have been exaggerated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he may have just been wearing like tall shoes and stuff like that, and then there was there is like street magic that can cause that there's like a I had the chemical pull up, but like you can make that fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you ever seen magic paper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, flash paper, flash paper, my pastries do it in church like, yeah, so that they were just using that just really scare women.
[SPEAKER_05]: So is it just a magician?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's an eccentric perverted magician.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A cultic means hidden knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: A cult means hidden knowledge.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying it's good, don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But like Native Americans in the skinwalker, you know, that's, it's a, it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cultic because I mean the Navajo and the U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: don't really talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a cultic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hidden knowledge from us.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I mean,
[SPEAKER_05]: People with access to stuff, and it's a whole hidden world that none of us have are privy to, but I know, I know it exists.
[SPEAKER_05]: We know that a cultic side of the world exists.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I wouldn't put it beyond me, or I would believe it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't believe it that this is some kind of ritual thing either summoned or like skinwalker you're transformed into and you may be more beast like like maybe and maybe you're bringing something into your body.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're summoning into yours and transforming into this thing where
[SPEAKER_05]: You're becoming this beast or creature and you can't really consciously control yourself.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's got these perverted urges.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I have an idea that this is actually maybe not quite fair, not demonic, but another supernatural being that's associated with human culture, the human zeitgeist.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it was still humanoid, but it see people like be portraying the beast in the bad of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this giant like that's, you know, sexual predator.
[SPEAKER_02]: but wasn't actually doing anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bookie man, this is, I kind of wonder if humans have, there's entities attached to humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are our bookie man, the things that go bump in the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: They may be not, they may not be evil creatures.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd say in their good creatures, but they may not be evil, they just may be creatures that are associated with humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if Spring Hill's Jack was one of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like a creature created in the subconscious, or something?
[SPEAKER_05]: with, like, the collective conscious of fears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And becomes that and it becomes the boogeyman for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_05]: Back with boogeyman.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that line of the, and then there's other people that think it was an alien that he's been an alien visiting because he, everything with the, the tightly suit and the fishbowl head, it's found very, very alien.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's odd, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... or interdimensional or stuff like that and is flowing fiery eyes there's people to say there's probably lights and you know at the time when they're using oil gas lamps or like street lights and stuff you know bright high powered even an LED light at the time would have just looked like the fires of hell probably yeah i mean from using the oil or a gas lamp will flame yeah it would be intensely bright yeah for sure
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, we're kind of spoiled with all of the LZ and all the stuff we have now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Imagine modern technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine it was a halogen late.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why the women died.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's what they busted open.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because they've never seen a halogen late.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they got, uh, it just, uh, scared them to death.
[SPEAKER_05]: It burns!
[SPEAKER_05]: They do get hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but you like driving on the road, it like burns your face.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, though, the blue bulbs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, gosh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can't stand that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then you flickin' on, like, hey, turn your brights off.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then they really blind you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, ah, the sun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you had to make, if you had to pick.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I don't think it's just a guy in the costume.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll say that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can eliminate that off my list.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do think it's some kind of supernatural,
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I where I draw like, you know, we're not what's at the fence.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm on whether it's a summon being or it's a human being that's converted themselves or if it's just something that interdimensional all entirely, I, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Some from somewhere else and just ended up here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't really know where to put my finger on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: With my idea, if this is, let's say an actual creature that maybe that's what one off saw is that they are the last of the creatures in the dark, the last of the things that you mean, you know, this has been the time I think we're most of them started dying out, because they couldn't survive anymore, whatever they feed on, whether it's human fear, whatever it's just becoming impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if the Spring Hill Jack ended around the 1930s, let's say 1930.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oddly enough, in 1933, it seemed like a different creature picked up the mantle of Spring Hill Jack here in America.
[SPEAKER_05]: What would that be?
[SPEAKER_02]: in December of 1933, and continuing into 1934 in the Alant, or sorry in Virginia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Several encounters, but they seemingly similar figure to Spring Hill Jacks, are done full.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether the bizarre occurrences are a connection to Spring Hill Jack, or not remains a point of speculation.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were, though, it appears most certainly connected.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many of their features, the present of a sickly sweet odor, and were in the prescience of what looked like a woman in high-hilled shoes in many of the locations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although some of the reports have surfaced in recent years, the majority of them appeared in newspapers at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first report encountered, uh, Brad 10 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: with December 22nd, 1933.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the night in question, the town of, hey, market town, a market town, Carl Huffen, Huffman, was at home with his family and his wife, and he claimed to have noticed and
[SPEAKER_02]: They just sitting there, they start smelling really weird odor.
[SPEAKER_02]: A moment later, she began to feel decidantly unwell, like they're being like, like now there's something happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to faint eventually Mrs. Huffman decided to retire to the bed for that evening, but she's like, I got to go lay down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dad and the kids are still downstairs doing whatever she goes and lays down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Carl, meanwhile, rain downstairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He suspected the strange smell was a result of a prankster.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was intent on catching them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's outside, like, where is he's darn kids?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sprayin' hoop sprayin' my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, is that what the smell smell like?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sickly sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, you're a smell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you probably have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, uh, well, from out of hiding, it was probably the one that most people smell of the smell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not super strong from out of hiding the edge of from out of hiding.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's most sickly sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when it you're not standing over top of it, but you're standing in the room with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So like, uh, or like in school when you're walking down the hallway towards the science room.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's sickly sweet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I know what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he suspected it was a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: To begin with, nothing out of the ordinary took place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then around a half hour later, Carl noticed another way of the intense odor seeping through his living room.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, he ventured outside and crossed over who his neighbor's house.
[SPEAKER_02]: or something moved outside the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: It scared me a lot of was the mad gaser.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that's just me, Mr. Henderson in order to use his head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, sorry, his landline telephone to report the Institute of Police.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he went all the way, he's like, I'm going to, I got to call the cops in Mr. Henderson has a phone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, they went all the way over to call the cops.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I short time later, just before midnight officer, the lemon.
[SPEAKER_02]: No joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lemon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I arrived at Huffman's Hout home.
[SPEAKER_02]: He searched around the property but didn't find anything to suspicious or anything out of the ordinary.
[SPEAKER_02]: And after speaking with the family, he went on his way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Confident to whoever whatever had been outside their home is now gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, no more than an hour later, the intruder had returned.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time, with the consequences much worse to follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of Hupman's children, Alice, began complaining about having severe trouble breathing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The family called Dr. Driver, who promptly attended to the property, were, and fully, he had to utilize artificial respiration to fully revive her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he had like, there's like, the pump bags.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was just a matter of mouth mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a pump bag at a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, she's that, she's that sickly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: although she did eventually make a full recovery.
[SPEAKER_02]: While this would happen in Carl and another neighbor searched the immediate area, even claimed to see what appeared to be a man running through the area in the dark.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, busted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Strangers still.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also discovered strange markings on the ground that appeared to be that made by like a woman's high heel shoes just massive.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they're prints they saw running away like the prints that they could see it look like a like the best thing they could describe is a woman's high heel shoe at the front and then a big piercing thing into the ground.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's a duke law.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a duke law.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what was I saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and still these impressions were discovered close to the windows where the determined the gas had entered the Huffman's homes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So underneath the windows where the gas was, they were getting, they were these guys were standing there.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's where they found the giant lady running away in her high heels.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the mad gas or was a lady, huh?
[SPEAKER_05]: Who would have thought what a twist?
[SPEAKER_02]: What a twist.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we were about chicken when they did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, with, uh, and not so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they see this giant appears to be a woman running away.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to think of who's a giant woman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, uh, what's your name van beer and bait, uh, and a van.
[SPEAKER_05]: Beer, no, anabates.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anabates.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are anabates and heels running around out here.
[SPEAKER_05]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Putting smart spraying to people's houses.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe she was just putting her cheeks up to the window and if you were a giant though, like the BFG, imagine if he did that to your house, that would probably be stirring on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's take up the whole place.
[SPEAKER_02]: So nothing happened for a couple days, but two days later around 9pm on Christmas Eve.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clarence Hall, along with his wife and two children returned home after attending the evening's church service.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clarence went about looking for the source the odor going from room to room and as he did so by the time you were turned to the rest of the family It'd be good to feel really really unwel so he's walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like just checking out and he's like getting dizzy when he's coming back and he's just like I don't feel so good mr. Stark
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so much so these started just really, really struggled and remained upright.
[SPEAKER_02]: So his wife kind of had to like, he's about to faint.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's straightening him up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he was getting ready to go down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Within a moment of venturing outside, however, the effects appear to immediately wear off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like once he got fresh air as long as he got air, like he got air back to his head.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as he did the whole reported that what had happened to the police, so he went outside and he's like, uh, this is bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this is bad gas, whatever's in this house is bad, it's by a place officer who dispatched the property as well as doctors who immediately noticed a pungent sweet smell in the air of the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: When police inspected the property, they discovered a nail was missing from one of the windows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lingling them to determine it's likely where the gas had been introduced into the whole
[SPEAKER_02]: Must have been well, that's what they think right leading the determinants where the gas in our yeah What more a neighbors told the police that they had seen dark big a dark figure close the home Certainly before the family had returned home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, they first they just thought it was their neighbor Yeah, but then like while he went home until then then there was there was a dark figure walking back and forth around the house We just thought it was Mr. Hall
[SPEAKER_02]: another strange incident unfolded three nights later on the eating of December 27th and trouts of ill.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I would live, trouts of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Mr. Kelly noticed a car driving back and forth past his house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there's what it's he doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just seeing this car creeping back and forth as if someone who is searching for something not long after the now familiar to the police not just Gas seemed to be entering the property one of the neighbors managed to know part of the license plate number But it was not enough to us to start assisting with the investigation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but they only got a partial plate So they really couldn't tell me what was but before the gas started entering there was a car driving back and forth as if it was searching for something
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether that car, so I've watched a lot of stuff in that car, whether he was dropping and picking off the mad gasser, or he seen something weird, that was a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of researchers think the guy was just driving, seen something weird, and then couldn't really tell and he was like, oh, I'm being weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sir.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then drove off.
[SPEAKER_05]: Circle on around.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of done that before.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I think you do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Drive back and forth.
[SPEAKER_05]: You have?
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm just picking.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I was gonna say I've like win like all the time Give a good example, but I want to know now, but I've done that for especially like looking for our dogs When our dogs used to Travel they would go on their little adventures, but I drive back and forth like that's out in the country, too So it's a little different, but still even live in out in the country like I do That when you see cars just kind of Especially in the country creeping back and forth
[SPEAKER_05]: you get pretty suspicious very fast because it's just not like a common thing people do out out there, but it's not to say people don't just do it, especially looking for stuff because it just happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm guilty of it myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it doesn't necessarily the car could have played a factor, might not at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the time, our butt at the time, there was an intense interest in the stringent counters by the Virginia media with several newspapers running stories on the attacks, at least in little time to highlighting how a few leads the police hadn't had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they're making fun of the police, so I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a guide dubbing gas trying to kill people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and the police haven't no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Amateurs.
[SPEAKER_02]: This in turn led to a sense of anxiety that's printed the community.
[SPEAKER_02]: It caught like wildfire.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's like, there's a guy that's been poisoned gas in our houses in the cops can't catch them.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a paranormal monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they didn't even, and I heels.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't even go to paranormal yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Have they?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not really.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you're just filling in the gaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... so yeah news so heightening how they had intern uh... so eventually this turn into giant groups of vigilantes roaming the streets at night sweet that's pretty cool basal bats and rifles we need to get back to those times uh... as nineteen thirty three ended the attacks appear to slow down and perhaps even cases all together
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, then however, a week or so later, they began to heat up once again, they're back around 10 pm on the evening of January 10th, 1934.
[SPEAKER_02]: The daughter of Homer Holtin was at her parents home in hay market town with her young baby are with her young baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: While her husband was out of town, she heard strange noises coming from outside the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: of more concern, she was hearing sales was to just somebody was trying to gain access into the property through the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's terrified, she's by her home by herself with her tiny baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm trying to break in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, here's somebody trying to break in the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_05]: Mad Gasser.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, as Jay alluded, the aroma of strange gas reached her nostrils.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it really was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she started feeling, she said she felt as if a feeling of numbness was starting to sprint the ur body and she was losing control.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, she reached for her baby and ran outside away from the potentially toxic gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, both her and her child were unharmed and fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Later that evening, another resident in the area, Mrs. Kinsey, reported a very similar incident hearing the window rattle and then getting hit with this get aroma.
[SPEAKER_02]: One or once more, following the events of Haymarket Town, things seem to quite quiet down again.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, on the evening of January 16th, another report surfaced.
[SPEAKER_02]: One night in question, Mrs. Duval was at home with when she noticed a strange
[SPEAKER_02]: Even stranger, you're sorry, Mr. Duval.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even stranger.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows a tall, extremely dark figure outside of the property and probably gave chase to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have that, right away, the Terminator, after this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: T2.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before he could reach it, though, he saw the figure get into a parked car and it was seemingly waiting for him, which had drove off into the distance.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so this is maybe it's not so supernatural.
[SPEAKER_02]: When police examine the property in the surrounding area, they discovered what appeared to be the prints of a lady's high-heeled shoes in the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Close to where Duval had seen the strange figure waiting for the car.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, what if the high heels are just throw people off, too?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, here's some footprints.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're going to be looking for a lady, and it's this dude the whole time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gas and people on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's to say it's not a lady?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm just saying what if they are like wearing the high heels as cover, so you could be so you are looking for a lady she could it could just be a lady in high heels, I could be or could just be that three nights later, while sitting at her home on the by her window in the eating of January 19, this is campbell knows strange gas spreading throughout the building, which caused her to immediately feel super unwell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Only two nights later, around 9 pm on January 21, Mr. and Mrs. Crawford, known as a strange smell spreading throughout their property.
[SPEAKER_02]: Only a moment later, both of them felt extremely ill.
[SPEAKER_02]: They managed to report the incident to the place, but nothing was sufficient was found when they arrived.
[SPEAKER_02]: The attacks, though, continued.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so far, there's been dozens of people that have just, most of them haven't even seen anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just get the strong gastroenter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: The only one that's seen anything was that guy that chased after.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's been, there's been people that have seen dark figures and often the distance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the window is messed with their tampered with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: During the following evening on January 22nd, three separate attacks unfolded with three separate properties.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a two miles apart during a course of an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say that again because that was a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: three separate attacks on three separate properties that were each about two miles apart during the course of an hour.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's impressive.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you see how do we run the one?
[SPEAKER_02]: But not necessarily.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that doesn't have to.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that doesn't have to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're going to be moving two hours.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're going to be looking to our six like, uh, uh, I don't know, ten minutes to walk or to jog two hours, takes ten minutes to walk.
[SPEAKER_05]: Two, no, no, two miles sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what I was thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moreover, upon reporting the instance to the police, all three of them when it's reported almost identical symptoms to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meaning the attacks were almost certainly connected.
[SPEAKER_02]: During one of the police responses, a strange, dark figure was seen and chased through nearby woods.
[SPEAKER_02]: It disappeared leaping away before it could be apprehended.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and I was way off.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's more like 14, 15 minutes for two mile walk.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, I don't know why I was thinking, I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking like one mile.
[SPEAKER_02]: The following morning at 4 o'clock 30 a.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: of the same night, Mrs. Hartshell returned home after having visited a friend and discovered it strange gas like smell failing her home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even strangers, she discovered a small pile of wood that had been intentionally placed behind the front door inside the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: As if someone wished for her to prevent her or her family from leaving the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't get out if they were in the house.
[SPEAKER_05]: They couldn't get out right at one of them in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps indicating what they believe the hotel family was home at the time of the incident, as well as suggesting, more worrying for the family of the tax, we had been physically inside the home that night.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were there in the home with what they thought the family was in the house.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: The gas in them, keep them gas in there, is it coming?
[SPEAKER_02]: The latest attack, or sorry, these latest attacks encourage the townsfolk to increase their patrols on the streets, just like Spring Hill Jack, with now the Troves, it was hard to not see people looking for the Matoon gasser.
[SPEAKER_02]: Journal anxiety intensified even more so over the whole area.
[SPEAKER_02]: These vigilante tight patrols were concerned or very concerned to local police.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're like, uh, they're going to kill each other because we're just going to get spooked and start shooting the suit and that's whoever's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who to begin with had viewed the patrols or had had viewed the person behind these strange attacks is nothing more than harmless if ill advise prankster.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like cops are just like, it's just a guy being funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he though?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it's just typical American police.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like not American police.
[SPEAKER_02]: American police departments, so they should like, I don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Got you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, tell somebody like, you know, knocks on your door.
[SPEAKER_05]: He answered, hi, it's a gas man.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're gonna read your mirror.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's blown away.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you said gasman.
[SPEAKER_05]: I got him.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says like suburban propane on his shirt Starts broke around oops now.
[SPEAKER_02]: However with the tax increase in in intensity and with the distinct lack of leads I've just who was behind him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They began to take these strange events a little more seriously But this is the point where they're like I guess we got to figure out who's doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I maybe Gosh because they're just gonna kill each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: On the evening of January 25th at 9 p.m., Chester Sendin was at home in bed with his dog, and his dog became suddenly extremely agitated like, like he's being poisoned.
[SPEAKER_02]: He began pacing and barking and had detected something or someone outside the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: He immediately got out of bed and reached for his gun, as you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then headed to the front door, intent on apprehending and whoever was trying to enter his home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: As he opened the door, he immediately noticed a strange figure moving across his garden.
[SPEAKER_02]: He raised his weapon and he fired.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So didn't even really take a second to look.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, the shot missed the target, he said.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he returned inside his home to retrieve more ammunition to reload the weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, by the time he returned to the doorway, whoever was there was gone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, that's how this stuff works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're not going to stand there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: You got missed by a rifle and he's just going to stay.
[SPEAKER_05]: What is gone?
[SPEAKER_05]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that would be kind of you expect him there.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it was his right by your head.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just some kid like hop in the fence to get to his girlfriend's house or I got the cops called me for not that specifically, but being in the neighbor's yard.
[SPEAKER_05]: My friends grandma's house.
[SPEAKER_05]: She was our babysitter just looking for a baseball lady.
[SPEAKER_05]: She called the cops on us.
[SPEAKER_05]: At least you didn't shoot.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're spring.
[SPEAKER_05]: How jacked it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Give me or the gas or didn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gas me in there.
[SPEAKER_05]: So.
[SPEAKER_05]: That lady's probably the gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Despite that, he reported to the incident to the police still who arrived at the property to take his statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also made several significant discoveries that they had speculated the area outside of the property, no least several clear footprints that led them to a ditched on the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the property to the road, where he fired at the intruder, please also determine that the perpetrator had used the trees around the property for cover while he watched over the property before finally making his approach where he alerted the family's dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: She could find his truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still there watching the property forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's watching this guy's house and then he when he started to make that's when the dog freaked out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: More over when he visited the home in question later that evening, they were called seeing a strange man who was heading down the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so when he came home, of course, whether it was the attacker or not remains up open to the bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just seen a guy that didn't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That'll mean nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you shot at him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Swirred.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with his car.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't know that guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, got the mad gasser.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was Stephen.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more, a brief period of an activity and then would then call him followed, did however, the flaired up once more.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the evening of January 28, Ed Stanley was out home and he's actually the guy that made Stanley Cups.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I have no idea how to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ed Stanley was at home with his wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: He three kids when they noticed a certain aroma of strange gas, like substance, almost immediately they all began to feel dramatically unwell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Causing him to venture outside and he get away from the seemingly toxic gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: As they did so, they all reported to see dark figures heading away from their house towards the Blue Ridge Mountains.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seeing this, Stanley return inside his property would treat his shotgun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he comes back out, it's powered by this time, the figures had ran way, way, way too far away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at least four, they, at least seeing four figures.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this time they had four people up at around the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not just one.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are, sorry, I already read that.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the bizarre slightly unsettling twist, though, Stanley insisted that he could hear strange voices coming from this surrounding woodland for several hours afterwards, as if there were people just standing in there chanting or talking.
[SPEAKER_05]: Big foot, Samurai, a shanner.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the smell, it's it's it's skunky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: During the evening of January 30th, Stanley heard strange noises outside his home once again.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time with all the previous events still fresh in his mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: He grabbed his gun immediately and went outside to confront whoever or whatever was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, by this time, the attackers were no longer there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently scared off by the home owner, brandishing a shotgun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes it's only a need.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just wave a gun around the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a double barrel so impractical, but it just looks like it's impractical and unless you're like five feet from the thing, I want to engage double barrel, gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it with the double trigger where you can launch and both it's just listening up a podcast, they didn't understand how gauges work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I like.
[SPEAKER_02]: compare in a 28 gauge because that's a rare a rare around like why would he need a 28 gauge that's so big, you know, why didn't you just have a 12 gauge or something.
[SPEAKER_05]: The opposite.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, smaller number bigger bigger bullet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think like 20 gay e-gages are like for rabbits and squirrels and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you might just shred them or turn them to dust.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Turn them into a sock for little holes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three nights later on the eating of February third, the attacks seemingly approached their end.
[SPEAKER_02]: The nether distinct incident.
[SPEAKER_02]: On this night in question, Mr. and Mrs. Skogges.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Along with their five friends, or in their home, when they noticed a sickly sweet smell entering their property.
[SPEAKER_02]: They immediately reported the activity.
[SPEAKER_02]: The officers went to investigate the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: As in most accounts previously, no major discoveries were made, and they might indicate who or whatever was behind these attacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're making our remarks on the incident to the local press, Sheriff Williamson stated that no amount of imagination could account for the severity of illness is experienced by the shagans in their personal guest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Indeed, Williams offered as much information as he could, looking to get to the bottom of these bizarre events.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not least, or not least, at the least
[SPEAKER_05]: So they started tripping.
[SPEAKER_05]: So this is a little bit different, or maybe they were just exposed to the order.
[SPEAKER_02]: So either or you could take your pick, that's where most researchers go is that they sat because they were playing like they were having a house party.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were sitting in there like, you know, and then they all started feeling very, very ill before they got up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: staring at the walls.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is this remind you of?
[SPEAKER_02]: All these squares make a circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: This remind you of anything you ever experienced?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, in the paint booth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody know what Jay is talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: We were on a paint booth and the fan wasn't on paint booth for painting cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're painting cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got really high.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and my brothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: in your grandpa right no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, and then say it she opened the door, what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, when we got outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sorry, vomiting the second we hit fresh air because your body's like, there's so many toxins in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So many toxins.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that's, maybe they, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a good story.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just, these were, these were the nighttime house painters and they kept getting the house numbers wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were dyslexic.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were dyslexic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Paying the house, the people start freaking out and pulling out guns and they run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because there's painters in their house.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wear heels so they can paint higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It stills.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to read the rest.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're done.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is too easy, guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're just outside outspaners and their fumes or leaking away time outside house painters.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's night time outside house painters start 10 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way those pesky H.O.A.s.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, yeah, because I really, you can't have a ladder on your front lawn during a day light.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one of the witnesses, Chagus is nephew claim that he felt trapped inside the house after he noticed the presence of the gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like what they're leading to is like panic or dread or whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: In that from like some movie where they're stuck in the room, they open the window.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just brick walls and they open the door brick walls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, but he didn't, he wasn't actually trapped.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was whatever the gas was doing, he was like, makes him feel like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't get out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's like, there's a door right there, bud.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't leave.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can't use it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It don't work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lead nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not clear if he had become trapped because he was panicked or the gas
[SPEAKER_02]: So they don't know what really caught, which way the feeling was caused.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the happening anxiety slash panic attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: If anybody's ever had him, I've had a couple of more.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just dreads that's in fast.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought I was dying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't even breathe.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had one of my life and woke me up out of a dead sleep and I had a crawl to like.
[SPEAKER_05]: I crawled to my mom and dad's house from my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: crawled all the way up to their bedroom and wake them up everybody at home that sounds like a long way it's not far.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I'm just saying when you say that it sounds like it's a mile.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's not that it's it's five it's probably a hundred feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's a house right side.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, still is a distance to crawl, but yeah, it was a weird the way you said it just made it sound like it was I couldn't stand up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't even stand up here.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like my whole chest was caved in and I couldn't hardly, I could hardly breathe.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought I was dying.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is what death was like.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what's going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm dying.
[SPEAKER_05]: desperately crawl to him.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's you're good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the new angle in the Virginia case is slowly slowly start peering out at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really knows what happens, but a lot of the cases have these high healed woman's shoes like marks in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was also a lot of people thought it was an insecticide.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the people that smelled it said it's very, very similar to an insecticide like pest spray.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't find any chemical containers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there was no substance really to analyze.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the people that say it just was like, it's, it's a mildly pesticide.
[SPEAKER_05]: What if it was just a peeping tom with really, really bad breath?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's just, uh, then this is even the Mad Gasser, Matt, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just predecessor.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Passing it no long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I predecessor before.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, before.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Fred.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fred.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: The pre-dict.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two B before.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but they're just some connections to Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, going back to Spring Hill Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people may think that his scary looking appearance may have been the effects and his paranormal abilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: may have been the effects of a rich elite, dressing up to attack women using chlorophore gas, to cause or other some other gas, to cause a hallucinogenic effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these bulging glowing red eyes and these looks and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, what, but that doesn't explain some of the ones that were like the girl, like haven't her door knocked on.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and she just opens it and it's boom there.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I could maybe see some of the cases sure, but but by then if he does it for the first several by then panic spreads and then panic starts taking over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then your imagination takes over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So after it ended, in the fall of 1944, in the town of Matoon, Iowa was subject to an almost identical gas attack to the Virginia ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this were the mad gas of Matoon comes from.
[SPEAKER_05]: Starts, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once more, these incidents were documented by multiple newspapers at the time they occurred.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they predicted, or sorry, the particular details run down became from a book called Mysterious America, the ultimate guide of nationals weirdest wonders, strange sports, and the creepiest creatures.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_05]: Adam Benedict.
[SPEAKER_05]: More in Coleman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay, close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, according to the newspaper reports of the time, the first document incident of these strange attacks of Matt Matoon occurred on August 31st, 1944, and a local resident could you not urban wrath, urban wrath.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like great uncle's name was urban, like urban spelled the same way, like urban mire.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was a football coach.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was just terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: He awoke due to a strange odor creeping through his property.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's same kind of noticing he felt really unwell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moments later, he began to feel intense nausea and even started vomiting, proming him to wake up his wife and say they have to get out of the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: She immediately thought the smell was coming from a gas leak from their oven.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she went down to go check it.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, when she did, so she realized she was paralyzed and unable to move.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'll go check the oven.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't move.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh wait.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've used that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's used before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I can't change the laundry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't move and I start singing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Seeing the rise and shine.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then I all the sudden I can move.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only had to do it one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys get out of bed pretty promptly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, sorry, sorry, where was I?
[SPEAKER_02]: They both remained where they were until the substance in the air, whatever it was, eventually dissipated, and they regained movement.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they were an older couple, and he was like, he was having trouble walking, he couldn't stand, he couldn't see, clear, and she was completely paralyzed from this gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, our minutes later, the abrupt effect of the gas finally were off when they got clean air back into their lungs, and they both returned to feeling as they should.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, they were profoundly disturbed by the events, as they should be, so they called the cops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Several hours later, on the other side of town, a young mother was awakened by the town of her baby daughter coughing violently in her bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, when she got up, to go get her, she found doing so took considerable effort, as if she was dragging weights.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's gas too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she just says, she's like, ah, like her brain, she's in a weird fog where she's feeling like she's dragging weights like her body's heavy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She abandoned her shelly though, managed to reach her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And took both her arch, both she and her daughter soon felt relieved once they got outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clean fresh air.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she like was dragging weights to go to her daughter and drug them outside and then once they breathed a little bit outside, they everything calmed down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Several other similar reports occurred throughout the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, in the events of the following evening, they put the town on notice, eventually total out of the ordinary.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was unfolding around them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Around 11 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: on the evening of September 1st, Mrs. Canary was awoken by the sick-sickening sweet odor, filling her room, with her and her daughter Dorothy were sleeping.
[SPEAKER_02]: To begin with, she believed the overpowering smell was coming from the flowers outside her bedroom window, so she attempted to return to sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, when she began to lose the feeling in her legs, she realized the source of the odor was likely much more ominous.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, she was unable to get out of bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: She called out for help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her sister, Mrs. Rady, heard her cries as did several of her neighbors due to the window being open.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of whom rushed to his sister.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so they were all like, she's screaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know, people are coming to safer because she's paralyzed.
[SPEAKER_02]: the poop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So over the neighbors searched around the perimeter of the property, and nothing that would suggest anyone had been anywhere near home.
[SPEAKER_02]: The police had also found nothing out of the ordinary and they attended the property a short time after.
[SPEAKER_02]: After this, Mrs. Canary has been burnt, returned home following his shift as a taxi driver.
[SPEAKER_02]: As he was entering the property, he was certainly saw a strange man crouching low near one of their windows.
[SPEAKER_02]: He immediately headed off over to the figure, who turned and ran, disappearing into the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did manage to get detailed description, though, offering the individual was tall, man, dressed at dark clothing with a tight fitting cap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although Mrs. Kennery suffered from the uncomfortable burning sensation in her mouth and throat, as well as her lips, she was otherwise unheard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when the police suggest in part because the family had a substantial amount of money at the home, it's in it was attempted robbery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the perpetrators were trying to basically like gas her out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, so they can get in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they got caught so they ran away mid-robbery.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was, though, the first of many of the stringing cases of the town of Matoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: The several very similar ports reached the place over the coming days.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, it was the encounter in the evening of September 5th that resulted in the locals, then the state and eventually national media began to take this intensive interest in the evenings unfolding in Illinois.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not least, as the police appeared to have, located at a piece of physical evidence at the location of the incident.
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, finally.
[SPEAKER_05]: we got some tangible deti to somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a spring heel.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now come on.
[SPEAKER_05]: What was it actually?
[SPEAKER_02]: Around 10 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: the night before, uh, Bula cords and her husband, Carl arrived home after an evening out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They entered their property through the back door and spent several minutes inside before Bula had made her way to the front door of their property in order to unlock it.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, before she did, she noticed a strange, white cloth sitting on the porch.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had not seen that material before.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was certain.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had not left it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: She opened the door and made her way to the cloth.
[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as she picked it up, she could tell that it was soaked in some kind of liquid.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was early, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: She then brought the cloth up to her face and an attempt to identify what it might be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: She felt a sudden jolt to her body.
[SPEAKER_02]: The feeling quickly spread the whole body as she became temporarily paralyzed, falling to the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next things, you know, she was violently sick, throwing up, covered in a burning sensation and her throat, mouth, and lips.
[SPEAKER_02]: similar to what you might recall with this is currently in some of the other cases.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Desperate or despite her mouth actually bleeding at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: She recovered completely with their apparent lasting ill effects after about an hour and a half.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gosh, I wonder what it was on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, some of them tough, like, from out of high, uh, of fixes to, so, like, mushroom gas for high, those chemicals, um, a fix to moisture, and that's why they're so bad in your mouth knows and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, because it's pulling the moisture out of your cell and it burns, believe me, it burns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so the police arrived to the property short time later, they searched around the property, was only discovering of a skeleton key.
[SPEAKER_02]: as well as an empty lipstick tube, although they are uncertain of these items, for a coincidence or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: When it was suggested that the soap cloth was like the used to incapacitate the family's pet dog, which found unusually to be asleep on the porch.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't wake it up and they were like, could that have been used to knock out the dog?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: This address, and though, moreover, was behind these strange events had been watching the family for at least several days.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point out, over the police started to realize that something strange was happening around the whole town.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the robbery was highly unlikely to be the motivating factor in these events in the evenings.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did only several hours later, after this, a short distance away, Mrs. Bruno, reported that hearing strange noise outside of window before she noticed the same strange
[SPEAKER_02]: She also reported, feeling an intense feeling of nausea and experiencing temporary paralysis falling issues trying to get out of the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: The following day, there was half a dozen reports of almost identical nature, so it happened all over town all night.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah, I guess they're right, the kind of rules out of robbery, unless they had a sophisticated team.
[SPEAKER_05]: This was just their technique.
[SPEAKER_02]: Witnesses started to claim, though, seeing a very, very tall, slender man running away from the properties after they had gone outside to investigate the sources of the smell.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, it keeps getting like caught, that's kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Spraying Hill Jack one to be seen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what it seems like it wants to be seen, but it also it's like a trying to gas I'm just so they come out and look at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's part of the ritual Maybe another witness reported even stranger details cling to notice a blue vapor like substance Entering their home as well as hearing strange buzzing sounds as if something was coming from some kind of machine
[SPEAKER_02]: The reports continued more and more detail surfaced many people began reporting damage to windows and windows screens people cutting holes and windows popping windows out of their things that either shove stuff into them for the gaps.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, whatever it is, it's it's physically happening.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not like something supernatural like.
[SPEAKER_05]: to agree they're open in the windows.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bit of it in while others claim to locate footprints on the ground next to the respective properties even stranger and more concern many newspaper articles at the time claimed that several witness reported feeling and sensation somewhere to electrical shock running through their bodies during these encounters the same thing almost all of people would claim to experience an encounter with this mysterious mad gasser they they'd felt either nauseous temporary paralysis an intense burning in mouth and throat
[SPEAKER_05]: sounds terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Despite the information of potential witnesses, however, the police had little to go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It offered to the suspect, our suspect is a single individual likely better than the basic or likely with a better understanding of basic chemistry than the average person.
[SPEAKER_02]: player saying that they've probably had some to mix he's either mixing chemicals after window he's a chemist or transport release or has the knowledge of more than a normal person because I believe this is the time where it pharmacists were still called chemist okay because they're still in the UK called chemist oh they are yeah you don't go to the pharmacy you go to the chemist I didn't know that
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so it's just propagandized here.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it just, yeah, I mean, it's just like, yeah, I'm going to mix up these chemicals and put it in your body to mask whatever symptoms you got.
[SPEAKER_05]: There you go, healed.
[SPEAKER_02]: At one point, there was a serious discussion about offering us a reward, the perpetrator's capture.
[SPEAKER_02]: But fears of increased vigilanteism cause this idea to be dropped.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they afraid of the people or each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're usually the same thing with the other cases.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just going to accidentally kill each other because they're going to get like spoofed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Tall guy, bam, dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, just, just, Mr. Light.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oops, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was walking down the street, but he was tall.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's just too tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Several locals, locals, organized patrol groups.
[SPEAKER_02]: They began to walk in the streets at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, always carrying firearms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least this night, the police were quickly to just sparse these groups, all of which provided to be a hindrance to the ongoing investigation
[SPEAKER_02]: Late on the evening of September 8 between 10 and 11 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rona Durskis was sleeping in her home with her mother, Violin.
[SPEAKER_02]: When a strange noise was coming outside her property, they did woke her.
[SPEAKER_02]: To listen to one more, the sound was coming from the bedroom window.
[SPEAKER_02]: Violin had heard them too, and was now awake.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both leaped at a bed with Violin heading to the front door, just in time to see a tall man running away from the property.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or at Roma, on the other hand, was given into the sudden intensive feeling of sickness and vomited on the spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: She also found that she was had difficult moving as if she was being like dragon weights behind her for a short time and getting the following same symptoms.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's got to be the same gas whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whether it's, it's maybe the ratios are slightly different.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, or just people have different reactions to it, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: The mysterious or was I?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: The mysterious tiger struck against over hours later around 2 a.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the early hours of September 9th.
[SPEAKER_02]: The several residents in the house woke up feeling intensely ill with strange gas pouring into their property this time they seen the gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and at the same night, a short time later, a principal to local school Mrs. France Smith.
[SPEAKER_02]: Francis Smith, a woke feeling unwell, and with an intense, sickly smell, even stranger.
[SPEAKER_02]: She claimed to see, coming through a window, a thin blue smoke like vapor, and it was moving across the room, as well as the sounds of something buzzing outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps one's more suggesting some kind of machine or device was being used to pump the gas in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: The following day on September 10th, multiple other reports reached a place with similar details this, so the
[SPEAKER_05]: Either they're running out of materials to use or they're switching the formula.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're turning it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's people get more sick.
[SPEAKER_05]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like people are fully being like dropping on their spot, being proud, like, shh, paralyzed.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's around this time that the FBI finally got involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although the reason for doing so remains unclear, as their assistance was not requested by any, any, ill-noise officials, they have to just show it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's if clue.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, at the same time, the commissioner of public health of the region Thomas Wright claimed publicly that there was no doubt the gasing maniac exist and had made several attacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: As many of the reports were nothing more than hysteria more and then more over the fear was out of proportion in the menace was relatively harmless gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the city, the, the head guy of the state for public health is like, yes, there was some gas tax.
[SPEAKER_02]: The gas is harmless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of this is hysteria.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just freaking out over nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the whole town was, he said this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole town was only second with hysteria.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, this is sounds like this guy might be guilty.
[SPEAKER_05]: He might be the gasser.
[SPEAKER_02]: But why he's saying this death battery is showing up hunting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, he's covering his tracks.
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean, FBI?
[SPEAKER_05]: Why are you here?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's harmless gas.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've already determined that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: What made the whole situation even stranger were the comments by the local chief of police about two days later when he stated that there had been like or there had likely been no attacks at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that most could indeed be explained by just hysteria people are you're just freaking out you accidentally smell a strange odor uh... from an industrial facility nearby your house and you're freaking out there's no giant tall man running away with blue vapor now this is giving us his hands the government likes lie authority likes to lie this is a sign that they're lying
[SPEAKER_02]: So as it went on, it appeared by summer, at least at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Authorities were preparing to wash their hands of the strange events completely, and simply deny that it ever happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: but reports continue to be flowing in.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the evening as I have temperate exam, our 10th, Mrs. Fitzpatrick, noticed strange gas entering her home from her kitchen window.
[SPEAKER_02]: Within moment she felt completely out, collapsed in the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he came to aid her, her husband experienced similar symptoms and they hit the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both would recover shortly after several others, almost identical encounters reported in the same evening.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're just, hysteria, it's just hysteria.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's all it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then the following two days were counter-free.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know reports at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the evening of September 13th, though, the final encounter unfolded.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Bertha Birch noticed I strange gas entering her bedroom, strangely at least, when we take in all the details from the other encounters, Birch claimed the attacker was a woman dressed in men's clothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aha!
[SPEAKER_02]: When she and her son went outside to investigate the following day, they discovered a peer to be in portions of high heels.
[SPEAKER_02]: She used to directly below her window where the gas was entering in.
[SPEAKER_05]: How did she know it was a woman in man's clothing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she was at 1944.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just, she's in her mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way a man could be wearing a woman's shoes.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, keep mind, this is 2025.
[SPEAKER_02]: We live in a very different world.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I know that, but even back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there was cross wrestlers or transgenderes or whatever, whichever one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, whatever they were doing, because cross stretching does not necessarily mean your transgenderes.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, okay, with the suggestion in mind, it also's worth noting that many of the male residents certainly those fit enough to have been behind such a sport of attacks or stationed at very military bases across the head states.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of these women, because it's 1944, while these homes have no adult men presence.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why women move back in with their moms during this time and that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: because we ripped him out of the homes too up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Goop sent him off to war.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it's second world war.
[SPEAKER_02]: There might be another reason to believe that the mad gasser and matoon as the newsroom reports often called them could very well be a woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one of the big thoughts behind this being a female was being extremely upset.
[SPEAKER_02]: about men being drafted or men being not drafted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, going to World War II, fighting dying, leaving.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were using supposedly a harmless gas, the cost panic to get their men home.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one thought is it was a housewife that locally doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, well, this town is being attacked.
[SPEAKER_02]: The men need to come home to protect their town.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it's correct one,
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I would like to check how about we go check underneath all these homes and look for the connected underground tunnel system that's now it's funny you mentioned that so the FBI was watching this whole thing the whole time it was happening okay the FBI was never a quest to be there right typical FBI thing that they do right
[SPEAKER_02]: one of the thoughts is this was a government experiment.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm thinking testing on a town that had very little men.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just women and children.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm thinking to see what they could get like what the gas ratio was to knock out and not be noticed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, to what if there's something else mixed in with the gas?
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe it's not there to knock them out in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Put the render them unconscious rather than administering some kind of a sickness or disease.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be any of the gas.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could be any of like the Tuskegee experiments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's something that's the FBI was there basically monitoring it to monitor it and I wonder if the different types of gases had different things in them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they can kind of track see how it spreads maybe throughout town or but maybe this isn't a way for them to spread.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know biological warfare on our own people and what the government wouldn't do that with they check out dw's conspiracy to find that out so this has been sprinkle jack the Virginia gaser in the mangastard matoon all kind of went away they're all kind of combined together is this the weird heel like thing this tall gone you know dark figure yeah so overlapped
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I've seen everything where people say, so, I mean, for all of these, I've seen people say that this is a
[SPEAKER_02]: ritual costume that has been used for hundreds of like hundreds of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it all is roughly this not, you know, it changes throughout time, but it's like, um, it's like professional ritual garb for whatever group this is, whatever organization or secret society or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a part of the
[SPEAKER_02]: is causing fear as a part of the ritual.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of these attacks, and there's actually others, oh well, there's several things that like this to happen in Arkansas, Oklahoma, that we didn't even get to, which may be we'll get to later in the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the thought is that this is some secret society or some ritual society that needs a public fear scare as a
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether, you know, it was, you just shot fire, like the Spring Hill Jack, for example, shot fire, and the goal was not to kill that lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when she died, he was like, crap, yeah, too far.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you gonna tell anybody?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: like a like a monster's ink you know they just want to scare the kids and collect their screams yeah they're not there to kill them yeah except except i'll keep nap a thousand children before let his company die yeah uh what is it bridge water well water die die so yeah something like that troll strips
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember but either way you talk for a minute and I'll look it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's very similar situation, but Well with a lot of overlap, too, but I do think there might be I like the I was gonna say government overlap or government angle here, but I Be on the government.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously Even in light of recent events.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's made it more apparent.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's some but there's water news water news.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, there's definitely an entity that's
[SPEAKER_05]: uh... makes the decisions for our government and assuming that's around the world to uh... if it is like a ritualistic whether it's a costume or whatever maybe some a cultic practice where they transform into this type of being or type of shadowy uh... creature being that i don't know that's that can go out maybe they can but like remotely control it you know so here's my thing i don't mean i really think
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is just a guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I even think in all of these cases, if it is one society or similar thing in several societies, I think some of the early ones are planted stories to get it kicked off.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I mean, that's always possible as you.
[SPEAKER_02]: where you say spat fire say you just appeared and vanished.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then that's already in the zeitgeist right this is ritual magic and we've talked you mean we haven't talked about ritual magic in a while but like when we look at stuff like oh like they did with um hopscotch the hopscotch vails what's the happens yes but they did when they were looking into it all the new curcs okay where they were doing the big public ritual stuff and involving the audience and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I do think society is whether it's government or the people controlling government or even you talk about that thing on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's ritual magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And getting more and more people involved in ritual magic, so this is whether they know it or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether they know it or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not a new idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's changed how they do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But fear mongering is one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So making it, making it in this fake mod.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think these things are paranormal, but I do think they have some ritual aspects to it, which leads to the paranormal.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think even Springhill Jack or even some of the gasser's, it could have been plants.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the FBI got involved either because they knew that it's an occult thing happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an asset.
[SPEAKER_02]: They knew there's their buddies doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: What they call what's his name, the guy with the list.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was a government asset.
[SPEAKER_05]: He cannot be prosecuted.
[SPEAKER_05]: Was set him free.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was back in the early 20s.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, what are you going with in?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man, I don't want to put my finger or put it in, etch and stone, but I do think it's some sort of, I think it's some kind of supernatural entity that may be, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: Human either controlled or human pilot it or human created.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's just I but I don't at least as far as Spring Hell Jack is concerned with the other side of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do think there is I don't think it's just some random person doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a coordinated.
[SPEAKER_05]: like you said, ritual or coordinated attack on people, it's just, it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I think.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the gaskers may not have been supernatural, but I mean, I wouldn't put a past it being sub supernatural or using some sort of supernatural vehicle to get this stuff accomplished.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know, if that's even in a full audienceer, but it's weird stuff, man, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm starting to get to the point where I'm forgetting stuff because I've like, I was researching stuff for season eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this sounds familiar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to check our stuff and I'm like, oh, we have done that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to talk about that.
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