[SPEAKER_00]: with my internet, and I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely your way to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we just do it without you here?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: totally get I suggest that I think we have to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: We played that there's some funky going on with my internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we will.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not your fault, Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just definitely the technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's an episode I didn't really care for.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had so many things to make you laugh today though.
[SPEAKER_03]: God dang it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I love to, so I just want to them to focus on the family story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And leave her alive so there's something to fight for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uncle for Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll jump into it and stay in touch about your internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know when you get it fixed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk to you soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep this as happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_02]: No worries at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everybody, welcome to the Delta Flyers turning through the wormhole with cork dacks their good friends Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine and your host for today are my fellow trek actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I usually say actors, but it's actor Robby McNeil and myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi Robby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hi Garrett.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we're missing Terry Farrell today who was meant to join us, but for everybody listening,
[SPEAKER_02]: She is really sad because her internet went out and we have been trying to get her, you know, logged into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her internet is just, it's out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to be very specific, it drops out and comes back in and drops out and comes back in every ten seconds.
[SPEAKER_03]: So every ten seconds.
[SPEAKER_03]: we've been trying we've tried every every option using a cell phone mobile phone nothing is worked we tried telegrams we tried we tried carrier pigeon we tried it all and it just did not work so if she sends her apologies and she wishes she could be here but Robbie and I yeah Robbie and I we can handle this we can handle this and for our painter and listeners
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course you know you get the exciting bonus material.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today we're going to have a special guest in our bonus material.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the director of this episode, James Conway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good old Jim Conway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Conway is going to join us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for patrons, lucky you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get some Jim Conway even though we don't have our Terry Ferrell today with us for the recap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robby, we have a couple of birthdays, don't we?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our first birthday is someone very special and that would be Slack twaddle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Slack twaddle, happy birthday on October 14th.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's a nickname.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that could be, you know, you're given name, it could be a birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be a gamer handle, it could be a gamer handle, it could be their sports ball name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, Slack twaddle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Slack twaddle could be a military pilot.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's their call sign.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a birthday on October 14th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sluck twaddle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Say that 10 times fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have another birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we didn't give another birthday.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Vicky Williams on October 18th.
[SPEAKER_03]: So happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Vicky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have a great day.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's jump right into this poetry synopsis.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's hear that Limerick Robbie McNeil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: My Limerick for the episode shattered mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jennifer Sisko shows up from the mirror side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake returns with her and Ben follows.
[SPEAKER_02]: This will be a bumpy ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: Smiley runs Tarak Norr, Warf is ready for War, family feelings in any timeline are verified.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it flowed well.
[SPEAKER_03]: It got a lot in there, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got my flow on you see how you get your flow in today you didn't criticize yourself yourself beforehand sometimes you'll do that you're like this is the worst I know it is I don't know why this one float this one float very well can I just say right now doing this without Terry I feel like we're in a library right now
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not bad, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very pretty bad at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm proud of that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Written by Iris, Steven Bear, and Hans Bimler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just love that name.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so German.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Hans Bimler.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to say it sounds like a Will Ferrell character.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it could be, it could be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you can see Will Ferrell playing the character of Hans Bimler.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or Hans Bimler could be the captain of a, of a Panzer unit doing what?
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Directed by James Conway, you're good friend who you play golf with, guest arts, Flesha M. Bell as Jennifer Siscoe, Aaron Eisenberg as Nog, Carlos, Garasco, as officer, special guest star, Andrew Robinson as Gerek, and co-stars James Black as Helmsman and Dennis Madalone as guard.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dennis had some lines in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he ever had lines on voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very rarely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did he have a line on Voyager?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: He only did something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet he did have a line.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a question for the fans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, some of us wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: Change our mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us what you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: The mirror universe version of Warf makes his very first appearance in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking that when I watched it, I was like, oh, we've seen the mirror universe, but we never saw Warf.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happened before Warf.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... this is the only episode in ds9's mirror universe arc where so rock lofted appears thank goodness this episode establishes that jake was never born in the marioniverse which i thought was actually established in a prior episode but maybe maybe this is where they actually say it they lit yeah explicitly saying because it all doesn't know him
[SPEAKER_03]: like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_03]: Shifty one eye is what we can call him.
[SPEAKER_03]: We also learn that he's a widower.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was very similar to the character.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was.
[SPEAKER_03]: We felt bad for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this episode does mark the very last appearance of any version of Jennifer Cisco.
[SPEAKER_03]: No more Felicia
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, spoiler alert, but she does die in the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although it's not explicitly, I mean, I guess it's clear because, you know, our hand goes limp and then they hug and stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, we're jumping to the end of this story, but true, but it's not no one says it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one says it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, when we get to this scene, I'll tell you my thoughts on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there could be a Jeffrey Cumm's reanimator kind of thing happening like What are you never knows?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Each of the actors who betrayed Mary universe characters had their own unique perspectives on how they differed from their counterparts.
[SPEAKER_03]: For instance, I just want to quickly read this for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: An officer says of the intended.
[SPEAKER_03]: She and Kira are exactly the
[SPEAKER_03]: so that everything that Kira would do for her people, the intent does for herself.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's self-serving with a capital S. That's what Nanasah said about her character.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting way to look at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alexander Sadig says of his Mary universe counterpart, I want him to be the inverse of Dr. Bashir, like a doppelganger, the animist to his anima.
[SPEAKER_03]: but she wouldn't hurt a fly, but this guy is unstable, difficult, and stupid.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's description is the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, he's got a lot of hair, he's got a big hair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, call him meaning says of smiley.
[SPEAKER_03]: I picture him as being a bit dirty and scusier than the regular O'Brien, just because of what he's had to go through.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a trickster and there's something sort of CD about him, miles on the other hand,
[SPEAKER_02]: And find, yeah, I felt like, I felt like Callamini really enjoyed the smiley character.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it fit him almost more comfortably than the straight arrow Mazza Brian.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's close to, it's a little more scrappy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's closer to Callamini, I think it's a little bit added to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed very comfortable for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron Eisenberg says of Nog and this is my favorite quote.
[SPEAKER_03]: he was obnoxious and rude, so I played him like an edgy cork.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, this Aaron, also, I don't know if you know this, but Aaron Eisenberg, a trained martial artist himself, was allowed to do his own stunt for this episode, according to his man alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm thinking about that scene where he's, well, he came in, he's maxed in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's maxed in.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was no cut there, so yeah, so that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: good for Aaron.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you to the violent scenes in this episode?
[SPEAKER_03]: This was the second episode to receive a 15 certificate in the UK.
[SPEAKER_03]: As mentioned last week, we talked about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: The previous episode hard times was the other.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this one in a product.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's jump right into this jumping in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We start in the promenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: We tilt up off the promenade lower level to the upper level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Poor Jake is all by himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just kind of watching sort of moody seems lonely to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo passes and in his Odo way, he tries to be friendly, makes him small talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake thinks that Odo's trying to get him to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Odo's like, no, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to get you to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I would feel.
[SPEAKER_02]: The photo came up to me with his Kurt cold sort of gruff at it to be like, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did I do exactly?
[SPEAKER_03]: And anyway, Jake's like, well, you, you always used to chase me away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Otis says, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never chased you away.
[SPEAKER_03]: I chased Nog.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just throwing peas didn't he say something like sand peas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah sand peas tossing peas on people on people The little guy to go choker.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark does show up though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark comes over and Says that Jake's been there four or five times a day hanging out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So clearly Jake is lonely.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's missing his friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's feeling like
[SPEAKER_02]: disconnected.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Jake, Jake leaves in a half and then Quarkenoto have a little conversation which I thought was very ironic talking about friendships and Quarks like better, better not to have any friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is ironic since he's noto.
[SPEAKER_02]: are the bickersons who are actual friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are, even though they neither one of them will admit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, never.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they are the bickersons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jake had back to his quarters, walks in, calls for dad, looks over, and there is Jennifer Sisko.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mom?
[SPEAKER_02]: Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very happy to see who looks like his mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do find out in the scene that Benjamin Cisco has filled him in on the Mary universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he does know about Jennifer.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows about the Terran rebels.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows all about the mirror world.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just want to say right off the bat, it's a pleasure to see Serac in an episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's just so rare.
[SPEAKER_03]: So many episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just feel that if he was inserted into at least half of the episodes that he was not in, it would have made a better episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he always brings a good energy and he's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jennifer does tell us in this scene that the Taren rebels have won some big battle that they control Tarak Norr, which is the mirror space station, and then Cisco gets a call from Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to meet the minister.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just docked, and he doesn't have much time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jennifer says, hey, I'll stay with Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we can all have dinner together and Ben's
[SPEAKER_02]: This is dangerous dude, but you're the dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've just your son, your young teenage son just walked into see his dead mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, all right, peace out.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's spoken like a true dad because you are a dad you understand exactly the dynamic that's going on here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So so many triggers like this is a dangerous you almost need like a therapist to engage this like yeah the way they they sell that to the audience is that in this scene you see that
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben Cisco has a bit of a crush on mirror universe Jennifer, because remember when he leaves, he does that super awkward like goofy 15-year-old boy stare at his, you know, not real-life, Mary universe wife, so as he's leaving the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I felt like, okay, that's the way they're gonna sell this, you know, but you're right, any parent would be like, really, is this the right move?
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably not, it's very dangerous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's clearly got a crush on her, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: and to for him to leave to me just seems irresponsible.
[SPEAKER_02]: So immediately I was a little...
[SPEAKER_02]: questioning this story to be honest, but he does, he leaves, and we cut to the, to the, uh, ops, and we see the minister leaving.
[SPEAKER_02]: So some time has passed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the end of a three-hour meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, this is all a wonder, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is shots.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all a wonder.
[SPEAKER_02]: The shots starts outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: The group passes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It pushes inside the door, and Kira says, you know, great meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, and Cisco basically says, I got someone waiting in my quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's a nice one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good job Jim Jim Godway.
[SPEAKER_03]: We like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of meeting though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Three hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was three hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he comes back into his quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He walks in Jennifer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ask the computer, locate him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake's not on the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he finds this tool sitting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This like,
[SPEAKER_02]: He said it's by glass.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like a spot like a Colitis scope.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looked like the handle of a lightsaber from Star Wars Yes, okay, it is it's a lightsaber from so they left What a great Easter egg that would have been just leave a light saber right there Hey
[SPEAKER_03]: Look who we have, wow, wow, wow, wow, what a surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I freezing?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, guys are frozen.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're freezing again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you guys, ah, no, you're not freezing that much though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we try?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just gonna, it's freezing, but we'll try.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we just keep talking the next scene?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I can't hear you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's for us, it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I read my Zoom link.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I read.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to have to drop out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we tried again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tried.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We gave it a try.
[SPEAKER_01]: We loved you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for trying so hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, where are we, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're at the empty, he comes back in the lightsaber.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the lights, it should have been a lightsaber, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so now we're in ops and we've got Star Wars on this podcast now, which is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in ops now and basically Captain Cisco was explaining to everyone what's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like this is the invitation to get back there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kira suggested I'm gonna come with you and he goes, okay, so the away team it's gonna be O'Brien Kira and myself let's go let's energize, but guess what only Cisco beams out The other two is stuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know you can stop a beam You can suppress a beam.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did they do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: it's suppressing a beam like suppressing when you're going number one at the bathroom because like you can't really do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once the piece of the pee begins, egg and egg is hard to stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: So once the beam, the transports, the transporting begins, shouldn't that keep going?
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we have a warning at the beginning of the podcast that there will be bathroom talk?
[SPEAKER_02]: there will be bathroom talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I said number one, but I know you did, but I don't know how it's never explained how they rigged the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is another bump for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge bump.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've never seen that, Robbie, and any Star Trek, we've ever produced a part of or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a weird one, but it's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see them all start to go, half go, and then Cisco disappears, and then they go, boom, right back.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, yeah, they got the Heisman.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were repelled backwards, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: They were repelled back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we cut into the terror ignore ops from a different angle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, that was a smart thing Jim did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was beam them out from a front angle, and then beam Cisco in from the back angle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: To show the differentiation between the two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Francisco beams in by all by himself and they're smiley welcoming him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Francisco's like, I'm just here to get Jake and get out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And smiley says, no, not possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Jake's not leaving and neither are you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's some guards come in.
[SPEAKER_02]: They disarm him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back, Captain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we go in the attendance office, which now smiley is the boss of.
[SPEAKER_02]: While he's sitting in the captain's chair, he explains that they have the station now, the rebels have taken it, but they need Cisco's help.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they kidnapped Jake to lure him to lure Benjamin Cisco over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He explains that they've got the defiant, that's somehow he downloaded the files when he was visiting DS9 the last time.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they've built it, they built the defiant, the rebels have got one, but they need Cisco to stabilize it, because it keeps the hole or something keeps shaking too much whenever they power it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've got four days.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco's like, oh yeah, I did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That happened to us, we fixed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, smile is like, how long did that take?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says two weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we already know, classic track,
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have two weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've gone four days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Captain Bashir arrives with his wig.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, what a wig.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's grumpy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's grumpy right out of the gate.
[SPEAKER_02]: super grumpy.
[SPEAKER_03]: What that line where someone goes like, we've got plenty of captains here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got everyone's here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: So funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does punch this go in the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I owed you that one because I let you punch me last time when I thought you were captain.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now, you know, we're even very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: The more I think about Captain Perciere, I just think of
[SPEAKER_03]: The way he comes off to me, he's a drunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just comes off the drunk one.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a drunk pirate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who needs to use some hair conditioner?
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs a haircut, how about just get a haircut?
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't even, what is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a stringy mop.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like a stringy mop on his head.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, they did not blow the budget on that wig.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what, wait, this is a 90.
[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie wigs and the 90s were not that good.
[SPEAKER_03]: First Captain Jane, wait, wake horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: You saw everything, oh, bad, bad, bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think maybe, yeah, you're right, they saved money.
[SPEAKER_03]: They saved money on that wig.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had to take knowledge to make a really good one, but they didn't go with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well we go to we go to quarks quarks on tarmac nor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mirror quarks and nog runs the place here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nog is talking because we can't basically sing to Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't be friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're too tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like tall people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust tall people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then he offers Jake a tall woman, one of the dogbo girls, like he takes good with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake takes good with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jennifer's like, uh, something to slow down.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a little old for you, which is funny because the parallel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: When Cisco was upset that Jake was with the double girl on DS9 saying she's a little too old for you now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the Mary universe mom is saying that about a double girl here in this reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco does arrive.
[SPEAKER_02]: He finds Jake and Jake explains, look, I really wanted to see the other side with Jennifer.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've been sharing my life with Jennifer and she feels, it feels like mom's alive again, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco's trying to pump the brakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know, don't make any plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like you're trying to make plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco's trying to stop it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he says to Jennifer, outside, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all that romantic feelings he had in the first scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: The puppy love is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Puppy love as it seems gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seemed gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They step outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: She admits it was her idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco's mad though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says that she is nothing like his wife and she's nothing like Jake's mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are nothing like her.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very defensive of his real world wife.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does agree to help them though, and he's just says, I'll help you, but leave my son alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is when we hear Jake from inside go, Jennifer.
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes, fine, I'll leave him alone, but he's not going to leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: which was cute.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a good impersonation of Jake, but you just did.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you told him, yeah, he was.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's dead on, buddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the Klingon Bridge next.
[SPEAKER_02]: And first we see the Klingon ship from outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the biggest Klingon ship I've ever seen in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: How is that even possible?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never, like a, like a,
[SPEAKER_02]: it's like a death star.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to look like it's because it's showed and the reason why we're saying it's huge is because you see reference with the other bird of praise that are around it, which are tiny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looked like the clingon ship looked like a modern-day cruise ship and everything else looked like little dingy's next to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like what is happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was enormous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mass enormous.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut inside to the bridge though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It starts with garic being led in with a collar like it almost a dog or in a chain very reminiscent of Star Wars when Princess Leia is held by job of the hut and she has the same chain and neck collar.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of Star Wars references in this
[SPEAKER_02]: But we do reveal warf, mirror, warf for the first time, the region.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the region.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am the region.
[SPEAKER_02]: He blames garrick for losing Tarkin' R basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, you're the only officer who escaped, the rebel takeover, and you're gonna, you're gonna suffer the consequences of losing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Garrick in his own charming way, tries to charm war if I'm here to be of service.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, yes, he also tries to throw the intended under the bus the entire time, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he tries to charm him, and, but works as you're going to stay in chains until every single rebel lies dead at my feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we see we're kind of setting up the stakes here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Continuing, we go to the defiant bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do see outside of the defiant at first, and we see that they're scaffolding and all this construction, so they're still clearly working hard on the defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've only got four days, as we know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco's leading some improvements, miles is in the engine room.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it seems like Smiley and Cisco are working together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're establishing that Cisco isn't fighting with Smiley anymore He's on they're on the same team.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna help him out Nice nice angle of the engine room by the way with miles in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was yeah Some good angles that Jim did in this episode really did it's a good looking.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good looking episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, back on the defiant bridge, though, DAX arrives, walks up to Cisco and slap some.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, she says, that's for making love with to me under false pretenses.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was suspicious of you from the start.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've forgotten about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd forgotten that mirror Cisco and mirror DAX had a, uh, how did you, how did you forget that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot and the slap reminded me.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a joke in the scene where she says, uh, something like, if you ever touch me again, she holds the knife up to him and he, she goes, do you get my point?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and he says, I hope not.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the worst dad joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so cheeseball that joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my, I groaned.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not laugh.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even catch that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was completely over my head, but you got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got my point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope not.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was close to your real freakosaurus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was a freakosaurus level bad joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: In a corridor, though, we hear some screaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: We run outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Bashir captain pirate Bashir, zapping Kira with a remote control zapper.
[SPEAKER_02]: the attendant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's just got like a clicker like a garage door opener and he's zapping her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's suffering.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just like your description.
[SPEAKER_02]: A remote control zapper.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learned she tried to escape and she's got defense her.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, you know, there's a difference between interrogation and torture.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Kira gets up really close to Cisco and whispers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Help me escape and I'll make it up to you or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cisco standing up for intended.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say that's very humanitarian of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, reality should I be saying that's very bejordarian of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very bejordarian.
[SPEAKER_02]: or add that to the track dictionary please okay um she doesn't get very close you know offers to you know do anything you want so fill helpers gave and he's like nope I did like as she's dragged away she asked can I get my masseuse please please
[SPEAKER_03]: My serrani, yeah, my servents, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is going, is this where DAC shows affection to persevere in the scene?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a little bit of a hint of that relationship in the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is all by the way, this, you know, the mirror universe has a lot of sexual innuendo and a lot of, oh, yes, everybody's like talking about romance and nothing romance, let's just call it what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, can I just read a Jim Conway quote right here says that the mirror universe, it's dark and sexy and there's no subtlety over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: know there is not we go to clean on bridge clean on's detect the defiant they they're you know sending out some sensor readings and they do detect
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... the defiant garrick suggests that they increase their speed to work nine um... he says just trying to help yeah and wharf does not want to hear his suggestions um... and uh... and then garrick says i was just trying to be of service you know uh... with the intent i pleased her very much and this is a this is an
[SPEAKER_02]: odd kind of out of love field to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garic sort of trying to seduce or offer his body to worth and worth literally says you're not my type.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you catch that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like, wow, that's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did like at the end of the scene how worth, even though I told him to shut up and be quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, okay, increased speed to work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gary says anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're in, uh, I guess, Jennifer's quarters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guess what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jake has cooked.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's cooked chicken alasisco.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jennifer loves it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's delicious.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, she doesn't understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, she, she wants to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you learn how to cook like this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jake says, well, the Cisco men all have a cooking gene genetics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Cisco arrives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco is very tired.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, two tired to eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake offers to clear the table and he,
[SPEAKER_02]: He steps out and then Cisco sitting down and kind of rubbing his head and Jennifer comes over and starts massaging him and he's very suspicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, what do you want?
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, what do you want to try to trick me again?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she goes, no, you know, I just wanted to know, you've done a really good job raising your son.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she admits in the scene that she has feelings for Jake and for Ben too, that she's, you know, this is bringing out her maternal and Yeah, you know, she lost her husband in the Mary universe and that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she feels like that Jake and and Benjamin Cisco are a son and a family that she'll never have.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's kind of vulnerable there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then smiley arrives says the alliance is less than eight hours away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look, looks like they've run out of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when we cut into the engine room, they're kind of, they're huddling to try to figure out what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax says, we need to buy some more time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bashir brings up these torpedoes that they can't put into the defiant yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got all these torpedoes ready to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax and Bashir are very swashbuckling these two.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like lots of sexual in UNDO, lots of pirating, pirate vibes from them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bashir says, I'm gonna help out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna buy you some more time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know exactly what he's gonna do, but he and Dax, the pirate couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: are going to take their torpedoes and go do some business.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to say, I don't even, I think when I was watching, this scene just completely did not happen for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel like it's skipped over.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched this on the plane flying out over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, they were trying to figure out what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sheer and dax are like, we can buy you more time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got torpedoes, and then we cut in the holding cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Kira's basically laughing at Cisco, you know, mid-conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco said we need your help.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Kira's like, that's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think I'm gonna help you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira's blaming Gareth for all of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco says to her, well, you know, Gareth's probably blaming you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're blaming him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's blaming you to warf.
[SPEAKER_02]: And warf is gonna want to take out revenge on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, tell me some weaknesses, help me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she reluctantly sort of says, yes, there may be some weaknesses, but, you know, let me out and I'll help you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he eventually gets her to admit that their targeting systems can be fooled and that these targeting systems that Wurf has and the clingsons have will chase warp shadows.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can trick them with your sensors, your sensor readings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cisco to me is someone who has a black belt in mental martial arts.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is able to get anyone to, you know, persuade people to give up information, just help him out, all because he knows how to kind of, you know, do that little thing where he pushes all the right buttons, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a, he's a, he's a mind ninja.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a mind ninja.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the Klingon Bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garic is being tossed around like a ragdoll here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Andrew Robbins and did some of these stunts himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not the first one that must have been a double because it was a big thrill.
[SPEAKER_02]: But after that, he was being dragged around, tossed around, war wants the key to the collar.
[SPEAKER_02]: which makes no sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, why is that so important?
[SPEAKER_02]: The things already on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you taking it off?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, even Gary says, like, why would I, where would I go, even if I had the key?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I could unlock myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on a, I'm on the region's massive, massively huge going on ship.
[SPEAKER_03]: How am I going to, I could probably hide because it's so big, but I'm not going to get away from anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is an odd scene to me because Warf seems to want this key so badly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yet, Garrick is locked in the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he wants it so badly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up stabbing Garrick with his dagger and then the sidekick goes, oh, sir, I found the key in my view.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found it in my show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the key.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was really just almost Monti Python asks to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, I mean, I guess it does show that Warf is willing to kill somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it shows that this is bad, bad warf.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mara Warf, evil warf, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the way it was, it's, I don't know, it just, the stab was, to me, it didn't even,
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so subtle that I know he went but he didn't even I don't know and then he walked out So he wasn't yeah, was he really hurt was he really stabbed?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was at a minor stab.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they pick up six Raider shuttles on their way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So watch out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll, we'll ensue with the fake warp signatures.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut into the rebel Raider.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's Pirate Dax and Pirate Bishir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being, they warp signatures?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like Pirate Dax's overall look?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the short hair and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a business cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: If she's ready, she is all business.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take care business.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does work.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Clingons chase the fake signatures and off they go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We come back to conduit junction and Cisco's working.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's tired.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been working hard to get this
[SPEAKER_02]: to find working, he's working on internal dampers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he says, Jennifer shows up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I could use a pair of smaller hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she jumps in and takes over.
[SPEAKER_02]: And admits that she truly cares about Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she wants some safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's going to take him back to DS9 and keep him safe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, you want to say goodbye?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco's like, no, I'll just tell him I'll see him back in the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: He may never see his son again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's in a myriad of verse about to be in the middle of a battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like to me, that was just, yeah, I didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, why would you, dad, I want to take a bite of my son who I may never see again, who I've spent four and a half years saying is the most important thing to me in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm guessing Sarak is of age at this point, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, you know, when you're younger than 18, you can't film a certain number of hours or maybe I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it seems like he would have wanted to say goodbye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she does admit here that, you know, we had a connection before before this, before I had to trick you with your son and all this, we had a connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, now, maybe it was never real.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I felt bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's,
[SPEAKER_02]: He's mad at her, and then she says, I better go get Jake home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're back on the Terric Norr promenade, Jake's on the railing just like that first scene, but in the Mary universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nod comes out of quirk, and it's just super rude to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And basically, Jake's like, fine, I'm out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a jerk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nogs like, great, get out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jennifer actually shows up at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, hey, Jake, I need to talk to you and private.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm not sure what was so personal that she had to talk and private, or was it just that she was getting him off the station?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's what I, that was it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's the way I understood it to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of sounded like I need to talk to you about something meaningful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's vague, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next scene is in the holding cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: It starts on Kira's feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It pans up her body to give us a sexy, you know, it's like Jim said the Mary universe is sexy and dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: seductive and mysterious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think the pan up was because she's about to flirt with Dennis Madeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of setting up the tone of her attitude of seductive that she's trying to seduce him, but Dennis Madeline is like you killed my family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would I?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why wouldn't want to be seduced by you
[SPEAKER_03]: Dennis Madd alone's lying.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says he says, you sentence my wife to death.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Kira goes, isn't that a coincidence?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was hoping you weren't married.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that life was very fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't try to flirt with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the person who had that he could be mad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Naga Rives, he's got this fake dinner, he uses the plate and the trade and knock out Dennis Madalone with two quick hits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, nog has learned some skills.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has, and as we spoke of earlier, this is Aaron Eisenberg and his martial arts training and doing this stunt all by himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nog, thanks, Kira for killing his father and uncle because now he owns the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very fringy of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very harsh.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he frees Kira, breaks her out of her prison cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as they're leaving, there's a big boom.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut to the defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: We realize that the battle is just about to begin.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Smiley says, thanks, Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've done what we ask, what we agreed on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, your man, your word.
[SPEAKER_02]: a man of my word, get out of here, go back to your son.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as Cisco's walking out the door, he pauses, turns around, and decides to stay for the battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, again, I'm like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you care more about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake or these mirror people that you have no investment in whatsoever?
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[SPEAKER_02]: I call bull crap on uh, he just felt bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just knew he knew that he knew he had a pilot that to find better.
[SPEAKER_03]: They couldn't do it without him, which is probably true.
[SPEAKER_03]: So his principles took over.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, okay, I can't leave these people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think those decisions in this episode were too easy and if he's gonna decide to do that I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're like a conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, but there wasn't enough time to put that in because they had to have a The longest battle scene ever in Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wish they had had that scene instead I would have liked to have some him would have been great.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know figure out
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, struggle with that those decisions rather than just agree with upside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I'm just going to fight with the gang that I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bet I'm yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut into a quarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira's on her way out and Nog says good luck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't tell anyone and then she turns around and says, Nog and he turns and she shoots Nog.
[SPEAKER_02]: from a distance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, she's not a little bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_03]: Naga is the third Frankie to die in the Mara universe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark was killed by Gerek in the episode crossover and Rome was killed by the intended in the episode through the looking glass.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as we've 40 mentioned, yeah, that's why he has the bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just so sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no frangies love.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no frangies love.
[SPEAKER_03]: They should have left in the alive dead woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to another quarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake's walking with Jennifer.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, you know, it's better if I just stay here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake wants her to come back to DS9 with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Kira arrives, bumps into them in the corridor.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a weapon pointed at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, Jennifer, you look as beautiful as ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: More seduction.
[SPEAKER_02]: She can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can't stop, she can
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, people, okay, I'm the defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're on the defiant bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clingons are concentrating on the station, um, and the defiant flies through, you know, as flying around the station trying to protect it, Cisco yells to, uh, smiley.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, pattern delta.
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles is like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is a pattern delta?
[SPEAKER_02]: So Cisco walks in through all the moves, you know, go right, go left, and it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Smiley says, that was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to remember that one, which I thought was a funny, it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a funny comic bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pattern delta, he has no clue what that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he has no clue, but he likes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He likes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we go to a corridor and Kira says Jennifer will get her safely to walk and make a great gift for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jennifer says, okay, fine, but just leave the boy and Kira is curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: The intent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep calling her Kira, but it's the intent, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Kira is curious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira is curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the intent is curious about why she's
[SPEAKER_02]: and she does say again, seductively, you know, this passion gives you a lovely below.
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes to shoot Jake, the intended goes to shoot Jake, Jennifer jumps in front, takes the shot herself, and then Kira's about to shoot Jake and says, hey, why is she protecting you and Jake admits?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she's my mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Kira gets it, her the intent gets it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, okay, okay, you tell your dad that I could have killed you, but I didn't, and he owes me debt.
[SPEAKER_02]: He owes me, and I'm going to collect.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a sexual debt, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, it's the intended.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything is sexual.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the defiant bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: The shields are down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Smiley just says, we should get out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should run.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we should run right at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, and O'Brien has a bit of a dad joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, pattern suicide.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the Klingon Bridge, Wurf thinks they're about to win this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it looks that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like shields are down to 40% in that previous scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: So less than half of their shields left.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the Klingon Bridge, Worf says, uh, Gary here and has been the rest of your life slaving in the or processing room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like Gary's joke here, he says, well, it's always nice to have something to look forward to.
[SPEAKER_02]: more common.
[SPEAKER_02]: They tried to squeeze a lot of comedy.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back on the defiance, Cisco takes the helm one more shot and the defiance toast basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says fly really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he doesn't say he's piloting now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is flying really close.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's skimming the edges of the the massive ship and and then he's firing and causing all kinds of damage and we cut to the clingon bridge and they can't
[SPEAKER_02]: get the defiant because it's flying too close.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't target them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't get targeting sensors on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're back in the defiant bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't look like they're going to make it, like even though they're flying close and they're taking a lot of stuff out, they're going to have to use secondary power for their af shields.
[SPEAKER_02]: O'Brien says you've got to get us out of here and Cisco says, no, if we try to leave, they're going to have a clear shot of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it looks bad when suddenly we see a big explosion on the cling-on-ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut to see Bashir and Dax the pirate couple together to rescue them and the teams back together again and the revelators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, we were late, but we were having Nucky, whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're back together.
[SPEAKER_02]: They start taking all the shots.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're creating all kinds of big damage on the clingon bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gareth's like, forgive me sir, my region.
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe we should remove your August presence from the battlefield and warfs like you mean retreat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Gareth says, yeah, basically, what's the level we should retreat very Shakespeareish in that line, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, Gareth is always very fancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dylized how we speak, yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Warf does decide to retreat smiley as shocked that they won.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, wow, we've won.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Cisco says you sound surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, surprise, I'm astonished.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not, not that I'm complaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they've won, they did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's still, that must have been so expensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: All those shots, all those visual effects shots of the bottle.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the kind of battle scene that I wanted Star Trek to have when I was a nine-year-old boy watching original series of reruns.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, why can't they have them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Massive battles like, you know, Star Wars does.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they didn't, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: As a kid, you want the shoot him up.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to see all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this episode, oh my gosh, unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: How much great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, back on the, the Klingon Bridge, Warf thinks someone had to have betrayed them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's the only explanation.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he doesn't lose battles unless somebody is cheated or betrayed him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and Gary says, yeah, you've retreated by the intendent.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're both talking about the intendent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, were for Grease, and, uh, he says, Garrett can dispose of the intendent when they find her and wereful dispose of all the other rebels.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he finishes the scene with a, make it so, which I thought was a nice callback to TNG.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very much so our very last scene is in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco sees Jennifer there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He still has feelings clearly She's dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hold hands for a moment and She says I knew we were still connected.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says always and She dies and then Jake and Cisco have a big hug a beautiful crane shot
[SPEAKER_02]: with her lying there in the infirmary bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to add during the conversation while we're trying to fix the internet with Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Terry did mention that this is the one thing she did not like.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wanted Jennifer Sisko, a mirror Jennifer, to remain alive, to have some type of hope for Jake or something to look forward to or just some.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I agree with her because this is a double,
[SPEAKER_03]: double whammy for Jake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jake lost his mom and now his mirror mom.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like ow and double ow.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's very painful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very sad and and I kind of agree with her on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't think she was going to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's appropriate.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, it wasn't clear to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I, you know, I think you almost needed to have Bashir or some or a doctor or nurse or someone to pronounce time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to pronounce it because it was not
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I watched the episode two times, and I was still like, man, guess she did?
[SPEAKER_02]: But she's needed a... She's dead, Jeff.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, bones, comment there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, we did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what's your theme?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your lesson?
[SPEAKER_02]: My theme, my theme in moral is living too much in the past can get you into trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a hard one to find a theme, but I feel like in the end, you know, was it worth it for Jake and Ben to reconnect with Jennifer, like it drug them into almost losing their lives, losing each other and the pain of, you know, this is not they're reliving grief in a way that's not exactly real grief, it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: fake grief in a weird way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is fake grief or it's a grieving kind of losing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like substituted for acting term of substance using substitution, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not the real deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: My lesson is everything in moderation.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the most simple form of it because I'm referring to too much sexy time equals counter production, counter being counterproductive.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a mess when it's all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's always sexy time in the merrier or worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I got to everything in moderation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the overall lesson I have for this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're right, it is hard to find one in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I found one.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is our Patreon poll winner?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our Patreon poll winner for theme slash less and slash more of this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: As submitted by Alex Ray is, you can't replace who you've lost, but you can appreciate who's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's the end of our, yeah, our recap and discussion of Shattered Mirror.
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