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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you know what else is helpful is having a healthy knowledge of science fiction and the whole genre and totally quits that to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we're going to be talking about today here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alex.
[SPEAKER_04]: The podcast really good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: In any case, I'm very excited because we have a whole sci-fi rounded table discussion for you today.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have three amazing guests, our fourth guest, Taki Soma, who writes the bucket alienated and fortunately is under the weather and couldn't make it, but that's okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have three great guests.
[SPEAKER_05]: Still for you and I'm going to welcome them in one by one.
[SPEAKER_05]: First up, he is the writer of Outerlands and Eden,
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the next, almost as good as tech.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, well, as people are going to see, we have a lot of M's on this squad, which I'm very excited about, including the writer of Boxed Welcome Back to the Show, Mark Sabel.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I excited to see you again, and the last and certainly not least we have from the adventurers of Ulysses Monarch, the last issue of which is out on comexology today, ladies and gentlemen of Mark Oganheim, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello,
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, that's sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's some sci-fi story, you're audio is a little crackly mark.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a little crackly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's making it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's whatever you said.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure it was awesome.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, well, we'll work that out in a second.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's been a big time.
[SPEAKER_05]: While Mark is figuring this out, why don't we go in the opposite direction?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm going to ask you guys to expand on your books a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: Matt, why don't we start with you?
[SPEAKER_05]: Can you talk to us a little bit about the books that you have with comicsology?
[SPEAKER_05]: Outerlands and Eatin' are both collected.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're both on stands now, but tell us a little bit more about the books.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just we have a basis for discussion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even is a science fiction, a story about characters get cryogenically frozen prisoners in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: They cryogenically freeze prisoners.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about this senator and her husband, who are wrongfully convicted, and they wake up during a prison break, crack out of their shells there and realize that it's been thousands of years and the only people left alive on the planet are all these criminals.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got to restart society with the worst of society.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Australia a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whoa, they're the origin of Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa Yeah, you took the words right out of one of my characters mouse in like yeah He says it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't this how Australia started?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, that's in development of Fox right now for a series for, uh, in development for 2026.
[SPEAKER_02]: So fingers crossed there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and my, uh, next book that's out currently, it just came out in on the 26th of August is Outerlands.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I describe it as a sword and sandal sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a, uh, it's about a Greek city state and a prince that discovers a massive conspiracy about Atlantis.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's very cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mark, why don't we go over to you to talk about boxed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So boxed is a, I describe it as a sci-fi thriller, or it's an AI thriller.
[SPEAKER_01]: The pitch has sort of been, it's a Blade Runner meat silos in the lens.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, near future, there's a, there's a government agency that's responsible for regulating AI specifically like super intelligent AI and the main characters and agent is named Frank Savage and he is tasked with what's called boxing AI which is instead of destroying it, containing it so that AI can't get out and.
[SPEAKER_01]: a super intelligent AI can't get out and hurt other people or take control of the internet that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the CDC's AI winds up just becoming self-aware and doing all sorts of bad things, he's forced to team up with his ex-girlfriend who happens to be an AI that he
[SPEAKER_01]: What would this pop this apocrat use which is this CDCA I so it's got AI, it's got pandemic, all kinds of really lovely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not topics.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the catchphrase.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the, you know, the reverse Hannibal Lecter.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to correct you Mark, but technically a reverse Hannibal Lecter would be somebody who throws up a full-time scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the general should have said gender swapped rather than reverse.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's too bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good idea for another book.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just barfed his liver with a nice kianty.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Mark, good I'm Mark G. I guess we'll call you on this podcast unless you don't want us to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you telling us about Elisys Monarch?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well Elisys Monarch is basically a shameless rip off of the Indiana Jones franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the ancient civilizations that he's excavating are because it takes place in the year 30, like 30, 20 centuries.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's in the far, far, far future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now Earth's still a thing, but we've gone the way of the minds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's having his adventures in the far future.
[SPEAKER_05]: in the adjoins?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: These are obviously a wide array of different books.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's hard to be like, hey, give us the common ingredient in them, but just to start with like, the broadest question possible, since that's kind of the point of this, is what do you think is like the most important ingredient to crafting a sci-fi story?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is it the science part?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is it the mixing with fiction part?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is it something else?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, when you think about the genre, where do you start?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it starts with the idea, not the idea for the story, but what's the idea behind the story?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the idea that the writer or the author is poking at?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think sci-fi is really great about holding up a mirror to society, but it's a mirror you can hold up because no one
[SPEAKER_00]: really thinks you're talking about society that they think you're talking about this fictional galaxy far far away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So or something in the far future.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's really like what's it?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's it the core of the idea for the story?
[SPEAKER_00]: That that to me is what motivates really good side by.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we're going to order a just jumping around, but I get from a physics background.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, the science being plausible gets me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of the first place I go is like, could this really happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it did, what would it look like?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I kind of start from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I start from the scientific idea and then build the world out for what the consequence of that would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how I make it fun for myself is because I have to give myself those rules a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like how plausible can we make this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Science first and fiction sort of a vegetables first and then I think it's how dare you call it the vegetables I like science.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like vegetables.
[SPEAKER_04]: Pete.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can like it all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a candy freak like you Mark Mark Yeah, I probably fall somewhere in the middle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so interesting Your science back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I don't but I spent
[SPEAKER_01]: Up until pretty much this year in the current administration, one of my other jobs besides writing comments has been working as a futurist for various think tanks where they've basically brought me in to help actual like real scientists and people in the government think about like what the future might be like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It help them think creatively about what the future might be like.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of my size spice stories come from that, and I think a lot of it comes from thinking about the worst case terrorist scenario, it's like worst case scenarios, not just terror, but like, and listening to sort of what what people
[SPEAKER_01]: what people who are working, whether they're, you know, in science or they're policy makers, like, what are they worried about?
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe what should they be worried about?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I take it from there and not, like, all science fiction needs to be dystopian or, or, you know, at all, but I definitely that sort of been been my approach in recent books.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're saying this administration isn't concerned about the future at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: The total side comment.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready to get to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to ask about how you become an expert in what messed up things are going to happen in the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you just thought about it a lot and came over the crazy scenarios?
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you been to the future?
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you been back?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how do you go show up in the government?
[SPEAKER_03]: Be like, let me tell you about some crazy ideas I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can prevent me, yes, I'll try to make this a short story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's a really good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is I read about the New York Times.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, this is over a decade ago, maybe 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're about the government, like after 9, 11, the Department of Homeland Security,
[SPEAKER_01]: after 9-11 was considered like a kept being called.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a failure of imagination.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people in the Department of Homeland Security were like, well, why don't we get imaginative people to join a thing type that we're starting to come up with worst case terrorist scenarios before the terrorist do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was a thing for a while, I know there was some, I was not a part of this, but there were well known, there were some well known novelist screenwriters that were all involved in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I had the idea, you know, about 15 years ago I did a book for boom called Unthinkable, which was taking that idea of like, well, what if a real,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, if a writer joined this real life, a fictional writer joined this think tank and came up with worst case terrorist scenarios and then what if somehow those worst case terrorist scenarios started to come true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wrote this book and aside from it, also getting me detained by the TSA because which is really as a true story.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is again
[SPEAKER_01]: It got the notice of people in that world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they kind of reached out to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been a really interesting thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, again, I haven't done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This administration just, you know, because of DOESN'T everything has just cut back on a lot of governmental programs.
[SPEAKER_01]: But over the years,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I always have an Oster syndrome being in a room at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, and I write comic books, but you know, but it's been really, actually, especially during, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever your politics are, if you've, because I've done it in a couple of administrations, like, it's made me feel better that there are people in the military and the scientific community and the intelligence community that do really think a lot about issues in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one that you wouldn't think are necessarily like typical military issues, like climate change for instance, you wouldn't think that people in the military care about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: actually they do because those are places that are going to, people that places that are experiencing climate change are going to become unstable and that's where they might be deployed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, say, did you hear about headsets speech literally today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that comment is accurate anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tough news today on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was literally telling the, the top generals that we don't care about climate change anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, well, the cut that part out in case of a list.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just kidding.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think like the point that we're going to get is Mark Saball.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they are thinking about this in the future.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mark G, you're absolutely correct that they're shutting down a lot of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: But this actually, like segway is nicely into the thing that I wanted to pivot off of with what you were saying Mark, a good hide about the world outside your window.
[SPEAKER_05]: a lot of people are missing that these days I don't want to say it necessarily these days maybe this is going out forever, but I feel like more and more frequently see things like people being like, God, I'm so tired about Star Trek getting woke and everybody's like, have you seen literally the first episode of Star Trek in the 1960s?
[SPEAKER_05]: the boys or any sort of piece of media so my question for you as creators is how do you how do you modulate that if that's something you're going for how do you make sure you are reflecting that role that's out of your window and it's clear but at the same time you're telling an entertaining story well I'll say I'll look I grew up on you know shows like LA law and
[SPEAKER_00]: They were about the world inside your window.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was back when we could tell stories about things that matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the start trekking and the veil of cover it up with science fiction and you can get away with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our corporate overlords are getting hip to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're catching on to that trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, I honestly I think it's just harder than ever quite frankly to tell stories about real things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, sorry, just to follow up on that though.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you feel like, do you need to push it even harder then?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you need to make it even blunter to get that point across?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the problem is, is that to make it blunter you risk, you know, you risk, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, so I think you've got to go more subtle, you know, and sneak it past them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: It feels like that's where the science fiction then gets like you're saying you're deeper into it or you're to sort of like doubling up your premise a little bit or I guess we're saying the same thing just coming out from glasses out full versus have empty, you know, sort of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny to me, like you talk about corporate overlords and it's like you look at like the science fiction of the 1980s.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, with Blade Runner, with Alien, and a lot of comic stuff like American Flag, the idea of the mega corporation basically taking the place of the government and sort of being in control of everyone's life's lives, that was science fiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels a lot like science facts to that, to me today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Matt Arnold is a tourist in those early meetings at Alienman played right here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Matt, I'm curious to hear from you from your work, because you do have, you are looking at different periods, literally in different, uh, focus of focal points, then Mark and I and Mark, say what they're doing, how does that affect your work, if at all?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, we're talking about the sort of political aspect.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, it's funny because both Eden and our lands don't, don't overly have a kind of political event.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're dealing with issues that I think are very universal and timeless, but they're about just the human condition and it's funny how
[SPEAKER_02]: so many of that, so many things that we do that are universal and now becoming political topics and there's sort of people are reading into that, like with outer lands, I was asked a lot of questions about my political, what I want, like what a political thing I was trying to get across and I was like, no, I'm just trying to talk about how like history is cyclical and like, you know, we're destined to repeat the mistakes, I wasn't trying to make a comment on those mistakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that's kind of an interesting way to go about it with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the mashup of historical stuff and science fiction a lot of times you find parallels.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of science fiction seems the most authentic when you can use a template from the past, like for instance, the one that everyone is obviously is that, you know, Star Wars is like American Revolution, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you can use those old templates and it makes your science fiction feel a lot more grounded
[SPEAKER_02]: I was playing with that, you know, in a big way, without our lenses, we're showing you how these worlds are mirroring each other in a strange way and how they will always repeat.
[SPEAKER_05]: just take a conversational swerve away from this for a moment.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did when I asked you guys because these are comics aren't obviously as an enormous part of equipment, the equation and 50% if not more depending on how you're considering it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So obviously you have the script, you have the idea you're crafting the sci-fi world in a certain way, but then you're hooking up with an artist and actually seeing what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm sure every case is different
[SPEAKER_05]: How much in these specific cases in these books that we're talking about did seeing the art start to change how you viewed the world if at all?
[SPEAKER_05]: And Mark Sabel, I guess I'll go over to you first.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I scared you up, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, by the way, if I'm not sitting that, you know, I'm not taking this over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sitting back from this on purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm visiting my mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in a different style.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're showing off a lot of hardwood.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: You and Matt, it's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my barman's foot picture in the back of my leg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aw.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody's getting a real look into my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: with him was actually was Marvel Comics and it was we had T-shirts but I wish I was wearing if I wouldn't fit me anymore but it said I had multiple caps, marvelous time at Mark's
[SPEAKER_01]: like, it's huge glasses, but, you know, quote by that, I had to wear it because I didn't wear contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Art, art, art, art.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for starting by sharing that before you got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So should we really please go around and talk about our bar mess for a theme?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I'd love that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't remember what my boss, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just barbids for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You just, the theme is barbids, but I don't, that doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember two of my friends roasted me.
[SPEAKER_05]: at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: For now, I came up and did like a legit five to ten-minute log of roast of me.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, I don't like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you went into comedy.
[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's how it happened.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, Mark, Mark, talk about art.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the art, let me just like shout the artist out first, this journey on that the art is tremendous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as well as Nick Flardy is the colorist.
[SPEAKER_01]: doing comics I would say like as great as it is to have something published as great as it is to come on here and talk about it is seeing the art come in and I have to say like you know I have just been really fortunate in doing this kind of it's been 20 years a summer like I've never had an art come in that I'm unhappy with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, and then it's usually, it's not what I imagine, but often it's better than what I imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: In this particular case with Boxed, Jeremy, I just can't say enough, like, I almost want to say he worked too hard on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But until he put in, like, I gave him some reference, but like, the amount of detail he put in to each panel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and
[SPEAKER_01]: like it's all a hand ink.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something I'm proud of.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's a comic about AI that was just really just done lovingly by hand by everybody involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but yeah, it does, you know, once you see the character
[SPEAKER_01]: I see them differently and they start feeling different.
[SPEAKER_01]: We maybe in ways like aside from their appearance that I can't even, I can't, I can't even necessarily put into words, but I just start envisioning it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's a project where the art starts coming in midway, which is most of the time, I will start writing to the writing to the art, like somebody might write to an actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that collaboration.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marci, any thoughts there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wrote the Adventures of Yulisis Monarch, specifically for the artist, Harvey Talibow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done an X-Men arc together from Marvel back in the day and we wanted to create our own project.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was an idea that I felt would really enuff play to Harvey Strengths.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even from Jump, it was written with Harvey in mind, just knowing his style.
[SPEAKER_00]: having worked with him the past and knowing how incredibly detailed he is with everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like the art came in and I started making adjustments.
[SPEAKER_00]: The scripts were based on the fact that Harvey was going to be drawing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Matt, what about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like these guys, I only have two books, so I have a more of a limited experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my artist of the John Felice is absolutely fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just was so impressed with everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Mark knows this a lot when we were writing for television or film.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't get the same amount of control to like pick our angles of the shots and the lighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as much as the acting that we want to sort of direct, it feels a little bit more like a directing job
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think what was great with me and David is we had a pretty good idea of what we will do and I had my script finished before he started so I don't think I wrote toward the characters but I think that he was able to really get a hold of that personality of those characters really really well and I
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, I mean, both of my artists have been Italian and there's just something about their art where they're really great at just human expression and just the characters aren't always so idealized.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of characters that look like, you know, weird and spindly or like, you know, they imperfectly, you know, wonderfully imperfect and I
[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like he did a great job of just taking the words there and figuring out what character that he created would really, you know, embody it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I kind of went the other way for me, but I couldn't be more pleased with what he came up with.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, go ahead, Joseph.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just going to say, you know, there's a lot of sci-fi stories, there's a lot of sci-fi stories in comics, when you guys are sort of putting together your idea, how do you know it's ready to be sort of the one that you want to really take out or make happen somehow.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: What is the special sauce and how do you get there for something like this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, for me, I do a handful of things which is like primarily TV writing and film and stuff, but when I think of an idea, I've been trying to be more honest with like what?
[SPEAKER_02]: where should this idea live first, for outer lands when I had this idea, it started with this image I could get on my head of a Spartan warrior walking through a post-apocalyptic New York, and I just liked that image.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like a poster image that felt like it needed to be something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was such a visual idea that I thought, well, if I just pitch this as a TV show, is it really going to come across to anyone, or if I wrote it as a script first, or they're going to get like the detail that I'm seeing, or I could write it as a novel, and I have time to write a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's a lot of character, like it really felt like this one was like, I really want to see it first as a comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want people to know,
[SPEAKER_02]: what that world looks like and those two worlds look like and the smashing up of them and how they conflict.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I obviously have just given away a big twist in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but I think that when I was writing it, I was like, yeah, this is where this belongs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is the first expression of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it goes somewhere else becomes TV or film or something else, then it's okay because this is where it started to look first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just how I try to think when I'm coming up with an idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to ask you guys about adaptation a little bit just because this came up here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know you just touched on it, Matt, but like when you're taking something like this again, and potentially are you thinking ahead at all to the TV version, the movie version, anything like that, or do you feel like the story that you've written when again, when it comes to sci-fi, when it comes to this broadcast is really hit its ideal form in the comic book form.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really curious here with both of these guys think about that and how they do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'd love to know how they go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, personally, I think when I write stuff,
[SPEAKER_02]: I do just have inherently the sort of the structures that are in-demic to film and television, like when you read the book, it really feels like a Susan, arc of a show or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's just because of the way that I'm used to, but things that I like, which are great TV shows and movies, and I think I just do that naturally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think about it like, oh, I'm writing this so that I can adapt it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think, oh, that's kind of naturally the way I'm going to tell this story because it's me because I love this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd love to hear how you guys go about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very similar in the sense that I can't divorce myself from the three-act structure, not because the three-act structure is what's typical in film.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because the three-act structures fundamentally what's in all good narrative.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's those Aristotelian principles at work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I never write
[SPEAKER_00]: with a conflict with an eye towards adapting it, partially because I think like I think you take your eye off the ball, you know, the fans can tell, you know, if the thing is the conflict is just a movie or a TV show in comic book form, I think the market has gotten hip to that number one, number two, I think you don't, you know, make it the best comic book possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, I mean, it's fine, I've been hired to adapt, you know, a couple of graphic novels of mine, like last fight out and, you know, to that to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my, my sort of weird thing is, I don't really want to, like, I don't really want to, you know, I've scratched the edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really all that eager to dive back in and sort of retail the story in a different medium.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is when I've done it, I've done it because, well, you know, they pay me money, but it left to my own devices.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would much rather see another writer, you know, take a crack at it, acting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, sorry, but that's so, I very much related at the one time I got through that, one of my own books, just great very vampires.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was very glad that they let me do it, but it never got made.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just I got sick, you know, like two drafts into this screenplay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, but it was really like seven drafts because of how much I worked on the comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say for box, it's a little,
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little unusual maybe for other writers, although for me, this is not the first time to happen where this story took place in started in two different, maybe through two other mediums before it found comics.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first close short story was a short story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So clearly, I wasn't trying to do it for the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I should say, that's the short story I believe is in, whatever I wrote of the short story is in the,
[SPEAKER_01]: is in the collected edition of Magic Foot Out, but so it's like back matter, but then I wrote it as a pilot and you know, look, I can't say like had somebody bought the pilot like, what I have come back to it, but it was nobody did.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got some interest, but there was another show that was similar, but like the stories, it wasn't, and I'm very, I usually get very suspicious
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a screenplay that didn't sell into a comic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, there's, I mean, sometimes maybe that works out great, but often like as a comic reader who loves the medium, like, I, that's why I'm hesitant to share this, but I felt like it was more like, oh, I really feel passionately about this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked to Jeremy about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, ultimately, it's the comic, it has starts out similar, but it's very different.
[SPEAKER_01]: For one thing, I wanted to feel like, although it could continue, like, I wanted to feel like a self-concene story and not a pilot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, there are just things that just work that I've worked in the medium long enough to know that there are some things that are going to work on TV that won't work on comics and vice versa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so, the original.
[SPEAKER_01]: bad AI and it was something that's a real AI called atsack, which is the traffic control system in LA, which is an interesting thing, but like if you think about it, like shown traffic stopping, like in a moving picture is a lot more visually interesting than like, what's the difference between traffic and moving in traffic stopping when you have a still image?
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I literally lost Angeles and I can't tell the difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, same, so, but yeah, but I will say I do think for me it was valuable to go through those different things where it was like, if I hadn't written a short story, I don't think I would have gotten into the heads of the characters if I had started it as a, as either a screenplay, you know, a teleplay or a comic script.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, getting a chance to work it out where, uh, sort of making mistakes in the pilot that were like, the artist wasn't waiting on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could shake, you know, it gave me, I think that process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you ask me to do another draft of it, like, I might go nuts, but like, to me, yeah, that's what it's about with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's this is anecdotal, but I feel like with the downturn in TV, it feels like more people are just making comics now and there's not that sort of glut gold rush or people like if I just make this in the comic real fast, I can sell the TV also real fast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now one element there has sort of gone away, hopefully not for permanent, but I think it's actually made it less of a stigma, saying that you're sort of moving through different mediums
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the television industry has responded with, well, here's a solution and we just won't make television shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you go make comics?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you just open it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the show's on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I actually wanted to ask Mark G, a question because, you know, sometimes when you're writing your stuff and you too, Mark, when you're writing your own stuff, a lot of times what the ask is like, what is your take on this?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, my take is the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my take.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I found with Eden,
[SPEAKER_02]: My take was basically to slow it down and to tell all the spaces in between the story because with the, you know, with the graph, not that you're moving so fast to plot, to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, okay, I'm really slowing down now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I've had the fun as a writer, is like exploring.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd like to know you guys how you went about identifying that like, did you try to go for a take different than your book and try to
[SPEAKER_02]: Or did you just try to give them what the book was in a different medium and was that was that tricky for you because I'm kind of right in the middle of that process now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with the tutored to die was funny, I sold the graph novel to universal off of a pitch that was basically beat for beat for beat for beat the comic, and then when I got into the draft, the producer and I realized, you know, we sold this, you know, huge massive spectacle, you know, that you can do in a comic book, but this is supposed to, we're supposed to bring this movie for like $40 million.
[SPEAKER_00]: you can't tell the story in 40 million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it was the budget of target that we're trying to hit that really necessitate an almost wholesale change in the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say the story is actually completely different in my script versus the graphic novel.
[SPEAKER_00]: just the initial, the premise, you know, elderly James Bond daughter he never knew he had.
[SPEAKER_00]: That remained intact, but everything else had the change just so that we could tell a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone always says comic books have a limitless budget, at least in terms of the visuals, true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that limitless budget becomes very limited when you're working for a studio.
[SPEAKER_00]: With last slide out, I developed it first
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, for Netflix, and then we're going to do it as a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I developed this, a pilot like I did make some changes, but they were changes more for what Netflix wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they sort of like almost the way like if you gave them an outline and they had notes on the outline, it sort of like they had notes on the graphic novel.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and wanted, especially in there with being a pile, especially things that be in the story coming into it in a different way, it's there, it's there, in certain respects, it's very, very faithful to the graph of novel, but you know, certainly enough looks and requiring some changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because Jeremy Han for people who are watching some of them don't know he is both a writer and an artist so when and we've been we've been very good friends for a long time and collaborate in various ways and so when I showed him the pilot and I talked about it when we were talking about working on something he had notes that were good not just as an artist but as a I mean I remember I'm trying to think that the specific things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than, you know, we both agreed like the sort of AI that was the villain in the piece needed to be bigger, wanted to be self-contained.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that, and I also knew like, okay, let me make sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's interesting visuals for him to draw.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was also limiting the number of characters like that, so that we could really focus.
[SPEAKER_01]: That he could really pick some and focus on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the audience could relate to, and just giving him space.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think, yes, you have an unlimited budget in terms of like, as Mark was saying, like, yeah, in terms of like, you can put as many spaces as you want in a panel or whatever,
[SPEAKER_01]: You only have a certain number of pages, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And every light of dialogue, like not only, you know, it's not only the pages.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it literally covers the art.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the first things I learned.
[SPEAKER_01]: writing a comment and it's like I remember just like the first editor I ever had was just like you know just pointed it out to me that like yeah you're just like it's something that doesn't you know somebody can talk as much as they wanted a movie or an intelligence show and you can turn the volume off but you're not missing you're not missing the scenery and it's like oh artists are working really hard on this and many readers are coming just for the art or largely for the art so you know we're trying to get out of the you know I'm trying to get out of the
[SPEAKER_01]: give them things that are interesting to draw or not just two people talking in a room, which might play on TV, but it's just not gonna play it on it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to take a little bit of a swarve and take it way, way back to talk about, oh well, I'd love to hear from you guys, what was your formative piece or pieces of sci-fi?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what is the first thing that you remember where you felt like, oh, I love,
[SPEAKER_05]: this is genre in general that really just sold you on it, um, mad Arnold, maybe just to start with you.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why I keep saying you're full name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it was when I thought that I could use my Jedi powers to like pull stuff to me, uh, trust, really, really hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought I saw like a flashlight move.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I figured out the secret to life.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just got to believe in these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Star Wars was very formative for a lot of young kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was the first time I saw that there was something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, a lot of my life is from a science perspective too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was really the early Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I got a more sophisticated palette, it was alien and played runner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all those that we've mentioned here,
[SPEAKER_02]: I just got so enraptured with those worlds and those places and times, it's addictively so.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, Facebook Star Wars was probably my very first touch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mark S. What about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Star Wars for me as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe just generationally, it hit me at the right moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just a lot of things that maybe you might not think of as sci-fi, but just again, it just happened to grow up at a time where, you know, GI Joe and Transformers.
[SPEAKER_01]: GI Joe always had, I love the way that it was, and when I'm talking about GI Joe, I'm talking about the cartoon, but largely I'm talking about,
[SPEAKER_01]: Larry Hamas run on it, and just as a writer in general, it was the first like, oh continuing story I saw, and it felt more adult, like it was yes, it was a kid's toy, but it felt very adult, but it also just was felt very grounded, but with this science fiction element to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you wouldn't call it a sci-fi book, but there were sci-fi elements in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that carried through and even later on I would read Tom Clancy and that's not sci-fi but like and you know I'm maybe not as much a fan of this work as I was when I was younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah and then again like I think somehow I was too young I both like I watched playrunner and alien when I was too young.
[SPEAKER_01]: and same thing with reading your own answer but I think some of those things stuck in my brain and when I think of like, oh, the things that I aspire to, those are, that's like a sort of holy Trinity for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Mark G, what about you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I, I had to give the an order to answer, but it is the truth Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was six years old when I saw it and it just
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, before Star Wars, there were comic books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it was actually really comic books that introduced me to science fiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and sometimes it was like, you know, sort of a hard science fiction, in the sense like it was a sci-fi tale.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like the Fantastic Four is, you know, has a lot of elements of science fiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Superman, you know, Superman's whole origin story, very sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I think comic books influenced me greatly.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like comics like I start wars in so universal but you can only watch it so many times before it's just tattooed on your brain and comics were always the like fresh injection of like just maximalist ideas every every weekend month.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mark, just to get back to something you're mentioning earlier, your book deals with AI.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there are some realistic aspects, but for the most part, it's sort of like the fantasy ideal of AI that doesn't actually exist in the real world.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just curious, I know this book came out a couple of years ago at this point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Have you had given the backlash against AI if you had any troubles selling this at all?
[SPEAKER_04]: And do you have an AI girlfriend or an ex girlfriend?
[SPEAKER_01]: but I'm gonna, first of all, I'll say, no, I haven't had backlash.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was worried about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually worried about because we're dealing with the CDC like that there'd be pandemic stuff and that people are gonna think I'm an anti-vaxxer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, don't don't don't come to me first, like don't come to me for like medical advice anyway, but I get all the advice from comic books.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a lot of follow-up questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll help you with the hang out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think with AI, I think the main thing has just been, when I started, I wrote that book, wrote the pilot with pre-pandemic, started that the comment was written the summer of 2020, mainly when I wrote it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just is putting the pandemic stuff aside.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy how much AI has changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel good, sometimes I feel like, well,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if in our lifetime we'll see a sentient AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I did in a certain level, that's, you know, that goes back to, you know, I feel like Frankenstein might be the first science fiction story, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, idea of like some brings something to life that you no longer have control of.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a universal timeless thing, but it's something that I thought a lot about it's just like, oh my god, and just a few years since I wrote it, and even the few years since it came out from, the couple years it came out, digitally coming down with your
[SPEAKER_01]: A.I.
[SPEAKER_01]: has just and what I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: A.I.
[SPEAKER_01]: has changed so much like from
[SPEAKER_01]: the little delivery carts that go around and seeing Waymo, which is the driverless arthing, which yeah, still freaks me out when I don't see somebody in the in the driver's seat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but more importantly, again, having, you know, having my friends who are artists, you know, have to really have the fear of God put into that and because their work is literally being stolen by things like mid-Journey and all these other stuff where, you know, it's a whole other ethical debate, but it's like
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you mention the girlfriend thing, it's one of the big influences on it, to me, it was the movie her.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a big show in the movie, and I remember thinking, you know, I was like, this is much more terrifying to me than, like, you know, a generator judgment day scenario.
[SPEAKER_01]: In part because I'd feel like, oh, I've much more fear of my heart being broken than, I guess, nuclear Armageddon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you see myself being,
[SPEAKER_01]: self-getting taken, you know, like maybe not right now, but in like five years, like not that I'm see would be seeking that out, but I feel like, oh, like it's I've been scammed by, you know, by humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, now, you know, I'll, I could just do the same thing in just my heart getting broken.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's no.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's so sweet and it's very funny that your biggest dystopian fear is getting your heart broken.
[SPEAKER_04]: Your coke bottle, bar mitzvah, heart broken.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to take a little bit of a swerve.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is only tangentially related in terms of being sci-fi, but Mark G just because it's top of mind.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'll give a spoiler warning here for anybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a little round the way for the TV show piecemaker.
[SPEAKER_05]: But recently on the TV show piecemaker, they revealed this big twist that everybody's freaking out about.
[SPEAKER_05]: where they revealed Earth X. We were talking about it in our patreon discord a little bit and people were wondering because they guess this week As this weeks ago on the show We were wondering how does everybody know Earth X?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand this is such a deep cut comic book thing and I immediately said the hourovers That's how people know it.
[SPEAKER_05]: They know it from crisis
[SPEAKER_05]: I legitimately think this is not like blowing up your spot or anything is blood of the best comic book movies of all time.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just very much.
[SPEAKER_05]: So good.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I know it's an individual episode to TV.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: So this is a roundabout way of saying like, what do you think it is that is so sticky, not just about crisis on Earth X that clearly had captured all of these fans for years from now, but the concept of Earth X in general?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think the answer is pretty simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're living on our effects now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that resonates with people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny, like I just watched downfall.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you ever see those Hitler reacts movies, clips on YouTube, it's from this movie downfall.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the
[SPEAKER_00]: the whole idea of, you know, sort of either the rise or fall of fascism, depending upon what my mood is, you know, is I think very, it's very resonant right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably more resonant, you know, now than at any point in my life, in all of our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's why it's re-entred the zeitgeist.
[SPEAKER_05]: And what do you think it is specifically about crisis on Earth, X, that worked as a crossover?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole, I feel like the story certainly worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, all those episodes, those crossovers really came down to the directors that we hired.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get a bad cut or if I get a bad cut of crossover
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a real bummer because it's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much you can do to try to fix it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every director just knocked it out of the park with with Christ's nerve effects.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think also the other thing that was, you know, sort of, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think successful about is, is that it wasn't the first time we were what I call show agnostic, you know, where we were doing, you know, the crossover with that regard to this is the flash episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the legends episode, this is the the arrow episode, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: We took the sort of show-agnostic approach of invasion, which was the previous year's crossover, and just pushed it all the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got rid of the title treatments for each individual show, and we did a specific crisis in our effects logo, as I recall, it felt like it was all designed to link together.
[SPEAKER_00]: like one big massive movie and I think you know I hadn't seen that try it on television before or since for that matter I was just very enamored with the way all the pieces get
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_05]: To loop it back to the sci-fi books, though, and start to wrap this up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: You all have a ton of different projects that you're working on.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'd love to hear about them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anything you want to plug?
[SPEAKER_05]: Anything people should be checking out for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Matt, what do we start with here?
[SPEAKER_05]: And stuff that I'm working on, like, currently developing anything you want to plug.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, Outer Lands probably is the biggest thing I should be trying to do today.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've got a series that NBC called No Wear, based on a short story of mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's been a little bit for this season as well as Eden at Fox for this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a reimagining of Dracula for Amazon as an animated series, also an development, also in January.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's also kind of like putting around up there.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, these are kind of things I've been busy with right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mark S, what about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, obviously so boxed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really proud of Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy did a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth it for the art alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to plug two other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've another look from that key coming out in early November.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you can preorder now, it's called Circus Maximus, and it's a high set nature realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a five or two limited series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Georgia, Montreal is the artist from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, an actual Roman, Italian who lives in Rome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just completely, we give it completely third other genre that I'm working in.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I did a book that I kick started with Chris Anderson called chaotic control, which is a combination of a fantasy comic, and it also has a Dungeons & Dragons adventure module in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you like nerd stuff, you're getting kind of a lot of that packed into one.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you just Google Cat, I can control Mark Sabel.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll find that you can still get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Dr. Kitten, another place is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mark G, what about you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, I got this gun at the side of my system and make sure I get it in under the wire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Sabel, I love your comic book, My Girl's Mark Sabel.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have two more books coming out through comicsology, but they're not announced yet, so I don't feel like I can plug them yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still publishing and writing, Spider-Man and Wolverine for Marvel as well as Star Wars Jedi Knights for Marvel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually here in the offices of a new animated project that I'm doing with Netflix, but again, has it been announced so much for my
[SPEAKER_00]: plate right now is stuff that just has it within us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a futurist, you're a futurist, yeah it's like I'm just I'm just working on stuff, especially with animation like it's gonna be a while before anyone comes out, you know my wife and I are working on an animated pilot of the you know really beloved franchise which is really exciting and you know very soon I'll start writing the script for the feature version
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you so much for coming on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you talking about sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody should check out all of these books on Comicsology because all of them are awesome for real.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you guys so much.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll see you in the future.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for all your great work.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm good at interest.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm good at interest.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm great at interest.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sounds like another kick-outro right there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Have a good night.
[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, there you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will plug these books again, even though they just did, but Matt Arnold, you can check out Outerlands and Eden, Mark Sable, Boxed, and Mark Guggenheim, the Adventures of Elizabeth, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Adventures of Elysses, but Ark, issued number five, is out today, so you could read the whole series.
[SPEAKER_05]: There, though she wasn't able to make it on, to check out Taki Summa's alienated, also on-time
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you to all those guys and now thank you to you guys for coming up with your our next section It's our favorite section.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is audience question.
[SPEAKER_05]: My question is was there a drink?
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought Straybowl it was bugles.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it up now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Great team up Pete Wait for some questions.
[SPEAKER_05]: Great team drop that T.P
[SPEAKER_05]: uh... while we wait for questions straight bullet aka bread macros a case for a bullies thank you there go my god i thought i like the story bullies become his given name and we sort of new story of the first question sometimes i can't restrain uh... in any case every week of the show he other creates or curates a drink for us this weekend a sci-fi drink which is is that a silo in your pocket
[SPEAKER_05]: or you just happy to be me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I see you did there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Blue look all side by drinks or blue as we've seen in 40 years of television and yeah, and I Five went to the Star Wars Cantina and they do a big away out of the way to be like it's crazy how this drink is looks right And it's really just like tequila and sugar thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, is any of that stuff good?
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't been there and I'm just sort of like I don't believe that any of it is like wow this Well, it tastes like I'm on tattooing
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me say, I guess I've never talked about it on here, that place is a blast.
[SPEAKER_04]: We went, my sister is like a Disney head, and she booked everything in for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we had a 11 AM reservation at the Cantina.
[SPEAKER_04]: We had four kids with us.
[SPEAKER_04]: My wife and I and her and her guy, and we drank, you only get 45 minutes there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we sucked down three cocktails.
[SPEAKER_04]: We threw very expensive.
[SPEAKER_04]: But they were good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of them were a little like this was trying a little hard, but in general they are good cocktails, and there's a droid DJing the entire time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, do you say droid on the wall?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Segway is nicely into our first question here from Shrekler.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you go back in time and throw your younger self a huge party, what would the theme be?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I see the answer is DJ Brobot party the entire time.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that would be...
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean this is this is an interesting question because like it's a very much a like if I knew then what I know now When I was younger if I had a question would you try to inject some knowledge into my team would be 20 25 sports scores
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, very specific, sci-fi, You know, I think if I was going to do a theme, it would probably be, I throw myself like a Labyrinth party or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Labyrinth, who?
[SPEAKER_04]: Very like sort of sexual.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sexual, sexual, Sexual, younger self-party, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, really good.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a tough one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I... I never had any real themed parties.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's a more now thing to do for kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know, but if you could go back in time and throw a younger, you're younger, so I guess it would just be like Because I got beaten up for wearing nerdy things.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be like it's gonna be okay, party like yeah You've got torn apart for this stuff, but eventually people think it's cool So it'll be worth it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you could go around and beat up all the bullies with like a gang.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that would be the best Like it's a podcasting you do the old uh, you know
[SPEAKER_03]: reverse, uh, uh, uh, like forgot the name of the villain from, uh, forgot the call.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was just going to say I was going to take back my 20, 20 final words.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was going to say I was going to take back my 20, 20 final words.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to say I was going to take back my 20, 20 final words.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was going to say I was going to take back my 20 final words.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to say I was going to take back my 20 final words.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to take back my
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking about before I travel back and talk to you myself a party.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not just going to travel back and time and throw myself a party without planning.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've been like the bills are great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_04]: It'd be amazing if you set yourself up to become fab as he rich but then couldn't figure out gambling.
[SPEAKER_05]: I definitely can't.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stock prices.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like I don't know what this means.
[SPEAKER_05]: No boy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I am not financially stable, linkedin.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're currently in the herd.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, linkedin, you let's say.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you need help?
[SPEAKER_05]: They were gonna give you a job, but then they took it away after that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Straight ball that says, in the age of digital comics, what is collecting?
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like this is a very specific reference to a discussion we've been having in our Patreon discord, just and you're about to jump in.
[SPEAKER_04]: John, I think you're collecting clusters.
[SPEAKER_04]: You collect them in your brain.
[SPEAKER_04]: You collect the stories in your brain.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where I keep the old spank bank?
[SPEAKER_04]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, this is the, uh, it's a story bank.
[SPEAKER_04]: Pete?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay, my bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a bank bank because you're full of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've talked about this a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I know he's got a big joky here, but they've found pretty definitively that people reading digital comics doesn't cut down on buying of comics and I assume that doesn't
[SPEAKER_05]: It's true though, like I don't think it's clearly been applicable the same way it's the music industry Which was decimated and digital But for comics people will read stuff digitally and they'd be like, oh, I want to own that and read it again and put it on my shelf Or they'll read like the first six issues on Marvel and limit it and then be like, oh, I'll pick up the next trade or something like that
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I think part of it is that the comic book industry is much smaller than the music industry, so there's less of a stretch there, but it hasn't affected things at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me say as someone who I don't really have as much physical media of comics these days, it has made me collect more original art and things like that, which is just more exciting from a going to cons and getting stuff, point of view.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Stan Lee says speaking of cons are you all going to New York Comic-Con is the cons still fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am going to New York Comic-Con.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could tell from your t-shirt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, New York Comic-Con t-shirt on.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a New York Comic-Con 2012.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what are your t-shirts?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, remember those who are happier times?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, same, everything's the same people, you think about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think the Khan's fun, it's, you know, there's a lot of people there.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's probably more people, and so that it's a little more congested maybe, but I think Artis Alley is just as fun as it always is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Artis Alley is a blast.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we, I will also be there.
[SPEAKER_05]: I actually don't know what days at this point, but I think all four days, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I will be there for sure Thursday Friday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and Pete, you are not coming because I am somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to be somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, yeah, you should try to as someone shortly put it out Alex, you should try to get a job at the New York Comic Con.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll just do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll press the flash.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yes, I'll just back up Artis Sally.
[SPEAKER_05]: We talked about this last year, but it hasn't really felt like this before last year.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm hoping it's like that this year.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was its own mini convention.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was that huge.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's where all the comic book people were hanging out because it was like a weird basement of the convention center.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it was so
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a fun time.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a little paddocks looking at my schedule, because they also amped up the amount of panels and interesting panels this year.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I feel like the past honestly, like since the beginning of COVID, and even a little bit before that, like it's sort of...
[SPEAKER_05]: Peter down a little bit, sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, what the final, I know, I heard a little bit about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is something people say.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, it was really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not, that's not it.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, that's a freeze that I used to mean.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't use things that hurt your feelings, guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: So please stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that one is genuinely an accident.
[SPEAKER_05]: It really was.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I really was.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you could come up with a hurtful thing that Alex down or Justin down means feel free.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just in time, I get that a lot and it makes me so mad.
[SPEAKER_05]: And people keep coming out to me and say, Alex, cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not what they say.
[SPEAKER_05]: In any case, the amount of paddles have really decreased in recent years, last year, even I was like, oh, I don't have too much that I need to or want to go to.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this year, my schedule is just like, if I actually go to everything, I'm not going to stop from like 10 a.m.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what do I interview Alex and interview us we're going to be on top of this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll tell you about the later But yeah, start to set up interviews everybody's also.
[SPEAKER_05]: I will say running very late this god like They admire the paddles probably a month and a half ago and every single thing is like yeah, I get back to me later and now it's starting to
[SPEAKER_05]: The patent has started to set it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, do we have any other questions?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't believe we do So it is time to move to our next section which is trivia and for that we're going to turn over to Pete the Pay All right, thanks for talking back to the lovely audience.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an opportunity to win $25 $3 to Midtown Comics online.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is gonna $25.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why wouldn't you go to a company shop?
[SPEAKER_03]: and get some comics, I don't know, maybe if you get digital comics, you just don't care about print comics.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, well that's what we're part of the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've always been part of the problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: We can go get a funkle pop.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, David Quintley says B. All right, yes, we don't have a pop.
[SPEAKER_05]: Funko.
[SPEAKER_05]: You might even be able to get two for 25 bucks, honestly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's see if I can.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see you could tell me those things cost almost any number would be like checks out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, taste trivia is about the Department of Truth and a small nod to the legend, Terence Stamp, RIP General's Odd.
[SPEAKER_03]: Please listen to all three options before making your selection.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Question number one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Almost fell for it, Alex.
[SPEAKER_05]: I almost did.
[SPEAKER_05]: He almost got me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you guys any thoughts on the Peter gallery or can we move on?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, just go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: And excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: Peter.
[SPEAKER_05]: Peter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Question number one, who puts out this amazing comic department of truth?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it A, image?
[SPEAKER_03]: B, what do your initial stand for?
[SPEAKER_03]: Please be work appropriate.
[SPEAKER_03]: C, B, J, Parker.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nice, but I didn't even realize Terran's stamp died.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
[SPEAKER_04]: When did he die?
[SPEAKER_04]: August 17th.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he started dying a little earlier, but...
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to say July, but you know what I saw the other day.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to call out the paper or anything, but somebody posted Josh Hartnet in car accident.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's terrible.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I clicked open the article and it was like five paragraphs of how he got into this car accident before they got to like, it happened yesterday.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was sent to the hospital just in case that he's already back on set and is fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was like,
[SPEAKER_05]: What are we, what are we doing here?
[SPEAKER_05]: You fell for the clickbait, bro.
[SPEAKER_05]: I fell for the clickbait.
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate that anybody does that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you're the mom of Josh Harden.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they know.
[SPEAKER_03]: They love, you love Josh and you're going to click on anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: All I'm saying is like,
[SPEAKER_05]: click on anything Alex of and you can say Josh Hartnet okay after car crash versus Josh Hartnet in car crash, which is David Denny and this ran just right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want people to write articles that say Josh Hartnet alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: question you can still give up on us we need you to write a so the story about life stops please do you guys want to hear about some other headlines I read are they a hard day based if you have any more hard yes yes yes yes I said a big god quickly oh my god really good thank you man it can tell me here things that Alex are but there's old man's album always click it on this thing the other day all right we've got
[SPEAKER_03]: who writes this tripped out but super enjoyable comic department and truth is it a j-d-j-t-t-4 b okay then spends uh what is your last name again see Spencer k-d-n
[SPEAKER_05]: by here let's just take a look at this for a second okay so take a look you're just searching for Josh Hartnett here right okay Alex is being done like a citizen journalist right now I'm saying it's like look at these headlines you have Josh Hartnett hospitalized after car crash with police vehicle while in Canada filming Netflix series
[SPEAKER_05]: If you use those many words, and you're have lied, what if there could be is okay?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or suddenly we can have a TMZ.
[SPEAKER_04]: See all the wreckage.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not a thing that TMZ's up to no good.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to give a shout out though to USA today who says Josh Hartnett back to work after car accident that caused significant damage to the employee at significant I think they're talking significant damage to the car so you know what I take it back I take it this is oh wow yeah that's a car.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks a way he's backing up USA I'm sorry we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for the conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Question with anitarian people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Out of the three of us and Before you start Alex, yes, this is still very trivia.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who loves department of truth the most is it age A, T says B, yeah, no one saw that coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're the shocking favorite color reveal fill.
[SPEAKER_03]: You non creative mother fucker.
[SPEAKER_03]: See Philip Green
[SPEAKER_05]: But looking at all these headlines, they're all just Josh Hartnett hospitalized after scary car crash with cops.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Josh Hartnett's underrated 18-year-old vampire movie is coming to peacock next month.
[SPEAKER_05]: What about that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what it is?
[SPEAKER_05]: This is actual trivia.
[SPEAKER_05]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you say of a squintly that is that the one he was hospitalized for David Don't know this is actual trivia versus whatever the fuck pizza doing
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh man, trivia is over.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh man.
[SPEAKER_05]: I bet short.
[SPEAKER_05]: Shorkeler can figure out what this is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here I'll give it to you guys again.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's an IMDB headline.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says Josh Hartnets underrated 18 year old vampire movie is coming to peacock next month.
[SPEAKER_05]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, of course it's three days of night.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes!
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Reload.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so weird.
[SPEAKER_05]: It felt really weird to be doing trivia relevant to the podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, case you are wondering all of the, uh, see answers were referenced to the 2011 thriller and sometimes rom-com, adjustment bureau.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I already gave a shout to General Zod.
[SPEAKER_03]: So go after yourself.
[SPEAKER_05]: Never.
[SPEAKER_05]: At least I could travel back in time and throw myself in that party.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the theme.
[SPEAKER_05]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: I believe we have an audience question about whether or not we would go back based on piecemaker, whether we would go to another dimension and have sex with ourselves.
[SPEAKER_05]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that was in the discord actually.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Great.
[SPEAKER_05]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: And real quick.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pete?
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe just a little kissing.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: You want a kiss yourself?
[SPEAKER_05]: With tongue or without tongue?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I mean, just gotta say hello, see what I'm really gonna see.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna call my shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'd say as I take myself out to dinner first and see where things go.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: What did you do on top?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pete, anything you wanna have?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what I would like to I would like to circle back to something that I was thinking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yes Star Wars was the big sci-fi thing, but my first Star Wars or my first sci-fi encounter was Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's a sci-fi blew my mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good call.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mine was Kurt Vonnegut's writing, but... Yeah, you are a Kurt Vonnegut.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Chiker's Guide is right after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I found it interesting with our guests that one of them said it was fiction first when they were writing.
[SPEAKER_04]: The other science, and then Mark Sabel in the middle was like, I am a sci-fi character.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So actually I'm living in a sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a government futurist.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, what the fuck is that there's new comic books coming out tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about what we're looking forward to, Pete!
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, there's uh, there's a lot of great comics that I'm looking forward to.
[SPEAKER_03]: I tell you what, uh, back at old number 12.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this continues to be such a badass story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the, you know, it was Justin calls it the mind-humping where you get inside the characters had a little bit kind of, um, words, you know, kind of good to understand how they think, uh, Starship Godzilla.
[SPEAKER_03]: You had me at Godzilla excited to see what this is about, and I'll save adventure time for, uh, Justin.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, adventure time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I do like that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to shout out the author and mortal number one from image comics by Frank Marby Harry That book looks really are really interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: It feels topical based on what I read about it in a cool way something maybe a difficult topic to write about But I am excited to see if they can pull it off over there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm gonna shout out a little corner of the universe of the Dark Horse Comics universe I've been really liking minor threats.
[SPEAKER_04]: The last devil left alive.
[SPEAKER_04]: Number one written by Patton Oswell and Jordan Bloom that has been Such a fun little pocket Yeah, and they're making a lot of books in that world.
[SPEAKER_04]: So shout.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we pocket Of course, we are kicking off the age of revelation tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_04]: So
[SPEAKER_05]: It has begun a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking forward to on top of what you guys said I'll give a shout out to absolute evil number one from DC comics This has been hyped up a lot bringing together the villains of the absolute universe I am looking forward to adventure time the bubline at college special that is a one-shot
[SPEAKER_05]: written and drawn by Caroline Cash, I didn't say, I didn't say it, I didn't say it, I didn't say it, yeah, you should check it out, and then yeah, I think that's probably it, you guys talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it, the only thing I ever cared about, Alex doesn't even like them, any comments, yeah, Alex doesn't even want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, yeah, that is it for this of a show couple people.
[SPEAKER_05]: We want to thank what I think Matt Arnold for coming out Yeah, how they're lads and eat in Mark Sabel for talking about Bob's Mark cooking.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm for talking about the others of you.
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